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Care about the future of the LCMS?Join the LCMS Current! (LCMS Current Events Newsletter)Dr. Bruce Hartung joins Tim Ahlman and Jack Kalleberg to unpack new Wellspring research examining the health of senior pastor–associate pastor relationships across the LCMS—and some of the findings are genuinely surprising. See the results here Then the conversation turns to one of the LCMS's most debated subjects: pastoral formation. According to the data examined in this cohort, researchers found no statistically significant difference between traditional/residential and SMP pastors on the outcomes measured—including senior pastors' willingness to recommend associates for future senior-pastor roles. What should that mean for the church's ongoing conversation about pastoral formation, SMP, mentorship, and the development of future leaders?Support the show⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️Care about the future of the LCMS?Join the LCMS Current! (LCMS Current Events Newsletter)⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️To learn more, visit uniteleadership.org
In this episode of the Tim Ahlman Podcast, Tim sits down with Dr. Bruce Hartung—former seminary professor, counselor, and expert in family systems—to unpack one of the biggest challenges facing the Church today: polarization, anxiety in leadership, breakdown of empathy, and the subtle ways spiritual warfare is dividing believers.Drawing from decades of experience in pastoral care and leadership development, Dr. Hartung explains why:- Pastors today feel like they have a “target on their back”- Political identity is reshaping theological conversations- “Neural overload” is exhausting our ability to love people well- And why triangulation (gossip) is quietly destroying church unityThis conversation dives deep into family systems theory, anxious leadership, and the call for Christians to become truly countercultural—not just in belief, but in behavior.If you care about the future of the Church, pastoral health, or navigating conflict with wisdom and love—this episode is essential.Support the showWatch Us On Youtube! Stay up to date by Joining the LCMS Current!(LCMS Current Events Newsletter)https://www.uniteleadership.org/thelcmscurrent
Bruce Hartung
Bruce Hartung
Bruce Hartung