Older & Wiser

Sam Cheung, Carlyn Greenwald, and Ivan Vukovic, three regular everyday Americans, are back to discuss The Crown Season 4, Episode 1: Gold Stick, in the process answering the very important question: would you rather find a nickel on the ground, or have your local hunter-rider team win a championship?

Marisa and Sam are joined once again by Jermaine Fletcher to discuss the Season 1 finale of Hulu's How I Met Your Father, Timing is Everything, which premiered March 15, 2022. Together, they break down Robin's cameo, Jesse and Meredith's kiss, and the return of an early father candidate. Plus, updated father predictions now that Season 1 is in the books.

Marisa and Sam discuss Hulu's How I Met Your Father Episode 109: Jay Street, which premiered March 8, 2022. Marisa officially has a complain to file regarding the show's representation, and Sam doesn't understand how Drew (who went to FYRE Festival) remains so chill. Plus, what happened to Drew's dog, Rue McClanahan?

Marisa and Sam discuss Hulu's How I Met Your Father Episode 108: The Perfect Shot, which premiered March 1, 2022. More importantly, they break down the budding conflict between the writers of the show and BTS fans, who are out for blood thanks to a joke that landed terribly. Plus, The Lumineers' Brightside or The Killers' Mr. Brightside?

Marisa and Sam discuss Hulu's How I Met Your Father Episode 107: Rivka Rebel, which premiered February 22, 2022. Marisa decides to read off of Sam's note instead of taking notes of her own, and for a brief moment, it seems like Sam's wish for a Charlie/Ellen feud might come true. Plus, what is the perfect photo to represent Sophie?

Marisa and Sam discuss Hulu's How I Met Your Father Episode 106: Stacey, which premiered February 15, 2022. Marisa and Sam learn some alarming things about these characters pasts that they need to be explained further. Is Charlie a serial killer? Will there be a standalone Drew-at-Fyre-Festival Episode? Plus, Marisa and Sam choose the episode's cringiest line.

Sam Cheung, Carlyn Greenwald, and Ivan Vukovic, three regular everyday Americans, recap The Crown Season 3, Episode 1: Olding, and in the process meet a brand new cast of characters including Olivia Colman, Tobias Menzies, and Helena Bonham Carter. Oh, and Winston is back, too. Plus, a surprise Crown cameo from a former Kinky Crown Award winner!

Marisa and Sam discuss Hulu's How I Met Your Father Episode 105: The Good Mom, which premiered February 8, 2022. Marisa learns on the podcast that one of her favorite Love, Victor actors has a famous father, and Sam breaks down why this episode almost made him quit the podcast. Plus, Marisa uncovers where we know Sid from.

Marisa and Sam discuss Hulu's How I Met Your Father Episode 104: Dirrty Thirty, which premiered February 1, 2022. Looking at all the empirical evidence, Marisa and Sam attempt to deduce if Drew is indeed a sociopath. He thinks walking in on people having sex on the shower is a good thing, so not off to a great start. Plus, a deep dive into the USPTO database to find out if "mangagement ring" is available.

Marisa and Sam discuss Hulu's How I Met Your Father Episode 103: The Fixer, which premiered January 25, 2022. Sam has a theory about Valentina and a suggestion for the Ellen/Charlie subplot, while Marisa sheds light on the "Sad Guy" trope and how Jesse fits right into it. Plus, is Drew actually a father contender?

Marisa and Sam discuss the first two episodes of Hulu's How I Met Your Father, Pilot and FOMO. Is this a fill-in for the Lizzie McGuire reboot that they have been craving? And how does it compare to the original How I Met Your Mother franchise. And what is their favorite entry level sedan? Plus, early guesses on who the father is.

Marisa and Kelsey are joined by fellow author Kaitlyn Hill to unpack the season one finale of Younger—and get particularly hung up, as romance authors, on grand gestures in the form of PowerPoint slideshows. They discuss auctions as depicted in Younger, and Liza's experience being blackmailed by the worst white-collar criminal in publishing. And at long last, they give some credit to Kelsey after her mess of an acquisition, for finally being friendship goals. Season one of Younger is a wrap! Links to follow Kaitlyn Hill: https://twitter.com/thekaitlynhill (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/thekaitlynhill/ (Instagram) Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey attend Lauren's hot mitzvah, an event filled with guilt gifts, manischewitz, molly...and the truth! Marisa bows down to Lauren and the inclusion of casual Jewish rep on Younger and asks, once again, why Kelsey (the character!) is seemingly unable to do her job. Kelsey (the co-host!) discusses Liza's "Book Doctor" audition, a gig that neither Marisa nor Kelsey are familiar with. And, of course, they discuss Liza's big reveal to Josh! Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Every week, Marisa and Kelsey question the choices that Kelsey (Peters) makes as an editor. This week, their guest is Shelly Romero, an Assistant Editor that works in children's publishing--and she is here to unpack the scandal that is The Scarf and confirm that Kelsey is, in fact, the worst at her job. Shelly shares her insights as an editor and shines some light on the acquisitions process, which no, is not as simple as, "make an offer." With the reveal that Kelsey lives with Lauren's rich parents, they also discuss privilege, generational wealth, and its role in the makeup of the publishing industry. Shelly also has some scorching hot Josh takes that, quite frankly, Marisa and Kelsey are still recovering from. Links to follow Shelly Romero: https://twitter.com/_smromero (Twitter) | https://www.shellymromero.com/ (Website) Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey learn that (gasp!) Josh doesn't read in Younger Episode 109: I'm With Stupid, where Liza is searching through the slush pile -- and for reasons to self-sabotage her relationship. Kelsey imagines a world where there are still physical slush-piles for editors to peruse, then asks why Liza is even doing this when she works in marketing? Marisa waxes poetic at the ethics surrounding bringing an unrepresented, unpublished manuscript to a suburban book club! And setting up a Goodreads page for it! As authors, Marisa and Kelsey both find this concerning to say the least. As people, they find Liza's elitist attitude toward Josh's lack of a traditional education also concerning. Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

