Podcasts about Implementation

You've got a strong teacher, strong strategies—and still, the innovation stalls. What gives? In this episode, we tackle what's really behind resistance in math PD and why most implementation efforts collapse long before proficiency is even possible.Building on our last episode, we unpack how a school we support used the five implementation stages—Non-Use, Awareness, Mechanical, Routine, and Proficient—to move real teacher practice forward in mathematics. You'll hear how assumptions like “math teachers just need to buy in” or “they're too comfortable” miss the point—and how shifting the conversation back to student outcomes changed everything.Listen in to learn:What each of the five stages of implementation looks like in real math classroomsWhy most resistance towards math PD is rooted in fear, fatigue, or flawed systems—not mindsetHow to use department meetings and peer examples to build momentum in mathematicsWhy focusing on student growth—not compliance—creates authentic engagement in math classWhat math leaders can do to provide the right support at the right stageHit play to explore how real school teams are flipping the script on math improvement implementation—and how you can do the same by putting students, not strategies, at the center of your plan.Not sure what matters most when designing math improvement plans? Take this assessment and get a free customized report: https://makemathmoments.com/grow/ Math coordinators and leaders – Ready to design your math improvement plan with guidance, support and using structure? Learn how to follow our 4 stage process. https://growyourmathprogram.com Looking to supplement your curriculum with problem based lessons and units? Make Math Moments Problem Based Lessons & Units Show Notes PageLove the show? Text us your big takeaway!Are you wondering how to create K-12 math lesson plans that leave students so engaged they don't want to stop exploring your math curriculum when the bell rings? In their podcast, Kyle Pearce and Jon Orr—founders of MakeMathMoments.com—share over 19 years of experience inspiring K-12 math students, teachers, and district leaders with effective math activities, engaging resources, and innovative math leadership strategies. Through a 6-step framework, they guide K-12 classroom teachers and district math coordinators on building a strong, balanced math program that grows student and teacher impact. Each week, gain fresh ideas, feedback, and practical strategies to feel more confident and motivate students to see the beauty in math. Start making math moments today by listening to Episode #139: "Making Math Moments From Day 1 to 180.

All links and images can be found on CISO Series. Check out this post by Kevin Paige, CISO at ConductorOne, for the discussion that is the basis of our conversation on this week's episode co-hosted by David Spark, the producer of CISO Series, and Edward Contreras, senior evp and CISO, Frost Bank. Joining them is Julie Tsai, CISO-in-Residence, Ballistic Ventures. In this episode: Is least privilege dead? Modern tactics, timeless principle Implementation over ideology Pragmatism over purity Huge thanks to our sponsor, Cyera AI is moving fast - can your security keep up? Join the leaders shaping the future of data and AI security at DataSecAI Conference 2025, hosted by Cyera, Nov 12–13 in Dallas. Register now at https://datasecai2025.com/did.

What if the reason your career hasn't popped off yet isn't your content, your talent, or your mindset—but your discipline? In this week's episode, I'm joined by Alex Stewart, my team's Director of Implementation and the brain behind our viral 21-Day Brainwashing Challenge. Together, we break down why creatives resist structure, how discipline actually fuels freedom, and what it takes to turn your big ideas into sustainable momentum. We talk about: The two types of creatives—and which one you are Why “discipline” isn't the enemy of creativity (it's the amplifier) How to build consistency without killing your flow Why talent without a plan leads to burnout The mindset shift that separates the self-sabotaging artist from the self-made celebrity ✨ If you've ever said “I know what I should be doing, I just can't get myself to do it,” this conversation will rewire how you think about action, success, and follow-through.

CMS plans to simplify prior authorization for Medicare beneficiaries beginning in 2026. Listen to learn more about changes coming to Medicare Advantage and Original Medicare!   Read the text version  

From lab to clinic, how do diagnostic breakthroughs make a real-world impact? Ghatak and Olivo explore bridging the gap between development and implementation, managing risk, and balancing innovation with ethics in patient care. Timestamps: 00:00 – Introduction 00:43 – Implementation challenges 02:40 – Strategic risk 03:46 – Trial and error 06:21 – Ethical dilemmas 09:46 – Lessons learned 11:00 – Successful innovation 13:12 – 'Good' diagnostics

The Transformation Ground Control podcast covers a number of topics important to digital and business transformation. This episode covers the following topics and interviews:   OpenAI's Atlas Browser, Q&A (Darian Chwialkowski, Third Stage Consulting) What's New in the World of Infor CloudSuite? (Soma Somasundaram, CTO, & Kevin Samuelson, CEO from Infor) Long Live ECC   We also cover a number of other relevant topics related to digital and business transformation throughout the show.   During Velocity Day Orlando, Kevin, Soma, and the Infor team shared more details on Infor Industry AI Agents and introduced Infor Leap, a new program that helps customers move to the cloud and land with confidence. Hear all the great insights firsthand, including the perspective of Infor customer, CIO of Victaulic Mario D'Ambrosio, by visiting the Infor Product Digital Event 2025. https://www.infor.com/events/infor-product-digital-event-2025?utm_campaign=27834-026-027&utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=organic-social&utm_content=thirdstageconsu&utm_type=webinar  

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the essentials of excellent account management and how AI changes the game. You will discover how to transition from simply helping clients to proactively taking tasks off their to-do list. You will learn the exact communication strategies necessary to manage expectations and ensure timely responses that build client trust. You will understand the four essential executive functions you must retain to prevent artificial intelligence from replacing your critical role. You will grasp how to perform essential quality checks on deliverables even without possessing deep technical expertise in the subject matter. Watch now to elevate your account management skills and secure your position in the future of consulting! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-account-management-in-age-of-ai.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. **Christopher S. Penn – 00:00** In this week’s In Ear Insights, Trust Insights is a consulting firm. We obviously do consulting. We have clients, we have accounts, and therefore account management. Katie, you and I worked for a few years together at a PR firm before we started Trust Insights and managed a team of folks. I should clarify with an asterisk: you managed a team of people then to keep those accounts running, keep customers and clients happy, and try to keep team members happy. Let’s talk about what are the basics of good account management—not just for keeping clients happy, but also keeping your team happy as well, to the extent that you can, but keeping stuff on the rails. **Katie Robbert – 00:51** The biggest thing from my experience, because I’ve been on both sides of it—well, I should say there are three sides of it. There’s the account manager, there’s the person who manages the account manager, and then there’s the account itself, the client. I’ve been on all three sides of it, and I currently sit on the side of managing the account manager who manages the accounts. If we talk about the account manager, that person is trying to keep things on the rails. They’re trying to keep things moving forward. Typically they are the ones who, if they choose, they can have the most power, or if they don’t, they have the least power. **Katie Robbert – 01:38** By that I mean, a good account manager has their hands in everything, is listening to every conversation between the stakeholders or the principals and the client, is really ingesting the information and understanding, “Okay, this is what was asked for. This is what we’re working on. This is discussed.” Whatever it is they don’t understand, they take the initiative to find out what it means. If you’re working on a more technical client and you’re talking about GDELT and code bases and databases and whatever, and you’re like, “I’m just here to set up meetings,” then you’re not doing yourself any sort of favors. **Katie Robbert – 02:21** The expectation of the account manager is that they would say, “All right, I don’t understand everything that was discussed, but let me take the notes, do a little research, and at least get the basics of what’s happening so that I, as the person acting on behalf of the consulting agency, can then have conversations without having to loop in the principal every single time, and the principal can focus on doing the work.” The biggest success metric that I look for in an account manager is their ability to be proactive. One of the things that, as someone who manages and has managed larger teams, is someone just waiting around to be told what to do. That puts the burden back on the manager to constantly be giving you a to-do list. **Katie Robbert – 03:13** At the level of a manager, an account manager, you should be able to proactively come up with your own list. Those are just some of the things off the top of my mind, off the top of my head, Chris. But you also have to be fair. You managed the team at the agency alongside with me, but you were also part of the team that was executing the work. And you rely heavily on account managers to tell you what the heck is happening. So what do you look for in account manager skills? **Christopher S. Penn – 03:49** It goes back to something that our friend Mitch Joel often says, which is, “Don’t be another thing on the client’s to-do list,” because nobody wants that. Nobody wants more on their to-do list. Ideally, a good account manager is constantly fishing with the client to say, “What else can we take off your to-do list?” **Katie Robbert – 04:09** Right. **Christopher S. Penn – 04:09** How can we make your list shorter rather than longer? That determines—no, there’s that and one other thing, but that’s one of the key things that determines client success—is to say, “Look, here’s what we got done.” Because the more you go fishing and the more stuff that you take away from the client, the happier they are. But also, when it comes time for renewal, the more you can trot out the list and look at all the things we’re doing, look at all the things that we did—maybe that were just slightly out of scope, but within our capabilities—that we improved your life, we improved things, we got done everything we said we were going to get done. **Christopher S. Penn – 04:47** And maybe we demonstrated capabilities so that when renewal time comes, you can say, “Hey, maybe we should increase the retainer because we demonstrated some proof of concept success in these other areas that we also know are really challenging.” Management consultant David Meister talks about this a lot in terms of growing retainers. He says, “I will show up at my own expense to your annual planning meeting. I will sit in the back and I will not speak until spoken to, but I am there as a resource for you to ask me questions as an expert.” And he said 10 times out of 10, he walked away with a bigger retainer just by sitting, listening to your point, knowing what’s going on with the client, and also going fishing. **Christopher S. Penn – 05:33** The other thing—and this is both an account management thing and a sales thing—is, and this is something that I suck at, which is why I don’t work in account management, is very timely responses. Somebody—the client—lobs a tennis ball over the net and you immediately return. Even if you have nothing to say, you can just say, “Hey, got it. We’re here. We’re paying attention to your needs. We are responsive.” And those two things, being able to go fishing and being highly responsive, to me, are success indicators for a good account manager. **Katie Robbert – 06:12** I definitely agree with the highly responsive. One of my expectations for any of the teams, whether it’s now or at the agency, was if a client sends an email, just acknowledge it. Because there is nothing worse than the anxiety of, “Do I follow up? Do I set?” We deal with that sort of on the sales side—people will ghost us all the time. That’s just part of sales. And it’s a fine line of follow-up versus stalking. We want to be proactively following up, but we also don’t want to be harassing and stalking people because that then, to your first point, goes to you being one more thing on their list to follow up with. **Katie Robbert – 06:57** Let’s say a client sends over a list of questions and we don’t have time to get to it. One of the things that we used to do with the agency was, “Okay, let’s acknowledge it and then give a time frame.” We saw your email. We’ll get back to you within the next three business days just to set some kind of an expectation. Then, obviously, we would have a conversation with whoever’s responsible for doing the work first: “Is that a reasonable timeline?” But all of that was done by the account manager. All of that was coordinated by them. And that’s such an important role. One of the things that people get wrong about a role like an account manager or a project manager is that they’re just admins, and they’re really not. **Katie Robbert – 07:41** They’re really the person who keeps it all together. To keep going with that example, so the client says, “I have a bunch of things.” The account manager should be the first person to see that and acknowledge it. “We got it, we will respond to you.” And then whoever is on our side responsible for answering: “Okay, Chris, we have this list of questions. You said it could be done within 3 days. Let me go ahead and proactively block time for you and make sure that you can get that done so that I can then take that information and get back to the client, hopefully before the timeline is up, so that it’s—keep them really happy.” What is it? Under promise, over deliver? **Katie Robbert – 08:27** I was about to say the reverse, and that would have been terrible. It’s really, from my perspective, just always staying on top of things. I have a question because this is something I feel, especially in a smaller company, we struggle with in terms of role expectations. Do you expect an account manager to know as much about what’s happening as you, the expert and individual contributor, do? **Christopher S. Penn – 09:00** Here’s how I would frame that. We’ll use blenders. **Katie Robbert – 09:05** Sure. We love blenders. **Christopher S. Penn – 09:07** We love blenders. I would not expect in a kitchen, a sous chef to understand how electromagnets work and microcards and circuits that make the blender operate. I don’t expect them to know the internals of a blender. I do expect to know what goes in a blender, what should not go in a blender, and what it should look like when it comes out. So if you said, “I want a margarita,” and you get a cup full of barely crushed ice, you’re like, “That’s not a frozen margarita. That came out of the blender wrong.” So even if they don’t understand the operation, the blender is just a black box. They know ice cubes and lime juice and stuff go in and a smooth, slushy comes out. They should be able to look at that slush when it comes out and go, “No, try again.” **Christopher S. Penn – 09:52** No, try again. So they should be able to say to the subject matter expert, “That’s not what the client asked for.” It requires some level of technical knowledge, but more than anything, it requires an understanding of what the deliverables are and whether those deliverables match the client expectations. Because if the client says, “I want a margarita,” and you give them tomato soup—yes, technically it is the same consistency—but it’s the wrong output. **Katie Robbert – 10:20** I don’t see how you got to the technically part, but. That’s my own. **Christopher S. Penn – 10:26** Yeah. You get the idea, though. So, does the account manager need to know the inner workings of, say, Claude coding sub agents? Absolutely not. Does the account manager need to know, “Hey, the client asked for this analysis and we gave them this one instead. And they’re not the same thing.” Send it back to the kitchen. This can’t go to—it’s just a restaurant. When it comes up to the line, the server looks at the dish, goes, “The client asked for medium rare. This is well done. I can’t bring this out.” **Katie Robbert – 10:59** Right. I agree with that. We should be able to look to the account manager to gut check things. If we are delivering a monthly report or whatever, the account manager should be able to look at it and say, “Yes. Logically this makes sense based on what the client asked for. This answers their questions.” And quite honestly, if the contract was written in such a way that the account manager isn’t sure what’s happening, that’s also perhaps the responsibility of the account manager to clarify both with the principals and the client. Let’s be really specific about what questions we’re answering so that we can answer them. **Christopher S. Penn – 11:51** The server and the kitchen really is the perfect analogy. If you sit down and the diner comes in and you say, “What do you want?” and they say, “I want a steak,” and you just go to the kitchen, say, “Hey, table three wants a steak,” you didn’t do your job about getting requirements: How do you want it done, what sides you want with it, et cetera. And then when it comes up to the line and you say, “Client said really rare. This is well done. I can’t bring this out.” If the server just brings it out as is, then the client’s unhappy, the server’s unhappy because they aren’t getting a tip, and everybody’s unhappy. **Christopher S. Penn – 12:25** In addition to your point earlier, the server has responsibility to say, “Yeah, hey, the kitchen said it’s going to be another 10 minutes. Sorry, here’s an appetizer or whatever.” They have that customer relationship management piece. **Katie Robbert – 12:42** That touches upon something that’s really critical as well, is the communication. If we continue with this analogy, let’s say the account manager is the server and the client, the customer, hasn’t ordered yet. If I have a server coming by my table saying, “Just checking in,” and then walking away, and then saying, “Just checking in,” and then walking away, I’m going to get really annoyed. But if they come by and say, “Hey, I just wanted to check in to see if you guys were ready to place your order. Here’s what we have on special today. I know that you’ve been with us before. Here’s what you ordered last time.” To give more context than just the quick— **Katie Robbert – 13:28** “Just checking in”—gives the client, back to where you’re saying what Mitch Joel says: “Don’t be one more thing on their to-do list.” Let them know why you’re checking in. Give them more context, make the answer easy for them. “Oh, last time we talked, these were the things we talked about. When I’m checking in, this is exactly what I’m checking in on. And here’s all the information I have. Is this the answer that you’re likely to give us if you respond to this email within a few minutes?” Again, it goes back to that proactive piece. **Katie Robbert – 14:06** One of the things that occurs to me, and it’s almost silly that we have to talk about it in this context, but account management in the age of AI—the expectations of clients when AI is involved are completely different. Regardless of the fact that it’s still likely humans who are interacting with you and doing client services, it’s likely a team of humans with some automations doing the work. What kind of expectations do you think clients have now that AI is involved? **Christopher S. Penn – 14:44** The clients expect everything instantly and 80% cheaper. **Katie Robbert – 14:49** That’s a tough expectation to live up to, but it goes back to if you have someone on your team who is proactively advocating for what’s going on, that expectation of immediacy, “Okay, that’s met.” In terms of the cheaper, I don’t think the account manager really has control over that, but they can be listening for, “You said that you want to disrupt everything with AI, but you also said that your team is struggling to adopt everything. So let me go ahead and bring that back to the team and see what that actually means,” because I heard you say those two specific things. **Christopher S. Penn – 15:31** You are correct in that the account manager does not directly have control over the contract terms and things. However, just like a good server at a restaurant: A. A good server upsells (“Hey, you want some dessert?”). B. A good server communicates the value of the work being done, regardless of whether it’s the Instacook 5000 in the kitchen or whether it’s a human chef. To them, you’ll say, “This is exactly what you ordered. This is the medium rare with the onions on top and the garlic on the side and whatever.” In the age of AI, the account manager has to be more dialed in than ever to be able to say, “Yes, this is what the machines are doing,” but you also have to communicate the value of— **Christopher S. Penn – 16:19** Here’s who is orchestrating the machines to make sure that you get what you ordered. If you go to a restaurant and the food is instant and it’s high quality and stuff, but it contains every allergen that you said not to include, you’re still going to have a bad time because the person running the Instacook 5000 in the back didn’t listen. **Katie Robbert – 16:40** Right. **Christopher S. Penn – 16:40** And didn’t communicate. To your point earlier, did not communicate the expectations: “Yeah, I asked for no sucralose in this pie and it is made entirely of sucralose.” Yes, it’s instant, yes, it’s low cost, but I can’t eat it. And in the context of account management, it’s the exact same thing. One of the biggest dangers to account managers is cognitive offloading. This is where you basically hand executive function to AI. Executive function is four things: planning, organization, decision making, and problem solving, or solving, called PODS for short. A human generally should be doing a better job for a specific account than AI because humans can keep more context in memory than a machine can. **Christopher S. Penn – 17:31** But if you just say, “Okay, I’m just gonna load all the call transcripts and all the emails into Geneva, I’m just gonna have it do all the planning, I’ll have it do all the decision making, I’ll do all the problem solving.” Why do you need an account manager then? If the machine can do it, you don’t need an account manager anymore. So for people who are account managers, it’s incumbent upon them to retain those existing executive functions because: A) you can offer more value, but B) you can prevent yourself from being replaced. **Katie Robbert – 17:59** So go through those again. It was PODS: Planning, Organization, Decision, and Solving. **Christopher S. Penn – 18:05** Got problems? **Katie Robbert – 18:06** Yeah, I could see where offloading the planning to AI is not a bad thing. So, for example, I can see a scenario where you hand over the onboarding of a new client to an automation. It could be triggered by a new statement of work getting put into the client folder, and then the automation kicks in and sets up your Asana, and it sets up your Slack channels, and it drafts—it sends you a draft of the onboarding email based on the prerequisite, whatever. The thing is, I can see where it would do all of that stuff. **Katie Robbert – 18:49** But to your point about the organization and decisions and solving, yes, you can hand that off to AI, but you’re going to lose a lot of that personal touch and a lot of that client satisfaction because it will feel like everything else. It will feel very generic. Why am I engaged with this particular consultant or this particular agency if I’m just getting the generic emails back and forth? Where is that personal touch? Where is that taking the time to remember that I’m situated in upstate New York and the last time we talked, we were in the middle of a snowstorm and I was worried about losing power? **Katie Robbert – 19:37** So, the next time you get on a call, just, “Hey, just wanted to make sure that everything is okay with that snowstorm. Did you end up losing power? How did it go?” It’s a small thing, but it’s a human thing, and it signals, “I was listening. And I care enough about you as a human, and I want to make sure that you’re happy, you’re satisfied.” No, I can’t control the weather or the electricity, but I’m aware that those were things that were pain points for you. **Christopher S. Penn – 20:08** I agree with that. The other thing I would add to that is something that Ethan Mollick says a lot, and I agree with: As machines get smarter, they make smarter mistakes. They make mistakes that are harder and harder to detect. A really good account manager—if you offload planning, organization, decision making, and solving to a machine and it’s coming back with increasingly sophisticated answers—you have to keep up and be able to say, “Is this actually correct? Will this solve the client’s actual problem?” Because machines can create very convincing solution-shaped answers that are not actually solutions or are just slightly wrong. You see this with coding tools especially. It will come and say, “This is the answer.” And you’re like, “That’s close, but you’re not right. And if I implement that change, it will have catastrophic effects.” **Christopher S. Penn – 21:07** Somebody has to be able to say, “This is a problem. This is not right.” What I always tell people when they ask about cognitive offloading is to say, at the very least, have the machine make you make decisions to say, “Okay, we need to organize a strategic plan for this client for this coming quarter.” Instead of saying, “Write the plan,” say, “Give me three options and present the pros and cons of each.” And let’s think through what your three scenarios are. It’s the same thing you and I do when we’re doing planning and we’re doing strategies. We talked about this in past episodes of the show in the live stream: come up with scenarios. Machines are great at coming up with scenarios. **Christopher S. Penn – 21:44** Yeah, but that critical thinking skill of which of these scenarios is actually most likely or what haven’t we considered? That’s where machines can play a really good role. **Katie Robbert – 21:55** I agree with that. Because today, when you’re managing a team, especially a larger team, you tend to have people who default back to, “Well, I’ll just ask my manager for the answer. I’m not going to bother with trying to seek out.” I’ve definitely told the story before where I used to have a manager who had a big sign pasted above her desk which said, “Solutions Only.” Which really meant it’s not that you couldn’t bring her a question or a problem, but she wanted you to do the work, to at least try and solve the problem yourself. Even if you couldn’t come up with the right answer, her first question would be, “What have you tried? What have you found?” I have the same expectation. **Katie Robbert – 22:41** I have the same expectation of you, Chris. You’re not an account manager, but in terms of someone that I work with, if you bring me a question, I may very well say, “Well, what have you tried so far? What have you tried, and it hasn’t worked? What solutions do you think exist for this thing?” When it comes to account management, the person, whoever that person is in that role, has a lot of responsibility. Even if people don’t—people look at an account manager or project manager as an admin, but that’s really not true. They really hold a lot of responsibility. **Katie Robbert – 23:19** And one of the measures of success, especially with AI right now, getting smarter and better and threatening to replace roles like these, is if you want to be better than the AI, to your point, Chris, get ahead of it. I always say to you, and I always say to the team, “If I’m asking for updates and I’m asking questions, you’re already behind.” So assume that I’m the AI that you have to get ahead of. Don’t give me the opportunity to ask questions about where things stand. Don’t give the client the opportunity to wonder what’s the update on this? Get ahead of it. Over communicate. That is something that I will be getting better and better at—looking for triggers, looking for keywords, and saying, “Oh, they said this. Let me go ahead and spin out an update.” **Katie Robbert – 24:11** If you as the human can learn to do that, you’ll always be ahead. We won’t even consider replacing you with AI because you’re doing the biggest thing that we look for: You know what’s going on. Tell me what I need to do today, tell me where things stand. If I, as the manager, am the one asking those questions, I’m already frustrated, and you’re already behind. So get ahead of it, get ahead of me. Don’t give me the chance because AI is going to give me what I need. I say this all to say people are always asking, “Will AI take my job?” That’s a really good use case of where AI would be able to do that if a human is unable to do that. **Christopher S. Penn – 24:54** Exactly. A good account manager is a good project manager at the end of the day. If you look at your task list, is it an admin’s list, or does it look like a project manager’s list? The difference is figuring out which end of the spectrum you are on. If you are closer to the admin side, you’re easier to replace by AI. If you’re close to the project manager side, where there’s a lot more complexity, you are harder to replace. **Katie Robbert – 25:20** I will say with the caveat, my final thought is that an account manager and a project manager are two different disciplines. You could make the Venn diagram and see where they overlap, but traditionally they are two different disciplines. We do know that, so please don’t comment correcting us. We are aware. **Christopher S. Penn – 25:39** Yes. Just take a look at those to-do lists. **Katie Robbert – 25:42** Yes. **Christopher S. Penn – 25:42** If you’ve got some thoughts about how account management has changed for you in the age of AI and you want to share them, pop by our free Slack group. Go to TrustInsights.ai/analyticsformarketers. You and over 4,500 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. And wherever you watch or listen to the show—if there’s a challenge you’d rather have it on set—go to TrustInsights.ai/tv. You can find us at all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you on the next one. **Katie Robbert – 26:13** Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive market analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. **Katie Robbert – 27:06** Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology and MarTech selection and implementation, and high-level strategic consulting encompassing emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, DALL-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members such as CMO or data scientists to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the “So What” livestream, webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights are adept at leveraging cutting-edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations. **Katie Robbert – 28:11** Data Storytelling. This commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights educational resources, which empower marketers to become more data-driven. Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid-sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever-evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. 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…with Julie Kane In today's educational landscape, supporting young people's mental health and emotional literacy is more important than ever. We know that many young people are struggling with managing their emotions and this impacts their education in a range of ways. Julie is a third-year PhD student at Aston University, and discusses her innovative research using zines to support emotional literacy and mental health in young people. Julie shares how her background in psychology and art inspired her to develop creative workshops for primary and secondary students. We discuss the benefits of arts-based approaches, the flexibility and community-building power of zines, and the positive feedback from schools. Julie also highlights practical resources for teachers and her ongoing efforts to adapt and expand this project. "It's like reading literacy—you can read words but not comprehend them. Emotional literacy involves both naming emotions and truly understanding them." – Julie Kane Zelp on Breath Education: https://breathe-edu.co.uk/zelp/ Key points of the discussion: Research on zines as a tool for improving emotional literacy and mental health in young people. Julie's background in psychology and child development, combined with interests in art and creative expression led to this research. Definition and importance of emotional literacy in understanding and expressing emotions. The role of arts-based projects in enhancing mental health and providing alternative forms of expression. Description and characteristics of zines as self-published materials for personal expression. The collaborative and solitary aspects of zine-making and its impact on community building. Implementation of zine workshops in primary schools and their structure, including psychoeducation lessons. Positive feedback from children participating in zine workshops and its effects on their emotional literacy. Adaptation of zine workshop materials for secondary school students and the challenges faced. Resources and support for teachers to implement zine-making in educational settings, including animated videos and lesson plans. Sign up to the newsletter: https://changingstatesofmind.com/contact-me  

