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Chuck and will are back to talking about a lot of nonsense including the first 3 episodes of of the second season of andor.    (00:00:00) - Intro, Tom Cruise & Adrenaline Junkie's (00:15:04) - Logan & MCU Casting (00:24:28) - What's The Perfect Length For A Season of TV? (00:31:16) - Chuck Give his Thoughts on The S02E02 Of The Last Of Us (00:43:36) - Andor Season 2 Episodes 1,2 & 3  Review(or who wears the pants) (01:05:23) - Lee gives his take on Andor (01:27:56) - More Andor Talk, Turning off Your Fandom is Hard (01:33:36) - ta ta 

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Panel: Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood David Richards Special Guest: Dan Mayer In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Dan Mayer who believes that small distributed software teams can make a large impact. Dan loves Ruby, distributed systems, OSS, and making development easier. The panel and Dan talk about performance and benchmarking. Check out today’s episode to learn more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Sentry.IO – Advertisement! 1:07 – Chuck: Our panel is Dave, David, myself, and our guest is Dan Mayer. Say “Hi”! 1:24 – Chuck: Give a brief introduction, please. 1:32 – Dan gives his background and what he currently is working on. 1:53 – Chuck: We wanted to talk to you about benchmarking and performance. Tell us how you got into this? 2:28 – Dan: It has been an interesting timeline for me. About seven years I worked for a large site that had a legacy Rails app. It got a lot of dusty corners over the years and we removed dead code, and removed bugs and confusion for the consumer. We were finding ways to tweak it and not impacting your users. I was using Trace Point but the overhead was quite significant. I moved away from that project but found that I found a need for it, again, a few years later. I actually tried to modify...and basically Eric said “prove that it is slow.” It really wasn’t the type of bottleneck that I was seeing. Since then I am rewriting it. I removed one bottleneck and now... 5:00 – Chuck: ...if that number gets smaller then Ruby is doing well. Is it really that simple? How do you benchmark? 5:15 – Dan answers the question. 6:40 – Panel: How do you benchmark things front to back? 6:49 – Dan: I look at benchmarking in different layers. You can see the overall impact in the broad range. If you want to see specific things then that’s a little trickier. For Ruby 3x3 he has been working on a Rails Benchmark, and that’s Noah. He has a sample Rails app and... 8:09 – Chuck: He is using discourse, and we talked to him on a past episode. 8:20 – Dan: My original plan was to insert my gem within that project. However, I ran into a few issues and Noah and I are working on that because of the issues. 8:57 – Panel: How does the coverband gem – how does it provide security so you don’t leak out information to in-users? 9:12 – Dan answers the question. 9:54 – Panel: Then you can build whatever views you want to trace back that sort of information? 10:02 – Dan answers the question. 10:30 – Chuck: Is it running benchmarks against every method you have in your app or what? 10:40 – Dan answers question. 11:27 – Panel: I like when I can remove all of the code I feel safe. 1:37 – Dan: The gem was driven by the fact that I love to delete code. These old files have been sitting around – they aren’t valid – let’s get rid of them. 12:04 – Chuck: This is off topic from benchmarking, but... 12:43 – Dan: ...to get that feature at run time it can hurt your performance.  15:20 – Panel: Is there added memory usage? 15:27 – Dan: I rewrote the library around coverage and I put it out. It worked well for my company and myself. But people were saying that they got a huge performance hit. I went from needing to sample to capture...the new bottleneck was collecting the data all of the code usage of your gems and...it went from just recording your custom code to all Ruby code. Where it was slowing down was reporting that. I didn’t have any benchmarks to capture that. What I was failing to do was... I can talk about what I did do to help people if you want? 17:41 – Chuck: Looking at how much storage is my app using or how much...How can you even begin to isolate it? 18:11 – Dan: On all the different types of benchmarking – I know there is a benchmarking memory increase. I haven’t benchmarked that, yet. To get at these different levels, how do we ensure that’s fast? It was a new challenge to me. 19:45 – Panel: It sounds like this has become a practice over the years. Is that how you handle it or how do you like to use it? 20:07 – Dan: When I started using this benchmarking is because I wanted to solve something. There were several regressions. We’d go back and address it. What I tried doing is put all the benchmarks into the gem. I think back by the Ruby 3x3 goals... 21:49 – Panel: What comes to mind is appreciating well-crafted software that really does well – maybe measure what customer output is? 22:43 – Dan: What people care about is their application. You can look to see... 23:33 – Panel: Automating takes that pressure right off of me and I can do 23:47 – Chuck: Recording all the things you want to do. We are talking about this right now you can record some of it in these tests or... 24:06 – Dan: I have fixed these performance things in the past. I have more confidence that these things get fixed before they get released. Having that methodology helps a lot. 24:43 – Advertisement – RubyMine 25:10 – Panel: I think it’s good to see WHERE your application is getting used the most. To see where you have the MOST code usage. 26:20 – Dan: That’s a good story on back on regressions on benchmarking or performances. 27:46 – Dan: One thing that I think is interesting – I believe the Rails performance testing has gone blank essentially. There are good articles but in the Rails 5 the guides no longer have any information. There is so much talk about performance and benchmarking but things have gotten lost, too. 28:28 – Panel: It’s interesting how we get into x, y, and z. We tend to figure it out and some guys focus on the next thing and the next. 29:24 – Dan: The fads of the things that go in-and-out. It’s definitely coming back: the performance in the Ruby world. My theory is that the tools have gotten that much better and people are doing less. They have offloaded a lot of things for people. It shows, though, it doesn’t do everything. 30:19 – Panel: I think that’s valuable, too. The WHOLE package – this is how we deliver, and these are the tools and the toolkits. I miss Ruby every time that I have to step away b/c I have to use something else. 31:17 – Dan: It sounds COOL to use Elixir and whatnot, but I just can’t get into it as much as when I use Ruby. When I try to branch out to use another language it isn’t the same. 31:47 – Panel: When the pressure is high I use Ruby so that’s where my heart is. 31:58 – Dan: It falls a little short, sometimes, it’s an easy thing that people say: it’s so slow. It’s one of those that we’d like to have a better answer. Is it something that people have thought of as a continual thing or...? 32:47 – Chuck: It’s generally to resolve an issue here or there. 32:57 – Panel. 33:07 – Chuck: When I do use the benchmarks I have added in my test suite a trip wire that validates that it’s under a certain point. 33:37 – Panel: If I did that my tests would never pass. 33:45 – Chuck. 33:49 – Dan: How can you do that reliably where you get the value but you don’t have a bunch of false failures? A person has to do it to see if it is faster/slower. 