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Alan and Brent talk about Modern Testing (which isn't all that modern, and not really about testing) - including Agile, Lean, Delivery, DevOps, Data Science, Leadership, and more. Between them, Alan and Brent have nearly 60 years of software experience and are here to tell stories and talk about what they're seeing in the world of software. Intro / Outro music on the AB Testing podcast is The One by Rivet. License: CC BY Intro / Outro music on ABT343 is from https://filmmusic.io “Werq” by Kevin MacLeod (https://incompetech.com) License: CC BY (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/) Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/abtesting/support

AB Testing


    • Apr 4, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
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    Episode 219: Mailbag and Goodbye For Now

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2025 48:49


    We take on a mailbag question, and then talk a bit about the upcoming AB Testing hiatus as Alan prepares for a very long walk in the woods.

    Episode 218: The Principles of AI Assisted Coding

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2025 60:00


    We ramble a bit...but then get somewhere interesting. Worth a listen.

    Episode 217: Remote Work and Big News

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 20, 2025 42:29


    Alan gives Brent some advice on engaging remote workers, and Alan shares some bigly news.

    Episode 216: A Palate Cleanser from AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2025 41:08


    We take a mailbag question - and talk about other stuff.

    Episode 215: The Beat Goes On

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 10, 2025 48:33


    More ranting and discussions (and sometimes, some insights) from Brent and Alan.

    Episode 214: The AI Apocalypse

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 25, 2025 42:46


    It's been a while, but we're back to disagree about measuring developer productivity, and then talk about the doom and rebirth coming from AI.

    Episode 213: The 2024 Year in Review

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 28, 2024 54:10


    Usual end of year episode where we reflect on 2024, and look forward to 2025. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 212: AI and Engagement Surveys

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2024 45:57


    Once again, we ramble on topics we didn't plan on talking about. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 211: Leadership Stuff

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 3, 2024 43:48


    Welp - Alan asked Brent how it was going, he said it was review season, and then 40 minutes of babbling commenced --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 210: Mailbag with ChatGPT

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2024 53:37


    We're lazy, so we let chatgpt kick us off with a mailbag question. Tangents followed. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 209: AI and Testing?

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 22, 2024 58:03


    It's hard to tell what we talked about in this episode. But it involved a sleep-deprived Alan, and Brent, the Cat-Lady. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 208: Brain Refactor w/ Dagna Bieda

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 8, 2024 55:28


    The wonderful Dagna Bieda joins us to talk about her new book, Brain Refactor. Buy the book at https://www.amazon.com/Brain-Refactor-Engineering-Fulfillment-Opportunities/dp/B0DB69G798/ and learn more about Dagna at https://www.themindfuldev.com/ --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 207: No, GenAI isn't replacing your team

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2024 47:42


    We talk about this article - https://stackoverflow.blog/2024/06/10/generative-ai-is-not-going-to-build-your-engineering-team-for-you/ - which is good, but hyperbolic at times. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 206: Crowd-Crash

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 28, 2024 48:41


    Just like millions of others, we feel the need to talk about crowdstrike - just a bit. Then we talk about leadership, engagement, and potential new podcasting ventures. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 205: We're Afraid of AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2024 42:52


    It's another episode of the AI Testing Podcast, where we discuss the advancements of AI, parallels to nuclear war, and what humans will do in the future. Links - OpenAI reportedly nears breakthrough with “reasoning” AI, reveals progress framework The Day After --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 204: The Three Ways of Devops & MT

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2024 49:07


    We talk about a lot of stuff - because that's what we do. Somewhere in there, we talk about the overlap between the ways of devops and MT, and Brent threatens to rewrite the first principle. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 203: Podcast Alan

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2024 50:08


    We talk about "Podcast Alan", and a bit about Alan's day job. Once again, going with the minimal editing approach. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 202: The Return

    Play Episode Listen Later May 26, 2024 50:09


    It's been a long break. Again. But there are reasons. This time, we take a mailbag question and talk about the challenges of organizational change. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 201: Aftermath

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 29, 2024 44:07


    In the aftermath of the episode 200 extravaganza, we talk about Fallout (the show), and take a mailbag question that evolves into yet more discussions on AI. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 200: IT'S EPISODE 200

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 4, 2024 65:24


    We recorded this episode live - sort of. We have guests. We have fun. We get bobbleheads. We talk about AI. It's EVERYTHING you could ask for on our 200th episode AND 10th anniversary. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 199: Ten Years Gone

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2024 43:42


    For the first time in ten years, Brent and Alan both listen to the very first episode of AB Testing (so you don't have to). --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 198: Fiefdoms

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 28, 2024 47:36


    We talk about fiefdoms - but mostly we end up talking about the growth mindset. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episodde 197: Wait - Test is Alive Again

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2024 49:15


    Somewhere in the middle of a whole lot of tangents, we take a walk though James Whittaker's post on The Resurrection of Software Testing - https://medium.com/@docjamesw/the-resurrection-of-software-testing-634423cd8411 --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 196: A Chat with Kat Obring

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 11, 2024 45:34


    We had a great time with a wonderful guest. Big thanks to Kat Obring for hanging out with us. Sign up for Kat's newsletter here - https://katobring.podia.com/ You can find Kat on linkedin here - https://www.linkedin.com/in/katjaobring/ And even more about Kat and her business here - https://kato-coaching.com/ --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 195: AI and Alicorns

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2024 39:13


    We start with a bit of a retro of the last few episodes and once again head off into the weeds of AI. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 194: More Testing and AI with Jason Arbon (part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 5, 2024 35:31


    It's the remainder of the interview with Jason. It gets fun, it gets weird, and it gets cool. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 193: More Testing and AI with Jason Arbon (part 1)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2024 34:31