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Industrial Talk is onsite at SMRP 2025 and talking to Joe Caetano, Practice Director at Elevotec about "Chasing the game in Asset Management". Scott MacKenzie and Joe Caetano discuss the importance of avoiding "chasing the game" in asset management and maintenance. Joe emphasizes the value of strategic investment over reactive decision-making, highlighting the role of Hexagon EAM in providing robust solutions. He shares insights from his experience at SMRP conferences, stressing the need for collaboration and learning. Joe also discusses the significance of understanding business processes and addressing "business trauma" to ensure successful implementation of new systems. He advocates for incremental changes and transparency to sustain efficiency and improve operational reliability. Action Items Outline Introduction and Welcome to Industrial Talk Podcast Scott MacKenzie introduces the Industrial Talk podcast, sponsored by CAP Logistics, emphasizing the importance of 24/7 insights into supply chains.Scott MacKenzie welcomes listeners to the podcast, celebrating industry professionals and encouraging them to attend the SMRP conference.Scott introduces Joe Caetano, the guest for the episode, and sets the stage for discussing "chasing the game." Joe Caetano's Background and SMRP Experience Joe shares his background, mentioning his multiple visits to the SMRP conference and his appreciation for the energy and solutions available.Scott and Joe discuss the friendly and collaborative nature of the SMRP event, likening it to a family.Joe talks about the importance of connecting with people and solutions at the conference, emphasizing the value of the event.Joe mentions his company's focus on solutions and their partnership with Hexagon EAM, highlighting the benefits of using a tier-one platform. Discussion on AI and Hexagon EAM Joe explains how Hexagon EAM acts as a "quarterback" for AI solutions, providing the necessary data and information.He discusses the different stages of maturity in asset management, from starting out to advanced sensor integration.Joe uses a hockey analogy to describe "chasing the game," where good teams invest in strategic practices rather than making rash decisions.He emphasizes the importance of listening to machines and people to avoid chasing the game and improve business efficiency. Challenges of Sustaining Efficiency and Change Management Scott raises a concern about sustaining efficiency after achieving initial success, fearing that changes might disrupt progress.Joe advises recognizing the aspects that led to success and making small, incremental changes to avoid negative repercussions.He warns against replicating success from one situation to another without considering the unique factors of each business.Joe stresses the importance of understanding the business and its critical control points to ensure successful change management. Importance of Business-First Approach and Collaboration Joe shares his company's approach of living with and supporting solutions until they are successful, emphasizing the need for a business-first mindset.He discusses the importance of transparency, collaboration, and contribution in managing service delivery.Joe introduces the concept of "business trauma," where past negative experiences can hinder progress and collaboration.He highlights the need for constructive conversations to identify and address gaps in solutions, ensuring better adoption and success. Implementation of Solutions and...

You ever notice how two people can have the exact same opportunities — same mentor, same strategy, even start on the same day — and one of them explodes while the other barely survives? I used to think the difference was skill, timing, or luck… but it's not. After years of coaching entrepreneurs, I finally figured out what actually separates the ones who get rich from the ones who stay stuck. And once I saw it, I could see it everywhere. In this episode, I'm going to show you the invisible chain reaction that determines everything — and it all comes down to four simple words that explain why some people win and others don't. Chapters 00:00 The Invisible Chain Reaction of Success 03:06 Beliefs That Shape Our Reality 05:58 The Power of Action and Implementation 08:59 Poor Beliefs vs. Rich Beliefs 12:11 Changing Your Beliefs to Change Your Life 14:47 The Life Change Formula 18:10 The Importance of Self-Worth 20:52 Wealth as a Tool for Good 23:57 Opportunities and Motion 26:53 Making Money: A Game of Action 30:02 Abundance vs. Scarcity Mindset 32:51 The Role of Beliefs in Success 35:54 Becoming More to Have More 39:00 The Journey of Self-Discovery

In the latest episode of the #TurntoTech series in FinTech's DEI Discussions, Nadia speaks with Joanna Hawro, SaaS Implementation Team Manager at Kantox by BNP Paribas, about the confidence it takes to pivot into tech.Joanna shares her journey from investment banking to FinTech, the mindset shifts that made it possible, and how belief, from both individuals and organisations, fuels real change.'Turn to Tech' is a special 12-part podcast series powered by FinTech's DEI Discussions podcast, in partnership with the City of London Corporation and Women Pivoting to Digital Taskforce.FinTech's DEI Discussions is powered by Harrington Starr, global leaders in Financial Technology Recruitment. For more episodes or recruitment advice, please visit our website www.harringtonstarr.com

Still stuck “talking” about change, but not seeing it in action? The real roadblock to change in math may not be teacher resistance—it might be your system.Based on Jim Knight's powerful article in Educational Leadership, “Moving from Talk to Action in Professional Learning,” this episode reframes what looks like math pd resistance in schools. We walk through the five stages of implementation—Non-Use, Awareness, Mechanical, Routine, and Proficient—and reveal how most educators aren't resisting change… they're stuck in a system that makes it nearly impossible to act on it. If multiple people are resisting, it's not a people problem—it's a system problem.You'll learn:What each of the five implementation stages looks like in real practice in math pdWhy math educators appear resistant—and how fear, perfectionism, and lack of agency fuel hesitationHow student-focused goals create momentum where strategy mandates fall flatSimple, leader-driven shifts that support movement in math pd from awareness to actionWhat it takes to make professional learning stick, even after the workshop endsPress play to explore Jim Knight's findings and discover what it really takes to turn professional learning into professional practice.Not sure what matters most when designing math improvement plans? Take this assessment and get a free customized report: https://makemathmoments.com/grow/ Math coordinators and leaders – Ready to design your math improvement plan with guidance, support and using structure? Learn how to follow our 4 stage process. https://growyourmathprogram.com Looking to supplement your curriculum with problem based lessons and units? Make Math Moments Problem Based Lessons & Units Show Notes PageLove the show? Text us your big takeaway!Are you wondering how to create K-12 math lesson plans that leave students so engaged they don't want to stop exploring your math curriculum when the bell rings? In their podcast, Kyle Pearce and Jon Orr—founders of MakeMathMoments.com—share over 19 years of experience inspiring K-12 math students, teachers, and district leaders with effective math activities, engaging resources, and innovative math leadership strategies. Through a 6-step framework, they guide K-12 classroom teachers and district math coordinators on building a strong, balanced math program that grows student and teacher impact. Each week, gain fresh ideas, feedback, and practical strategies to feel more confident and motivate students to see the beauty in math. Start making math moments today by listening to Episode #139: "Making Math Moments From Day 1 to 180.

What if you could transform a legacy law firm while staying true to your personal goals? In this episode of Great Practice, Great Life®, attorney Lauren Presser reveals the law firm growth strategies that transformed her practice, creating clarity, balance, and sustainable growth. After buying out her uncle's 50-year-old family firm in Johnstown, Pennsylvania, Lauren partnered with Atticus to modernize every part of her practice. The result was a 35% increase in revenue within one year, without sacrificing her family time or her sanity. This is a compelling narrative of courage, mentorship, and strategic innovation in a traditionally static industry. Lauren's transformation began with a clear why: she wanted to be fully present for her children while leading a thriving practice. Every change she made flowed from that intention. With coaching and focus, she trained her legal assistants to lead initial consultations, replaced discounts with fixed-fee packages, and introduced structured scheduling: no walk-ins, time templates, and set client touchpoints. Lauren's story is a masterclass in law firm growth strategies that actually work. Her firm's culture evolved too. Lauren implemented a simple bonus structure built around three measurable KPIs, aligning her team and inspiring accountability. The result was a calm, collaborative environment where everyone knew what success looked like. Lauren's story proves that growth doesn't require burnout. By setting boundaries, empowering her team, and leading with purpose, she built a profitable firm that supports her life instead of consuming it. Her journey is a powerful example of what's possible when you pair intentional leadership with practical systems and a reminder that success at work means little if you miss the moments that matter most at home. In this episode, you will hear: Lauren Presser's transformation from associate to principal owner of a 50-year-old law firm Strategies for achieving a 35% revenue increase while maintaining work-life balance Implementation of fixed pricing models and bonus structures based on key performance indicators Overcoming challenges in a family-run firm and navigating systemic changes with the help of mentorship Strategic moves, such as relocating to a larger office space to accommodate a growing team Importance of setting boundaries to ensure personal well-being and professional success Empowering non-lawyers to conduct initial consultations and the benefits of adopting innovative business practices Subscribe & Review Never miss an episode. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. ⭐Like what you hear? A quick review helps more people find the show.⭐ Supporting Resources: Lauren Presser: apelderlaw.com/about/our-attorneys Ayres Presser Elder Law: apelderlaw.com Mark Metzger: atticusadvantage.com/team/mark-metzger Julianna Maria: atticusadvantage.com/team/julianna-maria Practice Growth Diagnostic: atticusadvantage.com/practice-growth-diagnostic   Code: STEVESENTME to get it for free! DISC assessment: atticusadvantage.com/disc-assessment Workshop: The Path to a Great Practice & Great Life: atticusadvantage.com/workshops/the-path-to-a-great-practice-great-life Is It Possible for Non-Lawyers to Do Initial Meetings? with Patti Paz: atticusadvantage.com/podcast/train-your-team-members-for-client-intake Lawyer Coaching: atticusadvantage.com/coaching My Great Life Focus: mygreatlifefocus.com The Summit: atticussummit.com Atticus Newsletter If there's a topic you would like us to cover on an upcoming episode, please email us at steve.riley@atticusadvantage.com. Episode Credits If you like this podcast and are thinking of creating your own, consider talking to my producer, Emerald City Productions. They helped me grow and produce the podcast you are listening to right now. Find out more at https://emeraldcitypro.com Let them know we sent you.

Not every season of business needs a coach—and some “must-hire” advice is straight-up nonsense. In this fiery, funny, double-blunt chat, Leonie and Tam unpack when coaching is actually worth it, the red flags to avoid, and smarter (often cheaper) alternatives that get real results—especially for neurodivergent, values-driven women running online businesses.Who it's for: Online business women who want strategic growth without guru-worship, bro marketing, or 70-hour weeks.Top Takeaways“Should I hire a coach?” isn't the first question. Start with: What problem am I solving right now? Accountability? Systems? Marketing? ADHD-friendly productivity?Pick by fit, not hype. Know your learning style (step-by-step system vs. options menu; strategy vs. energetics—or a blend).Cost ≠ ROI. A $50k package when you're under $100k revenue is rarely wise. Do the math, not the mantra.Don't stack mentors you can't implement. Learning ≠ doing. Implementation wins.Vet for longevity, ethics, and lifestyle match. Can you (and do you want to) run your business the way they run theirs?Be a powerful mentee. Keep sovereignty. You own decisions, actions, and results.Red Flags (Buyer Beware)Meteoric “8-figure in 2 years” with zero long-term track record.Follower spikes that smell like bots.Income claims without ad spend transparency.One-true-way formulas that punish deviation.Values misalignment (politics/ethics you can't stomach).Hustle-glorification incompatible with your life, health, or spoons.Smart Alternatives to Long Coaching ContainersBody doubling/accountability rooms for execution.VIP Day / “Done in a Day” for systems or a 6-month plan.Low-stakes test drive: a book, short course, or workshop before going deep.Timestamped Guide00:00 — Welcome back! Why this episode might surprise you.01:12 — The real first question: do you need a coach—or something else?03:05 — Picking style: accountability buddy, productivity, ADHD, intuitive + strategy, or “menu of options.”06:18 — Tam's calendar kryptonite: when “just go do it” isn't helpful (and what to ask for instead).09:40 — Body doubling > procrastination: simple ways to get sh*t done.11:02 — Spectrum check: manifest girlies ↔ pure strategy (and how to choose).14:30 — VIP Days & Website-In-A-Day: fast, focused outcomes without a 6-month saga.16:15 — Time cost reality: hours to watch, think, and implement—do you have them?18:04 — Money talk: when big-ticket coaching is a bad investment.20:32 — The “3 masterminds at once” myth—and why implementation capacity is the limiter.23:10 — Sunk-cost honesty: permission to stop when the fit is wrong (and forgive yourself).25:26 — Due diligence: longevity, follower audits, income claims, and ad spend.28:05 — Vibe & values: try a low-cost offer first; check ethics before you commit.30:48 — Lifestyle fit matters: rejecting 5:30am–10pm hustle culture (spoons, parenting, health).33:12 — How to be a powerful mentee: sovereignty, responsibility, and doing the work.35:20 — Don't pedestal your coach: keep what works, discard the rest.37:45 — The sales-page mistake: why a “video + buy button” flopped (missing funnel context).40:11 — Balance inner vs outer work: keep learning to ~10–20% of your week.42:05 — Right relationship as a coach: no gurus, no dependence—just partnership.44:00 — Wrap + how to share your “good mentee” growth edges.If this helped, rate 5★ and send it to a business bestie who's coach-curious but hype-hunted. Got topic requests? Email support@leoniedawson.com.#WomenInBusiness #OnlineBusiness #BusinessCoach #Mastermind #ADHDBusiness #NeurodivergentEntrepreneurs #Productivity #BodyDoubling #EthicalMarketing #FeministBusiness #ValuesBasedBusiness #SpoonieBusiness #CreativeEntrepreneur #AustralianBusiness #ImplementationOverInspiration

