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Two Brothers in one Basement. One Bro. interviews the other Bro. so you get acquainted with the Bros.Bryon Wiebold interviews Dr. Stephen Crosby to discover the harrowing tale of how he came to BE and learn why he wants to do a podcast in a Basement in Texas!
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Finally, an interview for the first time in like what, 5 months? Today’s guest goes by the name of Chad Kidd. Chad and I have a mutual friend through Stephen Crosby, and we’re both a part of a group on Facebook about ‘the dones’ which has been a theme lately on the show and will be for a little while longer. There's the dones, and then there's the "called out ones." I posted a message in the group looking to have a group Skype call or Google chat hangout, and Chad was the only one available so we converted the conversation into a podcast discussion which I think you’re going to enjoy. We also briefly discuss his book, Rethinking the Unthinkable: In the Light of Love which he co-wrote with his wife Ondrea documenting their reflections on exiting the institutional church and how God has been leading them ever since over the years that followed. Topics we discussed: When we discuss being done, what is it we’re done with? Done with institutional and relationship-less Christianity, and not done with a relationship with Jesus Christ. We discuss a blog post "A Response to Christians Who Are Done with Church" by Carey Nieuwhof We would never do ‘family’ the way we do church. We discuss a threshold most, if not all dones and “called out ones” reach which tips them past the line of how much they can take before they need to leave the Institutional Church in order to satisfy that longing. Join us today as we bounce ideas off of each other regarding being a called out one. Check out Chad’s blog at Roadofkingdom.blogspot.com
This week we have returning guest Stephen Crosby on the show mostly to discuss themes in his book, Praise, Worship, and the Presence of God: A Better Way to Worship — A New Covenant Perspective Here are some bullet points to summarize each section of our conversation: 6:00 - The Worship leader — Access to God through Music? Do they really take us into and out of the presence of God? Nope. No such thing exists. No brokers of His presence. Jesus has done it. We are in God’s presence because of what Jesus did on the cross, and not because of anything the worship leader does. The manifest presence of God is like oxygen in your lungs — it’s something you breathe. 16:05 - The recent history of contemporary worship music and practices ("Restoration of David’s Tent") Have you ever wondered or been asked WHY we do things the way we do in our charismatic services when it comes to the music before the preaching? Chances are you have little idea and neither will the person you ask. We just do it. In 1948 a move of God is where it all changed. Prior to that, hymns were typical. Out of this movement came the “restoration of David’s tent” which spread a misinterpretaiton of Amos 9:11-15 through a lot of the church and evolved during the charismatic movement of the 60s and third wave of the 80s. We discuss the need to understand what we are doing and what our theology behind it is. 26:56 - No to apostles and prophets, but yes to a modern paid position that has no NT substantiation? You can find more churches who will fight and split over modern-day apostles and prophets despite their repeated mention in the New Testament, but yet you can’t find the modern professional musician worship leader in the NT, yet it seems nobody questions that. Why on earth is that? If we can have the presence of God without music, then we have to ask ourselves why are we bothering and what are we doing? On the other hand, just because we can’t find something in the New Testament doesn’t mean it’s forbidden or morally wrong, however, we should be carefully to not then elevate these things to a level of status and requirement. 43:00 — Swapping one high for another: when worshipping and sensing the anointing becomes addictive We talk about how the look and feel of a lot of the “cutting edge” worship can take on a rock concert appearance and if you muted the volume you wouldn’t know the difference. The same way the Jews of Jesus’ day had built so much tradition on what was once originally pure law code, in a sense we’ve done the same thing with various traditions related to worshipping through music. 57:00 There are no second generation burning bushes Dr Crosby explains how one of the ways we find ourselves in situations or methods and traditions is when one generation experiences God in a certain way, and when discipling the next one they are taught the “how tos” of the first generation’s experience, but without experiencing that same burning bush for themselves. One of two things happens: We fake it because we want to experience it so bad, or We go into despair because we not experiencing it like the previous generation did. Likewise, David’s life is not our example. He merely is a type and shadow who pointed the way to the Messiah who came. The One greater than David has come, and He has united Himself in Spirit with us in the inner most being. If you’re going to create a template for worship and “pressing in” to His presence, do it based on Christ who is IN you and not old covenant modalities. Deep down in our own souls, we struggle with needing to earn and be rewarded, rather than just accepting what’s been given and freely poured out on the cross at Calvary. Charismatics and Pentecostals who are thrill-addicted struggle to believe it can all really be that simple. We close out the last half hour or so of the discussion sharing stories and experiences, for better or worse. Visit Dr Crosby's site at www.stevecrosby.org
This week we have Dr. Stephen Crosby joining us again as we discuss the hot button topic of grace. Is there a balance that people on both sides of this debate can agree on? Is a balance necessary? We discuss fruit vs roots when it comes to personal holiness and whether grace preachers and their counterparts are really hearing each other fairly. As usual, you don't want to miss this discussion! Don't forget to enter our contest to win a $30 gift certificate from Amazon along with a free copy of Dr. Crosby's book, Praise, Worship, and the Presence of God: A Better Way to Worship. Enter here: http://bit.ly/1k0lRB7.
