Tabard Inn

Zinzy and Patrick W join the Flores boys to recap the highlights of season one and talk about how Vine & Fig can do its part to work for change during the Black Lives Matter uprisings around the world. Plus we hint at what big changes are coming in Season Two!Vine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

The Flores boys have moved to Dallas this week and didn't have time to interview anyone but your favorite queer Catholic hosts weren't going to leave you hanging! We still shared a couple stories from our lives with you about our favorite sacred places, the value of good urban planning, and our lives with the saints.

Have you ever gone to help someone and thought to yourself, "oh yeah, this is one hell of a good deed?" And then have you ever fallen flat on your face when you went to do it? Today's guest thinks that's a pretty good metaphor for the Catholic life, and she's got a story to prove it.Dorothy Fortenberry is not only a devoted Catholic, but she's also a writer and producer on the hit show "The Handmaid's Tale." We talked about what faith is really all about, sticking it out in a church that acts like it doesn't want you, and the need for utopian stories in a world like today's.Dorothy FortenberryVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Do you remember the first time you met someone who was gay and didn't see it as a conflict with their Christianity? Do you remember how revolutionary that seemed? Even a little bit dangerous?Today we talked with writer and essayist Sam McKenzie Jr. about a friendship that challenged him to accept his sexuality. Both were Christian and both were gay, but only one thought those pieces of their life could go together. Come hear a story about the value of lifelong friends and the power of seeing someone live out what you thought was impossible.Sam's McKenzie Jr.'s WritingVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

A fight in the parking lot, a 6'5" drag queen, a new translation of the Mass parts, and Evanescence. How did we fit all that into one episode? Adam Gautille, that's how.We talk a lot about how Vine & Fig is a community for queer Catholics, but it's also for Catholic allies. Straight folks need a place where they can learn more about the LGBTQ community within their churches, and the truth is, we need them to understand and to speak up.So this week we invited Adam Gautille, a professional musician and music minister at a Catholic Church and official straight guy to explain how he went from a conservative in Texas, to a proud friend of the community who gets wild at gay bars and makes sure to use the right pronouns leading choir practice, all just from listening and learning to love queer people. It's an inspiring conversation that gives a lot of hope for the future of the Church!Adam GautilleVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

If you wanted to believe, to remain a part of the church, but after all you've been through just couldn't, how far would you go to try? Our guest today is the author Rosemary Mahoney and she did something many LGBTQ Catholics will be familiar with - she kept trying to make it work.Her book the Singular Pilgrim is about her time following six different pilgrimages around the world, attempting to figure out what makes belief work. Why is it some have it and others don't? And is it possible to get it back once you've lost it? We talked with Rosemary about all of that, and maybe most importantly, whether or not the Catholic Church is worth fighting to stay a part of, when so much inside you tells you it's no longer your home.Rosemary MahoneyVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

There's nothing easy about coming out. And no guarantee anyone will love the you you've shared. But Max Kuzma, in coming out as a trans to his family, to his friends, to his church, knew that what he was sharing came straight from God. Max was one of our very first Vine & Fig community members and is documenting his transition on his website for other trans Catholics to know they're not alone.Max's websiteVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

The Catholic Church has long insisted that its priests be celibate and that homosexual acts are forbidden. But how many of its priests, bishops, and cardinals are gay? And what if many of them are leading double lives, condemning the LGBTQ community by day and inviting their boyfriend up for dinner by night?Today on the podcast we talked with Frédéric Martel, author of the bestselling book In the Closet of the Vatican, a investigation into the hidden lives of so many Catholic clergy. Frédéric says he is not interested in scandal or outing priests, but in talking openly about a larger culture within the Church that has allowed so many gay men who are not ready for celibacy to become the public face of Catholicism.Frédéric MartelVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

You're used to hearing stories about Catholics coming to terms with their sexuality later in life, but what about the folks who have always been comfortable and open about their queerness, and have to come to terms with their Catholicism? Today we have on Zinzy Nev Geene to tell a story about how a discussion with a professor made her realize the Catholicism she thought she had left behind was still very much alive inside her. Vine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Ever feel like an outsider in the church? Like being you and being Catholic don't match up? You're not alone and this is the episode for you. For the stubborn believer who struggles to see their place but isn't ready to give up trying.Author and spiritual director Kaya Oakes joined us to share a story about a hot priest who came into her life at the most unexpected moment and taught her an important lesson that launched her career as a spiritual writer.Kaya Oakes' ContactSubscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

What should we make of miracles? And what would you do if one happened to you? Laugh? Cry? Shout it from the rooftops? Queer spiritual director, author, and podcast host Kevin Garcia came on to share a story of when a real miracle happened to them. It's a beautiful, magical story and we are so excited to share it with all of you!Kevin GarciaSubscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Does God still speak to us? Or did all that die out with the last of the prophets? What happens if you experience something that seems beyond a doubt to be God reaching out to communicate with you?Today husbands Jacob and Patrick Flores listened to Jordan Kennedy's story about a time when God answered her prayers beyond a reasonable doubt. Jordan is a queer Catholic and member of the Vine & Fig community and will be entering a graduate degree program at a Catholic seminary this year!Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

