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Panel: Aimee Knight Charles Max Wood (DevChat TV) Christopher Ferdinandi (Boston) Joe Eames Special Guests: Justin Meyer In this episode, the panel talks with Justin Meyer who is a co-author of DoneJS, CanJS, jQueryPP, StealJS, and DocumentJS. Justin currently works for Bitovi and is their Director of R&D. He is also a fan of basketball and Michael Jackson. The panel and Justin talk about CanJS in-detail – check it out! Show Topics: 0:58 – We had you on Episode 202. 1:14 – Chuck: Can you tell everyone who you are? 1:20 – Justin tells us his background. 1:50 – Chuck. 1:58 – Justin. 2:06 – Chuck: Can you give us an introduction to what CanJS 4.0? 2:11 – Justin: It is a JavaScript framework and is similar to Vue. It adds a very model layer, and uses Real Time very well. 2:44 – Panelist. 2:49 – Justin. 2:55 – Panelist: What is the current... 3:09 – Justin: Compatibility is very important to us. A lot of the same tools are still available. It has over 80 different repositories. Justin continues to talk about the differences/similarities between the different versions. 4:55 – Panelist: Angular, React, and Vue are dominating, so I have 2 questions. 1.) Where is the core strength of JS and its user base? 2.) What is like to be the CanJS when everyone is talking about the other programs? 5:31 – Justin: We have dealt with this for the past 10 years. Emotionally it’s not great, I wished it was more popular, but our priority is keeping our user-based happy. We’ve had big companies use it. Justin answers the second question. 8:44 – Panelist: You mentioned two things. 9:22 – Aimee: I think everything has trade-offs. I would use something because it was the right tool for the job. I wouldn’t want to make something that was “cool.” I would want to make it super accessible in a network. 10:10 – Justin: That is a great marketing angle. We are trying to remove the worst parts of the program. 10:26 – Now I am intrigued. 10:32 – Justin: You have this mutable state and you aren’t sure. At least for CanJS I don’t see that occurring too often. 10:54 – Aimee. 10:58 – Justin: Deep inheritance is definitely a problem and it can create... 11:13 – Aimee. 11:19 – Justin: We have changed strategies a lot, and I think it’s helped CanJS grow; like 60% since January. We are doing a lot of user studies now. I run Meetups, etc. That being said inheritance schemes aren’t something that people will encounter. This is something that they won’t encounter months down the road. 13:00 – Aimee. 13:05 – Panelist: I would like to dig deeper into state-management. Everyone is doing Flux, talk about that with CanJS. 13:20 – Justin: Yeah. It depends on what kind of user you are talking to. When I talk to new users off the street (people who just graduated, etc.)... If you look at React’s statistics – more than 50% doesn’t use any state management. 16:15 – Panelist: I think it’s interesting that there are people that aren’t “oh my gosh...” 16:43 – Justin: The last coolest thing I’ve done is... 18:02 – Justin continues. 18:16 – Panelist: I kind of have this belief that we as a community turn to frameworks and tools too much. From your perspective when does it make sense to turn to a tool like this or better off working with native... 18:56 – It depends on how complex your app is and our ability to work through those problems. I think that’s a generic answer, but hopefully that helps. I don’t think you really can’t live without. 19:49 – Panelist: I think that’s fair. One thing that I found is that there are many things layered into state-management. Because you mentioned performance, which is something I care about, too. At what point does the extra tooling become too heavy for the user’s experience? Where do you draw the line? 21:11 – Justin: It depends. I don’t know what the parallel is – it’s like a richer developer problem. You have too many users where you can make those fine tuned adjustments. Do whatever is going to deliver the product first and then worry about performance later? I think our things are geared towards performance by default. 22:41 – Panelist: Playing devil’s advocate, though. But isn’t there some danger in kind of suggesting that you focus on performance WHEN it’s a business issue? Maybe there is there a lack of empathy among developers. I worry that advice is hurting us. 23:53 – Justin: No matter what you can build your homepage with Angular weird monstrosity, but then when you get to the point when people are using your product – you can just use native HTML, and native methods and build that one widget and as easy and fast as possible. 24:50 – Panelist: Dealing with complexity. Now we need to do things like bundlers, and such to deal with this issue. I feel like a crotchety old man yelling because it takes forever. 25:38 – Justin: I think it depends on where you are sitting. I think that comes down to the design. If your design has a lot of complex states, then... 26:37 – Panelist: Because you care about performance... 26:54 – Advertisement 27:53 – Justin: I don’t think that the run time of CanJS is going to be a critical performance path for anybody. Is there a responsibility? This is the oldest question. It’s like saying: where do you draw the line that you need to choose success/be elected to fight the battles if you really want to win. You need someone using your product or it doesn’t really matter. Start-ups use our product because they need to get something up and in. I am going to flip this back onto you guys. 30:48 – Panelist: I think that’s fair. 31:00 – Aimee: I have a question. You got into consultancy when do you recommend using CanJS or something else? 31:15 – Justin: I always suggest people using CanJS. 31:53 – Aimee: What do these people do when their contract is over? I have used an older version of Can, and... 32:20 – Justin: Are you on Gitter? Aimee: No, I am not. 32:25 – Justin: We do offer promote job posting to help them find somebody. We try our best to help people in any way we can. 33:05 – Aimee: That’s helpful. Another question. 33:28 – Justin: DoneJS is that. It uses the full kitchen sink. That’s what DoneJS is. 33:50 – Panelist: Let’s talk about CanJS in the mark-up. Do you think it’s better now or worse than 2012? Less space or more space? 34:13 – Justin: It’s probably worse. I think the methodology that we are using: focusing on our users. We get their feedback frequently. We are listening to our users, and I think we are being smarter. 35:16 – Panelist: Is the space getting more welcoming or less? 35:31 – It depends on what framework you are. It’s very hard to compete if you are the exact same thing as... The market is so dense and there are so many ideas, so it’s getting harder and harder. What helps people break-through? Is it the technology or the framework? 36:36 – Panelist: I appreciate the richness of the field, as it exists right now. There aren’t a few things SMELT and ELM 37:10 – Justin: Elm for sure. I don’t have a lot of experience with SMELT. 37:23 – Panelist continues the talk. 37:54 – Chuck. 38:00 – Justin: I think it spreads by word-of-mouth. I used to think it was “technology” or... all that really matters is “can you deliver” and the person have a good experience. Usability is the most important to me. We will see how this turns out. I will be either right or wrong. 39:18 – Panelist: Can we talk about the long-term future of Can JS? 39:28 – Justin: We are connecting to our user-base and making them happy. If I had it my way (which I don’t anymore) I think JSX is the best template language. We have been building integrations between JSX and... I am putting out proposals where most people don’t like them. Justin continues this conversation. 44:24 – Picks! 44:28 - Advertisement Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue Polyfill.io Dinero.js Vanilla JS Toolkit CanJS’ Website CanJS’ GitHub CanJS’ Twitter JSX JSX- NPM Justin Meyer’s GitHub Justin Meyer’s Twitter Past Episode with Justin Meyer Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Get a Coder Job Picks: Aimee Taking a walk for creativity https://ohshitgit.com Chris PolyFill.io Dinero.js https://vanillajstoolkit.com/ Joe Pitch Meeting Solo Charles Phoenix Framework The Queens Poisoner A View From The Top Justin The Killing of H2Push Browser Contributor Days JSJ Episode 326 with Tom Dale

