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When we go to a restaurant we’ve never been to before, do we test the chair before we sit down? Do we send the main course for chemical analysis before we take a bite? When we give our credit card to pay, do we follow the server to the register to make sure it’s not charged inappropriately? We exercise a certain amount of faith everyday. And coming up on A NEW BEGINNING. Pastor Greg Laurie helps us exercise our faith in the God of the universe, the One who loves us and only has plans for good and not to harm us. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Uncle Pat is back. Fresh off leading Team North America to their second-straight TYR Cup Championship, Pat Vellner sits down with Tommy and Lauren to talk about his experience in Southern California, how he's managing the competitive season and how he's dealing with the fact that the end of his competitive career is quickly approaching. This episode is presented by Thirdzy. Head to thirdzy.com and use the code "TEF" to save 20% on their Rest and Recovery Collagen and improve your sleep and recovery.  

When we go to a restaurant we’ve never been to before, do we test the chair before we sit down? Do we send the main course for chemical analysis before we take a bite? When we give our credit card to pay, do we follow the server to the register to make sure it’s not charged inappropriately? We exercise a certain amount of faith everyday. And coming up on A NEW BEGINNING. Pastor Greg Laurie helps us exercise our faith in the God of the universe, the One who loves us and only has plans for good and not to harm us. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Lesley and Brad are back to recap their conversation with Dr. Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro. They share how showing up as yourself makes the hard days easier, why boundaries are non-negotiable, and how letting go of the “struggle equals success” myth frees you to enjoy the work you love. And because it's not all business, Lesley answers a listener's fun question about how she manages to look fresh after a long flight.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:Why authenticity makes showing up easier and attracts the right people.How boundaries set the tone and teach others to respect your priorities.The risks of building a brand that doesn't align with who you are.Why success doesn't require constant hustle or exhaustion.Lesley's favorite skincare and travel beauty tips for long haul flightsEpisode References/Links:Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tourCambodia Retreat Waitlist - https://lesleylogan.co/retreatsPilates Journal Expo - https://xxll.co/pilatesjournalContrology Pilates Conference in Poland - https://xxll.co/polandContrology Pilates Conference in Brussels - https://xxll.co/brusselsLesley's Skincare Recommendations - https://xxll.co/skincareSubmit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questionsThe Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.com If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSIDEALS! 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Will everyone connect with it? No, and that's a good thing. Lesley Logan 0:17  Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:56  Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the incredible, amazing, badass convo we have with the one and only, Shante Cofield. Brad Crowell 1:10  Shante.Lesley Logan 1:11  The Movement Maestro. Brad Crowell 1:12  Oh yeah. Lesley Logan 1:13  Oh my gosh. It was in our last episode. And if you haven't listened to that one, you've missed out on life. You really like you kind of fucked up. You got to go listen to it. You can listen after this, and you can listen and then like, usually like, depend on how you set your podcast situation up. It could be right after this. If you're listening to the OPC app, it's right below this one. If you're in your Apple app, good luck. They've changed it all the time. It's hard to find an episode you missed. Then that's why we do these recaps. But first, today, it is October 9th, it's Curious Events Day. Brad Crowell 1:42  Curious Events Day. Lesley Logan 1:44  I chose this because of Shante. So, the other ones seemed quite boring. There was World Post Day, and I was like, oh, that's so Shante, but it means like, mail, like. Brad Crowell 1:53  What do you mean male? Lesley Logan 1:54  Like, post mail, like mailing a letter, World Post Day. Not as not as in, like, social media post. Brad Crowell 2:00  I was definitely not thinking M-A-I-L. Lesley Logan 2:03  Yeah, mail. So I didn't choose that one, because that would be the opposite of Shante. But, Curious Events Day is October 9th, and it's a day to wonder about everything we've ever wondered about. So how do you get those little ships into the bottles? I think they do it like they're flat and they put it in. But you should, if you still wonder, you should look that up. Who figured out how to tie shoelaces? That is curious. What is the most recent sighting of Bigfoot in North America? I'm seriously doubting where the feedback might come from. I definitely do mean, pick your sources wisely. Why can't we figure what happened in Roswell? Be inquisitive, be persistent, and be careful, don't forget that old adage, curiosity killed the cat, and then the end is that satisfaction brought it back. But do be mindful. Brad Crowell 2:49  And then it's like, but I had nine lives, so you're good. Be curious. Lesley Logan 2:52  But also, like, do judge your news sources carefully. Brad Crowell 2:57  Oh my gosh. Please, please validate things. Lesley Logan 2:59  Please. Also, like. Brad Crowell 3:01  Anytime, anything seems like, oh yeah, that, that news makes sense. No, go, look it up. Lesley Logan 3:06  Also, don't just look at headlines or scan things. Read. Use your reading skills. Like, use them. It's very, very important. And it's, it's something that's like, I think what I like about world curious day or nationally curious day is, like, just it, it's a way to get off of social media and then go. Brad Crowell 3:28  Curious Events Day.Lesley Logan 3:29  Curious Events Day and go look up things, you know, maybe use a library, like, I don't know, be curious there, too. Anyways, so our Winter Tour is announced, y'all, it announced, well, a while back, and if you haven't bought your tickets yet, you could, it might be Slim Pickens. So go to opc.me/tour to see all the incredible cities. We are recording this before October 1st, so I actually have no idea where we're going yet. We are.Brad Crowell 3:55  We're still working all that out, but it but there's, you know, we got like 25 cities on the docket that we're trying to figure out. Lesley Logan 4:01  That's the goal. Brad Crowell 4:02  It's even bigger and better than we've ever done before. And it's only possible because you come to see the events, and see each other and hang and, you know, come meet us in in real life and we love it. Lesley Logan 4:15  It's kind of how all things work. Brad Crowell 4:15  And the dog, you know. Lesley Logan 4:15  If you like this podcast, you gotta leave a review, share it with a friend and listen. You gotta. If you, if you like our show, you gotta like, you got like, there's things you have more power than you realize. And if you don't attend an event, we don't go back. Brad Crowell 4:30  That's very key. Lesley Logan 4:31  Even if we like this city. So, opc.me/tour. Also, we're currently in Cambodia for our retreat. If you're not on the waitlist yet, you're gonna want to get on that, because in January, we're opening up the early bird special for the retreat, and only those on the waitlist get the early bird option. You don't have to get on the waitlist, but you get to pay full price. And that's that's just like we're spelling out for you.Brad Crowell 4:54  Just to put this out there, we've had a lot of people asking about October 2026. So, a lot of people, and there is only room for, you know, there's a limited amount of space we have.Lesley Logan 5:04  As much as we love you and we hate saying no.Brad Crowell 5:08  I would love to, you know, make sure everybody can join us. But, you know, there's a limited amount of space.Lesley Logan 5:15  Well, because, to be honest, like, we just like the smaller busses, because it means, like, we get to spend more time with you versus the bigger bus, and it's like not as much time with you. And also the bigger bus means less sites to see because the busses don't fit in certain places.Brad Crowell 5:27  Yeah, it is, you know, I mean, what we'll, look, we'll bring the bigger bus if we have the group for the bigger bus, but, yeah, we are limited on we can't go through the big temple.Lesley Logan 5:35  There's only so much room on the patio, so get your spot quickly by being on the waitlist.Brad Crowell 5:44  All right, and then we're excited. On October 19th, we're actually going to be going to Singapore. Oh, for the waitlist people go to lesleylogan.co/retreats plural lesleylogan.co/retreats. On October 19th, we're fired up to be coming to Singapore. This is a new thing for us. We were invited. It's a private event, but I just want to put that out there, you know, for you, if, if you want to host us coming through, just reach out, and we'll see how we can figure it out.Lesley Logan 6:10  Just ask. We actually just came back yesterday when we're recording this from U.K. and people were, I shared, like, oh, we're we actually are here because people asked. Like, it wasn't like we had a studio owner ask, and then we had another studio go, hey, how do I get that at my studio? And then we put the events together. And so, you know, we, we, sometimes we have to plan years in advance, like, this particular event was actually planned two years ago, but we can do that. And we, we actually are the kind of people that don't just show up on your door unannounced. We do need an invitation. And so we already talked about Winter Tour that's coming up in December. Then January is gonna be the Pilates Journal Expo. It's in Huntington Beach. If you go to xxll.co/pilatesjournal, you can get your tickets for that. I've got a world premiere of a workshop, which is really fun for me, because I just like having a space where you can ask whatever question you want about Pilates. Don't worry, there's some other nuggets around that, but, like, it's really a space for that.Brad Crowell 7:04  What was the URL again?Lesley Logan 7:07  xxll.co/pilatesjournalBrad Crowell 7:10  Yeah, we got a new URL shortener, y'all. xxll.co Lesley Logan 7:14  Yeah, because, you know, it's what they needed. Brad Crowell 7:15  We did that instead of a phone number. Lesley Logan 7:17  They still want the phone number. Brad Crowell 7:19  Yeah, the phone number is not gonna be. Lesley Logan 7:21  I still want it. We haven't looked at it. We haven't looked into if we can have a like, you know, 310 just be it.Brad Crowell 7:27  In March, we're gonna be.Lesley Logan 7:27  In Poland. We're gonna be in Poland again. I'm so excited to be back in Poland with Karen Frischmann. So it's, like, kind of amazing you get to learn from the two of us at the same time, which means a bigger bang for your buck, xxll.co/poland, anyone can go, by the way, just because, Karen and I speak in English, okay, that's how we teach. And then it's translated into Polish. But you can just come and then Karen and I will drag Brad, Brad through Europe, all the way over to Brussels, and we are going to be. Brad Crowell 8:00  I will not be complaining. Lesley Logan 8:01  At El's Studio in Brussels. Very, very excited about this. Brad Crowell 8:05  L-L-E Elle's. Lesley Logan 8:06  Oh, actually it's E-L-S.Brad Crowell 8:07  E-L-S apostrophe El's Studio.Lesley Logan 8:08  Yeah, I think it's El's with the apostrophe, because then it's else's. That's what I learned when there's an S, you just put the apostle on the other side. Anyways, you can go to xxll.co/brussels to grab your tickets for that. And in April, we can announce this right now. Brad Crowell 8:28  We can talk about that. I'm pretty sure we already did. Lesley Logan 8:31  So there's something, oh, we might have. We're going to be in London. There is a there is a POT in London. And what I'm doing in London is not yet to be announced, because I haven't signed my contract. So we're gonna be at the POT in London. We're doing something. Brad Crowell 8:45  We're gonna have a booth, and we're gonna be talking about flashcards. So, come hang out. If you've never been to a Pilates On Tour, it is a lot of fun. They're amazing events. They really do a great job with that. And we can't wait to be back in London, it's gonna be amazing.Brad Crowell 8:55  And you can buy day passes for that so. Brad Crowell 8:59  Cool. Love it. All right, before we get into this incredible interview with Shante, we actually had a question, and the question was from Pilates Physio.Lesley Logan 9:08  So there's two people sent in the same question within two weeks. And I like when you read these out loud. Just read them out loud. Read them both. Brad Crowell 9:16  Okay, so Pilates Physio said, how do you look this fresh flying UK to Australia, I always look dragged through the hedge backwards.Lesley Logan 9:26  Hedges backwards, Sorry. Brad Crowell 9:27  Hedges? Lesley Logan 9:28  Yeah, the hedges backwards, sorry. My nails are too long. I typed it up myself.Brad Crowell 9:32  Okay. And the next one is Pilates, Inhale Pilates asks, how the hell do you look so fresh and glowing after all of that flying that is so unfair. And let me tell you my secret. Lesley Logan 9:45  Oh, yeah, you want to tell your secret. So I love both these women, because one of them asked it after I did story, when we had just landed in the UK, and we were driving to (inaudible) and we landed in Edinburgh and we were driving into (inaudible) and then the other one asked it after I we landed, went through security, got through our Global Entry, and we were in the, like, baggage claim area, and I did it. And so it's really quite funny, because for the first one, I actually purposely didn't wear any makeup, and just did my brow stuff because we were flying overnight, and I knew I'd be trying to sleep, and it was like about 30 hours of travel, and you don't wanna have makeup. And for the second one, we had a whole day flight, and I was like, I gotta do stories. I gotta do this. I gotta have my makeup on. And I am so proud of how amazing my makeup survived the Edinburgh, Heathrow, Heathrow to L.A. I did I will say I looked pretty ragged by the time we did L.A. to Las Vegas. I was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open. So it wasn't like I was dragging a hedge backwards.Brad Crowell 10:43  We both were (inaudible) out on the plane home, like we were, we were asleep before we left the ground. I don't remember taking off.Lesley Logan 10:48  Yeah, I think we just like, I fell asleep so hard. So I will say, I think it's really easy on social media to look at someone who like and go, oh, they look so great. And to be honest, like in that moment, I caught the right light, but I will. So here's what I told them both, really great skin care. You have to have a great skin care routine. You must be doing this all the time. There isn't any makeup hack you can do that can out do bad skin care. Like every makeup artist I've ever worked with, is like the first step to great makeup is the skincare. So fine. When you like, I love the one I use. We don't have a short link for it. We have, like, a long link for it. Brad Crowell 11:30  We can get a short link for it. It's the the tarantula.Lesley Logan 11:34  No, I don't, I don't have, I don't have a social I don't have an affiliate for that. I'll tell you what that is. But, yeah, it's in the sponsors page. Yeah, so, so we'll drop that in there. He'll give it to you in a second. So, great skincare. Must, must, must, must do. Second, if you are flying long, like U.K. to Australia or the U.S. to Europe, like anything, that's 12-hour flight and it's overnight, I highly recommend no makeup, because you are going to try and sleep. But I do believe in mascara and brow gel like and I really do believe in it. It has changed the life. And if you're like, oh, I over plucked my brows when I was younger, you gotta go you gotta follow Striiike. You gotta follow, Striiike is the Instagram account Kristie Streicher. She has a (inaudible) three i's, she will, she will teach you how to grow your brows out, you guys. She was a client of mine. I was a client with of hers. I have not seen her in years, and I'm so proud of what my brows are doing. But I hire because what happened like your eyebrows and your lashes, like frame your eyes, and it can make a tired eye look happier. So we don't have affiliates for Striiike, but go and just learn from them. They have tons of tutorials. Tarantulash is by Bakeup Beauty again, no affiliates. I can't make any money off this, but I'm obsessed. I buy two sticks of mascara every time I shop with them, because you can get the free shipping, The, so once you have a good brow, good mascara you like and great skincare, you can fly anywhere. You also have to drink water. You must drink water when you fly. You have to drink water when you fly. I did not, I do not sleep well on most flights, especially long ones. In fact, when Pilates Physio asked that question, I had not slept at all because the flight sucked so much. On the way home, I think I got a little bit of sleep so, so I would love that. Then, when you want to apply makeup, like I had makeup on the second one, when you want to apply makeup, you you do want to find a makeup line that is easier for you to use, so that it doesn't take too long, and second that through the day, it looks better. No affiliate for Westman Atelier, I have tried multiple times. But I actually love their free concierge program. You can get on a call with someone. They can pick your colors for you, and it is she, she's a great it's a clean beauty line that actually, as a day goes on, it kind of just like melts into your skin more. So it doesn't streak as the day goes on, it's almost like, it's not that it rubs off, but it just like kind of becomes your skin. So I like that. Brad Crowell 14:03  All right, I think I'm also just gonna interrupt you and say, I love all of these amazing things that you've been figuring out. So the skincare link is xxll.co/skincare. Lesley Logan 14:12  Okay, there you go. Brad Crowell 14:12  So xxll.co/skincare and you'll be able to see what Lesley has been using for skincare. I was also just going to jump in there and say, I don't know anybody else in the world who prioritizes their sleep the way that you do.Lesley Logan 14:29  I know I wish I could sleep on a plane, but I do prioritize it outside of planes. Brad Crowell 14:33  Yeah. And so, you know, when you're asking, like, what is it that you're doing? I think it is, you know, it is built on this foundation of consistent sleep. Lesley Logan 14:42  Yes. Well, I think all of it is, right, but I will say, like, great skincare, great sleep. Drink some water. You'd be surprised. And also just be a little nicer to yourself, like the fact that you think that you've, of course, I thought I looked like hell on the first one. You know what I mean. But like. You smile and you look like more awake. Find the sunshine. You'll look more awake like I think we are constantly thinking that we are supposed to look like supermodels all the time, and no one does, including supermodels. They look like shit actually, most of the time, when you see them outside, but they have a confidence to them that they're beautiful people. And you have to start liking yourself, and you have to start to know that you have so many beautiful features, highlight them and have a great day. Brad Crowell 15:23  Yeah. And have a great day. Look, if you have any questions, Lesley clearly would love to answer those questions, just text us back at 310-905-5534, or you can submit it at beitpod.com/questions, that's beitpod.com/questions.Lesley Logan 15:44  I also just love the ones.Brad Crowell 15:45  You can also leave your wins there, too, for our Friday episodes. Lesley Logan 15:49  And also, I think I just get excited when it's, like, a non Pilates question, because it's like, here is all the research I've done. I figured it out. This is the mascara, you know. Brad Crowell 15:57  I love it. Lesley Logan 15:58  All right, let's talk about Shante.Brad Crowell 16:00  All right. Stick around. We'll be right back. Brad Crowell 16:03  All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Shante Cofield. I just want to say I love Shante. She's amazing, and we actually do know her in real life. We had a chance to hang out with her a few times over the years. She's just fantastic. So, Shante has created this persona called The Movement Maestro.Brad Crowell 16:21  I don't think it's a persona. It's her. It's.Brad Crowell 16:25  It's a, yes, so it's a persona. Actually, that's the definition of it. All right, so Shante is known as The Movement Maestro, and she's actually a physical therapist by trade and an entrepreneur by choice. And she said that on the the interview, and I thought that's a great way to say that. A physical therapist by trade, entrepreneur by choice. She's based in Southern California, and she now focuses on online business coaching, specifically helping health and fitness pros run, build and grow profitable online personal brands. So loving that. And she primarily uses Instagram as their quote, unquote top of funnel for lead generation, and she's just super great at it. She's been doing it for a long time. And she's also the business partner. She's business partners with Jill Coleman for a group coaching program that they do together, that we would absolutely recommend. Of course, Jill was also our coach. If you remember, Jill's been on the pod, all the things, but what a fun conversation. I mean, also, I just wanted to say,Lesley Logan 17:22  Secretly, I just wanted to talk with her, so I brought her on the pod.Brad Crowell 17:25  Well, she, she says this thing that I think is really funny when she when she's agreeing with you, she says this, this, this.Lesley Logan 17:33  Oh, I felt like I had just a cheerleading session. I was, like. Brad Crowell 17:37  Amazing. Lesley Logan 17:37  I, anytime I'm like, doubtful of, like, the do I know what the fuck I'm talking about? I'm just listening to this episode and hear her like compliment the fuck out of me.Brad Crowell 17:46  What was one of the things that you loved that she said.Lesley Logan 17:51  I mean, aside from how amazing she made me feel about myself, so she said that one of the biggest gifts is showing up authentically, because that is what you actually give other people permission to do the same. So when you show up authentically, you invite other people to do this. And I couldn't believe, I couldn't agree more. I think, like when I get to come to a workshop, and people are nervous, and, you know, I'm even nervous because I'm like, oh my god, they paid all this money, they traveled all this way. I hope I don't disappoint them, like, because people might have a different idea of me on like, from online stuff. I don't know. You know what I mean. People tell a story about them, about somebody, and then you meet them, but I. Brad Crowell 18:36  Don't meet your heroes. Everyone always says, Lesley Logan 18:36  Yeah, well, because some of those people suck, not me and not Shante, but, I.Brad Crowell 18:39  I think if you're showing up authentically online when you met someone in person, then you know what you're gonna get. Lesley Logan 18:45  Of course. Brad Crowell 18:46  That's the goal. Lesley Logan 18:47  I but I will just say, like, I always make sure that even when I feel nervous, I have like, the more authentic I can be to myself, the more every one of these people in this room will drop the nerves, will, will will show up and will have a great time with us. So it's really, really fun for me, so I couldn't agree more, and it helps you get out of your own head, because sometimes we get in our own head about things, and it's like, if you are just being your authentic self, it's one, so much easier, and two other people will be the same, and you won't have to worry if people are being real or not about you. Shoot. We also talked about declaring boundaries and priorities and that you the when you say, like, this is what I do, or I'm putting myself first, you model this behavior for others. I mean, like, can she and I just go on a tour together and tell people to prioritize themselves first. I love this. It's so, so good for the people in your life, for the partners in your life, for the friends in your life, like, and I just, I'm just, like, obsessed with all those things, yeah.Brad Crowell 19:45  I mean, I love that. I think it's important. I think it's great. Lesley Logan 19:45  She also, this is very important. She said, anything but yourself is unsustainable. So, like, if you're trying to be other people, yeah, like, it's so unsustainable.Brad Crowell 19:58  That's why I was gonna chime in, one of the stories that she told was when we follow these people online, and then, and then they quit, and they're like, actually built this thing, and I don't like anything about it and all this stuff. And, you know, it's amazing, because you can build things with marketing. When you do marketing properly, it will build a thing. But you need to make sure you like the thing, you need to make sure you like the people that you're going to be talking with, you know, because otherwise it will be unfulfilling. And I think that if you are talking about something that you don't believe in, it's not sustainable. And that's where this authenticity comes in. When you talk about something you're passionate about, or you believe in, or you really, you know, are wanting to encourage others to tackle and change and do all the things. It comes through, it shines through, right? And also is it allows it for you, you can stand by your word, you know, so that I think that.Lesley Logan 20:53  I also think like it when you're consistent, people do see that, even if they're not buying your thing right away, like, and it doesn't mean you don't get to pivot or evolve. But I have noticed, like, people who keep changing this, oh, I'm doing this now, I'm doing this now. I'm doing this now, and they're so different. Oh, I'm back to this now. I'm like, are they okay? What are they doing? You know. So I do think that the way, if you are, if you are afraid to post on socials, or you're afraid to mark your market yourself, or put yourself out there. Just know that if you're putting your true self and what you believe in out there, it's gonna be so much easier to show up on a hard day, and people are gonna truly start to connect with that. Will everyone connect with it? No, and that's a good thing. You don't want everyone to connect with you. I promise you that. There are some crazy people out there. You don't want them to like your stuff, so be your authentic self, and it will repel them.Brad Crowell 21:45  Yes, yes, yeah, and not even in a negative way. It just they won't be attracted to it. So I really loved when she was talking about the societal lie that success requires struggle. And I found this really intriguing, because I I lived this, this story of, we've talked about this a little bit before, but the bootstrapping, the solopreneur, I gotta do it all myself. Why? Because I'm broke and I can't afford to whatever. And it became a story that I told myself. And then what happens is, it becomes your MO, it becomes your persona.Brad Crowell 22:19  Yeah, well, you tell a story, but also, but you feel like it has to be hard all the time. Brad Crowell 22:20  It has to be hard all the time. But it's not even, it's not even that it has to be hard all the time. That's not the story we initially tell ourselves, but it becomes a lived experience that we then adopt. Right? And so all of a sudden, you're like, like, because when you start to delegate, when you do have a team, and you start giving things over to the team, such as, I'm a teacher, I'm teaching 7000 hours a week, you know, all of a sudden you're not teaching that much anymore. But you've, you've adopted this. It's got to be challenging, or we're not moving forward approach, you suddenly feel like you're doing it wrong, or you're or like some something, something is wrong. You can't, you can't figure out what it is. But it's because we've built this on this foundation of it's got to be hard for it to be right. Lesley Logan 23:09  Well, all the I work with a lot of teachers like, Oh my god, but if I do it like that, then the clients aren't going to because they want to feel burn. It's like, do you want to teach like that? If you don't want to teach like that, stop teaching like that, because they like educate people on what it is. You're making it hard on yourself, and then it's not going to be fun to show up all the time, and you're not going to like it and that, you're like, oh, but it's, it's got to be hard. I it's got to be a struggle. And then I'll get to the other side. You got to do things you like and and there. And success does have obstacles, but it doesn't have to be like you're trudging through like quicksand.Brad Crowell 23:41  Yeah, I mean, you're, you're not here to be miserable every day and faking this thing, right? I think that I just really liked what she said about it. And she said, of course, work is hard, but when it but when it comes to what things that you enjoy doing and the people you enjoy being around, it can still be fun, even when you are working hard, but the but the high level effort doesn't have to be, like killing yourself to make it. Like the struggle, I think the we jokingly say the struggle is real. But also, you know, it doesn't always have to be a struggle every day. Lesley Logan 24:21  Correct. And also, like, I just posted about this today on Instagram, because multiple times during the two events we had people were like, you must be tired, and I was like, oh, I'm not tired. You know, I might be tired. I'll be tired tonight. I might even be a little bit tired tomorrow. But like, I'm not tired right now because I love what I'm doing. I didn't put anything up here that you could buy that would exhaust me.Brad Crowell 24:42  Yeah, well, I think this weird assumption with that, like, wow, you must be tired means you must be burned out, because what you do is so much, like, I cannot fathom how you're able to execute it all you know, and still have time for yourself.Lesley Logan 24:57  Yeah. Well, that goes back to what we said with Shante said earlier, I prioritize myself and I have boundaries. Big time, big time. And I recognize that, like people have kids and blah, blah, blah and all this stuff. I still think that, because she said, we are a mirror, and we, when we are ourselves, other people do the same. If you put yourself first, other people see this, and they too will do it. So we it's not like people will just assume, oh, I gotta not bother that person. You have to say, I can't do that right now. But like, if you are doing something you love, yes, it'd be hard days, but it doesn't have to be a struggle. Brad Crowell 25:27  Yeah. Well, look, stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into the Be It Action Item that Shante left us, right after this. Brad Crowell 25:36  Alright, finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Shante Cofield. Lesley Logan 25:46  You go first. Brad Crowell 25:47  Okay. She said when starting out or starting something new, she advised, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. And I just loved this. I loved this because this concept of borrowing confidence. I've never thought of before, I never heard of before, but it's so real. Lesley Logan 26:04  This is so brilliant. Brad Crowell 26:04  Because what like, it's almost insulting if you don't believe the person, like, I believe in you. I believe that you can do the thing and you're like, you're right, you're wrong, I'm gonna fail. Right? It's like, you kind of are throwing it back in their face, right? But I also love this reframes this whole idea. When someone is like, I know you can do the thing. You can borrow that confidence from that. What a cool idea. She said, then advise. She said, afterwards, celebrate. Clap yourself. Clap for yourself, and go learn the thing, and then get in those reps. Choose to believe the evidence of your growing confidence, right? And I think when you're when you're, especially when you're starting something new, if you have a mentor or a friend who's like, really, really cheering for you, they're seeing something that you might not see in yourself in the moment, you know, but it doesn't mean you don't have it. So, yeah.Lesley Logan 26:55  Yeah, yeah, okay. It's like, she also just loves our anthem, being in this pod, because she said do it scared. Yep. She said, confidence is a byproduct. It's on the other side of action. So a byproduct of taking action is confidence. That's how you get confidence. Everyone's waiting for confidence. Take action. You gotta take the action to get the confidence, and waiting to feel better about it is a trap. One must still have to take action and show up in this way. So you've got to take the action, guys. And she also said, the confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So do it scared and freaking. Say this episode and go back and listen to her tell you that, because it's I couldn't I was just like, yeah, this is why she's on the pod. Like, literally, to remind people so you be it till you see it. I'm obsessed with you Shante, you guys, they have their own podcast. I also know that since we interviewed them for this and I was like, what do you do right now, they were, you know, sharing like, (inaudible) they did a podcasting course.Brad Crowell 28:00  Oh, cool. The podcast is called Maestro On The Mic.Lesley Logan 28:03  Maestro On The Mic. And also, I love their weekly newsletters. I highly recommend. It's an email I actually do read every week. I really, really like it. And it's also I got her on the pod because I got one. And I said, I fucking love this one. Brad Crowell 28:14  Side note, she's a doctor. Lesley Logan 28:16  Yeah. All right, sorry, Dr. Shante, anyways, she is a doctor. She is a badass. I love her journey. I hope that you saw yourself in some of these things that she said. And Shante is gonna wanna know what your takeaways are, so definitely send her a DM what your favorite part was? Send it to the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. This is how we be it till we see it and until next time, Be it Till You See It.Brad Crowell 28:39  Bye for now.Lesley Logan 28:41  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 29:23  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 29:28  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 29:33  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 29:39  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 29:43  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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The Christian life has been compared to a race. And it certainly is that. But given the opposition we often face, it could also be compared to an obstacle course. It’s a tough assignment to “run to win” when our adversary is trying to trip us up and stop us in our tracks. Well today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie offers biblical advice on keeping our focus and priorities where they should be. God can give us the spiritual power, but we need supply the determination to succeed. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Christian life has been compared to a race. And it certainly is that. But given the opposition we often face, it could also be compared to an obstacle course. It’s a tough assignment to “run to win” when our adversary is trying to trip us up and stop us in our tracks. Well today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie offers biblical advice on keeping our focus and priorities where they should be. God can give us the spiritual power, but we need supply the determination to succeed. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Today, I'm finally diving into a topic I've wanted to share with you for ages: MONEY.  If you've cut back or said goodbye to alcohol, you're already sitting on a gold mine. The average drinker spends $3,000 to $8,000 a year on alcohol alone – and now is the perfect time to leverage that raise and make your money work smarter. In this episode, I'm sharing the foundations of financial literacy for alcohol-free women – the habits, mindsets, and investing principles that can create lasting wealth. We're talking about investing, emergency funds, high-yield savings accounts, retirement, all of it.  I'll also take you behind the scenes of my own money journey. Obviously I am not a financial advisor, but there are principles that I live by that have made my life SO much easier. When you remove alcohol, you gain energy, peace, and the power to build a legacy. If you're looking to start your own purpose-driven income stream, coaching is one of the most scalable business models out there. Enrollment is open for the next round of the Empowered AF 5X Coach Certification Program.    IN THIS EPISODE: How ditching alcohol instantly gifts you $3,000–$8,000 a year (plus all the sneaky extra costs you're no longer burning away with every happy hour) Why even small, consistent investments made TODAY can snowball into 7-figures (and the massive wealth gap you create by starting now vs. putting it off) The investing gender gap, demystifying the stock market, and the one simple index fund strategy endorsed by history's most legendary investors The truth about hoarding cash, beating inflation, and why high-yield savings accounts are the modern woman's must-have Why investing in yourself yields the highest ROI and is the secret weapon of 88% of self-made millionaires   LINKS/RESOURCES MENTIONED In this book I mention Die With Zero: Getting All You Can From Your Money And Your Life by Bill Perkins and Dr. Benjamin Hardy, whose research I dive into in Episode 266.  If you know you're meant to help other people change their relationship with alcohol and achieve deep healing (along with their bigger dreams), apply for the Empowered AF 5X Coach Certification Program – and get 5x certified as a world class alcohol-free empowerment coach, mindset coach, success coach, NLP practitioner, and hypnosis practitioner. This program includes a four-month business mastermind and a business retreat in Southern California. Awarded the most empowering book in the sober curious genre, be sure to get your copy of Euphoric: Ditch Alcohol and Gain a Happier, More Confident You today and leave your review.  Follow @euphoric.af on Instagram. And as always, rate, review, and subscribe so we can continue spreading our message far and wide.