This week we have Dr. Stephen Crosby back on the podcast to discuss loving our neighbors on a practical level. We've touched on this in past discussions, but spend a whole hour talking about a few benefits and challenges to meeting in house churches as opposed to 'institutional' church. We discuss what the house church movement gets wrong and what they get right. We get talking about why some people who are not in cultures where their faith is persecuted would resort to house churches instead of meeting in "large buildings. We also talk about the all-important role that love has in our impact we can have on our neighbors and culture around us. Links: 5 Things The House Church Movement is Getting Right 5 Things The House Church Movement is Getting Wrong (both by Steve Bremner) Check out BadChurchExperience.com
This week I was privileged to have on the podcast Dan Silva, a fellow blogger and author of the fairly new book, It's All About Jesus: What They Never Told You in Church. I enjoyed talking to Dan. I've been following his site for a few years, along with his Facebook page and have enjoyed the posts and articles he's written. I have even more respect for him after hearing more about his journey from Sunday churchianity, to burn out, to a renewed passion for God and the message of his love. Check out this week's episode and hear us discuss whether the message of grace truly is a license to sin as some claim 'grace teachers' are proclaiming. We also discuss a recent article our regular guest Stephen Crosby wrote that's been getting some buzz on social media. Further Reading: Dan's site Saints Not Sinners. Get his book on Amazon here. The article we discussed in the latter half of the show today: Grace Does Not Need Balancing, by Dr Stephen Crosby.
This week we finally have back on the podcast authors Dr Stephen Crosby and SJ HIll, and talk about being agents of beautification for the kingdom of God. We discuss how to be fascinated by God's beauty, and understand how He feels about us as an antidote to a boring spiritual life. We also answer questions like how do we encourage ourself in the Lord? You won't want to miss this discussion as it is unlike the previous discussions the three of us have had. Check out Brian Zahnd's book Beauty Will Save The World--you won't regret it! If you haven't had a chance yet, head on over to Amazon and buy Steve Bremner's new ebook Six Lies People Believe About Divine Healingfor only $3.99
This week we're privileged to have back Dr Stephen Crosby on the show to talk some more about subjects he's passionate about. This week: spiritual fathering. What is a father/son relationship in the Bible? Is your pastor your spiritual father? Is a pastor or apostolic leader in the Body of Christ a father to those who attend his or her church simply by virtue of their title or accomplishments for the kingdom of God? What does mentoring and discipling look like in father son relationships, at least from a New Testament perspective? You probably already know the answer to that one without having to listen to the show, but, we still had a great time talking about these things and think you'll enjoy it. Join us as we try hammering some of these things out! Visit Dr Crosby's site at www.stevecrosby.com Father to the Fatherless by S.J. Hill If you’d like to subscribe to the Fire On Your Head Podcast, visit our directory in iTunes, or visit FireOnYourHead.com for more subscription options.
Join us this week as we discuss another insidious doctrine that's ready for a sacred cow barbecue. This week Stephen Crosby, S.J. Hill and Steve Bremner chat it up again, and this time cover 'the new Jezebel'--which is nothing more than a newly packaged old lie, which basically discourages anybody from asking questions or challenging things that are said or done. It's a subtle form of manipulation that some leaders use in order to insulate themselves from being challenged. It's a form of manipulation, plain and simple. We discuss how this works, and spend the second half of the conversation discussing practical ways we can change this in our own personal lives and in our fellowship with one another. Give it a listen as it's definitely the most insightful conversation the three of us have had together on the podcast so far. Further reading: The New Jezebel - "You're Just Wounded" - by Dr Stephen R. Crosby If you’d like to subscribe to the Fire On Your Head Podcast, visit our directory in iTunes, Stitcher Radio, or visit FireOnYourHead.com for more subscription options.