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While the number of PhD graduates per year is rising worldwide, the number of proper long-term or permanent positions in academia isn't. This leaves PhDs with ever decreasing chances of staying in academia. And it means that increasing numbers PhDs stay postdocs for a decade or longer, only to have to leave after all. Listen to the Full Conversation on Patreon! Amanda (center in the picture), Cleyde (left in picture), and Ian (right in picture) are three former life science postdocs who left academia between 2015 and 2017. When transitioning, they felt isolated from their peer groups who were predominantly academics. They found each other on Twitter seeking advice and got to talk about the challenges one faces when switching careers. So they decided to start the Recovering Academic podcast, which just entered its third season. There is a lot of information about how to write a resume and other more technical advise. The Recovering Academic podcast shares experiences with these practical issues. They speak, for example, about networking and resume writing in their episodes. But what really brought them together was the emotional struggle of leaving the Ivory Tower. So they speak with their guests about the experience of leaving, the reactions of academic peers. The feelings of failure. This is a "crossover" episode of Recovering Academic and Science for Societal Progress. Besides talking about how Amanda, Cleyde and Ian met and why they decided to create Recovering Academic, I wanted to know what they themselves learned from doing the podcast, and which episode they liked the most. We talked about my story, too, which you can listen to in their version of this episode. Recovering Academic WebisteRecovering Academic rotating curation twitter account: @RecoveringAcadAmanda Welch, Scientific Dispatches Consulting, @LadyScientistCleyde Helena, @DoctorPMSIan Street, @IHStreetmentioned episode "Finding Your Fungus"
Welcome back to the Season 3 of our Recovering Academic Podcast! We missed you, and hope you missed us as well :)" For this first episode of this season, the recovering trio discuss a very important topic: NETWORKING But what is networking? And how do you do the networking as a recovering academic? And more importantly, how do you get into the headspace of networking? What is your ultimate goal with networking? "[Networking] It's not who you know, it's not what you know, but who knows what you know" – @Doctor_PMS Interesting to notice the differences between the takes on networking as an introvert (like Amanda and Ian) or an extrovert (like Cleyde). There are many 'alternative' forms of networking that doesn't require you actively talking to people. "I try to think about a connection of how do I think I can help them out – @LadyScientist" See if you can spot the moment when Ian's cat interrupted the discussion! "Remember n equals 1 is success" – @IHStreet Mentioned in This Episode Beyond the bench podcast SC 04: Engineering a Career with Family: Dr. GDale Wesson from @DrQualls Networking event mentioned by Amanda was by Dr. Thierry Dubroca, you can see the slides here and contact him at dubroca@magnet.fsu.edu Recovering Academic series 1, episode 8 on Linkedin Adam's Rib Co Dave Shiffman's (@WhySharksMatter) tweet on how many faculty jobs people applied to before getting one Photo Credit: Chris Potter (www.ccPixs.com).
In this week's episode, Ian and Amanda interview Cleyde to get the in-depth story of her experience as a recovering academic. Cleyde's Advice: Have a Plan Photo by: Steven Johnson Cleyde talks about her reasons for leaving academia, including her relationship with academia. She also talks about what her goals are for her career. We also briefly discuss if it's possible to control your productivity—that is to avoid having 100 publications in one year and only one the next. Cleyde also brings up a very important point about how your job needs to fit your personality and how your work environment can affect you. Her best advice? Have a plan before leaving if you can. If you know that you want to leave academia (or are even just considering the possibility), start planning as soon as you can. This allows you to find out all the options (there are a lot!) for PhDs and former academics. Mentioned in This Episode The Year Of Albert Einstein: His discoveries in 1905 would forever change our understanding of the universe. Amid the centennial hoopla, the trick is to separate the man from the math Zadra, Dan. 5: Where Will You Be Five Years from Today? 2009. Compendium, Inc. Diversity Journal Club. The premise of this journal club is to discuss articles and blog posts about Diversity in academia. We choose the paper on Mondays and the discussion happens on Mondays at 2pm EST, every other week, under #DiversityJC.
This season we will interview other recovering academics, so it's only fair that we turn the mic on ourselves first. In this episode, Amanda is interviewed by Ian and Cleyde. Revelations in Amanda's Career... She talks about the realization that money can be exchanged for goods and services, making the leap into self-employment, and the difficulty in overcoming her introverted ways. She talks a lot about how most people are happy to help you or at least talk to you about their work. Mentioned in this episode Scientific Dispatches Consulting LLC
We're back! This season, we will interview academics and recovering academics. We're starting this season off with interviewing the hosts of Hello PhD, Joshua Hall and Daniel Arneman. Hello PhD and the Recovering Academic share a common desire to talk about what no one talks about during your science training. We both hope that by talking about these issues out loud that people who feel isolated realize that they're not alone. When in Rome... To make our guests feel at home, we brought the Hello PhD tradition of reviewing a beer on air to our podcast. We had to find a beer that was available in four different cities in three different states. The Ballast Point Brewing Company Unfiltered Sculpin' Extra Hopped IPA (limited edition!) was up to that challenge. It's definitely hoppy, but delicious. It also had a sextant on the label, which was appropriate for our conversation. How do you know when to break up with academia? We invited Josh and Dan to talk on our podcast after Cleyde heard Episode 75: When Research Sucks. She asked (made) Amanda and Ian listen to the same episode. We all started thinking about how do you know when your research just sucks right now or if it's a sign that you should leave academia? How do you deal with the emotional aspects of leaving academia? Dara Wilson-Grant answers in Episode 27 of Hello PhD. Academia can still be the right match for you. One way to tell? If you still have the enthusiasm. To hear what that sounds like, the Tap Root podcast has a great example with Siobhan Braybrook. Sometimes your career path isn't a straight forward exercise. Sometimes it's more wayfinding than map-orienting.