Sometimes, we can face impossible situations. It seems there’s no way out, and no way through. Well, God can make a way where there seems to be no way. And today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie helps us lean on the care of our loving God. Glad you’re along for a series called Joshua: Living in the Land of Promises. Maybe you need God’s help today. Or maybe you really don’t; you’ll need God’s help tomorrow. So stay tuned and learn how to come to God when He’s your only option. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Why have so many “time saving” devices actually not saved us any time? How do you know if your devices work for you or you work for them? What guidance is there for an appropriate use of AI? We'll answer these questions and more with our guest, Dr. Trevor Sutton, pastor and professor specializing in the intersection of theology and technology. A. Trevor Sutton is senior pastor at St. Luke Lutheran Church in Lansing, Mich., and teaches theology at Concordia University–Irvine. Sutton has written several books, including Redeeming Technology (coauthored with Brian Smith, M.D.) and Authentic Christianity (coauthored with Gene Edward Veith Jr). ==========Think Biblically: Conversations on Faith and Culture is a podcast from Talbot School of Theology at Biola University, which offers degrees both online and on campus in Southern California. Find all episodes of Think Biblically at: https://www.biola.edu/think-biblically. Watch video episodes at: https://bit.ly/think-biblically-video. To submit comments, ask questions, or make suggestions on issues you'd like us to cover or guests you'd like us to have on the podcast, email us at thinkbiblically@biola.edu.