Panel: Aimee Knight Charles Max Wood (DevChat TV) Christopher Ferdinandi (Boston) Joe Eames Special Guests: Justin Meyer In this episode, the panel talks with Justin Meyer who is a co-author of DoneJS, CanJS, jQueryPP, StealJS, and DocumentJS. Justin currently works for Bitovi and is their Director of R&D. He is also a fan of basketball and Michael Jackson. The panel and Justin talk about CanJS in-detail – check it out! Show Topics: 0:58 – We had you on Episode 202. 1:14 – Chuck: Can you tell everyone who you are? 1:20 – Justin tells us his background. 1:50 – Chuck. 1:58 – Justin. 2:06 – Chuck: Can you give us an introduction to what CanJS 4.0? 2:11 – Justin: It is a JavaScript framework and is similar to Vue. It adds a very model layer, and uses Real Time very well. 2:44 – Panelist. 2:49 – Justin. 2:55 – Panelist: What is the current... 3:09 – Justin: Compatibility is very important to us. A lot of the same tools are still available. It has over 80 different repositories. Justin continues to talk about the differences/similarities between the different versions. 4:55 – Panelist: Angular, React, and Vue are dominating, so I have 2 questions. 1.) Where is the core strength of JS and its user base? 2.) What is like to be the CanJS when everyone is talking about the other programs? 5:31 – Justin: We have dealt with this for the past 10 years. Emotionally it’s not great, I wished it was more popular, but our priority is keeping our user-based happy. We’ve had big companies use it. Justin answers the second question. 8:44 – Panelist: You mentioned two things. 9:22 – Aimee: I think everything has trade-offs. I would use something because it was the right tool for the job. I wouldn’t want to make something that was “cool.” I would want to make it super accessible in a network. 10:10 – Justin: That is a great marketing angle. We are trying to remove the worst parts of the program. 10:26 – Now I am intrigued. 10:32 – Justin: You have this mutable state and you aren’t sure. At least for CanJS I don’t see that occurring too often. 10:54 – Aimee. 10:58 – Justin: Deep inheritance is definitely a problem and it can create... 11:13 – Aimee. 11:19 – Justin: We have changed strategies a lot, and I think it’s helped CanJS grow; like 60% since January. We are doing a lot of user studies now. I run Meetups, etc. That being said inheritance schemes aren’t something that people will encounter. This is something that they won’t encounter months down the road. 13:00 – Aimee. 13:05 – Panelist: I would like to dig deeper into state-management. Everyone is doing Flux, talk about that with CanJS. 13:20 – Justin: Yeah. It depends on what kind of user you are talking to. When I talk to new users off the street (people who just graduated, etc.)... If you look at React’s statistics – more than 50% doesn’t use any state management. 16:15 – Panelist: I think it’s interesting that there are people that aren’t “oh my gosh...” 16:43 – Justin: The last coolest thing I’ve done is... 18:02 – Justin continues. 18:16 – Panelist: I kind of have this belief that we as a community turn to frameworks and tools too much. From your perspective when does it make sense to turn to a tool like this or better off working with native... 18:56 – It depends on how complex your app is and our ability to work through those problems. I think that’s a generic answer, but hopefully that helps. I don’t think you really can’t live without. 19:49 – Panelist: I think that’s fair. One thing that I found is that there are many things layered into state-management. Because you mentioned performance, which is something I care about, too. At what point does the extra tooling become too heavy for the user’s experience? Where do you draw the line? 21:11 – Justin: It depends. I don’t know what the parallel is – it’s like a richer developer problem. You have too many users where you can make those fine tuned adjustments. Do whatever is going to deliver the product first and then worry about performance later? I think our things are geared towards performance by default. 22:41 – Panelist: Playing devil’s advocate, though. But isn’t there some danger in kind of suggesting that you focus on performance WHEN it’s a business issue? Maybe there is there a lack of empathy among developers. I worry that advice is hurting us. 23:53 – Justin: No matter what you can build your homepage with Angular weird monstrosity, but then when you get to the point when people are using your product – you can just use native HTML, and native methods and build that one widget and as easy and fast as possible. 24:50 – Panelist: Dealing with complexity. Now we need to do things like bundlers, and such to deal with this issue. I feel like a crotchety old man yelling because it takes forever. 25:38 – Justin: I think it depends on where you are sitting. I think that comes down to the design. If your design has a lot of complex states, then... 26:37 – Panelist: Because you care about performance... 26:54 – Advertisement 27:53 – Justin: I don’t think that the run time of CanJS is going to be a critical performance path for anybody. Is there a responsibility? This is the oldest question. It’s like saying: where do you draw the line that you need to choose success/be elected to fight the battles if you really want to win. You need someone using your product or it doesn’t really matter. Start-ups use our product because they need to get something up and in. I am going to flip this back onto you guys. 30:48 – Panelist: I think that’s fair. 31:00 – Aimee: I have a question. You got into consultancy when do you recommend using CanJS or something else? 31:15 – Justin: I always suggest people using CanJS. 31:53 – Aimee: What do these people do when their contract is over? I have used an older version of Can, and... 32:20 – Justin: Are you on Gitter? Aimee: No, I am not. 32:25 – Justin: We do offer promote job posting to help them find somebody. We try our best to help people in any way we can. 33:05 – Aimee: That’s helpful. Another question. 33:28 – Justin: DoneJS is that. It uses the full kitchen sink. That’s what DoneJS is. 33:50 – Panelist: Let’s talk about CanJS in the mark-up. Do you think it’s better now or worse than 2012? Less space or more space? 34:13 – Justin: It’s probably worse. I think the methodology that we are using: focusing on our users. We get their feedback frequently. We are listening to our users, and I think we are being smarter. 35:16 – Panelist: Is the space getting more welcoming or less? 35:31 – It depends on what framework you are. It’s very hard to compete if you are the exact same thing as... The market is so dense and there are so many ideas, so it’s getting harder and harder. What helps people break-through? Is it the technology or the framework? 36:36 – Panelist: I appreciate the richness of the field, as it exists right now. There aren’t a few things SMELT and ELM 37:10 – Justin: Elm for sure. I don’t have a lot of experience with SMELT. 37:23 – Panelist continues the talk. 37:54 – Chuck. 38:00 – Justin: I think it spreads by word-of-mouth. I used to think it was “technology” or... all that really matters is “can you deliver” and the person have a good experience. Usability is the most important to me. We will see how this turns out. I will be either right or wrong. 39:18 – Panelist: Can we talk about the long-term future of Can JS? 39:28 – Justin: We are connecting to our user-base and making them happy. If I had it my way (which I don’t anymore) I think JSX is the best template language. We have been building integrations between JSX and... I am putting out proposals where most people don’t like them. Justin continues this conversation. 44:24 – Picks! 44:28 - Advertisement Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue Polyfill.io Dinero.js Vanilla JS Toolkit CanJS’ Website CanJS’ GitHub CanJS’ Twitter JSX JSX- NPM Justin Meyer’s GitHub Justin Meyer’s Twitter Past Episode with Justin Meyer Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Get a Coder Job Picks: Aimee Taking a walk for creativity https://ohshitgit.com Chris PolyFill.io Dinero.js https://vanillajstoolkit.com/ Joe Pitch Meeting Solo Charles Phoenix Framework The Queens Poisoner A View From The Top Justin The Killing of H2Push Browser Contributor Days JSJ Episode 326 with Tom Dale

