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Satch and Leo’s Transmission is a humorous yet honest podcast, fronted by two FTM mates chatting shite about trans rights, plights and drunken nights! From dil-dos and dil-don’ts, to surgery scars and emotional ones, you can expect lots of oversharing but even more laughs! Tune in every Monday!

Joshua "Satch" Satchell, Leo Driver


    • Jul 12, 2022 LATEST EPISODE
    • monthly NEW EPISODES
    • 49m AVG DURATION
    • 37 EPISODES


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    Latest episodes from Satch & Leo's Transmission

    Ep 37: Trans-Formative Songwriting

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 12, 2022 106:42


    We as humans are unified through song; songs connect with us on a deep level and we are exploring exactly how and why in our live show special this week! We have got wonderful guests and experts in the field, Professor Sophie Daniels, PHD Student Thiago and Jonathon Whiskered the Lyric Wizard to help discuss how songwriting can be TRANSformational as we explore the world of song! Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/. If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 36: Trans History 102

    Play Episode Listen Later May 24, 2022 51:47


    We've got another trans history episode for you! We've dug up some more trans heroes to talk about as well as a bit more LGBTQ+ history trivia. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/. If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 35: TRANSport

    Play Episode Listen Later May 12, 2022 51:10


    This episode all about trans people in sport, the ‘fairness' of trans people being able to play in the teams their gender aligns with and what we think of the whole system of segregating genders in sports in general! Here's some links to help support trans people in sport: https://www.change.org/p/world-rugby-keep-rugby-open-to-trans-women-athletes, https://www.onegreenplanet.org/human-interest/petition-stop-anti-trans-sports-legislation/. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/.  If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 34: Our Own Conversion Therapy

    Play Episode Listen Later May 3, 2022 45:16


    So we wanted to make our own kind of conversion therapy… trying our best to convert the shitty things that come with being trans into positives. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/. Also, check out The Agora if you'd like to learn more about your fertility options: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/. If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 33: CONversion Therapy

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2022 70:27


    TRIGGER WARNING: This one's all about conversion therapy. We'll be talking about the decision to exclude trans people from the recent conversion therapy ban in the UK and the implications of this. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/. Also, check out The Agora if you'd like to learn more about your fertility options: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/. If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 32: The Reality for Trans Ukrainians

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 12, 2022 47:46


    Across the globe, we have been restlessly watching the devastating effects of the war currently unfolding across Ukraine. This is of course a tragedy for all of the Ukrainian citizens; In this episode of Transmission we will be focusing on the impact this has had on the LGBTQ+ community in Ukraine. We have medical anthropologist and expert, Dr. Jack Lopez here to help us navigate the subject. Links in bio to the episode and how to support Ukraine. We stand with Ukraine

    Ep 31: Voice Drop the Mic

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 5, 2022 50:36


    This episode is all about how our voices have changed through testosterone. We're going to be sharing our journey's on vocal transition and how this has affected our lives. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/. Also, check out The Agora if you'd like to learn more about your fertility options: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/. If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 30: Toxic Masculini-T

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 29, 2022 62:18


    In this week's episode we tackle the turbulent topic of toxic masculinity. We discuss what exactly ‘toxic masculinity' is and how it impacts trans people as well our cis counterparts. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/. Also, check out The Agora if you'd like to learn more about your fertility options: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/. If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 29: Trans-Parent

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 22, 2022 59:01


    This episode we're chatting all about our very own Satch becoming a parent! We also talk about what it's like to parent as a trans person. We're going to be discussing what it's like to have a crying baby waking you up at 3am and how to deal with it; nothing to do with parenting - just Leo every night! Check it out! Here is the link to our sponsor, The Institute of Contemporary Music Performance (ICMP): https://www.icmp.ac.uk/. Also, check out The Agora if you'd like to learn more about your fertility options: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/. If you are in need of support here are our recommended allies: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support. Support us at: https://www.patreon.com/satchandleostransmission. 