Sometimes, we can face impossible situations. It seems there’s no way out, and no way through. Well, God can make a way where there seems to be no way. And today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie helps us lean on the care of our loving God. Glad you’re along for a series called Joshua: Living in the Land of Promises. Maybe you need God’s help today. Or maybe you really don’t; you’ll need God’s help tomorrow. So stay tuned and learn how to come to God when He’s your only option. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Dr. Shanté Cofield, better known as The Movement Maestro, unpack what it really takes to build a business and life that actually feels good. From letting go of roles that no longer serve you to embracing lifestyle design over burnout, she shares the truth about why authenticity is the only sustainable strategy. Whether you're navigating a career shift, battling imposter syndrome, or tired of trying to be someone you're not, this episode will remind you that being yourself isn't just allowed—it's necessary.If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at beit@lesleylogan.co mailto:beit@lesleylogan.co. And as always, if you're enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.In this episode you will learn about:How the shift from PT to brand-builder was built on small steps.Why creating a lifestyle business is really about time and balance.How authenticity makes your work sustainable without constant struggle.Why confidence shows up only after you do the thing scared.How borrowing belief from mentors can carry you through doubt.Episode References/Links:The Movement Maestro - http://www.themovementmaestro.comDr. Shanté Cofield on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/themovementmaestroDr. Shanté Cofield on Threads - https://www.threads.com/@themovementmaestroJill Coleman Website - https://jillfit.comEp. 385 Danny-J Johnson & Jill Coleman - https://beitpod.com/ep385RockTape - https://www.rocktape.comGuest Bio:Dr. Shanté Cofield, widely known as The Movement Maestro, is a former physical therapist turned entrepreneur who has built a thriving career helping health and fitness professionals take their work online. She is the creator and host of Maestro on the Mic, a podcast with more than one million downloads, and the founder of The Movement Maestro LLC, a company dedicated to showing coaches and clinicians how to build authentic personal brands. Based in Southern California, Shanté is recognized for her vibrant teaching style, love of community, and unapologetic approach to living life on her own terms.With a background that blends over a decade in movement science and several years in online business strategy, she equips entrepreneurs to grow without losing sight of the lifestyle they want to create. Her work emphasizes sustainability over hustle, encouraging clients to pursue balance, authenticity, and freedom in their careers. 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I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. Lesley Logan 0:53  All right, Be It babe, get ready. This, this the word this comes up in this podcast so many times as a like, like, double tap, as a thumbs up, as like, high five as, I mean, if I could have done this in person, we would have been like, just high fiving each other the whole time. I am obsessed with this person, Shanté Cofield, the movement maestro, is our guest today, and someone who has impressed me from the moment I was introduced to her in so many freaking ways. And what I love is like I got to watch her on the outside looking in, and then I got to know her on the inside and still, just like we don't live in the same place. So just like watching from afar, and like being an Instagram friend, hopefully real life friend from afar, but then getting to talk to Shanté today and hear the journey that they've been on, the journey that they're still on, the way they make decisions. I'm so excited for you, because no matter if you run your own business, you work for someone, you are a human being, and you are going to hear so many things that it's going to help you be you, be more you. So much permission is going to be granted. And I hope this is an episode that you save and hit on replay, because I know I am, I know I can't even wait to listen to this again. And also, I hope that this allows you, if you don't know who Shanté is, I hope this helps you find them, follow them and and get more from them, because they will they have so much to teach. They're just inherent teachers. So Shanté Cofield, thank you so much in advance. You guys, here is the Be It Pod with Shanté Cofield, enjoy. Lesley Logan 2:23  All right, Be It babe. Get ready. This is gonna be amazing. I know that currently, Brad has no idea who I'm talking to, otherwise he'd be in this room. He'd be so jealous. He loves this person so much. So, Shanté Cofield, The Movement Maestro, here you are, finally.Shanté Cofield 2:39  Here I am. Thank you for having me on. Lesley Logan 2:40  Oh my god. Shanté Cofield 2:42  I'm excited. I'm actually legitimately excited to be on this positive podcast. I'm like, yeah, let's fucking do it. The energy. Lesley Logan 2:47  This is gonna be great. So here's the thing you guys, I met Shanté through Jill Coleman, who's been on the pod before. And one of the things that you might not well, you know this about yourself because it's what you teach people on but like, I see a recycling truck and I think of you.Shanté Cofield 3:01  As in knowable. And thank you for knowing it's a recycling truck, not the garbage truck. I don't like the garbage truck, it's a recycling truck.Lesley Logan 3:08  And so and then, you know, I was reading I was reading through your form and everything, and I was like, oh, she does have a bright green jeep. That's right, she does. So Shanté, if in case people don't know who you are, can you tell them who you are and what you rock at?Shanté Cofield 3:20  Yes, absolutely. Again, thank you for having me on and you, listening, thank you for being here. I, Shanté Cofield, I think more colloquially or now more commonly known as Maestro. I'm a physical therapist by trade, an entrepreneur by choice, and now I spend my days in Southern California, but try and make the monies I do online business coaching. So like Lesley had said, Jill Coleman is my business partner for one of the projects that we group coaching program that run together, but I help health and fitness pros run, build, grow, profitable. It's an important word there online personal brands. That is my niche, that is my zone of genius, largely using Instagram as their initial kind of top of funnel. Lesley Logan 4:00  Yeah. I mean, I think it's, I love that you had, like, by trade, and then by choice. I think a lot of people get stuck on the by trade, and they kind of don't choose.Shanté Cofield 4:09  Yeah, I'm like, go and do other things.Lesley Logan 4:12  How long ago did you do that, though? And, like, was it the scariest thing? Shanté Cofield 4:16  Totally. So I graduated from PT school in 2010 I did it for eight years, and during that time, kind of on the back end of that, I started working for a company called Rock Tape. So if any of you have seen any colorful tape that the athletes wear, Carrie Walsh really put, like kinesiology tape on the map. I started working for one of those companies, and I was a lead instructor, and I that's when I really found that I love teaching, and I literally traveled the world teaching for them. So, you know, growing up, I wanted to have a job that I could go on planes and I could stay in hotels. Why? I don't know. I don't know why I wanted that, but I did. And then I became a physical therapist, and I was like, well, that's not gonna really allow for that. And then I got that job, and I found myself traveling and teaching across the world, and I concurrently was building my personal brand. Kind of inadvertently building it, not even kind of, 100% inadvertently building a personal brand, as the Movement Maestro on Instagram, because I was like, I have stuff to say, and this is fun, and I'll connect with people. So I did. I practiced for eight years, and just towards the end of it, I was practicing less, and I was teaching more, very much, knowing that I would step back from from treating because I didn't really love it, but it's safe and it's a great first career, but you can't really, in my opinion, teach just from theory, like you have to be practicing still. And I was like, I don't even enjoy this. I don't really want to be doing this anymore. And so the pivot came in 2020 so I was doing things behind the scenes, kind of the online business stuff behind the scenes. I met Jill in 2019 and we linked up. But 2020, I was like, I am done with PT stuff. I'm done talking about it, coaching it, teaching it, working in that field. And then Covid was like, Okay, here you go. And the pivot was actually very easy, because I couldn't travel anymore. I (inaudible) online, and I just brought all of the kind of coaching business stuff that people have been asking me for, just about that front facing. Then stopped with the, the PT stuff. Lesley Logan 6:04  It's funny. Like, I think, you know, obviously 2020, was terrible for so many reasons, and, and also, like, you can't have bad without good. Like, that's a balance. And so, like, if you take advantage of of the the opportunity that it was there, which is like, oh, I can't like the the playground has said that this is the box. And if I, so, how can I be creative in that box? And we also met Jill in 2019 and then, because of a 30-minute talk she did, we like, did her notes, and then I like DM-ed her like, two months, and I was like, just so you know, thanks for what you did in someone else's thing. We did it, and we made $20,000. She's like, who are you? You know, but like, because of how things change, it really did a lend itself for people who wanted to make a big pivot. And I love that you took advantage of that. Shanté Cofield 6:54  100%. Lesley Logan 6:55  I think, like, people who hear that, though, when people work online, they think, oh, my God, you get to work for yourself. It's like the dream life. We're just all printing money. It's like the coffee shop, you guys. Shanté Cofield 7:05  Yes, printing money.Lesley Logan 7:08  You know, I think it's also easy for people to make a switch and then overwork themselves on something that I am so attracted to about you is that you don't do that. Shanté Cofield 7:16  No, I am 100% of the lifestyle business mindset. And mind you, lifestyle business doesn't mean like being a pauper. It's just like, what's the lifestyle that you want? And if you want some extravagant, you know, lifestyle, then you're gonna have to work and earn, you know, commensurate with that. But for me, it is the reason I do what I do and make any money, is so that I can live in the way that I want, you know, and I want to have a lot of time to do the stuff I want to do on a play guitar. I go to the beach a ton. Jill and I are really good balance in that way, because Jill loves the work. She loves it. She loves being in it. She loves the strategy. And I'm like, I'm going to go to the beach now. I'm going to go and play volleyball. I'm going to go downstairs and lift. I have a gym that we put in in the house. So it's like, yes, I have to make enough money that allows for that lifestyle, but the reason that I do things in my first choice will always be, I'm going to go out and live and do the fun activities or stay home and do the activities, as opposed to being like, work, work, work.Lesley Logan 8:12  So is that easy for you? Like, is that how you've always been? Like is it hard for people around you?Shanté Cofield 8:18  I think that it is, there's a definitely, I love you asked this question because I think it's super important when we're listening to people speak, and we're looking to take lessons from them and advice from them that we also realize where they are in life, like I'm 40, right? So it's not that if I would not be saying this if I was 20, right? So when I was 20, I was in I was in college, and then I immediately after that, I was in grad school, and then I was living in New York City, working a lot like, still very much, being like, I want this. I want to be able to do things on my own time. But knew that I couldn't. I was like, I have to work and I'm have no money, and I live in New York City. But that was definitely always the goal, whether I realized it or not, was this time, flexibility and being in control of my own time. So it is easy for me to do that now, and it's all that I want to do now, and I can actually afford to do that. And I'm able to do that because I'm not 20 I'm not 25 like I do think that there is a time in life when, like, you grind, right? The analogy I like to use is surfing, right? If I don't, first of all, I live by the ocean. I don't go in the water, but I understand it, right? Lesley Logan 9:22  I love you so much because I love the ocean. But I don't go usually I'm like, I don't like anything touching me that I can't see. Shanté Cofield 9:30  I could. I will look at it. I don't need to be up in the ocean. But I watch all the surfers there, and it's like, if you want to ride the wave, if you want to coast, you have to paddle out. You don't just end up out there on the wave and like, oh, look at me. Like, you have to, first of all, I don't watch people surfing like, this is like, so much work, and they're not going, like, under the waves, and that things are hitting them and the board is going backwards. There's a lot of work that gets put up, that gets done, gets front loaded, and then you're like, all right, cool. I can ride this wave and sit here. I can pick which wave I ride, but that's after all the work comes. So no, no, it's not a hard thing for me to decide to do now or live into now. But also, like, I'm 40, I'm not 25.Lesley Logan 10:10  I actually, that's so funny. You know, you have the idea people think that, like, people are served are just like, easy going, like they're just like, actually, like, they're the most organized, hard working folks I've ever met, because they're like, they know when the waves are going to be great. They work there. They schedule everything around that. They work really hard. Like, I went to a yoga teacher who was like, so zen, so chill. He taught at 5 am then he was out riding the waves, and he taught again at 9 am he would like.Shanté Cofield 10:37  This, absolutely, absolutely.Lesley Logan 10:40  But I want to see them, like, hanging loose, or what a hanging 10, and they're like, oh, but they have they're chill. It's like, actually. So that's such a beautiful analogy. I think it's really fun. I always tell people like, when I'm doing interviews, like, why I'm 42 because I think, like, you do have to say, like, it. I can say this and I can work my schedule really does my work schedule really is only nine to four, because when I was 30, this was six to seven.Shanté Cofield 11:06  (inaudible) like, I need you to understand that folks that like that is how it works. Like, in general, I love that you typed into that with with surfers. And one thing I think about with that is that form allows for flow right where, like, yeah, he has a schedule and he has, like, this times, and like, yes, we are dictated by, like, what weather is doing, right? And that allows for me to be able to, like, go with the flow, because I had these things, whether that's like in a time, like a looking across a timeline that I did these things first, or I'm looking at within my day, and it's like, okay, I structured this, this and this, so that I can just be chill, going with the flow, if you will, during these other times. Absolutely. Lesley Logan 11:41  Yeah, but is it? Is it easy for the people around you? Because I know, like, I like, I have learned this is when I'm creative. This is when I can actually do the best coaching. If I miss this opportunity, we're not even posting because it doesn't, it's not even gonna work for me. Like, I just, you know, I love about and, like, there are other people like, oh, you're like, like, I feel like you're you're so cold. Like, I'm not cold. 6am to 9am is my time. You cannot be in my time.Shanté Cofield 12:04  No, no one has had an issue. I mean, my partner, Lex, she does online business. She gets it. She's known me for a long time too, so she knows how I am. And I think that exactly what you just said one of the best things, and we've talked about this a little bit before we got on the call, like this, like this idea of authenticity, that can be kind of overused as a word, but one of the biggest gifts of like, actually showing up authentically, is that you give other people permission to do the same, right? Not that they need it, but like they are looking for it. And so when you show up and you're like, Yeah, this is what I do. This is the time I take. This is how, like, when I'm going to be doing this, I'm putting myself first. I'm scheduling this first. You give other people the permission to do that. And people like that. They're like, oh, if maybe, maybe they have some initial pushback, but that's because they're like, oh shit, you just held up a mirror. And now I have to look at myself and be like, Am I doing that? I could do that. What's stopping me from doing that? So I've had no pushback with it at all. You know, I've I say this whenever I go on podcasts or talk about things like so much of everything I credit to my mom, and just like how she raised me and I, she's always supported me. There was never a like, but what about or none of that. It was just like, okay, you have soccer. I'm taking you. You want to do this? Okay. Like, there was never anything but support. So I've never, I've never been in an environment. I never thought to be in an environment or been okay in an environment where someone's like, pushing back on just how I am, I'd be like, why? What is this about? Lesley Logan 13:27  What a cool mom. What a cool, like, evolved, healthy. Shanté Cofield 13:33  Super fortunate. Lesley Logan 13:34  Yeah, yes. And also let, like, it allows for you to be you, and then again, be that mirror for other people. So okay, it's called Be It Till You See It because I don't like the way fake it till you make it sounds. And I have always been someone who, like, is like, okay, I don't know how to be the person who runs a business by herself. So what if I had to know? And like, what would I do if I had to know? So that's kind of how I've always run things out. And so one of the things that, like, you know, I followed you for years, and I love about you, like, I find, and I'm sure this is like, literally, what you deal with is, like, so many people are afraid to put themselves out there as either themselves or the person that they would like people to see them as, and you teach that. And also, like, you know, in the last recent shit show we've all been in, I've watched you continue to show up authentically, and so I guess I want to know, like, are there tips for being it till you see it online? Shanté Cofield 14:26  Yeah, yeah. This is why I'm really excited to come on this podcast, because it is something that I've learned, that this is what I do and teach. I didn't go into online space or anything with that be like, this is what I'm gonna help people with. But, you know, Movement and Instagram and online business, it's all just been a vehicle to help people live into themselves and create their best lives. And I didn't realize that that was a difficult thing for people. And I don't see that as like, oh, it's so easy. It was just like, that's not the world that I was in in any way. And so when you start talking about you're like, oh, this is something that's difficult for you, for many reasons. Society is designed so that this is difficult for you, like, and then seeing that be like, okay, let me see what I can do, or what I've been doing, and kind of like, put a process to it, if you will, to try and help people. I think that the most, the simplest, easiest thing, the action item, is do it scared. Like, there's no other way around it. I think that we like to kind of, like, cerebralize things and be like, I'm gonna try and dissect it. And why am I like this? And why do I do something that's helpful and fine, but like, you still have to then do it. There's no that. There's no like, I'm gonna think my way out of this or into this. It's like, I still have to take the action and show up in this way. So if we're waiting to, like, feel better about it, we know that this confidence is a byproduct, right? It's on the other side of action. So there's a line that I give people that I tell people, I'm like, do it scared, right? Yes, there can be action items of, like, accountability, or you're like, I'm working with somebody and like, I just have to show up, I have to post. I've given myself timeframes and constraints so that, because we know deadlines are magic. But the to me, the big take home is there, do it scared. You're probably, it's probably going to feel uncomfortable, it's probably going to feel far and it's probably not going to feel good. You're probably going to be like, having all these thoughts, do it anyway, because the feeling you're searching for, the confidence, all of that, it's on the other side of the action.Lesley Logan 16:17  Yeah, oh yeah. It's really true. Like people so we have, since I last saw you, like, we actually have, like, streamlined so many things. And because of all the coaching I've done for 10 plus years, and because the world made me put everything out in blogs back in the day and videos, we were able to train an actual bot to be me, right? And it's great. It's fabulous. She, she has the best grammar that I never had. I'm like, wow, I love that the internet's helping with the commas. Like, it's so great. But somebody asked my bot, like, you know, a question where, like, you know, confidence came up, and my bot said a very true story about how I had, you know, like, I do these things scared. I'm not always confident with what I'm doing and the person's like, you're not always confident. You seem so confident. And it's so funny, because, like, I think people are so good at seeing what they want to see in other people you know that right there, because they don't see they don't see, oh, she's doing that scared. They see, they only see it as, like, she's confident. And it's really, like, I tell everyone, I do everything, like, as if the roller coaster is like, at the tip and I'm screaming down the other side and hoping I'm just gonna go with the flow of it all, because you get confident from doing the thing you said you're gonna do. Shanté Cofield 17:32  It's on the other side of it. I think, you know, there's also a lot to be said from drawing from data, right? Like, I'm a physical therapist by trade. That's science through and through. It's how my brain works. I want logic. I want reason. I want things to be rational. There's so much to be said to actually generating evidence and generating data first and then then the second part, which is hard for people, is believing it like there's always this discussion around imposter syndrome. There's a lot of, you know, routes we can take and how it's like, societally imposed, and all these other things. And I'm like, for me, part of the rational side of it is, I'm like, maybe you're just not that good yet. If you just started, why would you be good at this thing? So you feeling like, I'm not good enough. It's like, you're right. Clap for yourself. You're right. You're not that good yet. And then we go and we learn the things and we get the rest. And then this is where I see the switch doesn't flip. You have to choose to believe that evidence, because I'll have people that like do the things and I'm like, you've been doing this shit for five years. You're still not confident, like, you have to choose to believe it then. Day one, no, you're not good. Objectively, you're not like, it's okay. Year five. You are better. You have to look at all of this data that you have generated, and then you have to choose to believe it, and then act from that. Can you still and will you still be scared or have feelings about certain things? Yes, but it's typically the new things that you haven't done. Moving forward, you have this new foundation. You have stepping stones that you've literally laid in place yourself, and you have to choose to believe the structural integrity of these things.Lesley Logan 19:01  I I'm obsessed with that (inaudible) and I'll okay, Seth Godin, like, probably this is a decade ago, I was listening to podcasts when I couldn't afford coaching. I was like, these people are my coach. And Seth Godin was like, being asked about imposter syndrome, and he said, if you're new at something, you are, in fact, an imposter. And he's just right, so just feel those feelings, and then take the steps to not be that way. And I was like, and he also said, and then also take it as a sign that you're probably not a narcissist as well. So when you, yeah, because you care. So we can remove now that we've, like, established you're not a crazy ego narcissist and you are new. Allow yourself to be new, but then go do the thing. And I so I have had some people, some teachers, at my house, and they graduate from my mentorship program, and they were here at the house for retreat, and when I was like, oh, I can't do this exercise. I can't do this exercise. And I was like, okay, well, let's just see what you can do. So they do it, and they come right up, and I'm like, so you just did it. Shanté Cofield 19:59  So you can, actually, objectively. Lesley Logan 20:02  Yeah and I'm like, you need to believe in you more than I believe in you. Like, yes, I'm a teacher. Right?Shanté Cofield 20:09  That, that is huge, Lesley, that is huge. And I think that one of the things that I will talk to people about, or say to people as they're on this journey, is borrowing confidence, right? And so when we're starting out and we're new with something, one of the best gifts you can give yourself is if someone chooses to believe in you believe them. And so I think about, you know, you had asked, what the podcast, and I love, by the way, how organized your shit is. But one of the things I was asking, in that little, little pre podcast thing, and I was thinking of like, you know, instances, and for me, it was starting with Rock Tape and starting to teach with them. I did reach out, because I was like, I can do this because I was five years into my career already. It wasn't like day one. I was like, I can get people better. Like, I could do this. I could learn and, like, learn how to teach this. But like, I have a solid foundation. I'm good at what I do. But going into this, one of the women, one of the head woman, Allison, Allison Evans, who is my self-pointed mentor. We still talk like nearly every day. She believed in me, and she really believed that I could do this and could teach and like she put me on stages and helped me, and I was like, I'm going to choose to believe her. And that confidence, I did have to borrow it like I had my own coming in, but any that I needed, I would borrow from her and then use that moving forward, so that one of the best gifts that you can give yourself, if you are foundering, faltering a little bit having unsure about things, if someone chooses to believe in you, believe them. Lesley Logan 21:34  Ah, I want to put that on replay. Everyone's gonna rewind that. I wanna put that on replay because, like, I it's so true, years it was probably like 20 this was like 2018 and I had and I had, I had been traveling a bit to I was being hired to teach in different countries, and I was always so shocked. I'm like, oh my god, they found me. This is like, you guys, this is 2014-15. I wasn't really doing it on Instagram. They were finding me through like YouTube and then word of mouth. So then it's like 2018, a girlfriend of mine wanted to host this big event. And she was like, she was picking all of her friends to, like, do it, because we believed in her, right? But so I believed in her that she could do this event. And I found myself on a stage, my husband was actually micing me up. There's 85 people in this class, and I was like, Is this mic on? He goes, No. And I was like, I think I'm a little bit nervous. Like, I think there's a mistake here, right? Like, and he goes, why? And I was like, well, I just don't know, like, 85 people. I've never taught 85 people. And I'm looking at this front row, and there's like, famous teachers in the front row and brand new people in the front row, and I'm having just, like, a little having a little moment, a little imposter moment. And he goes, how is this different than anything you've already done? And it was like, I needed to go back and borrow that comment and also be reminded you've actually done this. It's just more people.Shanté Cofield 22:46  That that that you're human, the reminders, the other people, the people that are believing you, that people are giving them around, like, take all of this. Take all of it. Yes, yes. Yes times a million. Lesley Logan 22:57  Yeah, yeah. Um, okay. So you, you have, you went from, I mean, like, I love Rock Tape, thank God for Rock Tape. But between that, Pilates saved my knees and my hips from all my running career. So very appreciative. And then you got into what people would say is, like, a huge pivot, like, I don't know that many people would like the trend of like, oh, you go your physical therapist, and you're a Rock Tape expert, and then you teach people how to be on Instagram. Shanté Cofield 23:27  Yeah, right. Lesley Logan 23:28  So you had the teacher confidence in you from the teaching you've done, but and you had the confidence in what you've put out and what you grew on your own. But what was the be it till you see it? How did you like, how did you set yourself up to, like, coach people on something completely different than what you went to college studying all that?Shanté Cofield 23:45  Totally, totally. I love the phrase that it's be it till you see it, because you're not actually faking it, right? So to me that my, one of my whole sticks is safety and having a safety net. And so from the outside, people will think you've taken massive leaps. And then if they're like, behind the scenes, or if they actually were with you the whole time, they realize, like, there's these little steps that you just, like, didn't fucking stop them. So everything led to the next thing you know, being able to be on social media and being able to teach in person and give presentations came from the fact that I did it for a zillion years, right? Growing up, going through high school, going through college, and then, PT school, you did a million presentations, so like, going and doing more of them. I'm like, this is the same it's actually not an issue at all. Being able to speak to people and connect with people. That's from being a physical therapist like, that's literally all you do all day long, right? This skill set just carries over to the next thing, coaching, things. I've been in sports my whole life. I've been coaching my whole life. So then going into the online business realm, it wasn't so much of a pivot, because I was doing PT. All I did was I took all my PT stuff and I started putting it on Instagram. Because I was like, I started using Instagram simply because I was like, I would like to connect with other people. I didn't do it to this is 2014 right? I didn't do it to start a brand. I didn't do it because, like, no one was really doing it, to be completely honest, in terms of, like, the PT world there was like, (inaudible) was doing it, Perry Nicholson was doing it. But it wasn't like a big thing to see, like, PTs and Kairos just like.Lesley Logan 25:05  Yeah. I know it's hard for people to believe, but there was a window where social media was just social.Shanté Cofield 25:10  Yeah, right, like, here's my breakfast. There was no. Lesley Logan 25:14  I know. Here's a sunrise. I look at the sunrise. I did just look at this tree. Shanté Cofield 25:18  On my high tone filter here. Like it was not, it was like, not a thing. So I was like, okay, I see people doing it. I just want to connect with people and like, I'm, mind you, I'm five years into my career by now. Like, I was like, I can literally just take what I've been doing during the day. Videos was only 15 seconds long. Like, first iPhone didn't even have, like, a camera, I mean, a video on it. Like it was just like, this is very different way of doing things a different time. So I'm taking my PT stuff, I'm putting that on social media. I grow a following behind that, thinking I wanted to work with CrossFitters, but who followed me was other PTs. And I see why, like, looking back, I'm like, the language I was using, how I was showing up. So then I start teaching them things. I'm running courses. So, like, I'm able to run my own courses, because I worked for Rock Tape, at that point, four years. And so I knew how to run a course. I knew how much I would need to charge in order to, like, turn a profit on this. I had connections all around. I launched my personal course in Australia and New Zealand because I had connections from Rock Tape so it wasn't like, how could you launch a course abroad? I'm like, because I've already done literally 500 like, right? It's not a big thing. So from the outside, maybe it looks like that. From the inside, it's like, it's just the next step. As I'm running all these courses, and anytime I would go and they would, I would be specifically asked to teach a course. I by the by the, like, year three of this, I already knew if that facility asked for me specifically, I already knew that owner was going to be like, hey, can we go out to dinner? And then they were going to ask me business stuff. And they were like, going, they were like, gonna be like, I wanna leave. I wanna do something else. So getting asked all these questions, starting to work with those people, but it was just behind the scenes. People didn't know I'm doing it, but I'm like, I've been doing this for years. So then 2019 comes. I start bringing more of it front facing. Jill and I host a live event. That was my first live event with, like, online business. And I was like, okay, this is new, but I'm borrowing confidence from Jill. Jill believes in me. Cool. I'm going to just stay in my lane with this stuff and teach this stuff and go into that even, because I've been doing it like behind the scenes, but not so front facing. And then 2020 I literally just took all the stuff that I was doing behind the scenes and brought it front facing, right so that, and largely what I was doing initially in 2020 was teaching people how teaching people how to bring their presence online. It wasn't so much of the true like launch strategy and things like that that I learned a ton from Jill and then also going through that subsequently. But I started out with what I knew and what I've been helping with people with already. So the pivot felt like a lot like looked like a lot from the outside, but behind the scenes, it was literally like, okay, it's just the next stepping stone, and taking all that I've done with me and using it for the next step. Lesley Logan 27:46  I am so obsessed with the way that you like, talked about what people see on the outside, and then the baby steps behind the scenes, because I do think that they go, oh, you know, Lesley does this, and she does this, and she does this, and so I'm gonna go do these things. And it's like, okay, behind the scenes, there are 20 people who do the million steps. There are, like, from the time I end this call with you, I don't touch this again until a recap episode, and it goes through all the things that does all this stuff. And then I don't, I just hear it on the places you listen to podcasts too. Like, yeah, because, because behind the scenes, you're not, no one's posting. That's boring. No one actually wants to know how many baby steps are back there. But I also want to highlight that you like, you took what you were being asked a lot, and the experiences you were having, and you were utilizing that. And I think where a lot of people, they try to create it from the end point from, like, where this like, oh, here's Shanté on the stage. So I'm going to do what Shanté is doing on the stage, and then what am I going to talk about? What if you, you know, you got to go back behind the scenes, and like you mentioned earlier, where it's like, I didn't know people had a hard time doing this thing that came so easy to me. And I think, like for anyone listening, if you're wondering what you might be doing, whatever you think is easy, someone else, a lot of other people, think is so hard. They think it's so hard.Shanté Cofield 29:02  That, you're like, oh, I had no idea. Oh, I think that that gets at kind of like, one thing we haven't discussed is, like the societal implications, right? Like, how society and patriarchy and supremacy culture play into all of this, and we are fed this lie that success requires struggle, right, there's a difference. Success requires hard work, but not struggle. So if you go back to this, the surfer analogy, this would be like, you don't know how to swim. You hate the water. There's sharks in there. And people think like, that's how you have to do it in order to be able to like surf. And I'm like, you should maybe stay on land and, like, play volleyball, like, don't do something else, don't even like swimming. Like, what are you? Why do we think we have to be the struggle and such? Yes, there is hard work, but it is with things that you enjoy doing, with people you enjoy being around. And then it doesn't feel like this, like, God, I'm like, pulling teeth, and it's the worst thing ever. I truly believe that humans, left to their own devices, they will create, they will work hard, they will do so much. People are not inherently lazy. We all know, anyone that's listening to this, you have any if you've ever created something of anything, and you're like, I like this thing. You will stay up all night, you'll miss meals, you'll skip these things. I just want to finish this thing like that, it's in us, but we fed this lie that we have to struggle and we have to suffer and it has to be the worst thing ever. It doesn't have to be yes, it's a lot of work. Yes, we should probably expand our timelines for things, right? We'd have timelines in terms of minutes and I'm like, make it years and you'll never fail. Yeah, right now it's minutes and you're like, I didn't do it yet. But if you are finding things, leaning into these things and like, Hey, I'm naturally good at it. That's a good thing. But we're kind of taught, oh, you're naturally good at it. It's easy. That means that you're lazy, or that if you're if you're going to do that, that means that, like, you're taking the easy route, and that's bad. And it's like, no, do the things that you like, do the things that come easily, that that is great. That's what we're going for, not this life of like I hate the things I have to go to, where I have to do this, I have to struggle and suffer for it to be worthwhile. No, no, absolutely not. Lesley Logan 31:06  No. And I think there's, I love the distinction of hard work versus struggle. And you mentioned that, like, like, the the interesting thing, I don't know, intriguing, the crazy thing about the society that we are in currently, it is, like, before I before I before I go on this with you, my team is like, hey, which of these podcasts do you want us to pitch you to? I was like, looking and I'm like, you guys, anything that is just looks like an alpha male, like you can just say no. Like, you don't, you don't have to ask me. I don't care if it's a point 1% podcast. I don't care if I'm the first expert ever. They want to talk about Pilates and how it's good for them. Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, like, I cannot handle that vibe, and I don't need to. I can work hard and not struggle, and that would be a struggle, right? So, like, you know, I I like, no. And I think what a lot of people have done online is like, oh, that's popular. What this dickhead over here is doing is doing is popular, and using the red and the orange, and, like, claiming out, I'm gonna eat only steak and so I'm gonna go that way, you know. And like, people have forgotten to, like, be themselves and be different.Shanté Cofield 32:11  This, this, this, this, this times a million times a million. We're looking at sustainability as well, right? Like, sustainability and longevity, because that's what the play should be, being anything but yourself is unsustainable, yeah? Like, it may bring it might bring you flash in the pan, success. It might it absolutely, you might be able to trend track something and ride that wave for a short term. You might. But we also see, we've seen it publicly in social media, where people are like, I have to stop doing social media. I built this thing. I hate it. I have this massive audience. It's fake. I don't like it. And it's like, yeah. And I'm also thinking about, we're just seeing the end product of that right, where they're just like, I'm so unhappy. I have to, like, stop this person's been living like that for however long. Like, that's not, life is short, man, we're not here to be miserable every day and baking this thing like, I love that you're not this fake it till you make it. I'm like, people be faking it till they die, you know. Like, that's not.Lesley Logan 33:13  It's not it. It's really not so. And talk about like imposters, and you'll never feel that way. I'll so Martha Stewart is not one of my favorite people in the world, although she's a badass and like, let's just give her that. And also, she hasn't been to prison. That was a, just, just a woman doing something a man does, and they're gonna put her in prison. Yeah, so if they want to imprison them on it, then fine, I'm okay with it. But if we're not doing that anyways, different argument. But she had her version of The Apprentice. Like, when I was like, you know, I don't know, maybe was in college or in high school, and I remember someone said, well, we gotta fake it till you make it. And Martha said, We never fake anything around here. And I was like, I mean, come on, Martha, you fake a little bit, right? Like, like, I had this thing. Like, I just remember, and I remember that going, like, really, you don't fake anything. And then as I got older, and I started, like, evaluate I was doing, I was like, I'm not faking anything. This is me. But like, acting like if I had the if I knew how that worked, or if I wasn't scared. So it's just, you know, when we think of what actors do, we don't call them faking it when they're on white lotus, they are acting like this weird character. You know, it gives me nightmares. Yeah? So it's just like, you get to act like the person who would have the confidence you act like the person, who is doing the hard work but not struggling, that helps you make decisions that you can filter through until you are you realize one day you woke up and you are that person. That's who you are, because that's who you always were.Shanté Cofield 34:32  That, that last part though. Lesley, I think that's really huge, because that's who you always were. There's something to be said, if you really sit and dissect this, like, be it till you see it, it's not faking it because, like, it is you, like, maybe you don't know this thing, but it's still you, it's still you choosing to do this. It's still you having the confidence to do this thing. You're not lying to saying to someone and being like, I'm a surgeon, like, that is different. That's completely different, but it is you. But there is no fake to this, like, whether or not it's just the nuance and the verbage there is that you don't have the like, the confidence that you believe someone who's like been this way for a long time has, but it's still you, still in it. Lesley Logan 35:17  Speaking of still you, you've always been the person that I like look to when it's like, okay, what's going on with Instagram? Like, what's going on this thing? Lesley, just get out of your fucking way and do, just do a just do the thing. Like, I'm just like, such a reluctant Instagrammer, because I've done so well with the YouTubes and the other things and so to me, like, I'm just kind of like, I don't, I always hop on trends. Like, I'm like, I'm just like, here's, I'm too busy actually. So here's here's here's a picture of me and my assistant, and I'll get back to you next week, because I got a lot to do, but something that like you I I've been watching you, and you're so good, and you are so creative, and you're always so consistent. And also, after the election, you, to me, I think on the outsider's perspective, people might have thought you were pivoting. You were being you in my, because, maybe because I know you behind the scenes a bit, but like, it didn't seem like a pivot. It seemed like you just got, like, turning the volume up on you. How did is that what you felt like you were doing? Do you feel like you were like, do you did you have pushback when people say you've changed?Shanté Cofield 36:19  There was no, this is a great question. There was no overt pushback. There was obviously, like, losing of followers, right? So there's like a silence pushback, if you will. But I, flip side of that is I didn't have anyone that was like, stay in your lane or stick to politics. Like no one said anything to me. They were just like, okay, I'm gonna show myself the door. And I'm like, that's cool. I also will say, I don't look at numbers. I hate looking at numbers. I hate when people are like so in the numbers, because I also believe that, especially on Instagram, a lot of numbers are fake, not even like people buying followers. I'm like in you think that 60,000 people like this is Instagram with fake money, right? Using house money and rewarding certain behavior and being like, hey, we like what you're doing. We're going to give you followers, don't like what you're doing, we're going to take them away. Like, the metrics that I want people looking at, if we're going to talk Instagram, is going to be your actual interaction. How many comments are you getting, and are they real? Like, are you talking to people? How many DMs? How many conversations are you having? That's the stuff that I care about. And while I lost quote, unquote followers, or I should say, well, I lost quote, unquote followers, that's what I want to be quoting there, my engagement and my DMs did not go down. I got more comments on the post that I've been doing since the election. So I'm like, I'm good actually, and I think that my audience this is I've been showing up this way long enough of just like this is me, and what topic am I speaking about? Right? My whole shtick has been, build, create, live your best life, and we're doing it with authenticity, because otherwise it's not sustainable. It's not your best life. It's some caricatures, you know, best life. And I've just used vehicles right, across the years. It's been vehicles, it's been physical therapy, it's been Movement, it's been Instagram, it's been online business. And now I, you know, I'm just speaking to certain points that are just like this, just, like this, just, we're just talking about life now, there's nothing in in between to like, create metaphors for you. We're just talking about life. I'm just asking you to look at the things that you're doing on the day to day, and the things that are happening around us and the implications of that, and speaking to that. So, you know, it hasn't been difficult in the sense of showing up that way, but it has been difficult for me to have the desire to put out what I consider to be trivial things. I understand it can be helpful for certain people, but like, that's not where I'm at. I also have, like, this kind of, like internal clock that, like, kind of resets every five years when I'm like, okay, something new. So PT was five years, and then the last three I was teaching and shifting away from treating, and then 2020 hit, and I'm, you know, doing all online business. I'm like, it's 2025 my clock is like, yeah, next step. What? What else is there? Lesley Logan 38:51  I love that you have that awareness of yourself. I felt like I have a seven year clock. And I only learned that, like in the like, last year, I was like, kind of felt like, like, I felt like I was claustrophobic in my own clothes, you know. And, you know, here's the thing, like, again, behind the scenes, no one can see what we're having to do to pivot businesses, you know. And it takes time and what I just love that you mentioned, like, it's hard to post about trivial things, or things that feel trivial to me. It has, I will be honest, like, in the ever since, like, the last year, of like, oh, fuck, this is where we're headed. I'm like, does it really? Do you really need a fucking tip on that? Because there's a YouTube video like, I I'm trying to figure that. I'm trying to figure out, how do I, like, how do I as female business owner who coaches female business owners whose clients are coming in and telling them stupid shit about the economy, who's making them doubt that they should raise their rates, even though their rent went up, their utilities went up. Like, the cost to have employees went up. Like, yeah, you have to raise your rates, because that's the only way you stay in business. It's you are not a charity. You are a. Business. If you want to be a charity, go file for that. You know, I am so I I appreciate that, because I had, I found like, you know, not just like, what has gone on with politics, but like, in the last month, we had something happen in our family, and I'm like, I just, I have these brands who want me to post something I I'm sorry, like, I'm gonna fail you right now, what I love is like, you're such, you are human, and you give so many people permission to be that. And I didn't even post a ton. Mostly was all my stories. I was like, if you follow me, like, you're gonna get the real me. And then the stories is where it is. And I people, you know, I just really liked it when you didn't talk about politics. And I said, I'm so sorry. I'm a female business owner that is political. Like, like, I might have privileges of a white person, but like, I'm still a female business owner who literally only gets people to answer things if I, I have my husband on calls for things. Like, I have a I have, like, here it's your job.Shanté Cofield 40:51  People are people, audacity. I wish that the people we coach and people listening to this have the audacity of that person. It comes into your DMs and is like, here's how you should run your account. I wish we all had that audacity. Lesley Logan 41:04  Yes, yes. Oh, my God. Shanté Cofield 41:06  Where did that come from? Lesley Logan 41:07  Yes, we need to find these people. Like, teach them audacity because it's what, that's the word, it is. And like, I just said, I said, oh, you know, this is my account. Like, so I I said, I was just like, this is my account. And like, I think rights are, are actually, like, just real and human rights. But if you don't like hearing about that, you don't have to follow me here. You can just go for free and go on YouTube. In fact, they'll make sure whatever ads you get the ones you wanted. And you can, you can actually just search for the content that you want from me, and if you want to pay for it. In my membership group, we don't talk about politics, but just remember, everything is.Shanté Cofield 41:43  Exactly. Everything is political, and people see that. I'm like, you're just saying that it hasn't affected you. I'm like, but it is. It hasn't affected you in a negative way. I'm like, it's just affecting you, but positively or neutrally, like. So it hasn't been hard to switch to speak about that it's been hard to like, you said, the behind the scenes, business side of things. Like, I run, my number one program that I run is an Instagram intensive, and I haven't run it this year because I'm just like, what do I want to do with this thing? Like, how do I want this thing to look? How do I do I want to do this? Am I wanting to encourage people to go and spend their time with this? Is this company that doesn't give shits of value? Like, there's a lot of thinking around the the intentionality piece. And I'm fortunate in a fortunate place that I like have, I have the savings to be able to, like, chill out, and I have other programs going on, and I already have clients that I can be been working with one on one, so I can hold off on that thing. But that, that has been the only difficulty, but.Lesley Logan 42:38  I thank you for sure, because I think, like when everything went down, I had people in my group going, I don't, I don't want to post on these platforms, because I don't want to give them anything. And I was like, okay, first of all, I agree. Like, I like, just know that, like, thank you. And also, what I will always coach you on is you have to be where they your people are. So where are your people? Because if they are there, then if you're not there, then some dude on rib-eye steak for three meals a day is gonna sell to them. Like they're gonna, they're gonna buy the solution to their problem. So then it's kind of like, how do we play in the field, you know, like, how do we do it? And so that's always been a game. It's always been the game like, how do we play in this, like, the sandbox that gets them out of that sandbox and over into the sandbox we want to play in.Shanté Cofield 43:25  Absolutely, the intentionality and taking a moment and, like, again, bang, bang. Having time is a luxury, right? Time is to me, like, it circles back to being a conversation of, like, what ultimately I wanted, and having this lifestyle business. It's the translation of that is having time flexibility and having time ownership, right? Where I have the time to sit and Covid, we saw the importance of time during Covid. We call it the great pause, because it gave people a moment to be like, wait, what do I want? How do I want to do things? Do I believe in this? Do I agree with this? When we're living in a world that's so fast paced, and you just have to, like, you're just trying to eat, you're just trying to, like, get through the day, you don't have the luxury, you don't the ability to sit and think and be like, so intentional with things, right? It's all by design, right? I can sound like a tin hat. I don't care. It's all by design. I'm in a place where I have the luxury to sit and be like, okay, I want to be intentional in community, super intentional with my business and how I'm showing up and how I'm helping people. What does that look like? Like I totally agree, there's a huge (inaudible) and when it comes to social media, because it's like, yes, these businesses and supporting them, and you're like, But the flip side is, how do I support my people? And if it's like, I have to stay with this nonsense and in this sandbox so that I can reach these people, because that's where they're at, I'm going to do that. And yes, I'm going to have to move them somewhere else and do other things and show up with my values and encourage them to do the same. But you know, this is taking a beat, taking a moment to really fit and identify that, and not just being like, knee jerk, like, I'm done with it all. And like, yeah, I'm burning it all down. It's like, if that's what you want to do, fine, but I'm looking at what's the outcome of that. Why am I doing that? And if my goal is to be able to help people and like, let me take a moment and figure out what feels best and how I want to do that. Lesley Logan 45:01  Yeah, I could talk to you forever, Shanté, I'm just obsessed. And really, we need to have a hang next time you're here, next time I'm there, we're gonna take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. Shanté Cofield 45:12  Sounds good. Lesley Logan 45:13  All right, Shanté, where do you hang out? And we said Instagram. But also, like, give them all the deets. Where can they stalk you in a good way?Shanté Cofield 45:19  Yeah, the deets, I try to keep everything consistent, is just type in The Movement Maestro anywhere, and it'll come up, and then you can do whatever you want with it. My website, movementmaestro.com, Instagram, The Movement Maestro. I'm on threads as The Movement Maestro, and that's the easiest, the easiest thing, if you want to chat, I'm in my DMs. I haven't been posting as much as I usually do, but I will answer a DM in two seconds. I don't like email, so go to my website and email me, but I probably won't get back to you. Someone from my team may get back, maybe. Maybe I'll have Rupert, my cat, get back, but (inaudible).Lesley Logan 45:51  Oh, I will tell you how I got out of my inbox, and I'm loving it. Now I have to, actually, my sister's like you do have to go and respond to the five that I couldn't do. I was like, okay, alright, I'll get there. All right. You have truly given us so much, but you know, we, it would, wouldn't be Be It Till You See It Podcast without the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it? What do you have for us?Shanté Cofield 46:11  We're going to circle back, because repetition is key. Once is never, and I'm going to say what I said before. Just do it scared, right? The confidence, the happiness, the understanding, the clarity that you are looking for, the guidance, the direction, the answers that you're looking for are on the other side of doing the thing. So, do it scared.Lesley Logan 46:27  Yeah, yeah. We firmly believe in that. We cosign on that. And once you do it scared, make sure you let The Movement Maestro know and let Be It Pod know because then we can celebrate you. Because guess what? Celebration is how habits are created. That's how the dopamine hits the brain. It's all science people, all right, loves. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Lesley Logan 46:45  That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.Brad Crowell 47:28  It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.Lesley Logan 47:33  It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.Brad Crowell 47:37  Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.Lesley Logan 47:44  Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.Brad Crowell 47:48  Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. 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Monitoring global networks of seismometers, evangelizing for stronger buildings instead of better predictions, and measuring LA's slow crawl toward Alaska with Lucy Jones, a seismologist in Southern California. Why does she begin counting when she feels the earth start to shake? And how did a nuclear test ban treaty end up boosting the science of earthquakes?Lucy is author of the book The Big Ones: How Natural Disasters Have Shaped Us (and What We Can Do About Them). She also founded the Dr. Lucy Jones Center for Science and Society.The piece composed by Lucy featured at the end of the episode is called "In Nomine Terra Calens: In the name of a warming earth". It was performed and mixed by Josh Lee.WANT MORE EPISODE SUGGESTIONS? Grab our What It's Like To Be... "starter pack". It's a curated Spotify playlist with some essential episodes from our back catalogue. GOT A COMMENT OR SUGGESTION? Email us at jobs@whatitslike.com FOR SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES: Email us at partnerships@whatitslike.com WANT TO BE ON THE SHOW? Leave us a voicemail at (919) 213-0456. We'll ask you to answer two questions: 1. What's a word or phrase that only someone from your profession would be likely to know and what does it mean? 2. What's a specific story you tell your friends that happened on the job? It could be funny, sad, anxiety-making, pride-inducing or otherwise. We can't respond to every message, but we do listen to all of them! We'll follow up if it's a good fit.

