RNZ: The Unthinkable

Almost exactly a year after the birth and death of their first daughter, Wren, Kate Gudsell and Sam Arcus welcome Ralph into their family.

Kate and Sam are pregnant again. Another girl. But this pregnancy comes with all the baggage from the first. In this episode, Kate and Sam prepare for the arrival of Frida

How do you go on after you've lost a child? Kate and Sam and three other mum's who also lost babies describe different grieving processes, the deep lows and the things that lightened the burden.

Kate and Sam lost their beautiful baby girl, Wren just six days after she was born. Their grief is shared, but their experiences quite different. This episode covers the loss of a baby through a father's eyes.

Kate Gudsell and Sam Arcus had a trouble-free pregnancy, but a thunderstorm was quite literally brewing as Kate went into labour. This is a very personal story of grief and loss, but most importantly, love.

The Unthinkable is a new podcast series by Susie Ferguson, which opens the door on an issue that affects hundreds of families every year, and yet we struggle to speak about it.