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Les chemins de la philosophie
À la table des négociations 3/4 : Le négoce... ou la guerre !

Les chemins de la philosophie

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2025 57:31


durée : 00:57:31 - Avec philosophie - par : Géraldine Muhlmann, Nassim El Kabli - Montesquieu voyait dans le commerce un moteur de paix, tandis que Marx y décelait une mécanique d'exploitation. Entre promesse d'harmonie et jeux de pouvoir, la mondialisation ravive ce débat. Faut-il choisir un camp, ou peut-on réinventer le commerce pour qu'il échappe à cette dualité ? - réalisation : Nicolas Berger - invités : Maxence Brischoux Chercheur au centre Thucydide; Isabelle Garo enseignante de philosophie spécialiste de Marx; Céline Spector Philosophe, professeure de philosophie politique à Sorbonne Université

La Loupe
Naissance des épidémies : Athènes et le premier récit (3/5) (rediffusion)

La Loupe

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 19, 2025 13:09


De la peste d'Athènes au Covid, en passant par la grippe espagnole et la variole en Egypte, les pandémies ont bouleversé notre histoire. Vous vous êtes peut-être déjà demandé d'où elles venaient... Nos très lointains ancêtres faisaient-ils eux aussi face à des virus et des bactéries ? Accompagnés du Pr Renaud Piarroux, chef de service à la Pitié Salpêtrière (AP-HP), spécialiste des maladies infectieuses, on se plonge dans l'histoire des épidémies, de la préhistoire à la fin de l'Antiquité. Aujourd'hui, on vous raconte la première épidémie décrite : la peste de Thucydide, à Athènes. Retrouvez tous les détails de l'épisode ici et inscrivez-vous à notre newsletter. L'équipe : Écriture et présentation : Charlotte BarisMontage : Léa BertrandRéalisation : Jules Krot Crédits : INA, HBO, Studiocanal, France 24, Cité des sciences et de l'industrie Musique et habillage : Emmanuel Herschon / Studio Torrent Logo : Anne-Laure Chapelain / Thibaut Zschiesche Pour nous écrire : laloupe@lexpress.fr Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

Chasing Ghosts: An Irregular Warfare Podcast
Ep 060 "The Military Historian's Craft: Past Tense Imperfect"

Chasing Ghosts: An Irregular Warfare Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 17, 2025 51:54


I am an un-credentialed amateur historian who has done very little archive work and lack the substantial infrastructure credentialed historians have to practice their craft. I have debated esteemed historians and won on stage (Daniel Walker Howe looked at my CV and did not prepare) but that doesn't make me better than them.I think my various detours in life mostly outside the formal academy gives me a unique insight into how history works and why I think I am more sober than university historians.I describe some of the reasons I do it and the techniques I employ to get the single most accurate picture of what happened then to determine what's going on now.I am the Smedley D. Butler Fellow for Military Affairs at the Libertarian Institute.Recommended Reading:Mortimer Adler How To Read a BookRobert Strassler The Landmark Xenophon's Hellenika (Landmark Series)Mike Snook How Can Man Die Better: The Secrets of Isandlwana RevealedMike Snook Like Wolves on the Fold: The Defence of Rorke's DriftDavid Stahel Operation Barbarossa and Germany's Defeat in the EastDavid Hackett Fischer Historians' Fallacies : Toward a Logic of Historical ThoughtKeith Windschuttle The Killing of HistoryJohn Burrow A History of Histories: Epics, Chronicles, and Inquiries from Herodotus and Thucydides to the Twentieth CenturyHarry Elmer Barnes A History of Historical WritingUS Army Center of Military HistoryMy SubstackEmail at cgpodcast@pm.me

The More Freedom Foundation Podcast
Trump springs the Thucydides trap

The More Freedom Foundation Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 10, 2025 53:38


The Thucydides Trap is often presented as an iron law of history—an inevitable march toward war between a rising power (China) and an established hegemon (the U.S.). But what if this narrative is more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than a historical certainty? In this episode of The More Freedom Foundation Podcast, Rob and Ruairi take a critical look at the misuse of Thucydides' work, arguing that America resembles imperial Athens far more than it does Sparta. We break down why the "trap" is more of a political talking point than a sound historical analysis and why the real danger lies in how this flawed idea is shaping U.S. policy. Is war with China truly inevitable, or is this just another excuse for endless militarization? Tune in for a deep dive into history, politics, and the myths that drive global conflict.⁠⁠⁠Patreon⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Books⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Twitter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok

Aspects of History
Putin's War with Philip W Blood

Aspects of History

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 8, 2025 63:29


In 416BC, during the Peloponnesian War between Athens and Sparta, the island of Melos was a non-combatant. Strategically located in the middle of the Aegean, The Athenians arrived and demanded Melos surrender and thus be absorbed into their empire. The Melians refused, and so one of the most famous and influential passages in Thucydides' history as recounted by the delegates of Athens: ‘the strong do what they have the power to do and the weak accept what they have to accept.' We are returning to an era of empires asserting their dominance, and so joining to discuss Ukraine and its implications for Europe is historian and writer Philip Blood, author of Putin's War as we discuss the war over the past three years and what can be done in the future. As a brief little bonus for you, Tessa Dunlop joins to discuss the war as she launches a new podcast blending politics with history. Philip Blood Links Putin's War, Russian Genocide, Edited by Philip Blood Fallout on Ghost - Writings on Ukraine from Philp and team Philip on X Tessa Dunlop Links Where Politics Meets History Aspects of History Links Latest Issue out - Annual Subscription to Aspects of History Magazine only $9.99/£9.99 Ollie on X Aspects of History on Instagram Get in touch: history@aspectsofhistory.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Gresham College Lectures
Unwritten Laws? Legacies from Antigone and Lycurgus - Melissa Lane

Gresham College Lectures

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2025 46:35


Watch the Q&A session here: https://youtu.be/gQdabAQT3JwSophocles' Antigone refers to “unwritten laws,” as does Thucydides' Pericles. From the late fifth century BCE, the idea that laws are more effective when learned by memory and observation than when put into writing, forms a distinctive current in political reflections. Plutarch would even claim that the Spartan lawgiver Lycurgus had prohibited the writing down of his laws. This lecture will present Greek authors' reflections on the interplay between writing and orality remain relevant to debates about ethical formation today. This lecture was recorded by Melissa Lane on 20th February 2025 at Barnard's Inn Hall, London.Melissa Lane is Gresham Professor of Rhetoric.Melissa is also the Class of 1943 Professor of Politics, Princeton University and is also Associated Faculty in the Department of Classics and Department of Philosophy. Previously she was Senior University Lecturer at Cambridge University in the Faculty of History and Fellow of King's College, Cambridge.Having previously held visiting appointments at Harvard, Oxford, and Stanford, she will be Isaiah Berlin Visiting Professor in the History of Ideas in the Faculties of Philosophy and History at Oxford University, and a Visiting Fellow of Corpus Christi College, Oxford, in Michaelmas Term 2024.The transcript of the lecture is available from the Gresham College website: https://www.gresham.ac.uk/watch-now/unwritten-laws-legacies-antigone-and-lycurgusGresham College has offered free public lectures for over 400 years, thanks to the generosity of our supporters. There are currently over 2,500 lectures free to access. We believe that everyone should have the opportunity to learn from some of the greatest minds. To support Gresham's mission, please consider making a donation: https://www.gresham.ac.uk/get-involved/support-us/make-donation/donate-todayWebsite:  https://gresham.ac.ukTwitter:  https://twitter.com/greshamcollegeFacebook: https://facebook.com/greshamcollegeInstagram: https://instagram.com/greshamcollegeSupport Us: https://www.gresham.ac.uk/get-involved/support-us/make-donation/donate-todaySupport the show

Iron Sheep Ministries Inc.
Textual Criticism, The History of our Biblical Text - Part 1 of 2

Iron Sheep Ministries Inc.

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 27, 2025 69:07


In this lecture, Bible teacher Dave Bigler (founder of Iron Sheep Ministries) does a basic overview of the history of our New Testament text. From the spreading of the early Gospel by word of mouth, the writing down of our New Testament text on papyrus to the formation of the New Testament Canon of scripture. All this and more is covered in this one hour lecture.Outline:01:38 - What are the top arguments against the validity of the Bible?03:06 - We live in a culture of doubt. 03:49 - Overview of part 1 and part 2 of this lecture series. 04:44 - Knowledge is our greatest strength amidst a culture of doubt.Jude 10; Rom 12.2; Prov 15.14; Prov 23.12; Prov 1:7Own your knowledge, if you don't know, find out. Pray for a hunger for knowledge.06:59 - The goal: Provide a basic, foundational knowledge of how our New Testament text passed from the pen of its original human author to your hands today. 07:14 - Outline for the lecture08:50 - what does inerrant mean?Define inerrant - without error. God, through the Holy Spirit, inspired the original human author who put pen to paper (quill to papyrus). THAT original also known as the “autograph,” THAT was without error. We do not have any of the original “autographs.” We have copies, that is where Textual criticism comes in. But let me be clear from the start; in all my research, all my schooling, all my studies; as much as I can be sure of anything, I am sure that this is God's perfect word for us today. Mat 24:35 - Heaven and earth will pass away, but my word will never pass away.10:45 - The spreading of the early gospel - an oral traditionThe gospel spread, and the narratives about Jesus' life and teachings were repeated hundreds of thousands of times by reliable eyewitnesses simply by word of mouth.Mat 28.18-20Acts 1.814:34 - When, why, and how was the text written down? When was the New Testament written? 17:18 - Why was there a gap between when Jesus lived and when the New Testament was written?18:10 - Why was the New Testament even written down?19:17 - What is the principle of immanence in Christianity?Heb 1.2, Matt 24.36, Mark 13,3220:44 - How was the New Testament written? Parchment, Papyrus, Manuscripts, etc.22:28 - what is a scribe?23:44 - The Canon of Scripture. Who decided what books would be in the Bible? What does the word Canon mean in relation to the Bible?23:44 - What is Canonization?25:36 - What is Pseudepigrapha?What is the Testament of Hezekiah, the Vision of Isaiah, the Books of Enoch, the Book of Noah, the Testament of Abraham, The Acts of Paul, The Gospel of Thomas, The Epistles of Barnabas?28:26 - Three key criteria for determining what books were in the New Testament Canon:ApostolicityOrthodoxyCatholicity30:48 - What books were questioned?33:14 - Why was the book of James questioned as being part of the New Testament?35:56 - Textual Criticism - the transmission of our text (copies of copies)38:06 - What is a textual variant in the Bible?47:39 - Is the ending of Mark a textual variant? Who wrote the ending to Mark? Mark 16.9-2052:07 - Was the story of the woman caught in adultery in the original New Testament text? John 7.53-8.11 56:17 - how much confidence can we really have in our text today?A look at Greek and Roman Historians 484-140ADHerodotus, Thucydides, Livy, Tacitus, Suetonius01:01:53 - Can we be confident in our New Testament text?01:04:04 - Where to learn more about Textual Criticism? Peter Gurry - interview on ApostleTalk.orgCo-Director - Text and Canon Institute TextandCanon.orgDig super deep w/ those that know - EvangelicalTextualCriticism.blogspot.comCenter for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts csntm.orgBooks: Reinventing Jesus (Daniel Wallace)How We Got the Bible (Neil Lightfoot)Scribes & Scripture (Peter Gurry)Pastor's Guide to the NT (David Bigler)01:06:25 - What will be in Part 2?01:07:05 - In Conclusion: God is sovereign!

Choses à Savoir
La guerre de Troie a-t-elle vraiment eu lieu ?

Choses à Savoir

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 21, 2025 2:24


La guerre de Troie, immortalisée par Homère dans l'Iliade, fascine depuis des siècles. Mais s'agit-il d'un mythe littéraire ou d'un véritable conflit historique ? Depuis longtemps, les historiens et archéologues tentent de démêler la réalité de la légende.Les sources antiques : mythe ou réalité ?L'Iliade, écrite au VIIIe siècle avant J.-C., raconte une guerre entre les Grecs et les Troyens, déclenchée par l'enlèvement d'Hélène par Pâris. Mais ce récit épique, empli d'interventions divines, semble davantage relever de la mythologie que d'un compte rendu historique fiable.Toutefois, d'autres auteurs antiques, comme Hérodote et Thucydide, considéraient que la guerre de Troie avait bien eu lieu, mais sous une forme moins spectaculaire. Ils suggéraient que derrière le mythe, un véritable affrontement avait opposé des cités de la mer Égée à Troie, située en Anatolie (l'actuelle Turquie).Les découvertes archéologiquesAu XIXe siècle, Heinrich Schliemann, un archéologue allemand, met au jour les ruines de Troie sur le site de Hisarlik, en Turquie. Il découvre plusieurs strates de cités superposées, indiquant que Troie a été détruite et reconstruite à plusieurs reprises. Parmi elles, Troie VII, datée autour de 1200 avant J.-C., semble correspondre à la période présumée de la guerre de Troie.Les fouilles ont révélé des traces de destruction par le feu et des armes, suggérant un conflit. Mais qui étaient les assaillants ? Une coalition de cités grecques, comme dans l'Iliade, ou d'autres peuples de la région ? L'absence de preuves directes empêche de trancher définitivement.Une guerre plausible ?À l'époque du Bronze récent, les tensions entre royaumes étaient courantes en Méditerranée. Troie, située près des Détroits des Dardanelles, contrôlait un point stratégique pour le commerce entre l'Europe et l'Asie. Un conflit entre les Mycéniens et les Troyens pour le contrôle de cette route commerciale est donc plausible.Conclusion : mythe ou réalité ?Si l'existence d'une guerre impliquant Troie autour de 1200 avant J.-C. semble probable, rien ne prouve qu'elle s'est déroulée exactement comme dans l'Iliade. L'histoire d'Achille, du cheval de Troie et des dieux reste une légende embellie par les poètes. Mais comme souvent, derrière un mythe, il y a une part de vérité. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

