White On White

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In 2018, I had the pleasure of hearing Mark speak at the Revolutionary Love conference in NYC. The way he broke down and broke open our country’s founding documents to demonstrate the inherent racism embedded in them blew me away. I knew I had to have him on the podcast. In part one of the this 2-part interview, Mark takes a good, long look at our nation’s history and heroes and deconstructs them so it’s impossible to continue the practice of not-knowing that white people cling to. Also in this episode, Aisha + Kerry talk about Bernie Sanders, how Martin Luther King’s famous speech has been appropriated by whiteness, and of course, they giggle.

Is being called a racist the worst thing that can happen to you? In this episode, Kerry talks with Kathy Khang, author of Raise Your Voice, about how white people can press through the discomfort of racial conversations.

Can a queer, non-binary transgender Latinx public theologian and a yoga-pants-wearing white suburban soccer mom actually get along? In our 8th episode, Kerry and Dr. Robyn Henderson-Espinoza proves it's not only possible, but it leads to fascinating conversation, too! Listen in as they talk about how to fall into relationship with people who are different, and about what a radical inclusiveness and justice-oriented world might actually look like. Other topics covered are theological dominance, the stability of whiteness, and what it means to radically flourish. This is one of Kerry's FAVORITE interviews!Meanwhile, Kerry and Aisha talk ecological injustice in between our usual antics.

In this episode, Kerry speaks with Reverend Dr. David N. Moore, author of Making America Great Again:Fairy Tale? Horror Story? Dream Come True? The book, and this conversation, delve into the church's complicity in racist systems, and explore connections with abortion and the NRA -- and how it all connects to Les Miserables. Plus, Aisha and Kerry talk about the Starbucks debacle and more.

In this episode, Kerry speaks with Ben Tapper, writer, speaker, social activist. Faith, healing and social justice are the topics that most invigorate Ben, and the topics he most often speaks and writes about. He hopes to encourage, inspire and challenge those who read or listen. Ben is a co-founder of The Hear Me Project, an initiative designed to foster communication between strangers.

In this episode, Kerry talks with Mason Mennenga, a fellow seminary student and the founder of Religionless Church, about an experience they both had with white fragility and how we, as white people, can combat white supremacy and privilege when it's right in front of us. What does that look like? Who's responsible?

In our 4th episode, Kerry speaks with award-winning journalist-turned-activist Nadine Smith about what it really means to be a white ally, confederate statues, and exploring just how close America's racial history really is. Here's a hint: it's as close as living relatives.Plus, Kerry & Aisha continue their inappropriate banter about multi-tasking with nose rings, working "The Facebook", and more. About Nadine:Nadine Smith is the co-founder and CEO of Equality Florida, the state's largest organization dedicated to ending discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity.A former award-winning journalist turned organizer, Nadine was one of four national co-chairs of the 1993 March on Washington. She was part of the historic oval office meeting between then - President Clinton - the first such meeting between a sitting President and gay community leaders. She served on the founding board of the International Gay and Lesbian Youth Organization, which celebrates 30 years in 2014. She is s a Florida Chamber Foundation Trustee, board member for Green Florida and served on President Obama's National Finance Committee. In 2013, was named one of the the state's "Most Powerful and Influential Women" by the Florida Diversity Council. She was also given the League of Women Voter's Woman of Distinction Award earlier this year. She currently serves on the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights Florida Advisory Committee.She lives in St. Petersburg with her wife Andrea and son Logan.SHOW CREDITS: Host: Kerry ConnellyCo-Host: Aisha IrvisMusic: Humble Down – White on WhiteWritten, arranged, produced, recorded, and mixed by: Jeff GaynorVocals: Kim Davidson, Samantha Farrell, and Ophelia SmithSolo vocal: Ophelia SmithPercussion and handclaps: Jeff Gaynor

In this episode, retired police officer and political candidate Lisa Boeving-Learned talks about the history of racism in policing, how we can help police officers be better, and how to bring humanity back into the dignified work of policing. As a retired officer, Lisa has great compassion for police officers, but she also has insight into how systemic racism infiltrates the profession, and how tolerance of the bad apples feeds the racist system -- which endangers lives both black and blue. Lisa supports Black Lives Matter because she recognizes that there is a serious problem. She's also got some serious solutions. This is one of the most important episodes yet. Plus, Aisha and I talk about little Anglo Saxons and the land of Caucasia in our typical irreverent way.

In this episode of White on White, Kerry speaks with Carla Ewert about whiteness, hierarchies, and how white people -- white women specifically -- can work to de-center whiteness, so that whiteness is no longer the "normal" against which everything else is measured. Plus, more irreverence from Kerry and Aisha. 

In our first episode, Kerry speaks with Carolyn Helsel, author of Anxious to Talk About It: Helping White Christians Talk Faithfully About Racism.  Plus, meet co-host Aisha and listen in as she and Kerry talk about The Race Card, token black friends, and all the uncomfortable things.