Podcasts about rue mcclanahan

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are joined by director Adam Shankman to chat about his experience directing Betty White in the 2003 comedy hit "Bringing Down the House." Plus, he dishes on growing up in Hollywood, going to Bea Arthur's house, and hanging with Rue McClanahan!  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are joined by director Adam Shankman to chat about his experience directing Betty White in the 2003 comedy hit "Bringing Down the House." Plus, he dishes on growing up in Hollywood, going to Bea Arthur's house, and hanging with Rue McClanahan!  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

For the 175th episode of Another Pass, we had to talk about a cult classic so cultish and such a classic that it demanded two separate panels! That's right! For a discussion on Starship Troopers, Case and Sam are joined by John Lestrange (The History Wizard), Samantha Perez, Keith Lehtinen, and Mitch Punpayuk! Would you like to know more? Music by Vin Macri and Matt Brogan Podcast Edited by Sophia Ricciardi Overview Episode 175 of 'Certain POV's Another Pass' podcast explores Starship Troopers, addressing its satirical elements and impact on audiences, featuring two distinct panels. Personal viewing experiences highlight how initial interpretations of the film changed over time, with multiple guests recognizing the underlying satire. The film's satirical intent often missed by audiences; Poe's Law indicates difficulty in distinguishing extreme satire from genuine claims without clear indicators. Elements of fascism illustrated in the United Citizen Federation's military service requirements and portrayal of authority figures with war injuries. Propaganda within the film includes false flag operations, demonstrating dehumanization of 'bugs' and justifying violent military actions. Johnny Rico's character illustrates an alt-right pipeline, showing the process of radicalization through military indoctrination and societal pressure. Significant differences between the original book and movie adaptation noted, including a shift in character motivations and depictions of technology. Production challenges included injuries during boot camp training and instances of disrupted filming, showcasing the difficulties faced by the crew. Cultural impact acknowledged, as Starship Troopers influenced franchises like Starcraft and Helldivers, with modern audiences resonating with its themes. New adaptations are in development, including a Sony project directed by Neil Blomkamp, indicating ongoing interest in the Starship Troopers franchise.   Notes ️ Episode Introduction & Format (00:01 - 02:51) Episode 175 of 'Certain POV's Another Pass' podcast discussing Starship Troopers as a movie that overcame adversity. Two-panel format with different guest combinations to cover extensive discussion topics. First panel features Case Aiken, Sam Alicea, John Lestrange, and Samantha Perez focusing on sociological themes. Second panel includes Case Aiken, Sam Alicea, Keith Lehtinen, and Mitch Punpayuk discussing filmmaking aspects. Personal Experiences with Starship Troopers (04:08 - 16:01) Case Aiken saw it at age 13 in 1997, initially missed satirical elements, took it as straightforward action film. Sam Alicea watched at 16-17, uncomfortable with bugs but recognized something 'off' about the film. John Lestrange first viewing at age 7 when released, watched for first time yesterday with Holocaust studies background. Samantha Perez saw chopped TV versions as teenager, recently rewatched with fresh perspective. Keith Lehtinen was 14 when released, became aware of actors through this film, Dina Meyer was first crush. Mitch Punpayuk saw at 15, bought DVD before owning DVD player, waited two years to watch it. Satirical Elements & Reception Analysis (20:09 - 29:48) Movie functions as fascist propaganda satire but audiences often missed the satirical intent. Poe's Law applies - satirical expressions of extremist views indistinguishable from actual extremist views without clear indicators. 1997 timing problematic for satire reception - post-Cold War, pre-9/11 context limited audience understanding. Director Paul Verhoeven grew up in Nazi-occupied Netherlands, assumed audience familiarity with fascist themes. Susan Sontag's 'Fascinating Fascisms' (1975) referenced - Nazi ideal of 'brave, pretty and stupid' Aryan forces. ️ Fascist Society Elements (24:14 - 01:01:13) United Citizen Federation requires military service for citizenship and voting rights. All adult authority figures shown with missing limbs or severe scarring from military service. 14 characteristics of fascism present but modified - notably lacks typical gender hierarchy/sexism. Reproduction licensing system makes having children difficult for non-citizens. Public flogging and televised executions as standard punishments. Bug War Propaganda Analysis (30:42 - 40:12) Buenos Aires meteor attack potentially false flag operation rather than bug weapon. Mormon colony massacre on bug territory used as justification despite humans being invaders. 'Would you like to know more?' segments function as in-universe propaganda reels. Children encouraged to stomp bugs in disturbing propaganda scene. Brain bug capture presented as victory but war clearly being lost. ‍️ Character Development & Military Pipeline (51:47 - 01:00:16) Johnny Rico represents alt-right pipeline - young man radicalized through military indoctrination. Carmen Ibanez portrayed as ambitious, prioritizing military career over relationships. Dizzy Flores changed from male character in book to female love interest. Carl Jenkins represents military intelligence, disappears into classified operations. Sergeant Zim and Lieutenant Rasczak serve as father figures in military structure. Book vs Movie Adaptation (23:13 - 28:17) Originally titled 'Bug Hunt at Outpost 7' before being adapted to Starship Troopers. Director didn't finish reading Heinlein's book, called it 'too boring'. Mobile Infantry in book wore powered armor with jump jets, removed due to budget/wire work complexity. Bugs more technologically advanced in book, movie presents them as purely biological. Buenos Aires not Rico's hometown in book, major plot change for personal motivation. Production Challenges & Behind-the-Scenes (39:34 - 07:35) Cast underwent intensive boot camp training, Casper Van Dien and Dina Meyer sustained injuries during filming. Intoxicated crew member mentioned bomb on flight, disrupting production travel. Pre-visualization test at Vasquez Rocks convinced TriStar to fund after Waterworld concerns. 15-foot practical ship models used alongside CGI for space scenes. Starship Trooper armor reused in multiple productions including Power Rangers, Firefly, Planet of the Apes. Special Effects & Technical Aspects (08:52 - 06:24) Mix of practical and CGI effects particularly effective for bug creatures. Netflix 4K viewing shows quality variations, some scenes appear grainy especially green screen backgrounds. Brain bug close-ups noted as particularly disturbing and well-designed. Space scenes generally poor quality except for specific flight sequences. Cultural Impact & Legacy (14:18 - 17:26) Starcraft, Warhammer 40K, and Helldivers directly influenced by Starship Troopers aesthetics. Five-movie franchise plus Roughnecks CGI TV series expanded universe. Modern resonance with current political climate makes satirical elements more apparent. Gif culture frequently references film during political tensions. Cast & Casting Decisions (17:18 - 21:57) Unknown actors cast intentionally to look 'authentically young' but appear older due to training. Mark Wahlberg and Matt Damon auditioned for Rico role. Dina Meyer originally read for Carmen, chose Dizzy role instead. Neil Patrick Harris commentary recorded pre-How I Met Your Mother fame. Character actors include Amy Smart, Seth Gilliam, Timothy Omundson in small roles. Audience Reception & Box Office (15:07 - 20:09) Test audiences disliked Carmen character, preferred Dizzy. Critical reception missed satirical intent, even thoughtful reviewers uncertain. Box office made budget back but not considered major success. Cult classic status developed over time as satirical elements became more apparent. Thematic Analysis (34:39 - 51:47) Dehumanization through 'bug' imagery parallels historical genocidal rhetoric. Violence as societal foundation explicitly stated in film's philosophy. Military-industrial complex critique through endless war presentation. Youth radicalization process demonstrated through Rico's character arc. Future Adaptations (13:51 - 13:51) Sony developing new Starship Troopers adaptation directed by Neil Blomkamp. Helldivers movie also in development as spiritual successor.

This week, H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are breaking down Rue's 2009 appearance on "Celebrity Ghost Stories" which, up until last week, they had no idea existed! They discuss visiting each other beyond the grave, eaglets, and the moment in Rue's story that made them both s**t their pants.  Watch Rue's episode of Celebrity Ghost Hunters on YouTube Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week, H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are breaking down Rue's 2009 appearance on "Celebrity Ghost Stories" which, up until last week, they had no idea existed! They discuss visiting each other beyond the grave, eaglets, and the moment in Rue's story that made them both s**t their pants.  Watch Rue's episode of Celebrity Ghost Hunters on YouTube Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to another “Minisode” – where we zoom in on individual moments or facets of rejection we've come across in our research. This week, we talk about the golden piece of advice Rue McClanahan's mother gave her when she was told she'd never make it in television. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This episode features excerpts from the February 8th performance of Dennis Hensley's The MisMatch Game at the Los Angeles LGBT Center's Renberg Theatre. The panelists are Danny Casillas as Reba Areba, Jackie Beat as Bea Arthur, Sherry Vine as Rue McClanahan, Melissa Peterman as Rena Z., Felix Pire as Antonio Banderas and Tom Lenk as Tilda Swinton. The questions cover everyone from Jonathan Bailey to Betty White to Benson Boone. The evening was a bizonkers blast and raised over $4,100 for the Center. After the MisMatch Game clips, there's a super-sized So This Happened...where Dennis talks about the Oscar party he attended where he missed a trivia question about Centerstage, a delightful candle-making class he took at General Wax in North Hollywood, going dancing at the Kylie XCX night at Precinct hosted by past guests Mark Nubar and DJ Shyboy and attending the 25th Anniversary benefit screening of Coyote Ugly with most of the cast in attendance. It was true in 2000 and it's true today: you really can't fight the moonlight. 

