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“Lions, and tigers, and bears. Oh my!” Textus Receptus, and Modern Critical Text, and Comma Johanneum. Oh my! The Apostate Paul, here. No sooner had I began attending a Christian church back in 2010, and declared myself an “ex-Mormon Christian” online did Latter-day Saints begin to challenge my belief in the Bible as the reliable Word of God. I quickly learned of critical Biblical scholars like Bart Ehrman, and had to bone up on terms like those above. I had to try to make sense of the many debates around text-types, and the impacts they have on English translations of the Bible. As I did so, I wondered how my former co-religionists were so knowledgeable on these topics when they were fairly new to me. Was it because I didn't attend BYU? Is that where they learned to use such tactics to bolster the LDS claim to additional Scripture? As I studied, I reached tentative conclusions that I discussed with others on Facebook as these issues came up. “So the Comma Johanneum isn't in the earliest manuscripts, does that necessarily mean that it was an intentional corruption of the text? And even if it isn't original, so what? Textual criticism can trace to where it seems to have been introduced in the transmission of the text.” When I did so, I was challenged vigorously by a KJV-only Christian. It was a veritable mine field to try to navigate as a new Christian trying to defend his faith against volleys from Mormon online apologists. I struggled to get my mind around the breadth of the topic of textual criticism. Part of the answer for me was to attend a Christian Seminary to seek a degree in Biblical Studies. Not everyone can do that. In this episode we welcome Dwayne Green to help listeners get the lay of the land regarding this topic. He's very knowledgeable and has a YouTube Channel that is very helpful. Follow him if you want to dig deeper into topics related to textual criticism of the Bible. https://www.youtube.com/@Dwayne_Green
Can the text of the Bible be trusted? Why are there several textually controversial passages in the Bible, such as Mark 16 and the woman caught in adultery in John 8? What is textual criticism? Why is textual criticism important and valuable? Links: Textual criticism - what is it? Why are the newer translations of the Bible missing verses? What happened at the Pool of Bethesda? Should Mark 16:9-20 be in the Bible? Does John 7:53-8:11 belong in the Bible? What is the Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7-8)?
What is the Comma Johanneum, and how did it end up in some Bibles?
Today we move from learning about manuscripts and textual criticism to actually doing textual criticism. I’ve chosen two well-known corruptions to illustrate the process of textual criticism: 1 Timothy 3.16 and 1 John 5.7. In each of these cases scribes have altered the text of scripture and we have the manuscript evidence to show exactly Read more about 340 Bible 11 – Two Corrected Corruptions (1 Timothy 3.16 & 1 John 5.7)[…]
Today we move from learning about manuscripts and textual criticism to actually doing textual criticism. I’ve chosen two well-known corruptions to illustrate the process of textual criticism: 1 Timothy 3.16 and 1 John 5.7. In each of these cases scribes have altered the text of scripture and we have the manuscript evidence to show exactly Read more about 340 Bible 11 – Two Corrected Corruptions (1 Timothy 3.16 & 1 John 5.7)[…]
Michael interviews Jonathan Sheffield on the transmission of the New Testament. They discuss the Text of Antioch, Lucan Recension Theory, CBGM, Text-types, the Comma Johanneum and more. Sheffield’s cartoon may be seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbJ33bxBnWA&t=599s
The title says it all pretty much! check out James' website and blog at http://www.thetextofthegospels.com Listen to this episode to get our upcoming topics and itinerary. here is what we are hoping to discuss tomorrow! What’s your view regarding some important textual variants? Mark 16:9-20 – regarded in early Egypt as secondary (cf. Jn. 21:25 in Aleph) “Secondary” does not mean “non-original” – Psalms, Proverbs, Jeremiah. John 7:53-8:11 – Pentecost-lection A lector’s copy was used as an early exemplar Left off here------ Luke 22:43-44 – movement into Matthew 26 (First John 5:7 (Comma Johanneum) – see the blog) (Mark 1:2 – “In Isaiah” or “in the prophets” – see the blog) (Matthew 6:13 (doxology) – see the blog) (Luke 23:34 – see the blog) (John 1:18 – see the blog) (John 3:13 – see the blog) Jude verse 3 – the conflation in Codex Sinaiticus (if we have time) ● How do you regard “Confessional Bibliology”? Ultra-minority-readings in the TR. Parablepsis in the Byzantine Text. Example: James 4:12. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/joshua-gibbs3/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/joshua-gibbs3/support
This is a 90 minute examination of the background, history, and data regarding the famed -Comma Johanneum,- 1 John 5-7 in the King James Version of the Bible. In the last half hour we play portions of a video from Pastor Taylor DeSoto seeking to present a positive case for the inclusion of the text and respond.