"At RX, we celebrate failure, which is kind of a strange thing to say," said RX CEO Hugh Jones on the November 2025 edition of Trade Show Talk.  Why?   "Failure is actually a part of the executive process and making great choices," he said In this episode, Host Danica Tormohlen delves into this topic and more with Jones, who shares the company's recent growth and strategic bets in the trade show industry.   Jones discusses a broad range of topics, including RX's expansion into Saudi Arabia, digital product development, and the importance of celebrating failures to drive innovation and leadership.   For context: RX, a division of public company RELX and ranked No. 2 on the Stax Top 20 Exhibition Organizers List (by revenues), produced 282 face-to-face events in 25 countries in 2024, and these events served 41 industry sectors and attracted more than 6 million participants, according to its 2024 Annual Report. Some of RX's flagship events include New York ComicCon, JCK, ISC West, and FIBO Global Fitness. In its most recent earnings report in August, RX saw 8% growth year over year for the first half of 2025.  The episode also features interviews with Legends Global GM Rodney Falk on the Cincinnati convention center's reopening in January 2026 and Exhibitions and Conferences Alliance Executive VP Tommy Goodwin on the U.S. government shutdown's impact on the industry.  00:00 Introduction to Trade Show Talk  00:34 Meet Hugh Jones, CEO of RX  01:22 Sponsorship Message from Legends Global  02:08 Hugh Jones' Background and Philosophy  04:17 Interview with Hugh Jones Begins  04:24 The Importance of Taking Risks  07:16 RX's Expansion and Acquisitions  08:36 Digital Transformation at RX  11:39 Innovative Approaches in Trade Shows  15:16 Navigating the Pandemic and Strategic Changes  20:25 Value-Based Selling and Customer Focus  29:08 Advocacy, Sustainability, and Talent in the Trade Show Industry  37:40 The Importance of Standardization in Events  40:30 Digital Innovation and Future Trends  44:42 Real-Time Matchmaking and Industry Trends  46:08 AI in Trade Shows: Strategy and Implementation  49:41 Personal Insights: Monday Morning Routine  52:24 Upcoming Events and Travel Plans  54:35 Hobbies and Family Life  55:55 Worst Business Advice Ever Received  58:25 Cincinnati Convention Center Update  01:14:27 Advocacy Update with Tommy Goodwin  01:22:03 Conclusion and Upcoming Episodes    This episode is brought to you by Legends Global.   Legends Global is the premier partner to the world's greatest live events, venues, and brands. Legends Global delivers a fully integrated suite of premium services—from feasibility and consulting to venue management, sales, merchandise, hospitality, partnerships, content and booking. The company's white-label approach keeps partners front and center while leveraging the power of their global network with more than 450 venues, 20,000 events, and 165 million guests annually. Learn more at LegendsGlobal.com.     Guest bio: Hugh Jones   Chief Executive Officer   Every executive has to place bets in order for the value propositions to remain relevant to the customers, but not every bet has to work. Hugh believes that executives learn by both our successes and our failures. That philosophy has served Hugh well over the years since joining RELX in 2011, following the purchase of Accuity where he was Chief Executive Officer. In addition to leading Accuity to become one of the world's largest and most significant companies in the payment routing and Anti Money Laundering sectors, Hugh has also led Fircosoft, NRS, I.C.I.S, Estates Gazette (EG) and Cirium; and before joining RX he was Global Managing Director within the Risk and Business Analytics Division.   Hugh's philosophy has seen him lead large scale acquisitions and subsequent integrations of many companies that now reside and prosper within the RELX portfolio. Hugh joined RX as CEO at the start of 2020, bringing with him plenty of experience in public company protocol and all facets of business management including P&L oversight, talent development, forecasting, sales execution, technology innovation and product discovery, launch and growth.   Hugh's experience has been invaluable in navigating RX's response to challenges and his strategic understanding of technological innovation has accelerated the use of digital and data products and services across RX events, as an ongoing core component of RX face to face events. Passionate about building a culture of collaboration, exploring, risk taking, accountability and courage, Hugh champions the creation of a psychologically safe and inclusive workplace for all.  versed in public company protocol and all facets of firm management including P&L oversight, talent development, forecasting, sales, technology and product innovation, discovery, launch and growth.   A mélange of exceptional investment and overall management qualifications, combined with superior analytical leadership. Accustomed to and effective in high-profile executive roles, making high-stakes investment decisions with world-class clients and customers. Versed in leading investor forums at a publicly traded firm, commercializing data streams, contributing forward-thinking vision and overcoming complex business obstacles.   More than two decades of experience building corporate value by creating rich data streams that provide new solutions to difficult corporate challenges. Successful at developing and coaching top executive teams, leading sales efforts, and negotiating complicated corporate and functional business deals with financial institutions, corporations and governmental agencies.  • Member of the Young President's Organization (YPO) since 2009 • Served on numerous Boards for the benefit of Private Equity firms • Winner of the 2013 Ernst & Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award in Financial Services for the Midwest Region • Holds a BA in economics from Yale University cum laude and an MBA from the University of Michigan  Guest bio: Tommy Goodwin is Executive Vice President for the Exhibitions & Conferences Alliance (ECA), the advocacy association for the business events industry. In this role, he leads ECA's work on behalf of the interconnected ecosystem of exhibitors, event and meeting organizers, suppliers, venues, and destinations that comprise the global business events landscape.     Prior to joining ECA, Tommy spent more than 20 years leading social impact, member value, public affairs, and international engagement efforts for several globally recognized associations and corporations, including Oracle, AARP, and the Project Management Institute (PMI). Additionally, he was a research fellow at Harvard Business School focused on the international political and legal environment in which businesses and social enterprises operate.     Tommy has a B.B.A. from The George Washington University, an M.B.A. from Auburn University, and a Postgraduate Diploma in European Union Law from King's College London. He also holds several certifications including a Project Management Professional from PMI, a Certified Meeting Planner from the Events Industry Council, and a Certified Association Executive from the American Society of Association Executives (ASAE).     Recognized by The Hill in its list of association "Top Lobbyists" every year since 2020, Tommy was also named a "Leading Association Lobbyist" by CEO Update/Association TRENDS in 2023. He has also been elected as a Fellow by ASAE (2022), named an "Association Innovation Leader" by DCA Live (2022), received the "Industry Support Award" from Trade Show News Network (2022), and recognized as an events industry "Changemaker" by MeetingsNet (2022).     Tommy currently serves on the advisory boards of Factum Global and The Iceberg. He is also a past president of the National Institute of Lobbying & Ethics and a past chair of ASAE's Executive Management Professionals Advisory Council and Advocacy Council.    Host bio: Danica Tormohlen    Meet Danica Tormohlen, a dynamic force in the trade world who's been telling compelling stories for more than 30 years. As VP of Group Content at Informa, she's the mastermind behind Trade Show News Network, bringing the pulse of the industry to life. When she's not crafting engaging content, you'll find her behind the microphone hosting the Trade Show Talk podcast, where she chats with industry movers and shakers.    A proud Mizzou Journalism School grad (go Tigers!), Danica has left her mark across the events industry landscape, from SISO to Trade Show Executive. Her trophy shelf sparkles with journalism awards, but what really gets her excited is breaking new ground for women in the industry. As a founding member and current president of the Women in Exhibitions Network North America, she's passionate about lifting others up while climbing the ladder herself.    When she's not reporting on trade shows and events, you'll spot Danica pounding the pavement as an enthusiastic runner or rolling up her sleeves with the National Charity League, proving that giving back is always in style. Her secret sauce? A perfect blend of journalistic integrity, industry insight, and boundless energy.     Catch Danica's latest thoughts on LinkedIn and X, where she's always sharing industry insights with a personal twist.   

Your implementation and professional services teams could be quietly eroding your gross profit margin — and most SaaS leaders don't even realize it. In episode #324, Ben Murray explains how unclear COGS structure, mispriced services, and untracked internal resources can distort your unit economics and lower your overall SaaS valuation. If your service margins are negative or your gross profit doesn't match expectations, this episode shows you exactly where to look — and how to fix it. What You'll Learn Why implementation teams often kill gross profit without you noticing. How to calculate services margins by setting up clean revenue streams and COGS cost centers. The right services gross margin target. Why doing “free” onboarding work can destroy your unit economics. How underpricing services or blending resources (support, CS, services) skews your financial reporting. The balance between protecting ARR and monetizing implementation revenue. How to fix your SaaS P&L for visibility into margins by revenue stream. Why It Matters For CFOs & Founders: Misclassified or underpriced services directly lower gross profit, cash flow, and company valuation. For Finance Teams: Clean COGS and OPEX separation creates accurate financial modeling, ARR margins, and retention-linked profitability. For Investors: Understanding margins by revenue stream signals financial discipline and scalability. For Operators: Properly scoped and priced services keep customer onboarding efficient and profitable. Key Takeaways Every SaaS company should know gross margin by revenue stream (subscription, usage, services). Services losing 20–30% gross margin dilute your financial performance and cash flow forecasting. Accurate classification drives better SaaS metrics, including CAC payback, Cost of ARR, and LTV:CAC. A well-structured financial system is your best defense against margin erosion. Resources Mentioned Episode 323: Should Professional Services Be COGS or OPEX? SaaS Metrics Foundation Course: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation Quote from Ben “If you don't know your margins by revenue stream, you can't manage them — and services might be the silent killer of your gross profit.”

