Heart of the Enneagram

Sandra and Chris reflect on the wisdom gleaned from leaders in Season 6 and offer an overview of the gifts and sensibilities of each Enneagram type as it relates to leadership.

Join Sandra and Chris as they talk with Vance Brown, who leads with Enneagram type Three.  Vance shares the ways in which his type shows up in his leadership role as a high-tech CEO.

Learn about the gifts and challenges of a type Eight leader as Chris and Sandra talk with non-profit co-director and NC Senator Julie Mayfield.

Listen as Chris and Sandra talk with Bill Toth who leads with Enneagram type Six. Bill shares how his Enneagram type has influenced the ways in which he leads in his diverse professional background in global security.

 How do a type One and type Three co-lead a team?  Find out as Chris and Sandra talk with Elizabeth Sawin & Drew Jones, Co-founders of Climate Interactive. Beth and Drew share the insights they have gleaned from years of co-leading and how their leadership styles relate to their Enneagram Types. 

Micky ScottBey Jones, a womanist, faith-rooted contemplative activist, movement chaplain, nonviolence practitioner, and justice doula, shares how her leadership is informed and impacted by her Enneagram Type 1.

Sandra and Chris reflect on the wisdom gleaned from elders in Season 5 and ask each other what they would say to their 25 year old self.

Sandra Maitri shares her wisdom of eastern and western spiritualities and her journey learning the Enneagram in the 1970s from Claudio Naranjo and leading with type Two.

Jeanette Stokes shares how the Enneagram has influenced her understanding of her vocational journey resourcing women in ministry.

Sheryl Cohen reflects on her experience of the Enneagram as a clinical psychologist and spiritual seeker.

Chris and Sandra talk with Billy Vaughn, a retired member of the faculty at Memphis Theological Seminary, about the gift of Enneagram Type 9 and how he has worked with it over his life.

Barbara Brown Taylor is the New York Times bestselling author of An Altar in the World, Learning to Walk in the Dark, and Holy Envy: Finding God in the Faith of Others. She has been an Avon lady, a cocktail waitress, a horseback riding instructor, and a hospital chaplain, but her favorite job was teaching world religions at Piedmont College for twenty years before putting the chalk down in 2017. She now divides her time between writing, speaking, and caring for the land on which she lives. Barbara and her husband Ed tend a small farm in the foothills of the Appalachians.

In the first episode of our season elder wisdom, Professor Emeritus Luther E. Smith, Jr. offers reflections about spirituality, racism, justice, and leading life as an Enneagram Type 9.

In this final episode of Season 4, Chris and Sandra reflect on a question about what it means to know that all Enneagram types are inherently worthy and have access to abundance, which allows all of us to have an Open Heart.

Sandra and Chris explore a question about how type changes over time by interviewing two guests at different life stages who both lead with type 4 - Asher Walker-Wilson and Ed Hillman.

Those who are learning about the Enneagram often ask, "I know my type - now what?" Sandra and Chris talk about practices for each of the Enneagram types that help engender growth by moving counter-instinctively.

Sandra and Chris explore the intersection of the Enneagram with race and culture in conversation with guest, Kevin Young, employee relations manager at the Biltmore Company in Asheville, NC.

Chris and Sandra dispel some of the common misunderstandings of Enneagram types, in order to help deepen our knowledge of the Enneagram and shift away from stereotyping.

Sandra and Chris talk about the look alike types of the Enneagram to help listeners distinguish between and discern their type.

Join Chris and Sandra as they respond to listeners' questions and dispel myths about the Enneagram in this new season of Heart of the Enneagram.

Chris and Sandra reflect back on Season 3 - how their guests shared about relationships and the Enneagram - and talk about plans for the next season. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.  

Neil Gurney (3) and Bill Kinard (5) explore their working relationship through the lens of their Enneagram types. Both Type 3 and Type 5 are oriented to projects and accomplishments, unemotional, factual, and work well together or independently. Both also avoid feelings, can become inattentive to the relationship, and avoid or lose connection. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

Brian Hollingsworth (6) and Anna Fleig (8) reflect on their friendship in light of their Enneagram types. Both Type 6 and Type 8 are courageous, loyal, protective and committed to worthy causes. They both can energetically support their relationship, and share the view that the world is fundamentally an unfriendly and untrustworthy place. With this perspective they also can be oppositional, contrary, controlling, challenging and suspicious. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

Pat Bailey (2) and Dee Irwin (9) reflect on their 28 year partnership through the perspective of their Enneagram types. Both Type 2 and Type 9 have many similar tendencies and attributes that they bring to their relationships with each other. Both types are sensitive, pleasing, accommodating, helpful, focused on and responsive to others, and have a natural desire for harmony. Both also have difficulty knowing and expressing their own wants and needs, and setting limits. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

Longtime friends Fran Newsom and Nancy Dunn talk about the relationship dynamics between Enneagram Types 2 and 6. Both Type 2 and Type 6 bring warmth, sensitivity, an ability to accommodate and helpfulness to relationships. They can also be over-accommodating, feel put upon and pressured, and neglect their own well-being. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

