The Trial of Lucy Letby

We are now at the end of the first week of the Thirlwall Inquiry set up to establish how Lucy Letby was able to get away with murdering babies on an NHS hospital ward for so long.   Already damaging testimony has been delivered about how multiple attempts to raise the alarm went unheeded, and delays in calling in the police cost babies' lives. Why were managers slow to act? What action could or should the hospital have taken? And what urgently needs to change within our healthcare system to stop something similar ever happening again?   Join Caroline and Liz as they bring you the very latest.  Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial') Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Chelsey Moore Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Following the trial and conviction of neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, The Thirlwall Inquiry has been set up to examine the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital that surrounded the murder and attempted murder of multiple babies. It began today, Tuesday 10th September 2024, at Liverpool Town Hall. In this episode Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull discuss the very first day of the hearing as the opening statements by chair, Lady Justice Thirlwall and counsel to the Inquiry, Rachel Langdale KC, are delivered to an emotionally charged chamber. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial') Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Buddy Peace Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As it's revealed Lucy Letby has changed her legal team this special episode takes a look at what is causing rampant speculation amongst both experts and the general public that Lucy Letby's conviction could have been ‘unsafe'. We speak to Professor Jane Hutton, who signed a letter calling for an extension to the scope of the Inquiry as she questions the statistical evidence that was provided in court. Liz and Caroline then go onto discuss Letby's legal position with Tim Owen, KC, a barrister with a wealth of experience in returning cases to appeal. He offers a frank and precise analysis of the very limited options left open to the former nurse and her legal team. We then look ahead to the Inquiry—which commences on Tuesday 10th September—and the three key findings it will aim to establish. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk WhatsApp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial') Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Guests: Professor Jane Hutton and Tim Owen, KC Producer: Caroline Cheetham Editor: Buddy Peace Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the heartwrenching words of Baby K's mum who spoke in court about how Lucy Letby's actions had devastated her family's life. They also detail the remarks of Mr Justice Goss, as he sentenced Lucy Letby to another whole life term, and they discuss the reasons she tried and failed to appeal her convictions. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the guilty verdict. It took the jury in Manchester just over three hours to decide that Lucy Letby did try to murder a tiny premature baby known only as Baby K. They believed the doctor who said he caught Lucy Letby virtually red-handed as the baby started to collapse after her breathing tube was dislodged. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the final words to the jury before they are sent out to consider their verdict. They have been told it's up to them which evidence is the most important, and which witnesses they choose to believe. Lucy Letby's guilt or innocence in this case, is in their hands.  Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the evidence of Lucy Letby in her own words and detail what she told the jury over two days in the witness box. She insisted she does not remember the alleged attack on Baby K, or accept that what Dr Ravi Jayaram says he saw actually happened. She also denied ‘looking for grief' when she searched for the names of parents of babies she killed or harmed on Facebook years after they died.  Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz have seen, for the first time, the videos of Lucy Letby facing questions from detectives. In three separate video clips shown to the jury, Lucy Letby denied dislodging Baby K's breathing tube and she said she could not remember Baby K collapsing. She also told officers the unit could not cope with the number of babies and Baby K was so premature she would have needed one to one care. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence of Dr Ravi Jayaram who told the jury he caught Lucy Letby “virtually red handed” as she allegedly attempted to kill Baby K. He says he walked into Nursery 1 to find the baby collapsing, but the alarms on the ventilator were not sounding and Lucy Letby was standing nearby doing nothing. He said today that he didn't call the police because he feared retribution from hospital managers. The jury have already been told that Dr Jayaram is the key witness in the case and their verdict will ultimately depend on whether they believe him or not. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz hear the Mum's Story. That's Baby K's mum who told the jury not just about the short four-day life of her daughter, but also of her excitement when she first found out she was pregnant. She also told the court how she and her husband took pictures with their daughter – just half an hour after nurse Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill her. Lucy Letby denies the charge and her defence barrister has already told the court Baby K was so premature that she was clinically fragile. Both the prosecution and the defence barristers say the evidence of the consultant who claims he caught Lucy Letby “virtually red handed” will be the key to the case. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz are back at Manchester Crown Court as neo-natal nurse Lucy Letby returns to the dock. This time she is facing one charge – the attempted murder of a very premature baby girl, known as Baby K. Today, as the trial got underway, the jury were told she was caught “virtually red handed” by a consultant as she tried to dislodge the breathing tube of Baby K in an attempt to kill her. She then allegedly dislodged the tube twice more to cover her tracks.  The jury were told Lucy Letby is a convicted baby killer and her previous convictions were relevant to the charge she now faces. She denies the charge and her defence barrister told the court Baby K was so premature that she was clinically fragile. Both the prosecution and the defence barristers told the jury they ultimately had to decide if they believed the consultant who claims he caught her in the act. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham. In this podcast, they bring you far more detail about what the jury heard, examine key moments of the trial, and conduct exclusive interviews with investigative detectives, victims, and experts. