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Co-hosts (and ex-pastors) Jason Stellman and Christian Kingery discuss politics, religion, and culture over drinks.

Drunk Ex-Pastors


    • Jun 6, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
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    Ivy Insights

    The Drunk Ex-Pastors podcast is a captivating and enlightening show that explores various topics with a unique perspective. Since late 2015, I have been an avid listener and have found their insights on religion, politics, and culture to be incredibly insightful. One of the best aspects of this podcast is the variety of topics covered and how each episode has its own personality. The hosts, Jason and Christian, are entertaining and their banter keeps the conversation engaging. They also openly acknowledge their biases, which sets them apart from other internet personalities.

    While there are many positive aspects to The Drunk Ex-Pastors podcast, it's worth noting that some listeners may not appreciate the casual and at times irreverent tone. However, for those who enjoy a more relaxed approach to discussing serious topics, this can be seen as a refreshing change of pace. Additionally, while the hosts do a great job at providing thought-provoking perspectives, there may be times when listeners disagree with their viewpoints. However, this can lead to valuable conversations and further exploration of differing opinions.

    In conclusion, The Drunk Ex-Pastors podcast is a must-listen for those looking for engaging discussions on religion, politics, and culture. While it may not be everyone's cup of tea due to its casual tone and potential differences in opinion, it offers valuable insights that challenge traditional perspectives in an entertaining way. I highly recommend giving this podcast a try - you might just find yourself hooked like I did!



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    Latest episodes from Drunk Ex-Pastors

    Podcast #535, Religion: On Superbeings and Dogma

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 6, 2025 30:59


    In our Religion Block we talk about the propriety of the Christian waiting for a “Superbeing” to save him, and apply Bonhoeffer's “Religionless Christianity” to this issue. We then hear from a caller asking for clarification on what “dogma” is and what it means to say that it cannot be changed.

    Podcast #534, Politics: Voting Rights and the “Big Beautiful Tax Bill”

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 4, 2025 38:28


    In this week's Politics Block we take a call from a listener asking about the Save Act and what, if any, restrictions should be placed on potential voters' rights. We then discuss Trump's “Big Beautiful Tax Bill,” seeking to determine just how progressive or regressive it actually is. We close with a brief teaser about the effect Modern Monetary Theory might have on the tax issue.

    Podcast #533, Culture: Is Artificial Intelligence Replacing Intelligence?

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 2, 2025 47:56


    In this week's Culture Block we hear from a listener expressing some doubts about the legitimacy of Deadbots, which springboards into a conversation regarding just how helpful AI really is. We discuss the potentially dangerous ramifications of outsourcing our mental skills to computers, and where this could potentially leave us if continued unchecked.  

    Podcast #532, Religion: Religious Ghettos and Sharia Law

    Play Episode Listen Later May 23, 2025 42:24


    In our Religion Block we hear from Pastor Jack Hibbs about how horrible it is for Muslims to create their own cultural and religious ghettos (even though when Christians and Jews do it it's perfectly fine). We springboard to immigration and discuss the proper relationship of the one to the many.  

    Podcast #531, Politics: Liberals Eating their Own

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2025 35:29


    In this week's Politics Block we engage with Bill Maher's latest “New Rule” on the topic of liberals insisting on purity tests to judge how enlightened and woke their fellow Democrats are. We also apply this to the dating world, where a similar dynamic exists.

    Podcast #530, Culture: Deadbots and Living Humans

    Play Episode Listen Later May 19, 2025 35:59


    In this week's Culture Block we discuss the latest AI marvel: “Deadbots,” which enable grieving people to continue “talking” with their deceased loved ones. We weigh in on whether this is a good or bad thing, as well as its potential abuses.

    Podcast #529, Religion: The American Pope

    Play Episode Listen Later May 16, 2025 39:56


    In our Religion Block we talk about Bishop Robert Prevost's election to the papacy as Pope Leo XIV, addressing the question of to what degree, if any, the conservative trajectory among American Catholics informed or influenced the Vatican's decision to choose him to fill the office.

    Podcast #528, Politics: Health Care and the President's Personality

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2025 36:39


    In this week's Politics Block we share some firsthand experience of how broken our health care system is in this country, and then we hear from a listener with some push-back against our coverage of Bill Maher's experience having dinner with Trump at the White House.

    Podcast #527, Culture: 5 Most Impactful Albums, Part 2

    Play Episode Listen Later May 12, 2025 33:04


    In this week's Culture Block we continue our discussion about the five albums that have had the greatest personal impact on our lives, albums that we have listened to from start to finish more often than any others.

