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No, Thucydides did not say that! Historian Neville Morley explores the origins of misquotations and misattributions.

Neville Morley


    • Jun 9, 2023 LATEST EPISODE
    • infrequent NEW EPISODES
    • 29m AVG DURATION
    • 10 EPISODES


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    Thucydiocy Episode 10: Vines, Olives, Barbarism and Civilisation

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 9, 2023 26:19


    "The peoples of the Mediterranean began to emerge from barbarism when they learned to cultivate the olive and the vine." Well, itĀ could have come from Thucydides' account of the early development of Greece, but it doesn't; why do all the wine writers think it does, then?

    Thucydiocy Episode 9:Keeping Feasts and Reprimanding Friends

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 21, 2022 33:09


    Who knew that Thucydides had wise words to say about the duty to call out your friends when they're out of order, or to support the Christian condemnation of public festivals?

    Thucydiocy Episode 8: The Tyranny Athens imposed...

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 28, 2022 34:33


    ...on others, it eventually imposed on itself." A key quote for journalist Chris Hedges in analysing the present state of the USA - but if it's not actually Thucydides (who never wrote about the rule of the Thirty Tyrants in Athens), who was it?

    Thucydiocy Episode 7: Punish False Accusers...

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2022 33:18


    "You should punish those who commit crimes in the same manner as those who accuse falsely" - which doesn't actually make much sense if you think about it, quite apart from the fact that there's no trace of this idea in Thucydides.

    Thucydiocy Episode 6: Justice will not come to Athens...

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2022 30:38


    ...until those who are not injured are as outraged as those who are. Thucydides? Ben Franklin? Socrates? No, it's someone much more interesting: the sixth-century BCE Athenian poet and statesman Solon. Never heard of him? This is why you should...

    Thucydiocy Episode 5: Hope is Expensive

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2020 16:49


    "Hope is an expensive commodity. It makes better sense to be prepared." A topical quote for a time of global pandemic - and at least half of it is genuine Thucydides. The other half is arguably more interesting...

    Thucydiocy Episode 4: Teaching by Examples

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2019 33:45


    "History is philosophy teaching by examples." The good news: it's a genuinely ancient line, rather than a modern quote that's been misattributed to Thucydides. The bad news: it's still a misattribution...

    Thucydiocy Episode 3: Manifestations of Power

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 23, 2019 25:20


    "Of all manifestations of power, restraint impresses men most": not Thucydides, whatever Colin Powell thought - but was it Menander, Quintilian, Proverbs, or the Swami Vivekananda..?

    Thucydiocy Episode 2: Peace and War

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2019 29:01


    'Peace is only an armistice in an endless war.' It's just SO Thucydides, isn't it? Certainly the writers of Wonder Woman thought so, as did Graham Allison, of 'Thucydides Trap' fame. But it isn't...

    Thucydiocy Episode 1: Scholars and Warriors

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 13, 2019 29:17


    'The society that separates its scholars from its warriors...' - not Thucydides, as is often claimed on Twitter, but who is it? Neville Morley investigates, with occasional interruptions from his cats.

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