34:26 – Panel: For my applications – usually they are slow not b/c of Ruby but b/c of a poor architectural decision we have made. Every situation you can go and weight it to see what is best. Ultimately they are the ones that are brining in money into your business. 35:27 – Chuck: When I add things into my test suites is b/c there was some major performance hiccup where it ruins the user’s flow. 35:55 – Dan: The way you benchmark it... Benchmarking a gem or a library it’s how can it impact other people’s apps. And the Ruby 3x3 is proving that it’s faster – what does that mean – and I think Noah has done some great work on. 36:30 – Dan: The last thing I want to mention is Julia’s work on that is what got me back into coverband. I was thinking I would use a different version of coverband that would use RBSPY. 37:37 – Chuck: Yeah, that was a great episode. 37:44 – Dan: I want to play with it some more. I guess I would have to know more in Rust, though. 37:57 – Chuck: Anything that you are working on within this space? 38:04 – Dan: There have been 4-5 current people in coverband and we have added a bunch of new benchmarks and they are 60% faster. I am trying to work on getting a simpler version out there. Hopefully it will be live soon after getting rid of the bugs. 39:05 – Chuck: How can people find you? 39:10 – Dan: My blog, Twitter, and GitHub! 39:22 – Chuck: M-A-Y-E-R. 39:36 – Picks! 39:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Rust Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails Angular Benchmark-IPS Rbspy Ruby Benchmarking Benchmarking Bugs Coverband TracePoint RR 362 Episode Rails Guides Atomic Habits EasyRes Skinny Pop Blog through AppSignal Book: Extreme Ownership Noah Gibbs’ Twitter Dan Mayer’s Blog Dan Mayer’s Twitter Dan Mayer’s GitHub Dan Mayer’s Medium Sponsors: Sentry RubyMine Cache Fly Fresh Books Picks: David Atomic Habits by James Clear Dave EasyRes Skinny Pop Charles Extreme Ownership Jocko Willink podcast 2 Keto Dudes Ketogenic Forums Dan Artemis https://blog.appsignal.com/2018/09/28/active-record-vs-ecto.html https://github.com/evanphx/benchmark-ips https://github.com/rbspy/rbspy

Panel: Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood David Richards Special Guest: Dan Mayer In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Dan Mayer who believes that small distributed software teams can make a large impact. Dan loves Ruby, distributed systems, OSS, and making development easier. The panel and Dan talk about performance and benchmarking. Check out today’s episode to learn more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Sentry.IO – Advertisement! 1:07 – Chuck: Our panel is Dave, David, myself, and our guest is Dan Mayer. Say “Hi”! 1:24 – Chuck: Give a brief introduction, please. 1:32 – Dan gives his background and what he currently is working on. 1:53 – Chuck: We wanted to talk to you about benchmarking and performance. Tell us how you got into this? 2:28 – Dan: It has been an interesting timeline for me. About seven years I worked for a large site that had a legacy Rails app. It got a lot of dusty corners over the years and we removed dead code, and removed bugs and confusion for the consumer. We were finding ways to tweak it and not impacting your users. I was using Trace Point but the overhead was quite significant. I moved away from that project but found that I found a need for it, again, a few years later. I actually tried to modify...and basically Eric said “prove that it is slow.” It really wasn’t the type of bottleneck that I was seeing. Since then I am rewriting it. I removed one bottleneck and now... 5:00 – Chuck: ...if that number gets smaller then Ruby is doing well. Is it really that simple? How do you benchmark? 5:15 – Dan answers the question. 6:40 – Panel: How do you benchmark things front to back? 6:49 – Dan: I look at benchmarking in different layers. You can see the overall impact in the broad range. If you want to see specific things then that’s a little trickier. For Ruby 3x3 he has been working on a Rails Benchmark, and that’s Noah. He has a sample Rails app and... 8:09 – Chuck: He is using discourse, and we talked to him on a past episode. 8:20 – Dan: My original plan was to insert my gem within that project. However, I ran into a few issues and Noah and I are working on that because of the issues. 8:57 – Panel: How does the coverband gem – how does it provide security so you don’t leak out information to in-users? 9:12 – Dan answers the question. 9:54 – Panel: Then you can build whatever views you want to trace back that sort of information? 10:02 – Dan answers the question. 10:30 – Chuck: Is it running benchmarks against every method you have in your app or what? 10:40 – Dan answers question. 11:27 – Panel: I like when I can remove all of the code I feel safe. 1:37 – Dan: The gem was driven by the fact that I love to delete code. These old files have been sitting around – they aren’t valid – let’s get rid of them. 12:04 – Chuck: This is off topic from benchmarking, but... 12:43 – Dan: ...to get that feature at run time it can hurt your performance.  15:20 – Panel: Is there added memory usage? 15:27 – Dan: I rewrote the library around coverage and I put it out. It worked well for my company and myself. But people were saying that they got a huge performance hit. I went from needing to sample to capture...the new bottleneck was collecting the data all of the code usage of your gems and...it went from just recording your custom code to all Ruby code. Where it was slowing down was reporting that. I didn’t have any benchmarks to capture that. What I was failing to do was... I can talk about what I did do to help people if you want? 17:41 – Chuck: Looking at how much storage is my app using or how much...How can you even begin to isolate it? 18:11 – Dan: On all the different types of benchmarking – I know there is a benchmarking memory increase. I haven’t benchmarked that, yet. To get at these different levels, how do we ensure that’s fast? It was a new challenge to me. 19:45 – Panel: It sounds like this has become a practice over the years. Is that how you handle it or how do you like to use it? 20:07 – Dan: When I started using this benchmarking is because I wanted to solve something. There were several regressions. We’d go back and address it. What I tried doing is put all the benchmarks into the gem. I think back by the Ruby 3x3 goals... 21:49 – Panel: What comes to mind is appreciating well-crafted software that really does well – maybe measure what customer output is? 22:43 – Dan: What people care about is their application. You can look to see... 23:33 – Panel: Automating takes that pressure right off of me and I can do 23:47 – Chuck: Recording all the things you want to do. We are talking about this right now you can record some of it in these tests or... 24:06 – Dan: I have fixed these performance things in the past. I have more confidence that these things get fixed before they get released. Having that methodology helps a lot. 24:43 – Advertisement – RubyMine 25:10 – Panel: I think it’s good to see WHERE your application is getting used the most. To see where you have the MOST code usage. 26:20 – Dan: That’s a good story on back on regressions on benchmarking or performances. 27:46 – Dan: One thing that I think is interesting – I believe the Rails performance testing has gone blank essentially. There are good articles but in the Rails 5 the guides no longer have any information. There is so much talk about performance and benchmarking but things have gotten lost, too. 28:28 – Panel: It’s interesting how we get into x, y, and z. We tend to figure it out and some guys focus on the next thing and the next. 29:24 – Dan: The fads of the things that go in-and-out. It’s definitely coming back: the performance in the Ruby world. My theory is that the tools have gotten that much better and people are doing less. They have offloaded a lot of things for people. It shows, though, it doesn’t do everything. 