Todays co-host is Angel Giacomo, Author, The Jackson Mackenzie book series  https://thejacksonmackenziechronicles.godaddysites.com/    You can also check Angel out on Goodreadsreads   https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/20447913.Angel_GiacomoNational Sticky Buns day. Entertainment from 1974. Washington Monument completed, Alka Seltzer went on sale, NASCAR founded. Todays birthdays - Rue McClanahan, Alan Rickman, Tyne Daly, William Petersen, Kelsey Grammer, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Billy Baldwin, Jennifer Love Hewitt. Billy Graham died.Intro - God did good - Diana Corcoran   https://www.diannacorcoran.com/Sticky Bun - KidzonePillow talk - ZaynHome alone tonight - Luke Bryan  Karen FaircdhildAlka Seltzer commercialBirthdays - In da club - 50 Cent http://50cent.com/Golden Girls TV themeCSI TV themeFrazier TV themeDown at the twist and shout - Mary Chapin CarpenterHow do I deal - Jennifer Love HewittExit - Waffle House - Bobby Coolcountryundergroundradio.comcooolmedia.com

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch Rue McClanahan play a hoity toity version of Blanche Devereaux in a season 1 episode of "Touched by an Angel." They discuss why parts of the episode felt like The Golden Girls, the creepy music sting played whenever an angel does magic, and if angels are just not-scary-ghosts.  Watch the episode HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk2wHtZhLJ0 Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch Rue McClanahan play a hoity toity version of Blanche Devereaux in a season 1 episode of "Touched by an Angel." They discuss why parts of the episode felt like The Golden Girls, the creepy music sting played whenever an angel does magic, and if angels are just not-scary-ghosts. Watch the episode HERE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qk2wHtZhLJ0Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty revisit The Golden Girls season 2 premiere episode "End of the Curse!" They discuss why Rue McClanahan deserved her Emmy, the possible meaning behind Blanche wearing all-white, and how pregnancy tests work (at least how *we* think they work.)  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty revisit The Golden Girls season 2 premiere episode "End of the Curse!" They discuss why Rue McClanahan deserved her Emmy, the possible meaning behind Blanche wearing all-white, and how pregnancy tests work (at least how *we* think they work.) Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On March 16, 1974, a sketch appeared on The Carol Burnett Show featuring Carol Burnett, Vicki Lawrence and Harvey Korman portraying a “normal” American family -- warts and all. This sketch, known as “The Family”, led by a then 25 year-old Vicki Lawrence playing a gray-haired 63 year-old ‘Mama', spawned 30 more sketches, a TV Movie (Eunice) and finally a spin-off series of its own (Mama's Family) which ran for 130 episodes over six seasons both on CBS and in syndication (1983-1990).In “The Family”, Carol Burnett played the melodramatic, ambitious, brow-beaten daughter of ‘Mama'. Mama, played by Vicki Lawrence, is an exaggeratedly mean-spirited and insult-spitting widow and mother of five children: three sons played by guest stars Roddy McDowell, Alan Alda and Tom Smothers -- and two daughters: Eunice & Ellen (played by Betty White). Eunice's husband Ed Higgins was played by Harvey Korman.How did one simple sketch take on such a huge life of its own, creating a sprawling TV empire that some are calling “The Mama-Verse”? Susan and Sharon put on their housecoats and curly gray wigs to find out!THE CONVERSATIONCarol Burnett's career started with a Broadway role starring as the lead in Once Upon a Mattress and then as a rising star on The Garry Moore Show.The Carol Burnett Show was hugely successful, running eleven seasons, garnering 70 Emmy nominations and winning 25.Carol Burnett was encouraged to “speak up for herself” by another TV comedy legend -- Lucille Ball.A fan letter from then 18 year-old Vicki Lawrence to Carol Burnett led to her actually being cast as a regular on the show!“HARVARD SCHOOL OF COMEDY”: Lawrence cites Harvey Korman and Carol Burnett as her show business mentors during the 11 years she spent on the show.ONE-HIT WONDER: Five years into her run on The Carol Burnett Show, Lawrence had a hit song, recording “The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia”!In the TV movie Eunice, Mama suddenly only has three children instead of five -- what happened to the others? And why is one of them suddenly Ken Berry?Vicki Lawrence was nominated for an Emmy for her portrayal of ‘Mama' in Eunice.The TV series Mama's Family was aired first as a prime-time network comedy and later as a nationally syndicated series. It originally ran for two years on CBS, was cancelled in 1984 -- and then revived TWO YEARS LATER in 1986 by Lorimar Syndication to run for additional 100 episodes!NAME SWITCH: The character Ken Berry played started out as “Phillip” in the TV-movie but then became “Vinton” in the TV series.The TV show introduced “Fran” played by future Golden Girl, Rue McClanahan -- playing Betty White's aunt!The TV show also introduced Vinton's children Buzz and Sonya played by “80's TV Ladies” alum, Eric Brown and actress Karin Argoud.Mama's neighbor, Naomi Oates, was played by “Another World” “The Nanny” and now “80s TV Ladies” alum, Dorothy Lyman!So join Susan and Sharon as they talk Lou Grant, social justice, Julie Andrews and the first Live Televised Cinderella musical, “Raytown, Missouri”, Kamala Harris, Matlock, driving your own story -- and “Miss Fireball of Inglewood”!AUDIO-OGRAPHYWatch The Carol Burnett Show and Mama's Family across many platforms. Not all of them feature all seasons. The Carol Burnett Show can be seen for free on Pluto TV. Mama's Family can be seen for free on Pluto TV.The Carol Burnett Show “The Family” select episodes:S7, EP23 - Aired 3/16/1974 - Jackson Five and Roddy McDowall.The first of “The Family” sketches. “The Reunion  - Eunice's brother Phil (Roddy McDowall), a Nobel and Pulitzer prize winning author, returns home for a visit. On YouTube.S8, EP13 - Aired 12/21/1974 - Alan Alda“Home for the Holidays”Christmas sketch with Alan Alda on YouTube. VITAL READINGGet Handbook for A Post-Roe America by Robin Marty at Bookshop.org.Check out Men In Dark Times by Hannah Ahrendt at Bookshop.org.Read Democracy Awakening by Heather Cox Richardson at Bookshop.org.You can also follow Heather's substack.SHOPLAST WEEK FOR THE “80's TV LADIES” HOLIDAY SALE!15% off on all merch at the 8TL Shop. Make sure to use promo code “Festive80s”!CONNECTVisit 80sTVLadies.com for transcripts and more.Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list.Support us and get ad-free episodes on PATREON. In Honor of President Carter and to learn more about his presidency: Get Susan's new play about him and his Crisis of Confidence speech: Confidence (and the Speech) at Broadway Licensing.

