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Dr. Keba M. Rogers continues to share her perspective on antiracist and liberatory relationships with a focus on leveling up to excellence, setting boundaries, and letting people be who they are rather than who we want them to be. Eva and Jason close out with their take-aways from this important conversation.

Eva and Jason close out season 2 with Dr. Keba M. Rogers talking about anti-racist and liberatory relationships among BIPOC folks. Authenticity, valuing humanity over "time," and challenging internalized racism are just a few of the important topics that are covered in part 1 of this episode.

Eva and Jason reflect on their takeaways from their conversation with Cardozie and Erin, including the implications of Jason saying he “does this work.”

Eva and Jason continue the conversation with Cardozie and Erin to discuss elephants, colonialism, mistakes made, and ways that friendship can be a form of freedom. 

Eva and Jason jump right in with friends and colleagues Cardozie Jones and Erin Dunlevy to explore the need for boundaries, ways to nurture friendships and how “over-relating” can be a red flag for new cross-racial relationships.

Building off of Part 1, Perri opens up to Eva and Jason about a lot, including the difference between "challenging" vs. "addressing," developing trust to be in relationship through the struggles, and what self care looks like for her. She also talks about when she uses the phrase, “It's not for you.” 

In this episode, Eva and Jason connect with Perri Chandler about anti-racist relationships in the family. Perri opens up about being married to a “white dude,” what changed when they had a child, and the importance of naming race and racism, even when it's difficult. 

Eva, Jason and Dr. Kathy Obear continue their conversation, exploring ways White people can reconnect to their intuition and discussing Dr. Obear's "Ladder of Fear" framework as a way to get to the bottom of any fear White people have about re-envisioning relationships through an anti-racism lens.

Cancel culture, perfectionism, conflict, and feeling feelings...how do these things impact White people's ability to relate with each other through an anti-racism lens? Listen as Eva, Jason and Dr. Kathy Obear explore this and other questions related to anti-racist relationships among White people.

Eva, Jason, and Benny continue the conversation to explore anti-racist relationships at work through the lens of consent, consistency, and conscious relationships. Listen as Benny talks about the need to provide “heart space.” Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason connect with Chief Equity Officer at the KIPP Foundation, Benny Vasquez, to get his take on what makes a professional relationship anti-racist. You might be surprised by his response; listen to find out what he has to say. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason decide to expand the scope of their conversations in season 2, which leads to a title change for the podcast. Tune in to hear why they think the name change is important. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Season 2 is here!

A year after recording their conversations for Season 1, Eva and Jason look back on what they learned and look forward to where they want to go as they continue to co-create their friendship on Season 2. Comments: https://www.facebook.com/In-Pursuit-of-Cross-Racial-Friendship-110036004084547 Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

In this final episode of Season 1, Eva and Jason talk about key learnings and a few strategies for continuing to build their equitable cross-racial friendship.

In probably their most authentic conversation yet, Eva and Jason take stock of how the first ten episodes of this series have impacted their friendship; has it grown? Or are they still reflecting patterns of oppression?

Eva and Jason discuss why they haven't invited each other over to their friend and family gatherings. Share your comments: https://www.facebook.com/In-Pursuit-of-Cross-Racial-Friendship-110036004084547 Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason reminisce about the time Eva was Jason's “cultural tour guide” when they went to the movies in NYC. Eva goes on to reveal why the world of theatre, which was a safe haven for Jason growing up, is not necessarily welcoming for all. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason reminisce about some of their social interactions over the years and examine the moments that might have been more stressful than fun. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason continue the conversation from episode 6 to explore how the norms of predominantly white work spaces impact them as individuals and as friends. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason talk about the burden of navigating white spaces and specifically what it feels like to not be seen or valued in predominantly white work spaces. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason discuss what it means to “hold space” as part of an authentic cross racial friendship. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason pause to unpack some of the racial observations they have made over the last week since the murder of George Floyd. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason define their visions of a cross racial friendship and share their fears as they embark on their journey to authenticity and friendship. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason have fun remembering their first impressions of each other and reflect on their not so real ten year “friendship.” Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend” -- DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Eva and Jason dive into their pursuit for cross-racial friendship with an exploration of their individual racial stories. Leave comments here. Music: “Thank You For Being a Friend," DJ Jus Ed featuring Alison Crockett; Vocals Written and Performed by Alison Crockett Podcast graphic: www.billnelsondesign.com.

Get a sneak peek about what Season 1 is all about.