    Podcast #526, Religion: Suspicion of (Catholic) Empire and the “Meaning” of Good Friday

    Play Episode Listen Later May 9, 2025 33:11


    In our Religion Block we address a question from a patron about balancing an admiration of the Catholic Church with a healthy and Exilic suspicion of Empire. We then launch into another segment of “Pastor Jack's Off,” during which we laugh at Pastor Jack Hibbs's attempt at explaining Good Friday. 

    Podcast #525, Politics: Trump's First 100 Days

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2025 38:42


    In DXP's Politics Block we discuss the historic polling about Trump's performance after his first 100 days in office, as well as how trustworthy and helpful polling such as this is.

    Podcast #524, Culture: 5 Most Impactful Albums, Part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later May 5, 2025 31:03


    In this week's Culture Block we discuss the five albums that have had the greatest personal impact on our lives, albums that we have listened to from start to finish more often than any others.

    Podcast #523, Religion: Jack Hibbs, Pope Francis, and being "Born Again"

    Play Episode Listen Later May 2, 2025 47:22


    In this week's Religion Block we listen to Pastor Jack Hibbs's report of the death of Pope Francis, discussing the former's insistence on the pope being born again as well as the connection between the papacy and the Exile/Empire paradigm outlined in our last Religion Block. Jason then addresses some questions from our patrons about the issue of Sola Scriptura.

    Podcast #522, Politics: Mr. Maher Goes to Washington

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2025 51:44


    In this week's DXP Politics Block we discuss Bill Maher's recounting of his visit to the White House and spending a few hours with his mortal enemy, Donald Trump. We reflect on Maher's surprising (even to him) account of Trump's behavior and overall demeanor, as well as the question of whether he should have accepted the invitation in the first place.

    Podcast #521, Culture: On Sinners and “Astronauts”

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 28, 2025 40:21


    In this week's DXP Culture Block we discuss the new film, The Sinner, which made Christian frustrated (not because he didn't like it, but because he didn't like it as much as the glowing reviews made him expect to). Then we turn our attention to the heroic, unprecedented, and death-defying trip that some celebrities took to space for eleven minutes or something.

    Podcast #520, Religion: Exile & Empire

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 18, 2025 34:27


    In this week's Religion block of Drunk Ex-Pastors Jason sets forth a broad paradigm for looking at religion and Christian themes: Exile/Empire. We unpack the meanings of these categories and see how they apply to common themes found in evangelicalism such as dogma, canon, and essentials/non-essentials.

    Podcast #519, Politics: What Do Tariffs Alone Accomplish?

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 16, 2025 35:13


    In this episode of DXP we dive into the tariffs discussion, pointing out their usefulness within the context of a fully-orbed commitment to American workers, while doubting their utility in isolation from such a plan. We also highlight the irony of so-called Leftists praising free trade agreements. 

    Podcast #518, Culture: The Case against Russell Brand

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 14, 2025 30:14


    With this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we are trying out a new format! In this first of three weekly blocks we focus on culture, and specifically the sexual assault and rape case against English comedian and political commentator Russell Brand. We reflect on the odd nature of the timeline of events leading to the charges being filed, as well as the challenging nature of these types of cases (especially when focused on events from several decades ago.  

    Podcast #517: Movie-Memory Lane IV

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 7, 2025 85:04


    In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we continue our trip down memory lane, highlighting the movies we have seen that have had a big impact on our lives. We focus on the years 2007 to the present day, chatting about Interstellar, Whiplash, About Time, Midnight in Paris, and lots of others.  

    Podcast #516: Movie-Memory Lane III

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 31, 2025 103:26


    In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we continue our trip down memory lane, highlighting the movies we have seen that have had a big impact on our lives. We focus on the years 1998 – 2007, chatting about the Lord of the Rings trilogy, The Notebook, Garden State, and lots of others.

    Podcast #515: Movie-Memory Lane II

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 24, 2025 109:45


    We begin this episode with some banter about the Lakers game that Jason took his dad to, and then we continue our respite from all things political and divisive by discussing the movies that most impacted us. This week we go from 1987-1997, talking about such films as Say Anything, Forrest Gump, Braveheart, and Good Will Hunting — sharing what we were going through at the time we saw them, how they affected us, and how we feel about them so many years later.