Chelsea and producer Kristina Lopez hold space for a few hot topics, from a viral “Wicked” moment to Megan Thee Stallion's powerful documentary, “In Her Words.” They reminisce about the “Golden Girls” moments that shaped their lives before diving into an encore of the episode on Rue McClanahan's 2008 memoir, “My First Five Husbands ... and the Ones Who Got Away” featuring guest Sofiya Alexandra. A must-listen rerun with a brand-new treat! A content warning: This episode contains discussions of sensitive topics, including domestic violence, suicide, and abuse. Take care while listening and find helpful resources here. Where to order Chelsea's book: Bookshop.org  Find other places to order Follow Chelsea: Instagram @chelseadevantez Join the cookie community: Become a member of the Patreon Show Notes: Megan Thee Stallion's “In Her Words” documentary Megan Thee Stallion's 2020 BET Awards Performance Wicked “Holding Space” interview with Out Magazine TikTok - ScarJo Holding Space (for her Skincare Line) Tiktok - Holding Space at Mac Cosmetics “Wicked” Stars Ariana Grande & Cynthia Erivo Break Down Viral 'Holding Space' Interview (Variety) Betty White Memoir Episode Lauren Bacall Memoir Episode Lucille Ball Memoir Episode Where to find our Guest: Kristina Lopez Instagram *** Glamorous Trash is all about going high and low at the same time— Glam and Trash. We recap and book club celebrity memoirs, deconstruct pop culture, and sometimes, we cry! If you've ever referenced Mariah Carey in therapy... then this is the podcast for you. Thank you to our sponsors: Visit Brooklinen.com and use code TRASH to get $20 off your order of $100 or more. Libro.fm - Click here to get 2 audiobooks for the price of 1 with your first month of membership using code TRASH. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch Bea Arthur and Rue McClanahan shine in the delightfully festive season 4 episode of Maude titled, "The Christmas Party." They discuss Rue's dress that was giving Wicked vibes, awkward moments at holiday parties, and why Santa's suit should always be filthy. Watch "The Christmas Party on YouTube.Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch Bea Arthur and Rue McClanahan shine in the delightfully festive season 4 episode of Maude titled, "The Christmas Party." They discuss Rue's dress that was giving Wicked vibes, awkward moments at holiday parties, and why Santa's suit should always be filthy.  Watch "The Christmas Party on YouTube. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

“I was the highest paid actor in Hollywood -- if you were counting by the word.”           - actor Eric Brown THE CONVERSATIONTAKING THE PIPPIN BUS: Nine-year-old Eric played the lead in the original touring company of Bob Fosse's Pippin! “It was 1974. I was the only child in a cast of adults. One-and-two-night stands. In a bus. Thirty states. Six months.”PRIVATE LESSONS: The lead got fired -- so Eric was promoted to star!15 GOING ON 30: In Private Lessons, Fifteen year-old Eric Brown, played a fifteen-year-old -- being seduced by a thirty-year-old woman! “My wife is still mad at my mother for letting me play that role!”KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL: Eric was kicked out of St. Francis Prep School for being in Private Lessons: “They said, “We think you'd do better at another school considering your career goals.” It was a very Franciscan way of saying, “Get out”.”MAMA'S FAMILY: “You know the rumors that Betty White had a dirty streak? All true.”On working with Carol Burnett, Vicki Lawrence, Dorothy Lyman, Betty White, Rue McClanahan and Harvey Korman: “Everyone was so funny -- you were always laughing. They were constantly futzing, because they knew what was funny -- and if it wasn't, they would fix it."DIRECTOR SPLIT: Mama's Family had TWO directors: Harvey Korman worked with the actors, while someone else blocked out the camera moves (Roger Beatty).THE METAVERSE OF MAMA'S FAMILY: Vicki Lawrence started playing the at least 63-year-old “Mama” when she was in her late 20's!THE EPISODE THAT NEVER WAS: Eric pitched an episode where he and Ken Barry -- both tap dancers -- could dance together in a talent show.  But it never happened.TAKE THE TOUPEE: Carol Burnett would do anything for a laugh -- including pulling the hairpiece off a certain co-star during taping -- when no one was expecting it!BAD NEWS, GOOD NEWS, WORSE NEWS -- Mama's Family gets cancelled.  Then it comes back!  But not with Eric.LOVING LAURA HOLT: After Private Lessons, Eric did a replay on Remington Steele -- playing a kid with a crush on an “older woman”: “I was head over heels in love with Stephanie Zimbalist. In real life!”BE KIND, REWIND: After jobs dried up in Hollywood, Eric moved to Monterey and got a job in a video store: “I was renting movies to people that I WAS IN.”FIRST RULE OF COMMUNICATION: For the MacArthur Foundation or a lost chicken in Queens: Know your goal.WHAT CAN ONE PERSON DO TO HELP THE WORLD? Find what you love and offer that.So, join Susan and Sharon -- and Eric -- as they talk Listerine commercials, the Clinton campaign, Jon de Bont, Sarah Jessica Parker, Howard Hessman, Barry Williams, On Golden Pond, Ian Ziering, curfew “double standards”, working with women directors, Jerry Reed, Emmanuelle, Fred Willard -- and evil twins!  AUDIO-OGRAPHYWatch Mama's Family for free on Pluto TV.Listen to Eric Brown's podcast about philanthropy, Let's Hear it. Or on Apple. Check out what Eric Brown is doing now at Brownbridgestrategies.com.Enjoy Eric's blog about traveling the world with his wife at Eat, Bicker, Love.PLUS -- AN “80's TV LADIES” HOLIDAY SALE!Get 15% off on all merch at 80s TV Ladies Shop on Fourthwall.Make sure to use promo code “Festive80s”!  CONNECTVisit 80sTVLadies.com for transcripts.Sign up for the 80s TV Ladies mailing list.Support us and get ad-free episodes on PATREON.This year is the 45th anniversary of President Carter's Crisis of Confidence speech. Get Susan's new play about it: Confidence (and the Speech) at Broadway Licensing. 

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch the 1995 made-for-TV movie "A Holiday to Remember," starring Rue McClanahan as the opposite of Blanche Devereaux. They discuss Rue's plentiful hat collection, Randy Travis's awful acting chops, and the general store owner who sounded way too much like Al Pacino. Watch "A Holiday to Remember" on YouTube. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch the 1995 made-for-TV movie "A Holiday to Remember," starring Rue McClanahan as the opposite of Blanche Devereaux. They discuss Rue's plentiful hat collection, Randy Travis's awful acting chops, and the general store owner who sounded way too much like Al Pacino.Watch "A Holiday to Remember" on YouTube.Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Erotic Thriller Club has yet again set a new bar for the weirdest movie we've watched so far! Billy Zane and Gina Gershon as incestuous, murderous twin is truly something to behold. Believe it or not, this movie is a COMEDY! From the opening scene this movie is an absolute roller coaster ride from hell!

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch Rue McClanahan's guest star appearance in a 2003 episode of the short-lived NBC sitcom, Whoopi! They discuss Rue's subtle "high" acting, why the episode had too many messages, and how the Golden Girls would have behaved after smoking a ton of weed.  Vote to make the Golden Girls LEGO set a reality: https://ideas.lego.com/projects/591a5b3f-11b8-4276-be37-4dbd89e43a1e Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch Rue McClanahan's guest star appearance in a 2003 episode of the short-lived NBC sitcom, Whoopi! They discuss Rue's subtle "high" acting, why the episode had too many messages, and how the Golden Girls would have behaved after smoking a ton of weed. Vote to make the Golden Girls LEGO set a reality: https://ideas.lego.com/projects/591a5b3f-11b8-4276-be37-4dbd89e43a1eJoin the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This week on the blog, a podcast interview with playwright and screenwriter Jeffrey Hatcher on Columbo, Sherlock Holmes, favorite mysteries and more!LINKSA Free Film Book for You: https://dl.bookfunnel.com/cq23xyyt12Another Free Film Book: https://dl.bookfunnel.com/x3jn3emga6Fast, Cheap Film Website: https://www.fastcheapfilm.com/Jeffrey Hatcher Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.hatcher.3/The Good Liar (Trailer): https://youtu.be/ljKzFGpPHhwMr. Holmes (Trailer): https://youtu.be/0G1lIBgk4PAStage Beauty (Trailer): https://youtu.be/-uc6xEBfdD0Columbo Clips from “Ashes to Ashes”Clip One: https://youtu.be/OCKECiaFsMQClip Two: https://youtu.be/BbO9SDz9FEcClip Three: https://youtu.be/GlNDAVAwMCIEli Marks Website: https://www.elimarksmysteries.com/Albert's Bridge Books Website: https://www.albertsbridgebooks.com/YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/BehindthePageTheEliMarksPodcastTRANSCRIPTJohn: Can you remember your very first mystery, a movie, book, TV show, play, a mystery that really captured your imagination? Jeffrey: You know, I was thinking about this, and what came to mind was a Disney movie called Emile and the Detectives from 1964. So, I would have been six or seven years old. It's based on a series of German books by Eric Kastner about a young man named Emile and his group of friends who think of themselves as detectives. So, I remember that—I know that might've been the first film. And obviously it's not a play because, you know, little kids don't tend to go to stage thrillers or mysteries and, “Daddy, please take me to Sleuth.But there was a show called Burke's Law that I really loved. Gene Barry played Captain Amos Burke of the Homicide Division in Los Angeles, and he was very rich. That was the bit. The bit was that Captain Burke drove around in a gorgeous Rolls Royce Silver Ghost, and he had a chauffeur. And every mystery was structured classically as a whodunit.In fact, I think every title of every episode was “Who Killed Cock Robin?” “Who Killed Johnny Friendly?” that kind of thing. And they would have a cast of well-known Hollywood actors, so they were all of equal status. Because I always think that's one of the easiest ways to guess the killer is if it's like: Unknown Guy, Unknown Guy, Derek Jacobi, Unknown Guy, Unknown Guy. It's always going to be Derek Jacobi. John: Yeah, it's true. I remember that show. He was really cool. Jim: Well, now I'm going to have to look that up.Jeffrey: It had a great score, and he would gather all of the suspects, you know, at the end of the thing. I think my favorite was when he caught Paul Lynde as a murderer. And, of course, Paul Lynde, you know, kept it very