30:19 – Panel: I think that’s valuable, too. The WHOLE package – this is how we deliver, and these are the tools and the toolkits. I miss Ruby every time that I have to step away b/c I have to use something else. 31:17 – Dan: It sounds COOL to use Elixir and whatnot, but I just can’t get into it as much as when I use Ruby. When I try to branch out to use another language it isn’t the same. 31:47 – Panel: When the pressure is high I use Ruby so that’s where my heart is. 31:58 – Dan: It falls a little short, sometimes, it’s an easy thing that people say: it’s so slow. It’s one of those that we’d like to have a better answer. Is it something that people have thought of as a continual thing or...? 32:47 – Chuck: It’s generally to resolve an issue here or there. 32:57 – Panel. 33:07 – Chuck: When I do use the benchmarks I have added in my test suite a trip wire that validates that it’s under a certain point. 33:37 – Panel: If I did that my tests would never pass. 33:45 – Chuck. 33:49 – Dan: How can you do that reliably where you get the value but you don’t have a bunch of false failures? A person has to do it to see if it is faster/slower. 34:26 – Panel: For my applications – usually they are slow not b/c of Ruby but b/c of a poor architectural decision we have made. Every situation you can go and weight it to see what is best. Ultimately they are the ones that are brining in money into your business. 35:27 – Chuck: When I add things into my test suites is b/c there was some major performance hiccup where it ruins the user’s flow. 35:55 – Dan: The way you benchmark it... Benchmarking a gem or a library it’s how can it impact other people’s apps. And the Ruby 3x3 is proving that it’s faster – what does that mean – and I think Noah has done some great work on. 36:30 – Dan: The last thing I want to mention is Julia’s work on that is what got me back into coverband. I was thinking I would use a different version of coverband that would use RBSPY. 37:37 – Chuck: Yeah, that was a great episode. 37:44 – Dan: I want to play with it some more. I guess I would have to know more in Rust, though. 37:57 – Chuck: Anything that you are working on within this space? 38:04 – Dan: There have been 4-5 current people in coverband and we have added a bunch of new benchmarks and they are 60% faster. I am trying to work on getting a simpler version out there. Hopefully it will be live soon after getting rid of the bugs. 39:05 – Chuck: How can people find you? 39:10 – Dan: My blog, Twitter, and GitHub! 39:22 – Chuck: M-A-Y-E-R. 39:36 – Picks! 39:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Rust Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails Angular Benchmark-IPS Rbspy Ruby Benchmarking Benchmarking Bugs Coverband TracePoint RR 362 Episode Rails Guides Atomic Habits EasyRes Skinny Pop Blog through AppSignal Book: Extreme Ownership Noah Gibbs’ Twitter Dan Mayer’s Blog Dan Mayer’s Twitter Dan Mayer’s GitHub Dan Mayer’s Medium Sponsors: Sentry RubyMine Cache Fly Fresh Books Picks: David Atomic Habits by James Clear Dave EasyRes Skinny Pop Charles Extreme Ownership Jocko Willink podcast 2 Keto Dudes Ketogenic Forums Dan Artemis https://blog.appsignal.com/2018/09/28/active-record-vs-ecto.html https://github.com/evanphx/benchmark-ips https://github.com/rbspy/rbspy

Panel: Dave Kimura Charles Max Wood David Richards Special Guest: Dan Mayer In this episode of Ruby Rogues, the panel talks with Dan Mayer who believes that small distributed software teams can make a large impact. Dan loves Ruby, distributed systems, OSS, and making development easier. The panel and Dan talk about performance and benchmarking. Check out today’s episode to learn more! Show Topics: 0:00 – Sentry.IO – Advertisement! 1:07 – Chuck: Our panel is Dave, David, myself, and our guest is Dan Mayer. Say “Hi”! 1:24 – Chuck: Give a brief introduction, please. 1:32 – Dan gives his background and what he currently is working on. 1:53 – Chuck: We wanted to talk to you about benchmarking and performance. Tell us how you got into this? 2:28 – Dan: It has been an interesting timeline for me. About seven years I worked for a large site that had a legacy Rails app. It got a lot of dusty corners over the years and we removed dead code, and removed bugs and confusion for the consumer. We were finding ways to tweak it and not impacting your users. I was using Trace Point but the overhead was quite significant. I moved away from that project but found that I found a need for it, again, a few years later. I actually tried to modify...and basically Eric said “prove that it is slow.” It really wasn’t the type of bottleneck that I was seeing. Since then I am rewriting it. I removed one bottleneck and now... 5:00 – Chuck: ...if that number gets smaller then Ruby is doing well. Is it really that simple? How do you benchmark? 5:15 – Dan answers the question. 6:40 – Panel: How do you benchmark things front to back? 6:49 – Dan: I look at benchmarking in different layers. You can see the overall impact in the broad range. If you want to see specific things then that’s a little trickier. For Ruby 3x3 he has been working on a Rails Benchmark, and that’s Noah. He has a sample Rails app and... 8:09 – Chuck: He is using discourse, and we talked to him on a past episode. 8:20 – Dan: My original plan was to insert my gem within that project. However, I ran into a few issues and Noah and I are working on that because of the issues. 8:57 – Panel: How does the coverband gem – how does it provide security so you don’t leak out information to in-users? 9:12 – Dan answers the question. 9:54 – Panel: Then you can build whatever views you want to trace back that sort of information? 10:02 – Dan answers the question. 10:30 – Chuck: Is it running benchmarks against every method you have in your app or what? 10:40 – Dan answers question. 11:27 – Panel: I like when I can remove all of the code I feel safe. 1:37 – Dan: The gem was driven by the fact that I love to delete code. These old files have been sitting around – they aren’t valid – let’s get rid of them. 12:04 – Chuck: This is off topic from benchmarking, but... 12:43 – Dan: ...to get that feature at run time it can hurt your performance.  15:20 – Panel: Is there added memory usage? 15:27 – Dan: I rewrote the library around coverage and I put it out. It worked well for my company and myself. But people were saying that they got a huge performance hit. I went from needing to sample to capture...the new bottleneck was collecting the data all of the code usage of your gems and...it went from just recording your custom code to all Ruby code. Where it was slowing down was reporting that. I didn’t have any benchmarks to capture that. What I was failing to do was... I can talk about what I did do to help people if you want? 17:41 – Chuck: Looking at how much storage is my app using or how much...How can you even begin to isolate it? 18:11 – Dan: On all the different types of benchmarking – I know there is a benchmarking memory increase. I haven’t benchmarked that, yet. To get at these different levels, how do we ensure that’s fast? It was a new challenge to me. 19:45 – Panel: It sounds like this has become a practice over the years. Is that how you handle it or how do you like to use it? 20:07 – Dan: When I started using this benchmarking is because I wanted to solve something. There were several regressions. We’d go back and address it. What I tried doing is put all the benchmarks into the gem. I think back by the Ruby 3x3 goals... 