“Migration is grace,” says UCLA professor Robert Chao Romero, author of Brown Church: Five Centuries of Latina/o Social Justice, Theology, and Identity. In this episode, he joins Mark Labberton to discuss the immigration crisis through stories from Southern California, theology of migration, and the challenge of Christian nationalism for the American response to the immigration crisis we face. Romero narrates heartbreaking accounts of ICE raids, racial profiling, and dehumanization, while also offering hope rooted in scripture and the early church. He points out the “Xenodochias” of the ancient and medieval church that cared for migrants. And he shows how biblical narratives—from Abraham to Jesus—reveal God's mercy in migration. Romero calls Christians to see the image of God in migrants, resist the “Latino threat narrative,” and reclaim the church's historic role in welcoming the stranger. Episode Highlights “Migration is grace. … You wouldn't have a Bible without migration.” “Jesus lived and died as an outsider in solidarity with all outsiders, and he rose to new life among outsiders.” “The gospel is an outward pushing invitation… it is the pushing out actually into the far and remote places of suffering in need.” “This level of targeting of the Latino community has not happened since 1954 and Operation Wetback.” “We think that crossing the US border is like crossing the Jordan into the promised land, and we're baptized into the Yankee Doodle song.” Helpful Links and Resources Brown Church by Robert Chao Romero UCLA César E. Chávez Department of Chicana/o and Central American Studies Fuller Seminary's Centro Latino CLUE: Clergy and Laity United for Economic Justice World Relief About Robert Chao Romero Robert Chao Romero is an associate professor in the UCLA César E. Chávez Department of Chicana/o and Central American Studies and in the Asian American Studies Department. With a background in law and history, his research and teaching explore the intersections of race, immigration, faith, and justice. He is the author of Brown Church: Five Centuries of Latina/o Social Justice, Theology, and Identity (IVP Academic), which chronicles the long history of Latino Christian social justice movements. Romero is also an ordained pastor, active in local church ministry and theological reflection on immigration, Christian nationalism, and the global church. Show Notes Immigration Crisis and ICE Raids Student testimonies of fear and trauma at UCLA during immigration crackdowns Stories of ICE targeting bus stops, car washes, and Home Depots in Southern California Latino citizens, veterans, and even high school students detained despite legal status A man fleeing ICE was killed in traffic, sparking vigils and protests Historical Parallels and Christian Nationalism Comparison to Operation Wetback of 1954, when over one million were deported Escalating racial profiling, reinforced by Supreme Court decisions “Latino Threat Narrative” portrays Latinos as criminals and unwilling to assimilate Christian nationalism merges citizenship and faith, echoing “manifest destiny” Theology of Migration and Outsiders Migration as grace: God intervenes with compassion in nearly every biblical migration story “We live alongside the world. We don't belong to the world.” “ Jesus lived and died as an outsider in solidarity with all outsiders, and he rose to new life among outsiders.” (Jorge Lara-Braud) Jesus as an asylum seeker in Egypt; Ruth and Joseph as biblical migrants Early church created “xenodochias”—ancient and medieval social service centers for immigrants and the poor Outsider theology: Christians as strangers and aliens, called to care for outsiders “Jesus lived and died as an outsider in solidarity with all outsiders.” Policy Challenges and Misconceptions Millions of mixed-status households trapped by the “10-year bar” in immigration law Asylum seekers legally present cases at the border under U.S. law Refugees undergo extensive vetting, often over decades Common myths about immigrants as “illegal” are contradicted by law and history Faith, Empathy, and the Church Empathy as central to Christian response, counter to narratives of fear and scarcity Latino pastors passing on both the gospel and nationalism from missionary influence The church historically provided refugee care before the UN Refugee Agency existed Worship with immigrant congregations as a source of hope and resilience Orthodox theology: worship joins heaven and earth, every tribe and nation before the Lamb Production Credits Conversing is produced and distributed in partnership with Comment Magazine and Fuller Seminary.  

Here’s a good quote you can find on the Internet: “In times of trouble, don’t give in to your natural reflex of worry. Instead, condition your reflex to pray.” It’s a meme from a man named Greg Laurie. Well, that same Greg Laurie brings us a complete message on how to turn our worries into prayers today as he continues a new series called “Joshua: Living in the Land of Promises.” Glad you’re along for A NEW BEGINNING as we learn to awaken our faith, and put our worries to bed. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Bailey Sarian joins the show today and you know we had to ask her where she'd hide a body! The queen of murder, mystery, and makeup spills all the tea on true crime while dragging Southern California men who apparently don't wash their dicks. (Seriously, what the hell is that about?) And if that's not scary enough, Bailey dishes on the gay ghost that once haunted her apartment. The chills are real, girl! Bailey and Delta also dive into everything from the Black Dahlia to the state of our country, with plenty of laughs along the way. Plus, Delta tears into some Halloween candy and ponders life's big question: What is golf? And baby… how many pars do you think her hole is? Find out in this episode!Listen to Very Delta Ad-Free AND One Day Early on MOM Plus⁠ ⁠Send us an e-mail at readmedelta@gmail.com⁠ FOLLOW DELTA⁠@deltawork⁠ ⁠VERY DELTA IS A FOREVER DOG AND MOGULS OF MEDIA (M.O.M.) PODCASTSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Here’s a good quote you can find on the Internet: “In times of trouble, don’t give in to your natural reflex of worry. Instead, condition your reflex to pray.” It’s a meme from a man named Greg Laurie. Well, that same Greg Laurie brings us a complete message on how to turn our worries into prayers today as he continues a new series called “Joshua: Living in the Land of Promises.” Glad you’re along for A NEW BEGINNING as we learn to awaken our faith, and put our worries to bed. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