    Ep 28: LGBTQ+ History Month

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 22, 2021 51:32


    In celebration of LGBT History month we've decided to take a trip through time to tell you some amazing stories of some of our transgender heroes of history! As you know, us queer folk have been living and thriving since day one and we think it's about time these peoples lives were celebrated! We also have a cheeky LGBT+ trivia quiz as we all know our Satch LOVES a quiz! Check it out! Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 27: 10QsOverT: Samantha Howard

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2021 58:11


    It's one of those fancy shmancy episodes where we have a very special guest who is excelling in life and killing the game! So this week we having #10QsOverT with the wonderful Samantha Howard! Samantha is Founder of T&Coffee, a community project which provides safe alcohol-free spaces for the trans and gender diverse community. We discuss what inspired her to create such a cool project and what her post pandemic plans for it are! Sammies links: https://twitter.com/tncoffeelgbt, https://www.instagram.com/tncoffeelgbt/ and  https://www.tandcoffee.co.uk/. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 26: Visibili-T

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 9, 2021 61:10


    This episode is all about sharing our stories and breaking down barriers; we talk about how trans people are represented in the media and how that as affected us on a personal level. We also discuss how we feel about telling our own stories and how being open about our trans status effects our lives. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Legali-T

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2021 58:29


    In this weeks episode we discuss laws that are used to further discriminate and ostracise trans people, from not being able to piss where you want, to not even being allowed to live as the authentic you in your own country. This one does get pretty deep but as always we try to put our own comedic slant on it! Hope you enjoy! Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 24: ADICKtion

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 28, 2021 63:32


    TRIGGER WARNING! It get's proper raw in this one; we talk about our experiences with addiction and what we do to manage them, whether it's scrolling on insta or not being able to say no to that 7th tinnie. We discuss the different forms that addiction takes and how being trans can correlate. Don't worry, there's always a few laughs along the way! Helpful links: https://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org.uk/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/healthy-body/drug-addiction-getting-help/ https://www.earwolf.com/episode/why-is-abstinence-still-being-used-to-treat-addiction-w-dr-adi-jaffe/ https://www.netflix.com/title/81284247?s=i&trkid=13747225 https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/ 

    Ep 23: Positivi-T Pt. 2

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 18, 2021 31:18


    Back at you with another sweet dose of positivity! It's hard to get out of a negative funk but talking through the things we're grateful for really helps, so with that being said; here's us just chatting about the good bit's of being trans. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 22: Positivi-T Pt. 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 11, 2021 48:04


    "It's not all doom gloom and cry wanking in your room" - Driver, Leo, 2020. This week we take a look at the many positives that come with being trans. It is sometimes hard to see that there would be any positives at all but we dig them out and discuss them in this week's positively positive podcast! Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 21: Miley Cyrus Corona Virus Ft. Dr Elle

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 30, 2020 52:49


    2020 is out and our new episode is in, back by popular demand we have the wonderful Dr. Elesha , NHS Junior Doctor in A&E and Sexual Wellness Doctor at Kandid ! On this episode we're swapping the sex toys for the surgical masks. We're chatting all things Rona as Dr. Elle explains to is what the fuck is going on with this bloody virus

    Ep 20: Festivi-T

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2020 52:16


    Our first Christmas Special! And what a year it's been - from Corona to queerness, we discuss it all this Xmas for you! This ones just a fun year's round up with our stupid selves answering stupid questions, as always, hope you enjoy! Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 19: Top Surgery (Getting A Load Off Our Chests)

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 14, 2020 39:22


    As if you haven't heard enough of Leo going on about his nipples being too close together, we've got a whole episode of him complaining about them! But not just that don't worry; we talk about the ways you can go about getting surgery, the different types of surgery, and how painful the process is! (The answer is not very if you blag more morphine than you need off the nurse). Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 18: Taking the Piss

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 7, 2020 35:00


    Ever wondered what STP's really work? Or what even is an STP?! Well you're in luck because we'll be answering those questions and many more in our own useless little way, here on Satch & Leo's Transmission! Tune in for embarrassing stories of wetting ourselves all in the name of standing up to take a whiz.  Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 17: 10QsOverT: Kate Nambiar