21:49 – Panel: What comes to mind is appreciating well-crafted software that really does well – maybe measure what customer output is? 22:43 – Dan: What people care about is their application. You can look to see... 23:33 – Panel: Automating takes that pressure right off of me and I can do 23:47 – Chuck: Recording all the things you want to do. We are talking about this right now you can record some of it in these tests or... 24:06 – Dan: I have fixed these performance things in the past. I have more confidence that these things get fixed before they get released. Having that methodology helps a lot. 24:43 – Advertisement – RubyMine 25:10 – Panel: I think it’s good to see WHERE your application is getting used the most. To see where you have the MOST code usage. 26:20 – Dan: That’s a good story on back on regressions on benchmarking or performances. 27:46 – Dan: One thing that I think is interesting – I believe the Rails performance testing has gone blank essentially. There are good articles but in the Rails 5 the guides no longer have any information. There is so much talk about performance and benchmarking but things have gotten lost, too. 28:28 – Panel: It’s interesting how we get into x, y, and z. We tend to figure it out and some guys focus on the next thing and the next. 29:24 – Dan: The fads of the things that go in-and-out. It’s definitely coming back: the performance in the Ruby world. My theory is that the tools have gotten that much better and people are doing less. They have offloaded a lot of things for people. It shows, though, it doesn’t do everything. 30:19 – Panel: I think that’s valuable, too. The WHOLE package – this is how we deliver, and these are the tools and the toolkits. I miss Ruby every time that I have to step away b/c I have to use something else. 31:17 – Dan: It sounds COOL to use Elixir and whatnot, but I just can’t get into it as much as when I use Ruby. When I try to branch out to use another language it isn’t the same. 31:47 – Panel: When the pressure is high I use Ruby so that’s where my heart is. 31:58 – Dan: It falls a little short, sometimes, it’s an easy thing that people say: it’s so slow. It’s one of those that we’d like to have a better answer. Is it something that people have thought of as a continual thing or...? 32:47 – Chuck: It’s generally to resolve an issue here or there. 32:57 – Panel. 33:07 – Chuck: When I do use the benchmarks I have added in my test suite a trip wire that validates that it’s under a certain point. 33:37 – Panel: If I did that my tests would never pass. 33:45 – Chuck. 33:49 – Dan: How can you do that reliably where you get the value but you don’t have a bunch of false failures? A person has to do it to see if it is faster/slower. 34:26 – Panel: For my applications – usually they are slow not b/c of Ruby but b/c of a poor architectural decision we have made. Every situation you can go and weight it to see what is best. Ultimately they are the ones that are brining in money into your business. 35:27 – Chuck: When I add things into my test suites is b/c there was some major performance hiccup where it ruins the user’s flow. 35:55 – Dan: The way you benchmark it... Benchmarking a gem or a library it’s how can it impact other people’s apps. And the Ruby 3x3 is proving that it’s faster – what does that mean – and I think Noah has done some great work on. 36:30 – Dan: The last thing I want to mention is Julia’s work on that is what got me back into coverband. I was thinking I would use a different version of coverband that would use RBSPY. 37:37 – Chuck: Yeah, that was a great episode. 37:44 – Dan: I want to play with it some more. I guess I would have to know more in Rust, though. 37:57 – Chuck: Anything that you are working on within this space? 38:04 – Dan: There have been 4-5 current people in coverband and we have added a bunch of new benchmarks and they are 60% faster. I am trying to work on getting a simpler version out there. Hopefully it will be live soon after getting rid of the bugs. 39:05 – Chuck: How can people find you? 39:10 – Dan: My blog, Twitter, and GitHub! 39:22 – Chuck: M-A-Y-E-R. 39:36 – Picks! 39:40 – Advertisement – Fresh Books! End – Cache Fly! Links: Get a Coder Job Course Ruby Rust Ruby Motion Ruby on Rails Angular Benchmark-IPS Rbspy Ruby Benchmarking Benchmarking Bugs Coverband TracePoint RR 362 Episode Rails Guides Atomic Habits EasyRes Skinny Pop Blog through AppSignal Book: Extreme Ownership Noah Gibbs’ Twitter Dan Mayer’s Blog Dan Mayer’s Twitter Dan Mayer’s GitHub Dan Mayer’s Medium Sponsors: Sentry RubyMine Cache Fly Fresh Books Picks: David Atomic Habits by James Clear Dave EasyRes Skinny Pop Charles Extreme Ownership Jocko Willink podcast 2 Keto Dudes Ketogenic Forums Dan Artemis https://blog.appsignal.com/2018/09/28/active-record-vs-ecto.html https://github.com/evanphx/benchmark-ips https://github.com/rbspy/rbspy

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Ely Lucas This week on My JavaScirpt Story, Charles speaks with Ely Lucas who is a software developer. He loves technologies and mobile technologies among other things. Let’s listen to today’s episode where Chuck and Ely talk about Ionic, Angular, React and many other topics! Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:33 – Hello! 1:40 Chuck: Give us a background on who you are, and tell us how famous you are! 2:31 – Chuck: What do you do with Ionic? 2:40 – Ely answers the question. 3:51 – Chuck: How did you get into your field? 3:55 – Ely: When I was a kid and played with video games. Later on I got into web development, like my website. Then I got into a professional-level of developing. Ely goes into detail about how his passion for developing began and developed. 6:30 – Chuck: Yeah, I’ve talked with people who have gotten into video games, then got into software development. 7:01 – Ely: Someday I would like to develop games. 7:12 – Chuck: Yes, web developing is awesome. Chuck asks Ely another question. 7:25 – Ely answers the question and mentions web controls. 9:17 – Ely: I thought Ajax was easier. 9:38 – Chuck: When I got into web development jQuery was sort of new. It made things a lot easier. 9:58 – Ely: A lot of people like to sneer at jQuery now, but back in the day it was IT. 10:28 – Chuck: How did you get into Ionic? 10:43 – Ely: I got a fulltime gig working on Ionic; I like the framework. I saw a job application and sent in my résumé. Two days later I got a callback and was amazed. They were hiring remotely. The team liked me and started over a year ago. 11:46 – Chuck asks a question. 11:54 – Ely answers the question. 13:20 – Chuck: Why Ionic? 13:35 – Ely: It was based off of Angular. 15:17 – Chuck: You mentioned...what has the transition been like? 15:32 – Ely talks about past programs he has worked with. He taught React in the early React days. 16:37 – Ely: I have a deep appreciation on React now. 17:09 – Chuck: I like seeing the process that people go through. 17:24 – Ely continues the conversation. Ely: It is interesting to see the learning process that people go through to arrive in the same place. 18:18 – Chuck: Redux is a good example of this. Anyway, this is near the end of our time. 18:39 – Chuck: Anything else you want to talk about? 18:48 – Ely: Yes, I have been involved in the Denver community. Check us out. Links: Ionic jQuery JavaScript React Ely Lucas’ Twitter Ely Lucas’ LinkedIn Ely Lucas Ely Lucas’ GitHub Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Code Badges Digital Ocean Picks: Charles Audible Book: Seven Proven Principles... Tony Robbins’ Book: Unshakeable Ely Fantasy Novel: Shadow of what was lost. Ionic