271. Ways to Engage with Youth, Teens, and Gen Z in Church and at Home with Dr. Kara Powell   *Transcription Below*   1 Thessalonians 2:8 NIV "so we cared for you. Because we loved you so much, we were delighted to share with you not only the gospel of God but our lives as well."   Kara Powell, PhD, is the chief of leadership formation at Fuller Theological Seminary, the executive director of the Fuller Youth Institute, and the founder of the TENx10 Collaboration. Named by Christianity Today as one of "50 Women to Watch," Kara serves as a youth and family strategist for Orange, and she also speaks regularly at national parenting and leadership conferences. Kara has authored or coauthored numerous books, including Faith Beyond Youth Group, 3 Big Questions That Shape Your Future, 3 Big Questions That Change Every Teenager, Growing With, Growing Young, The Sticky Faith Guide for Your Family, and the entire Sticky Faith series.   Kara and her husband, Dave, are regularly inspired by the learning and laughter that come from their three young adult children.   Questions and Topics We Cover: What insights do you have to share on Gen-Z? When it comes to navigating intergenerational tensions, how can we practically turn our differences into superpowers and unite together? In your most recent book, entitled, Future-Focused Church, you begin with writing that the brightest days of the church are still ahead. What led you to that realization?   Thank You to Our Sponsor: WinShape Marriage   Other Episodes Mentioned from The Savvy Sauce: 127 Generational Differences with Hayden Shaw 2 God-Honoring Relationship Between a Mother-in-Law and Daughter-in-Law with Author of The Mother-in-Law Dance, Annie Chapman   Stories Sampler from The Savvy Sauce Stories Series: 233 Stories Series: Surprises from God with Tiffany Noel 235 Stories Series: Ever-Present Help in Trouble with Kent Heimer 242 Stories Series: He Gives and Takes Away with Joyce Hodel 245 Stories Series: Miracles Big and Small with Dr. Rob Rienow 246 Stories Series: Experiencing God's Tangible Love with Jen Moore   Gospel Scripture: (all NIV) Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”   Romans 3:24 “and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.”   Romans 3:25 (a) “God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.”    Hebrews 9:22 (b) “without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.”    Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”    Romans 5:11 “Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”   Romans 10:9 “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”    Luke 15:10 says “In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”   Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus”   Ephesians 1:13–14 “And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession- to the praise of his glory.”   Ephesians 1:15–23 “For this reason, ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints, I have not stopped giving thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers. I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. I pray also that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened in order that you may know the hope to which he has called you, the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints, and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength, which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. And God placed all things under his feet and appointed him to be head over everything for the church, which is his body, the fullness of him who fills everything in every way.”   Ephesians 2:8–10 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God‘s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.“   Ephesians 2:13 “But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.“   Philippians 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.”   *Transcription*   Music: (0:00 – 0:11)   Laura Dugger: (0:12 - 2:13) Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, where we have practical chats for intentional living. I'm your host, Laura Dugger, and I'm so glad you're here.    I'm thrilled to introduce you to our sponsor, Winshape Marriage. Their weekend marriage retreats will strengthen your marriage while you enjoy the gorgeous setting, delicious food, and quality time with your spouse. To find out more, visit them online at winshapemarriage.org.    I am so honored to introduce my guest for today, Dr. Kara Powell. She is the Chief of Leadership Formation at Fuller Theological Seminary and the Executive Director of the Fuller Youth Institute. She's also founder of the 10x10 Collaboration and named by today as one of 50 women to watch. She is also extremely humble and insightful as she's going to discuss how we can leverage the power of stories and questions in our relationships at church and in our family and in beyond, and this is to model the life of Jesus. Make sure you also stay tuned in through the end because she's going to share a plethora of conversations and questions specifically to ask when we're engaging in conversation with young people, whether that's our own children and teens or our grandchildren or people in the community or our churches. It's some questions that you don't want to miss. Here's our chat.   Welcome to The Savvy Sauce, Kara.   Dr. Kara Powell: (2:07 - 2:09) Oh, it's so good to be with you and your audience, Laura.   Laura Dugger: (2:09 - 2:13) Well, I'd love for you just to first give us a snapshot of your current life and share what's led you to the work that you get to do today.   Dr. Kara Powell: (2:14 - 4:06) Yeah, absolutely. So, let's see. I'll start with family. Dave and I have been married for I think 27-ish years, and we have three kids who are 24, 22, and 19.   Our youngest is a college freshman, and so we're technically empty nesters, but I actually like the term open nesters better because our kids come back, which we love. They come back in the summers and sometimes after college. And we actually, since I live in Pasadena, California, which had the fires in January, we actually have another 22-year-old young woman living with us, which we love.   So, we love having my husband, Dave, and I love having young people around, whether it's our own three kids or the young woman who's living with us. And I'm also a faculty member at Fuller Seminary, and while I certainly teach periodically, my main roles at Fuller actually have to do with leadership beyond Fuller. I'm the chief of leadership formation at Fuller, so I oversee all of Fuller's non-degree offerings, and then I'm the executive director of the Fuller Youth Institute, which is a research center that studies the faith of adolescents.   And I love that question, what got me to the work that I do today? Well, God would be the answer to that, but I was a long-term youth pastor here in Southern California at two different churches, loved teenagers, and Fuller was getting ready to start a new research center that was going to listen to the needs of parents and leaders, and then do research to answer those needs. And that really intrigued me, because I love young people, and I love research, and I love real-life ministry and family.   And so, I thought, well, I would love to hear more about that center, and I've been at Fuller now for over 20 years.   Laura Dugger: (4:07 - 4:17) Wow, that's incredible. And quick side note, I'm just so sorry for everything that you all endured in January with all the fires.   Dr. Kara Powell: (4:17 - 4:39) Yeah, it's heartbreaking, and in some ways, in many ways, devastating. And I'm grateful for how God is working through churches and working through God's people. So, there's all sorts of bright spots in the midst of the pain.   But yes, please pray that churches and God's people would be salt and light, because it's going to be a few years of rebuilding.   Laura Dugger: (440 - 4:43) Yes, Lord Jesus, may that be true. Amen.   Dr. Kara Powell: (4:43 - 4:44) Yeah, thank you.   Laura Dugger: (4:45 - 5:17) And I know with your background, you've studied practical theology, and you also have this broad knowledge of psychology. But some churches haven't studied psychology as much, and so I think that typically leads to less of an appreciation for it. But my fear is that they may miss out if they completely ignore it.   So, will you share some of the benefits that you've seen that come from applying God's truth from any of theologies?   Dr. Kara Powell: (5:17 - 8:14) Yeah, yeah. Well, at Fuller Seminary, we have two schools. One is our School of Mission and Theology, which I'm an alum of and a faculty member in.   And the other is our School of Psychology. And so, Laura, you asked a question that's right at the heart of what we love about training leaders and therapists. And in fact, my favorite statue at Fuller, the title of it is Planting the Cross in the Heart of Psychology.   And that's exactly what we believe. So, you know, God's made us as holistic people. And I love thinking both about how is our theology driving us as well as our psychology.   And you know, one way to think about our psychology, a colleague of mine at Fuller talks about people's losses and longings. And that phrase has been so helpful for me. Like, what are people's losses and longings?   And how is that connected with how they're responding? So, so much of our work at the Fuller Youth Institute relates to young people. And I remember coaching a senior pastor who was experiencing a lot of resistance to prioritizing young people from senior adults.   And what the senior pastor realized is, of course, I shouldn't say of course, but in this particular church, when he was saying we need to prioritize young people, those over 60 felt like, wait, that means I'm not going to be a priority. People who are older often already feel that here in US culture. And so, no wonder that was intimidating, that was threatening, that felt like a loss to those senior adults.   And so, I love what the senior pastor ended up doing is he implemented one of our principles of change that we recommend, which is people support what they create. And so, if you want to build ownership, then how can you involve as many people as possible in creating whatever you're trying to develop? And so, the senior pastor went to the senior adults and apologized for sending a message that, you know, made them feel like they were not going to be priority.   And instead, he said, how can we make this church a church that your grandkids would love to be part of? And that connected with those, you know, post 60, most of whom were grandparents, whether their grandkids live locally, or, you know, globally, they wanted their church to be a place where their grandkids and other young people would connect. And so, you know, he turned senior adults feeling like they were peripheral, to really feeling like they were partners in what God was doing in the church.   And so, yes, I would invite us all to think about what are people's losses and longings? And how is that contributing to how they're responding to whatever we're all experiencing?   Laura Dugger: (8:15 - 10:20) Let's take a quick break to hear a message from our sponsor. 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During your time away in this beautiful place, you and your spouse will learn from expert speakers and explore topics related to intimacy, overcoming challenges, improving communication and more.   I've stayed on Winshape before and I can attest to their generosity, food and content. You will be so grateful you went. To find an experience that's right for you and your spouse, head to their website, windshapemarriage.org/savvy. That's W-I-N-S-H-A-P-E marriage.org/S-A-V-V-Y. Thanks for your sponsorship.   Well, Kara, you've also done so much research on young people and just in general, I'd love to hear what insights do you have on Gen Z?   Dr. Kara Powell: (10:20 - 14:16) Yeah, yeah. Well, we at the Fuller Youth Institute, we have spent a lot of time studying and doing research on Gen Z, which tends to be those who are 14, 15 and up. Our very youngest teenagers are all actually now Gen Alpha, but we'll talk about Gen Z.   And as we've looked at the research, we've landed on three words which we think well describe Gen Z. First, they are anxious. And if we look at young people today, they do have unprecedented levels of mental health challenges, anxiety, depression, stress, even suicidal thoughts.   And so, we do a lot of training to help parents and leaders understand mental health and how they can be a safe space and get young people the help they need. So, this is an anxious generation. This is an adaptive generation.   This generation is so creative and entrepreneurial and visionary. You know, while there's a lot of downsides to technology, technology also helps young people know more about what's wrong in the world and sometimes take steps to make what is wrong right and restore God's justice to our world. And so, this is an adaptive and creative generation.   And then in addition to being anxious and adaptive, this is a diverse generation. Here in the U.S., we crossed a line in 2020. In the midst of everything else that happened in 2020, we crossed a line where now 50% of those under 18 are young people of color.   So, for your audience to just keep that in mind that 50% of those under 18 are white and 50% are young people of color and that percentage of young people of color is likely going to continue to grow. So, I would say those are three key attributes to this generation. And then, you know, when it comes to what this generation is experiencing spiritually, I really appreciate what my friend and fellow podcaster Carey Nieuwhof has described with young people that they are both in revival and retreat.   And, you know, we see data for both. There's so much that's encouraging about how young people are responding to Jesus. They're open to Jesus.   We're seeing this especially on college campuses. They're responding in mass on college campuses in some really beautiful ways. Both InterVarsity and Crew are seeing that.   But then this generation is also in some ways distancing themselves from the institutional church. Springtide Research Institute did some study of 13- to 25-year-olds and found that 13- to 25-year-olds in the U.S. are almost three times as likely to say they've been hurt by organized religion as trust organized religion. So, our 13- to 25-year-olds are distrustful, a little cynical about institutional religion.   And so, we have our work cut out for us to build trust back. And let me just say, sadly, we have earned young people's lack of trust by the way that by our moral failures, by the way that we have not been as loving as Jesus wants us to be and as young people want us to be. And so, the good news is the way that we re-earn trust with young people is by little acts of kindness and consistency.   So, anybody listening can rebuild trust with a young person. The research on trust shows it's not about heroic acts. It's about sending a text and saying, hey, I'm praying for you.   It's about remembering a young person's name at church. It's about showing up at a young person's soccer game. So, in the midst of this generation and being both revival and retreat, there are practical steps that any adult can take.   Laura Dugger: (14:17 - 14:36) Wow, that's so good. You've got ideas now coming to me for how to pour into even the youth group. This is probably a very random idea, but how great would it be to have a Google calendar of all of their events and then whoever in the church is available to go support? That would just be a practical way.   Dr. Kara Powell: (14:36 - 15:45) Okay, so, Laura, you have just named actually one of my favorite ideas that a church that is here in Los Angeles is doing. They created a Google calendar and volunteers as well as parents can add information. But then what this church did, they started with a Google calendar and then it's a church of about 300 people.   And so, they have now started every Sunday morning. They have a slide with what's happening in young people's lives for the next week. So-and-so is in a play.   So-and-so has a basketball game. So-and-so has a Boy Scout activity. And so, adults in the church, often senior adults who have some extra time, are showing up at kids' events.   Plus, every week they're prioritizing young people. So, when you're a young person in that church and every week there's a slide about you and your friends and what's happening, that says something to the young people sitting there. So, yeah, you're-I actually love that idea.   And especially for smaller churches, I think that's one of the big advantages of smaller churches is we can be more intimate and caring. So, yes, let's please do that.   Laura Dugger: (15:46 - 16:00) Oh, that's so good. I love hearing how that played out. And now I'm also curious because you mentioned it's Gen Alpha behind.   Do you have any insight onto them as well?   Dr. Kara Powell: (16:00 - 16:27) Well, you're going to have to have me back because we are just-we received a grant from the Lilly Endowment, who's funded much of our research to study Gen Alpha. And they're just getting old enough that we really can, quite honestly. And so, like literally this week we are working on survey questions for Gen Alpha.   And we'll have more in the next year about what's similar between Gen Z and Gen Alpha, as well as what's different. So, I'd rather wait and save that for later.   Laura Dugger: (16:28 - 16:34) That sounds great. I'm especially interested in that generation. That is all four of our daughters would fall within that. So, I can't wait to hear your findings.   Dr. Kara Powell: (16:34 - 16:36) Yeah.   Laura Dugger: (16:38 - 17:15) And I think it's also bringing up, I'm going to link to a previous episode, Generational Differences with Hayden Shaw, because I don't know if you feel this same way. I think millennials especially got pegged as the generational bias put on them was actually confused with their life stage. And Hayden's the one who wrote about that and drew that to our attention.   So, that's helpful to sift out as we're thinking of young people too, because sometimes older generations can look down on younger generations and see some of the shortcomings. Do you see that as well?   Dr. Kara Powell: (17:16 - 18:55) Oh, for sure. For sure. I think we compare young people to who we are now instead of remembering our 13 and 19 and 25 year old self.   And so, I mean, that's one of our biggest pieces of advice when it comes to young people is instead of judging them, how do we journey with them? How do we really empathize with what they're experiencing? And when we are tempted to judge young people, let's just start at, well, let's just stop and ask ourselves, would we want to be a young person today?   It's so very challenging to be a young person today. I mean, mental health alone, like if I think about my tendency to, as a teenager myself, to compare myself with others, to be worried that I was left out. I mean, if there was a cell phone that showed me everything my friends were doing without me, and I'm stuck at home, like no wonder that young people feel more anxious.   I think I would really be struggling with anxiety if I was a teenager now. I mean, honestly, even at my age, I don't check social media on Friday night or Saturday night, because I might be, Dave and I might be having leftovers and either working or watching a movie on Netflix. And I go on social media and my friends are out with their husbands and having this phenomenal time.   And at my age, that makes me feel insecure, let alone imagine being a 13 or 18- or 22-year-old and navigating that. So, so yes, I think how can we empathize instead of finger point?   Laura Dugger: (18:56 - 19:12) Oh, and you write about how to navigate intergenerational tensions. How can we practically turn our differences into superpowers and unite together? And I guess, especially in the church?   Dr. Kara Powell: (19:12 - 22:39) Yeah, yeah, great question. So, one of our books is called Three Big Questions That Change Every Teenager. And we studied young people to try to understand the deep questions driving them.   And we landed on three. Identity, who am I? Belonging, where do I fit? And purpose, what difference can I make?   Identity, belonging and purpose. And those are that's such a helpful framework to understand young people and to empathize with them.   First off, I would say all of us are wrestling with identity, belonging and purpose. And when I feel emotional heat about an issue, if I feel insecure about something, it's usually because it's pricking at my identity, belonging or purpose. And so, that helps us realize that we navigate those questions, too.   But then also for the we who are parents, stepparents, grandparents, mentors of young people, you know, if a young person we care about is doing something that feels a little odd, a little askew, a little bit, that's not like them. If we can take a step back and ask, OK, what are they wrestling with? Is it identity?   Is it belonging? Is it purpose? That helps us empathize and know how to either ask a better question or, you know, give a little bit of hope rooted in whether that's rooted in scripture or in our own experience.   And so, yes, with our with our three kids, when I take a step back and ask, OK, they're saying something that feels odd or unlike them or I'm surprised this is provoking this response in them. Is it is it their identity, belonging or purpose that's at play here? It's like the penny drops and I come to understand.   So, I would say, you know, if we can wear those identity, belonging and purpose lenses, that really helps us understand young people. The other thing and, you know, I'm a professor, so I would give myself about a C plus in what I'm going to share next. OK, so if this is something I'm working on, it's this it's never make a statement if you can ask a question instead, never make a statement if you can ask a question instead.   And so, the more that we can ask questions about what young people are experiencing, like why, why, you know, in a very nonjudgmental way, like I'm just curious. And I start a lot of my questions with that. I'm curious.   I'm curious, like what does tick tock mean to you? Then, you know, that that can open up a real conversation instead of them feeling like we're somehow judging them for their technological use. I was proud of myself yesterday.   Like I said, I give myself about a C plus on this. But yesterday I was talking to my daughter about something. And I asked her, like, well, because she had stepped up to lead something.   And so instead of offering my advice, I said to her, well, you know, what do you think you did well as you were leading? And is there anything that you would want to do differently? And we were in the line of a fast-food place.   And I thought, yes, way to go. I ask questions instead of making statements, instead of offering my opinion. So, and sometimes we have to offer our opinion, for sure.   But just as a general rule, we can ask questions, especially the older our kids get. They respond to that better than us always sharing what we think.   Laura Dugger: (22:39 - 22:47) Well, and I also think you're even modeling this in the way you share stories is humility. So, when you partner that together, that seems very powerful.   Dr. Kara Powell: (22:48 - 23:53) Yeah, yeah, absolutely. My one of my kids said something so interesting. At Mother's Day, my husband asked each of them to share something that they appreciated about me and which was wonderful to receive that affirmation.   And one of them and I I'm not going to reveal the gender here because I haven't asked this child permission to share this. But what my child said was that I was asking them for advice in a way that made it feel more like we were becoming friends. And I had asked this child for advice in the last couple of months about a couple situations.   And so, again, my kids are 19, 22 and 24. So, you know, it's different with younger kids. But for those of us with older kids, it was significant to this child of mine that I was asking them for advice.   And so, I want to keep doing that. I want to keep doing that. So, because I truly do want their perspective.   Yeah, I truly do want their perspective. And it means something to them when I do.   Laura Dugger: (23:54 - 25:28) Yes, absolutely. And I'm thinking back, this may have been like episode three back in 2018. But I talk with Annie Chapman.   She had written the book, The Mother-in-Law Dance. And what you're saying, she pointed out that what makes us a great parent and especially a great mother, the first half of our children's life or the first portion of our children's life at home, it's the opposite of the latter years. And so, you're right.   You're not probably going to ask your five-year-old for advice. But at your kids' phases, that is significant. Did you know you could receive a free email with monthly encouragement, practical tips and plenty of questions to ask to take your conversation a level deeper, whether that's in parenting or on date nights?   Make sure you access all of this at TheSavvySauce.com by clicking the button that says Join Our Email List so that you can follow the prompts and begin receiving these emails at the beginning of each month. Enjoy.    This discussion with young people is also tied into your recent and optimistic book.   So, I'll hold it up here. It's in and you did co-author this with Jake Mulder and Raymond Chang. So, it's entitled Future-Focused Church, and you begin with writing that the brightest days of the church are still ahead.   So, what led you to this optimistic realization?   Dr. Kara Powell: (25:28 - 26:23) Yeah. Yeah. Well, first, God, you know, this is where being a practical theologian comes into play.   Like I'm always trying to understand what is God up to in this situation and just the way that God is constantly working, redeeming, recreating. So, you know, that's the heart of my optimism and Jake and Ray's optimism as fellow co-authors. And then also Future-Focused Church is based on research we did with over a thousand churches where we journeyed with them in the change process and just the way that they were able to make changes that made them more loving, made them more hospitable to young people.   So, it's, you know, it's people like your listeners and churches like those that your audience is part of. That's what made us optimistic is to see how God is working through actual churches.   Laura Dugger: (26:25 - 26:40) I love that. And even near the beginning, it was on page 26, you succinctly gave a definition of a future-focused church. So, will you share that definition and also elaborate on each one of the facets?   Dr. Kara Powell: (26:40 - 29:17) Yeah, yeah. So, it starts with a group of Jesus followers. And, you know, if you look at the original Greek for church, ekklesia, it's not a building.   We use that phrase incorrectly when we say, you know, I'll meet you at church and we mean a building. It's actually those who are called out or from. So, it's always people in the New Testament.   And so, we believe a church is a group of Jesus followers who seek God's direction together. And that's really important to us is this isn't about what Kara, Jake and Ray think you should do or what the church down the street is doing or even what your denomination is doing. It's you seeking God's direction together.   So, and we could have stopped there, honestly, a group of Jesus followers who seek God's direction together. But then because of the time we've spent with over a thousand churches, because of our commitment to young people, because of what we see happening these days, we added three what we call checkpoints, three things that we think should be priorities for churches these days. One is relationally discipling young people.   And, you know, we were intentionally using the words relationally discipling. It's not just entertaining. It's not just standing near young people at worship service.   But how are we actually investing in young people? And then secondly, modeling kingdom diversity. Again, if you look at our country ethnically and racially, we are a diverse country.   And so, how can we model that? How can our churches reflect what our neighborhoods are? And then thirdly, tangibly loving our neighbors.   Jesus said that, you know, they will know that we are Christians by our love for another, for each other, as well as our love for neighbors. And so, how can we make sure that we are really a place that is salt and light? As I mentioned, you know, we are trying to be in Pasadena as churches these days as we're recovering from the fires.   So, we encourage churches to look at those three checkpoints in particular. But then again, we want churches to figure out what God is inviting them towards. So, maybe that's more prayer.   Maybe that's being more involved globally in evangelism, you know, whatever it might be. Seek that direction together. But then what we try to do is give a map to get there, because a lot of churches know what they want to change, but don't know how to bring about change.   And so, that's actually what the bulk of our book is about, is helping leaders know how to move their church from here to God's direction for them.   Laura Dugger: (29:18 - 30:27) And that's incredible that you walked with so many churches through that process. But I was especially encouraged by you being partial to sharing stories. And so, we recently did an entire stories series on The Savvy Sauce, and it was so compelling and faith building.   I can link to a sample of those in the show notes. But you write about stories shaping culture. And I just I want to share your quote and then ask you how we can actually implement this.   So, your quote is from page 57, where you write, “Organizational culture is best communicated and illustrated by stories. As well modeled by Jesus, one of the best ways to shift the culture of a church is through the disciplined and consistent telling of clear and compelling stories that invite a different culture and way of being.” So, Kara, how have you seen this done well?   Dr. Kara Powell: (30:27 - 33:10) Yeah, yeah. Well, I think about whatever system we're in, whether it's our families or whether it's our churches or whatever organization we're in. Yeah, our stories become really the key messages of what our culture is.   And so, I want to go back to that church that we were talking about that had a Google calendar and now does a Sunday announcement every week of kids' events. Well, that church is also capturing stories of the 81-year-old who showed up at the 16-year-old soccer game, who didn't even know her all that well, but just had a free Thursday afternoon and knew that she was playing. And the pastor who was also on the sidelines at that soccer game, who ended up talking to both the parents of the 16-year-old and the 81-year-old.   And so, that became a story for that church of how different generations are supporting young people. And so, that pastor has told that story multiple, multiple times. You know, I just think about in our family, our kids love hearing our stories.   And that's part of how they I mean, it's a big, a big theme and how they come to know what it means to be a Powell. So, you know, earlier I said, you know, I said, never make a statement if you can ask a question instead. I think the exception to that, Laura, is if we're going to tell a story because stories communicate so much.   One of our one of our children is struggling with being anxious about something. And I was anxious last night. I never lose sleep.   I so rarely lose sleep. But I did last night. I was up for about an hour and a half in the middle of the night, finally ended up having a prayer time.   And that helped me go back to sleep. But I'm looking forward to telling my child, who's also struggling with anxiety, that story of me experiencing some, you know, 3:00 a.m. anxiety and what eventually helped me is kind of reflecting on a mantra I feel like God's given me. And I want to share that with my child, not to nag them, but just to let them know that, you know, in our family, this is how we want to try to respond to anxiety.   And maybe my story can be helpful for you the next time that you're struggling with it, which might be today. So, so, yes, the more that we can share our present and our past experiences, whether it's as individuals, families, organizations, the more that we communicate the cultural values that we want.   Laura Dugger: (33:11 - 33:45) That's so good. And I love how you're relating that to parents as well, because from the very youngest ages, tell me a story. And if it's like if we remember a story of them when they're a child, they just grasp onto that.   And we when we're tired at the end of the night, if we run out of our stories, we love even just reading aloud true stories of other people, too. OK, and I'm partnering then thinking of stories and one of your facets about I love how you said it. I'd love for you to repeat. Is it strategically discipling, relationally discipling?   Dr. Kara Powell: (33:45 - 33:46) Yeah.   Laura Dugger: (33:46 - 35:03) OK, so my brother and sister's church, I'm just going to highlight theirs because I love something that both of them are doing with our nieces and nephews. They just have them, the youth, write down three names of somebody in a different generation above theirs that they would enjoy getting to know, spending time with. And then they get matched with one of those people and they enter a yearlong mentorship relationship.   And I'm just thinking, one, their mentors all happen to be open nesters. And the male and female who have mentored our nieces and nephews, the female took our nieces, would send them a copy of a recipe, say, get these groceries this week. I'm coming to your house on Tuesday and we're going to cook all of this together and have it ready for your family dinner.   Just so practical and that they just build a love for each other. And then a similar thing with our nephews, where whatever that mentor's skill was, he was great at even making, I think, wood fired pizzas and just showing them practical skills, but relationally investing. And you see the youth's growth and maturity from that discipleship.   Dr. Kara Powell: (35:03 - 36:17) So, yeah, that's awesome. And not only the young people, but the adults, too. Like what's been so great, Laura, is, you know, while much of our research has looked at how adults change young people and how churches change young people, every time we study that, we see how young people change adults and churches, too.   So, you know, for that male and female who are mentoring your nieces and nephews, how they come to understand more about themselves, God, life, scripture, as they're spending time with young people, that's just really, really powerful. So, I also want to highlight, I love how your example, how it starts by asking young people, like who are some adults that you would like to spend more time with that you look up to? And, you know, we would do that with our kids when we needed babysitters.   Like who are some adults that you would like to get to know and how wonderful then that we could ask those adults, especially if they were of babysitting age, to come and be with our kids. And that way we were getting the babysitting we needed and our kids were getting the mentoring that they needed. So, so, yes, I think, you know, giving a young person some agency and who they spend time with, that's really beautiful in that example.   Laura Dugger: (36:18 - 36:21) Oh, that's and that's genius for a family life.   Dr. Kara Powell: (36:21 - 36:22) Yeah, exactly, exactly.   Laura Dugger: (36:23 - 36:39) Well, you also share some other helpful tips for churches, such as considering questions like, would anyone miss our church if it closed down? So, do you have any other practical tips that you want to make sure we don't miss?   Dr. Kara Powell: (36:39 - 40:19) Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, I'll offer a few questions that we have found really helpful. And I'll start with questions when your kids are in elementary and then I'll give a couple of questions when your kids are older.   So, so one of the questions that we love asking at dinner when our kids were in elementary was, how did you see God at work today? And I will say that when I first raised that question, one of my daughters said, “Well, mommy, I can't answer that question. And I said, why not?”   She said, “Well, I don't have a job. How did you see God at work today? So, then we had to say, well, how did you see God working today?”   And I, you know, and equally important as our kids asking that question is that we were, excuse me, as our kids answering that question is that we were answering that question. And so, so, you know, any way that you can involve meaningful sharing, whether it's a dinner, whether it's a bedtime and that you are sharing, too. So, so that that's been a great one for our family.   And then when your kids get older, a couple come to mind. One is two pairs of questions actually come to mind. One is, you know, the phrase never make a statement.   Maybe you can ask the question said sometimes we do need to offer our advice as parents, our perspective. And I have found when I do that with my kids is now that they're late young adults, if I ask them first, well, what do you disagree with and what I said and give them an opportunity to critique what I said, then and then I ask a second question. OK, well, what might you agree with and what I said?   They're far more open to sharing what they agree with if they first have had a chance to critique me. So, I offer that as in those moments when you do need to offer your opinion or perspective, how can we still make it a dialogue? One way is to invite your kid to critique you.   And they'll probably point out things that you do need to reconsider, or at least it's good to hear those from your young person. Another pair of questions that that I have found so helpful with our kids is as they get older and really come to own their own faith. I love asking our kids, what do you now believe that you think I don't believe?   And what do you no longer believe that you think I still believe? So, what do you now believe that you think I don't believe? And what do you no longer believe that you think I still believe?   What I love about that is that it's making overt that our faith is going to continue to change and grow. And that's true for all of us. And it also makes differences discussable, because I'd far rather know how my kids' faith is changing and how it's different or similar than mine than not know.   And, you know, as we've asked our kids those questions over the years, sometimes their answer is like, not much has changed. Like, you know, but other times they do have different opinions that they want to share with me. And then I try to have that non-defensive, oh, OK, well, I'm curious.   Then again, starting phrase with I'm curious and then asking a question has given us some of the best conversations. So, you can get really tangible. How did you see God at work today?   But then as your kids get older, ask questions that that are more open-ended and can help you really understand where your kids are at.   Laura Dugger: (40:20 - 41:15) I love that.    And I'm just thinking if people are listening like I listen to podcasts, it's when I'm on the go, when I'm doing a walk in the morning or if I'm cleaning around the house. And if you don't get a chance to take notes, we do have transcripts available now for all these episodes, but I would think so many people have written in about dialogue and questions for teenagers and how to handle.   And I love the way you responded to all of that. So, even grab the transcript and write down those questions and try them at dinner or bedtime tonight. But then even thinking of churches for practical tips, what do you have as far as hospitality and the impact that it could make if we're building relationships through hospitality?   But you also call out three ways to build relationships through sharing meals, sharing stories and sharing experiences.   Dr. Kara Powell: (41:15 - 43:08) Yeah, absolutely. You know, I think you've named it, Laura. How do we have a hospitable, open heart and open churches?   And I just want to go back to this question. Like, is our church a place that our kids and our grandkids would want to be part of? And if we keep asking that question, I think it helps us prioritize the next generation and make space for them at our meals, within our stories and within our experiences.   Now, I will say this, you know, I talk so much about intergenerational relationships and bringing the generations together. Like, I do think there's a time and a place for 16-year-olds to be on their own and 46-year-olds to be on their own and 76-year-olds to be on their own. It's just finding that balance of when do we bring all the generations together?   And then when do we want to have those special life development, life stage development conversations ourselves? And most churches are swinging far more toward we keep generations separate and need to swing the pendulum back to how can we have shared meals together? How can we serve together in ways that are shared?   And, you know, I'll just say this last thought when it comes to sharing experiences, especially those that are service. You know, a lot of churches have young people who are serving. They're in children's ministry, they're in sound, they're in tech, etc.   And that's awesome. And I think the question becomes, like, how can that young person be more than just a warm body who passes out graham crackers? And how can I think, OK, I'm teaching third graders and I'm also trying to mentor this 15-year-old who's working with me with the third graders and same with sound.   So, you know, anytime you're interacting with young people, it's an opportunity to influence, especially as you're sharing more about yourself.   Laura Dugger: (43:10 - 43:15) Love that. And you seem like an idea person as well. So, I'm going to bounce another idea.   Dr. Kara Powell: (43:16 - 43:16) Yeah.   Laura Dugger: (43:16 - 43:45) What I'm gathering is obviously we're keeping Jesus at the center and you're not downplaying the need for scripture or Bible study. And those kind of things but also adding there is value in I'm thinking shared experience. Specifically, I'm thinking of pickleball.   It's something that appeals to a wide age range. What if your church had invested in a pickleball sport to do something that could bring people together? So, what are your thoughts on that?     Dr. Kara Powell: (43:45 - 45:22) Yeah. Yeah. Pickleball, you know, senior adults who need tech help from teenagers.   That's another great way to connect people. I mean, any kind of shared interest 1 Thessalonians 2:8 is such an important scripture passage for me when it comes to discipleship. And Paul writes that we were delighted to share with you not just the gospel, but our very lives.   And so, how can we share life, whether it's pickleball, whether it's pizza? I'm running out of alliteration here. I was trying to do something else that started with P.   And for leaders who are listening, how can you take what you're already doing and make it more intergenerational? So, that's the other thing we like to tell churches is whether it's pickleball or whether it's well, we're already serving at the local homeless center to help people who are unhoused. Well, instead of that only being a youth event, maybe make that an all church event and see if adults come who can be mentoring young people.   So, you know, I love what one church did. Many churches have done this, actually, when they're looking for small group for homes where small groups can be for young people instead of going to like the parents of the teenagers. What if we go to our senior adults or our open or slash empty nesters and see if they'll open their homes?   Because then it's bringing more adults into contact with young people. And those adults who open their homes can also open their lives. So, yeah, just continuing to ask, how can we make this more of a connection across generations?   Goodness.   Laura Dugger: (45:22 - 45:39) And you have so many ideas and some of these are mentioned in this book, but you've also written many more helpful resources. So, will you give us an overview of the other books that you've authored and share a bit of what we might find if we read? Dr. Kara Powell: (45:39 - 46:42) Yeah. So, our most recent book, as you've mentioned, is Future Focus Church, and that's especially geared to help leaders know how to move a ministry from where they are now to where God wants it to be. It's been so great to journey with leaders through that.   Probably our best book that offers a ton of questions you can ask young people is Three Big Questions That Change Every Teenager, where we get into identity, belonging and purpose, which I mentioned. And we have over 300 questions that an adult, whether it's a family member or a mentor or a neighbor or congregant can use with young people. And then the last one I'll offer is The Sticky Faith Guide for Your Family comes out of our previous Sticky Faith research.   How do you help young people have faith that lasts? We have a special chapter in that book for grandparents. So, for any grandparents who are listening, that whole book and that chapter is a great resource.   But also we have had a lot of parents, stepparents say that The Sticky Faith Guide for Your Family has been one of their favorite books.   Laura Dugger: (46:43 - 47:02) That's incredible. I'll have to link to those in the show notes for today's episode. But I'm sure you're aware we are called The Savvy Sauce because Savvy is anonymous with practical knowledge.   And so, as my final question for you today, what is your Savvy Sauce?   Dr. Kara Powell: (47:03 - 48:16) That's a really good question, Laura. OK, I'll say I'll share the first thing that came to mind when you asked it. Gosh, probably 10 or 12 years ago, I read a book and from the book I adapted a phrase for my work life and my personal life, which is if it's not a definite yes, it's a no.   As a busy mom, as a busy employee, as a busy leader, I see potential in so many things. And so, I want to say yes to so many things. And then I end up tired.   I end up empty. I end up not being able to say yes to something maybe better that comes a month later because I've already committed to, you know, plan my seventh graders camping trip or give a talk or, you know, whatever it might be. And so, that phrase, we made it a six-month experiment in the Foley Youth Institute as well as in our family.   Like it's not a definite yes, it's a no. And it really helped us say no to things, trim and I think find a much more manageable pace. So, as we pray, as we pray, it's not a definite yes, it's a no.   That's been game changing for me.   Laura Dugger: (48:17 - 48:57) Well, I love how much you've modeled applying these things at your work or in our church, but also in our family life. It's all transferable. And Kara, this has just been a super special conversation because you've been on my list to have a conversation with for over a decade, probably since I got my hands on Sticky Faith.   And I just appreciate we've been talking as we were praying before we were recording. You desire so much, not only for young people, but for all people to experience this abundant life in Christ. And I'm so grateful for you and just want to say thank you for being my guest.   Dr. Kara Powell: (48:57 - 49:03) Oh, my pleasure, Laura. And thanks to you and how you serve your audience as well as our world. It's been an honor.   Laura Dugger: (49:04 - 52:19) One more thing before you go, have you heard the term gospel before? It simply means good news. And I want to share the best news with you, but it starts with the bad news.    Every single one of us were born sinners, but Christ desires to rescue us from our sin, which is something we cannot do for ourselves. This means there's absolutely no chance we can make it to heaven on our own. So, for you and for me, it means we deserve death and we can never pay back the sacrifice we owe to be saved.    We need a savior, but God loved us so much. He made a way for his only son to willingly die in our place as the perfect substitute. This gives us hope of life forever in right relationship with him.    That is good news. Jesus lived the perfect life. We could never live and died in our place for our sin.    This was God's plan to make a way to reconcile with us so that God can look at us and see Jesus. We can be covered and justified through the work Jesus finished. If we choose to receive what he has done for us, Romans 10:9 says, “that if you confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”    So, you pray with me now. Heavenly father, thank you for sending Jesus to take our place. I pray someone today right now is touched and chooses to turn their life over to you.    Will you clearly guide them and help them take their next step in faith to declare you as Lord of their life? We trust you to work and change lives now for eternity. In Jesus name we pray.   Amen. If you prayed that prayer, you are declaring him for me. So, me for him, you get the opportunity to live your life for him.    And at this podcast, we're called The Savvy Sauce for a reason. We want to give you practical tools to implement the knowledge you have learned. So, you're ready to get started.    First, tell someone, say it out loud, get a Bible. The first day I made this decision, my parents took me to Barnes and Noble and let me choose my own Bible. I selected the Quest NIV Bible and I love it.    You can start by reading the book of John. Also get connected locally, which just means tell someone who's a part of a church in your community that you made a decision to follow Christ. I'm assuming they will be thrilled to talk with you about further steps such as going to church and getting connected to other believers to encourage you.    We want to celebrate with you too. So, feel free to leave a comment for us here. If you did make a decision to follow Christ, we also have show notes included where you can read scripture that describes this process.    And finally, be encouraged. Luke 15:10 says, “in the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” The heavens are praising with you for your decision today.    And if you've already received this good news, I pray you have someone to share it with. You are loved and I look forward to meeting you here next time.

