A HOP Podcast (With No Name)

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A lighthearted podcast about the practical use of HOP concepts in our personal and work worlds.

Andrea Baker & Matt Florio


    • May 21, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • every other week NEW EPISODES
    • 26m AVG DURATION
    • 58 EPISODES


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    Episode 57 - Andy goes back to (imaginary) work

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2025 32:44


    We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive.

    Episode 56 - Something Very Obvious (HOP used in conversation)

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2025 30:22


    We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP".

    Episode 55 - What it could look like 5-10 years after implementation

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 23, 2025 23:33


    Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP.

    Episode 54 - You've decided to "do HOP" - The "site pilot" example

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 9, 2025 26:31


    We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites depending on company size) can try HOP before the organization makes a large shift.

    Episode 53 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what? (part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 26, 2025 28:20


    The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization. Link for paper reference: http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf

    Episode 52 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 12, 2025 31:58


    What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action.

    Episode 51 - The tough question before you start HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 26, 2025 27:48


    Andy and Matt discuss "step 0" or what you need to ask yourself before you try to bring HOP into an organization.

    Episode 50 - A Peak Behind The Podcast

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 12, 2025 28:55


    We celebrate 50 episodes of A HOP Podcast (with no name) and share what it's been like from our perspective.

    Episode 49 - A HOP Transformation: Andy and Matt's recap

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 29, 2025 23:39


    Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron.

    Episode 48 - - A HOP Transformation: The Wrap-up

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 15, 2025 43:01


    The thrilling conclusion to our time with Erik and Ron discussing their individual and business HOP development.

    Episode 47 - - A HOP Transformation: The Nitty Gritty Details of Change (Part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 1, 2025 38:53


    We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron and learn more details of what it was like to navigate the HOP related changes together.

    Episode 46 - A HOP Transformation: The Nitty Gritty Details of Change

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 18, 2024 49:48


    We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron. This time we focus on the details of what had to change both personally and as a business for the HOP Transformation to progress.

    Episode 45 - A HOP Transformation: The Shift In Thought

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 4, 2024 38:16


    We continue our story with Erik and Ron - moving onto what it was like to shift focus from safety metrics (like TRIR) to prioritizing real human safety outcomes.

    Episode 44 - A HOP Transformation: The Wake-up Call

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 20, 2024 29:24


    We welcome. guests Erik (former CEO at Aera Energy) and Ron (Former HSE Manager at Aera Energy) for a mini-series on what it was like to go through a HOP transformation both personally and as a business.

    Episode 43 - Shifting Blame (part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 6, 2024 22:22


    We finish the story of how Andy navigates her own frustration and blame when working with some leaders.

    Episode 42 - Shifting Blame

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2024 19:48


    We take a listeners question on how to help people who have started practicing HOP but are struggling with blame shifting from those doing the work to supervisors/investigators. This quickly becomes Matt's favorite episode as we have a conversation with Andy while she is struggling with actively blaming a group of people.

    Episode 41 - What to do between operational learning and implementing your "big" solution

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 9, 2024 22:27


    We wrap up the story from episode 40 and discuss how you can bridge the gap from completing operational learning to implementing a solution that may take months to years.

    Episode 40 - An approach comparison

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 25, 2024 23:05


    We discuss different ways you can approach seeing someone break a rule and why going in the HOP direction can increase accountability.

    Episode 39 - Do we feel the extra effort is worth it?

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 11, 2024 20:00


    Andy and Matt discuss what HOP means to them inside and outside of work. Also, do we feel it is really worth all the extra effort and energy? (spoiler alert - yes)

    Episode 38 - How HOP can be described and applied outside of work

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 28, 2024 23:06


    We use two (hopefully helpful) analogies to describe what we mean when we say "HOP is not a program". Andrea shares a personal story with her daughter about how she applies this change in thought process to resolving conflict.

    Episode 37 - Resilient Design (part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 14, 2024 23:30


    Andy finishes her "glove story" and shares how came to understand what "capacity to fail safely" meant.

    Episode 36 - Resilient design in action

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 31, 2024 27:10


    Andy shares her personal story of understanding what it means to "design differently" in HOP and how we can build more resilient systems.

    Episode 35 - Thinking, Learning, and Designing Differently

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 17, 2024 24:34


    We break down how we explain what HOP is and what happens if we change the way we think.

    Episode 34 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 4)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 3, 2024 25:47


    The (thrilling) conclusion to Andy's list of behaviors she changed while working at a large organization after learning about HOP.

    Episode 33 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 3)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 19, 2024 23:58


    Andrea continues sharing her personal examples of when she individually "did HOP" while at a large organization.

    Episode 32 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP" (part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 5, 2024 27:45


    We continue with Andrea's examples of behaviors she changed while working at a large organizations in a safety role.

    Episode 31 - Something you can try tomorrow to "do HOP"

    Play Episode Listen Later May 22, 2024 25:41


    Andrea shares how she started putting HOP intro action while in an individual contributor role.

