that's what she said

novelist amy bloom joins us for our love(d) finale: a deep dive into her memoir “in love” - a beautifully rendered portrait of a mid-life romance and their decision, following her husband's alzheimer's diagnosis, to go to dignitas - an organization based in switzerland that allows people to end their own lives with dignity and peace.

jen nilsson changed her whole life when her fiance Jeff died of cancer in 2018. she quit her job and set off to see the world, writing and traveling and living as if there might not be a tomorrow. a candid conversation about their 296 day love story and how her life has been transformed since jeff's death.

montana-based mom of 3 ali mullen shares her story: falling in love with her husband john, his struggle with undiagnosed mental illness, losing him to suicide during the darkest days of the pandemic and how she and her children have found light in the days since john's death.

actor & writer nadia bowers joins us for a deeply candid and generous episode: her intensely close relationship with her sister sasha, losing her to an opioid overdose 7 years ago, and how she has navigated being in relationship with sasha since her death.

the fabulous leslie gray streeter graces episode 4: finding later in life romance with someone she knew since high school, losing scott suddenly just after they had adopted a new baby and putting the whole experience down in ink in her incredible memoir “black widow.”

melissa gould, author of the best-selling memoir “widowish" sits down for a deeply honest conversation about her experience of love & grief: falling in love with her husband joel, losing him to multiple sclerosis 7 years ago and what the aftermath has been like for her and her daughter. 

stephanie bruneau on the loss of her husband, the peace & conflict neuroscientist emile bruneau: their remarkable love story, how emile's ‘peaceful and radiant optimism' informed their lives together as he navigated brain cancer, and what their relationship is like now since his death in 2020. 

the magnificent dr. lucy hone graces our season 6 premiere: an intimate conversation about the tragic death of her 12 year old daughter, the dance of grief & resilience, and her experience of loving abi in the present tense as time goes on. 

coming spring 2022: our 6th season spinoff, love(d) 

together in person! a live taping at caveat featuring lisa kleinman, ana cruz kayne, cusi cram & mallory portnoy on the theme: bad dates. recorded 7/28/21. 

we are back! and we are live! join us for a very special live show at caveat on july 28 @ 10pm - or livestream the show from your home anywhere in the

wild love season finale: dr. lucy kalanithi is a physician, professor, advocate and the widow of dr. paul kalanithi, author of the #1 new york times bestselling memoir when breath becomes air. she takes us through loving and losing paul, their decision to have a child even as he was quite ill, and how marriage continues even after the person you love has died.

phd student shirin estahbanati shares her story: being separated from her iranian family due to the 2017 travel ban, discovering a library incredibly situated on the us/canada border where they could safely meet and how she's learned that no matter the suffering, it is always worth it to see those you love.

entrepreneur, mental health advocate & new york times best-selling author jen gotch joins the pod to talk love & mental health: getting the right diagnoses, cultivating independence & how a bad marriage can be like novocaine.

psychotherapist, author and die-hard liberal democrat jeanne safer breaks down her 40 year marriage to a staunch conservative republican: her attempts to change him, accepting their differences and the all important "chemotherapy test."

writer and public speaker toby dorr shares her harrowing story: falling in love with prison inmate john maynard and helping him escape, their experience on the run and how her life has been thoroughly transformed by these events.

actor zabryna guevara shares her experience of donating a kidney to her mother: the considerations and fears that went into the decision and the remarkable recovery process for both of them.

writer and photographer caroline catlin joins us for a raw conversation about receiving an incurable cancer diagnoses, her experience photographing critically ill children, and the gratitude and community that guides her. www.carolinecatlin.com 

sanni mccandless (life coach and cofounder of outwild) walks us through the experience of seeing herself depicted in the documentary free solo, cultivating mystery in a relationship and loving a partner whose line of work is extraordinarily dangerous.

psychotherapist and new york times bestselling author lori gottlieb joins us for a frank discussion about our relationships to ourselves & others, and how cultivating “wise” compassion can help strengthen both. Her most recent book is maybe you should talk to someone.

actor, advocate and writer tembi locke joins us for a deep dive into cross-cultural romance, living with grief and the healing power of italian cooking as chronicled in her beautiful memoir from scratch.