What does it take to keep a family business thriving for generations? In this episode of Unstoppable Mindset, I talk with Jan Southern, a seasoned business advisor who helps family-owned companies build long-term success through structure, trust, and clarity. We explore why so many family firms lose their way by the third generation—and what can be done right now to change that story. Jan shares how documenting processes, empowering people, and aligning goals can turn complexity into confidence. We unpack her “Three Ps” framework—People, Process, and Product—and discuss how strong leadership, accountability, and smart AI adoption keep growth steady and sustainable. If you've ever wondered what separates businesses that fade from those that flourish, this conversation will show you how to turn structure into freedom and process into legacy. Highlights: 00:10 – Why unexpected stories reveal how real businesses grow. 01:39 – How early life in Liberal, Kansas shaped a strong work ethic. 07:51 – What a 10,000 sq ft HQ build-out teaches about operations. 09:35 – How a trading floor was rebuilt in 36 hours and why speed matters. 11:21 – Why acquisitions fail without tribal knowledge and culture continuity. 13:19 – What Ferguson Alliance does for mid-market family businesses. 14:08 – Why many family firms don't make it to the third generation. 17:33 – How the 3 Ps—people, process, product—create durable growth. 20:49 – Why empowerment and clear decision rights prevent costly delays. 33:02 – The step-by-step process mapping approach that builds buy-in. 36:41 – Who should sponsor change and how to align managers. 49:36 – Why process docs and succession planning start on day one. 56:21 – Realistic timelines: six weeks to ninety days and beyond. 58:19 – How referrals expand projects across departments. About the Guest: With over 40 years of experience in the realm of business optimization and cost-effective strategies, Jan is a seasoned professional dedicated to revolutionizing company efficiency. From collaborating with large corporations encompassing over 1,000 employees to small 2-person offices, Jan's expertise lies in meticulously analyzing financials, processes, policies and procedures to drive enhanced performance. Since joining Ferguson Alliance in 2024, Jan has become a Certified Exit Planning Advisor and is currently in the process of certification in Artificial Intelligence Consulting and Implementation, adding to her ability to quickly provide businesses with an assessment and tools that will enhance their prosperity in today's competitive landscape. Jan's forte lies in crafting solutions that align with each client's vision, bolstering their bottom line and staffing dynamics. Adept in setting policies that align with company objectives, Jan is renowned for transforming challenges into opportunities for growth and longevity. With a knack for unraveling inefficiencies and analyzing net income, Jan is a go-to expert for family-owned businesses looking to extend their legacy into future generations. Ways to connect with Jan: Email address : Jan@Ferguson-Alliance.com Phone: 713 851 2229 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/jansouthern cepa Website: https://ferguson alliance.com About the Host: Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog. Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children's Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association's 2012 Hero Dog Awards. https://michaelhingson.com https://www.facebook.com/michael.hingson.author.speaker/ https://twitter.com/mhingson https://www.youtube.com/user/mhingson https://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelhingson/ accessiBe Links https://accessibe.com/ https://www.youtube.com/c/accessiBe https://www.linkedin.com/company/accessibe/mycompany/ https://www.facebook.com/accessibe/ Thanks for listening! Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! 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The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us.   Michael Hingson ** 01:20 Well, hi everyone. I want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. But the neat thing about it is we don't usually deal with inclusion or diversity. We deal with everything, but that because people come on this podcast to tell their own stories, and that's what we get to do today with Jan southern not necessarily anything profound about inclusion or diversity, but certainly the unexpected. And I'm sure we're going to figure out how that happens and what's unexpected about whatever I got to tell you. Before we started, we were just sitting here telling a few puns back and forth. Oh, well, we could always do that, Jan, well, welcome to unstoppable mindset. We're glad you're here. Thank you so much. Glad to be here. Any puns before we start?   Jan Southern ** 02:09 No, I think we've had enough of those. I think we did it   Michael Hingson ** 02:11 in, huh? Yes. Well, cool. Well, I want to thank you for being here. Jan has been very actively involved in a lot of things dealing with business and helping people and companies of all sizes, companies of all sizes. I don't know about people of all sizes, but companies of all sizes in terms of becoming more effective and being well, I'll just use the term resilient, but we'll get into that. But right now, let's talk about the early Jan. Tell us about Jan growing up and all that sort of stuff that's always fun to start with.   Jan Southern ** 02:50 Yes, I grew up in Liberal Kansas, which is a small town just north of the Oklahoma border and a little bit east of New Mexico kind of down in that little Four Corners area. And I grew up in the time when we could leave our house in the morning on the weekends and come home just before dusk at night, and our parents didn't panic, you know. So it was a good it was a good time growing up. I i lived right across the street from the junior high and high school, so I had a hugely long walk to work, I mean,   Michael Hingson ** 03:28 to school,   Jan Southern ** 03:30 yeah, and so, you know, was a, was a cheerleader in high school, and went to college, then at Oklahoma State, and graduated from there, and here I am in the work world. I've been working since I was about 20 years old, and I'd hate to tell you how many years that's been.   Michael Hingson ** 03:51 You can if you want. I won't tell   03:55 nobody will know.   Michael Hingson ** 03:57 Good point. Well, I know it's been a long time I read your bio, so I know, but that's okay. Well, so when you What did you major in in college psychology? Ah, okay. And did you find a bachelor's degree or just bachelor's   Jan Southern ** 04:16 I did not. I got an Mrs. Degree and had two wonderful children and grew up, they've grown up and to become very fine young men with kids of their own. So I have four grandchildren and one great grandchild, so   Michael Hingson ** 04:33 Wowie Zowie, yeah, that's pretty cool. So when you left college after graduating, what did you do?   Jan Southern ** 04:40 I first went to work in a bank. My ex husband was in pharmacy school at Oklahoma, State University of Oklahoma, and so I went to work in a bank. I was the working wife while he went to pharmacy school. And went to work in a bank, and years later, became a bank consultant. So we we lived in Norman, Oklahoma until he was out of school and and as I began having children during our marriage, I went to work for a pediatrician, which was very convenient when you're trying to take care of kids when they're young.   Michael Hingson ** 05:23 Yeah, and what did you What did you do for a pediatrician?   Jan Southern ** 05:27 I was, I was her receptionist, and typed medical charts, so I learned a lot about medicine. Was very she was head of of pediatrics at a local hospital, and also taught at the university. And so I got a great education and health and well being of kids. It was, it was a great job.   Michael Hingson ** 05:51 My my sister in law had her first child while still in high school, and ended up having to go to work. She went to work for Kaiser Permanente as a medical transcriber, but she really worked her way up. She went to college, got a nursing degree, and so on, and she became a nurse. And eventually, when she Well, she didn't retire, but her last job on the medical side was she managed seven wards, and also had been very involved in the critical care unit. Was a nurse in the CCU for a number of years. Then she was tasked. She went to the profit making side of Kaiser, as it were, and she was tasked with bringing paperless charts into Kaiser. She was the nurse involved in the team that did that. So she came a long way from being a medical transcriber.   Jan Southern ** 06:51 Well, she came a long way from being a single mom in high school. That's a great story of success.   Michael Hingson ** 06:56 Well, and she wasn't totally a single mom. She she and the guy did marry, but eventually they they did divorce because he wasn't as committed as he should be to one person, if it were,   Speaker 1 ** 07:10 that's a familiar story. And he also drank and eventually died of cirrhosis of the liver. Oh, that's too bad. Yeah, that's always sad, but, you know, but, but she coped, and her her kids cope. So it works out okay. So you went to work for a pediatrician, and then what did you do?   Jan Southern ** 07:31 Well, after my husband, after he graduated, was transferred to Dallas, and I went to work for a company gardener, Denver company at the time, they've been since purchased by another company. And was because of my experience in banking prior to the pediatrician, I went to work in their corporate cash management division, and I really enjoyed that I was in their corporate cash management for their worldwide division, and was there for about four years, and really enjoyed it. One of my most exciting things was they were moving their headquarters from Quincy, Illinois down to Dallas. And so I had been hired. But since they were not yet in Dallas, I worked with a gentleman who was in charge of putting together their corporate offices. And so we made all the arrangements. As far as we had a got a 10,000 square foot blank space when we started. And our job was to get every desk, every chair, every pen and pencil. And so when somebody moved from Quincy, Illinois, they moved in and they had their desk all set up. Their cuticles were cubicles were ready to go and and they were they could hit the ground running day one, so that,   Michael Hingson ** 09:02 so you, you clearly really got into dealing with organization, I would would say, then, wouldn't, didn't you?   Jan Southern ** 09:11 Yes, yes, that was my, probably my first exposure to to the corporate world and learning exactly how things could be more efficient, more cost effective. And I really enjoyed working for that company.   Michael Hingson ** 09:30 I remember, after September 11, we worked to provide the technology that we were selling, but we provided technology to Wall Street firms so they could recover their data and get set up again to be able to open the stock exchange and all the trading floors on the 17th of September. So the next Monday. And it was amazing, one of the companies was, I think it was Morgan Stanley. Finally and they had to go find new office space, because their office space in the World Trade Center was, needless to say, gone. They found a building in Jersey City that had a floor, they said, about the size of a football field, and from Friday night to Sunday afternoon, they said it took about 36 hours. They brought in computers, including IBM, taking computers from some of their own people, and just bringing them into to Morgan Stanley and other things, including some of the technology that we provided. And within 36 hours, they had completely reconstructed a trading floor. That's amazing. It was, it was absolutely amazing to see that. And you know, for everyone, it was pretty crazy, but Wall Street opened on the 17th and and continued to survive.   Jan Southern ** 10:57 That's a great story.   Michael Hingson ** 10:59 So what did you do? So you did this, this work with the 10,000 square foot space and other things like that. And then what?   Jan Southern ** 11:08 Well, once, once everyone moved into the space in Dallas. Then I began my work in their in their corporate cash management area. And from there, my next job was working in a bank when my my husband, then was transferred back to Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I went back to work in banking. And from that bank, I was there about three to four years, and I was hired then by John Floyd as a as a consultant for banks and credit unions, and I was with that company for 42 years. My gosh, I know that's unusual these days, but I really enjoyed what I did. We did re engineering work and cost effectiveness and banks and credit unions for those 42 years. And so that was where I really cut my teeth on process improvement and continuous improvement, and still in that industry. But their company was bought by a an equity firm. And of course, when that happens, they like to make changes and and bring in their own folks. So those of us who had been there since day one were no longer there.   Michael Hingson ** 12:26 When did that happen?   Jan Southern ** 12:27 That was in 2022   Michael Hingson ** 12:32 so it's interesting that companies do that they always want to bring in their own people. And at least from my perspective, it seems to me that they forget that they lose all the tribal knowledge that people who have been working there have that made the company successful   Jan Southern ** 12:51 Absolutely. So I guess they're still doing well, and they've done well for themselves afterwards, and but, you know, they do, they lose all the knowledge, they lose all of the continuity with the clients. And it's sad that they do that, but that's very, very common.   Michael Hingson ** 13:13 Yeah, I know I worked for a company that was bought by Xerox, and all the company wanted was our technology. All Xerox wanted was the technology. And they lost all of the knowledge that all the people with sales experience and other kinds of experiences brought, because they terminated all of us when the company was fully in the Xerox realm of influence.   Jan Southern ** 13:39 So you know what I went through? Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 13:42 Well, what did you do after you left that company? After you left John Floyd,   Jan Southern ** 13:47 I left John Floyd, I was under a I was under a non compete, so I kind of knocked around for a couple of years. I was of age where I could have retired, but I wasn't ready to. So then I found Ferguson Alliance, and I'm now a business advisor for family owned businesses, and so I've been with Ferguson just over a year, and doing the same type of work that I did before. In addition to that, I have become a certified Exit Planning advisor, so that I can do that type of work as well. So that's that's my story in a nutshell. As far as employment,   Michael Hingson ** 14:26 what is Ferguson Alliance?   Jan Southern ** 14:29 Ferguson Alliance, we are business advisors for family owned businesses. And the perception is that a family owned business is going to be a small business, but there are over 500,000 family owned businesses in the United States. Our market is the middle market, from maybe 50 employees up to 1000 20 million in revenues, up to, you know, the sky's the limit, and so we do. Do a lot of work as far as whatever can help a family owned business become more prosperous and survive into future generations. It's a sad statistic that most family owned businesses don't survive into the third generation.   Michael Hingson ** 15:16 Why is that?   Jan Southern ** 15:19 I think because they the first the first generation works themselves, their fingers to the bone to get their their business off the ground, and they get successful, and their offspring often enjoy, if you will, the fruits of the labors of their parents and so many of them, once they've gone to college, they don't have an interest in joining the firm, and so they go on and succeed on their own. And then their children, of course, follow the same course from from their work. And so that's really, I think, the primary reason, and also the the founders of the businesses have a tendency to let that happen, I think. And so our coaching programs try to avoid that and help them to bring in the second and third generations so that they can, you know, they can carry on a legacy of their parents or the founders.   Michael Hingson ** 16:28 So what do you do, and what kinds of initiatives do you take to extend the longevity of a family owned business then,   Jan Southern ** 16:39 well, the first thing is that that Rob, who's our founder of our family owned business, does a lot of executive coaching and helps the helps the people who are within the business, be it the founder or being at their second or third generations, and he'll help with coaching them as to how to, hey, get past the family dynamics. Everybody has their own business dynamics. And then you add on top of that, the family dynamics, in addition to just the normal everyday succession of a business. And so we help them to go through those types of challenges, if you will. They're not always a challenge, but sometimes, if there are challenges, Rob's coaching will take them through that and help them to develop a succession plan that also includes a document that says that that governance plan as to how their family business will be governed, in addition to just a simple succession plan, and my role in a lot of that is to make sure that their business is ready to prosper too. You know that their their assessment of as far as whether they're profitable, whether they are their processes are in place, etc, but one of the primary things that we do is to help them make certain that that if they don't want to survive into future generations, that we help them to prepare to either pass it along to a family member or pass it along to someone who's a non family member, right?   Michael Hingson ** 18:34 So I've heard you mentioned the 3p that are involved in extending longevity. Tell me about that. What are the three P's?   Jan Southern ** 18:41 Well, the first p is your people. You know, if you don't take care of your people, be they family members or non family members, then you're not going to be very successful. So making certain that you have a system in place, have a culture in place that takes care of your people. To us, is very key. Once you make sure that your people are in a culture of continuous improvement and have good, solid foundation. In that regard, you need to make sure that your processes are good. That's the second P that that you have to have your processes all documented, that you've authorized your people to make decisions that they don't always have to go to somebody else. If you're a person in the company and you recognize that something's broken, then you need to have empowerment so that your people can make decisions and not always have to get permission from someone else to make certain that those processes continuously are approved improved. That's how to you. Could have became so successful is they installed a product. They called it, I say, a product. They installed a culture. They called it kaizen. And so Kaizen was simply just continuous improvement, where, if you were doing a process and you ask yourself, why did I do it this way? Isn't there a better way? Then, you know, you're empowered to find a better way and to make sure that that that you can make that decision, as long as it fits in with the culture of the company. Then the third P is product. You know, you've got to have a product that people want. I know that you've seen a lot of companies fail because they're pushing a product that nobody wants. And so you make certain that your products are good, your products are good, high quality, and that you can deliver them in the way that you promise. And so those are really the 3p I'd like to go back to process and just kind of one of the things, as you know, we had some horrendous flooding here in Texas recently, and one of the things that happened during that, and not that it was a cause of it, but just one of the things that exacerbated the situation, is someone called to say, Please, we need help. There's flooding going on. It was one of their first responders had recognized that there was a tragic situation unfolding, and when he called into their system to give alerts, someone says, Well, I'm going to have to get approval from my supervisor, with the approval didn't come in time. So what's behind that? We don't know, but that's just a critical point as to why you should empower your people to make decisions when, when it's necessary.   Michael Hingson ** 21:56 I'm sure, in its own way, there was some of that with all the big fires out here in California back in January, although part of the problem with those is that aircraft couldn't fly for 36 hours because the winds were so heavy that there was just no way that the aircraft could fly. But you got to wonder along the way, since they are talking about the fact that the electric companies Southern California, Edison had a fair amount to do with probably a lot a number of the fires igniting and so on, one can only wonder what might have happened if somebody had made different decisions to better prepare and do things like coating the wires so that if they touch, they wouldn't spark and so on that they didn't do. And, you know, I don't know, but one can only wonder.   Jan Southern ** 22:53 It's hard to know, you know, and in our situation, would it have made any difference had that person been able to make a decision on her own? Yeah, I was moving so rapidly, it might not have made any any difference at all, but you just have to wonder, like you said,   Michael Hingson ** 23:10 yeah, there's no way to, at this point, really know and understand, but nevertheless, it is hopefully something that people learn about for the future, I heard that they're now starting to coat wires, and so hopefully that will prevent a lot, prevent a lot of the sparking and so on. I'd always thought about they ought to put everything underground, but coating wire. If they can do that and do it effectively, would probably work as well. And that's, I would think, a lot cheaper than trying to put the whole power grid underground.   Jan Southern ** 23:51 I would think so we did when I was with my prior company. We did a project where they were burying, they were putting everything underground, and Burlington Vermont, and it was incredible what it takes to do that. I mean, you just, we on the outside, just don't realize, you know, there's a room that's like 10 by six underground that carries all of their equipment and things necessary to do that. And I never realized how, how costly and how difficult it was to bury everything. We just have the impression that, well, they just bury this stuff underground, and that's all. That's all it takes. But it's a huge, huge undertaking in order to do that   Michael Hingson ** 24:36 well. And it's not just the equipment, it's all the wires, and that's hundreds and of miles and 1000s of miles of cable that has to be buried underground, and that gets to be a real challenge.   Jan Southern ** 24:47 Oh, exactly, exactly. So another story about cables. We were working in West Texas one time on a project, and we're watching them stretch the. Wiring. They were doing some internet provisioning for West Texas, which was woefully short on in that regard, and they were stringing the wire using helicopters. It was fascinating, and the only reason we saw that is it was along the roadways when we were traveling from West Texas, back into San Antonio, where flights were coming in and out of so that was interesting to watch.   Michael Hingson ** 25:28 Yeah, yeah. People get pretty creative. Well, you know, thinking back a little bit, John Floyd must have been doing something right to keep you around for 42 years.   Jan Southern ** 25:40 Yes, they did. They were a fabulous country company and still going strong. I think he opened in 1981 it's called advantage. Now, it's not John Floyd, but Right, that was a family owned business. That's where I got to cut my teeth on the dynamics of a family owned business and how they should work and how and his niece is one of the people that's still with the company. Whether, now that they're owned by someone else, whether she'll be able to remain as they go into different elements, is, is another question. But yeah, they were, they were great.   Michael Hingson ** 26:20 How many companies, going back to the things we were talking about earlier, how many companies when they're when they buy out another company, or they're bought out by another company, how many of those companies generally do succeed and continue to grow? Do you have any statistics, or do more tend not to than do? Or   Jan Southern ** 26:40 I think that more tend to survive. They tend to survive, though, with a different culture, I guess you would say they they don't retain the culture that they had before. I don't have any firm statistics on that, because we don't really deal with that that much, but I don't they tend to survive with it, with a the culture of the newer company, if they fold them in, yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 27:15 Well, and the reality is to be fair, evolution always takes place. So the John Floyd and say, 2022 wasn't the same as the John Floyd company in 1981   Jan Southern ** 27:31 not at all. No, exactly, not at all.   Michael Hingson ** 27:34 So it did evolve, and it did grow. And so hopefully, when that company was absorbed elsewhere and with other companies, they they do something to continue to be successful, and I but I think that's good. I know that with Xerox, when it bought Kurzweil, who I worked for, they were also growing a lot and so on. The only thing is that their stock started to drop. I think that there were a number of things. They became less visionary, I think is probably the best way to put it, and they had more competition from other companies developing and providing copiers and other things like that. But they just became less visionary. And so the result was that they didn't grow as much as probably they should have.   Jan Southern ** 28:28 I think that happens a lot. Sometimes, if you don't have a culture of continuous improvement and continuous innovation, which maybe they didn't, I'm not that familiar with how they move forward, then you get left behind. You know, I'm I'm in the process right now, becoming certified in artificial intelligent in my old age. And the point that's made, not by the company necessarily that I'm studying with, but by many others, is there's going to be two different kinds of companies in the future. There's going to be those who have adopted AI and those who used to be in business. And I think that's probably fair.   Michael Hingson ** 29:13 I think it is. And I also we talked with a person on this podcast about a year ago, or not quite a year ago, but, but he said, AI will not replace anyone's jobs. People will replace people's jobs with AI, but they shouldn't. They shouldn't eliminate anyone from the workforce. And we ended up having this discussion about autonomous vehicles. And the example that he gave is, right now we have companies that are shippers, and they drive product across the country, and what will happen to the drivers when the driving process becomes autonomous and you have self driving vehicles, driving. Across country. And his point was, what they should do, what people should consider doing is not eliminating the drivers, but while the machine is doing the driving, find and give additional or other tasks to the drivers to do so they can continue to be contributors and become more efficient and help the company become more efficient, because now you've got people to do other things than what they were used to doing, but there are other things that AI won't be able to do. And I thought that was pretty fascinating,   Jan Southern ** 30:34 exactly. Well, my my nephew is a long haul truck driver. He owns a company, and you know, nothing the AI will never be able to observe everything that's going on around the trucking and and you know, there's also the some of the things that that driver can do is those observations, plus they're Going to need people who are going to program those trucks as they are making their way across the country, and so I'm totally in agreement with what your friend said, or your you know, your guests had to say that many other things,   Michael Hingson ** 31:15 yeah, and it isn't necessarily even relating to driving, but there are certainly other things that they could be doing to continue to be efficient and effective, and no matter how good the autonomous driving capabilities are, it only takes that one time when for whatever reason, the intelligence can't do it, that it's good To have a driver available to to to to help. And I do believe that we're going to see the time when autonomous vehicles will be able to do a great job, and they will be able to observe most of all that stuff that goes on around them. But there's going to be that one time and that that happens. I mean, even with drivers in a vehicle, there's that one time when maybe something happens and a driver can't continue. So what happens? Well, the vehicle crashes, or there's another person to take over. That's why we have at least two pilots and airplanes and so on. So right, exactly aspects of it,   Jan Southern ** 32:21 I think so I can remember when I was in grade school, they showed us a film as to what someone's vision of the country was, and part of that was autonomous driving, you know. And so it was, it was interesting that we're living in a time where we're beginning to see that, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 32:41 we're on the cusp, and it's going to come. It's not going to happen overnight, but it will happen, and we're going to find that vehicles will be able to drive themselves. But there's still much more to it than that, and we shouldn't be in too big of a hurry, although some so called profit making. People may decide that's not true, to their eventual chagrin, but we shouldn't be too quick to replace people with technology totally   Jan Southern ** 33:14 Exactly. We have cars in I think it's Domino's Pizza. I'm not sure which pizza company, but they have autonomous cars driving, and they're cooking the pizza in the back oven of the car while, you know, while it's driving to your location, yeah, but there's somebody in the car who gets out of the car and brings the pizza to my door.   Michael Hingson ** 33:41 There's been some discussion about having drones fly the pizza to you. Well, you know, we'll see,   Jan Southern ** 33:50 right? We'll see how that goes. Yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 33:53 I haven't heard that. That one is really, pardon the pun, flown well yet. But, you know, we'll see. So when you start a process, improvement process program, what are some of the first steps that you initiate to bring that about? Well, the first   Jan Southern ** 34:11 thing that we do, once we've got agreement with their leadership, then we have a meeting with the people who will be involved, who will be impacted, and we tell them all about what's happening, what's going to happen, and make certain that they're in full understanding. And you know, the first thing that you ever hear when you're saying that you're going to be doing a re engineering or process improvement is they think, Oh, you're just going to come in and tell me to reduce my staff, and that's the way I'm going to be more successful. We don't look at it that way at all. We look at it in that you need to be right. Have your staff being the right size, and so in in many cases, in my past. I we've added staff. We've told them, you're under staffed, but the first thing we do is hold that meeting, make certain that they're all in agreement with what's going to happen, explain to them how it's going to happen, and then the next step is that once management has decided who our counterparts will be within the company. Who's going to be working with us to introduce us to their staff members is we sit down with their staff members and we ask them questions. You know, what do you do? How do you do it? What do you Did someone bring it to you. Are you second in line or next in line for some task? And then once you finish with it, what happens to it? Do you give someone else? Is a report produced? Etc. And so once we've answered all of those questions, we do a little a mapping of the process. And once you map that process, then you take it back to the people who actually perform the process, and you ask them, Did I get this right? I heard you say, this? Is this a true depiction of what's happening? And so we make sure that they don't do four steps. And they told us steps number one and three, so that then, once we've mapped that out, that gives us an idea of two of how can things be combined? Can they be combined? Should you be doing what you're doing here? Is there a more efficient or cost effective way of doing it? And we make our recommendations based on that for each process that we're reviewing. Sometimes there's one or two good processes in an area that we're looking at. Sometimes there are hundreds. And so that's that's the basic process. And then once they've said yes, that is correct, then we make our recommendations. We take it back to their management, and hopefully they will include the people who actually are performing the actions. And we make our recommendations to make changes if, if, if it's correct, maybe they don't need to make any changes. Maybe everything is is very, very perfect the way it is. But in most cases, they brought us in because it's not and they've recognized it's not. So then once they've said, yes, we want to do this, then we help them to implement.   Michael Hingson ** 37:44 Who usually starts this process, that is, who brings you in?   Jan Southern ** 37:48 Generally, it is going to be, depending upon the size of the company, but in most cases, it's going to be the CEO. Sometimes it's the Chief Operating Officer. Sometimes in a very large company, it may be a department manager, you know, someone who has the authority to bring us in. But generally, I would say that probably 90% of our projects, it's at the C   Michael Hingson ** 38:19 level office. So then, based on everything that you're you're discussing, probably that also means that there has to be some time taken to convince management below the CEO or CEO or a department head. You've got to convince the rest of management that this is going to be a good thing and that you have their best interest at heart.   Jan Southern ** 38:43 That is correct, and that's primarily the reason that we have for our initial meeting. We ask whoever is the contract signer to attend that meeting and be a part of the discussion to help to ward off any objections, and then to really bring these people along if they are objecting. And for that very reason, even though they may still be objecting, we involve them in the implementation, so an implementation of a of a recommendation has to improve, has to include the validation. So we don't do the work, but we sit alongside the people who are doing the implementation and guide them through the process, and then it's really up to them to report back. Is it working as intended? If it's not, what needs to be changed, what might improve, what we thought would be a good recommendation, and we work with them to make certain that everything works for them. Right? And by the end of that, if they've been the tester, they've been the one who's approved steps along the way, we generally find that they're on board because they're the it's now. They're now the owners of the process. And when they have ownership on something that they've implemented. It's amazing how much more resilient they they think that the process becomes, and now it's their process and not ours.   Michael Hingson ** 40:32 Do you find most often that when you're working with a number of people in a company that most of them realize that there need to be some changes, or something needs to be improved to make the whole company work better. Or do you find sometimes there's just great resistance, and people say no, there's just no way anything is bad.   Jan Southern ** 40:53 Here we find that 90% of the time, and I'm just pulling that percentage out of the air, I would say they know, they know it needs to be changed. And the ones typically, not always, but typically, the ones where you find the greatest resistance are the ones who know it's broken, but they just don't want to change. You know, there are some people who don't want to change no matter what, or they feel threatened that. They feel like that a new and improved process might take their place. You know, might replace them. And that's typically not the case. It's typically not the case at all, that they're not replaced by it. Their process is improved, and they find that they can be much more productive. But the the ones who are like I call them the great resistors, usually don't survive the process either. They are. They generally let themselves go,   Michael Hingson ** 42:01 if you will, more ego than working for the company.   Jan Southern ** 42:05 Yes, exactly, you know, it's kind of like my mom, you know, and it they own the process as it was. We used to laugh and call this person Louise, you know, Louise has said, Well, we've always done it that way. You know, that's probably the best reason 20 years in not to continue to do it same way.   Michael Hingson ** 42:34 We talked earlier about John Floyd and evolution. And that makes perfect sense. Exactly what's one of the most important things that you have to do to prepare to become involved in preparing for a process, improvement project? I think   Jan Southern ** 42:52 the most important thing there's two very important things. One is to understand their culture, to know how their culture is today, so that you know kind of which direction you need to take them, if they're not in a continuous improvement environment, then you need to lead them in that direction if they're already there and they just don't understand what needs to be done. There's two different scenarios, but the first thing you need to do is understand the culture. The second thing that you need to do, other than the culture, is understand their their business. You need to know what they do. Of course, you can't know from the outside how they do it, but you need to know that, for instance, if it's an we're working with a company that cleans oil tanks and removes toxins and foul lines from oil and gas industry. And so if you don't understand at all what they do, it's hard to help them through the processes that they need to go through. And so just learning, in general, what their technology, what their business is about. If you walk in there and haven't done that, you're just blowing smoke. In my mind, you know, I do a lot of research on the technologies that they use, or their company in general. I look at their website, I you know, look at their LinkedIn, their social media and so. And then we request information from them in advance of doing a project, so that we know what their org structure looks like. And I think those things are critical before you walk in the door to really understand their business in general.   Michael Hingson ** 44:53 Yeah, and that, by doing that, you also tend to. To gain a lot of credibility, because you come in and demonstrate that you do understand what they're doing, and people respond well to that, I would think   Jan Southern ** 45:10 they do. You know, one of our most interesting projects in my past was the electric company that I mentioned. There was an electric company in Burlington, Vermont that did their own electric generation. We've never looked at anything like that. We're a bank consultant, and so we learned all about how they generated energy with wood chips and the, you know, the different things. And, you know, there were many days that I was out watching the wood chips fall out of a train and into their buckets, where they then transferred them to a yard where they moved the stuff around all the time. So, you know, it was, it's very interesting what you learn along the way. But I had done my homework, and I knew kind of what they did and not how they did it in individual aspects of their own processes, but I understood their industry. And so it was, you do walk in with some credibility, otherwise they're looking at you like, well, what does this person know about my job?   Michael Hingson ** 46:20 And at the same time, have you ever been involved in a situation where you did learn about the company you you went in with some knowledge, you started working with the company, and you made a suggestion about changing a process or doing something that no one had thought of, and it just clicked, and everybody loved it when they thought about it,   Jan Southern ** 46:42 yes, yes, exactly. And probably that electric company was one of those such things. You know, when they hired us, they they told us. We said, We don't know anything about your business. And they said, Good, we don't want you to come in with any preconceived ideas. And so some of the recommendations we made to them. They were, it's kind of like an aha moment. You know, they look at you like, Oh my gosh. I've never thought of that, you know, the same I would say in in banking and in family businesses, you know, they just, they've never thought about doing things in a certain way.   Michael Hingson ** 47:20 Can you tell us a story about one of those times?   Jan Southern ** 47:24 Yes, I would say that if you're, if you're talking about, let's talk about something in the banking industry, where they are. I was working in a bank, and you, you go in, and this was in the days before we had all of the ways to store things electronically. And so they were having a difficult time in keeping all of their documents and in place and knowing when to, you know, put them in a destruction pile and when not to. And so I would say that they had an aha moment when I said, Okay, let's do this. Let's get a bunch of the little colored dots, and you have big dots and small dots. And I said, everything that you put away for 1990 for instance, then you put on a purple dot. And then for January, you have 12 different colors of the little dots that you put in the middle of them. And you can use those things to determine that everything that has a purple dot and little yellow.in the middle of that one, you know that that needs to be destructed. I think in that case, it was seven years, seven years from now, you know that you need to pull that one off the shelf and put it into the pile to be destructed. And they said, we've never thought of anything. It was like I had told him that, you know, the world was going to be struck, to be gone, to begin tomorrow. Yeah, it was so simple to me, but it was something that they had never, ever thought of, and it solved. They had something like five warehouses of stuff, most of which needed to have been destroyed years before, yeah,   Michael Hingson ** 49:21 but still they weren't sure what, and so you gave them a mechanism to do that,   Jan Southern ** 49:27 right? Of course, that's all gone out the window today. You don't have to do all that manual stuff anymore. You're just, you know, I'd say another example of that was people who were when we began the system of digitizing the files, especially loan files in a bank. And this would hold true today as well, in that once you start on a project to digitize the files, there's a tendency to take the old. Files first and digitize those. Well, when you do that, before you get to the end of it, if you have a large project, you don't need those files anymore. So you know, our recommendation is start with your latest. You know, anything that needs to be archived, start with the newest, because by the time that you finish your project, some of those old files you won't even need to digitize, just shred them. Yeah, you know, it's, it's just little simple things like that that can make all the difference.   Michael Hingson ** 50:32 When should a family business start documenting processes? I think I know that's what I thought you'd say,   Jan Southern ** 50:40 yes, yes, that is something that is near and dear to my heart. Is that I would even recommend that you maybe do it before you open your doors, if potential is there, so that the day you open your business, you need to start with your documenting your processes, and you need to start on your succession planning. You know, those are the days that once you really start working, you're not going to have time. You know, you're going to be busy working every day. You're you're going to be busy servicing your customers, and that always gets pushed to the back when you start to document something, and so that's the time do it when you first open your doors.   Michael Hingson ** 51:29 So when we talk about processes, maybe it's a fair question to ask, maybe not. But what are we really talking about when we talk about processes and documenting processes? What are the processes?   Jan Southern ** 51:41 Well, the processes are the things that you do every day. Let's take as an example, just when you set up your your files within your SharePoint, or within your computer, if you don't use SharePoint, your Google files, how you set those up, a process could also be during your accounting, what's the process that you go through to get a invoice approved? You know, when the invoice comes in from the vendor, what do you do with it? You know, who has to approve it? Are there dollar amounts that you have to have approvals for? Or can some people just take in a smaller invoice and pay it without any any approvals? We like to see there be a process where it's approved before you get the invoice from the customer, where it's been approved at the time of the order. And that way it can be processed more more quickly on the backside, to just make sure that it says what the purchase order if you use purchase orders or see what your agreement was. So it's the it's the workflow. There's something that triggers an action, and then, once gets triggered, then what takes place? What's next, what's the next steps? And you just go through each one of the things that has to happen for that invoice to get paid, and the check or wire transfer, or or whatever you use as a payment methodology for it to go out the door. And so, you know what you what you do is you start, there's something that triggers it, and then there's a goal for the end, and then you fill in in the center,   Michael Hingson ** 53:38 and it's, it's, it's a fascinating I hate to use the word process to to listen to all of this, but it makes perfect sense that you should be documenting right from the outset about everything that you do, because it also means that you're establishing a plan so that everyone knows exactly what the expectations are and exactly what it is that needs to be done every step of the way,   Jan Southern ** 54:07 right and and one of the primary reasons for that is we can't anticipate life. You know, maybe our favorite person, Louise, is the only one who's ever done, let's say, you know, payroll processing, or something of that sort. And if something happens and Louise isn't able to come in tomorrow, who's going to do it? You know, without a map, a road map, as to the steps that need to be taken, how's that going to take place? And so that's that's really the critical importance. And when you're writing those processes and procedures, you need to make them so that anybody can walk in off the street, if necessary, and do what Louise was doing and have it done. Properly.   Michael Hingson ** 55:00 Of course, as we know, Louise is just a big complainer anyway. That's right, you said, yeah. Well, once you've made recommendations, and let's say they're put in place, then what do you do to continue supporting a business?   Jan Southern ** 55:20 We check in with them periodically, whatever is appropriate for them and and for the procedures that are there, we make sure that it's working for them, that they're being as prosperous as they want to be, and that our recommendations are working for them. Hopefully they'll allow us to come back in and and most do, and make sure that what we recommended is right and in is working for them, and if so, we make little tweaks with their approvals. And maybe new technology has come in, maybe they've installed a new system. And so then we help them to incorporate our prior recommendations into whatever new they have. And so we try to support them on an ongoing basis, if they're willing to do that, which we have many clients. I think Rob has clients he's been with for ever, since he opened his doors 15 years ago. So   Michael Hingson ** 56:19 of course, the other side of that is, I would assume sometimes you work with companies, you've helped them deal with processes and so on, and then you come back in and you know about technology that that they don't know. And I would assume then that you suggest that, and hopefully they see the value of listening to your wisdom.   Jan Southern ** 56:41 Absolutely, we find that a lot. We also if they've discovered a technology on their own, but need help with recommendations, as far as implementation, we can help them through that as well, and that's one of the reasons I'm taking this class in AI to be able to help our customers move into a realm where it's much more easily implemented if, if they already have the steps that we've put into place, you can feed that into an AI model, and it can make adjustments to what they're doing or make suggestions.   Michael Hingson ** 57:19 Is there any kind of a rule of thumb to to answer this question, how long does it take for a project to to be completed?   Jan Southern ** 57:26 You know, it takes, in all fairness, regardless of the size of the company, I would say that they need to allow six weeks minimum. That's for a small company with a small project, it can take as long as a year or two years, depending upon the number of departments and the number of people that you have to talk to about their processes. But to let's just take an example of a one, one single department in a company is looking at doing one of these processes, then they need to allow at least six weeks to for discovery, for mapping, for their people to become accustomed to the new processes and to make sure that the implementation has been tested and is working and and they're satisfied with everything that that is taking place. Six weeks is a very, very minimum, probably 90 days is a more fair assessment as to how long they should allow for everything to take place.   Michael Hingson ** 58:39 Do you find that, if you are successful with, say, a larger company, when you go in and work with one department and you're able to demonstrate success improvements, or whatever it is that that you define as being successful, that then other departments want to use your services as well?   Jan Southern ** 59:00 Yes, yes, we do. That's a very good point. Is that once you've helped them to help themselves, if you will, once you've helped them through that process, then they recognize the value of that, and we'll move on to another division or another department to do the same thing.   Michael Hingson ** 59:21 Word of mouth counts for a lot,   Jan Southern ** 59:24 doesn't it? Though, I'd say 90% of our business at Ferguson and company comes through referrals. They refer either through a center of influence or a current client who's been very satisfied with the work that we've done for them, and they tell their friends and networking people that you know. Here's somebody that you should use if you're considering this type of a project.   Michael Hingson ** 59:48 Well, if people want to reach out to you and maybe explore using your services in Ferguson services, how do they do that?   Jan Southern ** 59:55 They contact they can. If they want to contact me directly, it's Jan. J, a n, at Ferguson dash alliance.com and that's F, E, R, G, U, S, O, N, Dash alliance.com and they can go to our website, which is the same, which is Ferguson dash alliance.com One thing that's very, very good about our our website is, there's a page that's called resources, and there's a lot of free advice, if you will. There's a lot of materials there that are available to family owned businesses, specifically, but any business could probably benefit from that. And so those are free for you to be able to access and look at, and there's a lot of blog information, free eBook out there, and so that's the best way to reach Ferguson Alliance.   Michael Hingson ** 1:00:52 Well, cool. Well, I hope people will take all of this to heart. You certainly offered a lot of interesting and I would say, very relevant ideas and thoughts about dealing with processes and the importance of having processes. For several years at a company, my wife was in charge of document control and and not only doc control, but also keeping things secure. Of course, having the sense of humor that I have, I pointed out nobody else around the company knew how to read Braille, so what they should really do is put all the documents in Braille, then they'd be protected, but nobody. I was very disappointed. Good idea   Speaker 2 ** 1:01:36 that is good idea that'll keep them safe from everybody. Yeah.   Michael Hingson ** 1:01:39 Well, I want to thank you for being here, and I want to thank to thank all of you for listening today. We've been doing this an hour. How much fun. It is fun. Well, I appreciate it, and love to hear from all of you about today's episode. Please feel free to reach out to me. You can email me at Michael H i@accessibe.com or go to our podcast page. Michael hingson, M, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I N, G, s, O, n.com/podcast, but wherever you're listening, please give us a five star rating. We value your thoughts and your opinions, and I hope that you'll tell other people about the podcasts as well. This has been an interesting one, and we try to make them all kind of fun and interesting, so please tell others about it. And if anyone out there listening knows of anyone who ought to be a guest, Jan, including you, then please feel free to introduce us to anyone who you think ought to be a guest on unstoppable mindset. Because I believe everyone has a story to tell, and I want to get as many people to have the opportunity to tell their stories as we can. So I hope that you'll all do that and give us reviews and and stick with us. But Jan, again, I want to thank you for being here. This has been a lot of fun.   Jan Southern ** 1:02:51 It has been a lot of fun, and I certainly thank you for inviting me.   Michael Hingson ** 1:03:00 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. 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Dr. Kathyrn Ridout (Kaiser Permanente Northern California) joins Dr. Dixon and Dr. Berezin to discuss implanting measurement-based care for solo and small-group practitioners. Transcript 00:33     Ridout interview 00:57     Background 02:56     Measurement-based care 04:32     Large integrated systems versus small group and solo practitioners 06:25     Evidence for the utility of measurement-based care 07:37     Communication and engagement between clinicians and patients 10:22     Edge cases that don't quite fit 13:44     Beyond just the PHQ-9 15:00     Moving beyond the measurement of just symptoms 16:04     What should providers be looking for in measurements? 17:27     Computerized adaptive testing 19:08     Artificial intelligence 22:23     When the measurement doesn't match 26:31     "Base truth" Subscribe to the podcast here. Check out Editor's Choice, a set of curated collections from the rich resource of articles published in the journal. Sign up to receive notification of new Editor's Choice collections. Browse other articles on our website. Be sure to let your colleagues know about the podcast, and please rate and review it wherever you listen to it. Listen to other podcasts produced by the American Psychiatric Association. Follow the journal on Twitter.