Welcome to Cloudlandia
Ep146: The Tides of Media and Innovation

Welcome to Cloudlandia

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 19, 2025 55:03


In this episode of Welcome to Cloudlandia, We take you through the fascinating evolution of media and communication technologies. We begin by tracing the journey of written communication from ancient Sumerian pictographs to Gutenberg's printing press. The narrative explores how each technological breakthrough transformed our ability to share information, from industrial-era steam presses to the digital revolution sparked by the first email in 1971. Our conversation delves into the parallels between historical technological adaptations and current innovations. We examine the story of a 1950s typesetter transitioning to digital technologies, drawing insights into how professionals navigate significant technological shifts. The discussion introduces the concept of "Casting, not Hiring," emphasizing the importance of finding meaningful experiences and team dynamics in a rapidly changing world. We explore the transformation of media consumption and advertising in the digital age. Traditional media platforms give way to digital giants like Facebook and Google, reflecting broader changes in how we create, distribute, and consume content. The conversation touches on audience dynamics, using examples like Joe Rogan's media presence and Netflix's market evolution to illustrate these shifts. SHOW HIGHLIGHTS In this episode, I explore the historical journey of media and communication, tracing its evolution from ancient scripts to modern digital technologies. I discuss the pivotal role of Gutenberg's printing press in revolutionizing media distribution and how it set the stage for the widespread use of newspapers and books. We delve into the transition from traditional typesetting to digital processes, drawing parallels between past innovations and current advancements in AI. The conversation highlights the importance of curiosity and effective communication in embracing new technologies, emphasizing the idea of "casting" for meaningful experiences rather than traditional hiring. We examine media consumption trends and the impact of big data on advertising, noting the shift from traditional platforms to digital giants like Facebook and Google. Our discussion includes an analysis of the historical impact of communication technologies, referencing figures like Edison and their influence on modern entrepreneurship. The episode concludes with a focus on the value of appreciation and growth, sharing insights on how recognizing value and excellence can lead to professional and personal breakthroughs. Links: WelcomeToCloudlandia.com StrategicCoach.com DeanJackson.com ListingAgentLifestyle.com TRANSCRIPT (AI transcript provided as supporting material and may contain errors) Dean: Mr Sullivan, and how are you? I am wonderful. Welcome to Cloudlandia, you are in the Chicago outpost. I am. Dan: I'm sitting in a very comfortable spot, noise-free. I just had. Have you ever done any IV where they pump you? Up with good stuff. Dean: I have yeah. Dan: Yeah, I just came from that, so I may be uncomfortably exuberant. Dean: Uncomfortably exuberant. That's a great word there, right there. Dan: Yeah, yeah, uncomfortable to you. Dean: That's the best. Dan: Yeah, yeah. So anyway, we have a good service. Dean: The only thing I miss about Chicago comfortable to you, that's the best, yeah, so anyway, we have a good service. The only thing I miss about Chicago. Dan is our Sunday dinners. Oh the Sunday roundtable. Dan: Yeah, it's a bit more informal now so we don't have a big gap. It's not like the Last Supper. Dean: Right, exactly. Dan: We have Mike Canix coming over and Stephen Paltrow. Dean: Okay, there you go. Dan: They'll be on straight carnivore tonight. Dean: Okay, good, I like everything about that. Dan: Yeah, it's a little bit of snow on the ground and snowing right now, but it's nice. Dean: Oh, that's awesome. Well it's winter here. It's like cool. Yeah, I almost had to wear pants yesterday, dan, it was that cold. Dan: I had to wear pants yesterday, Dan. Dean: It was that cold I had to wear my full-weight hoodie. But yeah, but it's sunny, it's nice. Dan: I was just in the hot tub before we got on the call the Chinese intelligence, who are listening to this phone call. They're trying to visualize what you just said. Dean: Yes, Well, I had a great conversation with Charlotte this morning and something happened. That is the first time I've done it. I literally I talked her ear off. I reached my daily limit of talk interaction. We were talking for about an hour. There's a limit. Yes, I pay $20 a month and I guess there's a limit of how long you can engage by advanced voice tech. Dan: I'd give her a raise. I'd give her a raise. Dean: So they were on her behalf demanding a raise. I'd give her a raise. So they were on her behalf demanding a raise from $20 a month to $200 a month, and I could talk to her all I want. I still think it's worth it. It really is. When you think about if we go through the personification again, if you think about what you're getting for 200 I mean, just the conversation I had with her this morning was worth more than 200, yeah, so you want to know what we were talking about. What were you talking? about well, I am such a big fan of this, the big change uh book that I got for you. That was oh yeah, by stuff like that. So I really have been thinking that the whole game has really been an evolution of our, of words, pictures, sound and the combination of words, pictures and sounds in videos, right, and if we take the big three the words and pictures and sound, that I, you know, we went all the way back to the very beginning and I told her I said, listen, what I'd love to do is I want to trace the evolution of each of these individually. I want to start from the beginning of how we let's just take text, you know, as an example for words, and so she's taking me all the way back to the ancient Sumerians and the invention of kind of the very first kind of visual depiction of words and language, and then all the way up to the hieroglyphics of Egyptians and then into what would now be what we know as the alphabet, with the Romans and Latin, Romans and Latin, and the way that they were distributed was through tablets and they would post posters and things to get things out there. And so I'll pause there and I'll tell you that the lens that I wanted to look at it through for her is to go back and find, just trace, the beginnings of the capability of it, right, the capability of text. So that meant we had to have language and we had to have the alphabet, and we had to have the tools, the mechanism to recreate these on tablets. And then the distribution of them. How were they distributed? The consumption of them, how were they received and popularized? And then how were they capitalized? Who turned business opportunities into? What did this new capability turn into business-wise? So, looking, those four, tracking those four things all the way through history, from the ancient Sumerians, all the way through, and so when we got to, you know, from the time the Romans created the thing, the first kind of commercialization was the scribe industry. That became a thing where people were employed as scribes to you know, to write things, things, and then it came into the monks. We haven't gone deep dive in these yet, we're kind of going through the surface level of them. But the scribes, you know, were the first kind of commercializing and distribution of the of the things. And then when Gutenberg came along, that sort of popularized and made it even more able to distribute things and on the back of that became newspapers and pamphlets and books. So those were the three primary things for hundreds of years. Until the 1800s we had steam presses which were large, just kind of mechanized, sped up Gutenberg presses, and then the roller presses which allowed to have long, continuous streams of printing, which that really led to the modern newspaper. You know we had almost a hundred years until things were digitized where the entire platform was built on that plateau of things. And then it turned into newspapers magazines were the dominant things and mail. Those were the big distribution elements for a hundred years and then, once it got digitized, we turned into email. The first email apparently was sent in 1971 or something, but it took 25 years for that to popularize to the level that everybody had email and it was the primary thing and that led to PDFs and eBooks and distribution on the internet. We talked about bloggers because, if you remember, in the early days of the internet the heroes were bloggers. Those were the sort of personalities pre-social media you know. And then she even used the words that once it became democratized with social media, that things like twitter and and you know those were big things. But she talked about Arianna Huffington and Perez Hilton and Matt Drudge as the kind of first real mainstream capitalizers of this digital kind of went full steam into only digital, when all the mainstream print media was still kind of holding on and and resisting the migration of free news coming through you know um, and then we get to the point now where all of that is completely available. You know medium and sub stack and you know email newsletters taking off as a thing, and then AI bringing into a situation where now the machines can create and distribute the content. And it's funny just that level. I was on a Zoom with Joe Stolte the other day and you know, with even your newsletter, the AI-assisted newsletter you think about those as things, that learning smart, personalized text, media consumption as a really enhanced experience. So I found that really that was the first conversation that I'd had with that kind of context. I'm visualizing, I want to like visualize a timeline of these benchmarks. You know along the way, and realize how long the spaces were between when things actually catalyzed, you know yeah, long in comparison to what? Dan: long in comparison to the last. Dean: You know where we are now that long in comparison to what? Long in comparison to the last. You know where we are now. That long in comparison to that. There was no ability to print words on paper until 1442 or 1555 or whatever. I think it's 1550. Dan: Yeah, so 1455. Dean: Somewhere around there. Somewhere around there, yeah that literally did not change for 400 years till now. You know, in the last 25 years we've gotten to where we can distribute it globally instantly to everybody, and that we've also got machines now that can actually create the content itself and distribute on on your behalf and so I think that's our ability to create that stuff. Like I, I wonder how long and how many hours of research power it would have taken to get this level of what I gained from my conversation with Charlotte. Dan: Well, you would have gotten a doctorate, you would have gotten a PhD. Dean: Yeah, and it would have taken years to study all of that and to go back and find it all you know, but it was very, I found it very all to serve this idea that I think, in all of those digitized four corners, that we have reached a, a pinnacle, where we're faced now going forward with a plateau that really it's going to be about the creative use of. No, I think that's things. Dan: Yeah, I think that's true. Yeah, just a little addition to charl's work the conversation that you had with Charlotte. One of the reasons why the Greeks have such influence Greek thinking on the world, you know they essentially created history. That was. Dean: You know that was. Dan: Thucydides. And you know, herodotus and Thucydides were two Greek historians and basically their histories basically really formed the whole ancient world. And then you had poetry. Homer was the great poet and. Plato and Aristotle and many others, many other Greek philosophers, but Greece was the first country that developed a really first-class. The Greeks developed a first-class alphabet. I think it may have pretty close to we have 26 letters. I'm not quite sure what they had, but it wasn't. I don't know if it was fewer or more, but maybe only by two or three letters they had, but it was really the alphabet. That is the breakthrough. For example, we have two artists that work for us. They're from Hong Kong and growing up they learned all the. They learned all the ideograms that are in Chinese you know, and you know, and it's years and years and years of study where the alphabet you know. A reasonably intelligent first grader, or maybe even earlier these days, but a six-year-old, can basically grasp the alphabet and be using that skillfully, you know, within their first year of grade school, within first grade and that's what the alphabet did and that's why, you know, the literacy really came in. But even then, when you know in Gutenberg today there weren't that many literate people, you know who could actually? Read, you know. So it wasn't so much the technology Well, the technology was crucial, but it wasn't so much why things. It's just that it took 400 years for the entire population to become literate. You know, and you know to have formal education to empower literacy. That took a long time because people were working manually and they didn't have need for reading. They had to become good at things. Fixated now for about the last eight months on british navy historical novel assault taking place around 1800 to 1800. You know, and you know the majority of sailors on the ships didn't read they, they didn't have right reading, you know but, they were very skillful. They knew the wind, they knew the waves, they yeah, you know, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very skillful. They knew the wind, they knew the waves, they had phenomenal teamwork and they were very handy. They had a lot of hand skills and everything else, but it's been only recently that your progress in the world really depended upon reading. Dean: Literacy yeah. Dan: Yeah, you had to go forward. I remember that's one story. Just the Greeks. The Greeks that became very powerful, their philosophy still. I mean, every day in universities, or probably universities, there's discussions about what Plato said about this, what Aristotle said about this. So that's still. You know, the power of that over generations is really quite extraordinary. The other thing, if I want to add to that, my sister, who's 89, the man she married, who died about 10 years ago. When I met him, this was in the 1950s, he was a typesetter for a major newspaper in the. Cleveland area and I would go down there and you'd see he put together a whole page of it and you know, and he had to do it backwards, he had to put all the letters. He had this vast, you know, he had these, they were like wooden shelves that had, you know, were divided into, you know, into 28 different, 26 different spots, and he would just pick up the letters and put them. But he made the complete changeover, starting around the 1970s, 1975. He made a complete changeover to becoming digital. It started becoming digital even in the 1970s. And then he just kept progressing, layer after layer, until he was the production manager for the entire network of about five you know five municipal newspapers and everything like that yeah so his history sort of matches what you and charlotte talked about. Dean: Yeah, and I found that really an interesting like multi-track way to look at it, as the technology and then the capability that created for the creation of things, the distribution of those things and the capitalizing on those things, because that's kind of like the cascading layers that happen. And I think if we look at where we are with AI right now, we're at that level where it was available below the surface until two years ago and then now it's sort of widely available as a capability. But all the things that are going to really come, I wouldn't say it's widely available used right now. I heard somebody talk about that. If we think about, like, if ultimately AI is just going to be internet, you know it's like if we think about what internet was in 1996, that's becoming. It's almost like chat. Gpt is the AOL of of what made the internet popular, right as everybody got on. AOL and had access to email and kind of gated browsing. Dan: Yeah, the interesting thing that you know if I just take your example from this morning, it's because you're a good prompter that whole thing happened. The whole essential skill. You know, if you take all the technology, that's a technology, charlotte's technology, and that's there, it's waiting there. It's waiting there to be used. But unless you have a good prompter it won't produce what you produced this morning. Dean: I agree with you 100, and that's why it's all in the prompt prompting. Dan: That means knowing what you want. It's actually a visualization skill because, you visualize something you know like in, not exactly because you, how you did it is unique, but my sense is that you had a question in mind, or you were just curious about something, and then you were able to put it into words. This was strictly spoken, was it? Yeah, uh-huh, yeah, so you didn't type anything in for this. Dean: No, I did not. Dan: Because it's strictly on an audible level, right, exactly, yeah. Anything in for this? No, I did not. Strictly on an audible level, right, exactly yeah. But here's the thing that no one else in the world did what you did this morning, and the reason is because you were just interested in it you were just interested in something and you know, and it was in conversation form, so now tell me about this. Now tell me about this yeah well, what she? Dean: was saying was guiding my things. You know what? It's very similar, dan. It's like if we were to sit down at a piano and look at the piano. There's 88 keys of possibility there. Yeah, unless you know how to prompt the keys to make the noises. Dan: Do you know what I mean? It's just noise. Dean: I think that's really what it is, and I think that chat interactions or AI interactions are going to be the piano lessons of today. Right Like for kids to talk about essential skills. Dan: And the outcome is going to be the music and the outcome is going to be the music. Dean: That's right. That's right, yeah. Dan: I've done about. You know, with perplexity, probably last week I've done about 25, you know where I one. That was really interesting because it was related to the book that I'm writing Casting, not Hiring with Jeff and I was saying, you know, the big thing is that we're only talking, the book is only for a particular type of person, you know. Because, you know he has a wide range of people that he's giving them our small copy of Casting, not Hiring you know, our 60-page book and then he's interviewing them if they're willing to read it, which takes about an hour. If they're willing to read it, then he wants to know what they think about it. You know, but there's, like corporate people that he's talking to, there's academic people that he's talking to, and I said, you know, jeff, academic people that he's talking to. And I said, you know, jeff, there's only one reader for this. That's a successful, talented, ambitious entrepreneur who wants to grow. Who wants to grow, wants to make the growth experience really meaningful and purposeful for himself or herself, but also for the team members, for the members of the company that the entrepreneur owns. And so he said, yeah, well you know how big is that market and I said, well, let's. So I did a search and I had my question. I just looked at it just before I came on the call. I said I want you to, of all the companies incorporated in the United States, the total number of incorporated companies in the United States in 2023, because usually their number. You know that you go back about a year before the present year that you're just sending, because there's an enormous amount of data for that. Dean: And. Dan: I said what percentage of all the incorporated companies in the United States are privately owned? And it turns out it's 99% and 33 million, 33 million incorporated companies. And and then I put in another prompt okay, size of companies 1 to 10, 10 to 50, 50 to 150, 150 to 500, above 500, and 74 percent of them are 74 percent or one to ten. And then, and I said we're really talking basically about companies up to about 150 that's the reader. They have companies that are 150 and everything like that, and it's really interesting that this is the only person they said but there's this huge market of other. You know, jeff didn't say this, but other people said there's. So this should be a book for everybody. And I said, if it's a book for everybody, it's not interesting to anybody that's true, exactly. Dean: Well, that's so. Those numbers have kind of um grown, because