    We spent a little extra time with Jason and talked A LOT about AI, testing in AI, and whether or not Alan or Brent will have a quality title some day. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 192: Bryan Finster

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 15, 2024 53:06


    We are joined by Bryan Finster who talks about his journey with CD, Developer Testing, and he shares all kinds of fantastic information on delivering quality software. You can read his 5-minute devops blog at blog.bryanfinster.com see his podcast (vcast?) on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@devhopspodcast9535) and see some of his work on CD at minimumcd.org --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 191: 2023 Year End Extravaganza

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 11, 2023 46:38


    It's our annual year end episode where we discuss our predictions from a year ago, reflect on the last year, and think a bit about what may happen in 2024. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 190: We Could Be Heroes

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 19, 2023 43:24


    We talk a bit about our friend chat GPT, and then talk about heroes in the workplace. There's an obvious cross-over to Alan's post on angryweasel.substack.com that's worth checking out. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 189: Brent being Brent

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2023 38:24


    We're back and recording on a new platform - except when we aren't. In this episode, we talk about...not AI...and instead talk about the Peter Principle and Brent finally reading the Phoenix Project. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 188: AI Testing with Jason Arbon

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2023 32:51


    We talk with Jason Arbon about - you guessed, AI. Unfortunately, this recording only contains two thirds of our discussion, since zencastr decided to do its own thing. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 187: All we talk about is AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2023 38:14


    Yeah - we talk about AI, and (eventually) wonder if AI can be a good CEO. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 186: IC or Manager - That is the Question

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 4, 2023 35:20


    In this episode, Brent and Alan answer a mailbag question, and talk about how and when they have changed between manager and IC (individual contributor - aka non-manager) roles. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 185: The ROI of Test Automation

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 7, 2023 39:43


    So...Perze asked a question that he said was probably a thought experiment, but we tried to answer, but Perze was right and it ended up being a thought experiment after all - but the answer is in there somewhere. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 184: Is Testing a Dying Profession

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 24, 2023 47:23


    We discuss an article by the same name, but also dive extensively into the topic, whether it's true or not (or maybe), and tell some stories along the way. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 183: Premature Escalation

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 10, 2023 35:20


    We're back after a mini-break. In this episode, we talk about the concept of Premature Escalation, and whether or not teams are crossing the chasm into Modern Testing. And a bunch of tangents along the way. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 182: Brian Pulliam and StrengthsFinders

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 5, 2023 50:13


    We are joined by Brian Pulliam, and we go waaaay deep into StrenthgsFinders. It was fascinating and fun, and a ton of fun. Brian's website is https://refactorcoaching.com/, and you can find more about StrengthsFinders at https://www.gallup.com/cliftonstrengths/en/strengthsfinder.aspx --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 181: The AI Testing Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2023 36:39


    We talk a lot (again) about AI. Just like Agile was a disruptor when we began the podcast AI is a disruptor that you can ignore at your own peril, or embrace and ride the wave. There's some other good stuff here as well. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 180: Brent is Mary Poppins

    Play Episode Listen Later May 9, 2023 43:25


    Apologies for the delay - anchor failed us for the first time (or maybe the problem was pbkac) - but posting 12 hours late regardless. We spend a little time talking about our previous guest (chat gpt), whether AI is taking our jobs away, return to office, windows phone, and /finally/ a bit (abstractly) about Alan's new gig. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 179: An Interview with Chat GPT

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2023 42:16


    We talk almost entirely about AI, with the bulk of the time "interviewing" chat GPT about the modern testing principles. Lots of fun, and lots of fodder for future podcasts. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 178: Testing vs Quality

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2023 35:36


    Beware - there are tangents and rambling. But - if you like listening to us talk about stuff in our lives, and eventually whether the emphasis should be on great testing or great quality, it should be fun. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 177: How Alan quit his job

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 3, 2023 41:03


    We start with our (now) regular discussion of AI, and then talk about the deets of Alan leaving his job at Unity (and then more about AI) --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 176: AI, Migrations, and more Chat GPT

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 6, 2023 51:47


    It's a pretty rambly episode, but we talk more about AI and chat gpt (sorry), touch on a mailbag question about migrations, and hit a few dozen other subjects on the way. Hold on tight. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 175: We're Doomed

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2023 43:58


    Brent puts on his tinfoil hat and talks about how tech and AI are going to doom us all. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 174: Healing the wounds of layoffs

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 30, 2023 42:30


    We talk quite a bit about the layoff situation in text - and then tell some stories about "the old days" at microsoft. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 173: The Mindful Dev w/ Dagna Bieda

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 23, 2023 49:42


    We are joined by Dagna Bieda from https://www.themindfuldev.com to talk about coaching, burnout, and growth as a software engineer. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 172: Dedicated Testers are a heuristic for slow feedback loops

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 9, 2023 49:12


    We spend the whole episode talking about the reactions to Alan's post describing why most software teams don't need dedicated testers. Bring the Hate! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/abtesting/support

    Episode 171: 2022 Recap and Look Forward into 2023

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 19, 2022 50:13


    It's our last podcast of 2022, so we look back on the year, talk about our 2022 predictions, and look forward into 2023. And we once again, talk quite a bit about chatgpt. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/abtesting/support

    Episode 170: AB Testing meets ChatGPT

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 12, 2022 40:21


    We try not to talk about https://chat.openai.com/chat the entire episode, but we mostly fail. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/abtesting/support

    Episode 169: Zencaster Holds a Grudge

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2022 41:27


    We mostly talk about prioritization, but as usual, it's impossible for us to stick to a single topic. --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/abtesting/support

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