Panel: Aimee Knight Charles Max Wood (DevChat TV) Christopher Ferdinandi (Boston) Joe Eames Special Guests: Justin Meyer In this episode, the panel talks with Justin Meyer who is a co-author of DoneJS, CanJS, jQueryPP, StealJS, and DocumentJS. Justin currently works for Bitovi and is their Director of R&D. He is also a fan of basketball and Michael Jackson. The panel and Justin talk about CanJS in-detail – check it out! Show Topics: 0:58 – We had you on Episode 202. 1:14 – Chuck: Can you tell everyone who you are? 1:20 – Justin tells us his background. 1:50 – Chuck. 1:58 – Justin. 2:06 – Chuck: Can you give us an introduction to what CanJS 4.0? 2:11 – Justin: It is a JavaScript framework and is similar to Vue. It adds a very model layer, and uses Real Time very well. 2:44 – Panelist. 2:49 – Justin. 2:55 – Panelist: What is the current... 3:09 – Justin: Compatibility is very important to us. A lot of the same tools are still available. It has over 80 different repositories. Justin continues to talk about the differences/similarities between the different versions. 4:55 – Panelist: Angular, React, and Vue are dominating, so I have 2 questions. 1.) Where is the core strength of JS and its user base? 2.) What is like to be the CanJS when everyone is talking about the other programs? 5:31 – Justin: We have dealt with this for the past 10 years. Emotionally it’s not great, I wished it was more popular, but our priority is keeping our user-based happy. We’ve had big companies use it. Justin answers the second question. 8:44 – Panelist: You mentioned two things. 9:22 – Aimee: I think everything has trade-offs. I would use something because it was the right tool for the job. I wouldn’t want to make something that was “cool.” I would want to make it super accessible in a network. 10:10 – Justin: That is a great marketing angle. We are trying to remove the worst parts of the program. 10:26 – Now I am intrigued. 10:32 – Justin: You have this mutable state and you aren’t sure. At least for CanJS I don’t see that occurring too often. 10:54 – Aimee. 10:58 – Justin: Deep inheritance is definitely a problem and it can create... 11:13 – Aimee. 11:19 – Justin: We have changed strategies a lot, and I think it’s helped CanJS grow; like 60% since January. We are doing a lot of user studies now. I run Meetups, etc. That being said inheritance schemes aren’t something that people will encounter. This is something that they won’t encounter months down the road. 13:00 – Aimee. 13:05 – Panelist: I would like to dig deeper into state-management. Everyone is doing Flux, talk about that with CanJS. 13:20 – Justin: Yeah. It depends on what kind of user you are talking to. When I talk to new users off the street (people who just graduated, etc.)... If you look at React’s statistics – more than 50% doesn’t use any state management. 16:15 – Panelist: I think it’s interesting that there are people that aren’t “oh my gosh...” 16:43 – Justin: The last coolest thing I’ve done is... 18:02 – Justin continues. 18:16 – Panelist: I kind of have this belief that we as a community turn to frameworks and tools too much. From your perspective when does it make sense to turn to a tool like this or better off working with native... 18:56 – It depends on how complex your app is and our ability to work through those problems. I think that’s a generic answer, but hopefully that helps. I don’t think you really can’t live without. 19:49 – Panelist: I think that’s fair. One thing that I found is that there are many things layered into state-management. Because you mentioned performance, which is something I care about, too. At what point does the extra tooling become too heavy for the user’s experience? Where do you draw the line? 21:11 – Justin: It depends. I don’t know what the parallel is – it’s like a richer developer problem. You have too many users where you can make those fine tuned adjustments. Do whatever is going to deliver the product first and then worry about performance later? I think our things are geared towards performance by default. 22:41 – Panelist: Playing devil’s advocate, though. But isn’t there some danger in kind of suggesting that you focus on performance WHEN it’s a business issue? Maybe there is there a lack of empathy among developers. I worry that advice is hurting us. 23:53 – Justin: No matter what you can build your homepage with Angular weird monstrosity, but then when you get to the point when people are using your product – you can just use native HTML, and native methods and build that one widget and as easy and fast as possible. 24:50 – Panelist: Dealing with complexity. Now we need to do things like bundlers, and such to deal with this issue. I feel like a crotchety old man yelling because it takes forever. 25:38 – Justin: I think it depends on where you are sitting. I think that comes down to the design. If your design has a lot of complex states, then... 26:37 – Panelist: Because you care about performance... 26:54 – Advertisement 27:53 – Justin: I don’t think that the run time of CanJS is going to be a critical performance path for anybody. Is there a responsibility? This is the oldest question. It’s like saying: where do you draw the line that you need to choose success/be elected to fight the battles if you really want to win. You need someone using your product or it doesn’t really matter. Start-ups use our product because they need to get something up and in. I am going to flip this back onto you guys. 30:48 – Panelist: I think that’s fair. 31:00 – Aimee: I have a question. You got into consultancy when do you recommend using CanJS or something else? 31:15 – Justin: I always suggest people using CanJS. 31:53 – Aimee: What do these people do when their contract is over? I have used an older version of Can, and... 32:20 – Justin: Are you on Gitter? Aimee: No, I am not. 32:25 – Justin: We do offer promote job posting to help them find somebody. We try our best to help people in any way we can. 33:05 – Aimee: That’s helpful. Another question. 33:28 – Justin: DoneJS is that. It uses the full kitchen sink. That’s what DoneJS is. 33:50 – Panelist: Let’s talk about CanJS in the mark-up. Do you think it’s better now or worse than 2012? Less space or more space? 34:13 – Justin: It’s probably worse. I think the methodology that we are using: focusing on our users. We get their feedback frequently. We are listening to our users, and I think we are being smarter. 35:16 – Panelist: Is the space getting more welcoming or less? 35:31 – It depends on what framework you are. It’s very hard to compete if you are the exact same thing as... The market is so dense and there are so many ideas, so it’s getting harder and harder. What helps people break-through? Is it the technology or the framework? 36:36 – Panelist: I appreciate the richness of the field, as it exists right now. There aren’t a few things SMELT and ELM 37:10 – Justin: Elm for sure. I don’t have a lot of experience with SMELT. 37:23 – Panelist continues the talk. 37:54 – Chuck. 38:00 – Justin: I think it spreads by word-of-mouth. I used to think it was “technology” or... all that really matters is “can you deliver” and the person have a good experience. Usability is the most important to me. We will see how this turns out. I will be either right or wrong. 39:18 – Panelist: Can we talk about the long-term future of Can JS? 39:28 – Justin: We are connecting to our user-base and making them happy. If I had it my way (which I don’t anymore) I think JSX is the best template language. We have been building integrations between JSX and... I am putting out proposals where most people don’t like them. Justin continues this conversation. 44:24 – Picks! 44:28 - Advertisement Links: JavaScript jQuery React Elixir Elm Vue Polyfill.io Dinero.js Vanilla JS Toolkit CanJS’ Website CanJS’ GitHub CanJS’ Twitter JSX JSX- NPM Justin Meyer’s GitHub Justin Meyer’s Twitter Past Episode with Justin Meyer Sponsors: Kendo UI Sentry Cache Fly Get a Coder Job Picks: Aimee Taking a walk for creativity https://ohshitgit.com Chris PolyFill.io Dinero.js https://vanillajstoolkit.com/ Joe Pitch Meeting Solo Charles Phoenix Framework The Queens Poisoner A View From The Top Justin The Killing of H2Push Browser Contributor Days JSJ Episode 326 with Tom Dale