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 30, 2020 62:30


    We were honoured to have a chat with Kate Nambiar - Doctor at the Gender Identity Clinic in London and Clinic T in Brighton; we talk trans sexual health and general trans healthcare with the infinitely articulate and intellectual Kate - Listen to the end if you want to hear Satch (almost) tear up at Kate's answer to our last Q.  Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 16: Call Me By My Name

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 23, 2020 38:14


    How does a name come about? How do we react when people ask us what our names used to be? Have people ever refused to call us by our names? Answers to those questions and many more as we chat through the naming process. You name it, we chat shit about it! Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 15: Dating (Without A Ting)

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 16, 2020 49:51


    Call us the Smoothie Brother's because this episode is MEGA JUICY. This week we're chatting about all of our failed dating escapades and awkward sex stories. We discuss how to navigate romance when you're trans and suggest some helpful tips that we've found have done us good when it comes to dating. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 14: 10QsOverT: Cole Daniel

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 25, 2020 30:28


    We're back with another episode! This week we're asking #10QsOverT with Cole J Daniel! We talk about Cole's endeavours within modelling, acting, trans advocacy and activism. We also talk about BLM and how it was important to get that bloody dickhead's statue taken down in Cole's hometown of Bristol! We also touch on the fact that his eyes are like pools of honey. Check it out! Cole's Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIH0Gv22CFq_l5ohsG09NPA and his Instagram: https://www.gram.com/ltscoleinsta/. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 13: Testosterone (ly Gone and Grown A Hairy Arse)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2020 34:57


    Just another one for you with just the two of us! In this one we have a chat about what happened when we started taking Testosterone. We let you know what happens and when it starts happening. Do you get a six pack and a voice like Johnny Cash? Nah but in Leo's case you might get a hairy bum hole. By no means are we WebMD so as always take what we say with a pinch of Sustanon. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 12: 10QsOverT: Trystan Reese

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2020 53:34


    Our first ever TRANS-Atlantic guest! We interview the intelligent and illuminating Trystan Reese, where we talk about expanding what it means to be a man, his decision to physically give birth to his son, and trans issues overseas. We also make fun of each other's accents as always. Here's the link to Trystan's website: https://collaborate.consulting/. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 11: SIS-GENDER

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 3, 2020 43:06


    Another sister episode for you! In this one we interview Satch's lovely sister, Chloe! We chat to her about what it was like growing up with a trans brother in a Christian family - we also talk about the amazing work that Chloe does with Pursuit - an awesome charity that helps fund education and other resources for underprivileged children in India. Then as she's a huge Disney nerd we obviously had to ask... Who is the queerest Disney character?! You can check out Pursuit here: https://pursuitinternational.org/. As always here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ and some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/, https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact and  https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 10: TRANS-Sister Radio

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 28, 2020 47:58


    TRIGGER WARNING: We do deal with some tough topics in this one including suicide attempts and racial discrimination. This ones a special one; we're talking to Leo's lovely sister Danielle Haigh, chatting through what it was like growing up in God's own country. We talk through what it's like to be transgender siblings, why it is so important to be yourself, and why fish and chips is so much better up north than it is down south. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/. Here are some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/ https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 9: A-MEN with Pastor Andrew Ramage

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 20, 2020 37:38


    This one's all about RELIGION! In this sparkly new episode featuring the lovely Pastor Andrew Ramage from The Metropolitan Community Church - we discuss Christianity, religion and LGBTQ+ people within it. We ask whether there is a heaven and a hell? Are churches generally more inclusive to LGBTQ+ now? We also discuss kinky role play because how can you not really. Here is the link to the MCC website if you would like to find out more: https://www.mccbrighton.org.uk/ Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ Here are some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/ https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 8: FTM Fitness with Sam Barnes Lifestyle