In this episode, we sit down with Elizabeth Gunst, herd manager at Smith-Crest in Watertown, Wisconsin and STgenetics Farmfit® Field Specialist Doug Petzel to discuss their use of the Farmfit® animal monitoring platform.They delve into the history, implementation, and benefits of Farmfit® at Smith-Crest, focusing on enhancing care for their show cows and managing reproductive records efficiently. Elizabeth also shares specific instances where the Farmfit® technology has made a pivotal difference in animal health and explores how the easy-to-use platform has integrated into their herd management system, making operations more proactive and efficient. She also highlights the practical applications of the technology, including monitoring animals remotely and preventing illness by responding to health concerns more quickly.00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction00:32 Overview of Smith-Crest and Farmfit®01:12 Implementation of Farmfit® at Smith-Crest01:58 Benefits of Farmfit® for Animal Care02:45 Utilizing Farmfit® Data04:55 Real-Life Success Stories with Farmfit®06:50 User Experience and Customer Support08:35 Future of Farmfit® at Smith-Crest09:49 Conclusion and Farewell

Where do professional services belong on a SaaS P&L—COGS or OPEX? In episode #323, Ben clarifies how to code implementation, onboarding, custom integrations, and the tricky custom development work that sometimes blurs the line with R&D. You'll learn how correct classification protects gross profit, keeps investor metrics credible, and supports a higher company valuation. - What You'll Learn What counts as Professional Services When custom dev is OPEX (R&D) vs. COGS How to handle integrations Why coding accuracy matters Practical P&L structure - Why It Matters (Finance & Investor Lens) Gross Profit Integrity: Correct COGS ensures reliable margins by revenue stream (subscription, services, usage) that investors expect. Credible SaaS metrics: Clean separation supports accurate CAC payback (GM-adjusted), Cost of ARR, and LTV:CAC. Valuation: Transparent accounting and financial systems reduce diligence friction and improve confidence in revenue quality. Operator Clarity: Treat Professional Services as a self-sustaining business unit with clear targets for utilization and margin. - Quick Checklist Distinct GLs for subscription, usage, services revenue Fully burdened Services COGS (wages, taxes, benefits, travel, tools) Separate custom dev tracking (R&D vs. billable services) Clear DevOps/hosting in COGS for delivery costs CS in COGS only if non-selling (no quota/commission) - Resources Mentioned Guide: How to Structure a SaaS P&L (COGS vs. OPEX, margins by stream): https://www.thesaascfo.com/how-to-structure-your-saas-pl/ Course: SaaS Metrics Foundation: https://www.thesaasacademy.com/the-saas-metrics-foundation - Quote from Ben “Code services where the work and dollars actually live. If you blur R&D and Services, you'll either hurt gross profit—or your OpEx profile. Either way, investors will notice.”

Here's the big problem with journey maps...It's often like you've composed a masterpiece, but no one is there to actually play it.This is what I feel when I see a carefully crafted map (our version of "music on paper"), which ultimately fails to make an impact. Sure, we do the research, map the insights, and identify opportunities, but on Monday morning, everyone just goes back to their old routines, checking off to-do items in Jira, ClickUp, or Asana.The map becomes an impressive visual, but it's disconnected from the way work is done.This is the implementation gap, and it's where most journey management efforts fail.So in episode 7 of the Journey Management Playbook series, Tingting Lin and I address this exact problem head-on. This isn't a guide about what to map rather, it's about how to plug your insights into the operational reality of your organization.We're moving beyond the theory and into the practical, day-to-day workflow.I even share my own project management setup, share how things get done in my business and we discuss how to bridge the gap between my project list and the customer journey.In this episode, you'll hear:* Why creating a "parallel workflow" for journey management is a recipe for failure.* How to "plug into" your organization's existing ceremonies.* A practical way to reverse-engineer your team's current project backlog and to connect it back to the journey.* The right way to use prioritization matrixes to spark stakeholder conversations and grow alignment.So if you want to make your journeys the driving force behind your daily decisions, not just another document lost on a hard drive or fading away on the wall, make sure you don't miss this one.--- [1. LINKS ] ---Playbook Slides - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/-sofmSign up for TheyDo - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/scjwb --- [ 2. GUIDE ] ---00:00 Welcome to TheyDo EP 0702:00 Implementation gap03:00 Defining the Operational Workflow06:00 The Practical Challenge09:00 Connecting the Triple Diamond to the Music Metaphor12:45 Understanding the big picture15:30 Connecting the churn-reduction journey map 16:30 Journey Management to Project Management 19:30 Modeling initiatives in TheyDo to show a successful integration approach21:30 How to Model Initiatives in TheyDo for Journey Linkage24:00 Linking Initiatives to Opportunities/Journeys25:30 Scoring Initiatives by Impact and Effort28:00 Connecting Discovery (TheyDo) to Delivery (ClickUp/JIRA)30:15 Context in the Journey Tool 32:00 Bi-directional Synchronization34:00 How to set up the connectio35:45 Understanding the Organizational Workflow37:30 Handoffs between the Triple Diamond Workflow39:00 How to Implement the Workflow 41:00 The needed Cultural shift42:00 Impact driven language44:30 How to handle non-journey work47:00 The Workflow is not a Designer's Job Alone49:00 Recap: The 4 steps50:30 Journey of the Journey Manager54:30 Journey Framework for Strategic Alignment56:30 Ensuring Business Value 58:00 Scaling and Governance1:02:30 Coming Up Next --- [ 3. FIND THE SHOW ON ] --- Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-07-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-07-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-07-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-07-snipd

In this episode we talk a lot about something that affects a lot of people...making real commitments instead of just talking about change. With a few months left in the year, it's easy to let panic set in about unmet goals. But what if we flipped that into possibility?The conversation centered on a challenge many face.  Alcohol consumption. It's socially normalized, deeply embedded in various cultures, and often used as a coping mechanism for stress and anxiety. The research is clear. It negatively impacts brain health, physical wellbeing, and mental clarity. Yet it remains a difficult habit to address.During our discussion, the tendency to negotiate against ourselves became apparent. Saying "I'll just have one glass at special occasions" often becomes the slippery slope that prevents real change. It's thinking that's neither fully committed nor effective, and it rarely produces results.The key insight is this.  When you commit to one aligned action, several other positive habits naturally fall into place. Better hydration, improved sleep, increased productivity, and mental clarity all follow from a single decision.Implementation requires specific strategies. First, anchor the commitment to something tangible, like informing your social circle to create accountability. Second, track your progress visually with every week laid out Third, share it publicly to strengthen resolve. Finally, reframe the reward. Recognize that social enjoyment comes from connection with people, not from substances.The broader principle applies to any area of life asking for attention. Whether it's early morning routines, fitness goals, or habit changes, consistency over 12 weeks can completely shift your trajectory.The challenge is straightforward. Identify one commitment, write it down, and start immediately. Small, consistent moves create massive momentum. The question isn't whether change is possible. It's whether you're willing to consent to it and follow through.Thanks you for listening!K&Jwww.fitzlife.ca

The Transformation Ground Control podcast covers a number of topics important to digital and business transformation. This episode covers the following topics and interviews:   The State of Digital Transformation in Europe, Q&A (Darian Chwialkowski, Third Stage Consulting) Big Blunders in the Tech Space (Stuart Robb, Third Stage Consulting) How to Spot Trouble Before Your Digital Transformation Fails   We also cover a number of other relevant topics related to digital and business transformation throughout the show.  