low key when he was dragged off. He did his Alice Ghostly impersonation as he was taken away.John: They did have very similar vocal patterns, those two.Jeffrey: Yep. They're kind of the exact same person. Jim: I never saw them together. John: You might have on Bewitched. Jim: You're probably right.Jeffrey: Well, I might be wrong about this, either Alice Ghostly or Charlotte Ray went to school with Paul Lynde. And Charlotte Ray has that same sound too. You know, kind of warbly thing. Yes. I think they all went to Northwestern in the late 40s and early 50s. So maybe that was a way that they taught actors back then. John: They learned it all from Marion Horne, who had the very same warble in her voice. So, as you got a little older, were there other mysteries that you were attracted to?Jeffrey: Yeah. Luckily, my parents were very liberal about letting me see things that other people probably shouldn't have. I remember late in elementary school, fifth grade or so, I was reading Casino Royale. And one of the teachers said, “Well, you know, most kids, we wouldn't want to have read this, but it's okay if you do.”And I thought, what's that? And I'm so not dangerous; other kids are, well they would be affected oddly by James Bond? But yeah, I, I love spy stuff. You know, The Man from Uncle and The Wild Wild West, all those kind of things. I love James Bond. And very quickly I started reading the major mysteries. I think probably the first big book that I remember, the first novel, was The Hound of the Baskervilles. That's probably an entrance point for a lot of kids. So that's what comes in mind immediately. Jim: I certainly revisit that on—if not yearly basis, at least every few years I will reread The Hound of the Baskervilles. Love that story. That's good. Do you have, Jeffrey, favorite mystery fiction writers?Jeffrey: Oh, sure. But none of them are, you know, bizarre Japanese, Santa Domingo kind of writers that people always pull out of their back pockets to prove how cool they are. I mean, they're the usual suspects. Conan Doyle and Christie and Chandler and Hammett, you know, all of those. John Dickson Carr, all the locked room mysteries, that kind of thing. I can't say that I go very far off in one direction or another to pick up somebody who's completely bizarre. But if you go all the way back, I love reading Wilkie Collins.I've adapted at least one Wilkie Collins, and they read beautifully. You know, terrifically put together, and they've got a lot of blood and thunder to them. I think he called them sensation novels as opposed to mysteries, but they always have some mystery element. And he was, you know, a close friend of Charles Dickens and Dickens said that there were some things that Collins taught him about construction. In those days, they would write their novels in installments for magazines. So, you know, the desire or the need, frankly, to create a cliffhanger at the end of every episode or every chapter seems to have been born then from a capitalist instinct. John: Jeff, I know you studied acting. What inspired the move into playwriting?Jeffrey: I don't think I was a very good actor. I was the kind of actor who always played older, middle aged or older characters in college and high school, like Judge Brack in Hedda Gabler, those kind of people. My dream back in those days was to play Dr. Dysart in Equus and Andrew Wyke in Sleuth. So, I mean, that was my target. And then I moved to New York, and I auditioned for things and casting directors would say, “Well, you know, we actually do have 50 year old actors in New York and we don't need to put white gunk in their hair or anything like that. So, why don't you play your own age, 22 or 23?” And I was not very good at playing 22 or 23. But I'd always done some writing, and a friend of mine, Graham Slayton, who was out at the Playwrights Center here, and we'd gone to college together. He encouraged me to write a play, you know, write one act, and then write a full length. So, I always say this, I think most people go into the theater to be an actor, you know, probably 98%, and then bit by bit, we, you know, we peel off. We either leave the profession completely or we become directors, designers, writers, what have you. So, I don't think it's unnatural what I did. It's very rare to be like a Tom Stoppard who never wanted to act. It's a lot more normal to find the Harold Pinter who, you know, acted a lot in regional theaters in England before he wrote The Caretaker.Jim: Fascinating. Can we talk about Columbo?Jeffrey: Oh, yes, please. Jim: This is where I am so tickled pink for this conversation, because I was a huge and am a huge Peter Falk Columbo fan. I went back and watched the episode Ashes To Ashes, with Patrick McGowan that you created. Tell us how that came about. Jeffrey: I too was a huge fan of Columbo in the 70s. I remember for most of its run, it was on Sunday nights. It was part of that murder mystery wheel with things like Hec Ramsey and McCloud, right? But Columbo was the best of those, obviously. Everything, from the structure—the inverted mystery—to thw guest star of the week. Sometimes it was somebody very big and exciting, like Donald Pleasence or Ruth Gordon, but often it was slightly TV stars on the skids.John: Jack Cassidy, Jim: I was just going to say Jack Cassidy.Jeffrey: But at any rate, yeah, I loved it. I loved it. I remembered in high school, a friend and I doing a parody of Columbo where he played Columbo and I played the murderer of the week. And so many years later, when they rebooted the show in the nineties, my father died and I spent a lot of time at the funeral home with the funeral director. And having nothing to say to the funeral director one day, I said, “Have you got the good stories?”And he told me all these great stories about, you know, bodies that weren't really in the casket and what you can't cremate, et cetera. So, I suddenly had this idea of a Hollywood funeral director to the stars. And, via my agent, I knew Dan Luria, the actor. He's a close friend or was a close friend of Peter's. And so, he was able to take this one-page idea and show it to Peter. And then, one day, I get a phone call and it's, “Uh, hello Jeff, this is Peter Falk calling. I want to talk to you about your idea.” And they flew me out there. It was great fun, because Falk really ran the show. He was the executive producer at that point. He always kind of ran the show. I think he only wrote one episode, the one with Faye Dunaway, but he liked the idea.I spent a lot of time with him, I'd go to his house where he would do his drawings back in the studio and all that. But what he said he liked about it was he liked a new setting, they always liked a murderer and a setting that was special, with clues that are connected to, say, the murderer's profession. So, the Donald Pleasant one about the wine connoisseur and all the clues are about wine. Or the Dick Van Dyke one, where he's a photographer and most of the clues are about photography. So, he really liked that. And he said, “You gotta have that first clue and you gotta have the pop at the end.”So, and we worked on the treatment and then I wrote the screenplay. And then he asked McGoohan if he would do it, and McGoohan said, “Well, if I can direct it too.” And, you know, I've adored McGoohan from, you know, Secret Agent and The Prisoner. I mean, I'd say The Prisoner is like one of my favorite television shows ever. So, the idea that the two of them were going to work together on that script was just, you know, it was incredible. John: Were you able to be there during production at all? Jeffrey: No, I went out there about four times to write, because it took like a year or so. It was a kind of laborious process with ABC and all that, but I didn't go out during the shooting.Occasionally, this was, you know, the days of faxes, I'd get a phone call: “Can you redo something here?” And then I'd fax it out. So, I never met McGoohan. I would only fax with him. But they built this whole Hollywood crematorium thing on the set. And Falk was saying at one point, “I'm getting pushback from Universal that we've got to do all this stuff. We've got to build everything.” And I was saying, “Well, you know, 60 percent of the script takes place there. If you're going to try to find a funeral home like it, you're going to have all that hassle.” And eventually they made the point that, yeah, to build this is going to cost less than searching around Hollywood for the right crematorium, And it had a great cast, you know, it had Richard Libertini and Sally Kellerman, and Rue McClanahan was our murder victim.Jim: I'll tell you every scene that Peter Falk and Mr. McGoohan had together. They looked to me as an actor, like they were having a blast being on together. Jeffrey: They really loved each other. They first met when McGoohan did that episode, By Dawn's Early Light, where he played the head of the military school. It's a terrific episode. It was a great performance. And although their acting styles are completely different, You know, Falk much more, you know, fifties, methody, shambolic. And McGoohan very, you know, his voice cracking, you know, and very affected and brittle. But they really loved each other and they liked to throw each other curveballs.There are things in the, in the show that are ad libs that they throw. There's one bit, I think it's hilarious. It's when Columbo tells the murderer that basically knows he did it, but he doesn't have a way to nail him. And, McGoohan is saying, “So then I suppose you have no case, do you?” And Falk says, “Ah, no, sir, I don't.” And he walks right off camera, you know, like down a hallway. And McGoohan stares off and says, “Have you gone?” And none of that was scripted. Peter just walks off set. And if you watch the episode, they had to dub in McGoohan saying, “Have you gone,” because the crew was laughing at the fact that Peter just strolled away. So McGoohan adlibs that and then they had to cover it later to make sure the sound wasn't screwed up. Jim: Fantastic. John: Kudos to you for that script, because every piece is there. Every clue is there. Everything pays off. It's just it is so tight, and it has that pop at the end that he wanted. It's really an excellent, excellent mystery.Jim: And a terrific closing line. Terrific closing line. Jeffrey: Yeah, that I did right. That was not an ad lib. Jim: It's a fantastic moment. And he, Peter Falk, looks just almost right at the camera and delivers that line as if it's, Hey, check this line out. It was great. Enjoyed every minute of it. Can we, um, can I ask some questions about Sherlock Holmes now?Jeffrey: Oh, yes. Jim: So, I enjoyed immensely