    Episode 30 - What to do with the "inexperienced workforce"

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2024 28:24


    The new generations of workers is not going anywhere, so we revisit the topic of episode 23 (based on listener questions) and add more to the discussion.

    Episode 29 - What to do when your big ticket solution from Operational Learning gets shot down

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 24, 2024 23:21


    We discuss a recent question we were asked around how to move forward after the biggest (and likely most expensive) solution from your operational learning session is axed by Leadership.

    Episode 28 - HOP outside of work

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 10, 2024 25:02


    Andrea shares a difficult situation she is navigating and how what she has learned from HOP influences her life outside of work.

    Episode 27 - "HOP is adding too much extra work" / A case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 27, 2024 26:13


    We discuss the common push back that the internal requirements following any Operational Learning can feel like a burden, but there are ways we can push on those constraints. Also - Matt was able to use a very confusing (but maybe helpful) puppy analogy.

    Episode 26 - "I like HOP, but our recent incident was too severe and we need to return to basics" / A case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 13, 2024 26:55


    We start with a story around a rule of unknown origins. From there, we explore why after major incidents even "HOP" leaders want to go back to their prior ways.

    Episode 25 - "We pay people to follow the rules" / A case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 28, 2024 25:00


    We discuss the common objection around "rules" and the role they play in keeping people safe. As you might expect, it leads us back to the conversation around people problems vs. system problems.

    Episode 24 - "But I fundamentally believe all accidents are preventable" / A case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 14, 2024 16:26


    Andy and (a sick) Matt discuss one of the most common places of tension when someone talks about HOP. What does it mean when we say "no all accidents are preventable"?

    Episode 23 - "Our workforce is too inexperienced and they keep making mistakes" / A case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 31, 2024 20:21


    The workforce is getting younger and coming in with less experience. We discuss why it is so crucial to learn from the new workforce about their reality.

    Episode 22 - " But at the end of the day I still have to answer to regulators and our legal team" / A case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 17, 2024 24:22


    We tackle the next audience question centered around how HOP may run into conflict with both regulating bodies and internal legal teams.

    Episode 21 - "If my injury rate won't improve then why should I bother?" / A case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 3, 2024 19:17


    We answer a listener's question around injury rates and the adoption of HOP.

    Episode 20 - "We don't have the time to make this change" / A business case for HOP

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 20, 2023 22:14


    We tackle a listen asked question on how to handle the pushback from leadership that the organization does not have "the time or the resources to make this change" by making a business case for HOP.

    Episode 19 - How can an organization adopt HOP?

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 6, 2023 25:02


    After wrapping up homework with our invented mitigation defense, we move on to share how we see HOP adopted by organizations. We'll spend time on what's worked well for some places and what challenges we hear most often.

    Episode 18 - Performance Modes and Mitigation Defenses

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 22, 2023 27:50


    Andy starts with a story around how we respond to an incident without considering what performance mode(s) the people executing the task are in. From there, we discuss why we should shift our energy and resources into adding mitigation defenses rather than something like "retraining" post-incident.

    Episode 17 - Performance Modes

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 8, 2023 23:02


    Let's talk about Performance Modes. What are they and how do they fit into our view of work?

    Episode 16 - Operational Learning (part 6)

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 25, 2023 26:50


    We wrap up the operational learning mini-series by going over what happens after you define the problem statements.

    Episode 15 - Operational Learning (part 5)

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 11, 2023 23:30


    We define the problems from episode 14's operational learning session and discuss what goes into properly crafting problem statements.

    Episode 14 - Operational Learning (part 4)

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 27, 2023 25:38


    We talk through how we create the conditions for candor while we're working with different organizations. From there, Andy practices some operational learning on what it's like for Matt to book their travel.

    Episode 13 - Operational Learning (part 3)

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 13, 2023 22:53


    We cover how the homework from last episode (being teachable) works with a 3.5 year old. Then it's all about creating the conditions for candor and psych safety.

    Episode 12 - Operational Learning (part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 30, 2023 31:24


    We start by discussing the complexity of... you guessed it - baseball. From there, we start breaking down operational learning through the idea of "being teachable".

    Episode 11 - Operational Learning (part 1)

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 16, 2023 28:08


    It's time for another mini-series, and this time we're looking at all things operational learning. We start the series by discussing one area that makes operational learning so crucial - complexity science.

    Episode 10 - Agency and Empowerment

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 2, 2023 29:25


    Story Time! Andrea shares a story about giving agency to a group of workers and the changes that followed.

    Episode 9 - Accountability (part 3)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 19, 2023 24:31


    We wrap up the 3 part Accountability series by covering counterfactuals and how they impact our view of people or system problems, the role of a culpability matrix, and how to create a high accountability environment.

    Episode 8 - Accountability (part 2)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 5, 2023 25:44


    We answer the question "when should we use HR disciplinary action/punishment?" with some stories and examples. From there, we look at how counterfactuals impact our post-event learning.

    Episode 7 - Accountability (part 1)

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 21, 2023 25:29


    So it begins! Part 1 of the multi-part Accountability discussion. We dive into Accountability and what it means to "hold someone accountable".

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