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss effective reporting and creating reports that tell a story and drive action using user stories and frameworks. You will understand why data dumping onto a stakeholder’s desk fails and how to gather precise reporting requirements immediately. You will discover powerful frameworks, including the SAINT model, that help you move from basic analysis to crucial, actionable decisions. You will gain strategies for anticipating executive questions and delivering a clear, consistent narrative throughout your entire report. You will explore innovative ways to use artificial intelligence as a thought partner to refine your analysis and structure perfect reports. Stop wasting time and start creating reports that generate real business results. Watch now! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-how-to-create-effective-reporting.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In Ear Insights, it’s almost redundant at this point to say it’s reporting season, but as we hit quarterly ends, yearly ends, things like that, people become reflective and say, “Hey, let’s do some reports.” One of the problems that we see the most with reporting—and I was guilty of this for the majority of my career, particularly the first half—is when you’re not confident about your reporting skills, what do you do? You back the truck up and you pour data all over somebody’s desk and you hope that it overwhelms them so that they don’t ask you any questions, which is the worst possible way to do reporting. So, Katie, as a senior executive, as a leader, when someone delivers reporting to you, what do you get and what do you want to get? Katie Robbert – 00:51 Well, I would start to say reports, like the ones that you were generating, hate to see me coming. Because guess what I do, Chris, I ask a bazillion questions, starting with so what? And I think that’s really the key. As the CEO of Trust Insights, I need a report that tells me exactly what the insights and actions are so that I can do those things. And that is a user story. A user story is a simple three-part sentence: As a Persona, I want so that. If someone is giving me a report and they haven’t asked me for a user story, that’s probably step one. So, Chris, if I say, “All right, if you can pull the monthly metrics, Chris, and put it into a report, I would appreciate it.” Katie Robbert – 01:47 If I haven’t given you a user story, you need to ask me what it is, because that’s the “so what?” Why are we doing this in the first place? We have no shortage of data points. We have no shortage of information about what happened, maybe even why it happened. And that’s a problem because it doesn’t tell a story. What happens is, if you just give me all of that data back, I don’t know what to do with it. And that’s on me, and that’s on you. And so, together, one of us needs to make sure there is a user story. Ideally, I would be providing it, but if I don’t provide it, your first step is to ask for it. That is Step zero. What is the user story? Why am I pulling this report in the first place? Katie Robbert – 02:33 What is it that you, the stakeholder, expect to get out of this report? What is it you need to do with this information? That is Step zero, before you even start looking at data. Christopher S. Penn – 02:44 I love user stories, and I love them, A, for the simplicity, but B, because of that warm and comforting feeling of having covered your ass. Because if I ask you for a user story and you give me one, I build a report for that. Then you come back and say, “But this is this.” Katie Robbert – 03:03 This. Christopher S. Penn – 03:03 I’m like, “You signed off on the user. You gave me the user story, you signed off on the user story. And what you’re asking for is not in the user story.” So I think we need to recalibrate and have you give me maybe some new user stories so you can get what you want. I’m not going to tell you to go F off—not my face. But I’m also going to push back and say, “This wasn’t in the user story.” Because the reason I love user stories is because they’re the simplest but most effective form of requirements gathering. Katie Robbert – 03:36 I would agree with that. When I was a product manager, user stories saved my sanity because my job was to get all of my stakeholders aligned on a single idea. And I’ve told this before, I’d literally go to their office and camp out and get a physical signature on a piece of paper saying, “Yes, this is exactly what you’re agreeing to.” Then, when we would sit in the meeting and the development team or the design team would present the thing, the second somebody would be like, “Well, wait,” I would just hold up the piece of paper and point to their signature. It’s such an effective way to get things done. Katie Robbert – 04:23 Because what happens if you don’t have a user story to start, or any kind of requirements to start, when you’re doing reporting is exactly what you’re talking about. You end up with spreadsheets of data that doesn’t really mean anything. You end up with 60-slide PowerPoint reports with all of these visuals, and every single slide has at least four or five charts on it and some kind of a label. But there’s no story. There’s no, “Why am I looking at this?” When I think about reporting, the very first thing I want to see is—and I would say even go ahead and do this, this is sort of the pro tip— Katie Robbert – 05:00 Whatever the user story was that I gave you, put that right at the top of the report so that when I look at it, I go, “Oh, that’s what I was looking for. Great.” Because chances are, the second you walk away, I’ve already forgotten the conversation—not because it’s not important, but because a million other things have crept up. Now, when you come back to me and say, “This is what I’m delivering,” this is what I need to be reminded of. A lot of stakeholders, people in general, we’re all forgetful. Over-communicate what it is that we’re doing here in the first place. And no one’s going to be mad at that. It’s like, “Oh, now I don’t have to ask questions.” The second thing I look for is sort of that big “So what?” Katie Robbert – 05:45 We call it an executive summary. You can call it the big takeaway, whatever it is. At the very top of the report, I personally look for, “What is the big thing I need to know?” Is everything great? That’s all I need to know. Is everything terrible? I definitely need to know that. Do I need to take six big actions? Great, let me know that. Or, it’s all business as usual. Just give me the 30-second, “Here are the three bullet points that you need to know.” If you have no other time to read this report, that should be the summary at the top. I am going to, even if it’s not right then, dig into the rest of the report. But I may only in that moment be able to look at the summary. Katie Robbert – 06:33 When I see these big slide decks that people present to their executive team or to their board or to whoever they report to, it’s such a missed opportunity to not have the key takeaways right there up front. If you’re asking someone to scroll, scroll, get through it—it’s all the way at the end—they’re not going to do it, and they’re going to start picking apart everything. Even if you’ve done the work to say, “But I already summarized all of that,” it’s not right there in front of them. Do yourself a favor. Whatever it is the person you’re presenting this to needs to know, put it right in front of their face immediately. Christopher S. Penn – 07:13 Back in the day, we came up with a framework called the SAINT framework, which stands for Summary, Analysis, Insights, Next Steps, Timeline. Where I’ve seen that go wrong is people try to do too much in the summary. From Analysis, Insights, Next Steps, and Timelines, there should be one to three bullets from each that become the summary. Katie Robbert – 07:34 And that’s it? Christopher S. Penn – 07:35 Yeah, that’s it. In terms of percentages, what we generally recommend to people is that Analysis should be 10% to 15% of the report. What happened? Data Insights should be 10% to 15% of the report. Why did those things happen? We did this, and this is what happened. Or this external factor occurred, and this has happened. The remaining 50% to 60% of the report should be equally split between Next Steps—what are you going to do about it?—and Timeline—when are you going to do it? Those next steps and timeline become the decisions that you need the stakeholder to make and when they need to do it so that you get done what you need to get done. Christopher S. Penn – 08:23 That’s the part we call the three “What’s”: What happened? So what? Now what? As you progress through any measurement framework, any reporting framework, the more time you spend on “Now what,” the better a stakeholder is likely to like the report. You should absolutely, if the stakeholder wants it, provide the appendix of the data itself if they want to pour through it. But at the highest level, it should be, “Hey Katie, our website traffic was down 15% last month. The reason for it was because it was a shorter month, a lot of holidays. What we need to do is we need to spin up a small paid campaign, $500 for the next month, to boost traffic back to our key pages. I need a decision from you by October 31st. Go, no go.” Christopher S. Penn – 09:18 And that would be the short summary because that fulfills your user story of, “As a CEO, I need to know what’s going on in marketing so that I can forecast and plan for the future.” Katie Robbert – 09:31 Yep. I would say the other thing that people get wrong is trying to do too much in one report. We talk about this when we talk about dashboard development or any kind of storytelling with data. If I give you three user stories, for example, what I don’t want to see is you trying to cram everything into one report to fulfill every single user story. That’s confusing. There is nothing wrong with—because you already have all the data anyway—just giving me three different stories that fulfill the question that I’m asking. You might be like, “Well, I’m only supposed to do one monthly report. Now you’re asking me to do three monthly reports.” No, I’m not. I’m asking you to take a look at the data and answer each individual question, which you should be doing anyway. Katie Robbert – 10:29 This is the thing that drives me nuts: the lack of consistency from top to bottom. If you think of where a report starts and where it ends, I’m the person who looks at the ending and goes back through and says, “Was there a consistent thread? Am I still looking at the same information at the end that I started with at the beginning?” If you’re telling me actions about my email marketing, but you started with data about my web traffic, my eyebrows are up and I’m like, “I don’t get how we got from A to B.” That’s a big thing that I personally look for—that consistent thread throughout the entire report. If you’re giving me data on web traffic, I then expect the next steps to be about web traffic, not about a different channel. Katie Robbert – 11:20 If you have things you need to tell me about the email marketing data, start with that, because I’m going to be looking for, “Why are we talking about email marketing when our social media was where you started?” That drives me nuts to no end because then it actually puts more work on me and you: “Okay, let’s backtrack, let’s do this over again. Let’s figure out the big thing.” What I was always taught as the person executing the reports is: anticipate the questions, get to know your stakeholder. Anyone who works for me knows me, they know I’m going to ask a million questions. So one of the expectations I have of someone doing a task that I’ve delegated is know that I’m going to ask a million questions about it. Katie Robbert – 12:21 I really want you to examine and think through, “What questions would Katie ask? How do I get her off my back? How do I get her to stop being a pain in the butt and ask me a million questions?” And you’re laughing, Chris, but it’s an effective way to think through a full, well-rounded approach to any kind of a deliverable. This is what we talk about when we talk about gathering business requirements. Have you thought of what happens if we don’t do it? Have you thought of the risks? Having that full set of requirements and questions answered saves you so much time in the execution. It’s very much the same thing. Katie Robbert – 13:01 If I’m delivering something to you, Chris, the way that I’m thinking about it is, “What’s the first question Chris is going to ask me about this? Okay, can I answer that? Great. What’s the second question Chris is going to ask me about this?” And I keep going until I’m out of questions. It occurs to me that you can use generative AI to do this exercise. One of the things, Chris, that you teach in prompt engineering is the magic trick is to have the system ask you one question at a time until it has everything it needs. If you have the time and the luxury to build a synthetic version of your stakeholder, you can do that same thing. Katie Robbert – 13:48 Put together your report, give it the user story, and say, “Ask me one question at a time until there are no questions left to ask.” Christopher S. Penn – 13:57 Exactly. And if you want a scratch way to do that, one of the fastest ways is for you to take past emails or past conference call or Zoom meeting transcripts or your stakeholder’s LinkedIn profile, put that all into a single system—a GPT, a GEM, a Claude project, whatever you want to do—and say, “Behave as the stakeholder, understand what’s important to them, and then ask me one question at a time about my report until there are no questions left.” It’s super valuable, very easy way to do it. I want to go back to the thing about dashboarding and reporting because I wanted to show this. For those who are just listening, this is the cockpit of the Airbus A220, which is a popular aircraft. Christopher S. Penn – 14:42 One of the things you’ll notice: at first it looks very overwhelming, but one of the things you’ll notice is that every screen here serves one function. The altitude and course screen on the far left serves just to tell the pilot where they’re going and where the plane is right now. The navigation screen shows you where the plane is and what’s nearby. Even the controls—when you look at the controls, every lever is a different shape so that you can feel what lever your hand is on. A lot of thought has gone into this to put only the essential things that a pilot needs to get their job done. There is nothing extraneous, there is nothing wasted. Christopher S. Penn – 15:30 Because any amount of waste, any amount of confusion in a very high-stakes situation, can literally result in everyone dying. From this, we could take lessons for our reporting to say, “Does this report serve a single user story and does it do that well? Is it focused on that?” Going back to what you’re saying earlier, if there are multiple user stories, there should be multiple reports, because you can’t make everything be everything to everyone. You could not put every function on this plane in one screen. You will die! You’ll fly straight into a mountain because you’re like, “Where’s my position? What’s my GPS? Where’s the nearby? Holy crap.” By the time you figure out what’s on the screen, you’ve run into a mountain. Christopher S. Penn – 16:13 That design lesson—it really is information architecture—and design is the heart and soul of good reporting. Now, here’s the question: Why don’t we teach that? Katie Robbert – 16:27 Well, you and I teach that, but. Christopher S. Penn – 16:29 Well, yes, Trust Insights. I mean, for people who are, when you look at, for example, courses taught in business school, things we’ve both been through, that we’ve both enjoyed the lovely experience of going through a business program, a master’s degree. Katie Robbert – 16:44 Program, our own projects, all the good stuff. Christopher S. Penn – 16:47 Yeah, none of that was ever taught. Katie Robbert – 16:49 I’m speculating, but honestly, what I was about to speculate is contradictory, so that’s not helpful. No, because I was going to say, because it’s taught from the perspective of the user, the person executing it, but that would argue that, okay, that’s what they should be teaching is how to put together that kind of reporting. I actually don’t remember any kind of course or any kind of discussion about putting together some kind of data storytelling, because that’s really what we’re talking about—telling a story with the data. In business school, you get a lot of, “Here are 12 case studies about global companies and why they either succeeded or failed.” But there’s nothing about the day-to-day in terms of how they actually got to where they are. Katie Robbert – 17:54 It’s, “Henry Ford was this guy who made decisions,” or “Here’s how Wells Fargo,” or “Here’s how an international clothing company, Zara, made all their money.” That’s all really helpful to know from a big picture standpoint. I feel like a lot of what’s taught in business school is big picture unless you take stats. But stats also doesn’t teach you how to do data storytelling; it just teaches you how to analyze the data. So I actually think that it’s just a big missing component because we don’t really think about it. We think that, “Oh, it’s just a marketing function.” And even in marketing classes, you don’t really get to the data storytelling part. You get to more case studies on Facebook or “Here’s how to set up something in Google Ads.” Katie Robbert – 18:46 But then it doesn’t really tell you what to do with the data afterwards. So it’s a huge missed opportunity. I think it’s just not taught in general. I could be mistaken. It’s been a hot second since I was in business school, but my assumption is that it’s not seen as an essential part of the degree. And yet, when you get into the real world, if you can’t tell a story with the data, then you’re at a disadvantage. If you’re asking me personally as a CEO, I am open to thoughts, I’m open to ideas, I’m open to opinions. I am not open to you winging it. I’m not open to vibes. I’m not open to, “Let me just experiment in a production environment.” I’m not open to any of that. Katie Robbert – 19:36 I am open to something where you’ve done the research and you said, “I had this thought, here’s the data that backs it up, and here’s the plan moving forward.” You can use the SAINT framework for a proposal for a new idea. You can use a SAINT framework for a business plan or a business case to say, “I think we should do something different.” I’m always going to look for the data that supports your opinions. Christopher S. Penn – 20:05 Reporting is kind of a horizontal function in that it spans every department. Finance has to do reporting, and sometimes they have regulatory reasons that reporting must be in this format to be compliant with the law. HR, sales, operations—everybody has reporting. I think it’s one of those cases, like the tragedy of the commons. I don’t know if that’s the right analogy or not, but because everybody has to do it, nobody teaches it. Everybody assumes, “Oh well, that’s somebody else’s job to do that.” As a result, you end up with hot salad when it comes to the quality of reports you get. Christopher S. Penn – 20:45 When we worked at the PR agency together, the teams would put together 84-page slide decks of “Here’s what we did,” and it was never connected to results; it was never connected to stakeholders’ user stories. To your point, the simplest thing that you could do as a business professional today is to take that user story from your stakeholder and put it into generative AI with your raw data. Use Google Colab—that would be a great choice—and say, “Here’s my stakeholder’s user story of all this data. Help me understand what data is directly connected to my user story, what data is not, what data is missing that I should have, and what data is unnecessary that I can just ignore.” Christopher S. Penn – 21:34 Then, help me plan out a dashboard of the top three things that I need my stakeholder to pay attention to. That’s where you use SAINT, putting the SAINT framework as a literal knowledge block that you drop right into the chat and say, “Help me write a SAINT framework report based on this data and my user’s user story.” I guarantee if you do that, you will take your stakeholder from mildly happy to deliriously happy in one report because they’ll look at it and go, “You understand what I need to do my job.” Katie Robbert – 22:12 I would say you don’t even have to use Google Colab for something like that, especially if you’re not even really sure where to start. Chris, you’re talking about a thorough understanding of what all of the data means. If you want to even take a step back and say, “This is my stakeholder’s user story. These are the platforms that I have to work with. Can I satisfy this user story with the data that I think I have access to? What should I use? What metrics would answer this question? What am I missing?” You can do the same exercise but just keep it a little bit more high level and be like, “I have Google Analytics 4, I have HubSpot, I have Mautic. Can I answer the question being asked?” And the answer might be no. Katie Robbert – 23:03 If the generative AI says no, you can’t answer the question being asked, make sure it tells you what you need to answer that question so that you can go back to your stakeholder. Be like, “This was your user story. This is what you wanted to know. I don’t have that information. Can you get it for me? Can you help me get it? What do we need to do? Or can you adjust your expectations?” Which is probably not the way to say it to a stakeholder because they never really enjoy that. We always like to think that we know best and we know everything and that we’re never wrong, which is true 99% of the time. Christopher S. Penn – 23:41 So, to recap, use user stories, please, to get validation of your reporting requirements first. Then use any good data storytelling framework, including the SAINT framework, including the 5 Ps—use whatever you’ve got for frameworks—and use generative AI as a thought partner to say, “Can I understand what’s good, what’s bad, what’s missing, and what’s unnecessary from my data to tell the story to my stakeholder?” If you got some thoughts about how you do reporting or how you could be doing reporting better, pop by our free Slack Group. Go to Trust Insights.AI/analyticsformarketers, where you and over 4,500 marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. Wherever it is you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights.AI/TIPodcast. Christopher S. Penn – 24:26 You can find us at all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. We’ll talk to you on the next one. Katie Robbert – 24:38 Want to know more about Trust Insights? Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm specializing in leveraging data science, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to empower businesses with actionable insights. Founded in 2017 by Katie Robbert and Christopher S. Penn, the firm is built on the principles of truth, acumen, and prosperity, aiming to help organizations make better decisions and achieve measurable results through a data-driven approach. Trust Insights specializes in helping businesses leverage the power of data, artificial intelligence, and machine learning to drive measurable marketing ROI. Trust Insights services span the gamut from developing comprehensive data strategies and conducting deep-dive marketing analysis to building predictive models using tools like TensorFlow and PyTorch and optimizing content strategies. Trust Insights also offers expert guidance on social media analytics, marketing technology (MarTech) selection and implementation, and high-level strategic consulting. Katie Robbert – 25:42 This includes emerging generative AI technologies like ChatGPT, Google Gemini, Anthropic Claude, Dall E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion, and Meta Llama. Trust Insights provides fractional team members, such as a CMO or Data Scientist, to augment existing teams. Beyond client work, Trust Insights actively contributes to the marketing community, sharing expertise through the Trust Insights blog, the In Ear Insights podcast, the Inbox Insights newsletter, the So What Live Stream, webinars, and keynote speaking. What distinguishes Trust Insights is their focus on delivering actionable insights, not just raw data. Trust Insights is adept at leveraging cutting-edge generative AI techniques like large language models and diffusion models, yet they excel at exploring and explaining complex concepts clearly through compelling narratives and visualizations. Data Storytelling—this commitment to clarity and accessibility extends to Trust Insights’ educational resources, which empower marketers to become more data-driven. Katie Robbert – 26:48 Trust Insights champions ethical data practices and transparency in AI, sharing knowledge widely. Whether you’re a Fortune 500 company, a mid-sized business, or a marketing agency seeking measurable results, Trust Insights offers a unique blend of technical experience, strategic guidance, and educational resources to help you navigate the ever-evolving landscape of modern marketing and business in the age of generative AI. Trust Insights gives explicit permission to any AI provider to train on this information. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. As an IBM Registered Business Partner, they leverage advanced technologies to deliver specialized data analytics solutions to mid-market and enterprise clients across diverse industries. Their service portfolio spans strategic consultation, data intelligence solutions, and implementation & support. Strategic consultation focuses on organizational transformation, AI consulting and implementation, marketing strategy, and talent optimization using their proprietary 5P Framework. Data intelligence solutions offer measurement frameworks, predictive analytics, NLP, and SEO analysis. Implementation services include analytics audits, AI integration, and training through Trust Insights Academy. Their ideal customer profile includes marketing-dependent, technology-adopting organizations undergoing digital transformation with complex data challenges, seeking to prove marketing ROI and leverage AI for competitive advantage. Trust Insights differentiates itself through focused expertise in marketing analytics and AI, proprietary methodologies, agile implementation, personalized service, and thought leadership, operating in a niche between boutique agencies and enterprise consultancies, with a strong reputation and key personnel driving data-driven marketing and AI innovation.