Panel: Joe Eames Aaron Frost John Papa Special Guests: Jia Li In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Jia Li about Zones.js. Check-out today’s episode to hear this topic plus more! Show Topics: 1:20 – What are zones? 1:25 – Jia: It is a library developed 4 years ago. 1:45 – Panelist: Execution context? What is this? 1:50 – Jia answers this question. 2:42 – I know it’s big in Angular because it kind of takes care of itself. What are the new things you have done in zones and let’s talk about that? 3:01 – Jia: I started contributing 2 years ago. About 1 year ago I was using Angular. I would like to talk about different 3:35 – Where are zones used in Angular – lots of people don’t know where it is. 3:48 – Jia: For four parts. 6:23 – What is this framework that you are talking about? Check-out the links for this framework. 6:42 – Panelists chime-in with their comments. 7:29 – Jia: It is a standalone package in Zone. 8:27 – Going back to John’s question. I only ran into it a few times – one time in one of my classes I made a new behavior subject. That subject got created before the zone. Anything I did outside of Angular zone, didn’t know what was going on. Once I stuck the behavior subject in one of the classes everything got taken care of. You kind of monkey patch... what else gets monkey patched by zones? 9:28 – Jia answers the question. 10:54 – Monkey-patch is a term that we use in this industry. What is it? 11:05 – Jia answers this question. Jia: Monkey patch basically is overriding the procedure for the API. 14:05 – What are some of the new things you are doing? I know you’ve done some new things and what’s new with Zones? 14:28 – Lia: It’s all about the performance. 16:55 – Panelist: I didn’t know all about these hooks – so that’s cool! I knew about handling errors, but I didn’t know there are different ways to work with the tasks. I am curious what kind of interesting things have you done with Zones as an Angular developer? 17:38 – Lia answers the questions. 19:15 – Debugging and tests are good for Zones. But it sounds like you are saying that Zones is not good for... 19:50 – Lia answers the question. 20:35 – Panelist: Sounds like Zones is doing what you need out of the box for... 20:51 – Panelist: You improved some of the performance? Zones doesn’t have that much of a footprint and is pretty lightweight. How much did you better the performance? 20-30%? 2:25 – Jia – I think the library is faster. There is a lot of garbage collection. It’s not that much. 22:47 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 23:38 – Panelist: So it will help with garbage collection. That is good to know. Cool to know that you can optimize such a small library with... 23:48 – Jia comments. 26:09 – Panelist: Gottcha. 26:16 – Jia continues this topic. Jia: A lot of new things are happening with the testing in the Zone. There are a lot of new features in the syntax. 27:35 – That is a nice feature to add back in. 27:43 – Jia continues the talk. 28:55 – Panelist: There are a lot of tests in this Repo. Do Zones generally work out of the box or do you have to add support for different things? What are the criteria to add support to? Blue Birds added to the list somehow. 29:32 – Jia answers this question. 30:03 – Panelist: Can the GIST team add support or only can the Zone team add it? 30:37 – Jia: Other teams can add support to their libraries. It’s public. 31:10 – Panelist: This is over my head, but is there a plan to get the documents going? 31:32 – Jia adds a comment. 31:41 – Panelist: Google this: What the heck is zones? An opposite side of the question: What would happen to Angular if you remove Zones.js? 32:10 – Jia answers this question. 332:37 – Zones is effectively how it works sweetly in Angular. It’s not totally true but if you remove Zones.js – which I see some people doing – why would someone do this? Is it heavy is it...? 33:20 – Jia answers the question. Jia: It’s not good for the Angular element. 34:29 – Panelist: It is an island of Angular. 34:54 – Jia continues this conversation. 35:10 – Panelist: That’s interesting – good to know. 35:18 – Jia: Back to the new features. 38:22 – Jia mentions another feature. 39:43 – JavaScript something haunts you – then you are now a real developer! 40:03 – Jia: Yes, exactly. 40:10 – Panelist: I am going to put some things in the links that the listeners can access. (NG Zone) 40:28 – Picks! 40:31 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job Course Links: GitHub What is New in Zone.js Thriller Troopers Web Tracing Framework NG Zone Audible – Educated Real Talk – JavaScript The dark side of conferences Real Talk Java Script’s Twitter Jia Li’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Jia You Don’t Know JS Switching to Angular 2 Aaron Educated John Real Talk JavaScript https://twitter.com/realtalkjs The Dark Side of Conferences Joe The Developer Experience Bait and Switch

Panel: Joe Eames Aaron Frost John Papa Special Guests: Jia Li In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Jia Li about Zones.js. Check-out today’s episode to hear this topic plus more! Show Topics: 1:20 – What are zones? 1:25 – Jia: It is a library developed 4 years ago. 1:45 – Panelist: Execution context? What is this? 1:50 – Jia answers this question. 2:42 – I know it’s big in Angular because it kind of takes care of itself. What are the new things you have done in zones and let’s talk about that? 3:01 – Jia: I started contributing 2 years ago. About 1 year ago I was using Angular. I would like to talk about different 3:35 – Where are zones used in Angular – lots of people don’t know where it is. 3:48 – Jia: For four parts. 6:23 – What is this framework that you are talking about? Check-out the links for this framework. 6:42 – Panelists chime-in with their comments. 7:29 – Jia: It is a standalone package in Zone. 8:27 – Going back to John’s question. I only ran into it a few times – one time in one of my classes I made a new behavior subject. That subject got created before the zone. Anything I did outside of Angular zone, didn’t know what was going on. Once I stuck the behavior subject in one of the classes everything got taken care of. You kind of monkey patch... what else gets monkey patched by zones? 9:28 – Jia answers the question. 10:54 – Monkey-patch is a term that we use in this industry. What is it? 11:05 – Jia answers this question. Jia: Monkey patch basically is overriding the procedure for the API. 14:05 – What are some of the new things you are doing? I know you’ve done some new things and what’s new with Zones? 14:28 – Lia: It’s all about the performance. 16:55 – Panelist: I didn’t know all about these hooks – so that’s cool! I knew about handling errors, but I didn’t know there are different ways to work with the tasks. I am curious what kind of interesting things have you done with Zones as an Angular developer? 17:38 – Lia answers the questions. 19:15 – Debugging and tests are good for Zones. But it sounds like you are saying that Zones is not good for... 19:50 – Lia answers the question. 20:35 – Panelist: Sounds like Zones is doing what you need out of the box for... 20:51 – Panelist: You improved some of the performance? Zones doesn’t have that much of a footprint and is pretty lightweight. How much did you better the performance? 20-30%? 2:25 – Jia – I think the library is faster. There is a lot of garbage collection. It’s not that much. 22:47 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 23:38 – Panelist: So it will help with garbage collection. That is good to know. Cool to know that you can optimize such a small library with... 23:48 – Jia comments. 26:09 – Panelist: Gottcha. 26:16 – Jia continues this topic. Jia: A lot of new things are happening with the testing in the Zone. There are a lot of new features in the syntax. 