This week, Marisa and Kelsey are going to the PEN Awards, and are joined by the lovely Jess Dallow, a literary agent at Brower Literary & Management, who is here just in time for substantial Charles content (FINALLY!). Marisa is at a loss as to why Liza, a marketing assistant, is so involved in the publicity responsibilities of Empirical's PEN planning. Kelsey explores what a fun dynamic we could have had if Diana was Kelsey's boss... because WHO is Kelsey's boss? Jess shares her thoughts on the agent representation in Younger, a mini-dissertation on why we should all be Team Charles, and a fun story about her real life run-in with the man who plays Charles himself, Peter Hermann! Links to follow Jess Dallow: https://twitter.com/jldallow (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/jldallow/ (Instagram ) Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey discuss Liza's various creative side hustles in Younger Episode 107: Broke and Pantyless, as no one is in (entry level) publishing for the money! Marisa loved that Charles' is finally introduced as a love interest... but not so much the way introduction went. Kelsey gives an ode to Lauren, a supportive queen. And of course, they have to talk about Anton (ugh) and Kelsey's full commitment to an affair with her client. That's going to end well... Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey are joined by author and Mean Girls extra, Annette Christie, and they're going to a book launch! At a bar! With champagne and peacocks! Marisa is stressed by the conflation of marketing and publicity and emphasizes that planning a launch event is NOT Liza's job. Kelsey asks a truly ridiculous question: if it's a launch event, where are the books? And Annette declares Marisa and Kelsey 'earnest millennials' and gives the behind-the-scenes scoop (as a celebrity background actor) on why extras in party scenes have no rhythm. She also 'Annabelle Bancrofts' Marisa and Kelsey's books titles! Links to follow Annette Christie: https://www.annettechristie.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/MsAnnetteMC (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/msannettemc/ (Instagram ) Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey discuss all things menstrual cups and female friendship in Younger Episode 105: Girl Code, a publishing-lite episode in which Liza becomes part of Kelsey's inner circle and CHARLES BROOKS IS IN THE BUILDING! Marisa and Kelsey are extremely underwhelmed by his entrance! They will also try to guess what in the world the latest empirical repackaging project is about. Wrong answers only. Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey are joined by Auriane Desombre, author of I Think I Love You, to verify Josh's himbo status and discuss Kelsey's messy, unprofessional behavior toward her very first acquisition. Featuring: Who in the world DOESN'T BELIEVE IN MARKETING THEIR BOOK? Drunk tattoos Marisa, Kelsey, and Auriane would get for their debuts! More airtime for Charles than he has received on the show up to this point, as there has been NONE. Links to follow Auriane Desombre: https://www.aurianedesombre.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/aurianedesombre (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/aurianedesombre/?hl=en (Instagram ) Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey are back to discuss Younger Episode 103: IRL, a publishing-lite episode in which Liza and Josh get intimate and Kelsey is determined to acquire The Swede's book. They appreciate Kelsey's hustle... but not the incredibly unprofessional editor / author relationship that develops. They also ask, once again, who is Kelsey's boss? Where is the editorial team? Where is CHARLES? Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Marisa and Kelsey are joined by Rachel Lynn Solomon, bestselling author of The Ex Talk and Today Tonight Tomorrow, to discuss how Liza revolutionizes the publishing industry but the mere suggestion that a book should be published on Tuesday (gasp!). Marisa concedes to Josh's himbo charm, Kelsey has a fantastic AU Charles introduction, and Rachel reacts to the concept of a book's pub date changing a week before its release! We also get into the Joyce of it all... and realize that we really need to find someone who knows how foreign rights work! Links to follow Rachel Lynn Solomon: Website | https://twitter.com/rlynn_solomon (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/rlynn_solomon/ (Instagram ) Follow Older & Wiser on https://twitter.com/olderwisercast (Twitter) & https://www.instagram.com/olderwisercast/ (Instagram) Follow Marisa: https://www.marisakanter.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/marisakanter (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/marisakanter/ (Instagram) Follow Kelsey: https://www.kelseyrodkey.com/ (Website) | https://twitter.com/KelseyRodkey (Twitter) | https://www.instagram.com/krodk/ (Instagram)

Welcome to the first episode of Older & Wiser! In this episode, Marisa and Kelsey break down all things publishing in the pilot episode of Younger. Marisa has a lot of feelings about Jane Austen's Twitter account. Kelsey has a lot of feelings about Josh, a certified himbo. Both are more than willing to consult on shows about publishing. (Hollywood! If you're listening!)