    Podcast #514: Movie-Memory Lane

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 17, 2025 105:13


    In this episode we take a much-needed break from politics and dedicate the majority of the episode to taking a walk down Movie-Memory Lane. We begin the year we each saw our very first movie in a theater (1977), and then list the films we remember seeing, why we enjoyed them, and how they impacted us. We make it to 1987, and will pick up from there in our next episode.

    Podcast #513: The ER, the Oscars, and Immigration

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 10, 2025 85:40


    In this episode of DXP we hear from Christian about his latest visit to the ER, and Jason shares his final update on his mom. We discuss the Oscars and the issue of celebrity culture more broadly, wondering if the time of rich entertainers lecturing the public is finally over. We discuss the show Severance, and then hear from a caller about whether Trump dehumanizes immigrants.

    Podcast #512: Ancestry, Blind Spots, and So-Called Fascism

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 24, 2025 87:55


    We begin this episode of DXP by discussing Taylor Sheridan, and his shows Yellowstone and Land Man in particular. Christian shares what he has learned from Ancestry.com, and then gives us an Oscar update. We talk about the book Blind Spots, and then hear from a caller asking for clarity on our segment about Jon Stewart and the so-called fascism that so many are worried about.

    Podcast #511: Hollywood Drama, DOGE, and Perpetual Outrage

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 17, 2025 87:38


    We begin this episode with a discussion about various Oscar-nominated films, hardly any of which Jason has heard of. We briefly discuss the drama surrounding Blake Lively and the side effects of Ozempic, and then turn our attention to whether or not people on the right regret their vote for Trump. We touch on DOGE, Gaza, and USAID, and then hear from Jon Stewart about the dangers of perpetual overreaction and outrage.

    Podcast #510: Fundamentalism, Emilia Perez, and Closedmindedness

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 10, 2025 91:15


    In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we talk about the fact that “fundamentalist” is not an inherently religious posture, but can be applied to politics as well. We discuss the film Emilia Perez, which critics love but audiences don't (presumably because every single one of them is a transphobe). We hear from a caller about his frustration over the mispronunciation of words, and play another voicemail about whether it is closedminded to refuse to listen to Jack Hibbs.

    Podcast #509: Sieg Heils, Immigration, and Guantanamo Bay

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 3, 2025 84:14


    We begin this episode in the middle of a conversation about the blockbuster trade that the Lakers just pulled off, and quickly pivot to Elon Musk's “Nazi salute” during the presidential inauguration party, discussing whether or not Musk is actually a Nazi or just thinks they're cool. We listen to Bishop Budde's exhortation to Trump about being merciful to the downtrodden, and then springboard to the issue of immigration more broadly. Lastly, we hear from a caller about the proposed use of Guantanamo Bay to house immigrant criminals.

    Podcast #508: TikTok, China, and U.S. Propaganda

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 20, 2025 72:47


    We spend most of this episode discussing the recent (but temporarily suspended) TikTok ban. We lay out why TikTok is unique and important and what might be the impetus behind the government's desire to ban TikTok. We discuss the "TikTok refugees" fleeing to RedNote, another social media platform actually owned by China, and the unfettered access it gives Americans into daily Chinese life and culture. We talk about how this is backfiring against the American government as Americans are beginning to realize that much of the government's concern over Chinese propaganda may actually be American propaganda.

    Podcast #507: Old Age, the L.A. Fires, and Party Politics

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2025 89:22


    We kick off this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors with an update about the health of Jason's mom (or lack thereof), which springboards into a discussion of death and how we cope with it. We talk about the Los Angeles fires and the public's reaction to wealthy people losing their homes, and then discuss the current state of political discourse and its partisan, tribal character. We conclude by reading the manifesto of the CEO shooter Luigi Mangione.

    Podcast #505: Violence & Democracy, Wealth & Power

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 6, 2025 80:00


    In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we catch up on some listeners' voicemails. We discuss the issue of campaign promises and whether they reveal candidates' actual intentions, or if they're only generic indicators of their ideology. We talk about the intertwining of democracy and violence, expressing serious suspicion about whether the former is ever possible without the latter. Lastly we explore the relationship of wealth and power (as in, why do the obscenely rich continue to accumulate more and more?).

    Podcast #505: Luigi, Elon, and Living in a Bubble

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 23, 2024 77:36


    In this episode of DXP Christian forces Jason to take an online test without knowing what exactly is being tested. We discuss the recent extradition of folk hero (*I meant for folk hero to have a strikethrough*) vigilante Luigi Mangione, and wonder aloud whether his “manifesto” will ever be made public, as well as the disproportionate response to his actions compared to those whose crimes do not strike at the core of capitalist power. We talk about the media's feigned hand-wringing over the incoming administration being “the wealthiest in history,” and the conclude with a brief discussion about the coming TikTok ban.