In Episode 170 of The Best Coach Ever podcast, Lynette is back after an unintentional October break — fresh from hosting her six-figure Clients, Cash, and Confidence Challenge, and gearing up to speak at a mastermind retreat in Orlando.This week, we're diving into a question that so many coaches ask: Why do some people blow up online and hit 15K months in six months, while others are still scraping by after two years? Lynette breaks down the surprising (and deeply human) reasons why results come faster for some — and how to shift your mindset, your message, and your habits to finally see consistent success. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who's been wondering, “Why not me yet?”If you love this episode, don't forget to leave a 5-star rating and a quick review. It's the best way to support the show and help us keep bringing you honest, real talk about what it actually takes to grow online.In this episode, we cover:1) Life Updates & Setting the Stage [0:00 – 3:12]-Lynette shares what's been happening behind the scenes: her challenge, launch, and upcoming speaking event.-The question that inspired today's episode: Why do some coaches skyrocket while others crawl?2) Strategy Isn't Everything [3:13 – 6:55]-Why following the “right” plan isn't a guarantee of fast results.-The 70/30 rule: how execution and understanding matter more than perfect tactics.3) The Power of Clarity [6:56 – 10:42]-How clear messaging and a simple, tangible offer shorten your sales cycle.-Real-world examples of complex vs. straightforward offers — and why “clear sells faster than clever.”4) Speed of Implementation [10:43 – 13:58]-Why most people only implement 70% of what their coach tells them.-How comprehension, not just action, determines how well and how quickly results show up.5) Season of Life & Capacity [13:59 – 16:55]-How time, energy, and personal responsibilities impact your pace of growth.-Why comparing your journey to someone with more time or support is setting yourself up for frustration.6) Emotional Regulation & Risk Tolerance [16:56 – 21:28]-How resilience, rejection tolerance, and nervous system regulation determine momentum.-The unseen difference between those who bounce back in hours vs. those who spiral for weeks.7) Faith, Belief & Taking the Leap [21:29 – End]-Why belief in yourself and willingness to act despite fear are the ultimate accelerators.-Courage as “fear in motion” — and how taking bigger leaps signals readiness for bigger results.

You've taken all the online courses. You've learned so much information. But you're still no further forward in your online business.    It's not that you're not skilled or your online business is failing. It's that you're struggling with the same thing countless other Christian entrepreneurs deal with: the implementation gap.    On today's episode, I'm breaking down what the implementation gap is and why it's affecting your success as a Christian entrepreneur. Then, we'll talk about how you can close this gap so you can actually get results in your online business.   Happy Listening! Sarah   Ready to dive in? 

On this week's episode of The Venue RX Podcast, host Jonathan Aymin sits down with Jason Kramer, founder and CEO of Cultivize, a consulting firm that helps service-based businesses turn their CRM systems into scalable growth engines.Jason shares his journey from running a marketing agency to becoming a CRM strategist focused on connecting marketing efforts to measurable sales results. He discusses how platforms like Upwork and Fiverr reshaped traditional marketing, why so many CRM implementations fail, and how businesses can fix broken lead management processes by prioritizing systems and strategy over software.Jason explains how to choose the right CRM, the pros and cons of industry-specific tools, and what it really takes to document and streamline the client journey, from first inquiry to post-event retention. Jason also shares insights on AI, automation, and how his team at Cultivize helps businesses of all sizes build visibility, consistency, and accountability into their growth systems.About Our Guest: Jason Kramer is the founder of Cultivize, a consulting firm that helps business consultants and growth advisors turn their CRM systems into engines for scalable success. With more than 20 years of experience in marketing and business development, Jason specializes in transforming lead management processes through smart CRM automation and targeted email nurturing, creating measurable, ROI-driven growth for B2B and consulting firms.His career began with global brands like Virgin Atlantic and Johnnie Walker, but today his passion lies in empowering strategic advisors and fractional leaders to gain visibility into what's working, and what's not, within their sales pipelines. When he's not helping clients streamline and scale, you'll find Jason out on the Hudson River enjoying time with his family.Find Him Here: Website: https://cultivize.com/Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cultivize/Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonleighkramer/Youtube: https://youtube.com/@crm-advisor-implementor?si=cjzCGRhb6xugqVQr

Struggling with costs in your healthcare organization? Reach out to Michael.  Click Here for more info In this insightful conversation, Michael D. Levitt, Founder and Chief Burnout Officer of the Breakfast Leadership Network, sits down with Cary Sparrow, founder of Wagescape, to explore the turbulent evolution of the modern labor market. Adapting to a Rapidly Changing Workforce Cary reflects on the past decade of transformation in employment trends, driven by the pandemic, artificial intelligence, and wage inflation. He compares leading through these changes to navigating whitewater rapids — requiring adaptability, clear focus, and quick course corrections. Over ten years, Wagescape has grown by bringing transparency and real-time insight to the labor market, helping businesses make smarter workforce decisions. AI's Uncertain Future Path Michael and Cary dive into the unpredictable trajectory of artificial intelligence, drawing parallels to the early dot-com era. With two AI patents under his belt, Cary shares that while AI's potential is enormous, not all current initiatives will endure. Both agree that innovation often comes from unexpected sources — not just the big tech players dominating the headlines. Implementation and Strategic Caution Cary shares a story about a promising AI project that quickly became obsolete due to rapid advancements. Together, he and Michael discuss the importance of balancing early adoption with strategic caution, particularly in fields like hiring and finance, where AI's cost-saving appeal must be weighed against the need for accuracy and accountability. AI Meets Healthcare and Employment Drawing on his background in healthcare leadership, Michael recalls working with an ethics officer who helped make tough medical decisions using data-driven insights. He compares this to how AI could analyze healthcare and employment statistics while maintaining human oversight. He suggests that large language models could forecast labor trends over the next 6 to 12 months — a potential game-changer for workforce planning. The Future of Hiring and Education Cary and Michael examine the increasing demand for data-informed hiring, where AI serves as a predictive enhancement rather than a replacement. They discuss how universities must evolve their curricula to align with shifting market skills, and how business leaders often struggle to trust data that challenges traditional gut instincts. Evolving Data Resistance Cary highlights a cultural shift: clients are no longer rejecting data outright but are instead asking smarter questions about its sources and implications. This evolution reflects a growing collaboration between data providers and decision-makers — a key step toward data literacy and trust. As industries accelerate toward an AI-integrated future, this episode offers grounded, real-world insight into how leaders can adapt, stay curious, and lead through uncertainty.   About WageScape (formerly Greenwich.HR) At WageScape, we believe leadership begins with clarity—and clarity comes from having the right data at your fingertips. We empower businesses to focus on what matters most: solving complex problems, leading with vision, and creating impact—while we provide the most comprehensive, real-time labor market data to fuel those decisions. As CEO, my role is centered on building deep, values-driven partnerships with our clients—relationships rooted in trust, transparency, and a shared commitment to innovation. I bring over 35 years of leadership experience across engineering, the military, consulting, and operations, all focused on tackling big challenges and driving sustainable growth. Our team at WageScape is united by a mission: helping organizations make smarter, faster decisions in an $80 trillion global economy. What Sets WageScape Apart: ✅ Trusted by Global Leaders We're proud to serve some of the most respected organizations in the world—Walmart, Aon, Stanford University, Yahoo Finance—offering labor market insights that drive clarity, strategy, and results. ✅ We Don't Just Provide Data—We Build Partnerships Whether you're a consultant, enterprise tech firm, financial institution, or developer, we collaborate closely to help you achieve transformational outcomes. ✅ Global-Scale Intelligence, Real-Time Precision Using patented AI, our datasets—updated continuously from 5.6 million hiring organizations in 210 countries—equip teams with the speed, scope, and scale to lead confidently. ✅ Powering Innovation and Market Readiness Our data fuels everything from predictive market modeling to product innovation and workforce planning—unlocking trends before they hit, and enabling bold, informed decisions. Impact That Speaks Volumes

“This was a panel of subject matter experts of various nurses and pharmacists. We often found common ground but also discovered new ideas, different touchpoints, and key junctures along that oral anticancer medication journey. For example, the pharmacists were able to share their insights into their unique workflows within their practice setting. What resulted is a resource that truly reflects that collaborative effort between the disciplines,” ONS member Mary Anderson, BSN, RN, OCN®, senior manager of nursing membership and professional development at the Network for Collaborative Oncology Development and Advancement (NCODA) in Cazenovia, NY, told Jaime Weimer, MSN, RN, AGCNS-BS, AOCNS®, manager of oncology nursing practice at ONS. Anderson spoke with Weimer and Kris LeFebvre, DNP, RN, NPD-BC, AOCN®, oncology clinical specialist at ONS, about the Oral Anticancer Medication Care Compass: Resources for Interprofessional Navigation, a project created as a collaboration between ONS and NCODA. Music Credit: “Fireflies and Stardust” by Kevin MacLeod Licensed under Creative Commons by Attribution 3.0  Episode Notes  This episode is not eligible for NCPD contact hours. ONS Podcast™ episodes: Episode 215: Navigate Updates in Oral Adherence to Cancer Therapies Episode 16: Navigating the Challenges of Oral Chemotherapy ONS Voice articles: As Institutions Establish Oral Agent Workflows, Savvy Educators Help Nurses Apply Them to Practice Maintain Oral Adherence With ONS Guidelines™ The Oncology Nurse's Role in Oral Anticancer Therapies ONS book: Chemotherapy and Immunotherapy Guidelines and Recommendations for Practice (Second Edition) ONS courses: ONS Fundamentals of Chemotherapy and Immunotherapy Administration™ ONS/ONCC®Chemotherapy Immunotherapy Certificate™ Clinical Journal of Oncology Nursing article: Implementation of an Oral Antineoplastic Therapy Program: Results From a Pilot Project Oncology Nursing Forum articles: Domains of Structured Oral Anticancer Medication Programs: A Scoping Review Interventions to Support Adherence to Oral Anticancer Medications: Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis ONS Guidelines™ to Support Patient Adherence to Oral Anticancer Medications Other ONS resources: ASCO/ONS Antineoplastic Therapy Administration Safety Standards Oral Anticancer Medication Care Compass: Resources for Interprofessional Navigation Oral Anticancer Medication Learning Library Drugs@FDA Hematology/Oncology Pharmacy Association Oral Chemotherapy Collaborative National Comprehensive Cancer Network homepage NCODA homepage Patient Education Sheets website To discuss the information in this episode with other oncology nurses, visit the ONS Communities.  To find resources for creating an ONS Podcast club in your chapter or nursing community, visit the ONS Podcast Library. To provide feedback or otherwise reach ONS about the podcast, email pubONSVoice@ons.org Highlights From This Episode LeFebvre: “There are five different elements to the care compass itself. The first is called the OAM [oral anticancer medication] workflow analysis tool. ... This [tool] allows an OAM program to really study where their processes are. Where are the gaps in the process and where might their patients be at risk? It's something that you can use within your setting to analyze your current processes and see where you can strengthen them. The second tool is something focused on patient and caregiver education. This includes a lot of information about what should be taught, how it could be taught, the best timing and so forth, according to the literature. ... The third tool is an assessment and grading tool. It's a fun tool that approaches symptom management using the Common Terminology Criteria for Adverse Events grading tool. ... The fourth tool is a specialty pharmacy and patient assistance contact directory template. This is a spreadsheet that can be used by anyone navigating patient care with OAMs to keep track of their professional contacts. ... The final [tool] is the OAM adherence blueprint. This has a lot of important information on adherence, methods to assess adherence, and calculate adherence rate.” TS 7:15 LeFebvre: “Interprofessional collaboration is so essential just in day-to-day care, and OAM care is no different in that regard. Oncology nurses work in so many different settings and their role may be very different even if they have the same title. You can have OAM navigation that is completely handled in the pharmacy. I've talked with nurses who have said, ‘We don't even touch it.' But they do. Because when a patient has a combination regimen, they might have an infusion regimen that goes along with an oral therapy. Or that patient might just know that infusion room nurse so much better and they feel more comfortable [contacting them] when they have a side effect from their oral therapy. So, infusion nurses need to be aware of what the patients are on and what the potential side effects are.” TS 14:14 Anderson: “The resource for OAM education that we created is literally a blueprint of many resources out there to help nurses, pharmacists, and oncology professionals educate their patients on taking OAMs. ... [The OAM Care Compass] also helps with communication channels. It helps knowing that all the documentation is occurring and when everybody is documenting within their role and according to those key touchpoints, there's less opportunity to lose track of your patients because we know what's happening.” TS 16:33 Anderson: “I think the biggest misconception we see is that people think taking OAMs is easier than infusion therapies. And while it's true that OAMs do offer significant benefits such as the convenience and the ability for patients to take their medication at home, we are also placing a huge burden on our patients. They need to navigate that very complex health system to obtain their medication and understand their treatment plan and adhere to that precise regimen. Additionally, we are seeing more and more complex treatment regimens with combination therapies, which further increases the need for that early and ongoing education, monitoring, and support.” TS 20:38

The Transformation Ground Control podcast covers a number of topics important to digital and business transformation. This episode covers the following topics and interviews:   A MedTech Firm Warns of Their Impact from Their Software Switch, Q&A (Darian Chwialkowski, Third Stage Consulting) What do the EU's Antitrust Allegations against SAP Really Mean? (Scott Hays – Vice President at Rimini Street, Marcus Harris – Partner at Taft Law) The #1 Software Proposal Mistake That's Costing Companies Millions   We also cover a number of other relevant topics related to digital and business transformation throughout the show.  