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Ely Lucas This week on My JavaScirpt Story, Charles speaks with Ely Lucas who is a software developer. He loves technologies and mobile technologies among other things. Let’s listen to today’s episode where Chuck and Ely talk about Ionic, Angular, React and many other topics! Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:33 – Hello! 1:40 Chuck: Give us a background on who you are, and tell us how famous you are! 2:31 – Chuck: What do you do with Ionic? 2:40 – Ely answers the question. 3:51 – Chuck: How did you get into your field? 3:55 – Ely: When I was a kid and played with video games. Later on I got into web development, like my website. Then I got into a professional-level of developing. Ely goes into detail about how his passion for developing began and developed. 6:30 – Chuck: Yeah, I’ve talked with people who have gotten into video games, then got into software development. 7:01 – Ely: Someday I would like to develop games. 7:12 – Chuck: Yes, web developing is awesome. Chuck asks Ely another question. 7:25 – Ely answers the question and mentions web controls. 9:17 – Ely: I thought Ajax was easier. 9:38 – Chuck: When I got into web development jQuery was sort of new. It made things a lot easier. 9:58 – Ely: A lot of people like to sneer at jQuery now, but back in the day it was IT. 10:28 – Chuck: How did you get into Ionic? 10:43 – Ely: I got a fulltime gig working on Ionic; I like the framework. I saw a job application and sent in my résumé. Two days later I got a callback and was amazed. They were hiring remotely. The team liked me and started over a year ago. 11:46 – Chuck asks a question. 11:54 – Ely answers the question. 13:20 – Chuck: Why Ionic? 13:35 – Ely: It was based off of Angular. 15:17 – Chuck: You mentioned...what has the transition been like? 15:32 – Ely talks about past programs he has worked with. He taught React in the early React days. 16:37 – Ely: I have a deep appreciation on React now. 17:09 – Chuck: I like seeing the process that people go through. 17:24 – Ely continues the conversation. Ely: It is interesting to see the learning process that people go through to arrive in the same place. 18:18 – Chuck: Redux is a good example of this. Anyway, this is near the end of our time. 18:39 – Chuck: Anything else you want to talk about? 18:48 – Ely: Yes, I have been involved in the Denver community. Check us out. Links: Ionic jQuery JavaScript React Ely Lucas’ Twitter Ely Lucas’ LinkedIn Ely Lucas Ely Lucas’ GitHub Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Code Badges Digital Ocean Picks: Charles Audible Book: Seven Proven Principles... Tony Robbins’ Book: Unshakeable Ely Fantasy Novel: Shadow of what was lost. Ionic

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Ely Lucas This week on My JavaScirpt Story, Charles speaks with Ely Lucas who is a software developer. He loves technologies and mobile technologies among other things. Let’s listen to today’s episode where Chuck and Ely talk about Ionic, Angular, React and many other topics! Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:33 – Hello! 1:40 Chuck: Give us a background on who you are, and tell us how famous you are! 2:31 – Chuck: What do you do with Ionic? 2:40 – Ely answers the question. 3:51 – Chuck: How did you get into your field? 3:55 – Ely: When I was a kid and played with video games. Later on I got into web development, like my website. Then I got into a professional-level of developing. Ely goes into detail about how his passion for developing began and developed. 6:30 – Chuck: Yeah, I’ve talked with people who have gotten into video games, then got into software development. 7:01 – Ely: Someday I would like to develop games. 7:12 – Chuck: Yes, web developing is awesome. Chuck asks Ely another question. 7:25 – Ely answers the question and mentions web controls. 9:17 – Ely: I thought Ajax was easier. 9:38 – Chuck: When I got into web development jQuery was sort of new. It made things a lot easier. 9:58 – Ely: A lot of people like to sneer at jQuery now, but back in the day it was IT. 10:28 – Chuck: How did you get into Ionic? 10:43 – Ely: I got a fulltime gig working on Ionic; I like the framework. I saw a job application and sent in my résumé. Two days later I got a callback and was amazed. They were hiring remotely. The team liked me and started over a year ago. 11:46 – Chuck asks a question. 11:54 – Ely answers the question. 13:20 – Chuck: Why Ionic? 13:35 – Ely: It was based off of Angular. 15:17 – Chuck: You mentioned...what has the transition been like? 15:32 – Ely talks about past programs he has worked with. He taught React in the early React days. 16:37 – Ely: I have a deep appreciation on React now. 17:09 – Chuck: I like seeing the process that people go through. 17:24 – Ely continues the conversation. Ely: It is interesting to see the learning process that people go through to arrive in the same place. 18:18 – Chuck: Redux is a good example of this. Anyway, this is near the end of our time. 18:39 – Chuck: Anything else you want to talk about? 18:48 – Ely: Yes, I have been involved in the Denver community. Check us out. Links: Ionic jQuery JavaScript React Ely Lucas’ Twitter Ely Lucas’ LinkedIn Ely Lucas Ely Lucas’ GitHub Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Code Badges Digital Ocean Picks: Charles Audible Book: Seven Proven Principles... Tony Robbins’ Book: Unshakeable Ely Fantasy Novel: Shadow of what was lost. Ionic

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Ely Lucas This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Ely Lucas who is a software developer. He loves technologies and mobile technologies among other things. Let’s listen to today’s episode where Chuck and Ely talk about Ionic, Angular, React and many other topics! Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:33 – Hello! 1:40 Chuck: Give us a background on who you are, and tell us how famous you are! 2:31 – Chuck: What do you do with Ionic? 2:40 – Ely answers the question. 3:51 – Chuck: How did you get into your field? 3:55 – Ely: When I was a kid and played with video games. Later on I got into web development, like my website. Then I got into a professional-level of developing. Ely goes into detail about how his passion for developing began and developed. 6:30 – Chuck: Yeah, I’ve talked with people who have gotten into video games, then got into software development. 7:01 – Ely: Someday I would like to develop games. 7:12 – Chuck: Yes, web developing is awesome. Chuck asks Ely another question. 7:25 – Ely answers the question and mentions web controls. 9:17 – Ely: I thought Ajax was easier. 9:38 – Chuck: When I got into web development jQuery was sort of new. It made things a lot easier. 9:58 – Ely: A lot of people like to sneer at jQuery now, but back in the day it was IT. 10:28 – Chuck: How did you get into Ionic? 10:43 – Ely: I got a fulltime gig working on Ionic; I like the framework. I saw a job application and sent in my résumé. Two days later I got a callback and was amazed. They were hiring remotely. The team liked me and started over a year ago. 11:46 – Chuck asks a question. 11:54 – Ely answers the question. 13:20 – Chuck: Why Ionic? 13:35 – Ely: It was based off of Angular. 15:17 – Chuck: You mentioned...what has the transition been like? 15:32 – Ely talks about past programs he has worked with. He taught React in the early React days. 16:37 – Ely: I have a deep appreciation on React now. 17:09 – Chuck: I like seeing the process that people go through. 17:24 – Ely continues the conversation. Ely: It is interesting to see the learning process that people go through to arrive in the same place. 18:18 – Chuck: Redux is a good example of this. Anyway, this is near the end of our time. 18:39 – Chuck: Anything else you want to talk about? 18:48 – Ely: Yes, I have been involved in the Denver community. Check us out. Links: Ionic jQuery JavaScript React Ely Lucas’ Twitter Ely Lucas’ LinkedIn Ely Lucas Ely Lucas’ GitHub Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Code Badges Picks: Charles Audible Book: Seven Proven Principles... Tony Robbins’ Book: Unshakeable Ely Fantasy Novel: Shadow of what was lost. Ionic

