Cigars and Conversations

Strap yourself in because this episode is all over the place. Derek goes in depth about his newest hobby, bullwhips! From there, the guys get in their time machine and go back to the early 1900s to discuss Ed "Strangler" Lewis, Billy Sandow, and Joseph "Toots" Mondt; The Gold Dust Trio!

In Episode 50, Derek and Jay are back discussing the sacred topic of protecting the business! From "whistleblower" Jim Wilson on the Morton Downey Jr. Show to Bob Roop and his "Plan B," this episode has Derek's take and asks the important question: Was Jim Wilson right?

The boys are back with a real conversation about the Florida territory and wrestling legend Eddie Graham. No cats are involved in this episode! Download Episode Here

Derek is on vacation so Jay and Kyle attempt to interview Derek’s cat about Eddie Graham and the Florida territory. This won’t go well. Download here

In this episode, Derek and Jay talk about what makes for good and bad finishing moves. In a C&C exclusive, Derek discusses his relationship with Dave Meltzer’s mother! All this and much more on episode 47! Download Here

Derek and Jay are back with season 4! This time out, Derek shares a bounty of wrestling relics he was gifted and then answers some listener questions. Lots of rambling and non-sequitur discussions abound! Download Here

Derek and Jay sit down and talk wrestling with former AWA, Mid-South,WWF and St. Louis wrestler Tom Stone! A lot of great stories and fun! Download here

Derek and Jay discuss how gimmicks have been recycled and used over the years. Derek walks us through his latest wrestling controversy and Jay craps on Bullet Club t-shirts. All this and much more on episode 44! Download Here

What starts out as a discussion about wrestling debuts quickly devolves into Derek talking about how he ended up on Sports Illustrated’s website, his WWE debut, first run-in and his first match. Lots of stories abound with a little chat about a whole lot of nonsense! DOWNLOAD HERE

It only took 42 episodes for Derek and Jay to finally talk about Johnny Legend and his incredibly strange wrestling programs! This time out, the guys do a watch along to Rock n Roll Wrestling: Music Television from 1987. DOWNLOAD HERE

This time out, Derek and Jay salute the wrestlers who have recently died. Derek discusses his love of Beverly Hills 90210 and Darkman. The guys also address some corrections that need to be made from the things Derek has said. Kyle also has a major revelation about Derek’s name! DOWNLOAD HERE

This time out, Derek and Jay talk about the great wrestling announcers from across the country. Also, Derek shares his opinion and insights into his own announcing career and what he thinks works and doesn’t. DOWNLOAD HERE

This time out, the guys talk about when things get real inside and outside the ring. Derek explains why these moments are romanticized but usually end up awkward and uncomfortable. DOWNLOAD HERE

The guys are back with the conclusion of their discussion about enhancement talent. DOWNLOAD HERE

On this episode, Derek and Jay discuss “ enhancement talent “ aka jobbers, the unsung and often maligned heroes of television wrestling. We find out where Kyle has been. And then ask the age old question… pike or pipe? All this and much more in episode 38! DOWNLOAD HERE

Derek and Jay talk about the history of the NWA tag team titles. From inception to it’s eventual demise and then some… Derek talks cats, the Duseks, and what purpose the belts served while Jay tries coping with an urban coyote. All this and much more!   CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE... Read More

This time out, the guys talk about a rarely discussed television event shown on TBS featuring “fan chosen” matches. Besides the show, the guys get into submission moves, Kyle’s engagement, Jay hiding in the woods and Derek explains why Ric Flair’s figure four leglock is all wrong! All this and much, much more! CLICK HERE... Read More

On this episode, Jay grills Derek about working with legends in the business. Derek shares some great stories involving the Rock n Roll Express, Greg Valentine and George Steel’s colostomy bag! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

We’re back with season 3! This time out, the guys watch an episode of Mid South Wrestling which includes a breakdancing Eric Watts, Boyd Pierce in a crazy sport coat, Ted Dibiase in a tuxedo and a Dirty White Boys video package! It’s a fun watch along on the network! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND... Read More

This time out, Derek and Jay talk about famous wrestling ribs, pranks and jokes from the past. Lots of bodily fluids are discussed as well as whether it is OK to eat an Alpaca? All this and much more! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

On this episode, Derek answers your questions and tells some funny stories about how he broke into the business. Also, the guys are joined by special guest Andy Gorzalski as he and Jay discuss what goes into putting on a wrestling show inside a public library! All this and much more! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD... Read More

On this episode, Jay and Derek talk about a slew of weird and wild gimmick matches. From the scaffold match to the coal miner’s glove, the guys have some fun talking their way through the who, why and WTF is actually happening in these matches. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

This time out, the guys discuss all the big events that happened in 1984. The Parade of Champions, the start of the Rock & Wrestling connection and the return of “Black Saturday.” Also, the emotional breakdown of Derek when he finds out porn star Jerry Butler is dead! All this and much more! CLICK HERE... Read More

It’s movie time as Derek and Jay discuss the Verne Gagne vanity project The Wrestler (1974) and the often forgotten women wrestling flick All the Marbles!   CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

In this episode the guys discuss the ambitious and ridiculous AWA Team Challenge Series. From the Turkey on a pole, Behind the Eight Ball and Football Clash matches to the “Pink Room of Doom,” it’s all here! An episode that truly left Kyle speechless! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