I've always heard about you know know, 28 million, but I guess the most recent that would make sense 33 million. Dan: And it would be bigger today because we're you know, we're a full year and into the first month, so it would be bigger. The incorporations go on. And the other thing about what you're saying is you can be so specific, Like you can really put down all the interesting things about the reader you know, about the reader that you're looking for and you know so, while the capability that you're talking and I have some arguments with democratize you know the concept of democratize because there's a certain sense people are going to have equal capabilities. I think just the opposite is going to happen. The range from people with a little ability or no ability to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider to extraordinary capability actually gets bigger and wider. And the reason is exactly what I just said to you that you're the only one in the world who's ever gotten that information laid out and has it back in a very short period of time. And it's strictly because what Dean Jackson was looking for. Dean: Yeah, that's exactly right. I was very curious about it. And I think that it's something. I think it's a unique perspective, especially when we overlay the other things. We only got we were talking about then sound. We only got we were talking about then sound. And it wasn't until the 1800s late 1800s that Edison created the phonograph, that we were able to capture sound and the evolution of that. Then it took another by 25 years later. It was the beginning of radio. That now we have the ability to capture sound, the ability to distribute sound through the radio, that it ushered in this golden era of radio as the distribution medium. And she talked about NBC and CBS and ABC, you know, as the monopolistic NBC was really the big giant. Dan: Yeah, they were the giant. Dean: I mean, they were the powerhouse of radio 1995 was the, or 1925, I think was when they were founded, and then the others were by 1927. Yeah, but that took off the radios in every household and all of that, you know, laid the. That created the mass audience yeah really right, yeah, there was. Dan: Uh. Really, there's a writer named tim wu wu and he's just. He's written about five books on just the extraordinary impact of the communication technologies, starting when you said sort of you know. First the telegraph and the telegraph with sound. That's really the telephones you have. Bell is in there. So, Morris and Bell and Edison. You have the combination. And then Edison also created the movie. I mean, he was the real. I mean, he's the person who created it that became famous for it yes. There were lots of people. He's famous for the light bulb, he's the person who became famous for the light bulb, but there were at least five or six working light bulbs before Edison. It's just that Edison was the first what I would call the modern entrepreneur, technology entrepreneur, and he really grasped where all this stuff was going, more than any other single innovator entrepreneur, and he understood the stock market and he understood how to raise funds and he understood how to market. Dean: You know, yeah, yeah. Dan: So you know I'm getting a lot of patents, so we got two more on Friday, so we're up to 54 patents now. And I was talking in the breakout group on Friday, I said we're really piling up the patents, and so somebody said well, how many are you going for? And I said I can tell you exactly I'm going for 1,068. Tell you exactly, I'm going for 1,068. Uh-huh, 1,068. I mean, where's that number come from? I said Edison had 1,067. Dean: Oh, there you go. Dan: That's the best, and I grew up two miles from his birthplace. So the farm that I grew up two miles away is where Edison was born, milan, ohio, and very famous, I mean he's just a roaring, big, major human being, historic human being in that area, and he's one of my five historic role models. I've got Euclid, I've got Shakespeare, I've got Bach, I've got Hamilton, james Madison and Edison. And I said Edison put all the pieces together that created the modern technological world. Dean: It's true, isn't it? Yeah? Dan: He's the first person to create a formal R&D lab. He had in Menlo, new Jersey. He created his famous lab and he had technicians and scientists and engineers there. And then you know, and then he understood the stock market and he understood you know big systems, how you put big electric systems together and everything like that, you know. The thing is that that's a history of entrepreneurism, the thing that you put together with Charlotte this morning. Dean: Yeah, that was my intention, Because it's always some individual who just decides to do something more with it. Dan: They kind of apply your VCR formula to something that already exists and they say what's the vision? Well, you have to have the vision, but you have to see where it hasn't gone to yet. I mean, that's basically what you have to. Vision is seeing where things have not yet gone to, but could, if you organize them differently? You take the capabilities and combined it with reach, then you. That's what the future really is. Vcr. Dean: Yeah, you know I've had a nice VCR advancement, chad, and I have been talking a lot about it. Chad Jenkins, chad Jenkins, I've been talking about the VCR formula and so I had some distinctions around vision, like what is vision? And I realized there's a progression that it takes like from an idea or a prediction. Is the first level that you got a vision that, hey, I think this could work, and then the next level of it is that you've got proof that idea does work and that opens the gate for you to create a protocol for predictable repeating of that result and that opens the gateway to a patent, to protection of that. Dan: So you predict, you prove you protocol or package and protect the 4P progression. I thought, know you know what. You know what it is. It's the ability to see, yeah, let's say, a reasonable time frame, not 100 years from now, but let's say 10 years from now. Yeah, that, if this were available, a lot of people would like to have this. Dean: Yes. Dan: That's basically what a vision is. That's what a vision is. If it was available to them and it was easy to use. They don't have to change their habits too much to use it 10 years from now and I think a lot of people not only would they love using it, they'd be willing to pay for it. Dean: Of course, yes, I agree, yeah, and so I thought that was very, that was a nice, I mean every drug dealer in the world knows how to do that. Dan: Yeah, I mean, you think about everything started out with an idea. I bet, if we did this, that would be oh, yeah, yeah, I bet, prove it. I bet, yeah, you know, steve jobs with itunes. He said yeah I got interested in music. But when I go into a store, you know, uh, and, and I hear a song I really like, or I hear a musician I really like, and I hear them singing a song, or her I, you know, I'd like to be able to just get that song, but they make it really difficult. You got to buy 11 other songs, or 10 other songs to get the one song you know and you know, and, and I'd like to have it. You know, I'd like to have it on a small machine. I don't want to. You know, I don't want to have a big record that comes home and then I have to have a lot of equipment and everything to put on it. And you know, and you know, I'd like to, I'd like to think of. You know, I'd like to have a technology. Dean: Yeah, I'd like to think of. Dan: You know, I'd like to have a technology Getting a call from yeah, I'd like to have a technology that, the moment I hear the sun, five minutes later I can have it. You know, Mm-hmm. Yes, I mean it's so I think it's imagine, there's a capability multiplied by imagination. You know that's kind of like what vision is. Dean: But you know, the interesting thing is that was true 25 years ago when Steve invented the iPod and the iTunes environment, but then over the next 25 years's taken another evolution. Right, it was still the ownership. Instead of owning the physical thing, you own the digital version of it and you download it onto your device. But now, when it got to the cloud and all the songs are available and you don't need to download them, it's like spotify said listen, we own all the songs, we got access to all of them. Why don't you just pay us nine dollars a month and you can have all the songs and just stream them? Yeah, and, and that's where we're at now, it's like. But I think that the next level, the thing we're at now with ai, is that ai is actually, specifically, that it's reached the generative ai point where it it can actually create songs. That's what's happening now. Dan: Yeah, it's clearly a productive capability that you're exploring here we're having a conversation about. When did you have this conversation with Charlotte? Just this morning, when I woke up this morning, Okay, this entire conversation that we're having would not have happened unless um no, you did what you did for an hour this morning right, that's exactly right, yeah now let me ask you a question here, and it goes to another technological realm and it's big data. It's big data, and so I keep reading about big data. You know big data, and I said and it's accumulating all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. Okay, and so you have all the data. I remember having a conversation this was probably 10 years ago and the Chinese were developing what was called an intelligence capability, where they could gather information about what all the people in China were doing at any given moment. Okay, and then they could make predictions based on that. Nice, if wait a minute, so you got one point, you got 1.3 billion. Dean: You know however many Chinese there are they're being listened to, you know, and however many Chinese there are. Dan: They're being listened to, you know, and they're. Whatever they're doing, that's being read. And I said how many Chinese do you have to pay attention to what all the other Chinese are doing? I said they must have about 6 million people who, day in, day out, are just listening and they're accumulating massive amounts of data. Okay, and then I say, then what happens? Dean: then what? Dan: yeah, then what? Okay? Okay, uh, and I said so, what do you do with all this data? You know, I said it's overwhelming the amount of data you have. So what's happening with it and what it tells me is that there's no way for you to really comprehend what all that data means. Dean: Yeah, I agree. I mean there's no, but you can argue that's kind of what Facebook does with the algorithm right In a way, of being able to predict what you're likely to click on next. Dan: That's how they're at it, Well that I understand, but that's on the level, that's a commercial level, because really they're selling ads. I mean what Google and Facebook actually are high-level advertising platforms. Dean: Yes, that's exactly what they are. I mean, that's what they are. Dan: Yeah, I mean, and once you've said that, there isn't much else to say. Dean: Once you've said that, it's over. Dan: Well it is what it is and it's a bias, obviously, because it's just, you know it's, if they're spending money, not ads for Google and spending ads for Facebook, they aren't spending money for ads in the New York Times, or yeah. So all the newspaper advertising has gone away and all the magazine advertising has gone away, and probably all the advertising on television, because the number of people watching television is actually going down, you know. Well the actual, I mean if you're following social media or you're you know, you're on the, you're on your computer and you're looking at things. Well, your attention can only be on one thing at a time and if I'm spending you know I used to spend I would say when I stopped in 2018, I stopped watching television together, but I calculated that it was probably I was probably watching anywhere between 15 and 20 hours a week times 52. Okay, so that's. You know that's 800 to a thousand hours and I'm not doing that anymore, so for I got a thousand hours back. He's. I would say 800. I just evened it off at 800. I'd say I've just got 800 hours back. It's just gone into being more productive. I'm incredibly more productive in creating stuff. I have you as a witness. You know that it's going up in numbers. The amount of stuff that I'm creating. it's going up in numbers the amount of stuff that I'm creating. So you know, here's the thing. I don't think I'm unusual in this. I don't think I'm unique on the planet in doing what this is. I just think people are moving their attention away from something where everybody was paying attention to it and now fewer and fewer people are paying attention to it. It's like Joe Rogan, you know, I mean. Dean: Joe Rogan. Dan: The people are watching Joe Rogan. Who did they stop watching or listening and watching to? So that's the big thing. Where are people? Dean: going with their attention. Yeah, and you know I just heard a podcast talking about that. Streaming, you know, like from television. It's gone away from kind of linear television where you know they show one thing on one channel at one time and you have to be there at 8 pm to watch that one show. Watch that one show and you watch it along with ads, right? If you want to watch this happening now, you watch it and you consume the ads. Well, when streaming became available, you know, if you look at that convenience, that it was so much more dignified that we can watch whatever we want to watch when we want to watch it, and there's a price for that. Everybody has migrated towards the, towards that, and now the interesting thing is that the streamers are Wall Street redefined. How they value the, you know, monetize or attribute value to what they have. Because for a long time, netflix was rewarded for the ever-growing number of subscribers. Right, like getting more and more subscribers. It didn't matter to Wall Street that they were profitable or unprofitable. The only thing that they staked the value in was the growing number of subscribers, the growing number of subscribers, so for. So netflix would spend billions and billions of dollars on attracting creative right that would. That would get people to watch the. You know, come to netflix to see, because they only had original programs you could only get on Netflix and they overpaid for all of that content. So now. Wall Street a few years ago decided that hey, wait a minute. These guys should be like any other business. Dan: They should be profitable and so it always comes down to that, doesn't it it really? Dean: does so they said you know, now Netflix has to cut corners, pinch pennies. They have to make things. They can't afford to spend as much to make the content. If you look at the line items of where they were spending the most amount of money, it's acquiring yeah, content to do uh so that's where the peak era of who's the guy? Dan: who's the guy who runs Netflix? Dean: Sarandon Tom. Dan: Sarandon. Dean: I think, but in any event they. Dan: No, I was just wondering if he's one of the people who gave $50 million to Kamala Harris. Dean: Oh, yeah, probably. Dan: Yeah, I said he obviously doesn't know anything about returning or getting a profit All right, exactly. Dean: So the other, the thing that we're finding. Dan: What's Reid Hoffman? He's LinkedIn. Dean: Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah, linkedin. Yeah yeah, yeah. Dan: But those people are all not giving a million dollars to Trump for his inauguration. Dean: The thing that streamers have landed on now is that they have free models you can watch, but now they have ad supported things where you can watch anything you want, but they insert ads that are unskippable ads and they're finding that is more profitable than the subscriber the subscription revenue. That on a per user kind of thing. They make more money on people watching and viewing the unskippable ads. So it's kind of funny that everything has come full circle back to basic cable, where you are. They're all bundling now so you can get because people were resisting that you had to buy netflix and you had to buy hbo and paramount and hulu and all these things, nbc and cbs and all of it so now they're bundling them together for one subscription and having ad supported views. So the big winner out of all of it is that we've won the right to, and have demanded the right to, watch whatever we want to watch, whenever we want to watch it. We're not going to sit on, you know. We're not going to wait until 9pm to watch this and wait a week to get the next episode. We want all the episodes available right now and we'll choose when and what we watch and for how long we watch it. If I want to watch the whole series in one weekend, that's up to me yeah, you know it's an interesting thing. Dan: Uh, here and this relates to the whole story you told the whole historical story, going back to the sumerians. But one of the things I really notice is that the moment a new capability appears and you can utilize it, it's no longer wondrous. You've just included that in your existing capability, I can now do this. You've just included that in your existing capability. I can now do this. It's really interesting the moment you get a capability that just goes into the stack of capabilities that you already have. So it's not really a breakthrough because it doesn't feel any more unusual than all the capabilities you had. So today this is kind of a you know you were. You started the podcast here saying I just did something that I've never done before with Charlotte you know, and then people said who's this Charlotte that Dean talks about? Well, dean actually created this capability called Charlotte. He actually did that, but now it's just normal. Now, what else can Charlotte do? Dean: I'm going to do this. Dan: But a week from now you may have done this four or five times or four or five more things. These sort of deep searches, that you did, and now it just becomes part of Dean Jackson's talent and capability stack. Dean: Yeah, yeah, in the of the VCR formula, the sea of capability, that all this capability starts out with one person who has taken it's almost like Always starts with one person. Yeah, and it's a curiosity. Dan: It's a curiosity thing You're alert to. You know, in our four by four casting tool, the first quadrant is called performance, how you show up. And I've got four qualities. One you're alert. Second thing is that you're curious. Number three is that you're responsive. And number four you're resourceful. And I would say you just knocked off all four this morning with this search, this conversation with Charlotte. You just knocked off all four. That's the reason why you're doing it. So the key to the future in profiting, but utilizing and benefiting from this technology is you have? To be alert, you have to be curious, you have to be, you have to be responsive and you have to be resourceful. Dean: Yeah, that's great. Dan: Yeah, yeah, we're living, and then you get to do and then you get to do things faster, easier, cheaper and bigger yes, this is great, dan. Dean: We're really living in the best of times we're just talking, dean yeah, we're already in it, but it's endless. Dan: We're into an area of just extraordinary, idiosyncratic creativity. Dean: This is it that now we have. Everyone has access to every capability that you could. Dan: No, they only have access to the capability that they're looking for. Oh, boy yes. No, they don't have access to every capability. They just have access to the next capability they're looking for. Dean: Right, this is mind-blowing. Dan: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is great, but it is similar. This was better than the IV. Dean: Your exuberance is showing. Dan: Or maybe before you have an hour conversation with Dean, you get an IV. Dean: Yeah, exactly, you have an hour conversation with dean, you get an iv. Yeah, exactly, did you imagine it's a triple play of an iv yeah, with a conversation with charlotte, followed by a conversation with dan sullivan. Dan: I will try the iv next week yeah, and then eat a great piece of steak. And then eat a great piece of steak that's right Followed by a Rib eye is great. I think rib eye is my favorite. Dean: Yeah, me too by far yeah. Dan: Well. I love it yeah, this is great conversation. Dean: I agree, Dan this is Things are heating up. I'm going to upgrade Charlotte and give her a raise 10X, a 10 times raise. Dan: Tell her about that. You know talk to her and say you know, not only do I think you're more valuable, but Catchy TP thinks you're more valuable, Charlotte, and we're raising your monthly to 200. Dean: That's right. A 10 times raise. Dan: Yeah, who gets that? Mm-hmm? Okay, and you think about it. Dean: It's just so valuable. All right, dan, thanks, bye, bye.