Holmes and Watson that I saw a couple summers ago at Park Square. I was completely riveted and had no, absolutely no idea how it was going to pay off or who was who or what. And when it became clear, it was so much fun for me as an audience member. So I know that you have done a number of Holmes adaptations.There's Larry Millet, a St. Paul writer here and I know you adapted him, but as far as I can tell this one, pillar to post was all you. This wasn't an adaptation. You created this out of whole cloth. Am I right on that? Jeffrey: Yes. The, the idea came from doing the Larry Millet one, actually, because Steve Hendrickson was playing Holmes. And on opening night—the day of opening night—he had an aortic aneurysm, which they had to repair. And so, he wasn't able to do the show. And Peter Moore, the director, he went in and played Holmes for a couple of performances. And then I played Holmes for like three performances until Steve could get back. But in the interim, we've sat around saying, “All right, who can we get to play the role for like a week?” And we thought about all of the usual suspects, by which I mean, tall, ascetic looking actors. And everybody was booked, everybody was busy. Nobody could do it. So that's why Peter did it, and then I did it.But it struck me in thinking about casting Holmes, that there are a bunch of actors that you would say, you are a Holmes type. You are Sherlock Holmes. And it suddenly struck me, okay, back in the day, if Holmes were real, if he died—if he'd gone over to the falls of Reichenbach—people probably showed up and say, “Well, I'm Sherlock Holmes.”So, I thought, well, let's take that idea of casting Holmes to its logical conclusion: That a couple of people would come forward and say, “I'm Sherlock Holmes,” and then we'd wrap it together into another mystery. And we're sitting around—Bob Davis was playing Watson. And I said, “So, maybe, they're all in a hospital and Watson has to come to figure out which is which. And Bob said, “Oh, of course, Watson's gonna know which one is Holmes.”And that's what immediately gave me the idea for the twist at the end, why Watson wouldn't know which one was Holmes. So, I'm very grateful whenever an idea comes quickly like that, but it depends on Steve getting sick usually. Jim: Well, I thoroughly enjoyed it. If it's ever staged again anywhere, I will go. There was so much lovely about that show, just in terms of it being a mystery. And I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes fan. I don't want to give too much away in case people are seeing this at some point, but when it starts to be revealed—when Pierce's character starts talking about the reviews that he got in, in the West End—I I almost wet myself with laughter. It was so perfectly delivered and well written. I had just a great time at the theater that night. Jeffrey: It's one of those things where, well, you know how it is. You get an idea for something, and you pray to God that nobody else has done it. And I couldn't think of anybody having done this bit. I mean, some people have joked and said, it's kind of To Tell the Truth, isn't it? Because you have three people who come on and say, “I'm Sherlock Holmes.” “I'm Sherlock Holmes.” “I'm Sherlock Holmes.” Now surely somebody has done this before, but Nobody had. Jim: Well, it's wonderful. John: It's all in the timing. So, what is the, what's the hardest part about adapting Holmes to this stage?Jeffrey: Well, I suppose from a purist point of view‑by which I mean people like the Baker Street Irregulars and other organizations like that, the Norwegian Explorers here in Minnesota‑is can you fit your own‑they always call them pastiches, even if they're not comic‑can you fit your own Holmes pastiche into the canon?People spend a lot of time working out exactly where Holmes and Watson were on any given day between 1878 and 1930. So, one of the nice things about Holmes and Watson was, okay, so we're going to make it take place during the three-year interregnum when Holmes is pretending to be dead. And it works if you fit Holmes and Watson in between The Final Problem and The Adventure of the Empty House, it works. And that's hard to do. I would say, I mean, I really love Larry Millett's book and all that, but I'm sure it doesn't fit, so to speak. But that's up to you to care. If you're not a purist, you can fiddle around any old way you like. But I think it's kind of great to, to, to have the, the BSI types, the Baker Street Irregular types say, “Yes, this clicked into place.”Jim: So that's the most difficult thing. What's the easiest part?Jeffrey: Well, I think it's frankly the language, the dialogue. Somebody pointed out that Holmes is the most dramatically depicted character in history. More than Robin Hood, more than Jesus Christ. There are more actor versions of Holmes than any other fictional character.We've been surrounded by Holmes speak. Either if we've read the books or seen the movies or seen any of the plays for over 140 years. Right. So, in a way, if you're like me, you kind of absorb that language by osmosis. So, for some reason, it's very easy for me to click into the way I think Holmes talks. That very cerebral, very fast, sometimes complicated syntax. That I find probably the easiest part. Working out the plots, you want them to be Holmesian. You don't want them to be plots from, you know, don't want the case to be solved in a way that Sam Spade would, or Philip Marlowe would. And that takes a little bit of work. But for whatever reason, it's the actor in you, it's saying, all right, if you have to ad lib or improv your way of Sherlock Holmes this afternoon, you know, you'd be able to do it, right? I mean, he really has permeated our culture, no matter who the actor is.Jim: Speaking of great actors that have played Sherlock Holmes, you adapted a movie that Ian McKellen played, and I just watched it recently in preparation for this interview.Having not seen it before, I was riveted by it. His performance is terrific and heartbreaking at the same time. Can we talk about that? How did you come to that project? And just give us everything.Jeffrey: Well, it's based on a book called A Slight Trick of the Mind by Mitch Cullen, and it's about a very old Sherlock Holmes in Surrey, tending to his bees, as people in Holmesland know that he retired to do. And it involves a couple of cases, one in Japan and one about 20 years earlier in his life that he's trying to remember. And it also has to do with his relationship with his housekeeper and the housekeeper's son. The book was given to me by Anne Carey, the producer, and I worked on it probably off and on for about five years.A lot of time was spent talking about casting, because you had to have somebody play very old. I remember I went to meet with Ralph Fiennes once because we thought, well, Ralph Fiennes could play him at his own age,‑then probably his forties‑and with makeup in the nineties.And Ralph said‑Ralph was in another film that I'd done‑and he said, “Oh, I don't wear all that makeup. That's just far too much.” And I said, “Well, you did in Harry Potter and The English Patient, you kind of looked like a melted candle.” And he said, “Yes, and I don't want to do that again.” So, we always had a very short list of actors, probably like six actors in the whole world And McKellen was one of them and we waited for him to become available And yeah, he was terrific. I'll tell you one funny story: One day, he had a lot of prosthetics, not a lot, but enough. He wanted to build up his cheekbones and his nose a bit. He wanted a bit, he thought his own nose was a bit too potatoish. So, he wanted a more Roman nose. So, he was taking a nap one day between takes. And they brought him in, said, “Ian, it's time for you to do the, this scene,” and he'd been sleeping, I guess, on one side, and his fake cheek and his nose had moved up his face. But he hadn't looked in the mirror, and he didn't know. So he came on and said, “Very well, I'm all ready to go.” And it was like Quasimodo.It's like 5:52 and they're supposed to stop shooting at six. And there was a mad panic of, Fix Ian's face! Get that cheekbone back where it's supposed to be! Knock that nose into place! A six o'clock, we go into overtime!” But it was very funny that he hadn't noticed it. You kind of think you'd feel if your own nose or cheekbone had been crushed, but of course it was a makeup. So, he didn't feel anything. Jim: This is just the, uh, the actor fan boy in me. I'm an enormous fan of his work straight across the board. Did you have much interaction with him and what kind of fella is he just in general?Jeffrey: He's a hoot. Bill Condon, the director, said, “Ian is kind of methody. So, when you see him on set, he'll be very decorous, you know, he'll be kind of like Sherlock Holmes.” And it was true, he goes, “Oh, Jeffrey Hatcher, it's very good to meet you.” And he was kind of slow talking, all that. Ian was like 72 then, so he wasn't that old. But then when it was all over, they were doing all those--remember those ice Dumps, where people dump a tub of ice on you? You have these challenges? A the end of shooting, they had this challenge, and Ian comes out in short shorts, and a bunch of ballet dancers surrounds him. And he's like, “Alright, everyone, let's do the ice challenge.” And, he turned into this bright dancer. He's kind of a gay poster boy, you know, ever since he was one of the most famous coming out of the last 20 some years. So, you know, he was suddenly bright and splashy and, you know, all that old stuff dropped away. He has all of his headgear at his house and his townhouse. He had a party for us at the end of shooting. And so, there's a Gandalf's weird hat and there's Magneto's helmet, you know, along with top hats and things like that. And they're all kind of lined up there. And then people in the crew would say, can I take a picture of you as Gandalf? “Well, why, of course,” and he does all that stuff. So no, he's wonderful. Jim: You do a very good impression as well. That was great. Now, how did you come to the project, The Good Liar, which again, I watched in preparation for this and was mesmerized by the whole thing, especially the mystery part of it, the ending, it was brilliant.How did you come to that project?Jeffrey: Well, again, it was a book and Warner Brothers had the rights to it. And because Bill and I had worked on Mr. Holmes--Bill Condon--Bill was attached to direct. And so I went in to talk about how to adapt it.This is kind of odd. It's again based in McKellen. In the meeting room at Warner Brothers, there was a life size version of Ian as Gandalf done in Legos. So, it was always, it'll be