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Leave a comment on Spotify or even send us a voice note on WhatsApp - +447796657512 (start your message with 'Trial') A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode, Caroline and Liz sign off for the time being. So they're handing over to you and will try to answer some of the questions you've been asking throughout the trial. Many of these questions couldn't be addressed earlier due to legal restrictions, and they still can't answer everything, but they'll shed some light on some of the things you've wanted to know. They also bring up an update from the steps of Manchester Crown Court about a development in the trial against Lucy Letby.Thanks for listening and we'll be back with any updates.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz chat to eminent barrister Mary Prior KC, who explains just how defendants appeal their convictions following the announcement that Lucy Letby plans to contest the jury's verdicts in her case.We also have an exclusive interview with the prosecution's main expert witness Dr Dewi Evans, who tells us why he fears Lucy Letby may have killed or harmed more babies in her care.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring together people from the public gallery who followed this trial for a chat about how this case has affected them.And we'll share some of last night's candlelit vigil for the babies at Chester Cathedral.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz chat to expert legal commentator, Joshua Rozenberg KC, who explains just why Lady Justice Thirlwall is the perfect judge to chair the public inquiry into Lucy Letby's crimes, and Tamlin Bolton, a senior lawyer with Switalskis Solicitors, who is representing several of the victims' families.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Caroline and Liz speak to Dr. Fiona MacRae, an anaesthetist at the Countess of Chester Hospital for over 25 years including the time that Lucy Letby was on the neonatal unit. Dr. MacRae gives us a unique insight into the hospital culture that, she says, could have facilitated an environment that allowed Lucy Letby to get away with murder for as long as she did.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode the parents of a premature baby boy cared for by Lucy Letby tell Liz of their fear that he may have been harmed by her. They also recall she said he was her “favourite” and more than once she removed the tubes helping him to breath to take pictures of him.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Caroline and Liz hear from the parents of twin boys, Baby L and Baby M. While today they are happy healthy seven year olds, the parents will always be haunted by the fact that Lucy Letby very nearly killed their babies.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz speak to Dr John Gibbs, one of the consultants who repeatedly tried to blow the whistle on Lucy Letby. He speaks of his regret that hospital managers didn't listen or go to police sooner.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Lucy Letby abused the trust not only of the babies and their parents, but also of her nursing colleagues. In this episode Caroline and Liz chat to the deputy senior investigating officer, DCI Nicola Evans, about how she was able to manipulate everyone around her to get away with murder for so long.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Until she entered the witness box back at the start of May, there were few who really knew what Lucy Letby was like. But one person knew better than most. Detective Sergeant Danielle Stonier spent over 20 hours interviewing Lucy Letby when she was arrested. In this exclusive interview with the detective, Caroline and Liz ask what it was like to question one of the worst murderers in modern times.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrialA Mail Metro media Production Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Lucy Letby was killing in plain sight. But during the trial we heard little about how she was caught. Caroline and Liz sit down with Detective Superintendent Paul Hughes to talk to him about how this case landed on his desk.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you details of what happened in court when Lucy Letby was handed a whole life order.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Caroline and Liz explore who exactly is Lucy Letby? And examine how this ordinary ‘girl next door' went on to become the worst serial child killer in modern times.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today nurse Lucy Letby has been found guilty of murdering and attempting to murder babies in her care. Caroline and Liz go over the verdicts and give you all the details from the steps of Manchester Crown Court.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Tristan Kirk, the courts correspondent for the Evening Standard in London.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

As we continue to wait for the jury to reach their verdicts, Caroline and Liz have pulled together more of the most memorable moments from their guest interviews.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz have put together some of the most memorable moments of their guest interviews.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Mike Dodd, a former reporter and long-time legal advisor for the Press Association. "If the public don't know what's going on in the courts, they've got no idea whether justice is actually being administered or whether the system is working." Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, while we all wait for the jury verdict, Caroline and Liz speak with Polly Rippon – a former court reporter with 20 years' experience. In this interview, we hear why judges are eager to see more reporters in their courtrooms. Polly has told her court reporting students, “You might be in court and feel almost as if you're intruding a bit into someone's life. But actually you have to think of the greater good that you're doing: you're telling members of the public what's happening in court, that the courts are functioning properly, that the police are doing their job.”Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain that the jury has now been sent out to consider their verdicts. They were asked to begin their deliberations after listening to the judge sum up the case for more than four days.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz outline the closing speech of Lucy Letby's barrister, Ben Myers, KC. He tells the jury that the prosecution case is based on a presumption of guilt and not innocence. And he claims she is wrongly being blamed for mistakes in care at the hospital.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz continue to explain what prosecutor Nick Johnson KC said in his closing speech. He tells the jury Lucy Letby underwent training on the dangers of air embolus just days before she allegedly started harming babies and that the timings of some of the alleged attacks were strikingly similar.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

