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Watch the video of our conversation on YouTube!This week, I welcome Professor Kate Klonick to the podcast. The name of this episode comes from some amazing swag Kate made for a conference she put on last year on the history of the Trust and Safety profession. (You know how much I love swag.)Kate is among the foremost experts on many things, including platform governance of speech. In 2018, she wrote a paper at Harvard titled “The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech,” which was a first-of-its-kind behind-the-scenes look at how platforms handle content moderation.In 2021, she wrote a piece for the New Yorker about how then-Facebook set up the Oversight Board titled, “Inside the Making of Facebook's Supreme Court.”Recently, she has been writing on these topics at her Substack . One of her pieces I cite all the time is about the end of the golden age of tech accountability where in 2023 she makes the point:[F]or all the of the complaining we've done about Big Tech's lack of cooperation with accountability, transparency, and research efforts, I unfortunately think we'll look back on the last five years as a Golden Age of Tech Company access and cooperation.We talk about all of this and more. Enjoy!Kate Klonick teaches Property, Internet Law, and a seminar on information privacy. Klonick's research focuses on law and technology, most recently on private platform governance of online speech. Klonick's scholarly work has appeared in The Yale Law Journal, Harvard Law Review, The Georgetown Law Journal, the peer-reviewed Copyright Journal of the U.S.A., The Maryland Law Review, and The Southern California Law Review. Her popular press writing has appeared in the New Yorker, New York Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian, Lawfare, Slate, Vox and numerous other publications.Professor Klonick holds an A.B. with honors from Brown University where she studied both modern American History and cognitive neuroscience, a J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center where she was a Senior Editor on the Georgetown Law Journal, and a Ph.D. in Law from Yale Law School. She clerked for Hon. Eric N. Vitaliano of the Eastern District of New York and Hon. Richard C. Wesley of the Second Circuit. She is an affiliated fellow at the Yale Law School Information Society Project and a non-resident fellow at the Brookings Institution. She is on leave for 2022-2023 serving as a Visiting Scholar at the Rebooting Social Media Institute at Harvard University. Get full access to Anchor Change with Katie Harbath at anchorchange.substack.com/subscribe
Kate Klonick, law professor at St. John's University, joins Matt to talk about her investigation into Facebook's secret content moderation board. She talks about her inside-Silicon-Valley reporting, the problems of regulating content in general, and why Facebook both is and is not like a newsstand. Resources: "Inside the Making of Facebook's Supreme Court" by Kate Klonick, The New Yorker (Feb. 12, 2021) "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech" by Kate Klonick, Harvard Law Review (Mar. 2017) Guest: Kate Klonick (@Klonick), Assistant Professor of Law, St. John's University Host: Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias), Slowboring.com Credits: Erikk Geannikis, Editor and Producer As the Biden administration gears up, we'll help you understand this unprecedented burst of policymaking. Sign up for The Weeds newsletter each Friday: vox.com/weeds-newsletter. The Weeds is a Vox Media Podcast Network production. Want to support The Weeds? Please consider making a contribution to Vox: bit.ly/givepodcasts About Vox Vox is a news network that helps you cut through the noise and understand what's really driving the events in the headlines. Follow Us: Vox.com Facebook group: The Weeds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Denise Howell is joined by Kate Klonick, St. John's University School of Law Assistant Professor and author of "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech," to discuss how private online platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are failing and succeeding in their attempt to moderate content posted by their users and whether regulators are equipped to make laws on how these companies should moderate online speech. Host: Denise Howell Guest: Kate Klonick Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/triangulation.
Denise Howell is joined by Kate Klonick, St. John's University School of Law Assistant Professor and author of "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech," to discuss how private online platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are failing and succeeding in their attempt to moderate content posted by their users and whether regulators are equipped to make laws on how these companies should moderate online speech. Host: Denise Howell Guest: Kate Klonick Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/triangulation.
Denise Howell is joined by Kate Klonick, St. John's University School of Law Assistant Professor and author of "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech," to discuss how private online platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are failing and succeeding in their attempt to moderate content posted by their users and whether regulators are equipped to make laws on how these companies should moderate online speech. Host: Denise Howell Guest: Kate Klonick Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/triangulation.
Denise Howell is joined by Kate Klonick, St. John's University School of Law Assistant Professor and author of "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech," to discuss how private online platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are failing and succeeding in their attempt to moderate content posted by their users and whether regulators are equipped to make laws on how these companies should moderate online speech. Host: Denise Howell Guest: Kate Klonick Download or subscribe to this show at https://twit.tv/shows/triangulation.
In this episode, Kate Klonick, Assistant Professor of Law at St. John's University School of Law, discusses her scholarship on the governance of private Internet platforms like Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Klonick begins by discussing her influential article "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech," which was published in the Harvard Law Review, in which she argued that private Internet platforms effectively must regulate speech internally and explored how they develop and enforce governance norms. And she continues by discussing her new essay, "Facebook v. Sullivan," in which she discusses how private Internet platforms like Facebook show balance privacy and free speech concerns in light of the principles they have borrowed from the Supreme Court's First Amendment jurisprudence. Klonick is on Twitter at @Klonick.Keywords: online speech, private platforms, internet platforms, internet intermediaries See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
We've done it — we've solved the challenge of content moderation! (Checks notes). No, wait, sorry: we haven't. But what we have done is invited Kate Klonick, law professor and author of the excellent paper The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech, to join us for an in-depth discussion about how we got here and why there are no easy or simple answers for content moderation.
The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech. Kate Klonick from Yale Law School talks about how online providers make decisions distinguishing appropriate from inappropriate content.
Kate Klonick talks about her recent article, "The New Governors: The People, Rules, and Processes Governing Online Speech", which provides one of the first analysis of what private online platforms are actually doing to moderate speech under a regulatory and First Amendment framework. It argues that to best understand online speech, we must abandon traditional doctrinal and regulatory analogies, and understand these private content platforms as systems of governance operating outside the boundaries of the First Amendment. Kate is currently a doctoral candidate at Yale Law School.