Podcast appearances and mentions of jamie katuna

In the first of two special Mother’s Day podcasts, I’m in the guest chair along with my daughter, Jamie Katuna. Podcaster Keith Carlson, RN, (aka “Nurse Keith”) starts this interview by asking how we influenced and inspired each other as mom and daughter, in medicine and in leadership roles. I talk about my admiration for Jamie’s intellectual curiosity and her willingness to take risks. Nurse Keith corroborates this by describing how he discovered Jamie on her aptly-named “Speak Out Medicine” Instagram account. As a medical student, she used her social media platforms to both speak out and to be vulnerable about the challenges in medical school. In this interview, we discuss the leadership lens that influenced Jamie’s thinking and her questions when she interviewed for her residency position. One of Jamie’s medical school rotations allowed her to see what profound physician autonomy looks like. She worked with Dr. Jenn Lentz (LTL episode #17) who left corporate medicine to start her own direct primary care practice. Jamie contrasts this with what autonomy means to physicians and others in larger teams and in organizations. Jamie discusses her novel interest in combining an emergency medicine career with caring for a small panel of patients where she is able to practice in-depth preventive medicine. Nurse Keith mentions problems brought into sharp relief during the pandemic, when the business school mindset (BSM) of many leaders was exposed by their disregard for the actual humans within the organization. We discuss the dramatically underestimated costs of turnover in toxic cultures and the lack of attention to this critical measure. Nurse Keith, Jamie and I linger for a while on the concept of a “cone of protection” that excellent leaders provide by taking the heat from leaders above them, while sheltering their direct reports. We also talk about where excellent organizational cultures originate (spoiler alert: The Top) and how the neuroscience concept of “CARB” (clarity, autonomy, respect, and belonging) can be used to help reduce threat in the workplace and improve everyone’s performance.This episode is excerpted from a podcast that originally aired November 6, 2020 on the Nurse Keith Show.https://fahyconsulting.com/podcast/

On episode 295 of The Nurse Keith Show career and healthcare podcast, Keith interviews Jamie Katuna, a 4th-year medical student and medical social media influencer, and her mother, Dr. Patty Fahy, MD, a physician leader, podcaster, and leadership consultant. What is it like to have two dynamic women and physicians in the same family? This brilliant duo will inspire you to think critically, challenge the status quo, and be your best.  Nurse Keith is a holistic career coach for nurses, as well as a professional podcaster, published author, inspiring speaker, and successful nurse entrepreneur.  This episode is brought to you by EHR Go. Go is a simulated Electronic Health Record with a catalog of realistic and diverse patient care scenarios included. Go helps educators teach a human-centered approach to technology in healthcare. Find out more at HealthPodcastNetwork.com/gokeith.  The Nurse Keith Show is a proud member of Ars Longa Media, a collaborative network of podcasts and media entities adding a humanistic touch to professional education, educate the public from a scientifically informed perspective, and improve lives by addressing social ills. The Nurse Keith Show is also a proud member of The Health Podcast Network, one of the largest and fastest-growing collections of authoritative, high-quality podcasts taking on the tough topics in health and care with empathy, expertise, and a commitment to excellence. Show notes NurseKeith.com Facebook.com/NurseKeithCoaching Twitter.com/nursekeith Instagram.com/nursekeithcoaching LinkedIn.com/in/keithallancarlson

Jamie Katuna (@SpeakOutMedicine) discusses Coronavirus, positives and negatives of social media, and politics. Jamie is a blogger, and highlights ways to improve medical culture.

Jamie Katuna (@SpeakOutMedicine) discusses Coronavirus, positives and negatives of social media, and politics. Jamie is a blogger, and highlights ways to improve medical culture.

Jamie Katuna, @SpeakOutMedicine, is a medical student who is a strong advocate for improving the medical system. She writes thought provoking articles, and challenges the status quo. Many of her pieces have been featured on KevinMD.com. In addition, she produces videos, and has appeared on numerous podcasts. Jamie has a passion for improving diabetes and obesity management, and commits to improving how physicians handle these challenges.

