Podcast appearances and mentions of nathaniel gorham

On this episode, Cody and Steve discuss the man who would be okay with us having a king, Nathaniel Gorham.Podcast to recommend: Totalus Rankium Pirates (Totalus Rankium | Ranking all the Roman Emperors and American Presidents)Sources· Hauptman, Laurence M. Conspiracy of Interests: Iroquois Dispossession and the Rise of New York State. Syracuse, NY; Syracuse U. Press, 2001.· Morton, Joseph C. Shapers of the Great Debate at the Constitutional Convention of 1787. Santa Barbara, CA: Greenwood, 2006.· See pinned post on Bluesky for general sources Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

The Virginian's introduce their plan for a new National Government, which officially shocks the Convention since they believed (officially) that they were there only to revise and amend the Articles of Confederation. The Convention adjourns to the Committee of the Whole – which is the same people, in the same room with the same purpose as the Convention but without General Washington sitting on the dais. So who is in charge of the discussion and debates that will begin with the Virginia Plan and end up with what we know so well as our Government? He was the 14th President of the United States, and he died in disgrace and failure. But for the moment, he is the man who is so well respected that he is chosen to lead the Committee of the Whole in its important work. His name is Nathaniel Gorham. He will control the discussions of The Virginia Plan, the New Jersey Plan (and eventually the Connecticut Compromise) in the first days of the Convention. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/plausibly-live/message

In this episode we look into the flexible nature of the world around us, and the impact that we can actually have upon it. By looking into different countries and examples, we try to break down how much you can actually influence reality.The USA, the USSR, the EU and China all are examples of this, as they become more conscious creations rather than simple products of history.Presenters: Daniel, Carla and ShannonSources and Notes (In order of reference):The Secret, 2006, Rhonda ByrneLord Baltimore - I have to apologize because I cannot find a reference to the incident with Lord Baltimore, and I may be mistaking him for someone by another name, however I did find a reference to a Prince Henry of Prussia, who was invited in 1786 by Nathaniel Gorham (the President of the Continental Congress) to come to America and become the King of America, shortly after the victory over the British. They saw the reassertion of monarchy as very important, which while roundabout, proves my original assertion. Unsurprisingly, Henry declined, after the way the British treated their previous Monarch.I heavily encourage you to view this below Time article by Richard Hurowitz to view the full extent of how habitual so much of the American thinking was at that time.(https://time.com/5459916/american-monarchy/)Socialism with Chinese Characteristics - This term was actually coined in the era after Mao, and while Mao identified a unique version of Socialism, I just wanted to mention that this particular term was actually coined later in the Deng Xiaoping era, during the reform period.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_characteristicsMore particularly you’d want to look at the term Maoism.The European Coal and Steel Community - https://carleton.ca/ces/eulearning/history/moving-to-integration/the-european-coal-and-steel-community/You can see at the above the story of the founding of the ECSC, and what would later become the EU.The EU Vote - The vote was to create an EU Constitution, but it was blocked by French and Dutch voters in 2005 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_EuropeThe treaty of Lisbon was later signed as a replacement for this to create a common set of rules regardless, without being an explicit constitution. But with that earlier vote the mental battle to create a Federal Europe had stalled, and with it, the road towards Federation and a proper democratic process was aborted. Because as we’ve stated, it’s all about perception, and the public had voted it was afraid of the EU and what it was becoming.The Congo - http://whynationsfail.com/blog/2013/8/15/the-roads-of-the-congo.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterIn the book Why Nations Fail by Acemoglu and Robinson, which I’m referencing, they detail a great deal of the ways by which the Congo collapsed, due to a paranoid Mobutu government not wanting to invest in the state or infrastructure for fear of empowering opposition. Essentially the far right, mixed with Libertarianism of a sort. So you had a hollow state, much of which ended up subject to lawlessness. It’s worth reading the entire book honestly, I’m a big fan of it, and it’s a case for the proper interaction between the state and the populace, and their interreliance to develop healthily.Dunbar’s Number - The number theorized by Robin Dunbar in 1990, which estimated that humans golden number of social connections is roughly 150 people, or more precisely, 100-250. It was originally seen as a correlation between brain sizes and social group sizes in primates.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_numberI can never remember the proper names when I’m talking on the fly!The Surprise Trump Vote -https://www.census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2017/05/voting_in_america.html2.8m additional white people came out and voted in 2016 compared to 2012, according to the US census bureau. A massive number of disenfranchised people primarily in rust belt states who feel alienated from the world around them, voted for Trump.This was a manifestation of the disaffected making themselves known, and changing the world through the democratic process.I am also referencing here Timothy Carney’s book Alienated America which he released early 2019. He makes an excellent case for the need for civil society. I don’t agree that the Church has to solve these problems as I think he simply makes the case for any ideological bonded institution. However, his observations about disaffection and societal dissolution are very sharp.I also have qualms about his understanding of regulation and the role of the state, as well as his fundamental misunderstanding of the general increase in atheism among western society. But that’s beside the accuracy of his research into alienation and the Trump vote indicators.Foreign Aid Numbers -The United States spends about 1% of it’s budget on foreign aid, about 45 billion dollars. Its spent in this ball park almost every year since the year 2012, making it 288 billion between 2012 and 2017.https://explorer.usaid.gov/This is greater than the annual GDP of Chile or Finland, and almost 150% of New Zealand.

New Hampshire finally shows up, without a per diem. The delegates debate the process for ratification and whether state legislatures can be trusted to do anything right. Nathaniel Gorham asks what will happen if Rhode Island won’t play along. Everyone tries to figure out how to select the executive and things get creative. The Patterson team considers the merits of election by lottery and whether the delegates can tell when someone is joking.

The delegates revisit the Executive Power. The Judicial Branch finally comes up again and the delegates debate how to pick judges. Nathaniel Gorham proposes that the Executive pick judges with the Senate’s “advice and consent,” though nobody really knows what this means. The Council of Revision makes another appearance but the delegates want judges to stay in their lane.  Chief Justice Jay writes to Washington, and civility reigns, except when it doesn’t.

The Virginian's introduce their plan for a new National Government, which officially shocks the Convention since they believed (officially) that they were there only to revise and amend the Articles of Confederation. The Convention adjourns to the Committee of the Whole - which is the same people, in the same room with the same purpose as the Convention but without General Washington sitting on the dais. So who is in charge of the discussion and debates that will begin with the Virginia Plan and end up with what we know so well as our Government? He was the 14th President of the United States, and he died in disgrace and failure. But for the moment, he is the man who is so well respected that he is chosen to lead the Committee of the Whole in its important work. His name is Nathaniel Gorham. He will control the discussions of The Virginia Plan, the New Jersey Plan (and eventually the Connecticut Compromise) in the first days of the Convention.

The Virginian's introduce their plan for a new National Government, which officially shocks the Convention, since they believed (officially) that they were there only to revise and amend the Articles of Confederation. The Convention adjourns to the Committee of the Whole - which is the same people, in the same room with the same purpose as the Convention but without General Washington sitting on the dais. So who is in charge of the discussion and debates that will begin with the Virginia Plan and end up with what we know so well as our Government? He was the 14th President of the United States, and he died in disgrace and failure. But for the moment, he is the man who is so well respected that he is chosen to lead the Committee of the Whole in its important work. His name, is Nathaniel Gorham. He will control the discussions of The Virginia Plan, the New Jersey Plan (and eventually the Connecticut Compromise) in the first days of the Convention.