Ian McKellen and somebody in The Good Liar. Ian as the con man. And that one kind of moved very quickly, because something changed in Bill Condon's schedule. Then they asked Helen Mirren, and she said yes very quickly.And it's a very interesting book, but it had to be condensed rather a lot. There's a lot of flashbacks and going back and forth in time. And we all decided that the main story had to be about this one con that had a weird connection to the past. So, a lot of that kind of adaptation work is deciding what not to include, so you can't really be completely faithful to a book that way. But I do take the point with certain books. When my son was young, he'd go to a Harry Potter movie, and he'd get all pissed off. Pissed off because he'd say Dobby the Elf did a lot more in the book.But if it's a book that's not quite so well-known—The Good Liar isn't a terribly well-known book, nor was A Slight Trick of the Mind--you're able to have a lot more room to play. Jim: It's a very twisty story. Now that you're talking about the book, I'll probably have to go get the book and read it just for comparison. But what I saw on the screen, how did you keep it--because it was very clear at the end--it hits you like a freight train when it all sort of unravels and you start seeing all of these things. How did you keep that so clear for an audience? Because I'll admit, I'm not a huge mystery guy, and I'm not the brightest human, and yet I was able to follow that story completely.Jeffrey: Well, again, I think it's mostly about cutting things, I'm sure. And there are various versions of the script where there are a lot of other details. There's probably too much of one thing or another. And then of course, you know, you get in the editing room and you lose a couple of scenes too. These kinds of things are very tricky. I'm not sure that we were entirely successful in doing it, because you say, which is more important, surprise or suspense? Hitchcock used to have that line about, suspense is knowing there's a bomb under the table. And you watch the characters gather at the table. As opposed to simply having a bomb blow up and you didn't know about it.So, we often went back and forth about Should we reveal that the Helen Mirren character knows that Ian's character is doing something bad? Or do we try to keep it a secret until the end? But do you risk the audience getting ahead of you? I don't mind if the audience is slightly ahead. You know, it's that feeling you get in the theater where there's a reveal and you hear a couple of people say, “Oh, I knew it and they guessed it may be a minute before. But you don't want to get to the point where the audience is, you know, 20 minutes or a half an hour ahead of you.Jim: I certainly was not, I was not in any way. It unfolded perfectly for me in terms of it being a mystery and how it paid off. And Helen Mirren was brilliant. In fact, for a long time during it, I thought they were dueling con men, the way it was set up in the beginning where they were both entering their information and altering facts about themselves.I thought, “Oh, well, they're both con men and, and now we're going to see who is the better con man in the end.” And so. when it paid off. In a way different sort of way, it was terrific for me. Absolutely. Jeffrey: Well, and I thank you. But in a way, they were both con men. Jim: Yes, yes. But she wasn't a professional con man.Jeffrey: She wasn't just out to steal the money from him. She was out for something else. She was out for vengeance. Jim: Yes. Very good. Very, if you haven't seen it, The Good Liar folks, don't wait. I got it on Amazon prime and so can you.Jeffrey: I watched them do a scene, I was over there for about five days during the shooting.And watching the two of them work together was just unbelievable. The textures, the tones, the little lifts of the eyebrow, the shading on one word versus another. Just wonderful, wonderful stuff. Jim: Yeah. I will say I am a huge Marvel Cinematic Universe fan along with my son. We came to those together and I'm a big fan of that sort of movie. So I was delighted by this, because it was such a taut story. And I was involved in every second of what was going on and couldn't quite tell who the good guys were and who the bad guys were and how is this going to work and who's working with who?And it was great. And in my head, I was comparing my love for that sort of big blow it up with rayguns story to this very cerebral, internal. And I loved it, I guess is what I'm saying. And, I am, I think, as close to middle America as you're going to find in terms of a moviegoer. And I thought it was just dynamite. Jeffrey: It was very successful during the pandemic--so many things were when people were streaming--but it was weirdly successful when it hit Amazon or Netflix or whatever it was. And, I think you don't have to be British to understand two elderly people trying to find a relationship. And then it turns out that they both have reasons to hate and kill each other. But nonetheless, there is still a relationship there. So, I pictured a lot of lonely people watching The Good Liar and saying, “Yeah, I'd hang out with Ian McKellen, even if he did steal all my money.” John: Well, speaking of movies, I am occasionally handed notes here while we're live on the air from my wife. And she wants you to just say something about the adaptation you did of your play, Stage Beauty, and what that process was like and how, how that process went.Jeffrey: That was terrific because, primarily Richard Eyre--the director who used to run the National Theater and all that--because he's a theater man and the play's about theater. I love working with Bill Condon and I've loved working with Lassa Hallstrom and other people, but Richard was the first person to direct a film of any of my stuff. And he would call me up and say, “Well, we're thinking of offering it to Claire Danes.” or we're thinking…And usually you just hear later, Oh, somebody else got this role. But the relationship was more like a theater director and a playwright. I was there on set for rehearsals and all that.Which I haven't in the others. No, it was a wonderful experience, but I think primarily because the, the culture of theater saturated the process of making it and the process of rehearsing it and—again--his level of respect. It's different in Hollywood, everybody's very polite, they know they can fire you and you know, they can fire you and they're going to have somebody else write the dialogue if you're not going to do it, or if you don't do it well enough. In the theater, we just don't do that. It's a different world, a different culture, different kind of contracts too. But Richard really made that wonderful. And again, the cast that he put together: Billy Crudup and Claire and Rupert Everett and Edward Fox and Richard Griffiths. I remember one day when I was about to fly home, I told Richard Griffiths what a fan Evan-- my son, Evan--was of him in the Harry Potter movie. And he made his wife drive an hour to come to Shepperton with a photograph of him as Mr. Dursley that he could autograph for my son. John: Well, speaking of stage and adaptations, before we go into our lightning round here, you did two recent adaptations of existing thrillers--not necessarily mysteries, but thrillers--one of which Hitchcock made into a movie, which are Dial M for Murder and Wait Until Dark. And I'm just wondering what was that process for you? Why changes need to be made? And what kind of changes did you make?Jeffrey: Well, in both cases, I think you could argue that no, changes don't need to be made. They're wildly successful plays by Frederick Knott, and they've been successful for, you know, alternately 70 or 60 years.But in both cases, I got a call from a director or an artistic director saying, “We'd like to do it, but we'd like to change this or that.” And I'm a huge fan of Frederick Knott. He put things together beautifully. The intricacies of Dial M for Murder, you don't want to screw around with. And there are things in Wait Until Dark having to do just with the way he describes the set, you don't want to change anything or else the rather famous ending won't work. But in both cases, the women are probably not the most well drawn characters that he ever came up with. And Wait Until Dark, oddly, they're in a Greenwich Village apartment, but it always feels like they're really in Westchester or in Terre Haute, Indiana. It doesn't feel like you're in Greenwich Village in the 60s, especially not in the movie version with Audrey Hepburn. So, the director, Matt Shackman, said, why don't we throw it back into the 40s and see if we can have fun with that. And so it played out: The whole war and noir setting allowed me to play around with who the main character was. And I know this is a cliche to say, well, you know, can we find more agency for female characters in old plays or old films? But in a sense, it's true, because if you're going to ask an actress to play blind for two hours a night for a couple of months, it can't just be, I'm a blind victim. And I got lucky and killed the guy. You've got a somewhat better dialogue and maybe some other twists and turns. nSo that's what we did with Wait Until Dark. And then at The Old Globe, Barry Edelstein said, “well, you did Wait Until Dark. What about Dial? And I said, “Well, I don't think we can update it, because nothing will work. You know, the phones, the keys. And he said, “No, I'll keep it, keep it in the fifties. But what else could you What else could you do with the lover?”And he suggested--so I credit Barry on this--why don't you turn the lover played by Robert Cummings in the movie into a woman and make it a lesbian relationship? And that really opened all sorts of doors. It made the relationship scarier, something that you really want to keep a secret, 1953. And I was luckily able to find a couple of other plot twists that didn't interfere with any of Knott's original plot.So, in both cases, I think it's like you go into a watch. And the watch works great, but you want the watch to have a different appearance and a different feel when you put it on and tick a little differently. John: We've kept you for a way long time. So, let's do this as a speed round. And I know that these questions are the sorts that will change from day to day for some people, but I thought each of us could talk about our favorite mysteries in four different mediums. So, Jeff, your favorite mystery novel”Jeffrey: And Then There Were None. That's an easy one for me. John: That is. Jim, do you have one?Jim: Yeah, yeah, I don't read a lot of mysteries. I really enjoyed a Stephen King