Opt Out Life

Our guest today is Merrily Orsini. Merrily founded one of the first private pay home care businesses in the United States, back in 1981, which she managed to grow successfully to more than 200 employees. She has been in the home caregiving business ever since and is now the President and CEO of CoreCubed, where she pioneered the work-from-home business model, many years before it became the norm. How did she do it? Merrily tells us about her business journey in caregiving, her efforts into incorporating technology into her businesses, and how her perseverance has led to her success. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/merrily-orsini/

Joe Bernstein, founder of Drop the Armor Wellness, is on a mission to help other men feel the love and freedom that he learned to cultivate when his life fell apart several years ago. Back in 2013, Joe decided to go through a series of lifestyle changes to take back control of his life. After going through a bad divorce and losing 160 lbs, he left a successful career in retail management to build a mission-focused business and help other men create the life they desire. Today, as a men’s coach and writer, Joe helps successful men live a better, more fulfilling life. Listen along as he helps us understand the process of transformation, and how to create a pathway to overcome our challenges. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/joe-bernstein/

2020, a year unlike any other, is finally coming to an end. As we welcome in 2021, it's a great time to look back and reflect on this year as a whole - with all of its ups and downs. In this solo episode, Dana walks us through a fun exercise to reflect on our year and project new ideas to get ready for a more productive 2021. We wish you a happy new year and as always, stay safe and healthy out there! More at optoutlife.com/podcast/dana-solo-nye-2020/

Our guest today is William Stringer. Will is the co-founder & CEO of Chisos, a company that provides capital for early-stage entrepreneurs and start-ups that have a difficult time accessing it. Chisos is the creator of a revolutionary new funding source for founders: the Convertible Income Share Agreement, or CISA - designed to equalize opportunity and give access to funding without all the usual hang-ups of traditional funding options. Listen along to learn more about this win-win investment product, and how it can provide entrepreneurs the capital and community they need to succeed. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/william-stringer/

As our listeners have already heard, the Opt Out Life podcast is all about getting the stories of entrepreneurs who have achieved the Opt Out Life their way- but is the life of entrepreneurship right for everybody? In this episode, Dana talks to his wife and Opt Out partner in crime: Heather Robinson. Heather shares the details of her entrepreneurial journey, her introspection work in the last year as a business owner, and her honest assessment that it is perfectly acceptable to find your Opt Out pathway and not have to be an entrepreneur. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/heather-robinson/

Today's guests are Russ and Joey, founders of Wealth Without Wall Street and hosts of the popular podcast. Russ and Joey came from a more traditional advisory model and realized that their methods were keeping them from reaching the financial freedom they had been seeking. They decided to focus on finding an alternative approach to wealth and money, and started an advisory firm to help regular people learn how to take control of their financial future. Listen along as they share some of their strategies to establish long-term financial freedom and help us retrain our thinking about money. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/wealth-without-wall-street/  

Happy Thanksgiving, Opt Outers! It's that time of the year again, and Nate & Dana are both back in the studio to talk about what they've been doing lately and give us an update on what's coming next! More at optoutlife.com/podcast/thanksgiving-2020/

Buying an existing business is often the fastest and least risky way to Opt Out. And if you have ever been curious about franchising, then today's episode with Lance Graulich is for you. Lance is the founder & CEO of ION Franchising, an industry-leading franchise consulting and development group, that represents over 500 franchise brands & business opportunities. Lance helps prospective entrepreneurs find their perfect franchise for free, and also assists independent business owners in creating a franchise system. In this episode, Lance gives us expert advice and tells us how to get into franchising, how to choose the right franchise to work with, how to stay away from pitfalls, and more. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/lance-graulich/

Today's guest is Greg Shepard. Greg is the CEO and founder of BOSS Capital Partners. He is a Serial Entrepreneur, Author, Speaker, and Angel Venture Capital Investor with a legacy of building and running sustainable growth businesses. But to get to the top, he had to tackle many obstacles. His journey inspired him to start helping entrepreneurs around the world by creating the BOSS Operating Support System, a strategic playbook that teaches entrepreneurs how to scale a business through a step-by-step guided process that covers functional alignment, growth, and scale. Listen along as he shares his entrepreneurial journey and explains why focus, drive, discipline, enthusiasm, and optimism are the key to success. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/gregory-shepard/