27:35 – That is a nice feature to add back in. 27:43 – Jia continues the talk. 28:55 – Panelist: There are a lot of tests in this Repo. Do Zones generally work out of the box or do you have to add support for different things? What are the criteria to add support to? Blue Birds added to the list somehow. 29:32 – Jia answers this question. 30:03 – Panelist: Can the GIST team add support or only can the Zone team add it? 30:37 – Jia: Other teams can add support to their libraries. It’s public. 31:10 – Panelist: This is over my head, but is there a plan to get the documents going? 31:32 – Jia adds a comment. 31:41 – Panelist: Google this: What the heck is zones? An opposite side of the question: What would happen to Angular if you remove Zones.js? 32:10 – Jia answers this question. 332:37 – Zones is effectively how it works sweetly in Angular. It’s not totally true but if you remove Zones.js – which I see some people doing – why would someone do this? Is it heavy is it...? 33:20 – Jia answers the question. Jia: It’s not good for the Angular element. 34:29 – Panelist: It is an island of Angular. 34:54 – Jia continues this conversation. 35:10 – Panelist: That’s interesting – good to know. 35:18 – Jia: Back to the new features. 38:22 – Jia mentions another feature. 39:43 – JavaScript something haunts you – then you are now a real developer! 40:03 – Jia: Yes, exactly. 40:10 – Panelist: I am going to put some things in the links that the listeners can access. (NG Zone) 40:28 – Picks! 40:31 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job Course Links: GitHub What is New in Zone.js Thriller Troopers Web Tracing Framework NG Zone Audible – Educated Real Talk – JavaScript The dark side of conferences Real Talk Java Script’s Twitter Jia Li’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Jia You Don’t Know JS Switching to Angular 2 Aaron Educated John Real Talk JavaScript https://twitter.com/realtalkjs The Dark Side of Conferences Joe The Developer Experience Bait and Switch

Panel: Joe Eames Aaron Frost John Papa Special Guests: Jia Li In this episode, the Adventures in Angular panel talks with Jia Li about Zones.js. Check-out today’s episode to hear this topic plus more! Show Topics: 1:20 – What are zones? 1:25 – Jia: It is a library developed 4 years ago. 1:45 – Panelist: Execution context? What is this? 1:50 – Jia answers this question. 2:42 – I know it’s big in Angular because it kind of takes care of itself. What are the new things you have done in zones and let’s talk about that? 3:01 – Jia: I started contributing 2 years ago. About 1 year ago I was using Angular. I would like to talk about different 3:35 – Where are zones used in Angular – lots of people don’t know where it is. 3:48 – Jia: For four parts. 6:23 – What is this framework that you are talking about? Check-out the links for this framework. 6:42 – Panelists chime-in with their comments. 7:29 – Jia: It is a standalone package in Zone. 8:27 – Going back to John’s question. I only ran into it a few times – one time in one of my classes I made a new behavior subject. That subject got created before the zone. Anything I did outside of Angular zone, didn’t know what was going on. Once I stuck the behavior subject in one of the classes everything got taken care of. You kind of monkey patch... what else gets monkey patched by zones? 9:28 – Jia answers the question. 10:54 – Monkey-patch is a term that we use in this industry. What is it? 11:05 – Jia answers this question. Jia: Monkey patch basically is overriding the procedure for the API. 14:05 – What are some of the new things you are doing? I know you’ve done some new things and what’s new with Zones? 14:28 – Lia: It’s all about the performance. 16:55 – Panelist: I didn’t know all about these hooks – so that’s cool! I knew about handling errors, but I didn’t know there are different ways to work with the tasks. I am curious what kind of interesting things have you done with Zones as an Angular developer? 17:38 – Lia answers the questions. 19:15 – Debugging and tests are good for Zones. But it sounds like you are saying that Zones is not good for... 19:50 – Lia answers the question. 20:35 – Panelist: Sounds like Zones is doing what you need out of the box for... 20:51 – Panelist: You improved some of the performance? Zones doesn’t have that much of a footprint and is pretty lightweight. How much did you better the performance? 20-30%? 2:25 – Jia – I think the library is faster. There is a lot of garbage collection. It’s not that much. 22:47 – Advertisement – Code Badges! 23:38 – Panelist: So it will help with garbage collection. That is good to know. Cool to know that you can optimize such a small library with... 23:48 – Jia comments. 26:09 – Panelist: Gottcha. 26:16 – Jia continues this topic. Jia: A lot of new things are happening with the testing in the Zone. There are a lot of new features in the syntax. 27:35 – That is a nice feature to add back in. 27:43 – Jia continues the talk. 28:55 – Panelist: There are a lot of tests in this Repo. Do Zones generally work out of the box or do you have to add support for different things? What are the criteria to add support to? Blue Birds added to the list somehow. 29:32 – Jia answers this question. 30:03 – Panelist: Can the GIST team add support or only can the Zone team add it? 30:37 – Jia: Other teams can add support to their libraries. It’s public. 31:10 – Panelist: This is over my head, but is there a plan to get the documents going? 31:32 – Jia adds a comment. 31:41 – Panelist: Google this: What the heck is zones? An opposite side of the question: What would happen to Angular if you remove Zones.js? 32:10 – Jia answers this question. 332:37 – Zones is effectively how it works sweetly in Angular. It’s not totally true but if you remove Zones.js – which I see some people doing – why would someone do this? Is it heavy is it...? 33:20 – Jia answers the question. Jia: It’s not good for the Angular element. 34:29 – Panelist: It is an island of Angular. 34:54 – Jia continues this conversation. 35:10 – Panelist: That’s interesting – good to know. 35:18 – Jia: Back to the new features. 38:22 – Jia mentions another feature. 39:43 – JavaScript something haunts you – then you are now a real developer! 40:03 – Jia: Yes, exactly. 40:10 – Panelist: I am going to put some things in the links that the listeners can access. (NG Zone) 40:28 – Picks! 40:31 – Advertisement – Get a Coder Job Course Links: GitHub What is New in Zone.js Thriller Troopers Web Tracing Framework NG Zone Audible – Educated Real Talk – JavaScript The dark side of conferences Real Talk Java Script’s Twitter Jia Li’s LinkedIn Sponsors: Angular Boot Camp Digital Ocean Get a Coder Job Course Picks: Jia You Don’t Know JS Switching to Angular 2 Aaron Educated John Real Talk JavaScript https://twitter.com/realtalkjs The Dark Side of Conferences Joe The Developer Experience Bait and Switch

Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett John Papa Special Guest: No Guest(s) In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss their various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community!  Show Topics: 1:31 – Erik: Contributing to opensource – and being a good resource for the community. Contributing and still making a living. If people want to make this more sustainable and doing work for the community. 2:26 – Chuck: What do you been by “contributing” – because people could think that “code contributions” would be it. 2:50 – Erik: Answering people’s questions in a chat, code contributions, or doing a podcast or doing a blog posts. I think there are a lot of ways to contribute. Really anything to make their lives and work easier. 3:33 – Panelist: Can we go around and ask the panel individually what THEY do? It could be as simple as mentoring someone at your work. I’m curious to see what the panelist members have done. Sometimes you can get paid for those contributions. 4:40 – Panelist: I am super scared to contribute source code. I really love organizing things: Meetups, conferences, etc. That’s my favorite sort of work. It is also terrifying, though, too. Educational content and organizing conferences are my favorite ways to contribute. 