Jamie Katuna, @SpeakOutMedicine, is a medical student who is a strong advocate for improving the medical system. She writes thought provoking articles, and challenges the status quo. Many of her pieces have been featured on KevinMD.com. In addition, she produces videos, and has appeared on numerous podcasts. Jamie has a passion for improving diabetes and obesity management, and commits to improving how physicians handle these challenges.

Introduction Jamie Katuna is an absolutely awe-inspiring spoken word medical artist. She takes on controversial topics and issues in the healthcare space and creates dialogue through this medium. Her dream is to make healthcare a better place for all by challenging the status quo. Of note, she has been featured on the popular physician blog Kevinmd.com, and her videos have become so viral that she has already reached millions. Please listen in to this inspiring medical student, check out her links below, and get a look at the many great points of discussion in the notes section. Links: Facebook                 instagram              Youtube              snapchat: jamie_katuna   Example Video: "Doctors Get Paid Way Too Much, Right?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mSWCClM84E Notes Introduction -Played College basketball -Took a defer year, between college and medical school -Touro Osteopathic medicine unique situation, don't normally hear about a defer year -Able to dive into what she wants to do this year   How did you decide to take a year off? -had an opportunity to go to Tanzania -invited on the trip and the school allowed her to attend -wanted some time in between to recollect alongside taking the trip   How did the school feel about taking the year off?  -They were great about it -submitted a formal request with the school and they granted it -not too much push back -The school wants to take care of students message: medical students - you don't have to do things in a linear format -strength and conditioning coach, parents, many examples of people taking time off -many unique and variable paths, "create your own experience" -"medical school will always be there"   Why medical school?  -both parents are physicians -dad created business with neurointeroperative monitoring -mom does leadership consulting with hospitals -medical degree opens doors -a great means to create a lot of change -obsessed with health and fitness -There plenty of people don't feel passionate about the path -"feels necessary" instead of actually wanting to do it -Great Point: at what point in your life will you do what you want to do?   What are your current projects? -She creates specific art of combining medicine with spoken word and rap -She creates healthcare topics on an accessible platform - Already creating change through opinions and voice -Approaches something calculated in an artistic way -her approach: how do you get information from obscure journals into news feeds of people effected by the healthcare system -Take what you love and combine it with information you are learning  -Story of 15 year old - already cutting out classes to be a medical student, what else can you bring to the table? Keep your extracurricular and works that you love.  -Energy comes when you do what you love   What is your vision in medicine, what do you hope to create?  -short answer: "the best case scenario" -long answer: There are lots of details, I will get stumped on. I want more integrative care, more primary care, less tertiary care. I want a masters in public health to see physician's role in policy and planning take place. -I want to create the best-case scenario - what would the ultimate vision be for this specific niche   What have you heard about medical culture so far  -draining, demeaning -There's a hierarchy -A student is the bottom of the totem poll -Burnout is a word of abuse -Suicide epidemic with students and physicians -The healthcare system is unhealthy which is a paradox   How are you going to protect yourself in an environment like this? -Having all of Pamela Wible's teachings -ZDogg -Lots of people have given her support in her work -Videos and projects energize her -This is exactly what I want to be doing -In my downtime this is what I want to do any way -The work will sustain itself because I love it. -If you feel resistance when you are doing something - it is draining by nature -if you feel pulled to something - it's calling you - it is energizing.  -I'm being pulled by these projects to help people -Healthy for people to dive into their creative projects   What would you tell a younger self about the journey and getting started? -I was so lucky, my parents would read articles and discuss with me -embrace the creative side of me sooner -fell victim to mindset of - "just make sure application looks good" -really dive deep down inside and find what makes you excited and find weird creative projects -dive into creativity...but what usually stops us,  is fear...   On the topic of fear -What if people don't like it? -When you do something for others, then fear plays a role -but if the work is self-sustaining and self-energizing, it is impervious to outside perception -my sister has a popular blog: corakatuna.com -One of her articles: "Just [effing] start" -just decided to work on her projects -just by starting and putting it out there - it has had amazing impacts -fear does not come into consciousness when you are so in alignment with what you want to be doing -Medical students begin to be afraid of their voice, people get afraid of making mistakes   How do you deal with judgment (paraphrased) -Silver lining: I am creating dialogue -if someone hates it, I learn a new perspective -in medicine there is a right and wrong answer -Creative works are discussion based and have an opinion -I discuss things before I release it, I want to get a feel of opinions before I post something -Once it's out there I have to be vulnerable and courageous and accept criticism -I want to highlight: mentorship - ask yourself who's already doing it? - Study what works. Literal mentors to speak to - check/critique your work.  -if you know one person likes it, there's going to be more   Video on burnout -the term is abusive in itself -brutal to administration -feedback was astounding, resonated strongly -People saying: "this is exactly what I've tried to say for thirty years" - the only way to find out if it works is doing it first, finding out after.   Acceptance you can fail -if you aren't failing, you aren't learning -example: she created a video on gun use and medicine -had many individuals who hated the video - people calling her a failure -reframe the dislike to "debate and discussion" -Saying things that are controversial isn't bad, the controversial stuff is what we should be talking about. Where do we meet in our knowledge?  -Video was most successful because it pissed people off, when you create an emotion in someone... they are thinking about your video. -Change in failure: take failure and use it as fuel, I'm excited I do not know things, let's learn more. Shift the dialogue   What message do you have to younger pre-medical students and to early medical students? -Premeds: dive into "is this what you love?" Yes? Everyone has good grades and volunteer work. What makes you different, creative projects, extracurricular, etc. - To the Early Medical Students: I don't know how to message these people, it's like voicing my opinion upwards, not sure if I'm allowed to do that. (I highlighted this point because I do think it's an interesting question. Are younger students allowed to critique those ahead of them? How do people feel about this subject?) -Change the mindset of your dialogue: What is a road block and what is an opportunity? instead of being overcome by the system, look at the way the system is faulty [if you are upset by it] and be an agent of change and get involved in leadership.   How would you tell someone to work on their vision? -I would ask people what they do when they don't think anyone is going to see it -"some people sing in the shower", "some people write in their journals", "some people draw or make graphic design" -> That's the passion -hone in on those skills and "just effing start" -everyone has that thing that they love that they are not supposed to be doing in medicine, but that's exactly what you should be doing -be okay with not being ready and take the first step -when you are getting navigation guidelines - you don't get the next step until you take the first step   How would you imagine the perfect or ideal medical training -Centered on students and individualize students -Teach entrepreneurship in medicine -Teach leadership -Would promote creativity -Medicine should be hard, but it doesn't have to come with frustrations, bullying, or hazing -Things can be difficult but fulfilling -> we are all in this together  -Doesn't feel like competition... feels like teamwork and collaboration, entrepreneurship and leadership -There are certain aspects of medicine that make me feel terrible, so it means the things I must work on are so much more powerful -Reframe challenges into positive experiences for change   What is happiness to you? -fulfillment, helping other people, doing what you love     What is the best advice you've received from a mentor -"Don't worry about sounding too idealistic or dumb, stick to what you are doing, you are going to be a voice for your millennial physicians, and while older generations can be cynical or patronizing... don't let it distract from your focus and why you are doing this. Your generation is going to be the one that transforms healthcare because it has no other choice". -millennials are really the difference, they are the change agents -We base leaders off of age and experience but the truth is the truth. No matter where you are at in your position, you need to humble yourself and know there is something to learn.   Any favorite books, bloggers, or materials that have inspired you? -Pamela Wible - she's a positive voice for change and is awesome - doctor Pamela Wible is a good place to start (http://www.idealmedicalcare.org/blog/) ->Spoke to me for an hour or an hour and-a-half when I reached out to her ->She didn't have to make a phone call with you, that was in total alignment with her vision -Zdogg MD -> he has really great ideas and ted talks on new changes in medicine (http://zdoggmd.com/) -Dr. Mark Shapiro - explore the space podcast (http://thedoctorparadox.com/markshapiro/) -Dr. Paddy Barrett - Doctor paradox (http://thedoctorparadox.com/) -Silly but informative show - Doctor I am Sorry   Any significant conflict in your life that helped you improve as a person  -broke her left foot 3 times in basketball -whole friend circle is her team, so it was a difficult experience to adjust -Tried to come back to fast before things were healed -heal myself before I get back into basketball and learning that lesson. Learn to take care of my body. -Learned how to become a support through this experience -There is an opportunity in every challenge -Important to have a reframe to create the positive out of situations: finding the silver lining (a common theme in happy people)   How do you think it feels when something isn't cultivating health but is injuring you? The example being going into medicine and working in something you do not love -What did you do when constantly injured yourself -Had to look at my values, I thought my whole identity was playing again -What I needed to do was reidentify my identity   How do you cultivate a rest time [into medicine]? -pushing and pushing it [Jamie's ankle injury], kept me out for longer -by trying to stay in the game, I was kept out of the game -if I said, I need to rest, I need to take a step back, then I could have come back in a lot sooner -in medicine: pushing pushing pushing, doing something you don't like, feeling burnt out... this isn't sustainable. Taking a step back, reidentify your values and be able to reenter the game again.   