Today's podcast guest is Grant Aldrich, the CEO and Founder of OnlineDegree.com. After graduating with honors from the University of California Irvine in Economics, and overwhelmed with debt, Grant went on a mission to make higher education more accessible and affordable for everyone - that's when OnlineDegree.com was founded. This for-profit company allows people to take courses and earn degrees from over a thousand participating universities, all for free. Grant has spent his entire career working in startups with nearly 15 years of experience and 2 prior exits to a publicly traded company. He has also been a board member and donor to several non-profits, an advisor to many publicly traded companies, and a guest speaker at seminars and graduate school courses across the US. In this episode, we talk about how he got to where he's at, his opt out approach to education, and how he manages to run a business with close to 30,000 paying clients. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/grant-aldrich/

Our guest today is Geordie Wardman. Geordie has been an entrepreneur for 15 years and currently lives in Switzerland with his family. He helps other people build companies, builds his own software services and products, and still manages to ski 100 days a year while working on all of his businesses. In this episode, Geordie shows us a version of the Opt Out life that you may not have even thought of, and teaches us that no matter where you're at in life, you could pick up and move to Switzerland. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/geordie-wardman/

Opt Out Life listener, Erik, hit us up to discuss a situation that many people find themselves in - Erik is in his late 20s, works as a civil engineer, and is looking for opportunities to opt out. How could he best approach this? In this special episode, we invited Erik onto the mic and talked through the most effective strategies he, and other aspiring Opt Out-ers, can use to take back control of their time. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/erik-the-listener/

In today’s episode, we talk to Chad Peterson. Chad is an expert business broker and the founder of Peterson Acquisitions, an award-winning M&A firm. Chad is a self-made entrepreneur that has been in the trenches. He has started, built and sold 6 of his own businesses, and also wrote two books: “From Blue to White: A Working Man’s Guide to Self-Employment” and “Swinging Doors: A Guide to Selling Your Company” Learn more about his process of selling a business, how marketing strategy and online reputation come into play, and get some of his most valuable advice about entrepreneurship. PLUS, our listeners will get a FREE download of the book “Swinging Doors: A Guide to Selling Your Company” by going to petersonacquisitions.com/get-the-book/ and mentioning Opt Out Life!

In today's episode, we talk to Bob Wheeler. Bob’s crusade for personal growth has cross-pollinated with his accounting practice to create a new approach to personal finances. His passion is to help others gain insights about how their emotions trigger financial decisions. While strengthening his accounting practice, Bob has simultaneously pursued his love of satire and ventured into the realm of standup comedy, and is currently the CFO for The World Famous Comedy Store. Take a listen to this episode and learn more about how our emotions impact financial decision-making, and how we can change our beliefs around money. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/bob-wheeler/

In today's episode, we talk to Bill Bice. Bill has always been an entrepreneur, starting his first company at age 14, putting on road races with corporate sponsors. At 18, he started ProLaw Software, the first integrated ERP for law firms. After selling the company, Bill became a VC as a founding partner in the Verge Fund, investing in high tech, high growth companies in the Southwest. One of the core things that Bill has learned in building and investing in companies is that the go-to-market is always the hardest part of growing a business, which led him to found Boomtime, tackling marketing as a technology problem. Learn more about Bill's journey and his proven marketing techniques that have led him to the entrepreneur he is today. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/bill-bice/

In today's episode, we talk to Benny Nachman. Benny worked as an attorney on corporate law but always had a bug for entrepreneurship. He created his first startup while in Law School, and eventually became a serial entrepreneur. He now has a proven track record in building a global bank with over 30 licenses all over the world, managing hundreds of employees, and thousands of merchants with over $7Bn in volume. Learn more about the companies he has founded, such as Credorax and Jassby, and his exciting entrepreneurial journey. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/benny-nachman/

Nate and Dana are finally back in the studio! With a bunch of new episodes coming out, they return from their COVID break to give you an update on what they’re doing now, and what’s been going on with Opt Out in these last few months. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/dana-nate-update-sept-2020/