What if the secret to a longer, healthier, and more purposeful life isn't about diets or exercise routines, but about connection, purpose, and how we approach aging itself? In this conversation, Ken Stern author of the new book Healthy to 100: How Strong Social Ties Lead to Long Lives.  He shares powerful lessons from his travels across Asia and Europe, where he studied some of the most vibrant societies with a track record of longevity. From intergenerational living to lifelong learning, Ken challenges the way we think about retirement and shows how our later years can be a time of renewal, engagement, and meaning. If you've ever wondered how to thrive in the decades ahead, this episode will give you a fresh perspective—and the motivation to design your own path. Ken Stern joins us from Washington DC. _________________________ Bio Ken Stern is the Founder of the Longevity Project, which fosters public conversation on the impact on longer lives on civil society, and engages a global audience through events, research and newsletters. Stern is the host of the award-winning podcast Century Lives, from the Stanford Center on Longevity. Stern is the author of the new book Healthy to 100: How Strong Social Ties Lead to Long Lives. He has also been a regular contributor to a diverse group of publications such as Vanity Fair, The Atlantic, and Slate. He is also the CEO of Palisades Media Ventures, a Washington D.C. thought leadership company. Stern was previously the CEO of National Public Radio. Prior to joining NPR, Stern was a senior executive in American International Broadcasting, beginning his media career with Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty in Munich. Stern, a lawyer by training, holds degrees from Haverford College and Yale Law School. He lives in Washington, DC with his wife Beth and their son Nate. __________________________ For More on Ken Stern Healthy to 100: How Strong Social Ties Lead to Long Lives __________________________ Podcast Conversations You May Like The Super Age – Bradley Schurman Joyspan – Kerry Burnight, PhD Retiring: Creating a Life That Works for You – Teresa Amabile ___________________________ About The Retirement Wisdom Podcast There are many podcasts on retirement, often hosted by financial advisors with their own financial motives, that cover the money side of the street. This podcast is different. You'll get smarter about the investment decisions you'll make about the most important asset you'll have in retirement: your time. About Retirement Wisdom I help people who are retiring, but aren't quite done yet, discover what's next and build their custom version of their next life. A meaningful retirement doesn't just happen by accident. Schedule a call today to discuss how the Designing Your Life process created by Bill Burnett & Dave Evans can help you make your life in retirement a great one — on your own terms. About Your Podcast Host Joe Casey is an executive coach who helps people design their next life after their primary career and create their version of The Multipurpose Retirement.™ He created his own next chapter after a 26-year career at Merrill Lynch, where he was Senior Vice President and Head of HR for Global Markets & Investment Banking. Joe has earned Master's degrees from the University of Southern California in Gerontology (at age 60), the University of Pennsylvania, and Middlesex University (UK), a BA in Psychology from the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, and his coaching certification from Columbia University. In addition to his work with clients, Joe hosts The Retirement Wisdom Podcast, ranked in the top 1% globally in popularity by Listen Notes, with over 1.6 million downloads. Business Insider recognized Joe as one of 23 innovative coaches who are making a difference. He's the author of Win the Retirement Game: How to Outsmart the 9 Forces Trying to Steal Your Joy. ____________________________

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October 5, 2025; 8am: President Trump's new attempt to exert control over higher education is being called a “code-red” by California Gov. Gavin Newsom. The University of Southern California is just one of the nine institutions that the Trump administration is pushing to commit to the president's political agenda. Erwin Chemerinsky joins The Weekend to discuss how it is impacting college campuses across the nation and why it's "extortion."For more, follow us on social media:Bluesky: @theweekendmsnbc.bsky.socialInstagram: @theweekendmsnbcTikTok: @theweekendmsnbcTo listen to this show and other MSNBC podcasts without ads, sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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When astronauts used to orbit the moon, there was a period of about 45 minutes when they were on the back side of the moon and couldn’t receive any signals from NASA’s Mission Control. Those were the longest 45 minutes of the mission! Well, believers often go through periods of disconnection from the wisdom of God’s Word. We’re without that supernatural power and direction. Today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie helps us reconnect to Scripture, and see more success in our walk of faith. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

There's no lead singer in Trousdale. The trio of Quinn D'Andrea, Georgia Greene, and Lauren Jones, has shared vocal duties equally since they started singing together as students at the University of Southern California's Thornton School of Music. Since then, they've touring the world and released a sophomore album, Growing Pains, that features the trio's impeccable harmonies over 70s-inflected country-rock grooves. In this episode, Trousdale returns to their alma mater to play acoustic versions of "Growing Pains" and "Secondhand Smoke" and then speak to Professor Nate (plus an audience of music students) about how they forged their indivisible sound. Songs Discussed Trousdale - Growing Pains, Over and Over, Lonely Nights, Movie Star Jackson Browne - Doctor My Eyes MIKA - Grace Kelly Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A new report details the Eaton and Palisades fires, including failures in the emergency response. But this report bears striking similarities with another -- which chronicled the response to the 2018 Woolsey Fire in Southern California. LAist science reporter Jacob Margolis discusses the reports and what they mean for L.A. County moving forward. Grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/paradise Visit www.preppi.com/LAist to receive a FREE Preppi Emergency Kit (with any purchase over $100) and be prepared for the next wildfire, earthquake or emergency! Support for this podcast is made possible by Gordon and Dona Crawford, who believe that quality journalism makes Los Angeles a better place to live.

Scott is joined by colleague Rick Langer to discuss: Faith and Politics after the Kirk Shooting – A provocative article on whether Christians should see themselves as warriors or servants, contrasting combative approaches with Dallas Willard's vision of gentleness in apologetics and civil discourseAbortion Statistics: Good News and Bad News – New data shows reduced abortions in some states with restrictions, but also a troubling rise in overall numbers due to abortion pills, raising questions about law, intention, and outcomesHuman Eggs from Skin Cells – Recent breakthrough in creating eggs from skin cells, its promise for fertility, and its troubling ethical implications around commoditization of human lifePregnancy Robots and Artificial Wombs – A look at claims from China about developing robotic artificial wombs, and the broader concerns about manufacturing babies and eroding human dignityListener Question on End-of-Life Care – Response to a heartfelt question about “minimal comfort feeding” in hospice, reflecting on the distinction between preserving life and prolonging death==========Think Biblically: Conversations on Faith and Culture is a podcast from Talbot School of Theology at Biola University, which offers degrees both online and on campus in Southern California. Find all episodes of Think Biblically at: https://www.biola.edu/think-biblically. Watch video episodes at: https://bit.ly/think-biblically-video. To submit comments, ask questions, or make suggestions on issues you'd like us to cover or guests you'd like us to have on the podcast, email us at thinkbiblically@biola.edu.

A new report details the Eaton and Palisades fires, including failures in the emergency response. But this report bears striking similarities with another -- which chronicled the response to the 2018 Woolsey Fire in Southern California. LAist science reporter Jacob Margolis discusses the reports and what they mean for L.A. County moving forward. Grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/paradise Visit www.preppi.com/LAist to receive a FREE Preppi Emergency Kit (with any purchase over $100) and be prepared for the next wildfire, earthquake or emergency! Support for this podcast is made possible by Gordon and Dona Crawford, who believe that quality journalism makes Los Angeles a better place to live.

A new report details the Eaton and Palisades fires, including failures in the emergency response. But this report bears striking similarities with another -- which chronicled the response to the 2018 Woolsey Fire in Southern California. LAist science reporter Jacob Margolis discusses the reports and what they mean for L.A. County moving forward. This LAist podcast is supported by Amazon Autos. Buying a car used to be a whole day affair. Now, at Amazon Autos, you can shop for a new, used, or certified pre-owned car whenever, wherever. You can browse hundreds of vehicles from top local dealers, all in one place. Amazon.com/autos Grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/paradise Visit www.preppi.com/LAist to receive a FREE Preppi Emergency Kit (with any purchase over $100) and be prepared for the next wildfire, earthquake or emergency! Support for this podcast is made possible by Gordon and Dona Crawford, who believe that quality journalism makes Los Angeles a better place to live.

A new report details the Eaton and Palisades fires, including failures in the emergency response. But this report bears striking similarities with another -- which chronicled the response to the 2018 Woolsey Fire in Southern California. LAist science reporter Jacob Margolis discusses the reports and what they mean for L.A. County moving forward. This LAist podcast is supported by Amazon Autos. Buying a car used to be a whole day affair. Now, at Amazon Autos, you can shop for a new, used, or certified pre-owned car whenever, wherever. You can browse hundreds of vehicles from top local dealers, all in one place. Amazon.com/autos Grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/paradise Visit www.preppi.com/LAist to receive a FREE Preppi Emergency Kit (with any purchase over $100) and be prepared for the next wildfire, earthquake or emergency! Support for this podcast is made possible by Gordon and Dona Crawford, who believe that quality journalism makes Los Angeles a better place to live.Support LAist Today: https://LAist.com/join

When astronauts used to orbit the moon, there was a period of about 45 minutes when they were on the back side of the moon and couldn’t receive any signals from NASA’s Mission Control. Those were the longest 45 minutes of the mission! Well, believers often go through periods of disconnection from the wisdom of God’s Word. We’re without that supernatural power and direction. Today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie helps us reconnect to Scripture, and see more success in our walk of faith. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Remembering Jane: a conversation with Jane Goodall on her storied careerScience lost a unique pioneering figure this week. Jane Goodall — primatologist, conservationist and activist — died at the age of 91. In 2002, she visited the Quirks & Quarks studio to talk with Bob McDonald ahead of the Canadian launch of her IMAX film Jane Goodall's Wild Chimpanzees. Bob and Jane spoke about how a girl growing up in urban England developed a love for animals, why scientists critical of her work were wrong, and how she was able to get close to the wild chimpanzees in Gombe Stream National Park. Scientists can predict what colour a person is looking at based on brain activityScientists can predict what colour a person is looking at based on brain activityDo you see what I see? New research says you do. Using brain imaging technology, scientists were able to predict what colour a person was looking at by reading their brain activity. This suggests that everyone responds essentially the same way to certain colours. Michael Bannert, a postdoctoral student at Tuebingen University in Germany, led the research published in the Journal of Neuroscience.A Mars rover spots strong evidence of ancient life on the red planetEarlier this month, NASA revealed that their Perseverance rover gathered what could be the strongest evidence yet that life may have existed on Mars. Using the rover's scientific instruments, scientists identified two minerals in an ancient river that they say are most often found as a result of microbial life here on Earth. They also set aside a sample for a future return mission. Joel Hurowitz, a geologist at Stony Brook University, says he can't wait to get the sample back to Earth to find out if it truly is a sign of life. It was published in the journal Nature.Life at the limits: searching for 'Intraterrestrial' life deep within the Earth's crustA new book explores the latest research into the search for life deep inside the Earth, where the sun doesn't shine and oxygen doesn't reach. Scientists travel to some of the most geologically dangerous regions of our planet to understand how life forms in extreme environments, and answer deep questions like the origin of life on Earth and what life might be like off of our planet. Karen Lloyd, a subsurface biogeochemist from the University of Southern California, is the author of Intraterrestrials: Discovering the Strangest Life On Earth.

A new report details the Eaton and Palisades fires, including failures in the emergency response. But this report bears striking similarities with another -- which chronicled the response to the 2018 Woolsey Fire in Southern California. LAist science reporter Jacob Margolis discusses the reports and what they mean for L.A. County moving forward. Grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/paradise Visit www.preppi.com/LAist to receive a FREE Preppi Emergency Kit (with any purchase over $100) and be prepared for the next wildfire, earthquake or emergency! Support for this podcast is made possible by Gordon and Dona Crawford, who believe that quality journalism makes Los Angeles a better place to live.

This segment from the Omni Talk Retail Fast Five, sponsored by the A&M Consumer and Retail Group, Mirakl, Ocampo Capital, Infios, and Quorso, covers Sprouts Farmers Market's announcement to open 20 in-store Klatch Coffee cafes across Southern California. Anne explains why this move is perfectly aligned with Sprouts' destination shopping experience... customers who visit Sprouts are in a different mindset, taking time to discover new products and consult with specialized staff. Adding locally-sourced, independent brand coffee creates an elevated experience similar to getting champagne at a department store. Chris highlights that Sprouts has massive "dry powder" for growth: they're only in 24 states, just launched their loyalty program, operate an optimized smaller store format, and now add coffee shops as another traffic driver. When shoppers linger with coffee, basket sizes increase... making this a savvy operations play.

A new report details the Eaton and Palisades fires, including failures in the emergency response. But this report bears striking similarities with another -- which chronicled the response to the 2018 Woolsey Fire in Southern California. LAist science reporter Jacob Margolis discusses the reports and what they mean for L.A. County moving forward. Grow your business–no matter what stage you’re in. Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at SHOPIFY.COM/paradise Visit www.preppi.com/LAist to receive a FREE Preppi Emergency Kit (with any purchase over $100) and be prepared for the next wildfire, earthquake or emergency! Support for this podcast is made possible by Gordon and Dona Crawford, who believe that quality journalism makes Los Angeles a better place to live.

Emylee sits down with artist-entrepreneur Alex Camacho—the force behind Acid Queen Jewelry—for a real talk on fitness, mindset, and building a business that lasts. We cover her athlete-to-artist journey, how the Limitless Challenge reframed goals, why “80% done is 100% perfect,” and how to use AI as a tool (not a shortcut) to analyze data, calm emotions, and stay the course. We get into macros, petite body composition, pull-up milestones, meditation for money fear, and the parallels between training and entrepreneurship.You'll learn:Routine goals vs outcome goals (and why that changes everything)Using scans, wearables & photos without spiralingPetite strength & aesthetics: precise tweaks that move the needleFacing money fears with data + daily practiceWhere AI helps (and where it doesn't)If this episode helped, hit Subscribe, drop your current routine goal in the comments, and share with a friend in their “80% done” season.Welcome to the Pac, please make sure you subscribe wherever you are listening to this show and if you loved this show please leave us a 5 star review in the iTunes store. It is the currency of podcasts and it really goes along in helping us grow our show.Connect with Alex InstagramIf you are in Southern California come train with us Echo ParkRedondo BeachIdyllwildPalm SpringsFollow Pharos, Piet and Emylee on Instagram for more fitness related content. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