    Podcast #504: Drones, Pardons, and a Working Class Hero

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 16, 2024 83:38


    In this episode of DXP we discuss the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson by Luigi Mangione, as well as the latter's new status as an internet folk hero. We talk about the anniversary re-release of the film Interstellar, which leads to the recent appearance of mysterious drones over New Jersey and other cities. We address Trump's joke about Canada becoming our 51st state, and then weigh in on the Hunter Biden pardon.

    Podcast #503: Objections

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 2, 2024 101:30


    In this episode we wrap up our post-election thoughts and discuss the fallout of our daring and unprecedented suggestion that we listen to our opponents with an open mind (gasp!). We address some of our listeners' concerns and pushback, offering some pushback of our own, ultimately concluding that charitable discourse begins with letting those across the aisle tell us what they're about rather than taking the word of those who hate them.

    Podcast #502: Political Tribalism and Demonization

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 25, 2024 110:21


    Podcast #501: Post-Election Analysis and Soul-Searching

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 18, 2024 88:12


    Drunk Ex-Pastors returns! In this episode we give a few teasers about what the show will look like going forward (greater focus on concrete segments, more frequent but shorter episodes, and so on). We then engage in some post-election analysis as well as personal introspection concerning how best to navigate the next four years (and step one will involve forming opinions about politicians based on how they describe themselves rather than how their enemies do).

    Podcast #500: The One Where We Talk Politics

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 28, 2024 112:57


    In this 500th episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we hear from a listener who suggests that the two reasons someone might leave Christianity are either doctrinal or interpersonal. We then spend the bulk of the show discussing our political differences, including third-party voting, idealism vs. pragmatism, the value of campaign promises, and whether a Harris victory is a true victory for women. Biebers involve unnecessarily over-complicating tech that used to be simple, and scrubber brushes.

    Podcast #499: Comedy, Evil, and AI

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2024 108:09


    In this episode of DXP we address Jerry Seinfeld's recent retraction of his earlier insistence that wokeness makes comedy impossible. We hear from a listener asking about Neil deGrasse Tyson's formulation of the problem of evil, and then talk about Noah Yuval Harari's new book, Nexus, and what it has to say about the dangers of AI. Biebers involve thumbnails and spines.

    Podcast #498: The Substance, Free Speech, and Trump on the Lam

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2024 85:08


    In this episode of DXP we hear an update about Christian's hip surgery, which leads into the discussion about the potentially endless spiral of doctor's appointments that people often get sucked into. We discuss a few new films and TV shows, including The Substance, which Jason will never see. We discuss the current limits on free speech as well as whether there should be more, and then wonder aloud if Trump will free the country if he loses. Biebers involve Wordle and MacBooks.

    Podcast #497: Christian Nationalism - An Interview with Katherine Stewart

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2024 64:17


    In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we sit down once again with author and journalist Katherine Stewart (with whom we also spoke just before the 2020 election). Katherine is an expert on the issue of Christian Nationalism, and our conversation touched upon topics such as the relationship of religion to power, Christian Nationalism vs. Islamic Extremism, and naturally, Jack Hibbs. Biebers involve logging in to apps and YouTube

    Podcast #496: Sci-Fi, the Human Brain, and Panspermia

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 30, 2024 99:49


    We begin this episode of DXP hearing from Christian about his (alleged) epidural, which leads us down a rabbit trail about science fiction and the mystery of the human brain. We briefly discuss just how young the United States is (three people old to be exact). We discuss the theory of Panspermia (which is not as exciting as it sounds), and then launch into “Pastor Jack's Off.” Biebers focus upon pain pills and mouse skills.

    Podcast #495: Mafiosos, Cowboys, and Literal Petfood

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 16, 2024 91:05


    We begin this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors with a recap of Christian's recent vacay to Asia, from which we springboard to whether it's okay to eat our pets. We discuss the new Max documentary, Wise Guy, about David Chase and The Sopranos, which leads into one of Jason's theories involving Goodfellas and The Godfather. “Pastor Jack's Off” returns, which involves a discussion about whether we're constantly overreacting to 9/11. Biebers involves restaurant tables and electric bills.

