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What do a Muslim activist and a Catholic monk have in common? It’s not a joke, it’s a podcast. We are two men with wildly different religious, political, and social convictions seeking mutual understanding. The point is dialogue.

Umar Lee and Augustine Wetta


    • Jun 1, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • monthly NEW EPISODES
    • 35m AVG DURATION
    • 28 EPISODES


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    THE POPECAST!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 1, 2025 50:22


    Umar and Augustine meet in front of the Pope's old novitiate in Saint Louis to meet with eminent local historian Christian Naffziger to discuss the neighborhood, gentrification, French people, Duke Ferdinand, flat earthers, confederate monuments, and pretty much anything Fr. Augustine's A.D.D. can sneak in...

    CYCLONECLAVE!

    Play Episode Listen Later May 19, 2025 45:16


    While the boys discuss the newly elected pope, a massive tornado rips through Saint Louis!

    SPECIAL EDITION: THE PAPAL "ENCLAVE"

    Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2025 54:04


    Umar and Augustine choose the next Pope…in their own special “Papal Enclave.”

    Season 2 Episode 1: Umar Goes to Priory

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2023 38:02


    Umar visits Father Augustine's Sexual Ethics Class and answers questions: What is Truth?What is Reality?What is evil?What is sin?Can god change the “rules” of ethics if he wants to?Are human beings basically good or basically bad?What is a human being/What does it mean to be human?Does the world need a code of sexual ethics?What is the role of women in Islam?How does the Koran define chastity and how does a Muslim man approach it?How does Islam approach the topic of artificial contraception?How does Islam advise homosexuals to be chaste?Do you believe that homosexuals should have the option of being legally married?How does Islam/the Koran address the topic of homosexuality?Are there elements of Catholic sexual ethics that you find off-putting or just plane wrong?Why did you convert to Islam?How do most Muslims think of Catholics (in your opinion)?Where (in your opinion) did Catholicism (and/or Christianity) go wrong?Is there anything you admire about the Catholic Church?What should America learn from Islam?Do Muslims believe in Hell?  If so, what sort of sins can land you in HellDo you believe that living with your intended spouse before getting married is justifiable?Why do human beings have bodies?

    Disagreement Theme Song

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2023 2:11


    Father Augustine downloaded royalty-free Gregorian Chant (The Dies Irae) and Ramadan music, spliced them together on Garage Band, and here it is: the complete theme song--beginning to end.

    Season Finale 3 (of 3)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2023 24:42


    In the exciting finale to the finale to the first season...the boys discuss great books, the World Cup, and America's lost moral authority.

    Season Finale 2 (of 3)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 2, 2023 31:03


    The guys discuss the archaeology of Israel, how to eat dog, and inter religious dialogue.

    Season Finale 1 (of 3)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2023 34:02


    Auschwitz, Antisemitism, and Israel

    12.3 Umar Becomes a Traditionalist Catholic

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2022 31:07


    Umar and Augustine talk liturgy...and other things.

    Episode 12.2: Umar Makes a Big Announcement

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2022 25:18


    Umar makes a big announcement and the boys talk about saints.

    Episode 12.1: Umar Goes to Mass

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2022 27:00


    The guys discuss Catholicism, Catholic v. Protestant liturgy, divorce, and slavery...whew!

    Episode 11: Far Right Catholicism

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2022 105:11


    Umar Lee and Father Augustine interview a self-professed "reactionary conservative" priest--and things get a little crazy!

    Episode 10.4 SPECIAL EDITION: Ismail Royer cont'd...

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 28, 2022 50:57


    Umar and Father Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 4

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    Episode 10.3 SPECIAL EDITION: Ismail Royer cont'd...

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 26, 2022 27:57


    Umar and Father Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 3

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    Episode 10.2 SPECIAL EDITION: Ismail Royer cont'd...

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 25, 2022 33:24


    Umar and Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 2

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    Episode 10.1 SPECIAL EDITION: Ismail Royer

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 25, 2022 32:54


    Umar and Augustine interview convicted terrorist turned religious freedom advocate, Ismail Royer...Part 1

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    EPISODE 9: Politics and Dating Advice

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 14, 2022 27:56


    The boys discuss politics as fornication, Hilary Clinton and Pat Bucanan, Father Augustine gets the number of Supreme Court justices wrong, and Umar gives dating advice to our listeners...

    EPISODE 8: Umar and Augustine finally disagree!

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 7, 2022 29:51


    The boys talk about pro-life, pro-choice, pro-Trump, and the "Insurrection"

    Episode 7: POP CULTURE

    Play Episode Listen Later May 26, 2022 38:24


    Father Augustine and Umar discuss pop culture, contraception, Pope John XXIII and fat saints...

    Episode 6: Lent, Ramadan, and a Special Guest

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2022 40:44


    Father Augustine explains Lent...and midway through, a special guest arrives! Then on to Critical Race Theory, shifting norms, trophy wives, trophy husbands, and what constitutes "attractive" in America, among other things.

    Episode 5: Ramadan vs. Lent

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2022 38:58


    Ramadan vs Lent...plus terrorism, a bad word for Catholics, and we plan a paintball crusade: Muslims vs. Catholics!

    Disagreement: The Slap Heard Round the World

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 14, 2022 43:39


    Father Augustine slaps Umar! Just kidding. Instead, they discuss the Oscars, the state of Marriage in America, and what it means to be a man.

    Episode3: Conservatives and Liberals

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 2, 2022 30:48


    We talk about the "vocation crisis", the decline of the Church in Ireland (and Islam in SIria), conservatives vs. liberals, and so on...

    Disagreement 1.0 - The Sex Episode

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2021 46:01


    Father Augustine and Umar discus sex, celibacy, polygamy, feminism, the Incel movement, Dave Chapelle, The Decline and Fall of Mars Hill...and more!

    BONUS EPISODE 2: The Disagreement Manifesto

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2021 2:23


    Father Augustine Wetta and Umar Lee read "The Disagreement Manifesto" The purpose of the podcast is not to convince, convert, propagandize or win. Unlike other podcasts, we are two men with wildly different religious, political, and social convictions seeking mutual understanding. The point is dialogue. The opinions expressed in this podcast are exactly that. While our religious convictions inform these opinions, neither of us claims to present an infallible—or even an accurate—representation of the dogmas or defenses of our respective faiths. We try to be true to our respective traditions, but if listeners are seeking apologetic or dogmatic expositions, they are invited to look elsewhere. Why does the world need this podcast? Because we've got enough outrage, conflict, competition, and contempt in the media. We feel that the world could use an example of civil dialogue—conversation, as opposed to debate.* *Not that there's anything wrong with debate. The world needs provocateurs, agitators, debates, and protests. That's just not what we're doing here. With that in mind we: 1. Will not use notes or electronic devices during the podcast. Otherwise, it just becomes a battle of the cell phones. (Listeners can ‘fact check' if they like. In fact, we encourage you to do so in the comments section. As for us, we trust that one another's facts are exactly that.) 2. We will feel free to tease one another, but never disrespect or dismiss. 3. We will seek first to understand rather than to be understood.

    BONUS EPISODE 1: When Umar Met Augustine

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2021 33:10


    In a talk to the Catholic Deacons of Saint Louis, Father Augustine gives his perspective on the racial tensions in Ferguson and tells the story of how he first met Umar Lee.

    Introducing Disagreement, Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2021 27:52


    In this episode, Father Augustine introduces himself...and we throw in just the tiniest bit of provocative content.

    Introducing Disagreement, Part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 5, 2021 20:28


    In this episode, Umar introduces himself, and we throw in just the tiniest bit of provocative content.

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