Choses à Savoir HISTOIRE
La guerre de Troie a-t-elle vraiment eu lieu ?

Choses à Savoir HISTOIRE

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 18, 2025 2:24


La guerre de Troie, immortalisée par Homère dans l'Iliade, fascine depuis des siècles. Mais s'agit-il d'un mythe littéraire ou d'un véritable conflit historique ? Depuis longtemps, les historiens et archéologues tentent de démêler la réalité de la légende.Les sources antiques : mythe ou réalité ?L'Iliade, écrite au VIIIe siècle avant J.-C., raconte une guerre entre les Grecs et les Troyens, déclenchée par l'enlèvement d'Hélène par Pâris. Mais ce récit épique, empli d'interventions divines, semble davantage relever de la mythologie que d'un compte rendu historique fiable.Toutefois, d'autres auteurs antiques, comme Hérodote et Thucydide, considéraient que la guerre de Troie avait bien eu lieu, mais sous une forme moins spectaculaire. Ils suggéraient que derrière le mythe, un véritable affrontement avait opposé des cités de la mer Égée à Troie, située en Anatolie (l'actuelle Turquie).Les découvertes archéologiquesAu XIXe siècle, Heinrich Schliemann, un archéologue allemand, met au jour les ruines de Troie sur le site de Hisarlik, en Turquie. Il découvre plusieurs strates de cités superposées, indiquant que Troie a été détruite et reconstruite à plusieurs reprises. Parmi elles, Troie VII, datée autour de 1200 avant J.-C., semble correspondre à la période présumée de la guerre de Troie.Les fouilles ont révélé des traces de destruction par le feu et des armes, suggérant un conflit. Mais qui étaient les assaillants ? Une coalition de cités grecques, comme dans l'Iliade, ou d'autres peuples de la région ? L'absence de preuves directes empêche de trancher définitivement.Une guerre plausible ?À l'époque du Bronze récent, les tensions entre royaumes étaient courantes en Méditerranée. Troie, située près des Détroits des Dardanelles, contrôlait un point stratégique pour le commerce entre l'Europe et l'Asie. Un conflit entre les Mycéniens et les Troyens pour le contrôle de cette route commerciale est donc plausible.Conclusion : mythe ou réalité ?Si l'existence d'une guerre impliquant Troie autour de 1200 avant J.-C. semble probable, rien ne prouve qu'elle s'est déroulée exactement comme dans l'Iliade. L'histoire d'Achille, du cheval de Troie et des dieux reste une légende embellie par les poètes. Mais comme souvent, derrière un mythe, il y a une part de vérité. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

ChinaTalk
China's Great Power Wars: Lessons from Imperial History for Today

ChinaTalk

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2025 89:26


How has Chinese hegemony shaped power relations in East Asia? Why did imperial China conquer Tibet and Xinjiang but not Vietnam or Korea? Can learning from history help maintain peace in the Taiwan Strait? Today's interview begins with one shocking truth — while medieval Europe suffered under near-constant war, East Asia's Middle Ages were defined by great power peace. To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Professor David C. Kang, director of the Korean Studies Institute at USC and co-author of Beyond Power Transitions: The Lessons of East Asian History and the Future of U.S.-China Relations. We discuss… How East Asian nations managed to peacefully coexist for centuries, Why lessons from European history don't always apply in non-European contexts, Why wars begin and how they can be avoided, How to interpret outbreaks of violence in Asia — including conflicts with the Mongols, China's meddling in Vietnam, and Japan's early attempts at empire, State behaviors that cannot be explained by power transition theory alone, Whether the Thucydides trap makes U.S.-China war inevitable, Old school methods for managing cross-strait relations. Co-hosting today is Ilari Mäkelä of the On Humans podcast. Outro music: 荒城の月 "The Moon over the Ruined Castle" by 滝廉太郎 Rentarō Taki (Youtube link) Cover photo of a Song Dynasty axe-wielding god https://dragonsarmory.blogspot.com/2016/12/song-chinese-armor-in-religious.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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China's Great Power Wars: Lessons from Imperial History for Today

ChinaEconTalk

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2025 89:26


How has Chinese hegemony shaped power relations in East Asia? Why did imperial China conquer Tibet and Xinjiang but not Vietnam or Korea? Can learning from history help maintain peace in the Taiwan Strait? Today's interview begins with one shocking truth — while medieval Europe suffered under near-constant war, East Asia's Middle Ages were defined by great power peace. To discuss, ChinaTalk interviewed Professor David C. Kang, director of the Korean Studies Institute at USC and co-author of Beyond Power Transitions: The Lessons of East Asian History and the Future of U.S.-China Relations. We discuss… How East Asian nations managed to peacefully coexist for centuries, Why lessons from European history don't always apply in non-European contexts, Why wars begin and how they can be avoided, How to interpret outbreaks of violence in Asia — including conflicts with the Mongols, China's meddling in Vietnam, and Japan's early attempts at empire, State behaviors that cannot be explained by power transition theory alone, Whether the Thucydides trap makes U.S.-China war inevitable, Old school methods for managing cross-strait relations. Co-hosting today is Ilari Mäkelä of the On Humans podcast. Outro music: 荒城の月 "The Moon over the Ruined Castle" by 滝廉太郎 Rentarō Taki (Youtube link) Cover photo of a Song Dynasty axe-wielding god https://dragonsarmory.blogspot.com/2016/12/song-chinese-armor-in-religious.html Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Athens Corner

Subscriber-only episodeHaving discussed the opening paragraph, I now turn to the second paragraph which marks the beginning of the text traditionally referred to as ‘the Archaeology' (paragraphs 2-20).  Here is where we begin to see our theme in the series of technology.  At issue is the emerging way in which Thucydides understands the role of techne in the life of man and what that reveals about the possibility of political community.  As I show, this unfolds into a way in which the entire text can be understood as an inquiry into the greatness and the limitations that technology imposes upon the possibility of statesmanship.  In other words, Thucydides is a kind of political philosopher that is primarily concerned with the greatness man is capable of achieving when the nature of man is properly understood and harnessed by political rule.

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold
What Does it Meant to Rebel? (Ancient) Resistance to Imperial Violence

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 21, 2025 41:08 Transcription Available


Revisiting the story of Europa of Tyre alongside the true story of the siege of Milos. Submit to the quarterly Q&A at mythsbaby.com/questions and get ad-free episodes and so, so much more, by subscribing to the Oracle Edition at patreon.com/mythsbaby CW/TW: far too many Greek myths involve assault. Given it's fiction, and typically involves gods and/or monsters, I'm not as deferential as I would be were I referencing the real thing. Sources: Hesiod's Catalogue of Women, translated by HG Evelyn-White; Nonnus' Dionysiaca translated by WHD Rouse; Reading from Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War, translated by Richard Crawley. Attributions and licensing information for music used in the podcast can be found here: mythsbaby.com/sources-attributions. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

random Wiki of the Day

rWotD Episode 2817: Derdas I Welcome to Random Wiki of the Day, your journey through Wikipedia’s vast and varied content, one random article at a time.The random article for Sunday, 19 January 2025 is Derdas I.Derdas I (Ancient Greek: Δέρδας) was the ruler of the region of Elimiotis (Ἐλιμιώτις), also rendered as Elymia (Ἐλιμία) and Elimeia (Ἐλίμεια), in the mid 5th century BCE.Our information about him comes from a few passages in Thucydides, who said that in the lead up to the Peloponnesian War (431–404), the Athenians allied with one Philip, brother of the Macedonian king Perdiccas II, who sought to claim the throne for himself. The reason for this alliance was not explained in ancient sources, but Konstantinos Karathanasis has speculated that, in response to the recent Athenian settlement at Amphipolis (437) on Macedon's eastern frontier, Perdiccas began to restrict sales of timber to Athens, and that this was the spur that induced the Athenians to support Philip.Thucydides, in the above cited passage, reported that in this campaign Philip was aided by Derdas, who was not specifically identified, but was presumably a member of the Macedonian nobility and probably a relative. Why Derdas would support Philip in this internecine struggle is also not known.Derdas appears to have died shortly after this series of events began. After giving some background on the situation, Thucydides reported that Philip was now supported by the "brothers of Derdas". He later said that when the Athenians were marching on Potidaea (one of the early engagements of the war), they were joined by "six hundred Macedonian horsemen, the followers of Philip and Pausanias". A later scholiast commented that Pausanias was either a son or brother of Derdas.This recording reflects the Wikipedia text as of 00:02 UTC on Sunday, 19 January 2025.For the full current version of the article, see Derdas I on Wikipedia.This podcast uses content from Wikipedia under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License.Visit our archives at wikioftheday.com and subscribe to stay updated on new episodes.Follow us on Mastodon at @wikioftheday@masto.ai.Also check out Curmudgeon's Corner, a current events podcast.Until next time, I'm neural Gregory.

Keen On Democracy
Episode 2299: Jill Kastner explains why everything old is new again in international politics

Keen On Democracy

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2025 36:34


Everything old is new again in international politics. According to Jill Kastner, co-author of A Measure Short of War: A Brief History of Great Power Subversion, today's international tensions over Ukraine, Taiwan and Greenland mark a return to historical normalcy after a brief period of global American unipolarity. Kastner explains that subversion—defined as hostile or unwanted action on a rival's territory—has been a constant tool of statecraft throughout history. She presents subversion as a rational choice between diplomacy and war, where states make cost-benefit calculations about their actions. Citing historical examples from Thucydides' Athens and Elizabeth I's England to modern-day geopolitics, she explains how nations use subversive tactics when diplomatic channels fail, but war seems too costly. Let's hope she's right when it comes to heading off a Chinese war over Taiwan or an American invasion of Greenland. Dr Jill Kastner is an independent scholar and historian based in London. Her work focuses on international relations from the Cold War to the present, with an emphasis on intelligence and subversive activities both covert and overt. Jill completed her PhD at Harvard in 1999 under the guidance of Ernest May and Philip Zelikow before joining the Presidential Recordings Project at the University of Virginia's Miller Center for Public Affairs. She has contributed book chapters on various Cold War crises, including Suez and Berlin, and written for The Nation and Foreign Affairs. She served as the executive editor and collaborator for Hope and History: A Memoir of Tumultuous Times, the political memoir of Ambassador William J. vanden Heuvel. She is currently collaborating with William C. Wohlforth on a book about the history of subversion, due out with Oxford University Press next year. Prior to her PhD, Jill worked as a television news producer on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. She is a member of Chatham House, the Pilgrims of the US/UK, and the Harvard Club of New York.Named as one of the "100 most connected men" by GQ magazine, Andrew Keen is amongst the world's best known broadcasters and commentators. In addition to presenting KEEN ON, he is the host of the long-running How To Fix Democracy show. He is also the author of four prescient books about digital technology: CULT OF THE AMATEUR, DIGITAL VERTIGO, THE INTERNET IS NOT THE ANSWER and HOW TO FIX THE FUTURE. Andrew lives in San Francisco, is married to Cassandra Knight, Google's VP of Litigation & Discovery, and has two grown children.Keen On is a reader-supported publication. To receive new posts and support my work, consider becoming a free or paid subscriber. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit keenon.substack.com/subscribe

Cultures monde
La Cour pénale internationale passe à l'offensive 3/4 : Comment juger Vladimir Poutine ?

