I Guess We're Grown-Ups Now

Brook and Kari talk about adult female friendships, meeting Internet friends, friends when you're married, the work of being a friend, the friends at work, lessons from Oceans 8, how friendships awkwardly dissipate.

Brook and Kari talk about adult female friendships, meeting Internet friends, friends when you’re married, the work of being a friend, the friends at work, lessons from Oceans 8, how friendships awkwardly dissipate.

Brook and Kari talk about conferences: going to them, enjoying yourself, getting your money's worth, doing a talk, understanding the code of conduct.

Brook and Kari talk about conferences: going to them, enjoying yourself, getting your money’s worth, doing a talk, understanding the code of conduct.

Brook and Kari chat about recent movies we've seen, books read, and podcasts listened to. 50 Shades spoilers. Tolkien white guys. Superhero movies. Writers writing about experiences they don't have.

Brook and Kari chat about recent movies we’ve seen, books read, and podcasts listened to. 50 Shades spoilers. Tolkien white guys. Superhero movies. Writers writing about experiences they don’t have.

Brook and Kari talk about what we've been up to, since we haven't been podcasting a whole lot. Some really good book, movie, TV, and podcast recommendations here. I (Kari) can't believe I didn't mention I listened to S-Town. Plus, we talk about gender confirmation surgery.

Brook and Kari talk about what we’ve been up to, since we haven’t been podcasting a whole lot. Some really good book, movie, TV, and podcast recommendations here. I (Kari) can’t believe I didn’t mention I listened to S-Town. Plus, we talk about gender confirmation surgery.

Brook and Kari talk about Pride month, celebrations, marches, mainstreaming, commodification, rainbow-washing, chanting, mourning, abstaining, and showing up for the actual work the rest of the year. Should you go? Yes.

Brook and Kari talk about Pride month, celebrations, marches, mainstreaming, commodification, rainbow-washing, chanting, mourning, abstaining, and showing up for the actual work the rest of the year. Should you go? Yes.

Brook and Kari discuss chosen families, constructing family units, friends that stick, healthy boundaries for adults, rules for showing up for your friends.

Brook and Kari discuss chosen families, constructing family units, friends that stick, healthy boundaries for adults, rules for showing up for your friends.

Brook and Kari discuss drinks, from breastfeeding and tap water, to aquavit and bourbon, to weird sodas. Our favorite cocktail recipes and our basic go-to comfort drinks. Mnemonic rhymes aren't as helpful as just not drinking too much.

Brook and Kari discuss drinks, from breastfeeding and tap water, to aquavit and bourbon, to weird sodas. Our favorite cocktail recipes and our basic go-to comfort drinks. Mnemonic rhymes aren’t as helpful as just not drinking too much.

Kari and Brook talk about Canada. Justin Trudeau is cute. Colonialist settlement was horrible, and so is the government's treatment of indigenous people. Pipelines, socialized medicine, parental leave, RCMP, blinking green lights, grams of salami.

Kari and Brook talk about Canada. Justin Trudeau is cute. Colonialist settlement was horrible, and so is the government’s treatment of indigenous people. Pipelines, socialized medicine, parental leave, RCMP, blinking green lights, grams of salami.

Brook and Kari discuss crying, particularly at work, and what it means, why we do it, and what to do if you see someone doing it.

Brook and Kari discuss crying, particularly at work, and what it means, why we do it, and what to do if you see someone doing it.

Kari and Brook revisit the topic of travelling: how we pack, what we pack, how we make ourselves feel at home when away, and the weird things human bodies do when you're on the road.

Kari and Brook revisit the topic of travelling: how we pack, what we pack, how we make ourselves feel at home when away, and the weird things human bodies do when you’re on the road.

Brook and Kari discuss children and not having them, how to get one if you need one, life scripts, undermining parents, pets and how having them is and isn't like having kids. Brook's cat makes us laugh and we try to describe it. Great radio.

Brook and Kari discuss children and not having them, how to get one if you need one, life scripts, undermining parents, pets and how having them is and isn’t like having kids. Brook’s cat makes us laugh and we try to describe it. Great radio.

We're back, adullllltttzzzz! Brook and Kari have come out of hibernation to hit your eardrums with a brand new episode, mostly about how to handle the holidays like a grown-up when you're spending them with unfamiliar people, or worse, familiar people! We talk about Friendsgiving, new and old traditions, Brook loves a good yule.

We’re back, adullllltttzzzz! Brook and Kari have come out of hibernation to hit your eardrums with a brand new episode, mostly about how to handle the holidays like a grown-up when you’re spending them with unfamiliar people, or worse, familiar people! We talk about Friendsgiving, new and old traditions, Brook loves a good yule.

For Grown-Ups' first threesome, Kari and Brook are joined by Kayleigh to talk about polyamorism, paramours and metamours and poly unicorns, cis/straight and queer poly, models and structures of poly relationships, how to (and how not to) go polyamorous, jealousy, compersion, and how poly is like Agile. Turns out, Kari's the only one who's seen Three's Company. Also, we talk about butts.