In this episode, our guest is Dan Johnston. He is the host of the Dreams Around The World podcast, and a business and life coach with a mission to help others create the best version of themselves. Dan went from a rock bottom point to living the life of his dreams, learning some incredible lessons along the way, and creating a life of travel, location independence, and freedom over his time. His #1 rule? Stories beat stuff. Listen along and get some inspiration and practical tips you can apply to your own life. PLUS, our listeners will get a FREE 9-part email course on The Life Design Approach by visiting dreamsaroundtheworld.com/optoutlife/ More at optoutlife.com/podcast/dan-johnston/

Our guest today is J Massey. J is a real estate investor, Podcast Host, and the CEO and Founder of Cashflow Diary, a short-term rental hospitality training company, where he shows people how to build their own short-term rental business from scratch. Listen along as J shares some cool angles on how you can still leverage vacation rentals amid the COVID-19 crisis, and learn about his incredible Opt Out journey, a story of personal success that will inspire you. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/j-massey/

Today’s guest is Michael Green. Michael is an expert real estate investor, entrepreneur, and the host of The Flip Factor podcast. At age 17, he got in trouble with the law and faced a 4-year jail sentence that inspired him to turn his life around. He decided to learn how to flip houses and today, he runs his own house flipping business and has bought and sold over 1,100 deals. Listen to this classic Opt Out story and learn how he managed to change his life's path, and how he runs his successful house flipping business today. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/michael-green/

In this special episode, Nate and Dana talk about COVID-19 and how it’s impacting business and life in general. Listen as they share their experiences navigating quarantine, social-distancing, and work-life in the new normal. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/covid-19/

As a young boy, Ken Goodrich used to help his father by holding a flashlight for him as he worked on repairing air conditioners for customers. The first air conditioner unit he shined a flashlight on was a Goettl. With time, he became proficient as an air conditioning technician and ran service calls. Fast forward to today, and Ken owns and operates the Goettl Air Conditioning company. In this episode, you'll hear about his struggles learning how to run a business, how he took that knowledge to purchase and sell other companies, and how he built a big enterprise. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/ken-goodrich/

In this episode, our guest is not only inspirational to our audience, but has also been part of our own inspiration. Merrick Lozano. Founder of Let's Build A Brand and Co-Founder PRLeap, our long-time friend has been living the Opt Out life before it was even called Opt Out. Listen along as we chat about Google, SEO, business and having to do the 'dirty work' in Mexico. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/merrick-lozano/

In this special episode, Dana & Nate go ‘guestless’ to talk about business, life, and opt out mindset - as it relates to private jets. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/mindsets-and-jets/

Today's guest is Dan Lu - a listener of the Out Out Life who quit his job as a mechanical engineer and moved to San Diego to start his own marketing business and reinvent his life. In this episode, we talk about the psychological struggles of being stuck in a life that you don't enjoy and working towards making a leap to take back control of your time. Dan's story shows that you don't have to have one of those giant success stories in order to get the life you want. Listen along to learn the details of how he figured it all out. Also, Dan will give our listeners FREE instant access to 1) "The Marketing Foundation Playbook" a guide designed to help you build a strong marketing foundation for your Opt Out business, and 2) "The Ultimate Guide to Online Business" where he shares 40+ different business ideas/models that you can build online. Go to www.maverickmarketingstudio.com/optout to download for FREE! More at optoutlife.com/podcast/dan-lu/

In today’s episode, our guest is Kristy – also known as The Nomad Nextdoor. A free spirit from Encinitas, California, who left her career in sales to travel the world and live the opt out life. Dana met her in Bali, traveling between islands, where she shared her story of how she left everything behind to fulfill her dreams. Like many people, she felt stuck in her 9-5 job, so she found a way to leverage her passion for travel, and make a living out of it. Kristy is a great inspiration for everyone and teaches us that pushing through the fear and taking the leap can pay off, big time. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/nomad-nextdoor/

Today’s episode is all about the listeners! Listen along as we answer YOUR questions about entrepreneurship, how to get the life you want, side gigs and anything Opt Out. Do you have a question? We want to hear from you! Email us your best question at Dana@optoutlife.com or Nate@optoutlife.com and we’ll add it to the list for our next special Listener Q+A episode. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/listener-qanda2/