Last time we considered Jesus’ identity as God’s messiah. Today, we’ll look at a number of texts that are sometimes misunderstood to teach that Jesus is God. We’ll go through three classifications of verses: (1) those with manuscript issues, (2) those with translation issues, and (3) those with interpretation issues. Here is the breakdown. Manuscript Read more about Theology 12 – Challenging Jesus’ Humanity[…]
Last time we considered Jesus’ identity as God’s messiah. Today, we’ll look at a number of texts that are sometimes misunderstood to teach that Jesus is God. We’ll go through three classifications of verses: (1) those with manuscript issues, (2) those with translation issues, and (3) those with interpretation issues. Here is the breakdown. Manuscript Read more about Theology 12 – Challenging Jesus’ Humanity[…]
Have you joined the Restitutio facebook group? The idea behind the group is that its a place where anyone can start topics for discussion. So, please join if you’d like to see what’s going on. What is the defining title for Jesus of Nazareth? Although he kept it mostly a secret during his ministry, Jesus’ Read more about Theology 11 – Jesus the Messiah[…]
Have you joined the Restitutio facebook group? The idea behind the group is that its a place where anyone can start topics for discussion. So, please join if you’d like to see what’s going on. What is the defining title for Jesus of Nazareth? Although he kept it mostly a secret during his ministry, Jesus’ Read more about Theology 11 – Jesus the Messiah[…]
Apologetics 11: New Testament Transmission With the New Testament we can’t argue for a reliable transmission on the basis of meticulous Hebrew scribes. More often, especially early on, the Christian scribes focused more on quantity than quality so they could get the word out as quickly as possible. However, the sheer number of manuscripts that Read more about Podcast 61: Is the New Testament Reliable? (Apologetics 11)[…]
Apologetics 11: New Testament Transmission With the New Testament we can’t argue for a reliable transmission on the basis of meticulous Hebrew scribes. More often, especially early on, the Christian scribes focused more on quantity than quality so they could get the word out as quickly as possible. However, the sheer number of manuscripts that Read more about Podcast 61: Is the New Testament Reliable? (Apologetics 11)[…]
What is the Comma Johanneum (1 John 5:7-8)? Should the Comma Johanneum be in 1 John 5:7-8?
Disputed New Testament Passages: Textual Criticism Put Into Practice
In 1 John 5:7, there is a debated Trinitarian formula which proponents of KJV-only defend as original. But if Erasmus did not promise to include the formula, known to textual critics as the Comma Johanneum, does that mean the Trinitarian formula is closer to the original text? Bill Brown for the Center of the Study of New Testament Manuscripsts (CSNTM) suggests that the evidence from the manuscripts argues for an original text that does not include the Comma.
A famous verse to the practice of New Testament Textual Criticism (NTTC) known as the Comma Johanneum, 1 John 5:7, is elaborated upon here by Dr. Daniel B. Wallace of the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts (CSNTM). Dr. Wallace gives a brief history of this verse followed by an exposition of its discovery in Munich, Germany in the margin of an 11th century manuscript, Gregory-Aland 177. Making finds like this available to more scholars through the availability of high quality digital images is one of the goals of CSNTM.
A famous verse to the practice of New Testament Textual Criticism (NTTC) known as the Comma Johanneum, 1 John 5:7, is elaborated upon here by Dr. Daniel B. Wallace of the Center for the Study of New Testament Manuscripts (CSNTM). Dr. Wallace gives a brief history of this verse followed by an exposition of its discovery in Munich, Germany in the margin of an 11th century manuscript, Gregory-Aland 177. Making finds like this available to more scholars through the availability of high quality digital images is one of the goals of CSNTM.