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Jamie Katuna about challenging the healthcare status quo with medical spoken word. Are you passionate about health? Jamie Katuna is challenging the status quo with her spoken word videos on topics related to medicine and healthcare. She makes complex, exclusive ideas much more accessible and engaging for a mainstream audience. In this episode, Jamie talks about the difficulty of being a doctor and the benefits to choosing your own clients. Listen to the end to hear a live spoken word performance.

Dr. Veronica Anderson, Host, Functional Medicine Specialist and Medical Intuitive interviews Jamie Katuna about challenging the healthcare status quo with medical spoken word. Are you passionate about health? Jamie Katuna is challenging the status quo with her spoken word videos on topics related to medicine and healthcare. She makes complex, exclusive ideas much more accessible and engaging for a mainstream audience. In this episode, Jamie talks about the difficulty of being a doctor and the benefits to choosing your own clients. Listen to the end to hear a live spoken word performance.   Dr. Veronica Anderson's Links:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/drveronicaanderson/ https://www.facebook.com/drveronicaanderson/ https://twitter.com/DrVeronicaEyeMD?lang=en https://www.pinterest.com/drveronicaeyemd/?eq=dr.%20veronica&etslf=14837 https://www.instagram.com/drveronica/?hl=en     Time Stamps: 03:14 - Balancing basketball and medical school 05:55 - Is being a doctor difficult? 07:01 - Being a pregnant intern 09:12 - Why people are unappreciative of doctors 13:12 - Working with clients you choose 16:07 - Live spoken work 17:14 - Depression in physicians   _______________________________ Dr. Veronica Anderson is an MD, Functional Medicine practitioner, Homeopath. and Medical Intuitive. As a national speaker and designer of the Functional Fix and Rejuvenation Journey programs, she helps people who feel like their doctors have failed them. She advocates science-based natural, holistic, and complementary treatments to address the root cause of disease. Dr. Veronica is a highly-sought guest on national television and syndicated radio and hosts her own radio show, Wellness for the REAL World, on FOX Sports 920 AM “the Jersey” on Mondays at 7:00 pm ET.   To get started transforming your health, schedule a consult HERE.

Heart failure treatment (1:10), patient-centered communication (5:40), membrane sweeping (10:20), opiate withdrawal (12:20), and “Primary Care Dreams” video by Jamie Katuna and Kyle Cowper (14:40).