In this week's episode we have a special guest host, Cory Verner, who has brought to the studio a fascinating entrepreneur with quite an opt out journey, Malcolm Nicholl. Malcolm went from high-school dropout to millionaire entrepreneur and has lived and worked remotely, experiencing a variety of careers. Listen along as he takes us back to the initial endeavors that led him off the grid. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/malcolm-nicholl/

Throughout his spiritual journey, Dana has learned that certain spiritual narratives can become hindrances to our improvement. In today's special episode, he talks about spirituality and the implications it has on your ability to become a successful business person. Listen along as he discusses the importance of finding your own opt-out path to achieve the life you want. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/opt-out-spirituality/

Buying an existing business can be a great path to entrepreneurship, but before rushing out to buy a business, there are some important things you should understand and consider. In this episode, Nate and Dana talk about "the truths" of buying a business, and Dana shares many of the nitty-gritty details of his latest property management business acquisition. If you’re curious about buying your way into entrepreneurship, this is your episode. More about https://optoutlife.com/podcast/real-time-buying-a-new-business/

Our guest in this episode is the “guru to the gurus”, Rich Schefren. Rich was the first guy to do online coaching, and ended up leveraging that to become the godfather to many of the major online marketing players of today. His passion was deepened to share what he had learned with all the aspiring internet marketers who wanted to build real businesses and have more freedom. That's when his consulting business, Strategic Profits, came into existence, adding over 15 Billion dollars of additional revenue to his clients over the course of many years. Listen along as he fires off expert advice, and explains how he has built the very successful “Opt Out Life” he has today. Want to learn more? Our listeners will get an exclusive code to join his 24-Hour Broadcast - THE 'COALITION TO SAVE INTERNET BUSINESS'. Just go to Optoutlife.com/Rich and use the code "optout" to save your seat! More at optoutlife.com/podcast/rich-schefren/

It's officially 2020, and we head into the third calendar year of existence of Opt Out Life! We're recapping our favorite lessons and episodes of 2019, and we talk about where we're headed - personally and professionally. 2019 was a busy and exciting year. Thanks for joining us! More at Optoutlife.com/podcast/its-the-year-of-opt-out/

Today we sit down with Jono Bacon. Author of five books, community strategist, and Keynote speaker. Jono spent his career developing his community management skills and decided to do consulting/advising on the side, which led him into founding Jono Bacon Consulting and extending the power of collaboration to a wider range of industries across the world. He wrote the critically acclaimed book The Art of Community, and also founded the Community Leadership Summit. His story gives us some insightful perspective about what it's like to transition successfully from employee to entrepreneur. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/jono-bacon/

About a year ago, we interviewed Courtney Condy - the founder of a business called Occupation Wild. Fast forward a year later, and we're closing the loop with Nick Watts, the new VP. Nick graduated from college and decided to never opt-in. His positive attitude and adventurous approach to life have taken him all over the world - from boat hitchhiking, to Surfing at Cloudbreak in Fiji. This fun, fast-paced story where Jacques Cousteau meets Indiana Jones will enlighten fellow opt-outers as well as anyone trying to escape the 9 to 5 grind. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/nick-watts/

Ok, so you've got a business idea - Now what? Dana & Nate go ‘guestless’ on this special episode to talk about how to implement a business idea. They share personal stories of both successes and failures that could give you the information you need if you ever find yourself in a similar situation. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/i-have-a-business-idea/

Today’s guest is Michael Dash. Michael is the author of Chasing the High, a book about his personal journey through addiction, entrepreneurship, legal battles, and all the lessons he learned along the way. Michael battled with gambling and drug addiction for many years, until a perspective-shifting trip to Bali inspired him to have a more positive mental attitude and outlook on life. Through it all, he was able to channel his compulsions into productivity, and find his entrepreneurial passion and purpose in life. Michael’s journey through overcoming adversity is a great story to hear whether you're an entrepreneur or thinking about starting a business. Listen to his story and get inspired. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/michael-dash/

For many people, becoming a "millionaire" sounds like a dream come true. Many believe that reaching the million-dollar mark means being set for life and never having to worry about money again. But in today’s world, what's a million really worth? Listen along as we talk about millionaires and the reality of making a million dollars. No notes, no guest, this episode is 100% uncut and raw from the studio. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/whats-a-million-worth/