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 13, 2020 30:04


    In this episode we've got Sam Barnes, Online Coach and Personal Trainer here to answer our burning fitness questions! We ask him what's the best exercises for trans men pre and post top surgery along with how we can manage our anxiety in male changing rooms. Sam also shows us what he's made of by doing some push-ups, live! Check out this episode and we promise by the end of it you'll be well on your way to having a six pack just like us. Here is the link to our sponsor, The Agora: https://agoraclinic.co.uk/ Here are some links if you are in need of support: https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/ https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support

    Ep 7: DICK-tionary

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 6, 2020 42:18


    We're back at you with another episode, this time we're on the road! The Euro Tunnel has finally opened up for non-essential travel so we decided to go down there and open up ourselves. With more stupid anecdotes and explaining some LGBTQ+ terms along the way, we cover words and phrases we do know and some we don't in this mish mash of European madness. Big thanks to our sponsor, The Agora Clinic (https://agoraclinic.co.uk/) and here are some other links if you are in need of support: Mermaids (https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us), All Sorts (https://allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact), Stonewall (https://youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support).

    Ep 6: Fertili-T

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 29, 2020 36:59


    We're back with a new episode! This one's all about fertility, we learn so much on this one. There's loads of sciencey shit as we explore different fertility options for trans people. TRIGGER WARNING: Some of the stuff we talk about in this episode may be triggering as it is very 'biological' and features terminology and vocabulary that may be uncomfortable but it really is worth a listen. 

    Ep 5: JK Trolling & the Chamber of T.E.R.F.'s

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2020 57:44


    In this episode we discuss the transphobic statements made by famous author, JK Rowling. We also play shag/marry/kill with the characters because why not. Big thanks to our sponsor, The Agora Clinic (https://agoraclinic.co.uk/) and here are some other links if you are in need of support: Mermaids (https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us), All Sorts (https://allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact), Stonewall (https://youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support). 

    Ep 4: Dildo's & Dildon't's

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 15, 2020 45:03


    This episode is all about SEX! We talk to Elle Vooght resident sexual wellness doctor at Kandid.com, sex toy company designed with LGBT people in mind. We ask her all about sexual fantasies, masterbation and what sex toys she recommends! We also divulge our own sexual fantasies along with awkward sex stories and find out if a good one night stand really exists?! Links to Kandid and Elesha's socials! https://kandid.com/ https://twitter.com/DrElesha https://www.instagram.com/eleshav https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUttYbrSDvg

    Ep 3: Stupid Questions

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2020 55:18


    This week we discuss stupid questions that trans people get asked far too often! From what's in your pants (trains apparently) to how do trans men do it (possibly with Mary Poppins) we cover all the important stuff in our usual hard hitting, serious, articulate manner... ;-)Big thank you to our sponsor, The Agora Clinic (https://agoraclinic.co.uk/) and here are some other links if you are in need of support Mermaids(https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/), All Sorts(https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact), Stonewall(https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support). 

    Ep 2: 10QsOverT: Fox & Owl

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 1, 2020 36:48


    In this episode we discuss what it means to be Non-Binary with special guests, Fox and Owl!  We find out all about how they met and fell in looovee, and all their creative talents that they use to benefit the trans community. We also get to the nitty gritty about their famous ‘This Morning' interview with Piers Morgan and Susanna Reid! Check out their work at www.mygenderation.com & www.foxfisher.com). Big thank you to our sponsor, The Agora Clinic (https://agoraclinic.co.uk/) and here are some other links if you are in need of support Mermaids (https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/), All Sorts (https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact), Stonewall (https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support). 

    Ep 1: Coming Out

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2020 26:38


    It only makes sense for our first episode to be about coming out! We discuss our own coming out stories and it gets JUICY! Highlights include finding out Leo's drag persona, a drunken confession at Burger King and the creation of a new accessory, the “purse-shoe”! Big thank you to our sponsor, The Agora Clinic (https://agoraclinic.co.uk/) and here are some other links if you are in need of support Mermaids (https://mermaidsuk.org.uk/contact-us/), All Sorts (https://www.allsortsyouth.org.uk/contact), Stonewall (https://www.youngstonewall.org.uk/get-support). 

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