If you enjoy this podcast and look forward to it in your inbox, consider supporting it by becoming a paid yearly subscriber for $60 or you can buy me a cup of coffee for $8Welcome to another episode of "Dishing with Stephanie's Dish." Today, I interview acclaimed food writer, wild foods expert, and self-described hunter-gatherer Hank Shaw. Hank is the author of the brand new cookbook, "Borderlands: Recipes and Stories from the Rio Grande to the Pacific," an exploration of the flavors, cultures, and stories that define the borderlands between the United States and Mexico. He also has a Substack that's wonderful, called Hank Shaw “To The Bone” and a website full of recipes.In this episode, Hank and I dive into everything from his early days as a restaurant cook and investigative journalist to his passion for foraging, preserving, and hunting wild foods. Hank discusses the vibrant mix of culinary traditions that thrive along the border, debunks myths about iconic ingredients (like acorns!), and shares the fascinating histories behind beloved dishes such as chimichangas and parisa.They also touch on practical advice—like the art of drying herbs, the joys and challenges of single-person food preservation, and the ins and outs of self-publishing cookbooks at a high level.Get ready for an episode filled with storytelling, culinary wisdom, and inspiration for your next adventure in the kitchen or the great outdoors. Whether you're a curious home cook, an aspiring cookbook author, or simply a lover of good food, there's something here for everyone. Let's get started!Original Episode Transcript Follows:Stephanie:Hello, everybody, and welcome to Dishing with Stephanie's Dish, the podcast, where we talk to fun people in the food space and sometimes they have cookbooks. And today's author is an author. He's an author of great magnitude, Hank Shaw. His new book is Borderlands Recipes and Stories from the Rio Grande to the Pacific. And Hank, you are such a prolific, beautiful writer. This book, I feel like, is just so you. Do you love it?Hank Shaw:It's been a long journey to make this book, and I'm pretty proud of it. And it's. It's been probably the biggest project of my adult life in terms of time, commitment, travel, really unlocking understanding of things that I thought I knew but didn't necessarily know until I got there. And it's just been this. This crazy, fantastic journey and a journey that you can eat.Stephanie:Can you talk a little bit about your history? Like, I think many people know you as the hunter, forager, gatherer, type, and Borderlands obviously has a lot of those elements to it. But can you just walk readers that are listeners that might be new to your journey kind of through how you got here?Hank Shaw:Sure. Many, many years ago, when I was still fairly young, I was a restaurant cook. So I worked first as a dishwasher and then as a line cook and then as a sous chef in a series of restaurants, mostly in Madison, Wisconsin. And I left that job to be a newspaper reporter. And I ended up being a newspaper reporter for 18 years. And I cooked all throughout that and traveled and learned more about food and did fishing and hunting and foraging and such. And then I left the News Business in 2010 to do my website, which is hunter, angler, gardener, cook. And I've been doing that full time since 2010.So, yeah, my entire kind of current incarnation is wild foods. But Borderlands is kind of an outgrowth of that for two reasons. The first is I've been basically written all of the fishing game books you can possibly write already. I've got one for every kind of quarry you can imagine. And then the other thing was, oh, well, you know, a lot of that travel for those other books was on the border on both sides, on the American side and on the Mexican side. And that kind of grew into this. Wow, you know, God, the food is so great and God, this area is just so neglected, I think, by most, you know, the. The food, or radio, for lack of a better term.Yeah, because all of the, like, everybody seems to love to hate Tex Mex without really fully knowing what Tex Mex actually is. And people say that the Southwestern cooking is so very 1987. And. And, you know, the people who know Mexico are like, oh, all the good foods in Oaxaca or Michoacan or Mexico City or Yucatan. And really that's not the case, as over and over and over again, I was discovering these amazing just finds. And a lot of them had to do with wild foods, but not all of them. And so that borderlands became my diary of that journey.Stephanie:And quite a diary it is. What's interesting to me is I didn't actually ever know that you were in the newspaper business.Hank Shaw:And that makes a Pioneer Press graduate.Stephanie:Oh, you work for them. How did I not know this?Hank Shaw:Yeah, I was a St. Paul Pioneer Press investigative reporter from 2002 to 2004. And if you're of a certain age and you remember there was a big story about some Republican operatives getting involved with a telecommunications boondoggle. And yeah, that was probably. That was us. That was our story.Stephanie:Well, and it makes sense because the book is so like. It's the storytelling that's so good. And, you know, cookbooks are cookbooks with beautiful recipes and different people's point of view on recipes. But what I love about your book, too, is it really goes into ingredients a little more in depth. It tells the story of the terroir, of where the recipe's from and why it's the way it is. And it makes sense now to me that you're a journalist because it's so beautifully written.Hank Shaw:I really appreciate that. I mean, I tried in this particular book. There are essays in all of my books, but in this particular one, I really, really wanted people from the rest of the country to get a flavor of what it's like to was really honest to God, like on the border. Everybody has thoughts and opinions about immigration and about the border and about blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, how much time have you actually spent on the border? Do you actually know what it feels like, what it smells like, what it tastes like? Chances are you probably don't. And I really wanted this book to shine a light on that in ways that go well beyond food.Stephanie:When we talk about the borderlands, can you talk about it without talking about immigration and the close connection between the United States and Mexico? I mean, we share this border. People have this idea that it's like this gated, fenced situation, and really there's tons of the border that's just. You'd only know it was a border if someone told you you were crossing it.Hank Shaw:It's very true. In Fact, one of my favorite moments to that was in south southwest Texas there's a beautiful national park called Big Bend. It's one of the biggest national parks in the country. It's fa. It's famous, it's amazing. But you're going to drive and hike and hike and drive and hike and drive a gigantic park. So one place that you can go to. And it's actually, if you open up a copy of Borderlands and you see this huge vista right at the beginning of the book, there's this huge vista and it's on a cliff. That is exactly it. That is. That is Big Bend National Park. And if you're looking right in the back end of that back center, a little to the left, you'll see a canyon in the background. In that canyon is St. Helena Canyon. And St.Helena Canyon is created by the Rio Grande. So you can go to that park and you can walk across the border literally to Mexico and not have the Rio Grande come up over your ankles. And there's Mexicans on their side, there's Americans on our side, and everybody's crossing back and forth until their families are there and having a fun time, blah, blah, blah. And it's just, it's one of these great moments where it shows you that, yeah, that border is really just sort of a fiction.Stephanie:Yeah. Yes, in many ways. Right. Figuratively. And also, I don't know, we seem to be in a global food economy whether we want to or not. When you look at the individual ingredients that you're using here in Borderlands, obviously there's very different things because of temperature in Mexico than you might have here in the Midwest. But is it really different from like say, Texas to Mexico in.Hank Shaw:Yes, there, there are definitely different. So the food you'll get in Nueva Leon or Coahuila or Tamaulipas, which are the three Mexican states, that border Texas is going to be different from what you would think about as Texas food. However, on the Borderlands, that. That change really is minimal. And I talk about in the book the idea of Fronteraisos, people who are neither fully Mexican nor full. They're. They're border people and they can slide between English and Spanish in mid clause. And it's really the, you know, the, the pocho or Spanglish or whatever you want to call it that you'll hear there is very different from what you'll hear from a bilingual person from, say, Mexico City, where typically those people will speak in full sentences or paragraphs in one language and then maybe switch to another language in the next sentence or paragraph.Hank Shaw:Well, on the border, it's a mishmash. So the structure, the words, the adjectives, like, it's everything. It's like no function. And so it's like. It's like this whole kind of amalgam of what's going on. And that kind of translates into the food where you've got some Texas, you know, some very Texas. Texas. Things that don't cross the border, like yellow cheese doesn't really cross the border.Stephanie:Right.Hank Shaw:The idea of, like, rotel queso. So it's. It's like Velveeta cheese melted with rotel. That's queso. That's the bad queso in North Texas. Like, you'll get that in, like, Amarillo. But the real queso is south of Interstate 10. And that is a white Mexican cheese.That it where you get, you know, roasted fire roasted green chilies folded into it and a little bit of Mexican oregano and salt and a little bit of crema to thin it out. And it's is to the rotel queso what a match is to the sun.Stephanie:Yeah.Hank Shaw:And, you know, I mean, that said, I'm not gonna poop all over the Velveeta one, because that while I don't think it tastes great, what I realized is that particular version of queso, which I personally don't like, is really heavy with cultural significance.Stephanie:Yeah.Hank Shaw:And. And so that's. There's a place for it. It's just not. That's not really as border food as you might think. That's a little bit more North Texas, and that's an example of where things don't cross. But a really great example of where things are damn near the same is Arizona and Sonora. So that there's almost no difference between Arizona Mexican food and Sonora Mexican food because they're one and the same.The burritos are pretty similar. The flour tortillas are similar. The carne asada is pretty similar. And so that. That's a case where the border's really. I mean, yes, it's a border, but I mean, it's like the. It's. There's no food border.Same thing with Southern California and Tijuana and Northern Baja. There's almost no. No functional difference between the two of them. Now, New Mexico and Chihuahua has a difference. And, like, north of Interstate 10 in Texas and the border in Texas are quite different.Stephanie:There's a recipe in here that I didn't even really know existed called Parisa.Hank Shaw:Oh, yeah.Stephanie:And, you know, you we will order steak tartare or make tartare. And I didn't realize that there was a. In many cultures, you sort of see similar foods or similar food groups, and they're just treated differently with herbs or spices. This looks delicious.Hank Shaw:It really is. It's the best way to describe it if you. If you're not familiar, because it's very. It's. It's super regional in Texas. Like, you can't even really get barista in Dallas or in. Or in El Paso. It's not a thing there.It's sort of a south central Texas thing. But the best way I can describe it is really accurately describe it. It is steak tartar meets aguachile. Because most people will say it's steak tartare meat ceviche. And yes, you absolutely can get it like that, but the. The acidity and the citrus will turn the. The raw beef gray, which I think looks gross. Yeah, I mean, it.It tastes fine, but it just kind of looks like, meh. So my recipe and what I do is I. I mix the steak tartare with the. Essentially, pico de gallo is really what it. What it's being mixed with, and a little bit of cheese, and I. I'll mix it and serve it right away so that when you eat it, the meat is still pink.Stephanie:Yeah, it looks really good. And then also in the book, so you're a hunter, obviously, we established that. But in many of these recipes, you have substitutions of different animal proteins that can be used. So whether it's elk or bison or sheep or duck, I think that's cool.Hank Shaw:Yeah, I mean, I think I. I started that process. It's done with icons. So if you look at a recipe for. Oh, there's a stew that's very popular. They're called puchero. And I'm just to that page, so I'll. So.Oh, that's a sour puerto. So always pork, but, like, no. Babies will die if you use something else from that. But that is traditionally a pork dish. Buchero is traditionally beef or venison, but really, you know, you're gonna be fine if you put damn near anything in it. It's a big, giant stew, a lot of vegetables, and it's fantastic. And to. To really make the book more versatile, because I.The two things that I always do in my books. Number one is I'm going to give you the recipe as faithfully as I can to what it actually is, wherever it's from, and then I'm going to give you all these substitutions so that if you live in, you know, Bismarck or Crookston or, you know, rural Iowa, you're going to be able to make it. And that's important to me because it's more important to me that you make some version of it than to be exactly proper and specific. I hate cookbooks where it's like, especially with cheese, where you'll see someone be like, it must be the, you know, Cowgirl Creamery point raised blue from 2012. Otherwise this recipe won't work. I'm like, come on guys, this is a stupid recipe. Like it's blue cheese. It'll be fine.Stephanie:I was surprised that you have a chimichanga in the book. Can we talk about chimichangas? Because people that grew up in the Midwest, Chichis was like the first Mexican restaurant besides El Burrito Mercado. And El Burrito Mercado was authentic and chichi's was like the Americanized what they thought Mexican food was. Which also I will say I have taste memories of chi cheese. I say this not dogging on them and they're actually coming back. And the chimichanga is something that like, if I actually go to the new restaurant, which I'm sure I will, I will order a chimichanga. It's like a taste memory for me. What is the origination of chimichanga?Hank Shaw:It's shrouded in mystery. So there's a couple different theories. And then I'll tell you what I think the general story is that a woman was making burritos in Arizona and either dropped, which I don't believe because that would create a splash that would, you know, send 350 degree oil everywhere, or placed a burrito in the deep fryer. And the, the legend, which I don't believe this is true at all, is she drops the burrito in the deep fryer and you know, says something like, you know, ah, chingo to madre or whatever, like just like swears something bad and. But then sort of does what you would do in a kind of a mom situation. And if you instead of saying the F word, you would say oh, fudge. And so she goes, oh Jimmy changa. And which is sort of vaguely reminiscent of some Mexican swear words.And so that thus the, the dish was born. But I think that's not true because there is a fantastic resource, actually. I mean, I found it in some of my older Mexican cookbooks that I own. But there's a fantastic research that the University of Texas at San Antonio of Mexican cookbooks. And some of these Mexican cookbooks are handwritten from the 1800s, and so they're all digitized and you can. You can study them. And so there's a thing in Sonora. Remember I just got done saying that, like, there's almost no difference between Sonora and Arizona.There's a thing from Sonora many, many, many, many years ago, you know, early early 1900s, for a chivy changa. C H I V I C H A N G A ch and it's the same thing. So I'm convinced that this is just a thing, because if you have a burrito and you fry things, there's zero. There's zero chance that at some point you be like, I want to. I wonder if frying the burrito will make it good? You know, like, the answer, yes, yes, all the time.Stephanie:And.Hank Shaw:And so, you know, I, like you, came into the chimichanga world just thinking with a definite eyebrow raised, like, what is this? And when it's done right, and if you see the picture in my book, it is dressed with a whole bunch of things on the outside of the burrito. So it's crema, it's a pico de gallo. It's shredded lettuce or cabbage, limes. The thing about a properly served chimichanga is that you have to eat it as a whole because the chimichanga itself is quite heavy. You know, it's a. It's a fried burrito with, like, rice and beans and meat inside it. Like, it's a gut bomb. But when you eat it with all these light things around it that are bright and fresh and acidic, it completely changes the eating experience. And I was sold.Stephanie:I can imagine. The one you have in the book looks really good. I'm going to. I keep asking about specific recipes, but there were, like, some that just jumped out at me, like, wow. Another one that jumped out at me was from that same chapter about the acorn cookies. I've always been under the impression that acorns, and maybe it's from just specific to the oaks, but that they're poisonous. I didn't think about making acorn flour.Hank Shaw:So, number one, no acorns are poisonous. Zero, period. End of story. It's a myth. You were lied to. Sorry.Stephanie:Yeah. I mean, it helps me because my dog eats them.Hank Shaw:I mean, acorns have been a source of food for human beings forever, you know, all the way. I don't know how long ago, but way more than 10,000 years. Way more. Okay, so what the myth comes from is most acorn varieties, so most especially red oaks, are full of tannins. And tannins are not poisonous. Tannins are not toxic. Tannins will make you constipated if you eat too many of them. And I suppose it would be possible to poison yourself with tannins, but I mean, good luck.Yeah, good luck eating enough of that astringent stuff to be able to get yourself poisoned. But tannins are water soluble. So for millennia, the people who eat acorns, and especially in. In northern California, where, you know, acorn. Acorns were their main starch, the idea of leaching the tannins out in a stream or wherever is as old as time. And so you make the. You make a meal. It's really a meal is probably a better way to put it.I call it flour, but there's no. There's no real gluten in it. In fact, there's no gluten in it, but there is some starch in it that will help the flour stick to itself. So that's true everywhere. In fact, it's a very good acorn year here in Minnesota this year. And I found some bur oaks in a. In a place that I'm going to go back and harvest them to make some more acorn flour this year. And I'll have to leach them here.But this is a very long walk up to this cookie recipe, because in south Arizona and in Sonora, there's an oak called an emery oak. And the emery oak is in the white oak. It's in the white oak clan. And it is sweet in the sense that you can roast those acorns and eat them. And in fact, you can get roasted acorns as a snack on some of the reservations down there or really wherever. I mean, it's a thing like it's. It. It.They could just roast it. Roast the acorns? Yeah. It's just like a chestnut. Very good. That's exactly with the. Because it's the same kind of a texture as well. And so that particular oak is unique in. In North America.The cork oak in Europe is the other one that doesn't have any tannins to it. So you can just sit there and eat them. And that's why they make flour out of them. It's an indigenous thing. You don't really see it too much among the Hispanic Sonorans. You see it a lot more with, like, Yaqui or Pima or Tono O', Odham, those indigenous groups.Stephanie:It's so Cool. I also subscribe to your substack, which I would encourage people to subscribe and. And yes to the Bone, it's called. And you just had a post about herbs and how important herbs are in your cooking and in your yard. And I know that you have kind of a small St. Paul yard because we've talked about it. What are you doing with your herbs now that we're at the end of the season? Are you. Do you have anything that's special that you do with them? Do you dry them? Do you mix them with salt?Hank Shaw:I do all of the above. I am a preservation fanatic. I could talk for hours just about various ways to preserve things for our Minnesota winners. Maybe that's another podcast for sure. But the short version is, yes, all of the things. I mostly will do things like make pesto with basil, because I love pesto. But I do dry some and there are tricks to drying herbs. The trick is low heat for a long time, so the don't use your oven and try to get them dry within 40, 48 hours, but also try to do it at less than 110 degrees, otherwise they turn brown.Stephanie:Do you use it like a dehydrator, then?Hank Shaw:Yes, I use a dehydrator. And most herbs dry really well. In fact, many herbs are better dried because it concentrates their flavor. Basil's iffy. Parsley's kind of terrible. Dried parsley's one of those ones where eat it fresh, make pesto. I suppose you could freeze it. I mostly will.I will gather big scabs of it because I grow a lot and I will freeze it. And even though it's going to suffer in the freezer, it is one of the most vital things I use for making stocks and broths with the game I bring home. So freezing, drying, you can, you know, I just mixed a whole bunch of. Of lovage with salt. So you go 50, 50 the herb and. And coarse salt, like ice cream salt almost. And then you buzz that into a food processor or a blender, and then that creates a much finer kind of almost a wet salt that is an enormous amount of flavor. And if you freeze it, it'll stay bright green the whole winter.And sometimes I like to do that, but the other times I kind of like to. To see it and progress over the. Over the months. And it's kind of a beautiful thing to see that herb salt kind of brown out and army green out as we get to like, late February, because it really is. Is sort of also indicative of how of our Harsh winters and feels a little bit more of the time and place than pulling something out of a freezer.Stephanie:Yeah. So let's talk about that because you're a single man, you are a recipe writer and developer, so you're also cooking and testing recipes. You're preserving all these things. I mean, my freezer right now is kind of a hellscape. I just closed up my summer and I came home with so much food. I have, like, canned and pickled and preserved. And I just literally feel overwhelmed by all of the food in my home right now. And I realize this is a real first world problem.So, you know, my daughter's kind of in her young 20s and sort of poor, so I've loaded her up with stuff. But do you just feel overwhelmed sometimes by all of the abundance of food?Hank Shaw:Absolutely. It's one of the things that's been really remarkable about it, about sort of single life, is how less I need to hunt or fish. So I find myself. I mean, I still. I. Because. So, side note, background backstory. I don't buy meat or fish at all.I occasionally will buy a little bit of bacon because I love bacon. And I'll occasionally buy pork fat to make sausages with game, but that's it. So if I'm eating red meat, it's going to be venison. If I'm eating white meat, it's probably going to be grouse or. Or pheasants. If I'm eating fish, I've caught it. And so that's what I find is that I eat. Hey, I don't eat that much meat anymore.Like, I eat plenty. But I mean, it's not like I. I don't gorge myself on giant steaks anymore. And it's just me. So, you know, a limit of walleyes can last me a month. And before, it was definitely not like that. And so, yes, I can feel the overwhelm. But what's, you know, I have neighbors that I give things to.I have friends that I give things to. Like, I. I had two deer tags last year, and I shot the second deer because I had a whole bunch of friends who didn't get a deer and needed medicine. So it was really cool to be able to give to. You know, I butchered it all and gave them an all vacuum seal. It was like all ready to go. And. And that was really satisfying to be able to help people like that.And then, you know, I like, you know, have a dinner party here and there.Stephanie:Yeah, I want to come to a dinner party. Not to invite myself. But please, I'll. I'll reciprocate in the. I have a cabin in the summer, so I'm sort of like between here and there. But once sets in, I really like to entertain and have people over. I find that it's a really easy way to gather new people too. Like, I like collecting people because I just think people are so amazing and I love putting like, new people at the table that people don't know yet or making those connections.I think I'm actually kind of good at it. So I can't wait to have you over this fall.Hank Shaw:Yeah, likewise. We'll. We'll do a home and home.Stephanie:Yes, I would love that very much. Your book is available, Borderlands on. I found it because obviously I. You sent me a copy. But also it's on Amazon and you self publish. So there's a lot of people that listen to this podcast that are cookbook writers themselves or people that maybe are trying to get published or find publishing. Can you speak to that a little bit and why that's been your route. You've been doing this a long time.Hank Shaw:Yeah, this is my force. Fourth self published book. And self publish is really kind of a misnomer in a way because the books that I put out are of Random House quality. Like, they're for sure. There's no way you're gonna be able to tell this book is apart from a gigantic publishing house, because what I ended up doing is creating a publishing company. So the books are published in big, big runs at Versa Press in Illinois. I'm very happy to say that these books are entirely made in America. And that's kind of important to me because most cookbooks are made in China and not a fan.So the books are printed in Illinois and they are stored and shipped at a, at a, a warehouse in Michigan. So the best ways to get the books are to either buy them from my website or buy them from Amazon. Those are probably your two best avenues for it. The thing about self publishing, if you want to do it at the level that I'm doing it, which is to say, make a book that, you know, even a snooty Random House person will be like, damn, that's a good book. You have to go big and it's not cheap. So I do, I, I don't ever do runs less than 5,000. And a typical run for me is between 10 and 15,000. And because your unit costs go way, way down.Stephanie:Right.Hank Shaw:And we can get in the weeds of it, but I have some Advantages in the sense that my sister has designed books for a living for 30 some odd years and her husband has edited books for 30 some odd years.Stephanie:Oh, so you got like family business going.Hank Shaw:Yeah, and my ex, my ex does most of the photos like this. Borderlands is the first book where the majority of the photos are mine. They're nice, but the. But even she's cheap. She photo edited this book. And so like I have people with very good skills. And so what I would say is if you have a kitchen cabinet where you have people who have those skills. And I have to kind of stress that, for example, copy editing, copy editing or proofreading or indexing a book are entirely different from copy editing or proofreading something in businessIt's just not the same skill. And I found that out. So if you have that ability to put together a dream team, then you can make a really, really beautiful book that will, that will impress people and that you will actually love. The print on demand system is still not good enough for cookbooks. It's fantastic for like a memoir or something without a lot of pictures, but it is not good for, for cookbooks still.Stephanie:All right, I'm just making notes here because people ask me questions about this all the time. All right, well, I appreciate that you've done all this work, and the book is beautiful, and I love talking to you about food. So hopefully we can call you again and just wrap it down.Hank Shaw:Yeah, let's talk about preservation.Stephanie:Yeah, I. Because I've never met anyone that only was eating what they killed.Hank Shaw:Well, you could go up north. I bet you'd find more people who do.Stephanie:But yes, yes. And I just, I find that to be fascinating and also just the idea of preserving food and how you use. Use what you preserve. So yeah, that's a great topic to get into at a later date. The book is Borderlands. I'm talking with Hank Shaw. Recipes and Stories from the Rio Grande to the Pacific. You can find it at Amazon or at his website.I always say this one wrong. Hunt, Gather. CookHank Shaw:So. So the best way to get to my website is just go to huntgathercook.com okay.Stephanie:And you have lots of recipes there too. I want people to just explore thousands. Yeah, it's incredible the mon recipes that you have there. And you know, if you think about protein as being interchangeable in a lot of these instances, it's definitely a really well done website with tons of recipes.Stephanie:Thanks for your time today, Hank. I appreciate it.Hank Shaw:Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me on.Stephanie:We'll talk soon.Hank Shaw:Bye.Stephanie:Bye. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit stephaniehansen.substack.com/subscribe