book called Mr. Mercedes, which was a cat and mouse game, and I enjoyed that quite a bit. That's only top of mind because I finished it recently.John: That counts. Jim: Does it? John: Yeah. That'll count. Jim: You're going to find that I am so middle America in my answers. John: That's okay. Mine is--I'm going to cheat a little bit and do a short story--which the original Don't Look Now that Daphne du Murier wrote, because as a mystery, it ties itself up. Like I said earlier, I like stuff that ties up right at the end. And it literally is in the last two or three sentences of that short story where everything falls into place. Jeff, your favorite mystery play? I can be one of yours if you want. Jeffrey: It's a battle between Sleuth or Dial M for Murder. Maybe Sleuth because I always wanted to be in it, but it's probably Dial M. But it's also followed up very quickly by Death Trap, which is a great comedy-mystery-thriller. It's kind of a post-modern, Meta play, but it's a play about the play you're watching. John: Excellent choices. My choice is Sleuth. You did have a chance to be in Sleuth because when I directed it, you're the first person I asked. But your schedule wouldn't let you do it. But you would have been a fantastic Andrew Wyke. I'm sorry our timing didn't work on that. Jeffrey: And you got a terrific Andrew in Julian Bailey, but if you wanted to do it again, I'm available. John: Jim, you hear that? Jim: I did hear that. Yes, I did hear that. John: Jim, do you have a favorite mystery play?Jim: You know, it's gonna sound like I'm sucking up, but I don't see a lot of mystery plays. There was a version of Gaslight that I saw with Jim Stoll as the lead. And he was terrific.But I so thoroughly enjoyed Holmes and Watson and would love the opportunity to see that a second time. I saw it so late in the run and it was so sold out that there was no coming back at that point to see it again. But I would love to see it a second time and think to myself, well, now that you know what you know, is it all there? Because my belief is it is all there. John: Yeah. Okay. Jeff, your favorite TV mystery?Jeffrey: Oh, Columbo. That's easy. Columbo.John: I'm gonna go with Poker Face, just because the pace on Poker Face is so much faster than Columbo, even though it's clearly based on Columbo. Jim, a favorite TV mystery?Jim: The Rockford Files, hands down. John: Fair enough. Fair enough. All right. Last question all around. Jeff, your favorite mystery movie? Jeffrey: Laura. Jim: Ah, good one. John: I'm going to go with The Last of Sheila. If you haven't seen The Last of Sheila, it's a terrific mystery directed by Herbert Ross, written by Stephen Sondheim and Anthony Perkins. Fun little Stephen Sondheim trivia. The character of Andrew Wyke and his house were based on Stephen Sondheim. Jeffrey: Sondheim's townhouse has been for sale recently. I don't know if somebody bought it, but for a cool seven point something million, you're going to get it. John: All right. Let's maybe pool our money. Jim, your favorite mystery movie.Jim: I'm walking into the lion's den here with this one. Jeffrey, I hope this is okay, but I really enjoyed the Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movies. And I revisit the second one in that series on a fairly regular basis, The Game of Shadows. I thought I enjoyed that a lot. Your thoughts on those movies quickly? Jeffrey: My only feeling about those is that I felt they were trying a little too hard not to do some of the traditional stuff. I got it, you know, like no deer stalker, that kind of thing. But I thought it was just trying a tad too hard to be You know, everybody's very good at Kung Fu, that kind of thing.Jim: Yes. And it's Sherlock Holmes as a superhero, which, uh, appeals to me. Jeffrey: I know the producer of those, and I know Guy Ritchie a little bit. And, I know they're still trying to get out a third one. Jim: Well, I hope they do. I really hope they do. Cause I enjoyed that version of Sherlock Holmes quite a bit. I thought it was funny and all of the clues were there and it paid off in the end as a mystery, but fun all along the road.Jeffrey: And the main thing they got right was the Holmes and Watson relationship, which, you know, as anybody will tell you, you can get a lot of things wrong, but get that right and you're more than two thirds there.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty dive into the 1963 trailer trash treasure "Five Minutes to Love," starring Rue McClanahan as a woman named Poochie who lives in a junkyard! They discuss Rue's marriage to one of the actors, all of the screaming, and the poor baby who definitely should not have been on that set.  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Sign up for Kerri's Zoom workshop, "Crafting Your Unforgettable TV Pilot!"  Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty dive into the 1963 trailer trash treasure "Five Minutes to Love," starring Rue McClanahan as a woman named Poochie who lives in a junkyard! They discuss Rue's marriage to one of the actors, all of the screaming, and the poor baby who definitely should not have been on that set. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastSign up for Kerri's Zoom workshop, "Crafting Your Unforgettable TV Pilot!" Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are diving into "Mama for Mayor: Part 2," where they discuss the parallels between Raytown and the current political climate, Betty White's full bedtime glam, and Rue McClanahan's pink Jackie O outfit. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are diving into "Mama for Mayor: Part 2," where they discuss the parallels between Raytown and the current political climate, Betty White's full bedtime glam, and Rue McClanahan's pink Jackie O outfit.  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines are back, breaking down another episode of Mama's Family! This time they're diving into "Mama for Mayor: Part 1," where they discuss their love for horny Betty, reckless sitcom driving, and why Mama was like AOC for seniors. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines are back, breaking down another episode of Mama's Family! This time they're diving into "Mama for Mayor: Part 1," where they discuss their love for horny Betty, reckless sitcom driving, and why Mama was like AOC for seniors.Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

WELCOME TO EPISODE 5 OF THE GOLDEN GIRLS DEEP DIVE PODCAST! Starting from the beginning of the show, each week we recap an episode of The Golden Girls and we end each episode with a fully researched deep dive into something from the Golden Girls universe! When Sophia needs a doctor to come to the house,Dr. Elliot Clayton makes the house call. Dorothy and Elliot hit it off and start dating . Shenanigans ensue when Elliot makes a pass at Blanche. Blanche tells Dorothy about the incident and Dorothy doesn't believe her, resulting in a fight that nearly results in Dorothy moving out of the house.  For this week's deep dive, Jenn tells Patrick all about the life and career on Rue McClanahan–from her many, MANY marriages up through the lucky break that landed her the role of Blanche on The Golden Girls. Our episodes are researched by Jess McKillop, Patrick Hinds, and Jennifer Simard. Visit our website for a full list of sources. Follow us on Instagram and TikTok at @GoldenGirlsDeepDive To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Kerri Doherty revisit The Golden Girls season 5 episode "The Mangiacavallo Curse Makes A Lousy Wedding Present!" They discuss what makes them horny, marble bathroom stalls, and Rue McClanahan's impressive nano facial expressions. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Kerri Doherty revisit The Golden Girls season 5 episode "The Mangiacavallo Curse Makes A Lousy Wedding Present!" They discuss what makes them horny, marble bathroom stalls, and Rue McClanahan's impressive nano facial expressions.Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch video versions of the podcast on YouTube.com/OutonTheLanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are back with part 2 of Mama's Family featuring Betty White and Rue McClanahan! They discuss Eunice's southern slam poetry, Naomi's easter wedding dress, and H. Alan's love of vacuuming.  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty are back with part 2 of Mama's Family featuring Betty White and Rue McClanahan! They discuss Eunice's southern slam poetry, Naomi's easter wedding dress, and H. Alan's love of vacuuming. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch a season 1 episode of Mama's Family featuring Betty White and Rue McClanahan! They discuss all of the Golden Girl references and crossovers, H. Alan's longtime love for Mama, and Kerri has a million questions about the obvious age differences between the characters. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch podcast episodes on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@outonthelanaiFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch a season 1 episode of Mama's Family featuring Betty White and Rue McClanahan! They discuss all of the Golden Girl references and crossovers, H. Alan's longtime love for Mama, and Kerri has a million questions about the obvious age differences between the characters.  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch podcast episodes on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@outonthelanai For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Send us a Text Message.Captain and Doc on the make, again.Women's attraction to Doc remains inexplicable.Using the set from Zoro's on Love Boat.Dabney Coleman and Rue McClanahan win points for their actingChico and the Man connection."That's kids been found stealing a watch, how could he be redeemed? Love Boat, you just made a stereotype come to life in front of our eyes!"— Rob"There's nothing redeemable about Doc. There's nothing good about Doc. And every every episode, I'm confused as to why a woman falls so easily and hard for him."— CharlotteVisit LoveBoatExposed.com to dive deeper, and connect with the show; send us a message or record a voicemail for air. Make sure to subscribe - we're on all your favorite podcast platforms! rsmedia.group creationsFair Use Act DisclaimersInformation contained on this podcast and all related materials is for criticism and commentary, as well as for research and educational purposes. Under section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976, allowance is made for “fair use” for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, education, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing.