You asked for it! Well, somebody did. This time Derek and Jay talk about Paul Boesch, board games and why Houston wasn’t a territory. All this and much more! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

On this episode, Jay tries to get Derek to discuss why certain tropes exist in wrestling. From green mist to hard heads, the guys take a look at certain stereotypes and imagery that is associated with pro wrestling. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

A holiday treat as Derek and Jay watch the WCCW event Christmas Star Wars 1985 in it’s entirety. Watch along on YouTube and pretend you’re there with the guys sipping hot cocoa and watching Derek drool over Missy Hyatt in a bikini! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

In this episode, Derek and Jay discuss some of the lesser known or discussed wrestling related tragedies that have occurred over the years. Plane crashes, car wrecks, bar fights, gun fire, naked Gary Hart and much more!   CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

On this episode, Derek and Jay discuss a true folk legend in the world of professional wrestling. This episode tells the story of a career that burned fast and hard. From biker gangs to acid trips during a cage match, Chris Colt is an enigma that deserves to be recognized. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND... Read More

In this episode, the guys have an open-ended discussion about wrestling managers. Their purpose, their personas and their pasts. Derek tells us how today’s managers on the indy scene are getting it wrong. And they both wax nostalgic about the time Jay got to manage Derek in Chicago. Also, “Mailbag” is back by popular demand!... Read More

This time around Derek and Jay discuss the little people of the sport and how they have been booked on shows and in the territories. Also, the guys debut the new segment “Mailbag.” And Jay discusses his problem with rats (not that kind).   CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

In this episode, Derek answers your questions and reflects on Bobby “The Brain” Heenan. Jay drops a few names and both guys agree most Indy guys can’t pull off a religious gimmick. All this and much more on Episode 21!   CLICK HERE TO LISTEN AND DOWNLOAD THE EPISODE

This time Derek and Jay discuss the bloody yet sometimes boring cage match. Along with historical data, the guys chat about their favorite matches, Derek’s psychology to the match and what exactly is the Mandela Effect. All this and much more! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

Derek and Jay spend an hour discussing a series of inanimate objects better known as historical wrestling venues across the United States. From Portland to New York, the guys take a look at what made these arenas and auditoriums special in the eyes of many wrestling fans. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE... Read More

On episode 18, Derek and Jay discuss the history of bears in the world of professional wrestling. The good, the bad and the bizarre are covered as they talk about Terrible Ted, Victor and a host of other bruins that fought in the squared circle. The guys also ask the age old question…. The monkey... Read More

Derek and Jay go month-by-month discussing some of the major events that would shape the future of the business. From Brody in Japan to Patterson “supposedly” in South America, the guys talk about it all! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE PODCAST  

This week, Derek and Jay “Do it to it” and continue their discussion about SuperClash 3. Listen as they discuss Ron Garvin’s nipples, the “jamming” lingerie battle royale and at least 3 matches that end without a pinfall. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

This week, Derek and Jay begin their discussion about one of the worst PPVs in wrestling history, SuperClash III. They discuss the preliminary bouts, the hostile crowd, meeting Larry Nelson at Cauliflower Alley and the cost of a Billy Dee Williams autograph. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

In this week’s episode, Derek and Jay discuss all the behind -the-scenes turmoil that led up to one of wrestling’s worst Pay-Per-Views. Find out who was involved and how it all came crashing down around them as they attempted to take out Vince and the WWF! CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

In this week’s episode, Derek and Jay discuss what many consider the last great feud in Memphis wrestling. The guys dissect the build up and all the parties involved. From vasectomies to Bruce Willis’ hair no stone is left un-turned in this week’s show about Jerry Lawler and Austin Idol’s infamous hair vs. hair cage... Read More

This week Derek and Jay cover listener questions. From the Ribera jacket to the coal miner’s glove match, Derek gives his insights in a wide range of topics and questions culled from the audience. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

In this week’s mega-episode Derek and Jay discuss the history of the AWA Heavyweight Championship. From it’s shadowy inception to it’s unceremonious end, Derek explains why sometimes its the best (or worst) idea to keep the title in the family. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

Derek and Jay continue their talk about Starcade ’85 The Gathering with more western boots, blood and championship matches.   CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

This week Derek & Jay talk about the first half of the Starcade ’85 The Gathering show. They break down the venues, the matches, the participants and a lot of talk about the “western” style cowboy boots. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

Derek & Jay discuss everything from AWA Remco figures to classic VHS releases of the 80’s as well as other fun, off-the-wall wrestling memorabilia released in the early days of merchandising. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

Derek & Jay discuss St. Louis wrestling, Sam Muchnick, Wrestling at the Chase and all the stars that passed through the area. ​ CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

This week Derek answers some listener questions from the mail. And we discuss Joe Pedicino, guilty pleasures, favorite books, Mil Mascaras and much, much more!   CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

As promised in Episode 4, Derek and Jay discuss infamous promoter Jim Barnett’s rise through the ranks of wrestling  with some fun anecdotes and stories to help paint a picture of who Jim Barnett was behind the scenes. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

Derek &  Jay discuss the behind the scenes power struggle in Georgia in the 1970s between Ann Gunkel and the members of GCW and the NWA. Otherwise know as the “Original Battle of Atlanta”. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE EPISODE

DSH, Esq. & Jay discuss Georgia Championship Wrestling in 1983, including a closer look at the infamous “Last Battle of Atlanta”, which was recently released on WWE Network. CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD AND LISTEN TO THE PODCAST