If you enjoy this podcast and look forward to it in your inbox, consider supporting it by becoming a paid yearly subscriber for $60 or you can buy me a cup of coffee for $8Welcome to another episode of "Dishing with Stephanie's Dish." Today, I interview acclaimed food writer, wild foods expert, and self-described hunter-gatherer Hank Shaw. Hank is the author of the brand new cookbook, "Borderlands: Recipes and Stories from the Rio Grande to the Pacific," an exploration of the flavors, cultures, and stories that define the borderlands between the United States and Mexico. He also has a Substack that's wonderful, called Hank Shaw “To The Bone” and a website full of recipes.In this episode, Hank and I dive into everything from his early days as a restaurant cook and investigative journalist to his passion for foraging, preserving, and hunting wild foods. Hank discusses the vibrant mix of culinary traditions that thrive along the border, debunks myths about iconic ingredients (like acorns!), and shares the fascinating histories behind beloved dishes such as chimichangas and parisa.They also touch on practical advice—like the art of drying herbs, the joys and challenges of single-person food preservation, and the ins and outs of self-publishing cookbooks at a high level.Get ready for an episode filled with storytelling, culinary wisdom, and inspiration for your next adventure in the kitchen or the great outdoors. Whether you're a curious home cook, an aspiring cookbook author, or simply a lover of good food, there's something here for everyone. Let's get started!Original Episode Transcript Follows:Stephanie:Hello, everybody, and welcome to Dishing with Stephanie's Dish, the podcast, where we talk to fun people in the food space and sometimes they have cookbooks. And today's author is an author. He's an author of great magnitude, Hank Shaw. His new book is Borderlands Recipes and Stories from the Rio Grande to the Pacific. And Hank, you are such a prolific, beautiful writer. This book, I feel like, is just so you. Do you love it?Hank Shaw:It's been a long journey to make this book, and I'm pretty proud of it. And it's. It's been probably the biggest project of my adult life in terms of time, commitment, travel, really unlocking understanding of things that I thought I knew but didn't necessarily know until I got there. And it's just been this. This crazy, fantastic journey and a journey that you can eat.Stephanie:Can you talk a little bit about your history? Like, I think many people know you as the hunter, forager, gatherer, type, and Borderlands obviously has a lot of those elements to it. But can you just walk readers that are listeners that might be new to your journey kind of through how you got here?Hank Shaw:Sure. Many, many years ago, when I was still fairly young, I was a restaurant cook. So I worked first as a dishwasher and then as a line cook and then as a sous chef in a series of restaurants, mostly in Madison, Wisconsin. And I left that job to be a newspaper reporter. And I ended up being a newspaper reporter for 18 years. And I cooked all throughout that and traveled and learned more about food and did fishing and hunting and foraging and such. And then I left the News Business in 2010 to do my website, which is hunter, angler, gardener, cook. And I've been doing that full time since 2010.So, yeah, my entire kind of current incarnation is wild foods. But Borderlands is kind of an outgrowth of that for two reasons. The first is I've been basically written all of the fishing game books you can possibly write already. I've got one for every kind of quarry you can imagine. And then the other thing was, oh, well, you know, a lot of that travel for those other books was on the border on both sides, on the American side and on the Mexican side. And that kind of grew into this. Wow, you know, God, the food is so great and God, this area is just so neglected, I think, by most, you know, the. The food, or radio, for lack of a better term.Yeah, because all of the, like, everybody seems to love to hate Tex Mex without really fully knowing what Tex Mex actually is. And people say that the Southwestern cooking is so very 1987. And. And, you know, the people who know Mexico are like, oh, all the good foods in Oaxaca or Michoacan or Mexico City or Yucatan. And really that's not the case, as over and over and over again, I was discovering these amazing just finds. And a lot of them had to do with wild foods, but not all of them. And so that borderlands became my diary of that journey.Stephanie:And quite a diary it is. What's interesting to me is I didn't actually ever know that you were in the newspaper business.Hank Shaw:And that makes a Pioneer Press graduate.Stephanie:Oh, you work for them. How did I not know this?Hank Shaw:Yeah, I was a St. Paul Pioneer Press investigative reporter from 2002 to 2004. And if you're of a certain age and you remember there was a big story about some Republican operatives getting involved with a telecommunications boondoggle. And yeah, that was probably. That was us. That was our story.Stephanie:Well, and it makes sense because the book is so like. It's the storytelling that's so good. And, you know, cookbooks are cookbooks with beautiful recipes and different people's point of view on recipes. But what I love about your book, too, is it really goes into ingredients a little more in depth. It tells the story of the terroir, of where the recipe's from and why it's the way it is. And it makes sense now to me that you're a journalist because it's so beautifully written.Hank Shaw:I really appreciate that. I mean, I tried in this particular book. There are essays in all of my books, but in this particular one, I really, really wanted people from the rest of the country to get a flavor of what it's like to was really honest to God, like on the border. Everybody has thoughts and opinions about immigration and about the border and about blah, blah, blah. And it's like, well, how much time have you actually spent on the border? Do you actually know what it feels like, what it smells like, what it tastes like? Chances are you probably don't. And I really wanted this book to shine a light on that in ways that go well beyond food.Stephanie:When we talk about the borderlands, can you talk about it without talking about immigration and the close connection between the United States and Mexico? I mean, we share this border. People have this idea that it's like this gated, fenced situation, and really there's tons of the border that's just. You'd only know it was a border if someone told you you were crossing it.Hank Shaw:It's very true. In Fact, one of my favorite moments to that was in south southwest Texas there's a beautiful national park called Big Bend. It's one of the biggest national parks in the country. It's fa. It's famous, it's amazing. But you're going to drive and hike and hike and drive and hike and drive a gigantic park. So one place that you can go to. And it's actually, if you open up a copy of Borderlands and you see this huge vista right at the beginning of the book, there's this huge vista and it's on a cliff. That is exactly it. That is. That is Big Bend National Park. And if you're looking right in the back end of that back center, a little to the left, you'll see a canyon in the background. In that canyon is St. Helena Canyon. And St.Helena Canyon is created by the Rio Grande. So you can go to that park and you can walk across the border literally to Mexico and not have the Rio Grande come up over your ankles. And there's Mexicans on their side, there's Americans on our side, and everybody's crossing back and forth until their families are there and having a fun time, blah, blah, blah. And it's just, it's one of these great moments where it shows you that, yeah, that border is really just sort of a fiction.Stephanie:Yeah. Yes, in many ways. Right. Figuratively. And also, I don't know, we seem to be in a global food economy whether we want to or not. When you look at the individual ingredients that you're using here in Borderlands, obviously there's very different things because of temperature in Mexico than you might have here in the Midwest. But is it really different from like say, Texas to Mexico in.Hank Shaw:Yes, there, there are definitely different. So the food you'll get in Nueva Leon or Coahuila or Tamaulipas, which are the three Mexican states, that border Texas is going to be different from what you would think about as Texas food. However, on the Borderlands, that. That change really is minimal. And I talk about in the book the idea of Fronteraisos, people who are neither fully Mexican nor full. They're. They're border people and they can slide between English and Spanish in mid clause. And it's really the, you know, the, the pocho or Spanglish or whatever you want to call it that you'll hear there is very different from what you'll hear from a bilingual person from, say, Mexico City, where typically those people will speak in full sentences or paragraphs in one language and then maybe switch to another language in the next sentence or paragraph.Hank Shaw:Well, on the border, it's a mishmash. So the structure, the words, the adjectives, like, it's everything. It's like no function. And so it's like. It's like this whole kind of amalgam of what's going on. And that kind of translates into the food where you've got some Texas, you know, some very Texas. Texas. Things that don't cross the border, like yellow cheese doesn't really cross the border.Stephanie:Right.Hank Shaw:The idea of, like, rotel queso. So it's. It's like Velveeta cheese melted with rotel. That's queso. That's the bad queso in North Texas. Like, you'll get that in, like, Amarillo. But the real queso is south of Interstate 10. And that is a white Mexican cheese.That it where you get, you know, roasted fire roasted green chilies folded into it and a little bit of Mexican oregano and salt and a little bit of crema to thin it out. And it's is to the rotel queso what a match is to the sun.Stephanie:Yeah.Hank Shaw:And, you know, I mean, that said, I'm not gonna poop all over the Velveeta one, because that while I don't think it tastes great, what I realized is that particular version of queso, which I personally don't like, is really heavy with cultural significance.Stephanie:Yeah.Hank Shaw:And. And so that's. There's a place for it. It's just not. That's not really as border food as you might think. That's a little bit more North Texas, and that's an example of where things don't cross. But a really great example of where things are damn near the same is Arizona and Sonora. So that there's almost no difference between Arizona Mexican food and Sonora Mexican food because they're one and the same.The burritos are pretty similar. The flour tortillas are similar. The carne asada is pretty similar. And so that. That's a case where the border's really. I mean, yes, it's a border, but I mean, it's like the. It's. There's no food border.Same thing with Southern California and Tijuana and Northern Baja. There's almost no. No functional difference between the two of them. Now, New Mexico and Chihuahua has a difference. And, like, north of Interstate 10 in Texas and the border in Texas are quite different.Stephanie:There's a recipe in here that I didn't even really know existed called Parisa.Hank Shaw:Oh, yeah.Stephanie:And, you know, you we will order steak tartare or make tartare. And I didn't realize that there was a. In many cultures, you sort of see similar foods or similar food groups, and they're just treated differently with herbs or spices. This looks delicious.Hank Shaw:It really is. It's the best way to describe it if you. If you're not familiar, because it's very. It's. It's super regional in Texas. Like, you can't even really get barista in Dallas or in. Or in El Paso. It's not a thing there.It's sort of a south central Texas thing. But the best way I can describe it is really accurately describe it. It is steak tartar meets aguachile. Because most people will say it's steak tartare meat ceviche. And yes, you absolutely can get it like that, but the. The acidity and the citrus will turn the. The raw beef gray, which I think looks gross. Yeah, I mean, it.It tastes fine, but it just kind of looks like, meh. So my recipe and what I do is I. I mix the steak tartare with the. Essentially, pico de gallo is really what it. What it's being mixed with, and a little bit of cheese, and I. I'll mix it and serve it right away so that when you eat it, the meat is still pink.Stephanie:Yeah, it looks really good. And then also in the book, so you're a hunter, obviously, we established that. But in many of these recipes, you have substitutions of different animal proteins that can be used. So whether it's elk or bison or sheep or duck, I think that's cool.Hank Shaw:Yeah, I mean, I think I. I started that process. It's done with icons. So if you look at a recipe for. Oh, there's a stew that's very popular. They're called puchero. And I'm just to that page, so I'll. So.Oh, that's a sour puerto. So always pork, but, like, no. Babies will die if you use something else from that. But that is traditionally a pork dish. Buchero is traditionally beef or venison, but really, you know, you're gonna be fine if you put damn near anything in it. It's a big, giant stew, a lot of vegetables, and it's fantastic. And to. To really make the book more versatile, because I.The two things that I always do in my books. Number one is I'm going to give you the recipe as faithfully as I can to what it actually is, wherever it's from, and then I'm going to give you all these substitutions so that if you live in, you know, Bismarck or Crookston or, you know, rural Iowa, you're going to be able to make it. And that's important to me because it's more important to me that you make some version of it than to be exactly proper and specific. I hate cookbooks where it's like, especially with cheese, where you'll see someone be like, it must be the, you know, Cowgirl Creamery point raised blue from 2012. Otherwise this recipe won't work. I'm like, come on guys, this is a stupid recipe. Like it's blue cheese. It'll be fine.Stephanie:I was surprised that you have a chimichanga in the book. Can we talk about chimichangas? Because people that grew up in the Midwest, Chichis was like the first Mexican restaurant besides El Burrito Mercado. And El Burrito Mercado was authentic and chichi's was like the Americanized what they thought Mexican food was. Which also I will say I have taste memories of chi cheese. I say this not dogging on them and they're actually coming back. And the chimichanga is something that like, if I actually go to the new restaurant, which I'm sure I will, I will order a chimichanga. It's like a taste memory for me. What is the origination of chimichanga?Hank Shaw:It's shrouded in mystery. So there's a couple different theories. And then I'll tell you what I think the general story is that a woman was making burritos in Arizona and either dropped, which I don't believe because that would create a splash that would, you know, send 350 degree oil everywhere, or placed a burrito in the deep fryer. And the, the legend, which I don't believe this is true at all, is she drops the burrito in the deep fryer and you know, says something like, you know, ah, chingo to madre or whatever, like just like swears something bad and. But then sort of does what you would do in a kind of a mom situation. And if you instead of saying the F word, you would say oh, fudge. And so she goes, oh Jimmy changa. And which is sort of vaguely reminiscent of some Mexican swear words.And so that thus the, the dish was born. But I think that's not true because there is a fantastic resource, actually. I mean, I found it in some of my older Mexican cookbooks that I own. But there's a fantastic research that the University of Texas at San Antonio of Mexican cookbooks. And some of these Mexican cookbooks are handwritten from the 1800s, and so they're all digitized and you can. You can study them. And so there's a thing in Sonora. Remember I just got done saying that, like, there's almost no difference between Sonora and Arizona.There's a thing from Sonora many, many, many, many years ago, you know, early early 1900s, for a chivy changa. C H I V I C H A N G A ch and it's the same thing. So I'm convinced that this is just a thing, because if you have a burrito and you fry things, there's zero. There's zero chance that at some point you be like, I want to. I wonder if frying the burrito will make it good? You know, like, the answer, yes, yes, all the time.Stephanie:And.Hank Shaw:And so, you know, I, like you, came into the chimichanga world just thinking with a definite eyebrow raised, like, what is this? And when it's done right, and if you see the picture in my book, it is dressed with a whole bunch of things on the outside of the burrito. So it's crema, it's a pico de gallo. It's shredded lettuce or cabbage, limes. The thing about a properly served chimichanga is that you have to eat it as a whole because the chimichanga itself is quite heavy. You know, it's a. It's a fried burrito with, like, rice and beans and meat inside it. Like, it's a gut bomb. But when you eat it with all these light things around it that are bright and fresh and acidic, it completely changes the eating experience. And I was sold.Stephanie:I can imagine. The one you have in the book looks really good. I'm going to. I keep asking about specific recipes, but there were, like, some that just jumped out at me, like, wow. Another one that jumped out at me was from that same chapter about the acorn cookies. I've always been under the impression that acorns, and maybe it's from just specific to the oaks, but that they're poisonous. I didn't think about making acorn flour.Hank Shaw:So, number one, no acorns are poisonous. Zero, period. End of story. It's a myth. You were lied to. Sorry.Stephanie:Yeah. I mean, it helps me because my dog eats them.Hank Shaw:I mean, acorns have been a source of food for human beings forever, you know, all the way. I don't know how long ago, but way more than 10,000 years. Way more. Okay, so what the myth comes from is most acorn varieties, so most especially red oaks, are full of tannins. And tannins are not poisonous. Tannins are not toxic. Tannins will make you constipated if you eat too many of them. And I suppose it would be possible to poison yourself with tannins, but I mean, good luck.Yeah, good luck eating enough of that astringent stuff to be able to get yourself poisoned. But tannins are water soluble. So for millennia, the people who eat acorns, and especially in. In northern California, where, you know, acorn. Acorns were their main starch, the idea of leaching the tannins out in a stream or wherever is as old as time. And so you make the. You make a meal. It's really a meal is probably a better way to put it.I call it flour, but there's no. There's no real gluten in it. In fact, there's no gluten in it, but there is some starch in it that will help the flour stick to itself. So that's true everywhere. In fact, it's a very good acorn year here in Minnesota this year. And I found some bur oaks in a. In a place that I'm going to go back and harvest them to make some more acorn flour this year. And I'll have to leach them here.But this is a very long walk up to this cookie recipe, because in south Arizona and in Sonora, there's an oak called an emery oak. And the emery oak is in the white oak. It's in the white oak clan. And it is sweet in the sense that you can roast those acorns and eat them. And in fact, you can get roasted acorns as a snack on some of the reservations down there or really wherever. I mean, it's a thing like it's. It. It.They could just roast it. Roast the acorns? Yeah. It's just like a chestnut. Very good. That's exactly with the. Because it's the same kind of a texture as well. And so that particular oak is unique in. In North America.The cork oak in Europe is the other one that doesn't have any tannins to it. So you can just sit there and eat them. And that's why they make flour out of them. It's an indigenous thing. You don't really see it too much among the Hispanic Sonorans. You see it a lot more with, like, Yaqui or Pima or Tono O', Odham, those indigenous groups.Stephanie:It's so Cool. I also subscribe to your substack, which I would encourage people to subscribe and. And yes to the Bone, it's called. And you just had a post about herbs and how important herbs are in your cooking and in your yard. And I know that you have kind of a small St. Paul yard because we've talked about it. What are you doing with your herbs now that we're at the end of the season? Are you. Do you have anything that's special that you do with them? Do you dry them? Do you mix them with salt?Hank Shaw:I do all of the above. I am a preservation fanatic. I could talk for hours just about various ways to preserve things for our Minnesota winners. Maybe that's another podcast for sure. But the short version is, yes, all of the things. I mostly will do things like make pesto with basil, because I love pesto. But I do dry some and there are tricks to drying herbs. The trick is low heat for a long time, so the don't use your oven and try to get them dry within 40, 48 hours, but also try to do it at less than 110 degrees, otherwise they turn brown.Stephanie:Do you use it like a dehydrator, then?Hank Shaw:Yes, I use a dehydrator. And most herbs dry really well. In fact, many herbs are better dried because it concentrates their flavor. Basil's iffy. Parsley's kind of terrible. Dried parsley's one of those ones where eat it fresh, make pesto. I suppose you could freeze it. I mostly will.I will gather big scabs of it because I grow a lot and I will freeze it. And even though it's going to suffer in the freezer, it is one of the most vital things I use for making stocks and broths with the game I bring home. So freezing, drying, you can, you know, I just mixed a whole bunch of. Of lovage with salt. So you go 50, 50 the herb and. And coarse salt, like ice cream salt almost. And then you buzz that into a food processor or a blender, and then that creates a much finer kind of almost a wet salt that is an enormous amount of flavor. And if you freeze it, it'll stay bright green the whole winter.And sometimes I like to do that, but the other times I kind of like to. To see it and progress over the. Over the months. And it's kind of a beautiful thing to see that herb salt kind of brown out and army green out as we get to like, late February, because it really is. Is sort of also indicative of how of our Harsh winters and feels a little bit more of the time and place than pulling something out of a freezer.Stephanie:Yeah. So let's talk about that because you're a single man, you are a recipe writer and developer, so you're also cooking and testing recipes. You're preserving all these things. I mean, my freezer right now is kind of a hellscape. I just closed up my summer and I came home with so much food. I have, like, canned and pickled and preserved. And I just literally feel overwhelmed by all of the food in my home right now. And I realize this is a real first world problem.So, you know, my daughter's kind of in her young 20s and sort of poor, so I've loaded her up with stuff. But do you just feel overwhelmed sometimes by all of the abundance of food?Hank Shaw:Absolutely. It's one of the things that's been really remarkable about it, about sort of single life, is how less I need to hunt or fish. So I find myself. I mean, I still. I. Because. So, side note, background backstory. I don't buy meat or fish at all.I occasionally will buy a little bit of bacon because I love bacon. And I'll occasionally buy pork fat to make sausages with game, but that's it. So if I'm eating red meat, it's going to be venison. If I'm eating white meat, it's probably going to be grouse or. Or pheasants. If I'm eating fish, I've caught it. And so that's what I find is that I eat. Hey, I don't eat that much meat anymore.Like, I eat plenty. But I mean, it's not like I. I don't gorge myself on giant steaks anymore. And it's just me. So, you know, a limit of walleyes can last me a month. And before, it was definitely not like that. And so, yes, I can feel the overwhelm. But what's, you know, I have neighbors that I give things to.I have friends that I give things to. Like, I. I had two deer tags last year, and I shot the second deer because I had a whole bunch of friends who didn't get a deer and needed medicine. So it was really cool to be able to give to. You know, I butchered it all and gave them an all vacuum seal. It was like all ready to go. And. And that was really satisfying to be able to help people like that.And then, you know, I like, you know, have a dinner party here and there.Stephanie:Yeah, I want to come to a dinner party. Not to invite myself. But please, I'll. I'll reciprocate in the. I have a cabin in the summer, so I'm sort of like between here and there. But once sets in, I really like to entertain and have people over. I find that it's a really easy way to gather new people too. Like, I like collecting people because I just think people are so amazing and I love putting like, new people at the table that people don't know yet or making those connections.I think I'm actually kind of good at it. So I can't wait to have you over this fall.Hank Shaw:Yeah, likewise. We'll. We'll do a home and home.Stephanie:Yes, I would love that very much. Your book is available, Borderlands on. I found it because obviously I. You sent me a copy. But also it's on Amazon and you self publish. So there's a lot of people that listen to this podcast that are cookbook writers themselves or people that maybe are trying to get published or find publishing. Can you speak to that a little bit and why that's been your route. You've been doing this a long time.Hank Shaw:Yeah, this is my force. Fourth self published book. And self publish is really kind of a misnomer in a way because the books that I put out are of Random House quality. Like, they're for sure. There's no way you're gonna be able to tell this book is apart from a gigantic publishing house, because what I ended up doing is creating a publishing company. So the books are published in big, big runs at Versa Press in Illinois. I'm very happy to say that these books are entirely made in America. And that's kind of important to me because most cookbooks are made in China and not a fan.So the books are printed in Illinois and they are stored and shipped at a, at a, a warehouse in Michigan. So the best ways to get the books are to either buy them from my website or buy them from Amazon. Those are probably your two best avenues for it. The thing about self publishing, if you want to do it at the level that I'm doing it, which is to say, make a book that, you know, even a snooty Random House person will be like, damn, that's a good book. You have to go big and it's not cheap. So I do, I, I don't ever do runs less than 5,000. And a typical run for me is between 10 and 15,000. And because your unit costs go way, way down.Stephanie:Right.Hank Shaw:And we can get in the weeds of it, but I have some Advantages in the sense that my sister has designed books for a living for 30 some odd years and her husband has edited books for 30 some odd years.Stephanie:Oh, so you got like family business going.Hank Shaw:Yeah, and my ex, my ex does most of the photos like this. Borderlands is the first book where the majority of the photos are mine. They're nice, but the. But even she's cheap. She photo edited this book. And so like I have people with very good skills. And so what I would say is if you have a kitchen cabinet where you have people who have those skills. And I have to kind of stress that, for example, copy editing, copy editing or proofreading or indexing a book are entirely different from copy editing or proofreading something in businessIt's just not the same skill. And I found that out. So if you have that ability to put together a dream team, then you can make a really, really beautiful book that will, that will impress people and that you will actually love. The print on demand system is still not good enough for cookbooks. It's fantastic for like a memoir or something without a lot of pictures, but it is not good for, for cookbooks still.Stephanie:All right, I'm just making notes here because people ask me questions about this all the time. All right, well, I appreciate that you've done all this work, and the book is beautiful, and I love talking to you about food. So hopefully we can call you again and just wrap it down.Hank Shaw:Yeah, let's talk about preservation.Stephanie:Yeah, I. Because I've never met anyone that only was eating what they killed.Hank Shaw:Well, you could go up north. I bet you'd find more people who do.Stephanie:But yes, yes. And I just, I find that to be fascinating and also just the idea of preserving food and how you use. Use what you preserve. So yeah, that's a great topic to get into at a later date. The book is Borderlands. I'm talking with Hank Shaw. Recipes and Stories from the Rio Grande to the Pacific. You can find it at Amazon or at his website.I always say this one wrong. Hunt, Gather. CookHank Shaw:So. So the best way to get to my website is just go to huntgathercook.com okay.Stephanie:And you have lots of recipes there too. I want people to just explore thousands. Yeah, it's incredible the mon recipes that you have there. And you know, if you think about protein as being interchangeable in a lot of these instances, it's definitely a really well done website with tons of recipes.Stephanie:Thanks for your time today, Hank. I appreciate it.Hank Shaw:Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me on.Stephanie:We'll talk soon.Hank Shaw:Bye.Stephanie:Bye. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit stephaniehansen.substack.com/subscribe

Taylor Swift mania sweeps America. There's a lot of big news happening today but Swifties have only one thing on their minds. The release of ‘The Life Of A Showgirl'! Today fans are dressing up in glittery outfits and feather boas as they pick apart all 12 new songs looking for clues. And Diddy sentencing day. Family of embattled music mogul Sean Diddy Combs head into court to find out exactly how long he'll be behind bars. At one-point Combs got emotional as a video, produced by his defense team, was played showing him as a devoted family man. Plus, chaos and confusion! When an oil refinery went up in flames in Southern California... People started running for their lives - falsely thinking it was either a terror attack or a natural disaster. Witnesses say it felt like an earthquake. And the ring is off. That's Keith Urban returning to the stage for the first time since Nicole Kidman filed for divorce. And while his ring finger was bare... He did pay tribute to his ex. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

University funding is the latest front for the political battle between Gavin Newsom and Donald Trump. Newsom threatened to cut billions in state funding from the University of Southern California this week if it complies with a Trump administration request to impose the president's political priorities on campus. For more, KCBS Radio anchor Steve Scott spoke with KCBS insider Phil Matier and former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown.

Firefighters in Southern California are cleaning up a major fire at a Chevron refinery in El Segundo. Experts at Gas Buddy say our gas could be affected. We talked to Matt McClain a petroleum analyst with Gas Buddy about when we should start filling up at the pump.

Jesus wasn’t the only one who walked on water. Remember? For a few moments, the Apostle Peter walked on water when Jesus bid him, “come to me.” But when his faith turned to fear, his feet didn’t float! Well today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie points out how we can keep our faith above water, and let fear sink to the bottom. It’s an encouraging message called “How to Live a Successful Christian Life.” Good inspiration for the times of trial and challenge we face. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Jesus wasn’t the only one who walked on water. Remember? For a few moments, the Apostle Peter walked on water when Jesus bid him, “come to me.” But when his faith turned to fear, his feet didn’t float! Well today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie points out how we can keep our faith above water, and let fear sink to the bottom. It’s an encouraging message called “How to Live a Successful Christian Life.” Good inspiration for the times of trial and challenge we face. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I am excited to share with you another set of conversations from Coffee Fest! This time form Los Angeles 2025!   We start with a discussion focusing on the growth of trining and education in coffee and baristas skills in underserved communities w/ LaNisa Williams of Barista Life LA   LaNisa has been in the coffee industry for a total of 20 yrs but the last 10 yr have been devoted to the  specialty coffee industry.  She is the owner and founder of Barista Life LA/ Hustlers Cup and Black in Brew. Barista Life LA  is a full service brand providing education, private consultations, and events in Los Angeles As a veteran at the forefront of accessible coffee education and culture I believe coffee is for all. She has embraced the passion for becoming a coffee master as a way of creating a more sustainable life for for herself and making opportunities for so many others while pursuing educational opportunities and giving back to my community as well as welcoming newcomers to the coffee industry.   Link: https://www.instagram.com/baristalifela/?hl=en Next we get to talk all about effective management and working to serve a team of people as a leader  through communication and operational excellence w/ Kat Padlan!  Kat Padlan is the Founder of KapeBayan, a coffee consultancy focused on creating equitable, human-centered café spaces, and currently serves as Operations Manager at Lucky's Coffee Roasters in Southern California. With over a decade of experience in the specialty coffee and hospitality industry, Kat is passionate about cultivating environments that uplift both guests and teams, especially within marginalized communities. From managing café operations and building educational programming to consulting for emerging coffee businesses, her work centers around accessibility, transparency, and cultural connection. Kat believes inclusivity isn't a trend, but the backbone of a thriving coffee culture and strives to make that a reality in every space she touches. Link: https://www.orderluckys.coffee/ https://kapebayan.com/ We then get to chat about working to serve wholesale clients and help ensure their success through training and focus on the right things to make the biggest difference w/ Darrell Baskin!  Darrell Baskin is the Sales Manager & Training Director, for Groundwork Coffee. He has been working in the coffee industry for 14 years. He has held many roles over time including barista, manager, trainer, director, competition judge and most recently sales manager. Darrell is passionate about the sharing of knowledge and support that helps to build a stronger, more inclusive coffee industry for all.  Link: https://www.groundworkcoffee.com/ Finally we are talking all about taking the journey of learning through competition and business and how to use that experience to deliver real value for your coffee shop customer w/ Seidy Selivanow! Seidy Selivanow is the co-founder of Kafiex Roasters in Vancouver, Washington, where she combines her passion for coffee, community, and education. A nationally recognized competitor, she placed 7th in the 2025 U.S. Barista Championship and 8th in 2024, bringing creativity and storytelling to the stage through her signature drinks and presentations celebrating her Mexican heritage. Beyond competition, Seidy is deeply committed to mentorship and education. She has taught classes at Coffee Fest in both English and Spanish, presented in Mexico City at Exploradores de Café, and spoken two years in a row at the Women-Powered Coffee Summit. She also volunteers regularly with Cup of Excellence Mexico and serves on the Raise the Bar Committee, supporting scholarships for the underrepresented people in coffee. Link:  https://www.kafiex.com/   Related Episodes:       CHECK OUT FUTURE COFFEE FEST SHOWS! WWW.COFFEEFEST.COM      

During the last federal government shutdown in late 2018 and early 2019, national parks here in California were greatly impacted. Some shut down completely, meaning a significant loss in potential revenue. Others remained open, but were not fully staffed. That includes Joshua Tree National Park in Southern California. Vehicles drove off-road, causing major damage to sensitive areas, and trash piled up, scattered around the park. The hope is things will be different this time around. Guest: Kenji Haroutunian, Executive Director, friends of Joshua Tree Santa Clara County prosecutors have secured a grand jury indictment against 11 pro-Palestinian Stanford University protestors who barricaded themselves in the campus president's office in 2024. Reporter: Joseph Geha, KQED Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode, I sit down with Reed Davis, founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® (FDN), to explore how we can stop chasing symptoms and instead focus on the root causes of chronic health issues. Reed shares his journey from working in a wellness clinic to creating FDN, a pioneering system that combines functional lab testing with lifestyle protocols to help practitioners and clients uncover hidden stressors, heal dysfunctions, and restore vitality. We dive into: The difference between conventional medicine and functional diagnostics Why lab testing is essential for uncovering hidden stressors The H.I.D.D.E.N. stressors model (hormones, immunity, digestion, detoxification, energy, nervous system) How FDN practitioners approach complex health challenges Reed's advice for anyone struggling with fatigue, gut issues, hormone imbalances, or unexplained symptoms The future of health coaching, lab testing, and functional medicine Whether you're a health professional looking to expand your toolkit or someone who wants to take charge of your own healing, this conversation will give you a roadmap to better health.  Learn more about Functional Diagnostic Nutrition: https://www.functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com/ Reed Davis Bio: Reed Davis, Double-Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner (HHP) and Doctor of Nutritional Therapy (DNT),  is a globally recognized expert in functional lab testing and holistic lifestyle medicine. As the visionary founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® (FDN), Reed has pioneered the FDN Certification Course, which has empowered over 5,000 practitioners across 50 countries to take charge of their clients' health. With more than a decade of experience as Health Director at a Southern California wellness center, Reed personally guided over 10,000 clients to optimal wellness, giving him the experience and foundational knowledge needed to teach others to build their own health careers.

A ship’s captain approaching a foggy seaport will navigate based on the light from the lighthouse, not from the light of other boats. Boats drift, lighthouses stand secure. Do we navigate the life of faith based on the conduct of other believers, or based on the One we believe in? What’s the hymn say, “On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.” Today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie help us put that objective into practice. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

A ship’s captain approaching a foggy seaport will navigate based on the light from the lighthouse, not from the light of other boats. Boats drift, lighthouses stand secure. Do we navigate the life of faith based on the conduct of other believers, or based on the One we believe in? What’s the hymn say, “On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand.” Today on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg Laurie help us put that objective into practice. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

How do you pass along the cold, hard truth and a warm and loving way? Is it in the words we choose . . . the body language we present . . . the context in which it’s expressed? Yes, yes and yes. But more than that, today Pastor Greg Laurie points out that it comes from a heart of genuine compassion and concern, energized by God’s love. Today here on A NEW BEGINNING, Pastor Greg begins the final message in his series in First, Second and Third John. Listen on harvest.org --- Learn more and subscribe to Harvest updates at harvest.org A New Beginning is the daily half-hour program hosted by Greg Laurie, pastor of Harvest Christian Fellowship in Southern California. For over 30 years, Pastor Greg and Harvest Ministries have endeavored to know God and make Him known through media and large-scale evangelism. This podcast is supported by the generosity of our Harvest Partners.Support the show: https://harvest.org/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.