Mette and Candice, friends for more than thirty years, both found themselves divorced during the pandemic. They have very different perspectives on the challenge of finding themselves in the midst of an entirely new life.
Mette Ivie Harrison and Candice Clark Stevens

Candice and Mette talk about what the podcast has meant to them.

Two recovering perfectionists talk about the contining temptation.

When you know you shouldn't do too much, why do you keep doing it anyway? What are you winning? What are you avoiding?

What do you keep, literally and metaphorically, after a major life change?

If no one has ever told you before, it sucks getting old.

What do you regret? How do you let go of regret? What regret is it useful to hold onto, if any?

Yes, we're talking literally and metaphorically here

What can I take out of my life that will add to my life?

Are you allowed to get what you want? That's the first step in getting it. Other thoughts on the same.

How do you learn to ask for help and not give up your sense of independence?

When you have nothing left, you hit the wall. Sometimes that can be a very good thing.

We talk about avoiding the binary of this type of thinking.

Sometimes you worry if there will be enough time, but there is.

What is money for? How do you use money properly? How do you feel less guilty about money? How do you use money for happiness?

What do you do when anniversaries about things you're still processing come up?

What if "because I want to?" is not a selfish thing to say, but actually the only reason any of us do anything?

Why divorce isn't the worst thing in the world. If you're up for that discussion.

Do you think we can solve all the problems? Because we definitely do.

Can you experience pain without suffering. Your two hosts argue charmingly about this.

Women and mothers are often invisible. We would like to stop being invisible, please.

People might change, but it doesn't seem to happen very often, or at least not on a character level.

Do you hate the love language paradigm? Is it useful at all?

Women and mothers are often invisible and we would like to stop being invisible now please.

Everyone says this, but how can you really learn how to not care about their business and believe it's really what you think about yourself that matters?

If it's going to get done, it has to be by me. Ever feel like this? We do.

We take a little quiz to see how optimistic we are. We are both surprised (though you may not be).

What is forgiveness? Is it letting things go or is it something more?

We have both been through changes in our religious beliefs, but have also ended in very different places.

Some people hate birthdays. Some people love birthdays. Guess which of us is which?

How do you feel about your changing physical appearance after age 50? Wrinkles, gray hair, sagging--um, other parts. We chat frankly about these issues.

How do yout rust yourself when you are the one who has always minimized and betrayed you?

Trying to figure out how to reconcile the different versions of ourselves, offering them all grace.

Women tend to put their own needs on hold. We talk about how to not do that anymore.

Mette and Candice talk about the pain of losing people as your life changes, and the choice to lose people, as well.

Depression is scary and lonely. It isn't something I would wish on my worst enemy. But it is something that I've ended up helping dearest friends through. Sometimes I'm even grateful for my depression because it has allowed me to understand something I never understood before and to help articulate the thoughts that depression whispers to you.

In high school, one teacher who only ever saw us when we were together called us "Mettice," Candice and Mette. Here is our origin story, even though it took us a decade to remember the first time we truly met.

Do you think brooms are not things of joy? Well, listen to us discuss why they can be.

There are wonderful things about being alone. Here are some of them.

How do you love yourself? What if you hate yourself? Why does it matter?

We all seem to enter into relationships with the idea that there are certain rules, but when other people don't follow the same rules, we're angry. And discover that they never had the same rules in the first place. How could they not?