All the evidence has now been presented to the jury in the trial of Lucy Letby. In this episode, Caroline and Liz explain what prosecutor Nick Johnson KC said in his closing statement and how he is pulling together what he calls the ‘patterns' or ‘similarities' in the alleged attacks.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz outline the conclusion of the defence case and the end of the evidence. They also explain the judge's directions to the jury and how they should decide whether Lucy Letby is guilty or innocent of the charges she faces.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said at the conclusion of her cross-examination. They discuss the prosecution claims that she was out on the razzle, drinking with colleagues in the months before her arrest. And how it's alleged that she's a calculated murderer who killed babies for attention and sympathy.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said when questioned by the prosecution about Babies K to Q. They discuss how she accepts that two of her alleged victims were poisoned with insulin - just not by her. And how the prosecution say she was plotting to kill all three of the triplets.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this bonus episode Caroline and Liz take a closer look at what Lucy Letby says about her relationship with Dr A. They examine how it's alleged she attacked and murdered babies on the neo-natal unit - to get his attention because she had a ‘crush' on him.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said when questioned by the prosecution about three of the alleged victims in the case - Baby I, Baby J and Baby K. They discuss how she was accused of getting a “thrill” out of watching the grieving parents of Baby I bathe their daughter after she died and how she allegedly took the opportunity to try to kill when staff were busy with an emergency.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby said when questioned by the prosecution about four of the alleged victims in the case - Baby E, Baby G, Baby H and Baby I. They discuss how she denies ‘cooking' or faking medical notes to cover her tracks and attacking babies soon after their parents reluctantly left their cotsides.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what happened in court when the prosecution began questioning Lucy Letby for the first time. They discuss how she believes a ‘gang of four' hospital consultants were out to get her, and blame her for the sudden collapses and deaths of babies to cover up for failures in their care.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby had to say about the specific allegations relating to babies G to Q. They discuss how she disputed the evidence given by doctors and nurses on the unit and reveal what she said when asked directly if she'd attacked babies in her care.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Last week was unusual because the court didn't sit at all due to the Bank Holiday and juror sickness. Today Lucy Letby resumes her evidence from the witness box and we're hoping to bring you a bonus episode on this later in the week.In the meantime, we hope you enjoy this interview with Australian Associated Press Reporter Karen Sweeney. Caroline and Liz chat to Karen, who has been following the podcast from the beginning, about her career and court reporting in Australia.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain what Lucy Letby had to say on the second day of her defence case. We examine the specific allegations relating to the first six babies in the trial - babies A to F - and how she said it was ‘awful' being accused of murdering children in her care.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this bonus episode, Caroline and Liz outline the start of Lucy Letby's defence and explain what she said about why she is innocent of the charges against her. We'll hear how she was traumatised and left with PTSD by her arrest and how she insisted she never did anything to hurt the babies in her care.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz focus on the final days of the prosecution case against Lucy Letby.We'll hear more from the interviews she gave to police after her arrest and how she was so depressed after being moved off the neo-natal unit that she contemplated suicide.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz explain how police found a diary, a selection of handwritten notes and hundreds of medical handover sheets during searches of Lucy Letby's home. We also reveal what she told police when questioned and how she wept when photographs of her bedroom were shown in court.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz outline how Lucy Letby was telephoned at short notice by her manager and asked not to work her night shift following the collapse of the 17th baby in the case, Baby Q. In a series of text messages to colleagues she said the call had ‘messed with her head' and prompted her to have a ‘meltdown' because she was worried she was ‘in trouble.'Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, Caroline and Kim Pilling, standing in for Liz, go over what the court heard about the final baby in this case, Baby Q. He was a baby boy who was considered to be stable, until one morning when he collapsed just after Lucy Letby had left the nursery he was in. The prosecution allege that the clear fluid Baby Q had vomited before his collapse was water or saline which had been forced down his nasogastric tube by Lucy Letby. Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

This week, Caroline is joined by Kim Pilling from the Press Association. He's been at Manchester Crown Court every day covering the trail and is standing in for Liz while she's away.The court has heard from an expert pathologist who told the jury that six of the babies in the case did not die from natural causes. He told the court one of the babies had “huge” bruising to his liver, the like of which he might expect to see in children involved in road traffic accidents, accidents with bicycles and non-accidental assaults. We also hear from Ex Daily Mirror Journalist, Feature Writer and Media Law Lecturer Carole Watson on how to cover important stories while working within the law.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what the prosecution say happened to Baby P, the second of two identical triplets allegedly murdered by Lucy Letby at the end of June 2016. The nurse is accused of killing him 23 hours after his brother, by injecting air into his feeding tube and tummy.Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.