writer & speaker amber scorah shares her complex journey in and out of the jehovah's witness, and the relationships in her life that made the transition possible. Her book leaving the witness is a beautiful account of her experience.

wild love premiere! actor maddie corman shares her experience of uncovering a partner's dark secret, the shame surrounding the choice to stay together and the difference between forgiveness and acceptance.

a wild and wonderful night in brooklyn on the theme of "oprah says: keep secrets" featuring co-host tala ashe & guests ashley brooke roberts, hollie van osenbruggen and ava eisenson. originally recorded 2/10/20.

therese & tala are here with a season 5 update!

season 4 finale! actor gina daniels talks having a long term relationship without marriage, what she's learned from being wrong, and the best love advice she's ever gotten or given.

comedian/actor/writer/producer kate rigg has some very hot takes on sex, sexuality, dating a porn star and why self help books are unnecessary.

comedian and actor jade catta-preta is here to talk young love in brazil, codependence, and surviving a rough break up.

(rebroadcast) nathalie m n takes us through her bold love experiment: to stay single until she turned 40 - the highs, the lows, and the indelible truths she discovered along the way.

comedian extraordinaire catherine cohen talks relationship power dynamics, religious baggage and overly loving dads.

actor stacey yen stops by the bed to dish about the power of female friendships, being an old soul but a late bloomer and having a pragmatic view of love.

kaz - host of africa's biggest sex positive podcast "the spread" makes it a very special ep: teaching sex positivity in nairobi, making polyamory work, and her infinite love for janelle monae.

louisville-based marketing maven and artist april perkins talks discovering infidelity, becoming a step-mom, and an extremely creative approach to dating in her 30s.

playwright and founder of the lilly award foundation julia jordan takes us through living on a boat for 20 years, a mid 30s panic about having children, and an "aha" moment for the ages.

back in nairobi: this #twssontheroad ep has naomi mwaura sharing her history with being cheated on, breaking off an engagement and the person who makes her ovaries quiver.

meg fee, author of the memoir “Places I Stopped on the Way Home” drops by the twss bed to talk about her robust decade of dating and coming of age in nyc.

theatre director beth lopes dishes about the legacy of stable parents, the pain of unrequited love, and the struggle to conceive.

new york times best selling author hope edelman (motherless daughters) visits the twss bed to discuss the intersection of love & grief, cultivating faith in love and most importantly, how to win a bar fight.

playwright mfoniso udofia is here to talk about the pain and joy of unrequited young love, the importance of romance lit, and why it's so hard to talk about the personal on podcasts.

writer helen betya rubinstein stops by the twss bed to discuss her nytimes modern love column on ‘single' identity and how to queer the romantic timeline.

comedian candice thompson on the perils of having a good dad, dating sociopaths and the moment you realize a relationship may not be on your vision board.

corena chase takes us through her 10 dating guidelines, how she arrived at them and how to enjoy the experience of looking for love.

twss from nairobi: mary mwangi takes us through making a new model for love than the one you grew up with, the value of persistence and the charms of tyler perry.

elle huerta on why she created "mend" - the #1 app for heartbreak, and how we can carry the lessons of heartbreak with us into our new relationships.

journalist suzanne rico offers unvarnished truth about being treated badly in partnership, fertility struggles and learning to trust your instincts.

our first live show! join guests tala ashe, lisa kleinman, bridget todd, nina grollman and kathryn meisle for a raucous and hilarious night in brooklyn dishing about “firsts” originally recorded: 6/25/18

season 4 premiere! performer/director/writer/producer/activist shakina nayfack starts the season out right talking about love, sex, betrayal and forgiveness.

hello & details about our very first live taping this monday june 25th @7pm at the commons cafe in brooklyn! more info and tickets at www.thatswhatshesaidpod.com

season 3 finale! actor sakina jaffrey closes out the season with tales of an international childhood, staying connected in a long marriage and how to build faith in love over time.

writer/actor/director leslie gauthier takes us through her experience surviving cancer, seeking lesbian role models and what almond days are.

producer genevieve jones visits the twss bed to dish on the danger of safe relationships, letting her inner wild child out and why having a bad time in italy is a really red flag.