Cultures monde

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 11, 2024 58:20


durée : 00:58:20 - Cultures Monde - par : Julie Gacon, Margaux Leridon - En mars 2023, la Cour pénale internationale émettait des mandats d'arrêt contre des dirigeants russes, dont Vladimir Poutine, accusé de déportation illégale d'enfants ukrainiens. Un choix de charges pragmatique qui vise à accélérer le processus de mise en accusation. - réalisation : Margot Page - invités : Mathilde Philip-Gay Professeure de droit public à l'Université Jean Moulin Lyon 3, co-directrice du Centre de droit constitutionnel et coordinatrice de la chaire lyonnaise des droits humains et environnementaux; Muriel Ubeda-Saillard Professeure de droit international et ancienne vice-présidente en charge des affaires institutionnelles, juridiques et contentieuses de l'Université de Lille; Sandrine de Sena Docteure en droit public, consultante juridique auprès de la Direction des affaires judiciaires du Greffe de la Cour pénale internationale et chercheuse associée au centre Thucydide

War 102
Episode 31; Empire and Democracy

War 102

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 8, 2024 14:47


Send me a text!The lessons of Thucydides and can a Democracy survive being an empire.Different quotes Support the showwar102podcast@gmail.comhttps://www.reddit.com/r/War102Podcast/https://war102.buzzsprout.com

InnerVerse
Slick Dissident | The Philosophical Dialectic: Theory vs. Praxis, Esotericism & Thucydides' Trap

InnerVerse

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2024 88:11


InnerVerse champion Slick Dissident returns for a discussion about the core dialectic of philosophy: theory and praxis. We discuss the relationship of the archetypal enneagram to social engineering, the secret nature of higher knowledge, the virtuality of virtue, comparative rhetoric and direct vs. esoteric communication, analytic continental philosophy, the hermetic law of half-truths, and Thucydides' Trap. In the Plus+ Extension we ponder whether the philosopher is a fundamentally different sort of human being, Plato's Republic and the ultimate "bad job" of the utopian state, how esotericism insulates reason from politics, the anti-tragic progressive humanism that Western society is built on, Mercurial "poiesis" as the balance between theory and praxis, and the modern "noble lie" that is social justice. All that and much more! Join InnerVerse Plus+ for exclusive extended episodes!https://www.patreon.com/posts/117215067https://youtu.be/3VM5hDHSaJghttps://rokfin.com/stream/54946 GET TUNEDhttps://www.innerversepodcast.com/sound-healing EPISODE LINKSSlick Dissident (Gabriel) on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSSMh4fE7dAdhPcdtP0rW2AOutro Music by LuSiD - https://www.lusid.live/https://www.innerversepodcast.com/season-10/slick-dissident SUPPORT INNERVERSETippecanoe Herbs - Use INNERVERSE code at checkout - https://tippecanoeherbs.com/Check out the Spirit Whirled series, narrated by Chance - https://www.innerversepodcast.com/audiobooksLotusWei Flower Essences - https://www.lotuswei.com/innerverseBuy from Clive de Carle with this link to support InnerVerse with your purchase - https://clivedecarle.ositracker.com/197164/11489InnerVerse Merch - https://www.innerversemerch.comThe Aquacure AC50 (Use "innerverse" as a coupon code for a discount) - https://eagle-research.com/product/ac50TT TELEGRAM LINKShttps://t.me/innerversepodcasthttps://t.me/innerversepodcastchat InnerVerse intro theme by Conspiracy Music Guru - https://www.conspiracymusicguru.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

War 102
Episode 30; The Peloponnesian War

War 102

Play Episode Listen Later Dec 1, 2024 16:08


Send me a text!An all to brief, and pretty mangled overview of one of the most complex wars in history.  All apologies to Thucydides.  Different quotes Support the showwar102podcast@gmail.comhttps://www.reddit.com/r/War102Podcast/https://war102.buzzsprout.com

War 102
Episode 29; The Ukraine War

War 102

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 24, 2024 14:29


Send me a text!A discussion of the origins of the current Ukrainian conflict.Different quotes Support the showwar102podcast@gmail.comhttps://www.reddit.com/r/War102Podcast/https://war102.buzzsprout.com

On Humans
49 | Is War Inevitable? Lessons from East Asia ~ David C. Kang

On Humans

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 15, 2024 51:21


Why do wars start? How can we avoid them? Do countries wage wars whenever it suits their own goals? Or are wars a product of failed understanding and military madmen?  These are questions at the centre of the study of war and peace. But for too long, the field of international relations has answered them by scavenging data from European history alone.   To better understand the human capacity for peace, we need to understand military history more broadly.  Or so argues David C. Kang, a professor at the University of Southern California. A Korean American scholar of international relations, Kang argues that the histories of China, Japan, Korea, and Vietnam give us lessons that no reading of European countries could: lessons about neighbouring countries living in peace for centuries. Yes, there was violence. At times, there was war. But peace between these countries prevailed for stunningly long periods. And contrary to standard theories of war and peace, this wasn't achieved by a “balance of powers”, nor by an inability to sustain military operations. But is this too peaceful a picture of East Asian history? Didn't China keep up bullying Vietnam? What about the epic wars started by Japan? What about the Mongols, the Great Wall, and China's expansion on its Western frontier? And what, if anything, can this tell about war and peace in the 21st Century? Doesn't the “Thucydides trap” make a war between the US and China inevitable? We discuss these and many other questions in this fascinating episode. I am particularly glad to bring you this episode as it brings together two of the major themes on the show this fall: the study of war and peace and the study of Asian history. Co-hosting again was Jordan Schneider from ChinaTalk. Check out also our “What About China” trilogy from September (episodes #44-36)! LINKS Kang's new book, co-authored with Xinru Ma, is Beyond Power Transitions. You can read my essays and get the On Humans newsletter at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠OnHumans.Substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Feeling generous? Join the wonderful group of my patrons at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/OnHumans⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠or get in touch for other ways to support! Email: ⁠⁠makela dot ilari at outlook dot com⁠⁠⁠ MENTIONS Books Beyond Bronze Pillars by Liam Kelley Technical terms Thucydides trap | Westphalian system | Balance of powers | IR (=internationa relations) | keju civil service | Keywords War | Peace | International relations | China | Japan | Korea | Social science of war | History | Military history | Humanities | Vietnam | East Asia | Thucidides trap |

Athens Corner
Technology and Nihilism in Plato, Aristotle, and Heidegger

Athens Corner

Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2024 254:37


This is the introduction to my latest addition for the "Technology and Nihilism" series on my AthensCorner.com website.In moving from Thucydides to Aristotle and Heidegger, here I discuss the importance of Plato and Aristotle for any and all accounts of the things we all too casually refer to as "technology" and "science" as if we fully understand them.At issue in this discussion is the unfolding of what it means for man to be the creature of speech, the creature of logos, and what that means for our pursuit of knowledge which we refer to as "science" and its counterpart "technology." This unfolding entails, among other things:(1) The significance of rhetoric for philosophy in Plato, Aristotle, and Heidegger(2) The contours of what is meant by the beautiful, the just, and the good with respect to the soul of man and its relation to, first, being and, second, the possibility of articulating that relation of soul and being for the flourishing of political community.(3) The unity and diversity of so-called "practical" and "theoretical" knowledge in the various fields of knowledge.(4) The hierarchy of pleasures attendant in the distinguishing of mind and passion in the soul of man attendant upon any clarified understanding of the beautiful.(5) The significance of number in both Plato and Aristotle for virtue in the attempt to clarify the good life.(6) The way in which all of the above informs the various "return" movements to the Greeks in postmodern philosophy, whether of Nietzsche, Heidegger, or Leo Strauss

Leadership Lessons From The Great Books
Leadership Lessons From The Great Books - History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides

Leadership Lessons From The Great Books

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 30, 2024 49:21


History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides---Episode Music: Gluck - Iphigenie En Tauride - 1. Akt Nr.01-Nr.10---Opening and closing themes composed by Brian Sanyshyn of Brian Sanyshyn Music.---Pick up your copy of 12 Rules for Leaders: The Foundation of Intentional Leadership NOW on AMAZON!Check out the 2022 Leadership Lessons From the Great Books podcast reading list!---Subscribe to the Leadership Lessons From The Great Books Podcast: https://bit.ly/LLFTGBSubscribeCheck out HSCT Publishing at: https://www.hsctpublishing.com/.Check out LeadingKeys at: https://www.leadingkeys.com/Check out Leadership ToolBox at: https://leadershiptoolbox.us/Contact HSCT for more information at 1-833-216-8296 to schedule a full DEMO of LeadingKeys with one of our team members.---Leadership ToolBox website: https://leadershiptoolbox.us/.Leadership ToolBox LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ldrshptlbx/.Leadership ToolBox YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@leadershiptoolbox/videosLeadership ToolBox Twitter: https://twitter.com/ldrshptlbx.Leadership ToolBox IG: https://www.instagram.com/leadershiptoolboxus/.Leadership ToolBox FB: https://www.facebook.com/LdrshpTl

Eye On The Market
The Thucydides cap on the China equity rebound trade

Eye On The Market

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2024 14:14


For participants in the China equity rebound trade: once you hit your return targets, take the money and run. Click here to read the full PDF and view the video.

Choses à Savoir
Pourquoi Hérodote est-il considéré comme le premier historien de l'histoire ?

Choses à Savoir

Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2024 2:33


Hérodote est souvent considéré comme le premier historien de l'histoire en raison de son œuvre monumentale, "Les Histoires", écrite au Ve siècle avant J.-C. Il est reconnu pour avoir établi un cadre méthodologique qui a influencé la manière d'écrire et d'analyser l'histoire. Voici les raisons principales pour lesquelles Hérodote est considéré comme le "père de l'histoire" : 1. Un récit systématique et globalAvant Hérodote, la mémoire des événements était souvent transmise oralement ou sous forme de récits mythologiques, légendaires ou poétiques, comme dans les épopées d'Homère. Ce qui distingue Hérodote, c'est sa volonté de produire un récit systématique des événements historiques, notamment des guerres médiques (les guerres entre les Grecs et les Perses), en essayant de relier les causes et les conséquences des actions humaines. Il ne se contente pas de relater des faits isolés, mais cherche à offrir une vue d'ensemble du monde connu à son époque, en incluant des descriptions géographiques, ethnographiques et culturelles des différentes civilisations qu'il mentionne. 2. Une approche d'enquête méthodiqueHérodote appelle son travail "Historia", un terme grec qui signifie "enquête" ou "recherche". Plutôt que de simplement rapporter des histoires ou des récits mythologiques, il cherche à vérifier les faits en interrogeant des témoins, en voyageant dans diverses régions, et en recueillant des informations auprès de différentes sources. Cette démarche de collecte et de vérification d'informations distingue Hérodote des conteurs de son époque. Certes, son approche n'était pas toujours rigoureuse selon les standards modernes, et il mêlait parfois faits et récits légendaires, mais il a été le premier à adopter une attitude critique envers ses sources, en distinguant ce qui lui semblait crédible de ce qui ne l'était pas. 3. L'étude des causes et des motivationsL'une des grandes innovations d'Hérodote est son souci d'expliquer les causes des événements historiques. Il ne se contente pas de raconter ce qui s'est passé, mais il s'efforce de comprendre pourquoi les choses se sont déroulées de cette manière. Par exemple, dans son récit des guerres médiques, il cherche à analyser les causes profondes du conflit entre les Perses et les Grecs, qu'il attribue à des motifs politiques, économiques, et à des différences culturelles. Cette recherche des causes et des conséquences est une caractéristique essentielle de l'historiographie moderne. 4. Un intérêt pour les différentes culturesHérodote ne se contente pas d'écrire l'histoire de la Grèce. Il s'intéresse aux autres peuples et civilisations du monde antique, notamment les Perses, les Égyptiens, les Scythes et les Lydiens. Il consacre de longues sections de son œuvre à la description de leurs coutumes, croyances et systèmes politiques. Cet aspect ethnographique de son travail a permis de donner une vue plus large et plus complète du monde de son temps, ce qui contribue à son statut de pionnier en tant qu'historien. 5. Hérodote comme modèle pour les historiens ultérieursBien que certains critiques anciens, comme Thucydide, aient reproché à Hérodote d'inclure des éléments trop légendaires ou anecdotiques dans ses récits, son influence a été immense. Son œuvre a servi de modèle aux historiens ultérieurs qui ont cherché à imiter sa méthode d'enquête et son intérêt pour l'explication des faits historiques. Hérodote a marqué le début de la tradition de l'histoire écrite, qui allait se développer avec des auteurs comme Thucydide et Polybe, puis, plus tard, dans la tradition de l'historiographie moderne. Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

Casting Through Ancient Greece
89: The Tenuous Truce

Casting Through Ancient Greece

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 23, 2024 41:06 Transcription Available


 What if the triumphs of a powerful city could gradually slip away? In this episode of Casting Through Ancient Greece, we explore how Athens' dominance began to erode, not through immediate disaster, but through a series of missteps and lost opportunities. Once at the height of its military and political influence, Athens' advantage waned as strategic errors and unsuccessful campaigns chipped away at its position. From remarkable victories, such as the capture of over 120 Spartiates, to the costly setback at the Battle of Delium.As we unravel the political turmoil within Athens, the spotlight is on Thucydides' trial and subsequent exile, a move driven by internal rivalries and the ambition of figures like Cleon. Explore the broader ramifications of Brasidas' triumphs, which sparked revolts and coerced Athens into a temporary truce with Sparta in 423 BC. We dissect the fragile peace terms, the breaches that ensued, and the precarious nature of maintaining a truce amidst the chaos of war. The political machinations and the struggle for control within Athens reveal the deep complexities and the relentless pressures of leadership during this tumultuous period.The episode culminates with a detailed look at the military and diplomatic maneuvers that defined this phase of the Peloponnesian War. Follow the Athenians' strategic repositioning to capture Mende and besiege Scione, supported by Perdiccas of Macedon who thwarted Spartan reinforcements. Uncover the shifting alliances within the Boeotian League and the regional conflicts that further complicated the war. From the failed Athenian attempts to reclaim territories to the nuanced interplay of power, this episode offers a comprehensive understanding of the intricate military strategies and political manoeuvres that shaped the course of this historical conflict. Support the show

Bloom Church Podcast
Hearing God - Week Two: HOW DO YOU HEAR GOD THROUGH HIS WORD?