6:10 – Panelist: Why is that attractive for you? 6:22 – Panelist: That’s a good question. I’ve already started planning for the 2022 conference. It’s very physical – there are people that are present. Very direct interaction. My second favorite is sometimes I will teach at local boot camp, and the topic is about interviewing. There is interaction there, too. 8:32 – Panelist: Why do you think organizing conferences is useful? 8:46 – Panelist: Top way is that I will hear stories after the fact. “Oh I came to the conference, met this person, and now I have a new job that pays 30% more...thank you!” Stories like that are rewarding. It’s a ripple effect. A conference the main thing you are putting out there are videos (main product) going to YouTube. The people that are there, at the conference, are interacting people and they are making friends and making contacts. It inspires them to do better. John Papa just goes out there to talk into the hallway. You can talk to Chris Fritz in the hall. Make yourself available. You are the celebrities and people want to meet you. 12:20 – Panel talks about how desperate they are to talk to Chris. 12:36 – Panelist: Going to conferences and meeting other people. 13:08 – Panelist: Taking part of conferences in other ways. That’s something that you do Divya Sasidharan? 13:33 – Divya: It depends on your personality. You get to speak as a speaker, because you get visibility fast. I don’t think you don’t have to speak if you don’t want to speak. Anything within your community that is beneficial. Or the one-to-one interactions are great. Having a conversation with another person that cannot respond. It’s nice to give a speech because it’s a one-way conversation. I like the preparation part of it. The delivery is the nerves, afterwards is a high because it’s over with. I really like writing demos. For the demos I put in a lot of time into it. It gives me the space and time constraint to work on those demos. 16:10 – Do you like the preparation or the delivery? 16:20 – Preparation part that I do not like as much because it is nerve-wrecking, and then the anticipation to go up there on stage. 16:55 – Panelist: I am nervous until when it starts. Once I start talking – well that’s it! Can’t go back now. 17:26 – John: I have given a few talks at a conference. 17:39 – Panelist: Doing good and contributing. I knew John Papa when he was in Microsoft in 2000/2001. I read about it. Everyone knew about him. It would be so GREAT to meet John Papa, and now we are friends! We get to talk about personal stuff and I learn from him. 18:42 – Chris: I have had moments like that, too. Act like they are a normal person. 19:01 – Chuck: After I walk off the stage people want to talk to me afterwards. 19:24 – John: For my personal style, I learn about talking at conferences. I spend a lot of times building a demo. I don’t spend a lot of times with decks. I work on the code, the talk separately. I whip that up quickly, so I don’t This is the story I am going to tell – that’s what I tell myself before I do a talk at a conference. Afterwards, people come up to you years later – and they give you these awesome feedback comments. It’s a huge reward and very fulfilling. There was someone in this world you were able to impact. That’s why I like teaching. I watch the sessions on YouTube. I want to have deep conversations with people. You are missing out if you aren’t talking to people at the conference. 23:26 – Panelist: Yeah, I agree. I do a lot of YouTube videos. I write a blog for a few years on Node and such. Then I got into videos, and helping new developers. Videos on Vue.js. Like you, Joe, I try to combine the two. If I can help myself, and OTHERS, that is great. I promote my own courses, my own affiliate links. It’s really fun talking in front of a video camera. Talking through something complex and making it simple. 24:52 – Panelist: Creating videos vs. speaking at a conference. 25:02 – Panelist: My bucket list is to do my conferences. I want to start putting out proposals. Easiest thing for me is to make videos. I used to do 20 takes before I was happy, but now I do one take and that’s it. 256:00 – Sounds like lower effort. You don’t have to ask anyone for permission to do a YouTube video. 26:21 – Panelist: Even if you are a beginner, then you can probably help others, too. At first, you feel like you are talking to yourself. If anything else, you are learning and you are getting experience. The ruby ducky programming. Talking to something that cannot respond to you. 27:11 – Like when I write a... 27:29 – Check out duck punching, and Paul Irish. 28:00 – Digital Ocean 28:42 – The creativity of doing YouTube videos. Is that rewarding to be creative or the organization? What part do you like in the creation process? 29:23 – I think a blog you have text you can be funny you can make the text interesting. With videos it’s a whole new world of teaching. YouTubers teaching certain concepts.  There are other people that have awesome animations. If I wanted to talk about a topic and do something simple or talk outside – there are a ton of different ways 31:10 – Panelist: Some times I just want to go off and be creative; hats-off to you. 31:28 – Panelist: I have tried to do a course with time stamps and certain 32:00 – D: Do you have a process of how you want to create your videos – what is your process? 32:22 – Panelist: I have a list of topics that I want to talk about. Then when I record it then I have a cheat sheet and I just go. Other people do other things, though. Like sketches and story boarding. 33:16 – D: Fun, fun, function. He has poster boards that he holds up and stuff. 33:36 – Panelist: People who listen to this podcast might be interested in podcasting? 33:54 – Panelist: Anyone who runs a podcast, Chuck? 34:16 – Chuck: When I started podcasting – I initially had to edit and publish – but now I pay someone to do it. It is a lot more work than it is. All you have to do is record and have a decent microphone, and put it out there. 35:18 – Panelist: It’s a labor of love. You almost lost your house because at first it wasn’t profitable. 35:45 – Chuck: Yeah for the most part we have it figured it out. Even then, we have 12 shows on the network on DevChat TV. 3 more I want to start and I want to put those on YouTube. Some people want to be on a new show with me. We will see. 36:37 – Chuck: I have a lot of people who asked about Python. We all come together and talk about what we are doing and seeing. It’s the water cooler discussion that people can hear for themselves. The conversation that you wish you could have to talk to experts. 38:03 – Podcasts provide that if you cannot get that at a conference? 38:16 – Conference talks are a little bit more prepared. We can go deeper in a podcast interview, because we can bring them back. You can get as involved as you want. It’s also 38:53 – Chuck: Podcasting is good if there is good content and it’s regular. 39:09 – Panelist: What is GOOD content? 39:20 – Chuck: There are different things people want. Generally they want something like: Staying Current Staying on the Edge When you go into the content it’s the host(s). I identify the way this host says THIS a certain way or that person says something THAT Way. That is all community connection. We do give people an introduction to topics that they might not hear anywhere else. With a Podcast if something new comes up we can interview someone THIS week and publish next week. Always staying current. 41:36 – Chuck: A lot of things go into it and community connection and staying current. 41:52 – Panelist: How to get started in EACH of the things we talked about. How do we try to get paid for some of these things? So we can provide value to communities. Talking about money sometimes is taboo. 43:36 – Panelist: Those are full topics all in by themselves. 43:55 – Chuck: Sustainability – let’s talk about that. I think we can enter into that 44:15 – Panelist: How do you decide what’s for free and what you are charging? How do you decide? 