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Ely Lucas This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Ely Lucas who is a software developer. He loves technologies and mobile technologies among other things. Let’s listen to today’s episode where Chuck and Ely talk about Ionic, Angular, React and many other topics! Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:33 – Hello! 1:40 Chuck: Give us a background on who you are, and tell us how famous you are! 2:31 – Chuck: What do you do with Ionic? 2:40 – Ely answers the question. 3:51 – Chuck: How did you get into your field? 3:55 – Ely: When I was a kid and played with video games. Later on I got into web development, like my website. Then I got into a professional-level of developing. Ely goes into detail about how his passion for developing began and developed. 6:30 – Chuck: Yeah, I’ve talked with people who have gotten into video games, then got into software development. 7:01 – Ely: Someday I would like to develop games. 7:12 – Chuck: Yes, web developing is awesome. Chuck asks Ely another question. 7:25 – Ely answers the question and mentions web controls. 9:17 – Ely: I thought Ajax was easier. 9:38 – Chuck: When I got into web development jQuery was sort of new. It made things a lot easier. 9:58 – Ely: A lot of people like to sneer at jQuery now, but back in the day it was IT. 10:28 – Chuck: How did you get into Ionic? 10:43 – Ely: I got a fulltime gig working on Ionic; I like the framework. I saw a job application and sent in my résumé. Two days later I got a callback and was amazed. They were hiring remotely. The team liked me and started over a year ago. 11:46 – Chuck asks a question. 11:54 – Ely answers the question. 13:20 – Chuck: Why Ionic? 13:35 – Ely: It was based off of Angular. 15:17 – Chuck: You mentioned...what has the transition been like? 15:32 – Ely talks about past programs he has worked with. He taught React in the early React days. 16:37 – Ely: I have a deep appreciation on React now. 17:09 – Chuck: I like seeing the process that people go through. 17:24 – Ely continues the conversation. Ely: It is interesting to see the learning process that people go through to arrive in the same place. 18:18 – Chuck: Redux is a good example of this. Anyway, this is near the end of our time. 18:39 – Chuck: Anything else you want to talk about? 18:48 – Ely: Yes, I have been involved in the Denver community. Check us out. Links: Ionic jQuery JavaScript React Ely Lucas’ Twitter Ely Lucas’ LinkedIn Ely Lucas Ely Lucas’ GitHub Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Code Badges Picks: Charles Audible Book: Seven Proven Principles... Tony Robbins’ Book: Unshakeable Ely Fantasy Novel: Shadow of what was lost. Ionic

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Ely Lucas This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Ely Lucas who is a software developer. He loves technologies and mobile technologies among other things. Let’s listen to today’s episode where Chuck and Ely talk about Ionic, Angular, React and many other topics! Check it out! In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:33 – Hello! 1:40 Chuck: Give us a background on who you are, and tell us how famous you are! 2:31 – Chuck: What do you do with Ionic? 2:40 – Ely answers the question. 3:51 – Chuck: How did you get into your field? 3:55 – Ely: When I was a kid and played with video games. Later on I got into web development, like my website. Then I got into a professional-level of developing. Ely goes into detail about how his passion for developing began and developed. 6:30 – Chuck: Yeah, I’ve talked with people who have gotten into video games, then got into software development. 7:01 – Ely: Someday I would like to develop games. 7:12 – Chuck: Yes, web developing is awesome. Chuck asks Ely another question. 7:25 – Ely answers the question and mentions web controls. 9:17 – Ely: I thought Ajax was easier. 9:38 – Chuck: When I got into web development jQuery was sort of new. It made things a lot easier. 9:58 – Ely: A lot of people like to sneer at jQuery now, but back in the day it was IT. 10:28 – Chuck: How did you get into Ionic? 10:43 – Ely: I got a fulltime gig working on Ionic; I like the framework. I saw a job application and sent in my résumé. Two days later I got a callback and was amazed. They were hiring remotely. The team liked me and started over a year ago. 11:46 – Chuck asks a question. 11:54 – Ely answers the question. 13:20 – Chuck: Why Ionic? 13:35 – Ely: It was based off of Angular. 15:17 – Chuck: You mentioned...what has the transition been like? 15:32 – Ely talks about past programs he has worked with. He taught React in the early React days. 16:37 – Ely: I have a deep appreciation on React now. 17:09 – Chuck: I like seeing the process that people go through. 17:24 – Ely continues the conversation. Ely: It is interesting to see the learning process that people go through to arrive in the same place. 18:18 – Chuck: Redux is a good example of this. Anyway, this is near the end of our time. 18:39 – Chuck: Anything else you want to talk about? 18:48 – Ely: Yes, I have been involved in the Denver community. Check us out. Links: Ionic jQuery JavaScript React Ely Lucas’ Twitter Ely Lucas’ LinkedIn Ely Lucas Ely Lucas’ GitHub Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Code Badges Picks: Charles Audible Book: Seven Proven Principles... Tony Robbins’ Book: Unshakeable Ely Fantasy Novel: Shadow of what was lost. Ionic

Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Eric Berry Special Guest: Chris McCord In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Chris who created Phoenix and is an author, also. Chris McCord is a monumental developer within the community, and it’s exciting to see how LiveView is a great add-on to Phoenix, which is his baby. Finally, the panel talks about topics, such as Phoenix, LiveView, Elm, and Fire Nest. Show Topics: 1:21 – What are you famous for? 1:49 – Chuck: You created Phoenix. There is a new feature, LiveView, can you share with us what that is? 2:08 – Chris: Sure. What got me started with creating Phoenix is similar to how I got into LiveView. 3:13 – Panelist chimes in with his comments. Panel: Questions we are asking: How to give the audience a high-quality experience without a huge overhead. When I watch this video on LiveView, I was freaking out. Are you glad you did it? 5:01 – Chris: The response is really exciting and it really resonated with a lot of people. Often, I thought, working on past projects thoughts along these lines: “this was a huge waste of the day.” And I’m glad this was a good response. 6:08 – Panel: Explain what you can do right now. 6:18 – Chris dives into this topic. Chris: We wanted to offer a rich experience. A lot of things we can target out of the box, with rich UI. 8:20 – Panel: You announced this in your keynote in Washington D.C. The day before you hinted at it. And I thought: Is this even a good idea? Is this a misguided effort? If you have this first impression go, first, and see the video. You explain well your history and what you wanted with web development.  Watch this video to maybe not be skeptical. 9:47 – Panel comments. 9:50 – Chuck: I haven’t seen the video, yet. I am used to doing this with JavaScript. How do you do without JavaScript? Frontend? 10:14 – There are pixies and sparkles, and Chris is bringing these sparkles! 10:31 – Chris: It’s nice because we are piggybacking off the channel level. There is no JavaScript that you have to write today. 11:16 – Panel: Question to Chris. 