For many opt outers, it’s all about getting out from under the 9 to 5 and building a business. But, what if your opt out is just a little more OUT? Like out on the azure waters of French Polynesia, floating on a boat, and not working a real job ever again? Today’s guests are Kristian and Sabrina, a married duo who designed that very life over a decade ago, and have been floating along in their version of the opt out life while the rest of the world spins on. The cool part about Kristian and Sabrina’s story is that they didn’t drop out and get away like hermits. Their boat life is a community, and in some ways a mini commune, where like-minded people can take a week or more and disconnect from their busy lives to reconnect with themselves. The story of the Beadle family is an entrepreneurial journey, from small experiment that works, to growing a venture to the next level, all while juggling priorities, and starting a family. Listen along and learn, whether you want to start a side gig on land, or one that floats your boat. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/Kristian-Sabrina/

Our guest in this episode, Jillian Sassone, started down her own entrepreneurial journey accidentally. She took a piece of an old heirloom and turned it into a cool new ring. Her first day out wearing it, she landed two custom jewelry clients without even trying. From there, Jillian’s business grew quickly as people realized that she could create custom rings. They soon outgrew their dining table, and leased a small space to have meetings. As things grew, she added her husband as a partner, and staff that has enabled the business to scale. Perhaps you’ll be inspired by the true bootstraps nature of Jillian’s journey, as it shows how anyone with the right mindset can accomplish anything they put their heart into. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/jillian-sassone/

Today's episode is all about the listeners! Listen along as we answer YOUR questions about entrepreneurship, how to get the life you want, side gigs and anything opt out. Do you have a question? We want to hear from you! Email us your best question at Dana@optoutlife.com or Nate@optoutlife.com and we'll add it to the list for our next special Listener Q+A episode. So what do you want to ask? More at optoutlife.com/podcast/listener-qanda/

Today’s guest is Cory Verner.  Cory had spent years commuting to a job he hated. He made it tolerable by listening to audio books every day.  When the time came to launch a business, he decided to start an audio book publisher.  That was 15 years ago, and that little business grew until it was sold to a private equity group in 2016. Yes, Cory did fine, but as we’ll hear, he also learned a tough lesson along the way. Today, we find Cory in the midst of a couple of new ventures and one old one.  Cory’s journey through the entrepreneurial hero’s journey is quite typical, so it’s a great story to hear if you are either at the beginning of your story, or somewhere along the way. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/cory-verner/

Opt Out Life listeners and fellow entrepreneurs Bryton Nield and Matt Mclelland hit us up with a compelling question. How could they best approach launching an "Opt Out" networking event in their city? And how else might we suggest they expand their personal and business networks, in general? In this special episode, we invited Byrton and Matt on to the mics and talk through one of the most important skillsets and strategies any aspiring Opt Out-er needs to master. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/how-to-start-networking

Today’s guest is Chuck Longenacker, the founder of a digital agency who came to us after spending the past two years relaxing and recovering from the long road to success that often ends in burn out. Chuck’s journey as an entrepreneur began a million years ago, the dust of the dotcom crash in 2001. He lost his job in corporate America, and took his $5000 severance as a chance to try and go down a different path. Over time, his little venture grew up into a highly respected digital and design agency, Digital Telepathy, that would eventually have several dozen employees and a unique subscription model for how they charged clients. As you’d imagine, there were bumps along the way. That’s all part of pulling off what this guy pulled off . . . nearly 20 years of building a business that was a reflection of how he wanted to see the world, and the underlying freedom of lifestyle it ultimately provided. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/chuck-longanecker 

The life we lead as entrepreneurs, as "Opt Out" guys/gals, is typically one that looks pretty great.  No bosses.  No set schedules.  Building income streams.  The grass is green, right?  This episode is 100% uncut and raw from the studio, recorded on a day when we were both running around from project to project.  We figured, why not let everyone hear what it's really like without all the fancy storylines and production?  More at optoutlife.com/podcast/uncut-grass

