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This episode dives into the debate between the annihilationist view (also known as 'conditional immortality') and the traditional 'eternal conscious torment' perspective on hell that has been highlighted among scholars for years. Dr. Al Mohler, Former President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, strongly opposes the annihilationist view, a stance he elaborated on in his daily podcast, The Briefing. On the other side we have Chris Date, a co-founder of Rethinking Hell, who argues in favour of the annihilationist perspective, a belief he adopted after extensive biblical study. The debate delves into scriptural interpretations and examines whether academic scholarship is actually shifting away from the traditional view of eternal torment in favour of an end of all ends. Originally Aired 3 Jan 2015 • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate
Dr. Will Ryan, Pastor Matt, and Jana examine the Conditional Immortality/Annihilation view of hell. We look at the Biblical and philosophical arguments and then the strengths and weaknesses. Conditional immortality states that immortality is not the default position of humans in this view. Adam and Eve’s life depended upon eating from the tree of life the eternal life of humanity is in eating from the true tree of Life – Jesus. • Conditional Immortality has an extremely strong case biblically. It connects the punishment for sin and the rejection of God from beginning to end in the Bible. Conditionalists (CI) don’t have to reinterpret death, second death, destruction, perish, and more to mean separation or torment. They let words mean what they normally mean. Jesus’ death on the cross actually makes sense in a substitutionary atonement model with CI VS ECT. Jesus actually experiences and overcomes the wages of sin… DEATH (Not eternal torment). In the conditionalist view God actually conquers sin and eliminates it from the cosmos. Conditionalist do not fall into the platonic views of the soul being immortal that many in the early church fell into but stick to the Hebrew view that goes back to the beginning. If we are immortal by nature then Hell is not really a punishment but a choice of location, instead of the continual biblical motif of choosing life or death. In the apostolic writings there is never a mention of Hell as eternal torment. In the gospel presentations in Acts, Hell is never mentioned. Judgement and the one who judges is. When the Apostles refer to this judgement it is never eternal torment. In CI the punishment fits the crime and God says that he values proper scales when it comes to justice. CI seems to be more just in this way than traditionalism. CI’s version of final judgement is both just and merciful. Unending torment seems to go against the character of God who says over and over that “His anger only last for a moment, but favor lasts for a lifetime”. The traditional view has God’s wrath lasting forever which is nowhere in scripture. CI fits more with the character of God than ECT overall. A God who respects free will, is merciful, but will let people have what they desire and if that is their own will then God is saddened but obliged to remove his sustaining hand and let them cease to exist.
Rethinking Hell contributors Peter Grice and Chris Date join Darren Clark to continue a series of podcast episodes responding to Matt Slick of CARM.org. In this second episode of the series, Darren, Peter, and Chris discuss some of the ways Slick misreads and misrepresents conditionalist literature in his critiques of annihilationism. Links: Matt Slick's annihilationism landing page at CARM.org: https://carm.org/annihilationism
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What is the destiny of the unrighteous? Christians over the centuries have put forward three major options: eternal conscious torment (traditionalism), temporary torment followed by salvation (universalism), temporary torment followed by destruction (annihilationism). In this lecture we’ll cover the main texts supporting the annihilation of the wicked as well as three logical problems with the Read more about Theology 7 — Annihilationism[…]
What is the destiny of the unrighteous? Christians over the centuries have put forward three major options: eternal conscious torment (traditionalism), temporary torment followed by salvation (universalism), temporary torment followed by destruction (annihilationism). In this lecture we’ll cover the main texts supporting the annihilation of the wicked as well as three logical problems with the Read more about Theology 7 — Annihilationism[…]
In this Behemoth sized episode We are joined by not 1 but 2 guests to discuss what the bible literally says about Hell. Is it an eternity of painful suffering?… Continue reading "Huuuh?Podcast Episode 10: What the Hell?"
In this Behemoth sized episode We are joined by not 1 but 2 guests to discuss what the bible literally says about Hell. Is it an eternity of painful suffering?… Continue reading "Huuuh?Podcast Episode 10: What the Hell?"
In this Behemoth sized episode We are joined by not 1 but 2 guests to discuss what the bible literally says about Hell. Is it an eternity of painful suffering?… Continue reading "Huuuh?Podcast Episode 10: What the Hell?"
In this Behemoth sized episode We are joined by not 1 but 2 guests to discuss what the bible literally says about Hell. Is it an eternity of painful suffering?… Continue reading "Huuuh?Podcast Episode 10: What the Hell?"
Chris Woznicki joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date at the Rethinking Hell 2019 Far West Chapter Symposium to discuss the theological reservations he has about conditional immortality and which prevent him from yet embracing it, despite what he acknowledges is its exegetical strength. This is part 2 of the recording; listen to part 1 with Zachary Seals in episode 118.
Zachary Seals joins Rethinking Hell contributor Chris Date at the Rethinking Hell 2019 Far West Chapter Symposium to discuss the theological reservations he has about conditional immortality and which prevent him from yet embracing it, despite what he acknowledges is its exegetical strength. Also, listen for an important announcement about the upcoming 2019 Rethinking Hell Conference!
Today on the podcast Preston is talking with Chris Date again from the Rethinking Hell podcast. Preston and Chris are taking this episode to address arguments against the Conditionalist's view of hell raised by Stand to Reason's Greg Koukl and Tim Barnett.The arguments Preston and Chris are addressing are from Part 1 and Part 2 of "Hell Interrupted". Chris is the a host and contributor of the Rethinking Hell Podcast and Blog. Chris seeks to take the Bible seriously and promote rigorous study of the scriptures. You can find the Chris's podcast at rethinkinghell.com.The song at the end is Lazarus by Canopy Climbers. Support PrestonSupport Preston by going to patreon.comConnect with PrestonFollow him on Twitter @PrestonSprinkleCheck out his website prestonsprinkle.comIf you enjoy the podcast, be sure to leave a review.
In this episode Kurt talks with Chris Date of Rethinking Hell on the various approaches Christians have to understanding what Hell is like. During the second half of the discussion Chris presents a case for the Conditionalist view.
In this episode Kurt talks with Chris Date of Rethinking Hell on the various approaches Christians have to understanding what Hell is like. During the second half of the discussion Chris presents a case for the Conditionalist view.
Following an article in the New York Times about scholars who adopt an annihilationist (also called 'conditional immortality') view of hell rather than the traditional 'eternal conscious torment' view, Justin is joined by two evangelicals to debate the issue. Dr Al Mohler is President of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He spoke against the annihilationist view in an edition of his daily podcast The Briefing. Chris Date is one of the founders of Rethinking Hell and adopted an annihilationist view after he became convinced the Bible teaches it. They debate the scriptural evidence and whether scholarship is moving away from the traditional view. For the NY Times article: click here. For Rethinking Hell: www.rethinkinghell.com For Al Mohler's The Briefing: http://www.albertmohler.com/category/the-briefing/ For more faith debates visit www.premierchristianradio.com/unbelievable Join the conversation: Facebook and Twitter Get the MP3 podcast of Unbelievable? http://www.kaltura.com/api_v3/getFeed.php?partnerId=618072&feedId=1_jlj47tkv or Via Itunes