11:31 – Chris answers the question. 13:13 – Panel: Who else is doing this right now? 13:15 – Chris answers question. 14:51 – Panel: The original dream. Phoenix was just a stepping step to LiveView. 15:08 – Chris: Those who are casting judgment – please watch the video. For years I have had this idea that I want to stay in the server-land... 15:55 – Panel: It’s funny that your path unfolded the way that it did. 16:28 – Chris: It blows me away. 16:38 – Panel: I bet when you wake up your pants just attach themselves to your legs! 16:57 – Chris: I work remotely, so... 17:08 – Chuck: That got weird. 17:18 – Panel: You’ve got a lot going on. When can we expect to see this? I’m sure you get that asked a lot. Phoenix 1.4 has to come first, and you are working on your book. While that’s going on you have a project called Fire Nest. Sounds like you have a couple things you’re doing right now? How do you prioritize? 18:08 – Chris answers these questions. Chris: I do work full-time on Phoenix. Phoenix 1.0 is on my own time. This is at my own discretion. Whatever helps the community is good for them and for me. That’s how I do it without completing losing it. The book has been over a year delayed. It’s always a battle it’s a love/hate relationship. It’s hard when you when you want to work on exciting things like LiveView. The future, the things we want to build for. Some weeks it’s more writing, and some weeks its coding. 20:01 – Panel talks about Chris’ team. 20:25 – Panel: I got to ask you, I am more of a Ruby developer, and this thing that you’ve developed is making me lean towards Elixir. What’s your least favorite thing about Phoenix? 20:56 – Chris: Never have been asked this before. 21:06 – Chris: The thing that bothers me the most is maybe configuration? Lots of folks we did a lot of the configurations. I guess that has been a recent thing that’s come up. Even though, personally, I don’t have a lot of issues with it. 22:38 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 23:13 – It’s hard to point out ugly features of your own baby. 23:26 – Panel: You’ve talked about your rel. with DockYard, Inc. What’s that responsibility like? 23:44 – Chris: I am a cheerleader for the company. I do work in a consulting role. This is good because I am solving real-world problems. I’d loose touch with that if I didn’t consult. The other time I try to help the team if needed. It’s a good mix for me. Writing Elixir code and not just framework code. 25:02 – Panel: Umbrella project. Your rel. with your clients – when you would suggest an umbrella project or not? 25:26 – Chris: It depends. It’s not so much code structure it’s mostly from an operational standpoint and not from a code structure standpoint. 26:51 – Chuck: Give us a short history of Phoenix. How does LiveView tie into your vision with Phoenix? 27:13 – Chris gives us his thoughts. Chris: In 2013 – I fell in love with Ruby. That’s to show that it wasn’t on my radar to do anything else professionally. Never thought I would develop something like Phoenix. My wife noticed that I came home unhappy when I worked with Ruby at some point. She noticed a difference. Chris continues to share the Genesis of Phoenix. It’s been a crazy ride. 32:32 – Chuck: So it was mostly about the scaling. I’ve played socket IO, do some harm, then come back. Action cables are a little less of a pain. Chuck continues his thoughts and asks a question. 33:10 – Chris answers Chuck’s question. 35:00 – Chuck. 35:14 – Chris. It’s interesting because you could have used a LiveView layer in the mid-2000s and nothing in town would have been able to compete. 35:56 – Panel: One great thing about Rails is the integration. There is a path to it. Is there anything like that for the docket to build that for Phoenix? There is webpacker for Rails but is there going to be that for Phoenix. 36:35 – Chris: No is the simple answer. It just works the way you would expect. 37:46 – Chuck: The other one is partial JS. IT’s interesting because I go back and forth, too. I like the approach with JavaScript. I play with everything. I’ve been playing with an app recently and figured out how to do it in Brunch, because that’s what’s there. Why solve it the Elixir way? As a backend developer I may not want to mess with it. 38:51 – Panel: Another question about LiveView. From the video, from what I understand, is that the data that’s pulled from reads and rights? 39:26 – Chris: I hope this doesn’t sounds like a cop out answer. My answer is that you will handle any system you are building it in Elixir. If you want to have durable state you would use existing tools that you have already. 40:17 – Panel: The facilities you built around the LiveView, is it valuable for someone to... 40:42 – Chris answers the question. 41:22 – Panel: Another question on how LiveView works. Is that dependent on there being a JavaScript connection? 41:49 – Chris: Answer to that is if you are... 42:50 – Chuck. 42:53 – Chris. 43:29 – Panel: How is Fire Nest coming along? 43:38 – Chris: I won’t say it’s steady progress, but it’s coming along. We are working on it. 44:53 – Panel: That was exactly what I wanted to hear. 45:00 – Advertisement. 45: 42 – Panel: The new developments are happening outside of the community of Phoenix, right? 46:07 – Chris: People think Phoenix is “heavy,” but it really isn’t. It’s really I want 80% and the teams and communities can build on top of that. Not in core. Not everyone needs X feature. No reason to shove it in core. It’s not about having it being “lighter.” I am developing resisting the urge to do it because someone says so. 47:40 – Panel: Phoenix for me feels like it’s baked. There really isn’t anything that is lacking. It’s extensible. It’s done. That’s exciting. These add-ons like LiveView are a great plugin. 48:23 – Chuck: How do people keep in touch with what you are doing and your projects? 48:51 – Panel: Anyone on the team working with Elm? 49:00 – Chris answers this question. Elm has been on my radar, but haven’t gotten into it, yet. Not in the foreseeable future either. 50:20 – Chuck: Picks! Links: Chris McCord’s Website Chris McCord’s Twitter Chris McCord’s GitHub Chris McCord’s YouTube Chris McCord’s LinkedIn Chris McCord’s Medium Chris McCord’s DockYard Posts Chris McCord’s Video Chris McCord’s Keynote Talk Elm GitHub – Morphdom GitHub – Drab Fire Nest Article on LiveView Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Charles Geeking-out about the space stuff. Self-fastening pants – Velcro Book: Soft Cover IO Docking station Mark The Talk Fire Nest Project Josh Website: SmoothTerminal.com Eric Earthrise – Apollo 8 – 1968 picture Earthrise Wikipedia Podcast – American Life Chris Phoenix 1.4 Book Phoenix Programming Book