Today’s guest is Chad Mureta. As hit sits today, he’s a best-selling author, advisor, and consultant who has built and sold five different app companies and made millions of dollars in four different industries. And, as we’ll hear, he currently runs Project EVO, a company launched on kickstarter to create daily planners that are built for each person’s unique brain type. Chad had it all when the real estate market crashed, and lost it all. He had a major health scare that changed his trajectory forever.  He traveled the world for 10 years while building his online businesses, and now he's landed here in San Diego. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/chad-mureta

**Previous version missed the drop-ins**   Our guest is Steve Welty, he’s the 30 something owner of a business called Good Life Property Management. It’s a San Diego based property manager, with some 650 single family homes under management. As you’ll hear, Steve is a personable, outgoing face for a company that embodies his unique philosophies on lifestyle, balance, revenue growth, and company culture. He did it his own way, by empowering the generally younger group that makes up his workforce, and by consistently challenging them to work him out of a meaningful day-to-day position. Now, he has time to spend countless hours with his young son, work ON the business instead of IN it, and the results are commendable. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/steve-welty Learn more and follow the hosts at optoutlife.com

What if I told you there’s a little-known cottage industry of generally-younger entrepreneurs out there, buying businesses that have millions in profit, to kickstart their own careers? Our guest in this episode is Tim Ludwig.  Tim’s an OG member of the world of search funds.  What’s a search fund? It’s a term commonly used to describe a hungry entrepreneur in waiting, who takes the backing of a small group of investors to go out and SEARCH for a business to buy.  It’s an interesting method for any enterprising person such as yourself to jump into the world of business ownership. Tim has made a career out of investing in them. He’s invested in some 40 companies over the years, and you’ll hear how he ultimately has used the industry of searching to find his own opportunities to buy a few businesses of his own. Most days, he works from home and takes calls from his back patio, overlooking the palm trees and Pacific Ocean in La Jolla.  More at optoutlife.com/podcast/tim-ludwig Learn more and follow the hosts at optoutlife.com

Today’s guest changed the category of "comfortable women's shoes" forever back in 1999 when she left her medical career to enter the footwear industry. Taryn Rose became a household name a few years later when a stroke of luck put her on the cover of Fast Company, and, well, Oprah declared that she loved Taryn’s shoes. Her shoes can be found in high-end stores like Neiman Marcus, but also on Home Shopping Network, where the brand High Heel Power by Taryn Rose is sold, with her handbags, legwear, and foot skincare. Taryn has had ups and downs through her career, including a successful exit.  More at optoutlife.com/podcast/taryn-rose Learn more and follow the hosts at optoutlife.com

Dana & Nate go 'guestless' on this special episode to talk about how aspiring entrepreneurs and fellow Opt Out Life listeners can best figure out a path "out".  More at optoutlife.com/podcast/exit-plan Learn more and follow the hosts at optoutlife.com

Today’s guest is Joanna Kinsman. We met her on the 4th of July as she skated into a little house party on San Diego’s Boardwalk, that famous two-mile stretch of sidewalk that runs along the Pacific Ocean. There she was skating the boardwalk on a holiday (and most weekdays!) while running her growing business, Kini Bands. The path to success wasn’t all roses for Joanna, but her story shows that anyone with the ambition can achieve what they want. We love Joanna’s story for several reasons, not the least of which is the fact that she teaches us that what you do at a regular old job can eventually translate into a business that you own and control. Grab your skates, a boom box, a red-white-and-blue headband, and of course, a kini band bracelet to tie your hair up. More at optoutlife.com/podcast/joanna-kinsman Learn more and follow the hosts at optoutlife.com

Our guest is Ryan McKenna.  He’s a real estate syndicator from Chicago, who’s been on his own for a little while now.  He’s in his mid-30s, has a young family, and works most days in his own place, on his own time.  Ryan’s built a mini-empire over the course of his young career by investing in his own real estate deals, building passive income, and freeing up his options. What’s cool about Ryan’s story is he very deliberately invested not only in property but also in his personal network and his own knowledge and experience while working in a more traditional career in commercial real estate. Listen along as we talk about the nitty-gritty of what the heck a “syndicated multifamily deal” is in the real estate investing world, how relationships lead to opportunity, and how a health scare earlier in life turned this college baseball player onto a different, yet still very audacious, goal to accomplish.  More at optoutlife.com/podcast/ryan-mckenna Learn more and follow the hosts at optoutlife.com