Following Bea Arthur's Wildest Talk Show Moments and Rue McClanahan's Most Revealing Talk Show Moments, this week we're looking back at some of Estelle Getty's Sweetest Talk Show Moments! Like the time she fangirled all over Rosie O'Donnell, or when she proudly declared herself a feminist! She also tells a sweet story about why Sophia was always holding onto her purse. Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastWatch Estelle's Talk Show Moments:The Rosie O'Donnell Show (1996)The Rosie O'Donnell Show (1997)The Joan Rivers Show (1986)Meet The Golden Girls (1992)For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Following Bea Arthur's Wildest Talk Show Moments and Rue McClanahan's Most Revealing Talk Show Moments, this week we're looking back at some of Estelle Getty's Sweetest Talk Show Moments! Like the time she fangirled all over Rosie O'Donnell, or when she proudly declared herself a feminist! She also tells a sweet story about why Sophia was always holding onto her purse.  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast Watch Estelle's Talk Show Moments: The Rosie O'Donnell Show (1996) The Rosie O'Donnell Show (1997) The Joan Rivers Show (1986) Meet The Golden Girls (1992) For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty break down Rue McClanahan's most revealing talk show moments and learn so many things they didn't know about her in the process! Rue reveals her true eye color, the secret to growing tomatoes, and who was the fastest to memorize their lines on The Golden Girls. She also perfectly deflects a pornographic phone call and throws a little sass at Pat Sajak!  Watch the interview clips in full: Joan Rivers The Pat Sajak Show Oprah Dame Edna's Hollywood Larry King Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty break down Rue McClanahan's most revealing talk show moments and learn so many things they didn't know about her in the process! Rue reveals her true eye color, the secret to growing tomatoes, and who was the fastest to memorize their lines on The Golden Girls. She also perfectly deflects a pornographic phone call and throws a little sass at Pat Sajak! Watch the interview clips in full:Joan RiversThe Pat Sajak ShowOprahDame Edna's HollywoodLarry KingJoin the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

I have been fortunate to interview Del Shores (Sordid Lives Creator) multiple times throughout the years.After working in the entertainment industry for more than three decades as a Director, Producer, and Writer, Del is finally making his NYC theatrical directorial debut with Jiggs Burgess' play Wounded.I am so excited to catch up with Del because I always have great conversations with him. In this NEW interview, Del is Baring It All with Call Me Adam about:Making his NYC theatrical directorial debutOne thing he hasn't done because something or someone got in the wayOne path his life took that he would like to put on full displayWorking with Whoopi Goldberg & Caroline RheaAn update on the Sordid Lives FranchiseSo much moreWounded, by Jiggs Burgess, is about a repressed nobody who thinks of himself as somebody. An addict. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? played out between hummingbirds. And a pussy eating dog. This is Wounded. Carrol could've been somebody, after all his book, The Crimson Valise, was made into a movie. Yet somehow Carrol's unhealed past, and an aging mother, got in the way. On the other hand, Carrol's classmate, Robert, was smart and driven. Went to one of the best private universities in the country on scholarship. But his damage led him down the path of addiction and eventually prison. In this darkest of comedies, the bleak paths our lives can lead us down are on full display. ***Warning: Recommended for adult audiences. Contains language of a sexual and violent nature.***Wounded plays at the Soho Playhouse as part of the International Fringe Encore Series from January 24-February 11, 2024.More on Del Shores:Del Shores is the writer/director/producer of the films Sordid Lives, Blues for Willadean, Southern Baptist Sissies and A Very Sordid Wedding. He wrote and executive produced the MGM feature Daddy's Dyin'...Who's Got The Will? His plays Cheatin', Daddy's Dyin' (Who's Got The Will?), Daughters of the Lone Star State, Sordid Lives, Southern Baptist Sissies, The Trials and Tribulations of a Trailer Trash Housewife, Yellow, This Side of Crazy and A Very Sordid Wedding are all published by Concord/Samuel French.In television, Del Shores wrote, directed, executive produced and created the LOGO series, Sordid Lives: The Series. He also wrote and executive produced Showtime's Queer As Folk for the last three seasons, wrote and produced for Dharma & Greg and Ned & Stacey. He has directed Academy Award winners Octavia Spencer and Whoopi Goldberg; Grammy Award winner Olivia Newton-John; Emmy winners/nominees Beau Bridges, Delta Burke, Leslie Jordan, Bonnie Bedelia, Bobbie Eakes, Patrika Darbo and Rue McClanahan; Spirit Award winner Dale Dickey; Screen Actors Guild Award-winner Beth Grant; as well as Caroline Rhea, Debby Holiday and David Steen.Special Thanks:Brian Geldin, Brian Geldin PRTheme Song by Bobby CroninPodcast Logo by Liam O'DonnellEdited by Adam RothenbergConnect with Me:Website: www.callmeadam.comFacebook: @CallMeAdamNYCInstagram: @CallMeAdamNYCMentioned in this...

In this episode, resident co-host Joseph and I talk about one of our favorite series, Celebrity Ghost Stories. Because what's better than actress Carrie Fisher, John Waters and Rue McClanahan talking about ghosts? Absolutely nothing. well - except maybe the new Calvin Klein commercial. Don't worry, we get into that too!'Watch Celebrity Ghost Stories: https://youtu.be/9eazBiL6TGI?si=XKk9ZIlT-vScdepPCheck out Joseph Stone's latest novel and audiobook:https://amzn.to/41n3d0KBecome a Ko-Fi Member and listen to the UNCUT and UNEDITED versions of episodes like this!https://ko-fi.com/waitwhaaatpodcastMERCH:https://payhip.com/waitwhaaatareyouwatchingShow Recommendations:https://www.amazon.com/shop/waitwhaaatpodcastBigfoot Diaries Available NOW:https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BQXVZLSCLeave a 5-Star Review:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/wait-whaaat-are-you-watching/id1602004925Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/show/wait-whaaat-are-you-watching/support.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch an episode of the WWII-era period comedy series "Remember Wenn" where Rue played a spitfire wealthy woman named Dusty Foxx! They discuss the beauty of the transatlantic accent, Rue's matching wardrobe from The Golden Girls, and their own childhood experiences making radio shows. Also: Does anyone know a "Hubie?"   Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch an episode of the WWII-era period comedy series "Remember Wenn" where Rue played a spitfire wealthy woman named Dusty Foxx! They discuss the beauty of the transatlantic accent, Rue's matching wardrobe from The Golden Girls, and their own childhood experiences making radio shows. Also: Does anyone know a "Hubie?"  Join the GG VIP Club at Patreon.com/GoldenGirlsPodcastFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gobble Gobble! This year, H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty break down Betty White's decade of hosting The Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, Rue McClanahan's Cinderella performance in the parade in 1986, and Bea Arthur's SNL Thanksgiving episode. Plus, they each talk about what a Golden Girls Thanksgiving episode might have looked like! Watch clips we talked about in the episode: Betty White reflects on hosting The Macy's Thanksgiving Day ParadeRue McClanahan performs on The Macy's Thanksgiving Day ParadeBea Arthur's appearance on an SNL Thanksgiving sketchFor more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Gobble Gobble! This year, H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty break down Betty White's decade of hosting The Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, Rue McClanahan's Cinderella performance in the parade in 1986, and Bea Arthur's SNL Thanksgiving episode. Plus, they each talk about what a Golden Girls Thanksgiving episode might have looked like!  Watch clips we talked about in the episode:  Betty White reflects on hosting The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Rue McClanahan performs on The Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Bea Arthur's appearance on an SNL Thanksgiving sketch For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...  instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch the 1989 Halloween TV movie "The Wickedest Witch," starring Rue McClanahan as a gorgeous bitch of a witch! They discuss their own memories of 1989 Halloween, Rue bringing her theater background to this project, and magical powers they wished for as weird little children. You can watch "The Wickedest Witch HERE.For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at...instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficialfacebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcasttwitter.com/GoldenGirlsPodFOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES...instagram.com/SadiePinesinstagram.com/HAlanScottlinktr.ee/HAlanScottFOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY...instagram.com/squidsytwitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoicesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

H. Alan Scott/Sadie Pines and Kerri Doherty watch the 1989 Halloween TV movie "The Wickedest Witch," starring Rue McClanahan as a gorgeous bitch of a witch! They discuss their own memories of 1989 Halloween, Rue bringing her theater background to this project, and magical powers they wished for as weird little children.  You can watch "The Wickedest Witch HERE. For more Golden Girls greatness, visit OutOnTheLanai.com and follow us at... instagram.com/OutOnTheLanaiOfficial facebook.com/GoldenGirlsPodcast twitter.com/GoldenGirlsPod FOLLOW H. ALAN SCOTT/SADIE PINES... instagram.com/SadiePines instagram.com/HAlanScott linktr.ee/HAlanScott FOLLOW KERRI DOHERTY... instagram.com/squidsy twitter.com/SquidEatSquid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back and thank you for being a friend! Paul and Erika are easing everyone back into things by talking about something universally (at least, we assume, by our audience) adored: The Golden Girls! Bea Arthur! Rue McClanahan! Betty White! Estelle Getty! Should we just list the character names followed by exclamation points as well? You can follow That Aged Well on Twitter (@ThatAgedWellPod), Instagram (@ThatAgedWell), Threads (@ThatAgedWell), and Spoutible (@ThatAgedWell)!  SUPPORT US ON PATREON FOR BONUS CONTENT! THAT AGED WELL MERCH! Hosts: Paul Caiola & Erika Villalba Producer & Editor: Paul Caiola