For gay Catholics who want to follow the Church's teachings, there are two option - join a religious order, or live a single, celibate life. Gay men, of course, have a third option where they can also become priests. So what happens when you try and three, and none of them work?You can pray for a miracle, that your "same-sex attraction" goes away through some combination of grace and re-orienting your life. But if at the end of the day you are still gay, and still struggling, what do you do?Husbands Pat & Jacob Flores talk with Christopher Dowling to find out just that. How does a faithful, gay Catholic survive in a celibate world? And if he starts to believe celibacy isn't the answer, where does he fit in then?Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Husbands Pat and Jacob discuss their very Catholic wedding, what they learned in the process, and what advice they have for anyone else thinking of having a religious gay wedding!Wedding photos!Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Husbands Pat and Jacob discuss the beginning of Lent, the trouble with embracing suffering, and what Dorothy Day has to say was a "hard, hard doctrine."Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

In this special episode, husbands Pat and Jacob sat down over Christmas Myte and Syntia, the hosts of the the Queer, Latinx podcast Cabronas y Chingonas. It was an awesome conversation - their podcast tackles representation in the media, especially from a queer latinx perspective. We talked with them about growing up queer in a conservative state, what shows are out there doing representation right, finding your way back to religion, coming out into POC spaces, and the joy of relatives becoming affirming.Cabronas y Chingonas PodcastSubscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Husbands Pat and Jacob discuss the German bishops who are officially talking about what is good in gay relationships, what it means to vote like a Catholic, black queer filmmakers who are creating their own seat at the table, and Pope Francis deciding against married priests and women deacons in the Amazon.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Pat and Jacob look back on the first year of Vine & Fig, talk about the big news coming out of the German bishops conference, and then discuss the ways they hope V&F will grow in the year ahead.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Fiancés Pat and Jacob discuss a lesbian woman being denied communion at her parish in Michigan, the new Prime Minister of Finland who was raised by two moms, TikTok admitting it was suppressing videos from queer, fat, and disabled creators, and Pope Francis naming Filipino Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle to a major position in the Vatican.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Welcome to Tabard Inn, a podcast about the stories we tell and the events we discuss while on pilgrimage as Queer Catholics! Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores talked this week with America Magazine's national correspondent Michael O'Loughlin about his new podcast, PLAGUE, about the Catholic Church during the AIDS crisis. Subscribe to PLAGUESubscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Fiancés Pat & Jacob sit down with Vine & Fig co-founder Patrick Weston for an epic conversation covering everything from parents to talking animals to sex to tattoos. It's our first annual Thanksgiving Day Queer Family Dinner, and you need to go for a walk and take a break from your crazy family, throw on Tabard Inn and spend an hour with us. We are happy to be your chosen family today and every day!Support the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Fiancés Pat and Jacob discuss Chick-Fil-A announcing it will no longer donate to two anti-LGBTQ organizations, the U.S. bishops meeting and deciding not to back up Pope Francis, Pope Francis announcing that the Catechism will be updated to include ecological sins, and the gay penguins at a Dutch zoo who stole an egg from a straight couple and are now raising it as their own.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Fiancés Pat and Jacob discuss the recent walkout at a Catholic school over the way a lesbian student was treated, the American Psychological Association endorsing the use of they/them pronouns, the TV show One Day at a Time coming back after being cancelled, and the virtue of prudence in every day life.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Welcome to Tabard Inn, a podcast about the stories we tell and the events we discuss while on pilgrimage as Queer Catholics! Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics and our allies. Special guest this week - Massimo Faggioli!Massimo's TwitterSubscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Welcome to Tabard Inn, a podcast about the stories we tell and the events we discuss while on pilgrimage as Queer Catholics! Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics and our allies.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagram1. Indianapolis Starts Firing Straight Allies at Catholic High School2. Tom Ranzweiller on LGBTQ Senior Centers3. Pope Francis Calls for a Church for the PoorSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Welcome to Tabard Inn, a podcast about the stories we tell and the events we discuss while on pilgrimage as Queer Catholics! Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics and our allies.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagram1. How Fashion is a Powerful Form of Affirmation for Many Queer People2. The Amazon Synod Continues and Gets More Racist3. Simcha Fisher says focus on the other 99% of what Jesus did instead of destroying statues4. What Día de los Muertos Can Teach Us About LifeSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores interview gay priest James Alison about his phone call with Pope Francis, what he thinks Pope Francis wants to happen in the church on LGBTQ issues, why the gay issue is more an emotional issue for the Church than a theological one, the unique spiritual insights that queer catholics have for the rest of the Church in this time of crisis, and a whole lot more!James Alison's websiteSubscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagram1. Rachel Held Evans' final blog post2. Pope Francis opens the Synod on Amazonia3. The Supreme Court takes up LGBTQ discrimination in the workplaceSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagram1. Fr. James Martin meets with the pope2. Schitt's Creek creator Dan Levy gives an acceptance speech3. HRC tries to be less whiteSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics.Subscribe to the Vine and Fig NewsletterVine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagram1. Billy Porter wins best actor2. USCCB discusses outreach out to the Nones3. JVN comes out as HIV+4. Archbishop Chaput criticizes Fr. Jim Martin's ministry to LGBTQ CatholicsSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics.Submit a story for future episodes of Tabard Inn!Vine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagram1. Sam Smith changes their pronouns2. Pope Francis on schisms3. The Spiritual Practice of Noticing Everything4. How to make change on campusThe Last Days of Judas IscariotSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)

Vine and Fig co-founder Pat Gothman and his fiancé Jacob Flores discuss the news and articles of the week most relevant to Queer Catholics.1. Pope Francis in Madagascar2. An open letter from a priest to Dominic Conover3. We think we know what matters most to God. What if we are wrong?Vine and Fig websiteSupport this podcast via PatreonTwitterInstagramSupport the show (https://www.patreon.com/vineandfigco)