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We're tackling the big topic of women in leadership and authority structures in the church! This week Jeff and Tyler turn to more of the “tricky passages” in the New Testament - Can women lead men? Should women remain silent? Who can be elders? and more! We love questions! Any questions you have about this topic, or any bible-related question Email thekindfaith@gmail.com SHOW NOTES: [00:12] Introduction [03:16] 1 Corinthians 14:33-37. Should Women really remain silent? [21:00] 1 Timothy 2 - can women have ‘authority'? MORE DETAIL: [00:12] Introduction [03:16] 1 Corinthians 14:33-37. How do we deal with this passage and not just write it off? It seems that many churches come up with ways around this passage without taking it head on. This passage seems an “all or nothing” sort of text so what can we make of it? Why do some translations split verse 33 differently? Is, “As in all the churches..” a reference to the paragraph before? or is it a heading for the women section in 34? We know of many instances where Paul works with women, and just 3 chapters before this in chapter 11 Paul assumes women will be praying and prophesying in the church. Paul can't mean that women can never speak in front of a man. The argument: Paul is quoting back to the Corinthians their bad theology in verses 34-35, to then correct them curtly in verse 36. They have written to Paul their bad theology and Paul is quickly addressing it and then saying “Not! Do you think you can just created ‘Word of God'?” [21:00] 1 Timothy 2:11-15. “I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority…” ? the only command structure in the entire paragraph is the imperative: “Let the women learn” ‘submissive and quiet' is no problem, both are virtues of a good student (“quiet” is what Paul prays for all of us up in 1 Timothy 2:2. Authority The only time this particular word shows up in the New Testament. There is a much more normal word for authority - “exousia”; this word - “authentein” has a more domineering, controlling, negative “authority”. Paul is not talking about real authority in this passage. There seems to be something going on in Ephesus, perhaps linked to the Artemis cult which was a very female dominated religion. verse 13-15 corrects some theology and centers Paul's argument around the Artemis cult centered in Ephesus. What does it mean that women can be “saved” through childbearing? What?! [36:35] 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 1-2. “The husband of one wife”… must an elder/ overseer be male? The sentence in Greek reads, An overseer must be a “One woman man.” The grammar does technically mean a “husband of one wife.” But the emphasis is on the “oneness” rather than the “maleness.” There is no word for a gender neutral statement like, “a person with one spouse.” They would use the male gendered words to refer to a mixed group. The guys then talk about how both Timothy and Titus uses the word “presbyter” (elder) to refer to both men and women, but it doesn't always come through in our translations!
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Join Pastor Dan, Pastor Jordan and Moderator Dana Hall as they discuss a variety of Christmas themed questions submitted by YOU, the podcast listeners! Questions include: "Who were the Magi?" "Why did they give the three gifts of Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh?" "Why December 25?" "What is Advent and why is it important?" "What do the different colors of candles represent?" "Why is there so little mentioned about Mary and Joseph in the New Testament?" "Can you offer tips for slowing down and focusing on the real meaning of Christmas?" Thanks for listening and have a Merry Christmas!!
Messiah Yeshua said, “Strive to enter through the narrow gate…” (Luke 13:24) Does salvation and reward require effort? What is that effort? To where does the narrow gate lead? What does the saying mean, “Our righteousness is as filthy rags”? In Acts 16:30 someone asked, “What do I have to do to be saved?” How are we saved? Do we ‘need’ the writings of Paul, of Peter, or the other writers of the New Testament? Can a person lead another to the narrow path that leads to the Kingdom of Elohim without those writings? What should be the correct order of reading and better understanding the books of the New Testament? In Matthew 19:16-22 we see Yeshua telling a man to sell what they own and follow Him, but he went away sad because he had great possessions…what are you attached to that would keep you from wholly following the Messiah? Possessions? Family? Friends? Job? Career? What is it you love more than Him? Rabbi Steve Berkson continues to clarify the relationship between salvation, faith/belief and works. Related Teachings can be found here, http://mtoi.org/learn_with_us/learn_with_us.shtml The Pursuit of Righteousness The Search for the Doctrine of Grace Infocus: The Fullness of the Intent Follow the Pattern Exactly Baptism of Fire Don't miss out on new teachings every week. You are welcome to post your comments and please click on the "LIKE" button if this teaching has been a blessing to you. For more information about MTOI (Messianic Torah Observant Israel), visit our website at http://www.mtoi.org and our Official Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/mtoiworldwide.
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2009-07-12-1030 Pastor Loran Livingston is the speaker this morning July 12th, 2009 in the 10:30 service. Scripture: Hebrews 8:1-6, 10, 12-13; II Corinthians 1:20 Topic: : Scripture Notes:- We are in a better day under a better covenant- We are not called to observe Jewish festivals- Everything represented by the Passover, we have in Jesus- Pentecost, law thru Moses; grace thru Jesus, empowered by Holy Spirit- Old Testament points to Jesus, but Jesus is the truth; not hidden in New Testament- Can learn in Old Testament: creation, sin, election, mercy of God...- In Ark of the Covenant: Aaron's rod, pot of manna, copy of the law- Holy Spirit in me replaces ten commandments- I’m made righteous thru Jesus Christ- Expiration dates; It is Finished- Telephone operator, automobile crank, muskets, multi-vitamin... Jesus is all I need- Salvation: deliverance, soundness, safety, preservation, healing- He is not far from anyone, will not reject who comes to Him
2009-07-12-0830 Pastor Loran Livingston is the speaker this morning July 12th, 2009 in the 8:30 service. Scripture: Hebrews 8:1-6, 10, 12-13; II Corinthians 1:20 Topic: : Scripture Notes:- We are in a better day under a better covenant- We are not called to observe Jewish festivals- Everything represented by the Passover, we have in Jesus- Pentecost, law thru Moses; grace thru Jesus, empowered by Holy Spirit- Old Testament points to Jesus, but Jesus is the truth; not hidden in New Testament- Can learn in Old Testament: creation, sin, election, mercy of God...- In Ark of the Covenant: Aaron's rod, pot of manna, copy of the law- Holy Spirit in me replaces ten commandments- I’m made righteous thru Jesus Christ- Expiration dates; It is Finished- Telephone operator, automobile crank, muskets, multi-vitamin... Jesus is all I need- Salvation: deliverance, soundness, safety, preservation, healing- He is not far from anyone, will not reject who comes to Him