Panel: Charles Max Wood Mark Ericksen Josh Adams Eric Berry Special Guest: Chris McCord In this episode of Elixir Mix, the panel talks to Chris who created Phoenix and is an author, also. Chris McCord is a monumental developer within the community, and it’s exciting to see how LiveView is a great add-on to Phoenix, which is his baby. Finally, the panel talks about topics, such as Phoenix, LiveView, Elm, and Fire Nest. Show Topics: 1:21 – What are you famous for? 1:49 – Chuck: You created Phoenix. There is a new feature, LiveView, can you share with us what that is? 2:08 – Chris: Sure. What got me started with creating Phoenix is similar to how I got into LiveView. 3:13 – Panelist chimes in with his comments. Panel: Questions we are asking: How to give the audience a high-quality experience without a huge overhead. When I watch this video on LiveView, I was freaking out. Are you glad you did it? 5:01 – Chris: The response is really exciting and it really resonated with a lot of people. Often, I thought, working on past projects thoughts along these lines: “this was a huge waste of the day.” And I’m glad this was a good response. 6:08 – Panel: Explain what you can do right now. 6:18 – Chris dives into this topic. Chris: We wanted to offer a rich experience. A lot of things we can target out of the box, with rich UI. 8:20 – Panel: You announced this in your keynote in Washington D.C. The day before you hinted at it. And I thought: Is this even a good idea? Is this a misguided effort? If you have this first impression go, first, and see the video. You explain well your history and what you wanted with web development.  Watch this video to maybe not be skeptical. 9:47 – Panel comments. 9:50 – Chuck: I haven’t seen the video, yet. I am used to doing this with JavaScript. How do you do without JavaScript? Frontend? 10:14 – There are pixies and sparkles, and Chris is bringing these sparkles! 10:31 – Chris: It’s nice because we are piggybacking off the channel level. There is no JavaScript that you have to write today. 11:16 – Panel: Question to Chris. 11:31 – Chris answers the question. 13:13 – Panel: Who else is doing this right now? 13:15 – Chris answers question. 14:51 – Panel: The original dream. Phoenix was just a stepping step to LiveView. 15:08 – Chris: Those who are casting judgment – please watch the video. For years I have had this idea that I want to stay in the server-land... 15:55 – Panel: It’s funny that your path unfolded the way that it did. 16:28 – Chris: It blows me away. 16:38 – Panel: I bet when you wake up your pants just attach themselves to your legs! 16:57 – Chris: I work remotely, so... 17:08 – Chuck: That got weird. 17:18 – Panel: You’ve got a lot going on. When can we expect to see this? I’m sure you get that asked a lot. Phoenix 1.4 has to come first, and you are working on your book. While that’s going on you have a project called Fire Nest. Sounds like you have a couple things you’re doing right now? How do you prioritize? 18:08 – Chris answers these questions. Chris: I do work full-time on Phoenix. Phoenix 1.0 is on my own time. This is at my own discretion. Whatever helps the community is good for them and for me. That’s how I do it without completing losing it. The book has been over a year delayed. It’s always a battle it’s a love/hate relationship. It’s hard when you when you want to work on exciting things like LiveView. The future, the things we want to build for. Some weeks it’s more writing, and some weeks its coding. 20:01 – Panel talks about Chris’ team. 20:25 – Panel: I got to ask you, I am more of a Ruby developer, and this thing that you’ve developed is making me lean towards Elixir. What’s your least favorite thing about Phoenix? 20:56 – Chris: Never have been asked this before. 21:06 – Chris: The thing that bothers me the most is maybe configuration? Lots of folks we did a lot of the configurations. I guess that has been a recent thing that’s come up. Even though, personally, I don’t have a lot of issues with it. 22:38 – Advertisement – Digital Ocean 23:13 – It’s hard to point out ugly features of your own baby. 23:26 – Panel: You’ve talked about your rel. with DockYard, Inc. What’s that responsibility like? 23:44 – Chris: I am a cheerleader for the company. I do work in a consulting role. This is good because I am solving real-world problems. I’d loose touch with that if I didn’t consult. The other time I try to help the team if needed. It’s a good mix for me. Writing Elixir code and not just framework code. 25:02 – Panel: Umbrella project. Your rel. with your clients – when you would suggest an umbrella project or not? 25:26 – Chris: It depends. It’s not so much code structure it’s mostly from an operational standpoint and not from a code structure standpoint. 26:51 – Chuck: Give us a short history of Phoenix. How does LiveView tie into your vision with Phoenix? 27:13 – Chris gives us his thoughts. Chris: In 2013 – I fell in love with Ruby. That’s to show that it wasn’t on my radar to do anything else professionally. Never thought I would develop something like Phoenix. My wife noticed that I came home unhappy when I worked with Ruby at some point. She noticed a difference. Chris continues to share the Genesis of Phoenix. It’s been a crazy ride. 32:32 – Chuck: So it was mostly about the scaling. I’ve played socket IO, do some harm, then come back. Action cables are a little less of a pain. Chuck continues his thoughts and asks a question. 33:10 – Chris answers Chuck’s question. 35:00 – Chuck. 35:14 – Chris. It’s interesting because you could have used a LiveView layer in the mid-2000s and nothing in town would have been able to compete. 35:56 – Panel: One great thing about Rails is the integration. There is a path to it. Is there anything like that for the docket to build that for Phoenix? There is webpacker for Rails but is there going to be that for Phoenix. 36:35 – Chris: No is the simple answer. It just works the way you would expect. 37:46 – Chuck: The other one is partial JS. IT’s interesting because I go back and forth, too. I like the approach with JavaScript. I play with everything. I’ve been playing with an app recently and figured out how to do it in Brunch, because that’s what’s there. Why solve it the Elixir way? As a backend developer I may not want to mess with it. 38:51 – Panel: Another question about LiveView. From the video, from what I understand, is that the data that’s pulled from reads and rights? 39:26 – Chris: I hope this doesn’t sounds like a cop out answer. My answer is that you will handle any system you are building it in Elixir. If you want to have durable state you would use existing tools that you have already. 40:17 – Panel: The facilities you built around the LiveView, is it valuable for someone to... 40:42 – Chris answers the question. 41:22 – Panel: Another question on how LiveView works. Is that dependent on there being a JavaScript connection? 41:49 – Chris: Answer to that is if you are... 42:50 – Chuck. 42:53 – Chris. 43:29 – Panel: How is Fire Nest coming along? 43:38 – Chris: I won’t say it’s steady progress, but it’s coming along. We are working on it. 44:53 – Panel: That was exactly what I wanted to hear. 45:00 – Advertisement. 45: 42 – Panel: The new developments are happening outside of the community of Phoenix, right? 46:07 – Chris: People think Phoenix is “heavy,” but it really isn’t. It’s really I want 80% and the teams and communities can build on top of that. Not in core. Not everyone needs X feature. No reason to shove it in core. It’s not about having it being “lighter.” I am developing resisting the urge to do it because someone says so. 47:40 – Panel: Phoenix for me feels like it’s baked. There really isn’t anything that is lacking. It’s extensible. It’s done. That’s exciting. These add-ons like LiveView are a great plugin. 48:23 – Chuck: How do people keep in touch with what you are doing and your projects? 48:51 – Panel: Anyone on the team working with Elm? 49:00 – Chris answers this question. Elm has been on my radar, but haven’t gotten into it, yet. Not in the foreseeable future either. 50:20 – Chuck: Picks! Links: Chris McCord’s Website Chris McCord’s Twitter Chris McCord’s GitHub Chris McCord’s YouTube Chris McCord’s LinkedIn Chris McCord’s Medium Chris McCord’s DockYard Posts Chris McCord’s Video Chris McCord’s Keynote Talk Elm GitHub – Morphdom GitHub – Drab Fire Nest Article on LiveView Sponsors: Get a Coder Job Digital Ocean Code Badges Cache Fly Picks: Charles Geeking-out about the space stuff. Self-fastening pants – Velcro Book: Soft Cover IO Docking station Mark The Talk Fire Nest Project Josh Website: SmoothTerminal.com Eric Earthrise – Apollo 8 – 1968 picture Earthrise Wikipedia Podcast – American Life Chris Phoenix 1.4 Book Phoenix Programming Book