Bloom Church Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 16, 2024 40:48


My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. John 10:27 NLT   HOW TO PARTICIPATE: 1. ATTEND WEEKEND SERVICES. 2. READ ALONG IN THE GUIDE EACH WEEK. 3. DISCUSS IN YOUR LIFE GROUP.    THE BETTER YOU KNOW GOD, THE BETTER YOU HEAR GOD.    1. THE BIBLE IS WRITTEN FOR US, NOT TO US.   You have been taught the holy Scriptures from childhood, and they have given you the wisdom to receive the salvation that comes by trusting in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. God uses it to prepare and equip his people to do every good work. 2 Timothy 3:15-17 NLT   And remember, our Lord's patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture… 2 Peter 3:15-16 NLT   For I know the plans I have for you,” says the Lord. “They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope. Jeremiah 29:11 NLT   2. THE BIBLE IS A LIBRARY, NOT A BOOK.   All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right. 2 Timothy 3:16 NLT   3. THE ACCURACY OF THE BIBLE IS BEYOND COMPREHENSION.     AUTHOR WRITTEN EARLIEST COPY TIMELINE # of MANUSCRIPTS Caesar 100-44 B.C.       900 A.D. 1,000 yrs 10 Plato 427-347 B.C.       900 A.D. 1200 yrs 7 Thucydides 460-400 B.C.       900 A.D. 1300 yrs 8 Tacitus 100 A.D.       1100 A.D. 1000 yrs 20 Suetonius 75-16 A.D.       950 A.D. 800 yrs 8 Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C.       400 A.D. 500 yrs 643 New Testament 40-100 A.D.       125 A.D. 25-50 yrs 24,000     4. THE WAY THE BIBLE POINTS TO THE PERSON OF JESUS      “You search the Scriptures because you think they give you eternal life. But the Scriptures point to me! Yet you refuse to come to me to receive this life. John 5:39-40 NLT     “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” Gandhi   …The scripture cannot be broken John 10:35 KJV   “We're going up to Jerusalem, where the Son of Man will be betrayed to the leading priests and the teachers of religious law. They will sentence him to die. Then they will hand him over to the Romans to be mocked, flogged with a whip, and crucified. But on the third day he will be raised from the dead.”. Matthew 20:18-19 NLT   Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, explaining from all the Scriptures the things concerning himself; Suddenly, their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And at that moment he disappeared! They said to each other, “Didn't our hearts burn within us as he talked with us on the road and explained the Scriptures to us?”  Luke 24:27;31-32 NLT   The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you. Romans 8:11 NLT

Nature and the Nation
Review: History of Political Philosophy (Thucydides) edited by Leo Strauss and Joseph Cropsey

Nature and the Nation

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 1, 2024 46:31


In this episode I revisit Thucydides as discussed by David Bolotin in the classic History of Political Philosophy edited by Leo Strauss and Joseph Cropsey. I focus on Alcibiades, Nicias, and the Sicilian Expedition.

Engines of Our Ingenuity
The Engines of Our Ingenuity 3075: Thucydides, Democracy, and Hope

Engines of Our Ingenuity

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 28, 2024 3:50


Episode: 3075 Thucydides, Democracy, and Hope.  Today, the problem of hope.

Nature and the Nation
Review: Thucydides on Justice, Power, and Human Nature edited by Paul Woodruff

Nature and the Nation

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2024 59:06


In this episode I look at the conflict between Democracy and Oligarchy in the Peloponnesian War as described by Thucydides and translated and abridged by Paul Woodruff.

Grim Dystopian
Richard "Yeti" Kirk

Grim Dystopian

Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2024 27:08


S10E280: Richard "Yeti" Kirk Our metal community has faced another heartbreaking loss with the passing of Richard ‘Yeti' Kirk last week. This episode is a tribute to Yeti, celebrating his musical endeavors and his unforgettable antics. Yeti is known for his ferocious death metal vocals, showcasing his talent in bands such as Skodag, Salt This Earth, and Abdicate. His latest project, Thy Hideous Wake, combines his vocals with drumming, deepening his roots in the extreme metal scene. Yeti found his rhythm when he began practicing drums regularly, thriving on the challenge of learning new songs. He would often reach out at ungodly hours asking us to suggest tracks for him to play. After some banter, during which he would dismiss our suggestions, he would select a song and share the video with us. The snippets featured in this episode come from a select few of his recordings. We're confident that many friends received these videos too! To those unfamiliar with him, Yeti might have seemed intimidating, but to his friends, he was a gentle giant, full of warmth and humor. His legacy will continue to resonate within our scene. Raise your glass (do not spill; he'd be pissed), share a memory, and toast to all that is Yeti. Here's to a man who was always larger than life - Richard. Please consider donating: GoFundMe (00:00:00) - Intro (00:00:57) - Opening quote: Thucydides (00:01:10) - Abdicate, SONG: Devoured  (00:04:47) - Skodag/Salt This Earth, SONG: Subsistence (00:09:44) - Abdicate, SONG: Forged in Ruin (00:12:48) - Skodag/Salt This Earth, SONG: Symbolize My Hate (00:14:55) - Abdicate, SONG: Ground Zero Brooklyn (Carnivore cover) (00:19:24) - Excerpt from The Last Breath of a Viking (00:19:37) - Abdicate, SONG: Cruel Vanquish (00:23:03) - Thy Hideous Wake, SONG: Cataclysmic Rebirth  

Tabadlab Presents...
Episode 207 - Is a Hezbollah-Israel War Imminent?

Tabadlab Presents...

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 19, 2024 43:33


In this episode, Uzair talks to Faysal Itani about the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. We talked about the current state of play, the strategic goals for both sides, and the role of the United States, Iran, and other powers. Faysal Itani is a Senior Director at the New Lines Institute for Strategy and Policy. He is also an adjunct professor of Middle East politics at Georgetown University. Itani was born in and grew up in Beirut, Lebanon, and has lived and worked in several Middle East countries. Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 1:45 Current state of play 21:10 Washington's appetite for regional conflict 29:10 Role of US politics and elections 33:25 Key risks to watch 37:40 Role of China and Russia 41:40 Reading recommendations Reading recommendations: - Warriors of God by Nicholas Blanford - The Iron Wall by Avi Shlaim - History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides

La Loupe
Naissance des épidémies : Athènes et le premier récit (3/5)

La Loupe

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2024 13:09


De la peste d'Athènes au Covid, en passant par la grippe espagnole et la variole en Egypte, les pandémies ont bouleversé notre histoire. Vous vous êtes peut-être déjà demandé d'où elles venaient... Nos très lointains ancêtres faisaient-ils eux aussi face à des virus et des bactéries ? Accompagnés du Pr Renaud Piarroux, chef de service à la Pitié Salpêtrière (AP-HP), spécialiste des maladies infectieuses, on se plonge dans l'histoire des épidémies, de la préhistoire à la fin de l'Antiquité. Aujourd'hui, on vous raconte la première épidémie décrite : la peste de Thucydide, à Athènes. Retrouvez tous les détails de l'épisode ici et inscrivez-vous à notre newsletter. L'équipe : Écriture et présentation : Charlotte BarisMontage : Léa BertrandRéalisation : Jules Krot Crédits : INA, HBO, Studiocanal, France 24, Cité des sciences et de l'industrie Musique et habillage : Emmanuel Herschon / Studio Torrent Logo : Anne-Laure Chapelain / Thibaut Zschiesche Pour nous écrire : laloupe@lexpress.fr Hébergé par Acast. Visitez acast.com/privacy pour plus d'informations.

Aspects of History
The Ancient Greeks with Oswyn Murray

Aspects of History

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 13, 2024 48:21


The Ancient Greeks are the font of all our historical knowledge. Now that's quite a claim, but the historian who joins to discuss makes a strong argument in his book, The Muse of History. Oswyn Murray is one of the country's finest ancient historians and in this chat, beginning with the Peloponnesian War between Athens & Sparta, many subjects are addressed including colonialism, slavery, the wonder of the ancient world, ancient historians fighting in WW1 and WW2 and why we should all learn an ancient language. Oswyn Murray Links The Muse of History: The Ancient Greeks from the Enlightenment to the Present Cover of Thomas Hobbes' translation of Thucydides' The History of the Peloponnesian War Aspects of History Links Latest Issue out - Annual Subscription to Aspects of History Magazine only $9.99/£9.99 Ollie on X Aspects of History on Instagram Get in touch: history@aspectsofhistory.com Check out Badlands Ranch: badlandsranch.com/AOH Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Endgame with Gita Wirjawan
Graham Allison: China-Russia Axis is US' Big Diplomacy Mistake | Endgame #186 (Luminaries)

Endgame with Gita Wirjawan

Play Episode Listen Later Jul 13, 2024 67:21


Thank you to The Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard Kennedy School for supporting this episode. Visit the link below to learn more about research, ideas, and leadership programs for a more peaceful world: https://www.belfercenter.org/ -------------------- In the 5th century BC, the Greek historian Thucydides chronicled the Peloponnesian War (431–404 BC), a conflict between Athens, a rising power, and Sparta, the established ruling power. Thucydides famously concluded that "it was the rise of Athens and the fear it instilled in Sparta that made war inevitable." Today, 2,400 years later, we face a similar situation: will a rising China and an uneasy America follow the same path? Can these two nations avoid falling into the 'Thucydides Trap'? #Endgame #GitaWirjawan #GrahamAllison -------------------- About Luminary: Graham Allison, former Director of Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, is a bestselling author of "Destined for War: America, China, and Thucydides's Trap" (2017). As the founding dean of the Harvard Kennedy School, Dr. Allison served as Assistant Secretary of Defense and advised defense secretaries from Reagan to Obama. He has received the Department of Defense's Distinguished Public Service Medal twice and serves on advisory boards for the Secretary of State and Secretary of Defense. About the Host: Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian entrepreneur, educator, and Honorary Professor of Politics and International Relations at the School of Politics and International Relations, University of Nottingham. He is also a visiting scholar at The Shorenstein Asia-Pacific Research Center (APARC) at Stanford University (2022—2024) and a fellow at Harvard Kennedy School's Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. -------------------- Get Prof. Allison's Books at Periplus Bookstore: https://www.periplus.com/p/9781911617303/?utm_source=EG https://www.periplus.com/p/9780262539500/?utm_source=EG https://www.periplus.com/p/9780805078527/?utm_source=EG -------------------- Earn a Master of Public Policy degree and be Indonesia's future narrator. More info: admissions@sgpp.ac.id https://admissions.sgpp.ac.id https://wa.me/628111522504 Visit and subscribe:  @SGPPIndonesia   @Endgame_Clips 

Historically Thinking: Conversations about historical knowledge and how we achieve it

Sometime around two and half millennia ago, a cluster of cities and states around the northeastern Mediterranean began to do amazing things. For some reason they began to spread out, establishing towns and outposts around the fringe of both the Mediterranean and the Black Seas. And as they sailed and traded in the outer world, they also began to explore with ever-increasing rigor their inner world, with a series of big questions which remain important to us even to this day. All the while, they competed feverishly with one another: in athletics, in war, in trade, in sex, in the arts, and in all the varieties of social life. These were the people we call the Greeks. But how did such a diversity of people gain a common title, or come to represent a common culture? Amongst their commonalities, what were their differences? And despite their often uncanny ability to think and act in ways that still make us feel a deep connection to them, how were they very different from us, and very similar to others of their own world? With me to survey the unities and diversities of the ancient Greeks is Jennifer Roberts, Professor of classics and history at the City College of New York and the City University of New York Graduate Center. Her many books include The Plague of War: Athens, Sparta, and the Struggle for Ancient Greece and Herodotus: A Very Short Introduction, both of which were the subject of previous conversations on this podcast. Her most recent book is Out of One, Many: Ancient Greek Ways of Thought and Culture, which is the subject of our conversation today. For Further Investigation Jennifer Roberts previous episodes were on the Peloponnesian War, and on the historian Herodotus. We've done a lot of episodes on Ancient Greece, enough for a mini-curriculum. Here is Paul Cartledge on Thebes; Andrew Bayliss on Sparta; and Bruce Clark on Athens (though admittedly little of that conversation was about ancient Athens). Chroma: Ancient Sculpture in Color I referred to my two conversations with Tom Holland, the first one concerning his book Dominion, and the second and most recent conversation about his book PAX. Hunter Rawlings, classicist and expert on Thucydides

Trails in the Pod
Ep. 81 -- The Melian Dialogue and Crossbell (Part 2)

Trails in the Pod

Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2024 56:04


Kevin and Colin conclude their read through and discussion of Thucydides' Melian Dialogue and discus how it can help us better understand Crossbell's political situation.