44:55 – Joe: I think one thing to start off is the best way to operate – do it because you feel like it needs to be done. The money follows. The minute you start solving people’s problems, money will follow. It’s good to think about the money, but don’t be obsessed. React conference. The react team didn’t want to do the conference, but it’s got to happen. The money happened afterwards. The money follows. Look for opportunities. Think ahead and be the responsible one. 47:28 – Panelist: If you want to setup a Meetup then go to... 47:45 – Panelist: I bet if you went to a Meet up and said you want to help – they would love that. 47:59 – Panelist: Yes, do something that is valuable. But events you will have a budget. Is it important to have money afterwards or try to break even? 48:38 – Joe: I think having money after the conference is just fine. The #1 thing is that if you are passionate about the project then you will make decisions to get that project out there. I can’t spend 500+ hours on something that it won’t help me pay my mortgage. 51:29 – Panelist: It’s not greedy to want money. 51:46 – Panelist: It’s a very thankless job. Many people don’t know how much effort goes into a conference. It’s a pain. People like Joe will put in 90 hours a week to pull off a conference. It’s a very, very difficult job. 53:42 – Panelist: Question to Divya. 54:00 – Divya: I have only been speaking for about a year now. For me, I feel this need to speak at different events to get my name out there. You wan the visibility, access to community and other benefits. These things trump the speaker’s fee. As I get more experience then I will look for a speaker’s fee. This fee is a baseline to make sure that you are given value for your time and effort. Most conferences do pay for your hotel and transportation. 56:58 – Panelist: How much is worth it to me to go and speak? Even if at the lower level; but someone who is a luminary in the field (John Papa). But for me it’s worth it. I am willing to spend my own dime. 58:14 – Panelist: John? 58:37 – John: You learn the most when you listen. I am impressed on your perspectives. Yes, early on you’ve got to get your brand out there. It’s an honor to speak then I’m honored. Do I have time? Will my family be okay if I am gone 3-4 days? Is this something that will have an impact in some way? Will I make connections? Will I be able to help the community? There is nothing wrong with saying I need to be paid X for that speech. It’s all of the blood, sweat, and tears that go into it. 1:01:30 – Panelist chimes in. I run conferences we cannot even cover their travel costs. Other conferences we can cover their travel costs; and everything in-between. There is nothing wrong with that. 1:02:11 – You have to be financially sound. Many of us do workshops, too. 1:02:59 – How do you get paid for podcasting? 1:03:11 – Chuck: I do get crap for having ads in the podcast. Nobody knows how much editing goes into one episode. It takes money for hosting, and finding guests, and it costs through Zoom. The amount of time it takes to produce these 12 shows is time-consuming. If you want to get something sponsored. Go approach companies and see. Once you get larger 5-10,000 listeners then that’s when you can pay your car payment. It’s a labor of love at first. The moral is that you WANT to do what you are doing. 1:06:11 – Advertisement. 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Panel: Divya Sasidharan Charles Max Wood Joe Eames Chris Fritz Erik Hanchett John Papa Special Guest: No Guest(s) In this episode, the panel talks amongst themselves on the topic: how does one contribute to opensource work? They discuss their various ways that they contribute, such as speaking at conferences, recording videos for YouTube, podcasting, among others. Check-out today’s episode to get some insight and inspiration of how YOU can contribute to YOUR community!  Show Topics: 1:31 – Erik: Contributing to opensource – and being a good resource for the community. Contributing and still making a living. If people want to make this more sustainable and doing work for the community. 2:26 – Chuck: What do you been by “contributing” – because people could think that “code contributions” would be it. 2:50 – Erik: Answering people’s questions in a chat, code contributions, or doing a podcast or doing a blog posts. I think there are a lot of ways to contribute. Really anything to make their lives and work easier. 3:33 – Panelist: Can we go around and ask the panel individually what THEY do? It could be as simple as mentoring someone at your work. I’m curious to see what the panelist members have done. Sometimes you can get paid for those contributions. 4:40 – Panelist: I am super scared to contribute source code. I really love organizing things: Meetups, conferences, etc. That’s my favorite sort of work. It is also terrifying, though, too. Educational content and organizing conferences are my favorite ways to contribute. 6:10 – Panelist: Why is that attractive for you? 6:22 – Panelist: That’s a good question. I’ve already started planning for the 2022 conference. It’s very physical – there are people that are present. Very direct interaction. My second favorite is sometimes I will teach at local boot camp, and the topic is about interviewing. There is interaction there, too. 8:32 – Panelist: Why do you think organizing conferences is useful? 8:46 – Panelist: Top way is that I will hear stories after the fact. “Oh I came to the conference, met this person, and now I have a new job that pays 30% more...thank you!” Stories like that are rewarding. It’s a ripple effect. A conference the main thing you are putting out there are videos (main product) going to YouTube. The people that are there, at the conference, are interacting people and they are making friends and making contacts. It inspires them to do better. John Papa just goes out there to talk into the hallway. You can talk to Chris Fritz in the hall. Make yourself available. You are the celebrities and people want to meet you. 12:20 – Panel talks about how desperate they are to talk to Chris. 12:36 – Panelist: Going to conferences and meeting other people. 13:08 – Panelist: Taking part of conferences in other ways. That’s something that you do Divya Sasidharan? 13:33 – Divya: It depends on your personality. You get to speak as a speaker, because you get visibility fast. I don’t think you don’t have to speak if you don’t want to speak. Anything within your community that is beneficial. Or the one-to-one interactions are great. Having a conversation with another person that cannot respond. It’s nice to give a speech because it’s a one-way conversation. I like the preparation part of it. The delivery is the nerves, afterwards is a high because it’s over with. I really like writing demos. For the demos I put in a lot of time into it. It gives me the space and time constraint to work on those demos. 16:10 – Do you like the preparation or the delivery? 16:20 – Preparation part that I do not like as much because it is nerve-wrecking, and then the anticipation to go up there on stage. 16:55 – Panelist: I am nervous until when it starts. Once I start talking – well that’s it! Can’t go back now. 17:26 – John: I have given a few talks at a conference. 17:39 – Panelist: Doing good and contributing. I knew John Papa when he was in Microsoft in 2000/2001. I read about it. Everyone knew about him. It would be so GREAT to meet John Papa, and now we are friends! We get to talk about personal stuff and I learn from him. 18:42 – Chris: I have had moments like that, too. Act like they are a normal person. 19:01 – Chuck: After I walk off the stage people want to talk to me afterwards. 19:24 – John: For my personal style, I learn about talking at conferences. I spend a lot of times building a demo. I don’t spend a lot of times with decks. I work on the code, the talk separately. I whip that up quickly, so I don’t This is the story I am going to tell – that’s what I tell myself before I do a talk at a conference. Afterwards, people come up to you years later – and they give you these awesome feedback comments. It’s a huge reward and very fulfilling. There was someone in this world you were able to impact. That’s why I like teaching. I watch the sessions on YouTube. I want to have deep conversations with people. You are missing out if you aren’t talking to people at the conference. 