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On this episode, we are joined by keyboardist and songwriter Ojo Taylor, guitarist and writer Gym Nicholson, long-time lead vocalist Sim Wilson, and drummer Gary Olsen of the Orange County rock band Undercover for an expansive conversation recorded in front of a live audience at the Audiofeed Festival in Illinois. Undercover emerged in the early 1980s at the pole position of the frenetic “second wave” of Jesus Rock that saw an explosion of New Wave, Punk, Rock, and pop bands like Lifesavors, Altar Boys, Lifters, Common Bond, Crumbacher, Youth Choir, and others fill high school auditoriums, bowling alleys, parks, and church youth halls with a righteous racket that thrilled teens, worried some parents, and eventually set the stage for the big business era of Christian rock in the 90s. Ojo Taylor not only led Undercover, though, he was also a curator of this bourgeoning scene – managing labels, producing albums, and putting together one of the most important early compilation albums – which spins when we crank up the now sticker-covered Jukebox for an overview of those heady, loud, formative years. Ojo made more waves in what's left of this underground community when he publicly admitted that he no longer holds the same religious beliefs for which he rocked so passionately back in the day. Like others, his personal spiritual journey has taken him in a direction that does not include the Evangelical faith of his younger years. But earlier this year, when a Christian music festival invited the long-defunct band to reunite for a special show, they agreed – and rocked Audiofeed (and before that, the Anaheim House of Blues) quite successfully. Why would a band with differing beliefs agree to gigs like those? As Ojo says, “Belief is overrated. Agreement is overrated. Love is underrated.” Find full Show Notes, including photos and video from Undercover's set at Audiofeed HERE or at TrueTunes.com/Undercover Undercover Music List Opening Segment Phil Keaggy & Rex Paul – Full Circle (podcast theme) Undercover – Man, O, Man; World Come Crashing Down; He's In Love With You Interview Segment Undercover – Excuse Us; I'll Be a Fool; Daddy-O; God Rules; Cry Myself to Sleep; Darkest Hour; Is Anyone Thirsty?; Work It Out; Devotion; Dark Night; Bridge of Life; One to One; Promenade; Land of Luxury The Altar Boys – I'm Into God Freedom of Soul – Caught in a Land of Time JUKEBOX Blessed Hope – Something More Bob & Joy Cull – Sail Away Undercover – One of These Days The Proclaimers (U.S.) – Rejoice Stephen Crumbächer – It Don't Matter Youth Choir – It's So Wonderful The Lifters – Listen Children The Omega Band – Idols Sharon McCall – From the Grave C.I.A. – Your Choice Malcolm and the Mirrors – Apathy The Altar Boys – Go for You Lifesavers – She's On Fire SFC – Phase III Adam Again – Eyes Wide Open The Electrics – Get to Heaven The Violet Burning – Low (Third Wave) The Prayer Chain – Chatterbox (Third Wave) D.A.S. – Beautiful World (Third Wave) Dakoda Motor Co. – Wind ‘N' Sea (Fourth Wave) Mortal – Paradigm One (Fourth Wave) Fold Zandura – Deep Surround Seven Day Jesus – Strength Spot Breaks Phil Keaggy & Mike Pachelli – Maccadocious (Two of Us)
University Professor and former bassist for the Christian punk band "Undercover" Ojo Taylor returns to discuss a recent blog post he wrote as he turned 65. Getting older ain't easy but Ojo reflects on the benefits that ageing brings including wisdom, perspective, and an understanding of what's really important in life. And of course with his very public transition from Christian musician to atheism we go on frequent tangents discussing God, faith, the nature of belief, and morality without religion...among other things! Go Beyond the Pale with Ojo Taylor! 5:23 - Conversation begins 10:23 - When "friends" unfriend over belief differences 15:57 - Discussing ageing, mortality, and stages of life 16:32 - The benefits of therapy 24:48 - Comparing ourselves to others 25:52 - With age, "Time" becomes our currency 44:56 - No longer trying to "save the world for Jesus" 53:10 - Discussing morality without religion
In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we chat with ex-Christian punker Ojo Taylor about his experience in the ministry, his band Undercover, and his more recent spiritual deconstruction. Biebers involve elevators and media mispronunciations. Follow Ojo on his blog at ojotaylor.com and on Twitter @ojotaylor! Photo of Ojo by Rich Brimer.