For Grown-Ups’ first threesome, Kari and Brook are joined by Kayleigh to talk about polyamorism, paramours and metamours and poly unicorns, cis/straight and queer poly, models and structures of poly relationships, how to (and how not to) go polyamorous, jealousy, compersion, and how poly is like Agile. Turns out, Kari’s the only one who’s seen Three’s Company. Also, we talk about butts.

Kari chats with Victor Yocco about the benefits of stopping drinking, the practice of sobriety, how to support people choosing to not drink, fizzy drinks at bars, and when's a good time to ask why someone's not drinking (never).

Kari chats with Victor Yocco about the benefits of stopping drinking, the practice of sobriety, how to support people choosing to not drink, fizzy drinks at bars, and when’s a good time to ask why someone’s not drinking (never).

Brook and Kari talk about forcing it with desk legs, friendships, love, taxes, being disciplined, and work. Also: the question of whether telling 20-somethings to just work hard is good advice.

Brook and Kari talk about forcing it with desk legs, friendships, love, taxes, being disciplined, and work. Also: the question of whether telling 20-somethings to just work hard is good advice.

Brook and Kari talk about the ups and downs of volunteering, kids volunteering badly, empathy and relationship building, selflessness and selfishness, how broken the system can be, doing “little” things, giving yourself credit, volunteering at work.

Brook and Kari talk about the ups and downs of volunteering, kids volunteering badly, empathy and relationship building, selflessness and selfishness, how broken the system can be, doing “little” things, giving yourself credit, volunteering at work.

Kari and Brook talk about holiday plans, going out versus staying in, solstice, resolutions versus spontaneity, not smiling at strangers, journalling as reflection, minimalism, reading, and death to “should.” Also: cat noises.

Kari and Brook talk about holiday plans, going out versus staying in, solstice, resolutions versus spontaneity, not smiling at strangers, journalling as reflection, minimalism, reading, and death to “should.” Also: cat noises.

Brook and Kari talk about adult friendships and the Internet, cross-pollination, intensity, friending regret, breakups, retweeting, aspirational friends, attraction, homogeneity, and the roommate switch.

Brook and Kari talk about adult friendships and the Internet, cross-pollination, intensity, friending regret, breakups, retweeting, aspirational friends, attraction, homogeneity, and the roommate switch.

Brook and Kari record over wine and cats, and ponder their own mortality, loved ones (including pets) dying, being ready to die, risky behavior, travelling on planes, and trying to understand death. Uplifting!

Brook and Kari record over wine and cats, and ponder their own mortality, loved ones (including pets) dying, being ready to die, risky behavior, travelling on planes, and trying to understand death. Uplifting!

Kari and Brook Shelley talk about mommy/cat blogging/podcasting, going home again, travelling on other people's dime, accents, sci fi lit by women, revisiting old hobbies, and whole other episodes.

Kari and Brook Shelley talk about mommy/cat blogging/podcasting, going home again, travelling on other people’s dime, accents, sci fi lit by women, revisiting old hobbies, and whole other episodes.

Hilary (@theOtherHilary) is back to chat with Kari about hating yourself-in-other-people, respectful conversation, when and how we indulge ourselves, the statute of limitations on being mean, safe places for venting, and self-regulation.

Hilary (@theOtherHilary) is back to chat with Kari about hating yourself-in-other-people, respectful conversation, when and how we indulge ourselves, the statute of limitations on being mean, safe places for venting, and self-regulation.

Kari and her guest Aditi talk about international travel, local delicacies, Airbnb, Jackie Chan's packing strategies, friend trips, community sourced trip planning, and neck pillows.

Kari and her guest Aditi talk about international travel, local delicacies, Airbnb, Jackie Chan’s packing strategies, friend trips, community sourced trip planning, and neck pillows.

Kari and Liz James discuss adult ADHD: definitions, advantages, getting diagnosed, strategies for thriving with it, fantastic metaphors, treatments, marrying well, accidental vacations, and black diamond people.

Kari and Liz James discuss adult ADHD: definitions, advantages, getting diagnosed, strategies for thriving with it, fantastic metaphors, treatments, marrying well, accidental vacations, and black diamond people.

Kari's guest is Rebekah Bennetch and they discuss the horrors of public speaking, the formula for creating a great speech, how to practice and prepare, vocal delivery techniques, and whether you should drink before you do a speech.

Kari’s guest is Rebekah Bennetch and they discuss the horrors of public speaking, the formula for creating a great speech, how to practice and prepare, vocal delivery techniques, and whether you should drink before you do a speech.

Kari and Megan Cheesbrough talk about advanced parenting: collaborating with minors; de-escallating bad behavior without shame; showing your children you're on their team; negotiating with teachers; and worrying that your kid's a sociopath.

Kari and Megan Cheesbrough talk about advanced parenting: collaborating with minors; de-escallating bad behavior without shame; showing your children you’re on their team; negotiating with teachers; and worrying that your kid’s a sociopath.

Jeff Read joins Kari to wonder what midlife really is anyway, and to talk about middle-age parenting issues, getting worse at things, and how passion for what you do maybe helps you avoid the ol' crisis.