Trails in the Pod
Ep. 80 -- The Melian Dialogue and The Crossbell Trade Conference (Part 1)

Trails in the Pod

Play Episode Listen Later May 10, 2024 62:29


Colin and Kevin sit down and start a close reading of the Melian Dialogue, Thucydides' master work of political theory, in order to understand better the position Crossbell finds itself in during the Trade Conference.

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold
Liv Reads Thucydides: Classical Greece's Mythical History

Let's Talk About Myths, Baby! Greek & Roman Mythology Retold

Play Episode Listen Later May 3, 2024 35:19 Transcription Available


Liv reads a selection from Book 1, chapter 1 of Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War, translated by Richard Crawley. The ancient Athenian historian recounts the cultural "history" of the Bronze Age during the Classical period. Help keep LTAMB going by subscribing to Liv's Patreon for bonus content! This is not a standard narrative story episode, it's a reading of an ancient source, audiobook style. For regular episodes look for any that don't have "Liv Reads..." in the title! For a list of Roman/Latin names and who they were in the Greek, visit: mythsbaby.com/names Attributions and licensing information for music used in the podcast can be found here: mythsbaby.com/sources-attributions.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day for April 30, 2024 is: demagogue • DEM-uh-gahg • noun A demagogue is a political leader who tries to get support by making use of popular prejudices, as well as by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason. // His opponent called him a bigoted demagogue for demonizing those who don't intend to vote for him. See the entry > Examples: “You need an internal guidance system for making decisions. Without one, your choices become heavily influenced by external forces such as peers, television, and demagogues.” — Tom Muha, The Capital (Annapolis, Maryland), 2 Oct. 2021 Did you know? When the ancient Greeks used dēmagōgós (from dêmos, meaning “people,” and -agōgos, “leading”) they meant someone good—a leader who used outstanding oratorical skills to further the interests of the common people. The first known use of demagogue in English comes from the introduction to Thomas Hobbes's 1629 translation of a text by the ancient Greek historian Thucydides: “It need not be doubted, but from such a master Thucydides was sufficiently qualified, to have become a great demagogue, and of great authority with the people.” Alas, the word quickly took a negative turn; within decades it was being used to refer to someone who uses powers of persuasion to sway and mislead.

Have a Day! w/ The History Wizard
Day 7 - Justice Is Only a Concern Among Equals

Have a Day! w/ The History Wizard

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2024 20:52


Content warning for discussion of genocide. Hey, Hi, Hello, this is the History Wizard and welcome back for Day 7 of Have a Day w/ The History Wizard. Thank you to everyone who tuned in for Day 6 last week, and especially thank you to everyone who rated and/or reviewed the podcast. I hope you all learned something last week and I hope the same for this week. Speaking of weeks, we've finally hit our first week! Get it? This is episode 7, the episodes are called Days. There are 7 Days in a Week… I'm funny dammit! I've got something special for you starting at the end of Week 1. It's a new segment I'm going to call the Alchemist's Table. Every Day I'm going to be sharing with you a cocktail recipe that I have invented. If you enjoy a nice cocktail and you aren't driving to work feel free to make yourself one before sitting down for the rest of the episode. For Day 7 we're going to be enjoying the first cocktail I ever created. It's called A Taste of Spring. It starts with 2 oz of Gin, I prefer gunpowder gin, but a London Dry will work just fine. Followed by 1 oz of elderflower liquor, 1 oz of lavender syrup, stir for about 30 seconds in ice before straining into a rocks glass over ice. And that, my friends, is a Taste of Spring. Enjoy. Anyway, it's time to head back to the West, and for this episode we have to travel back in time to the 5th century BCE for the Siege of Melos during the Peloponnesian War. IN a modern historical context we look at the Peloponnesian War as being between Sparta and Athens, and while this isn't technically wrong, it's also not as right as it could be. The Peloponnesian War was fought between the Delian League, which was a confederacy of various Greek city-states with Atens in supreme control. The Delian League was created as a defensive alliance against the Persian Empire following the Second Persian Invasion of Greece (this is the invasion that included the famed Battle of Thermopylae). And the Peloponnesian League which was less a league and more an ancient world version of the Warsaw Pact, with Sparta (then called Lacadeamon) at the head with its various allied city states. See, around 550 BCE SParta got tired of having to conquer everyone and instead offered to NOT conquer them if they joined the League. The Delian League got its name from the island of Delos where they would meet and where their treasury was held before being moved to Athens in 454 BCE. The Peloponnesian League got IT'S name from the peninsula at the southern tip of Greece, which is known as the Peloponnese Peninsula. The Peloponnesian League is something of a misnomer as its membership was not limited to that area of Greece. But, I ramble, and so let us return to the Peloponnesian War. Why did Sparta and Athens, erstwhile allies against Xerxes I and the Persian Empire decide to go to war with each other? The period between the Second Persian Invasion of Greece and the Peloponnesian War is sometimes known as the Pentecontaetia, a term which means “a period of 50 years” which refers to the 48 year period between 479 and 431 BCE. The Pentecontaetia saw the rise of Athens as one of the most prominent Greek City States, it saw the rise of Athenian democracy, and it saw the rise of tensions between Sparta and Athens. You can look at this period as somewhat similar to the rising tensions between Rome and Carthage. Sparta HAD been the most powerful Greek city-state, and now suddenly they had a rival and didn't like that. Sparta was the Sasuke to Athens Naruto, the Vegeta to Athen's Goku. Following the flight of the Persian armies from Greece Athens began to rebuild the great walls around their city that had been lost to the Persian armies. Sparta, upon learning about this construction, asked them not to do that. But Athens rebuffed them, not wanting to put Athens effectively under the control of Sparta's massive army. Another way we can view Athens and Sparta through the lens of Carthage and Rome is that Athens was vastly superior at sea, and Sparta was vastly superior on land, just as Carthage and Rome were, respectively. I'm taking bets now on who is going to win this war, assuming you don't already know. These tensions, which were further exacerbated by a helot revolt within Sparta would explode, though not terribly violently, during a 15 year conflict known as the First Peloponnesian War. This first war would end with the signing of the Thirty Years Peace treaty. This treaty, which would only last for 15 years, would solidify the Athenian and Spartan Empires and would cement Athens as a true powerhouse in the Aegean Sea. Conflict between Athens and Corinth, a member of the Peloponnesian League, is what ultimately led to war. Athens and Corinth effectively fought a brief proxy war over control of the Corinthian colony of Potidea. Corinth, outraged that Athens had encouraged one of its colonies to rebel against their authority, urged Sparta to call a conclave to try and arbitrate peace as was stipulated under the Thirty Years Peace.  The Spartan King Archidamus II urged the Spartan magistrates (known as ephor) and the citizen assembly known as the ecclesia not to go to war, but in the end the assembly determined that Athens, in urging Potidea to rebel against one of their allies and then aiding them in the fight for the city had broken the Peace and war was officially declared in 431 BCE. The Second Peloponnesian War had begun. The Second Peloponnesian War, often known as just the Peloponnesian War, can be broken up into three distinct segments. The Archidamian War, The Sicilian Expedition, and the Decelean War. The first 10 years of the war are sometimes also called the Ten Years War. Sparta was, almost entirely, a land based empire. The Spartan Army was the most feared and one of the best trained armies of the ancient world. Their hoplites and their phalanxes were nearly invincible. Meanwhile Athens had the same prestige on the waves. The Battle of Salamis in 480 BCE, though discussed far less frequently than the concurrent Battle of Thermopylae, is no less impressive a feat of military genius. So the Spartan strategy during the beginning of the war was to march its armies to the land around the city state of Athens and seize them. This caused many Athenian farmers to abandon their farms and retreat behind Athens famous Long Walls. The Long Walls were fortified walls that connected Athens' main city to its ports at Piraeus and Phaleron. So despite the loss of farmland around Athens itself, this siege did basically nothing. Sparta was also only able to keep troops on the field for a few weeks at a time, as the hoplites were still needed to harvest their own fields and troops were always needed to keep the helots in line. The longest siege of the Ten Years War was only 40 days. Meanwhile Athens stayed in the Aegean Sea with their fleet, avoiding any open warfare with the Spartans who were unable to breach their walls anyway. The Athenians had great successes in their early naval battles, including the Battle of Naucaptus where 20 Athenian ships went up  against 77 Peloponnesian ships and emerged victorious. Of course, all of Athen's momentum would come to a screeching and screaming halt when th plague hit in 430 BCE. The Plague of Athens was an interesting facet of the war. While some Athenians believed that the Spartans were the cause of the plague, evidenced they said by the fact that the Spartans were unaffected by it, but Thucydides, author the the famous History of the Peloponnesian War was in the city when the plague hit. He even contracted it and survived his illness. Thucydides says that the plague came from Ethiopia as it appeared to have entered Athens along the Long Wall from the port of Piraeus. There's not much in the way of evidence regarding WHAT exactly the plague was, although Thucydides listed out a large number of symptoms that victims experienced including: Fever, Redness and inflammation in the eyes, Sore throats leading to bleeding and bad breath, Sneezing, Loss of voice, Coughing, Vomiting, Pustules and ulcers on the body, Extreme thirst, Insomnia, Diarrhea, Convulsions, and Gangrene. Modern epidemiologists and paleopathologists believe, based on extensive examination of all the available evidence that the plague was likely either smallpox or typhus, although it's unlikely that we'll ever know for certain. The plague had a massive impact on the course of the war. For one, it killed Pericles, the Athenian statesman and strategos of the Athenian military. It also killed over 30,000 people, made foreign mercenaries unwilling to aid Athens, no matter how much they were offered as they did not want to risk getting sick, the plague even halted any Spartan military action in Attica until it was finished as the Spartans also feared the disease. Even with the loss of Pericles Athens continued to have success on sea as well as on land through the efforts of their commanders Demosthenes and Cleon. They started to put cracks in the Spartan armies image of invincibility until the Spartans captured Amphipolis, a silver mine that supplied much of the Athenian war chest in 424 BCE. In 422 a great battle was fought at Amphipolis which saw both Cleon, and the Spartan general Brasidas killed. The loss of these military commanders would see Athens and Sparta sit down to try and negotiate peace.  The Peace of Nicias would be a failure from the very start. Despite it, nominally, declaring peace between Sparta and Athens, despite PoWs being exchanged and control over territories ceded back to those who originally owned them, the Peace of Nicias was something of a joke. Sparta and Athens entered something of a Cold War. They didn't fight against each other specifically, but Athens spent a LOT of time trying to stir up helot revolts and encourage Spartan allies to revolt against them in order to gain greater autonomy under Athenian democracy.  Something that is interesting to note, is that despite the single largest land battle of the Peloponnesian War taking place in 418 BCE, the Peace wasn't formally abandoned, and war declared again between Athens and Sparta until 214 BCE. The Battle of Mantinea was fought between Sparta and some of its Arcadian allies on one side, and the combined might of Argos, Athens, Mantinea and various Arcadian allies of Argos. The battle, which involved nearly 20,000 troops combined, ended with a Spartan victory and saw a reversal of previous trends. After the Spartan loss at the Battle of Pylos in 425 BCE many began to think of the Spartans as weak and cowardly, but Mantinea reversed that thinking very quickly. The Siege of Melos, the true subject of this episode, also took place during the Peace of Nicias. Athenian aggression against Melos began about 10 years before the Siege. Melos was a small island about 68 miles off the Eastern coast of Greece. Small islands, due to their reliance on navies, were generally allies of Athens who had uncontested control of the seas. Melos though, decided to remain neutral. They were ethnically Dorian, same as the Spartans (the Athenians were ethnically Ionian). In 425 Athens demanded that Melos pay them a 15 talents (about 390 kgs) of silver. Melos refused. They were determined to remain neutral (although there is pretty good evidence that they donated 20 minas (about 12.5 kgs) of silver to the Spartan war effort. In 216 BCE Athens once again went to Melos and demanded that Melos join the Delian League and pay tribute. Melos again refused. Thucydides wrote a dramatization of conversation between Athenian embassies and the leaders of Melos in his Histories (Book 5, Chapters 84–116). The Melian Dialogue is one of the earliest events I learned about during undergrad when I took a class on the History of Just War. I need to go off on a slight tangent here. When I took this class there was this one guy, whose name I never learned. He was jacked as hell and always showed up to class double fisting iced coffees from Starbucks. Now this class was built around a questionL “Is there such a thing as a Just War?”, but apparently this dude never read the syllabus because about 3 weeks into class he asks “When are we gonna get to the battles?” See, he thought it was History of Just War, just meaning only. He thought it was a military history class, not a class on moral philosophy seen through the context of war. I'm pretty sure he got an A though… Anyway, back to Melos. It's unlikely that the conversation Thucydides wrote out is how it played out in real life, though given the Athenian love of oration and speeches, he's probably not TOO far off the mark. I'm going to read you a part of the Melian Dialogue: Athenians. For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretences- either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us- and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must. Melians. As we think, at any rate, it is expedient- we speak as we are obliged, since you enjoin us to let right alone and talk only of interest- that you should not destroy what is our common protection, the privilege of being allowed in danger to invoke what is fair and right, and even to profit by arguments not strictly valid if they can be got to pass current. And you are as much interested in this as any, as your fall would be a signal for the heaviest vengeance and an example for the world to meditate upon. Athenians. The end of our empire, if end it should, does not frighten us: a rival empire like Lacedaemon, even if Lacedaemon was our real antagonist, is not so terrible to the vanquished as subjects who by themselves attack and overpower their rulers. This, however, is a risk that we are content to take. We will now proceed to show you that we are come here in the interest of our empire, and that we shall say what we are now going to say, for the preservation of your country; as we would fain exercise that empire over you without trouble, and see you preserved for the good of us both. Melians. And how, pray, could it turn out as good for us to serve as for you to rule? Athenians. Because you would have the advantage of submitting before suffering the worst, and we should gain by not destroying you. Melians. So that you would not consent to our being neutral, friends instead of enemies, but allies of neither side. Athenians. No; for your hostility cannot so much hurt us as your friendship will be an argument to our subjects of our weakness, and your enmity of our power. Melians. Is that your subjects' idea of equity, to put those who have nothing to do with you in the same category with peoples that are most of them your own colonists, and some conquered rebels? Athenians. As far as right goes they think one has as much of it as the other, and that if any maintain their independence it is because they are strong, and that if we do not molest them it is because we are afraid; so that besides extending our empire we should gain in security by your subjection; the fact that you are islanders and weaker than others rendering it all the more important that you should not succeed in baffling the masters of the sea. See, Athens refused to allow Melos to remain neutral because they believed that, if they allowed this small, weak nation to live independent of their might that they would soon find themselves overrun with rebellion as all others would see Athens let Melos go free and see Athens as weak, as if they somehow feared fighting Melos. So, pragmatically, it would be better for them to kill all the Melians to maintain their image as strong than it would be for them to simply leave Melos be. Despite their claim to democracy, Athens was very much of the opinion that might made right. The strong take what they can and the weak suffer as they must. This was, more or less the beginning of Just War theory, as it was one of the first time that justice, fairness, and rightness was discusses in the context of war. Just War Theory, by the way, is generally made up of three elements. Jus ad bellum, do you have just reasons for going to war? Jus in bello, is your conduct during war just? And a more modern addition, jus post bellum, is your conduct after the war is over also just? Melos, ultimately, refused to surrender to Athens and, indeed, tried to fight against their armies and ultimately failed. The siege lasted from summer of 416 until the winter and ended with Melos surrendering. Athens, in a very Genghis Khan esque move decided to kill every adult man on Melos and sell all of the women and children into slavery. This form of genocide where one particular gender is targeted is common in old world genocides. Very often it is the men, those who could join opposing militaries who would be targeted for the slaughter although Shaka Zulu was infamous for killing all the women and folding the men into his armed forces during his conquests. The genocide of Melos wasn't an attempt to wipe out an ethnicity, Melians being Dorian just like the Spartans. It WAS, however, intended to destroy the people of Melos, and it succeeded. The Peloponnesian War would continue until 404 BCE and would end with a Spartan victory, partially through aid gained from the Achaemenid Dynasty from Persia and some from Alcibiades of Athens, but the war isn't the important part and so we will ignore the final 12 years of it. That's it for this week. No new reviews, so let's jump right into the outro. Have a Day! w/ The History Wizard is brought to you by me, The History Wizard. If you want to see/hear more of me you can find me on Tiktok @thehistorywizard or on Instagram @the_history_wizard. Please remember to rate, review, and subscribe to Have a Day! On your pod catcher of choice. The more you do, the more people will be able to listen and learn along with you. Thank you  for sticking around until the end and, as always, Have a Day.    