Beth Poslusny (3) and Tyler Miller (7) share about their relationship as colleagues who've worked together at the Biltmore Company for more than eight years. Both Type 3 and Type 7 are real look-alikes. They are both oriented to projects, optimistic, enthusiastic and are highly active. They also tend to feel a sense of freedom when pursuing separate interests and tasks. This relationship, however, can be hindered by both types’ tendencies to avoid painful feelings, negatives and difficulties, and their mutual habit of overbooking themselves. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

Sisters Betsy (4) & Deb (9) Vingle talk about their relationship through the lens of their Enneagram types. Both Type 4 and Type 9 are empathetic, caring and feeling-oriented, and have a seeking quality and a deep desire for connection. They also tend to go inward, feel deficient, lose their impetus for action, and get lost in inessentials (Type 9) or in an experience of being lacking (Type 4). Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

Sandra and Chris explore relationship dynamics between types 1 and 7 in the workplace with Sara Ardrey-Graves and Dixon Kinser of Winston-Salem, NC. Both Type 1 and Type 7 bring idealism, self-reliance, desire for improvement, intensity and helpfulness to relationships. They also can insist on asserting their own position, act superior and appear arrogant. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

We learn about some of the dynamics of a heart/head relationship with engaged couple Jim Brown (4) and Wade Rogers (5). Both Type 4 and Type 5 bring a richness of interests and depth of understanding, are analytical, introspective and sensitive. They both appreciate uniqueness and naturally search for deeper meanings. They also can become withdrawn and over-analytical and appear superior. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

We hear about some of the dynamics of a relationship between a married couple who lead with Type 1 and Type 8, as we hear from Tamara Sparacino (1) and Jeff (8) in Asheville, NC. Both Type 1 and Type 8 bring intensity, self-reliance, practicality and concern for fairness, justice and truth to their relationship. Both types also can be willful, overly concerned with truth and fairness, and angry about what isn’t true or right. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

The tables are turned as Sandra and Chris are interviewed about their working relationship by guest host Jeanine Siler Jones, spiritual director and Enneagram teacher. Learn more about Heart of the Enneagram. Donate Now to support future episodes of this podcast. Whatever you give will be gratefully received. Purchase the Heart of the Enneagram book, a companion for deepening personal and spiritual growth.  Check out Upcoming Events led by Chris & Sandra.

Join Sandra and Chris as they reflect on the first two seasons of Heart of the Enneagram and announce plans for the future. www.heartoftheenneagram.com

Learn about the spiritual growth of Type 1 with guest, Michelle Voss Roberts, Associate Dean and Professor of Theology at Wake Forest University School of Divinity.

Explore the spiritual growth of Type 8 with guest Amy Greene, Director of Spiritual Care for the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, OH.

Learn about the spiritual growth of Type 9 with Guy Sayles, professor of religion at Mars Hill University and retired pastor, from Asheville, NC.

Learn about the spiritual growth of Type 7 with Molly Bolton, Medical Intensive Care Unit chaplain at a large hospital in Cleveland, OH.

Learn more about the spiritual growth of Enneagram Type 5 with Lawrence Womack, rector of St. Augustine's Episcopal Church in Brooklyn, NY. www.heartoftheenneagram.com

Listen in with Debbi Horton, a certified Narrative Enneagram teacher from St. Paul, MN, as we explore the spiritual dimensions of Type 6. www.heartoftheenneagram.com

Learn about the spiritual dimensions of Enneagram Type 4 with guest John Amen, poet in Charlotte, North Carolina. www.heartoftheenneagram.com

Learn about the spiritual dimensions of Enneagram Type 2 with guest, Mary Beth Gwyn, a soul awareness guide in Asheville, NC. www.heartoftheenneagram.com

The spiritual dimensions of Enneagram Type 3 with guest, Gerry Fathauer, an Enneagram teacher and aura intuitive in Cleveland, OH. www.heartoftheenneagram.com

Join Chris and Sandra as they discuss the Enneagram as a tool for spiriutal growth and development. www.heartoftheenneagram.com

Enneagram Type 1 with guest Joyce Hollyday, author in Asheville, North Carolina.

Enneagram Type 8 with guest Brian Ammons, Director of Spiritual Life at Warren Wilson College in Swananoa, North Carolina.

Enneagram Type 9 with guest Joy McIver, attorney in Asheville, North Carolina.

Enneagram Type 7 with guest Vicki Banks, Vice President of Human Resources, the Biltmore Company, Asheville, North Carolina.

Enneagram Type 5 with guest Brian Hayes, master of counseling student at UNCG, Greensboro, North Carolina.

Enneagram Type 6 with guest Mirais Holden, attorney in New Orleans, Louisiana.

Enneagram Type 4 with guest Jean Sexton, editorial manager at the Biltmore Companies, Asheville, North Carolina.

Enneagram Type 2 with guest Anna Kirby, licensed clinical social worker at Duke University Health System in Durham, North Carolina.

Enneagram Type 3 with guest Drew Jones, executive director of Climate Interactive.