23:26 – Panelist: Yeah, I agree. I do a lot of YouTube videos. I write a blog for a few years on Node and such. Then I got into videos, and helping new developers. Videos on Vue.js. Like you, Joe, I try to combine the two. If I can help myself, and OTHERS, that is great. I promote my own courses, my own affiliate links. It’s really fun talking in front of a video camera. Talking through something complex and making it simple. 24:52 – Panelist: Creating videos vs. speaking at a conference. 25:02 – Panelist: My bucket list is to do my conferences. I want to start putting out proposals. Easiest thing for me is to make videos. I used to do 20 takes before I was happy, but now I do one take and that’s it. 256:00 – Sounds like lower effort. You don’t have to ask anyone for permission to do a YouTube video. 26:21 – Panelist: Even if you are a beginner, then you can probably help others, too. At first, you feel like you are talking to yourself. If anything else, you are learning and you are getting experience. The ruby ducky programming. Talking to something that cannot respond to you. 27:11 – Like when I write a... 27:29 – Check out duck punching, and Paul Irish. 28:00 – Digital Ocean 28:42 – The creativity of doing YouTube videos. Is that rewarding to be creative or the organization? What part do you like in the creation process? 29:23 – I think a blog you have text you can be funny you can make the text interesting. With videos it’s a whole new world of teaching. YouTubers teaching certain concepts.  There are other people that have awesome animations. If I wanted to talk about a topic and do something simple or talk outside – there are a ton of different ways 31:10 – Panelist: Some times I just want to go off and be creative; hats-off to you. 31:28 – Panelist: I have tried to do a course with time stamps and certain 32:00 – D: Do you have a process of how you want to create your videos – what is your process? 32:22 – Panelist: I have a list of topics that I want to talk about. Then when I record it then I have a cheat sheet and I just go. Other people do other things, though. Like sketches and story boarding. 33:16 – D: Fun, fun, function. He has poster boards that he holds up and stuff. 33:36 – Panelist: People who listen to this podcast might be interested in podcasting? 33:54 – Panelist: Anyone who runs a podcast, Chuck? 34:16 – Chuck: When I started podcasting – I initially had to edit and publish – but now I pay someone to do it. It is a lot more work than it is. All you have to do is record and have a decent microphone, and put it out there. 35:18 – Panelist: It’s a labor of love. You almost lost your house because at first it wasn’t profitable. 35:45 – Chuck: Yeah for the most part we have it figured it out. Even then, we have 12 shows on the network on DevChat TV. 3 more I want to start and I want to put those on YouTube. Some people want to be on a new show with me. We will see. 36:37 – Chuck: I have a lot of people who asked about Python. We all come together and talk about what we are doing and seeing. It’s the water cooler discussion that people can hear for themselves. The conversation that you wish you could have to talk to experts. 38:03 – Podcasts provide that if you cannot get that at a conference? 38:16 – Conference talks are a little bit more prepared. We can go deeper in a podcast interview, because we can bring them back. You can get as involved as you want. It’s also 38:53 – Chuck: Podcasting is good if there is good content and it’s regular. 39:09 – Panelist: What is GOOD content? 39:20 – Chuck: There are different things people want. Generally they want something like: Staying Current Staying on the Edge When you go into the content it’s the host(s). I identify the way this host says THIS a certain way or that person says something THAT Way. That is all community connection. We do give people an introduction to topics that they might not hear anywhere else. With a Podcast if something new comes up we can interview someone THIS week and publish next week. Always staying current. 41:36 – Chuck: A lot of things go into it and community connection and staying current. 41:52 – Panelist: How to get started in EACH of the things we talked about. How do we try to get paid for some of these things? So we can provide value to communities. Talking about money sometimes is taboo. 43:36 – Panelist: Those are full topics all in by themselves. 43:55 – Chuck: Sustainability – let’s talk about that. I think we can enter into that 44:15 – Panelist: How do you decide what’s for free and what you are charging? How do you decide? 44:55 – Joe: I think one thing to start off is the best way to operate – do it because you feel like it needs to be done. The money follows. The minute you start solving people’s problems, money will follow. It’s good to think about the money, but don’t be obsessed. React conference. The react team didn’t want to do the conference, but it’s got to happen. The money happened afterwards. The money follows. Look for opportunities. Think ahead and be the responsible one. 47:28 – Panelist: If you want to setup a Meetup then go to... 47:45 – Panelist: I bet if you went to a Meet up and said you want to help – they would love that. 47:59 – Panelist: Yes, do something that is valuable. But events you will have a budget. Is it important to have money afterwards or try to break even? 48:38 – Joe: I think having money after the conference is just fine. The #1 thing is that if you are passionate about the project then you will make decisions to get that project out there. I can’t spend 500+ hours on something that it won’t help me pay my mortgage. 51:29 – Panelist: It’s not greedy to want money. 51:46 – Panelist: It’s a very thankless job. Many people don’t know how much effort goes into a conference. It’s a pain. People like Joe will put in 90 hours a week to pull off a conference. It’s a very, very difficult job. 53:42 – Panelist: Question to Divya. 54:00 – Divya: I have only been speaking for about a year now. For me, I feel this need to speak at different events to get my name out there. You wan the visibility, access to community and other benefits. These things trump the speaker’s fee. As I get more experience then I will look for a speaker’s fee. This fee is a baseline to make sure that you are given value for your time and effort. Most conferences do pay for your hotel and transportation. 56:58 – Panelist: How much is worth it to me to go and speak? Even if at the lower level; but someone who is a luminary in the field (John Papa). But for me it’s worth it. I am willing to spend my own dime. 58:14 – Panelist: John? 58:37 – John: You learn the most when you listen. I am impressed on your perspectives. Yes, early on you’ve got to get your brand out there. It’s an honor to speak then I’m honored. Do I have time? Will my family be okay if I am gone 3-4 days? Is this something that will have an impact in some way? Will I make connections? Will I be able to help the community? There is nothing wrong with saying I need to be paid X for that speech. It’s all of the blood, sweat, and tears that go into it. 1:01:30 – Panelist chimes in. I run conferences we cannot even cover their travel costs. Other conferences we can cover their travel costs; and everything in-between. There is nothing wrong with that. 1:02:11 – You have to be financially sound. Many of us do workshops, too. 1:02:59 – How do you get paid for podcasting? 1:03:11 – Chuck: I do get crap for having ads in the podcast. Nobody knows how much editing goes into one episode. It takes money for hosting, and finding guests, and it costs through Zoom. The amount of time it takes to produce these 12 shows is time-consuming. If you want to get something sponsored. Go approach companies and see. Once you get larger 5-10,000 listeners then that’s when you can pay your car payment. It’s a labor of love at first. The moral is that you WANT to do what you are doing. 1:06:11 – Advertisement. 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