Athens Corner
Thucydides, Nietzsche, and Plutarch

Athens Corner

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 28, 2024 230:24


This is my entire discussion of the opening to Thucydides's Peloponnesian War for the Technology & Nihilism series on my website (AthensCorner.com).  In this recording I read in its entirety, and discuss in very meticulous detail, the first twenty-two paragraphs of Thucydides's Peloponnesian War (commonly referred to as "the Archaeology" of the text).  At issue is just how much we as default postmoderns still have so very much to learn from what Thucydides has to teach us, particularly regarding his thematic treatment of what we think of today as technology and, just as importantly, how technology relates to and defines man in political community.  In presenting this teaching, I go into great detail about the following, along with quite a bit more (!!!):1.) The relationship between Thucydides, Nietzsche, and Heidegger, which itself unfolds into a discussion of the relationship between Thucydides and Homer, Thucydides and Plato and Aristotle, and Thucydides and Plutarch. 2.) The difference between Thucydides's understanding of history, our own current understanding of scientific history, so-called philosophies of history, and how what we refer to as technology is definitive of the difference between Thucydides and our postmodern understandings of each of those latter two conceptions.3.) The meaning and the significance of greatness and Greekness for Thucydides, and how it is to be understood in distinction from barbarism.4.) The meaning and significance of the achievement of Athens in relationship to the rest of Greece and especially Sparta for Thucydides.5.) The relationship between custom or law ("nomos") and nature ("phusis") in the meaning of the Greek accomplishment for Thucydides as it unfolds into the relationship between images and mind for the Greeks as seen in, for instance, the art of the Parthenon Frieze. 

The Greek Current
Thucydides, NATO, and the new era of great power politics

The Greek Current

Play Episode Listen Later Apr 9, 2024 10:16


The last decade Thucydides has moved to the center of the discussion, with concepts like the “Thucydides trap” debated in policy circles in Washington, DC when looking at how to navigate US relations with a rising China in what appears to be a new era of great power competition. So what can Thucydides tell us about our world today? This was the focus of a recent event in Athens at the Institute of International Relations featuring Professor Andrew Novo, a scholar of ancient and modern Mediterranean history and strategic studies. Andrew Novo joins Thanos Davelis to look at the lessons we should take away from Thucydides in a changing world.Andrew Novo is Professor of Strategic Studies at the National Defense University in Washington, DC. He also teaches as an adjunct at Georgetown's Walsh School of Foreign Service, is a non-resident fellow with the Center for European Policy's Transatlantic Defense and Security program, and is the author of numerous books, including “Restoring Thucydides: Testing Familiar Lessons and Deriving New Ones”. All views expressed in this interview are his own and don't reflect the views of the US government.You can read the articles we discuss on our podcast here:We have good allies: Allies and decisions for war and peace in ThucydidesCyprus president and Lebanese caretaker premier urge EU financial aid to curb migration from LebanonGreece Invests Over €2 Billion to Fight Climate Change Effects

Infinite Loops
Brendan McCord — AI and the Philosophy of Technology

Infinite Loops

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2024 98:39


Brendan McCord is the founder of Cosmos Institute — a non-profit dedicated to exploring the intersection of AI and philosophy. Brendan joins the show to discuss Cosmos' origins, the pursuit of philosophy as a technologist, the different schools of thought in AI, complex adaptive systems and MUCH more! Important Links: Brendan McCord's Reading List Cosmos Institute Substack Brendan's Twitter Show Notes: The Genesis of the Cosmos Institute Philosophy as a Quixotic Pursuit The Man of the System Dilemma Existential Risk & Scenario Agnosticism The AI Schools of Thought The Religious Nature of the E/Acc Movement What Tocqueville Can Teach Us About AI The Philosophy-to-Code Pipeline “Cars ignited the Sexual Revolution” and Other Unexpected Occurrences The Best Systems are Adaptive Heterogeneity & Resilient Systems Open Source and the US-China Situation Automation, Augmentation & Open-Ended Generation The Underrated Nuance of Russian Realism Cinematic Visions of the Future Great Talent & the Risk of the Tasmanian Devil Brendan as Emperor of the World MORE! Books Mentioned: Murray Rothbard, “For A New Liberty” David R. Hawkins, “Power vs. Force” Jung Chang, “Wild Swans: Three Daughters of China” Jung Chang, “Mao: The Unknown Story” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, “The Gulag Archipelago” Arthur Koestler, “Darkness At Noon” Adam Smith, “The Theory of Moral Sentiments” Lewis Carroll, “Alice's Adventures in Wonderland” Lewis Carroll, “What the Tortoise Said To Achilles” Eliezer Yudkowsky, “Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality” Marc Andreessen, “The Techno-Optimist Manifesto” Alexis De Tocqueville, “Democracy in America” 'Pericles's Funeral Oration' quoted in Thucydides' “History of the Peloponnesian War”. Plato, “Theaetetus” Plato, “The Republic” Nietzsche, “The Gay Science” C.P Snow, “The Two Cultures” Elinor Ostrom, “Governing the Commons: The Evolution of Institutions for Collective Action” James M. Buchanan, "Freedom in Constitutional Contract: Perspectives of a Political Economist” Iain M. Banks, “Consider Phlebas” (Culture Series #1) Chen Qiufan and Kai-Fu Lee, “AI 2041: Ten Visions for Our Future” Christopher Buckley, “Thank You for Smoking” John Stuart Mill, “On Liberty”

The Ancient Art of Modern Warfare
Thucydudes and the Ancient Art of Modern Warfare

The Ancient Art of Modern Warfare

Play Episode Listen Later Mar 21, 2024 7:46


“The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.” So begins L.P. Hartley's book, The Go-Between. Although the way people do things changes over time, what they do remains largely the same. War and politics are human endeavors, and human nature is unchanging. It should be no surprise, therefore, that the nature of war and politics is also unchanging. That is the point of these podcasts. The first objective history of war, the war between Athens and Sparta in the 5th century BC was chronicled by the Greek general Thucydides. Although the way the armies and navies fought then are much different than today, the overall campaigns and reasons for those campaign are strikingly similar to modern strategy. Thucydides' observations provide lessons for us, even today, if we are just willing to learn from them. This why his work is still studied in our war colleges.   Music: Rodgers and R.R. Bennett, Fire on the Water/Victory at Sea Suite (Public Domain/Fair use for educational purposes)   Traditional, The Army Strings, Garryowen (Public Domain)   Copland, A. & United States Marine Band. (2000) Fanfare for the Common Man. unpublished, Washington, DC. [Audio] Retrieved from the Library of Congress, (Fair use for educational purposes.)

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Gullible's Travels? An Introduction to Herodotus with Dr. Ken Bratt (Ad Navseam, Episode 141)

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Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2024 70:22


This week Dave and Jeff welcome back into the studio (this guy's becoming a regular!) our longtime friend, mentor, former colleague, and teacher, the inestimable Ken Bratt. You may know him from such episodes as "From there We Travelled to Philippi" (46), and, "A Visit to the Roman Catacombs" (76). For this go 'round, Ken reaches back into the more distant, misty past, as he talks a little about why he chose Herodotus for his doctoral dissertation at Princeton. Using a 1968 article by J.A.S. Evans entitled, "Father of History or Father of Lies: The Reputation of Herodotus", Ken leads us through questions of Herodotus' purpose, methods, theism, charm, and style. Was the man of Halicarnassus a mere credulous stooge, or is there something deeper going on? Does he really deserve such negative comparisons to Thucydides? And what about the urination practices of Egyptians? Tune in for this and more.

The Victor Davis Hanson Show
Modern Epidemiology, Ancient History

The Victor Davis Hanson Show

Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2024 100:28


In this weekend episode, Victor Davis Hanson interviews Dr. Steven Quay on the latest news on disease, explains the works and methods of Herodotus and Thucydides, and reviews the new movie "Napoleon."See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Daily Poem
Anne Bradstreet's "To My Dear and Loving Husband"

The Daily Poem

Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2024 7:20


Anne Bradstreet was the first woman to be recognized as an accomplished New World Poet. Her volume of poetry The Tenth Muse Lately Sprung Up in America ... received considerable favorable attention when it was first published in London in 1650. Eight years after it appeared it was listed by William London in his Catalogue of the Most Vendible Books in England, and George III is reported to have had the volume in his library. Bradstreet's work has endured, and she is still considered to be one of the most important early American poets.Although Anne Dudley Bradstreet did not attend school, she received an excellent education from her father, who was widely read— Cotton Mather described Thomas Dudley as a "devourer of books"—and from her extensive reading in the well-stocked library of the estate of the Earl of Lincoln, where she lived while her father was steward from 1619 to 1630. There the young Anne Dudley read Virgil, Plutarch, Livy, Pliny, Suetonius, Homer, Hesiod, Ovid, Seneca, and Thucydides as well as Spenser, Sidney, Milton, Raleigh, Hobbes, Joshua Sylvester's 1605 translation of Guillaume du Bartas's Divine Weeks and Workes, and the Geneva version of the Bible. In general, she benefited from the Elizabethan tradition that valued female education. In about 1628—the date is not certain—Anne Dudley married Simon Bradstreet, who assisted her father with the management of the Earl's estate in Sempringham. She remained married to him until her death on September 16, 1672. Bradstreet immigrated to the new world with her husband and parents in 1630; in 1633 the first of her children, Samuel, was born, and her seven other children were born between 1635 and 1652: Dorothy (1635), Sarah (1638), Simon (1640), Hannah (1642), Mercy (1645), Dudley (1648), and John (1652).Although Bradstreet was not happy to exchange the comforts of the aristocratic life of the Earl's manor house for the privations of the New England wilderness, she dutifully joined her father and husband and their families on the Puritan errand into the wilderness. After a difficult three-month crossing, their ship, the Arbella, docked at Salem, Massachusetts, on July 22, 1630. Distressed by the sickness, scarcity of food, and primitive living conditions of the New England outpost, Bradstreet admitted that her "heart rose" in protest against the "new world and new manners." Although she ostensibly reconciled herself to the Puritan mission—she wrote that she "submitted to it and joined the Church at Boston"—Bradstreet remained ambivalent about the issues of salvation and redemption for most of her life.-bio via Poetry FoundationFor further reading: a picture book about Bradstreet by one of her descendants Get full access to The Daily Poem Podcast at dailypoempod.substack.com/subscribe

Ricochet Podcast
The Spartan Lifestyle

Ricochet Podcast

Play Episode Listen Later Sep 22, 2023 60:56


In a world gone mad, there's something comforting about turning attention to crazier days that somebody else had to suffer through. TikTok informs us that the boys are thinking an awful lot about Rome, we grownups are joined by Hillsdale College's Paul Rahe to learn about proxy war, ancient and modern. He helps Peter, James and Rob connect the dots between Sparta's success in bleeding the Athenians in Sicily to the machinations of the global superpowers in the 20th Century on to today. Listen in to understand how a foreign policy that fails to take Thucydides into account is doomed. (Be sure to preorder your copy of Dr. Rahe's Sparta's Sicilian Proxy War: The Grand Strategy of Classical Sparta.)Also enjoy some good ole fashioned rants about the state of emergency on our border; and which Monty Python star James got to gab with in London.