In this episode we catch up with Ojo Taylor, formerly of the Christian punk band Undercover. Join us as we discuss pretty much everything from sin and ethics, to whether America can still be the bulwark of stability it has been in the past. Along the way Ojo questions whether Christians should be promoting a God that requires a blood sacrifice in order to forgive....and other hot button topics. Go Beyond the Pale with Ojo Taylor! Episode Index: 1:13- “(Intro) Steve & Tammy discuss how to love people radically even when its hard 21:47- Talk with Ojo Taylor begins 22:22- When your country goes off the rails 32:28- How Ojo’s friends have reacted to his “de-conversion” 37:06- Evolving beyond the “Volcano god” 40:01- Should we fear or embrace “secularisation?” 53: 30- Ethics & Sin 1:07:19- Some hope for America 1:16:32- When Christian musicians lose their prophetic voice
Part 1 features music from Incandescent, Escape From The Fallen Planet, and Thunder Beach. – In Frontline Records Rewind Episode 73, host Les Carlsen gets together with Crumbacher members Stephen Crumbacher, Dawn Wisner Johnson and Jimmy Wisner, and into their "party in a box"Â pop-dance style. Stephen talks about breaks he got in the early 1980's when he submitted a demo tape to Maranatha! Music, which lead to a track on MRC and Broken Records compilations, which lead to their 3 albums released on Frontline Records: Escape From The Fallen Planet, Thunder Beach and Tame The Volcano. The group's multi-keyboard style was attractive to Ojo Taylor of Undercover, who produced the first tracks. They also surprised Ojo when all three members gathered around a studio microphone and belted out their epic harmonies. In this episode, listeners are treated to an acappella intro of "Interstellar Satellite". Stephen wrote Crumbacher's deep lyrics, with Biblical foundation. In fact, he provided scripture references supporting each song, which is why their music is timeless. The three original members are kind of timeless too, attending the same High School in Southern California and their families are still close today. Listeners get to experience the harmony of their relationship and vocals in this rare interview.
Steve continues his interview with Ojo Taylor from the punk band Undercover. Along the way they explore more of Ojo's experiences coming out of the Christian faith while navigating the legacy of having been a voice and catalyst for people's faith within Christianity. Show Notes 17:05- Fans discover Ojo has left the faith 22:20- Applying reason and logic to life 32:46- Is everyone who loves born of God? 47:26- Ojo on "belief systems"
Ojo Taylor, bassist, keyboardist, and vocalist for the renown Christian punk band "Undercover" shares with Steve the journey he has travelled from being a voice within Christianity to the chance encounter that forced him to question, and ultimately abandon, his faith. Along the way Steve suggests he has, perhaps, become more "Christ-like" in the process. Show Index: 10:15- A Catholic Childhood 18:47- "Undercover" begins 28:47- More Christian as an "Atheist"? 30:00- Christian "tribalism" 49:02- The encounter that changed everything
Frontline Christmas Compilation – Rewind Episode 29 includes music from “Frontline Presents… Christmasâ€. This newly released 15-track collection features contemporary Christian music trendsetters performing assorted Christmas songs, including Jon Gibson’s “Everybody Sing a Christmas Songâ€, rockin’ versions of “Silent Night†by Deliverance and Altar Boys, mellow arrangements of traditional carols by Lanny Cordola from his “Blues For The Child†album, and selections from the classic, “The Broken Christmas†album produced by Gene Eugene and Ojo Taylor, among others. This show is sure to rock your holiday spirit!
Crumbacher's Incandescent re-release. Featuring Interviews with Steven Crumbacher and Dawn Johnson – Frontline Records Rewind Episode 22 features music from synth-pop artist, Crumbacher, specifically the band’s first album, Incandescent. It released in 1985 on vinyl and cassette and digitally from the Frontline Records Vault this week. Executive Producer, Adel Meisenheimer, interviews founding members, Stephen Crumbacher, Jim Wisner and Dawn Wisner-Johnson, plus Incandescent producer, Ojo Taylor of Undercover. Listeners will be engaged as Crumbacher reminisces about how their music journey began.
Talk about regret, the past, and growing up with Christian Rock.
Guests: Joe (Ojo) Taylor, Grammy Award winning Christian songwriter turned agnostic and Philip Appleman, Poet, Author (New book: Perfidious Proverbs)