    Podcast #494: Twenty-One Pilots and Pastor Jack

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 26, 2024 85:13


    In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we talk a bit about corporate sponsorship of literally everything, and then spend a fair bit of time dissecting the music and mythology of the band Twenty One Pilots, springboarding into issues surrounding power and the resistance to it. We listen to Pastor Jack being off (again), and then share biebers involving Facebook Pages and email responses.

    Podcast #493: Divorce, Tampon Tim, and the Real Life Network

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2024 86:20


    We begin this episode with a brief rant about Amazon Alexa and how she's a useless horrible person who deserves to die. We then hear from a caller insisting that Jason should watch that new Godzilla movie. We take a call from another listener who is going through a divorce, so we share some of the ups and downs from our own lives. Another caller seeks to set the record straight about “Tampon Tim,” which leads to a short political rabbit trail. “Pastor Jack's Off” returns, and biebers involve throwing rocks and MS Outlook.

    Podcast #492: Aging Comics, Brats, and Politics

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 12, 2024 93:56


    We begin this episode with a discussion of the new Beverly Hills Cop movie, springboarding to the issue of whether comics lose their edge as they get older. We revisit Brats, the recent documentary about Hollywood's “Brat Pack,” and then hear from a TikTokker about just how monumental the Trump assassination would have been had it succeeded. We discuss VP candidate Tim Walz, and then move on to “Pastor Jack's Off.” Biebers involve T-boning and police interrogations.   

    Podcast #491: Nostalgia, Names & Faces, and the Lust for Power

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 5, 2024 84:27


    Episode #491 starts with a discussion of the new show Dark Matter, and how it may just be a retelling of an old classic. We discuss the connection between music and nostalgia, and then debate the results of a new study that suggests that people's faces grow into their names over time. “Pastor Jack's Off” returns, demonstrating just how much evangelicals long for power, or proximity to it. Biebers involve farts and buttons.  

    Podcast #490: Withdrawal, Pandering, and a Martyr Complex

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 29, 2024 99:38


    We kick things off by wondering aloud if a new approach to stand-up comedy is needed, and then discuss FX's hit show, The Bear (which we both just finished). We talk about Biden's recent withdrawal from the presidential race, and then turn our attention to Trump's remarks about how much he loves Christians (despite claiming not to be one). We tease a future topic, Modern Monetary Theory, and then talk about evangelicalism's martyr complex. Biebers involve fruit and IT nerds.

    Podcast #489: Crooks, Biden, and Pastor Jack

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 22, 2024 74:17


    In this episode of Drunk Ex-Pastors we continue our discussion about the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, as well as the reactions on the left and the right and what we know about the shooter so far. We share our theories about what would happen if/when Biden drops out of the race, and then “Pastor Jack's Off” returns. Biebers involve eyesight and notifications.

    Podcast #488: Fainting, Worshiping, and Killing Trump

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 15, 2024 100:48


    We begin this episode with some banter about one of our favorite bands, and then hear about Christian's latest health scare. We recount visiting Calvary Chapel together for the first time in decades, and then turn our attention to the Donald Trump assassination attempt, discussing what this might mean for his campaign moving forward. We then weigh in on Biden's recent public appearances before sharing biebers involving tacos and spring time.

    Podcast #487: Some Like It Hot

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 8, 2024 59:39


    This episode of drunk ex-pastors was recorded on location on Palm Spring's hottest day on record (a comfy 124 degrees). We discuss a couple reaction videos, one by a classical composer who's never heard Paranoid Android, and another by some hip-hop head who has never listened to Stairway to Heaven. We talk about Jason's recent stand-up set, and then share a bieber about how to correctly portray a person who just figured out he's experiencing the ramifications of multiverse theory.

    Podcast #486: Fireworks, Pastors, and the Presidential Debate

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 1, 2024 84:53


    We begin this episode with sharing some tech woes, as well as another horrifying poop-tale from Christian. We discuss the issue of Fourth of July fireworks and pets/vets, and then hear about the recent pastors conference that Jason snuck into. We talk about the presidential debate and its possible implications, and then share biebers involving pronunciation and bottlecaps.

    Podcast #485: Suicidal Ideation & Political Prosecutions

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 17, 2024 84:39


    We begin this episode by talking about the best and worst ways to kill ourselves, and then discuss the convictions of Hunter Biden and Donald Trump, as well as the precedent such political targeting is likely to set. We discuss stand-up comedy and hear about a listeners' favorite's first ever open mic set went. “Pastor Jack's Off” returns, and biebers involve volume controls and email addresses.

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