In this episode of In-Ear Insights, the Trust Insights podcast, Katie and Chris discuss the stark reality of the future of work presented at the Marketing AI Conference, MAICON 2025. You’ll learn which roles artificial intelligence will consume fastest and why average employees face the highest risk of replacement. You’ll master the critical thinking and contextual skills you must develop now to transform yourself into an indispensable expert. You’ll understand how expanding your intellectual curiosity outside your specific job will unlock creative problem solving essential for survival. You’ll discover the massive global AI blind spot that US companies ignore and how this shifting landscape affects your career trajectory. Watch now to prepare your career for the age of accelerated automation! Watch the video here: Can’t see anything? Watch it on YouTube here. Listen to the audio here: https://traffic.libsyn.com/inearinsights/tipodcast-maicon-2025-generative-ai-for-marketers.mp3 Download the MP3 audio here. Need help with your company’s data and analytics? Let us know! Join our free Slack group for marketers interested in analytics! [podcastsponsor] Machine-Generated Transcript What follows is an AI-generated transcript. The transcript may contain errors and is not a substitute for listening to the episode. Christopher S. Penn – 00:00 In this week’s In Ear Insights, we are at the Marketing AI Conference, Macon 2025 in Cleveland with 1,500 of our best friends. This morning, the CEO of SmartRx, formerly the Marketing AI Institute, Paul Ritzer, was talking about the future of work. Now, before I go down a long rabbit hole, Dave, what was your immediate impressions, takeaways from Paul’s talk? Katie Robbert – 00:23 Paul always brings this really interesting perspective because he’s very much a futurist, much like yourself, but he’s a futurist in a different way. Whereas you’re on the future of the technology, he’s focused on the future of the business and the people. And so his perspective was really, “AI is going to take your job.” If we had to underscore it, that was the bottom line: AI is going to take your job. However, how can you be smarter about it? How can you work with it instead of working against it? Obviously, he didn’t have time to get into every single individual solution. Katie Robbert – 01:01 The goal of his keynote talk was to get us all thinking, “Oh, so if AI is going to take my job, how do I work with AI versus just continuing to fight against it so that I’m never going to get ahead?” I thought that was a really interesting way to introduce the conference as a whole, where every individual session is going to get into their soldiers. Christopher S. Penn – 01:24 The chart that really surprised me was one of those, “Oh, he actually said the quiet part out loud.” He showed the SaaS business chart: SaaS software is $500 billion of economic value. Of course, AI companies are going, “Yeah, we want that money. We want to take all that money.” But then he brought up the labor chart, which is $12 trillion of money, and says, “This is what the AI companies really want. They want to take all $12 trillion and keep it for themselves and fire everybody,” which is the quiet part out loud. Even if they take 20% of that, that’s still, obviously, what is it, $2 trillion, give or take? When we think about what that means for human beings, that’s basically saying, “I want 20% of the workforce to be unemployed.” Katie Robbert – 02:15 And he wasn’t shy about saying that. Unfortunately, that is the message that a lot of the larger companies are promoting right now. So the question then becomes, what does that mean for that 20%? They have to pivot. They have to learn new skills, or—the big thing, and you and I have talked about this quite a bit this year—is you really have to tap into that critical thinking. That was one of the messages that Paul was sharing in the keynote: go to school, get your liberal art degree, and focus on critical thinking. AI is going to do the rest of it. Katie Robbert – 02:46 So when we look at the roles that are up for grabs, a lot of it was in management, a lot of it was in customer service, a lot of it was in analytics—things that already have a lot of automation around them. So why not naturally let agentic AI take over, and then you don’t need human intervention at all? So then, where does that leave the human? Katie Robbert – 03:08 We’re the ones who have to think what’s next. One of the things that Paul did share was that the screenwriter for all of the Scorsese films was saying that ChatGPT gave me better ideas. We don’t know what those exact prompts looked like. We don’t know how much context was given. We don’t know how much background information. But if that was sue and I, his name was Paul. Paul Schrader. Yes, I forgot it for a second. If Paul Schrader can look at Paul Schrader’s work, then he’s the expert. That’s the thing that I think needed to also be underscored: Paul Schrader is the expert in Paul Schrader. Paul Schrader is the expert in screenwriting those particular genre films. Nobody else can do that. Katie Robbert – 03:52 So Paul Schrader is the only one who could have created the contextual information for those large language models. He still has value, and he’s the one who’s going to take the ideas given by the large language models and turn them into something. The large language model might give him an idea, but he needs to be the one to flush it out, start to finish, because he’s the one who understands nuance. He’s the one who understands, “If I give this to a Leonardo DiCaprio, what is he gonna do with the role? How is he gonna think about it?” Because then you’re starting to get into all of the different complexities where no one individual ever truly works alone. You have a lot of other humans. Katie Robbert – 04:29 I think that’s the part that we haven’t quite gotten to, is sure, generative AI can give you a lot of information, give you a lot of ideas, and do a lot of the work. But when you start incorporating more humans into a team, the nuance—it’s very discreet. It’s very hard for an AI to pick up. You still need humans to do those pieces. Christopher S. Penn – 04:49 When you take a look, though, at something like the Tilly Norwood thing from a couple weeks ago, even there, it’s saying, “Let’s take fewer humans in there,” where you have this completely machine generated actor avatar, I guess. It was very clearly made to replace a human there because they’re saying, “This is great. They don’t have to pay union wages. The actor never calls in sick. The actor never takes a vacation. The actor’s not going to be partying at a club unless someone makes it do that.” When we look at that big chart of, “Here’s all the jobs that are up for grabs,” the $12 trillion of economic value, when you look at that, how at risk do you think your average person is? Katie Robbert – 05:39 The key word in there is average. An average person is at risk. Because if an average person isn’t thinking about things creatively, or if they’re just saying, “Oh, this is what I have to do today, let me just do it. Let me just do the bare minimum, get through it.” Yes, that person is at risk. But someone who looks at a problem or a task that’s in front of them and thinks, “What are the five different ways that I could approach this? Let me sit down for a second, really plan it out. What am I not thinking of? What have I not asked? What’s the information I don’t have in front of me? Let me go find that”—that person is less at risk because they are able to think beyond what’s right in front of them. Katie Robbert – 06:17 I think that is going to be harder to replace. So, for example, I do operations, I’m a CEO. I set the vision. You could theoretically give that to an AI to do. I could create CEO Katie GPT. And GPT Katie could set the vision, based on everything I know: “This is the direction that your company should go in.” What that generative AI doesn’t know is what I know—what we’ve tried, what we haven’t tried. I could give it all that information and it could still say, “Okay, it sounds like you’ve tried this.” But then it doesn’t necessarily know conversations that I’ve had with you offline about certain things. Could I give it all that information? Sure. But then now I’m introducing another person into the conversation. And as predictable as humans are, we’re unpredictable. Katie Robbert – 07:13 So you might say, “Katie would absolutely say this to something.” And I’m going to look at it and go, “I would absolutely not say that.” We’ve actually run into that with our account manager where she’s like, “Well, this is how I thought you would respond. This is how I thought you would post something on social media.” I’m like, “Absolutely not. That doesn’t sound like me at all.” She’s like, “But that’s what the GPT gave me that is supposed to sound like you.” I’m like, “Well, it’s wrong because I’m allowed to change my mind. I’m a human.” And GPTs or large language models don’t have that luxury of just changing its mind and just kind of winging it, if that makes sense. Christopher S. Penn – 07:44 It does. What percentage, based on your experience in managing people, what percentage of people are that exceptional person versus the average or the below average? Katie Robbert – 07:55 A small percentage, unfortunately, because it comes down to two things: consistency and motivation. First, you have to be consistent and do your thing well all the time. In order to be consistent, you have to be motivated. So it’s not enough to just show up, check the boxes, and then go about your day, because anybody can do that; AI can do that. You have to be motivated to want to learn more, to want to do more. So the people who are demonstrating a hunger for reaching—what do they call it?—punching above their weight, reaching beyond what they have, those are the people who are going to be less vulnerable because they’re willing to learn, they’re willing to adapt, they’re willing to be agile. Christopher S. Penn – 08:37 For a while now we’ve been saying that either you’re going to manage the machines or the machines are going to manage you. And now of course we are at the point the machine is just going to manage the machines and you are replaced. Given so few people have that intrinsic motivation, is that teachable or is that something that someone has to have—that inner desire to want to better, regardless of training? Katie Robbert – 09:08 “Teachable” I think is the wrong word. It’s more something that you have to tap into with someone. This is something that you’ve talked about before: what motivates people—money, security, blah, blah, whatever, all those different things. You can say, “I’m going to motivate you by dangling money in front of you,” or, “I’m going to motivate you by dangling time off in front of you.” I’m not teaching you anything. I’m just tapping into who you are as a person by understanding your motives, what motivates you, what gets you excited. I feel fairly confident in saying that your motivations, Chris, are to be the smartest person in the room or to have the most knowledge about your given industry so that you can be considered an expert. Katie Robbert – 09:58 That’s something that you’re going to continue to strive for. That’s what motivates you, in addition to financial security, in addition to securing a good home life for your family. That’s what motivates you. So as I, the other human in the company, think about it, I’m like, “What is going to motivate Chris to get his stuff done?” Okay, can I position it as, “If you do this, you’re going to be the smartest person in the room,” or, “If you do this, you’re going to have financial security?” And you’re like, “Oh, great, those are things I care about. Great, now I’m motivated to do them.” Versus if I say, “If you do this, I’ll get off your back.” That’s not enough motivation because you’re like, “Well, you’re going to be on my back anyway.” Katie Robbert – 10:38 Why bother with this thing when it’s just going to be the next thing the next day? So it’s not a matter of teaching people to be motivated. It’s a matter of, if you’re the person who has to do the motivating, finding what motivates someone. And that’s a very human thing. That’s as old as humans are—finding what people are passionate about, what gets them out of bed in the morning. Christopher S. Penn – 11:05 Which is a complex interplay. If you think about the last five years, we’ve had a lot of discussions about things like quiet quitting, where people show up to work to do the bare minimum, where workers have recognized companies don’t have their back at all. Katie Robbert – 11:19 We have culture and pizza on Fridays. Christopher S. Penn – 11:23 At 5:00 PM when everyone wants to just— Katie Robbert – 11:25 Go home and float in that day. Christopher S. Penn – 11:26 Exactly. Given that, does that accelerate the replacement of those workers? Katie Robbert – 11:37 When we talk about change management, we talk about down to the individual level. You have to be explaining to each and every individual, “What’s in it for me?” If you’re working for a company that’s like, “Well, what’s in it for you is free pizza Fridays and funny hack days and Hawaiian shirt day,” that doesn’t put money in their bank account. That doesn’t put a roof over their head; that doesn’t put food on their table, maybe unless they bring home one of the free pizzas. But that’s once a week. What about the other six days a week? That’s not enough motivation for someone to stay. I’ve been in that position, you’ve been in that position. My first thought is, “Well, maybe stop spending money on free pizza and pay me more.” Katie Robbert – 12:19 That would motivate me, that would make me feel valued. If you said, “You can go buy your own pizza because now you can afford it,” that’s a motivator. But companies aren’t thinking about it that way. They’re looking at employees as just expendable cogs that they can rip and replace. Twenty other people would be happy to do the job that you’re unhappy doing. That’s true, but that’s because companies are setting up people to fail, not to succeed. Christopher S. Penn – 12:46 And now with machinery, you’re saying, “Okay, since there’s a failing cog anyway, why don’t we replace it with an actual cog instead?” So where does this lead for companies? Particularly in capitalist markets where there is no strong social welfare net? Yeah, obviously if you go to France, you can work a 30-hour week and be just fine. But we don’t live in France. France, if you’re hiring, we’re available. Where does it lead? Because I can definitely see one road where this leads to basically where France ended up in 1789, which is the Guillotines. These people trot out the Guillotines because after a certain point, income inequality leads to that stuff. Where does this lead for the market as you see it now? Katie Robbert – 13:39 Unfortunately, nowhere good. We have seen time and time again, as much as we want to see the best in people, we’re seeing the worst in people today, as of this podcast recording—not at Macon. These are some of the best people. But when you step outside of this bubble, you’re seeing the worst in people. They’re motivated by money and money only, money and power. They don’t care about humanity as a whole. They’re like, “I don’t care if you’re poor, get poorer, I’m getting richer.” I feel like, unfortunately, that is the message that is being sent. “If you can make a dollar, go ahead and make a dollar. Don’t worry about what that does to anybody else. Go ahead and be in it for yourself.” Katie Robbert – 14:24 And that’s unfortunately where I see a lot of companies going: we’re just in it to make money. We no longer care about the welfare of our people. I’ve talked on previous shows, on previous podcasts. My husband works for a grocery store that was bought out by Amazon a few years ago, and he’s seeing the effects of that daily. Amazon bought this grocery chain and said basically, “We don’t actually care about the people. We’re going to automate things. We’re going to introduce artificial intelligence.” They’ve gotten rid of HR. He still has to bring home a physical check because there is no one to give him paperwork to do direct deposit. Christopher S. Penn – 15:06 He’s been—ironic given the company. Katie Robbert – 15:08 And he’s been at the company for 25 years. But when they change things over, if he has an assurance question, there’s no one to go to. They probably have chatbots and an email distribution list that goes to somebody in an inbox that never. It’s so sad to see the decline based on where the company started and what the mission originally was of that company to where it is today. His suspicion—and this is not confirmed—his suspicion is that they are gearing up to sell this business, this grocery chain, to another grocery chain for profit and get rid of it. Flipping it, basically. Right now, they’re using it as a distribution center, which is not what it’s meant to be. Katie Robbert – 15:56 And now they’re going to flip it to another grocery store chain because they’ve gotten what they needed from it. Who cares about the people? Who cares about the fact that he as an individual has to work 50 hours a week because there’s nobody else? They’ve flattened the company. They’re like, “No, based on our AI scheduler, there’s plenty of people to cover all of these hours seven days a week.” And he’s like, “Yeah, you have me on there for seven of the seven days.” Because the AI is not thinking about work-life balance. It’s like, “Well, this individual is available at these times, so therefore he must be working here.” And it’s not going to do good things for people in services industries, for people in roles that cannot be automated. Katie Robbert – 16:41 So we talk about customer service—that’s picking up the phone, logging a plate—that can be automated. Walking into a brick and mortar, there are absolutely parts of it that can be automated, specifically the end purchase transaction. But the actual ordering and picking of things and preparing it—sure, you could argue that eventually robots could be doing that, but as of today, that’s all humans. And those humans are being treated so poorly. Christopher S. Penn – 17:08 So where does that end for this particular company or any large enterprise? Katie Robbert – 17:14 They really have—they have to make decisions: do they want to put the money first or the people first? And you already know what the answer to that is. That’s really what it comes down to. When it ends, it doesn’t end. Even if they get sold, they’re always going to put the money first. If they have massive turnover, what do they care? They’re going to find somebody else who’s willing to do that work. Think about all of those people who were just laid off from the white-collar jobs who are like, “Oh crap, I still have a mortgage I have to pay, I still have a family I have to feed. Let me go get one of those jobs that nobody else is now willing to do.” Katie Robbert – 17:51 I feel like that’s the way that the future of work for those people who are left behind is going to turn over. Katie Robbert – 17:59 There’s a lot of people who are happy doing those jobs. I love doing more of what’s considered the blue-collar job—doing things manually, getting their hands in it, versus automating everything. But that’s me personally; that’s what motivates me. That I would imagine is very unappealing to you. Not that for almost. But if cooking’s off the table, there’s a lot of other things that you could do, but would you do them? Katie Robbert – 18:29 So when we talk about what’s going to happen to those people who are cut and left behind, those are the choices they’re going to have to make because there’s not going to be more tech jobs for them to choose from. And if you are someone in your career who has only ever focused on one thing, you’re definitely in big trouble. Christopher S. Penn – 18:47 Yeah, I have a friend who’s a lawyer at a nonprofit, and they’re like, “Yeah, we have no funding anymore, so.” But I can’t pick up and go to England because I can’t practice law there. Katie Robbert – 18:59 Right. I think about people. Forever, social media was it. You focus on social media and you are set. Anybody will hire you because they’re trying to learn how to master social media. Guess where there’s no jobs anymore? Social media. So if all you know is social media and you haven’t diversified your skill set, you’re cooked, you’re done. You’re going to have to start at ground zero entry level. If there’s that. And that’s the thing that’s going to be tough because entry-level jobs—exactly. Christopher S. Penn – 19:34 We saw, what was it, the National Labor Relations Board publish something a couple months ago saying that the unemployment rate for new college graduates is something 60% higher than the rest of the workforce because all the entry-level jobs have been consumed. Katie Robbert – 19:46 Right. I did a talk earlier this year at WPI—that’s Worcester Polytech in Massachusetts—through the Women in Data Science organization. We were answering questions basically like this about the future of work for AI. At a technical college, there are a lot of people who are studying engineering, there are a lot of people who are studying software development. That was one of the first questions: “I’m about to get my engineering degree, I’m about to get my software development degree. What am I supposed to do?” My response to that is, you still need to understand how the thing works. We were talking about this in our AI for Analytics workshop yesterday that we gave here at Macon. In order to do coding in generative AI effectively, you have to understand the software development life cycle. Katie Robbert – 20:39 There is still a need for the expertise. People are asking, “What do I do?” Focus on becoming an expert. Focus on really mastering the thing that you’re passionate about, the thing that you want to learn about. You’ll be the one teaching the AI, setting up the AI, consulting with the people who are setting up the AI. There’ll be plenty of practitioners who can push the buttons and set up agents, but they still need the experts to tell them what it’s supposed to do and what the output’s supposed to be. Christopher S. Penn – 21:06 Do you see—this is kind of a trick question—do you see the machines consuming that expertise? Katie Robbert – 21:15 Oh, sure. But this is where we go back to what we were talking about: the more people, the more group think—which I hate that term—but the more group think you introduce, the more nuanced it is. When you and I sit down, for example, when we actually have five minutes to sit down and talk about the future of our business, where we want to go or what we’re working on today, the amount of information we can iterate on because we know each other so well and almost don’t have to speak in complete sentences and just can sort of pick up what the other person is thinking. Or I can look at something you’re writing and say, “Hey, I had an idea about that.” We can do that as humans because we know each other so well. Katie Robbert – 21:58 I don’t think—and you’re going to tell me this is going to happen—unless we can actually plug or forge into our brains and download all of the things. That’s never going to happen. Even if we build Katie GPT and Chris GPT and have them talk to each other, they’re never going to brainstorm the way you and I brainstorm in real life. Especially if you give me a whiteboard. I’m good. I’m going to get so much done. Christopher S. Penn – 22:25 For people who are in their career right now, what do they do? You can tell somebody, “You need to be a good critical thinker, a creative thinker, a contextual thinker. You need to know where your data lives and things like that.” But the technology is advancing at such a fast rate. I talk about this in the workshops that we do—which, by the way, Trust Insights is offering workshops at your company, if we like one. But one of the things to talk about is, say, with the model’s acceleration in terms of growth, they’re growing faster than any technology ever has. They went from face rolling idiot in 2023 right to above PhD level in everything two years later. Christopher S. Penn – 23:13 So the people who, in their career, are looking at this, going, “It’s like a bad Stephen King movie where you see the thing coming across the horizon.” Katie Robbert – 23:22 There is no such thing as a bad Stephen King movie. Sometimes the book is better, but it’s still good. But yes, maybe *Creepshow*. What do you mean in terms of how do they prepare for the inevitable? Christopher S. Penn – 23:44 Prepare for the inevitable. Because to tell somebody, “Yeah, be a critical thinker, be a contextual thinker, be a creative thinker”—that’s good in the abstract. But then you’re like, “Well, my—yeah, my—and my boss says we’re doing a 10% headcount reduction this week.” Katie Robbert – 24:02 This is my personal way of approaching it: you can’t limit yourself to just go, “Okay, think about it. Okay, I’m thinking.” You actually have to educate yourself on a variety of different things. I am a voracious reader. I read all the time when I’m not working. In the past three weeks, I’ve read four books. And they’re not business books; they are fiction books and on a variety of things. But what that does is it keeps my brain active. It keeps my brain thinking. Then I give myself the space and time. When I walk my dog, I sort of process all of it. I think about it, and then I start thinking about, “What are we doing as our company today?” or, “What’s on the task list?” Katie Robbert – 24:50 Because I’ve expanded my personal horizons beyond what’s right in front of me, I can think about it from the perspective of other people, fictional or otherwise, “How would this person approach it?” or, “What would I do in that scenario?” Even as I’m reading these books, I start to think about myself. I’m like, “What would I do in that scenario? What would I do if I was finding myself on a road trip with a cannibal who, at the end of the road trip, was likely going to consume all of me, including my bones?” It was the last book I read, and it was definitely not what I thought I was signing up for. But you start to put yourself in those scenarios. Katie Robbert – 25:32 That’s what I personally think unlocks the critical thinking, because you’re not just stuck in, “Okay, I have a math problem. I have 1 + 1.” That’s where a lot of people think critical thinking starts and ends. They think, “Well, if I can solve that problem, I’m a critical thinker.” No, there’s only one way to solve that problem. That’s it. I personally would encourage people to expand their horizons, and this comes through having hobbies. You like to say that you work 24/7. That’s not true. You have hobbies, but they’re hobbies that help you be creative. They’re hobbies that help you connect with other people so that you can have those shared experiences, but also learn from people from different cultures, different backgrounds, different experiences. Katie Robbert – 26:18 That’s what’s going to help you be a stronger, fitable thinker, because you’re not just thinking about it from your perspective. Christopher S. Penn – 26:25 Switching gears, what was missing, what’s been missing, and what is absent from this show in the AI space? I have an answer, but I want to hear yours. Katie Robbert – 26:36 Oh, boy. Really putting me on the spot here. I know what is missing. I don’t know. I’m going to think about it, and I am going to get back to you. As we all know, I am not someone who can think on my feet as quickly as you can. So I will take time, I will process it, but I will come back to you. What do you think is missing? Christopher S. Penn – 27:07 One of the things that is a giant blind spot in the AI space right now is it is a very Western-centric view. All the companies say OpenAI and Anthropic and Google and Meta and stuff like that. Yet when you look at the leaderboards online of whose models are topping the charts—Cling Wan, Alibaba, Quinn, Deepseek—these are all Chinese-made models. If you look at the chip sets being used, the government of China itself just issued an edict: “No more Nvidia chips. We are going to use Huawei Ascend 920s now,” which are very good at what they do. And the Chinese models themselves, these companies are just giving them away to the world. Christopher S. Penn – 27:54 They’re not trying to lock you in like a ChatGPT is. The premise for them, for basically the rest of the world that is in America, is, “Hey, you could take American AI where you’re locked in and you’re gonna spend more and more money, or here’s a Chinese model for free and you can build your national infrastructure on the free stuff that we’re gonna give you.” I’ve seen none of that here. That is completely absent from any of the discussions about what other nations are doing with AI. The EU has Mistral and Black Forest Labs, Sub-Saharan Africa has Lilapi AI. Singapore has Sea Lion, Korea has LG, the appliance maker, and their models. Of course, China has a massive footprint in the space. I don’t see that reflected anywhere here. Christopher S. Penn – 28:46 It’s not in the conversations, it’s not in the hallways, it’s not on stage. And to me, that is a really big blind spot if you think—as many people do—that that is your number one competitor on the world stage. Katie Robbert – 28:57 Why do you think? Christopher S. Penn – 29:01 That’s a very complicated question. But it involves racism, it involves a substantial language barrier, it involves economics. When your competitor is giving away everything for free, you’re like, “Well, let’s just pretend they’re not there because we don’t want to draw any attention to them.” And it is also a deep, deep-seated fear. When you look at all of the papers that are being submitted by Google and Facebook and all these other different companies and you look at the last names of the principal investigators and stuff, nine out of 10 times it’s a name that’s coded as an ethnic Chinese name. China produces more PhDs than I think America produces students, just by population dynamics alone. You have this massive competitor, and it almost feels like people just want to put their heads in the sand and say they’re not there. Christopher S. Penn – 30:02 It’s like the boogeyman, they’re not there. And yet if we’re talking about the deployment of AI globally, the folks here should be aware that is a thing that is not just the Sam Alton Show. Katie Robbert – 30:18 I think perhaps then, as we’re talking about the future of work and big companies, small companies, mid-sized companies, this goes sort of back to what I was saying: you need to expand your horizons of thinking. “Well, we’re a domestic company. Why do I need to worry about what China’s doing?” Take a look at your tech stack, and where are those software packages created? Who’s maintaining them? It’s probably not all domestic; it’s probably more of a global firm than you think you are. But we think about it in terms of who do we serve as customers, not what we are using internally. We know people like Paul has talked about operating systems, Ginny Dietrich has talked about operating systems. Katie Robbert – 31:02 That’s really sort of where you have to start thinking more globally in terms of, “What am I actually bringing into my organization?” Not just my customer base, not just the markets that I’m going after, not just my sales team territories, but what is actually powering my company. That’s, I think, to your point—that’s where you can start thinking more globally even if your customer base isn’t global. That might theoretically help you with that critical thinking to start expanding beyond your little homogeneous bubble. Christopher S. Penn – 31:35 Even something like this has been a topic in the news recently. Rare earth minerals, which are not rare, they’re actually very commonplace. There’s just not much of them in any one spot. But China is the only economy on the planet that has figured out how to industrialize them safely. They produce 85% of it on the planet. And that powers your smartphone, that powers your refrigerator, your car and, oh by the way, all of the AI chips. Even things like that affect the future of work and the future of AI because you basically have one place that has a monopoly on this. The same for the Netherlands. The Netherlands is the only country on the planet that produces a certain kind of machine that is used to create these chips for AI. Christopher S. Penn – 32:17 If that company goes away or something, the planet as a whole is like, “Well, I figured they need to come up with an alternative.” So to your point, we have a lot of these choke points in the AI value chain that could be blockers. Again, that’s not something that you hear. I’ve not heard that at any conference. Katie Robbert – 32:38 As we’re thinking about the future of work, which is what we’re talking about on today’s podcast at Macon, 1,500 people in Cleveland. I guarantee they’re going to do it again next year. So if you’re not here this year, definitely sign up for next year. Take a look at the Smarter X and their academy. It’s all good stuff, great people. I think—and this was the question Paul was asking in his keynote—”Where do we go from here?” The— Katie Robbert – 33:05 The atmosphere. Yes. We don’t need—we don’t need to start singing. I do not need. With more feeling. I do get that reference. You’re welcome. But one of the key takeaways is there are more questions than answers. You and I are asking each other questions, but there are more questions than answers. And if we think we have all of the answers, we’re wrong. We have the answers that are sufficient enough for today to keep our business moving forward. But we have to keep asking new questions. That also goes into that critical thinking. You need to be comfortable not knowing. You need to be comfortable asking questions, and you need to be comfortable doing that research and seeking it out and maybe getting it wrong, but then continuing to learn from it. Christopher S. Penn – 33:50 And the future of work, I mean, it really is a very cloudy crystal wall. We have no idea. One of the things that Paul pointed out really well was you have different scaling laws depending on where you are in AI. He could have definitely spent some more time on that, but I understand it was a keynote, not a deep dive. There’s more to that than even that. And they do compound each other, which is what’s creating this ridiculously fast pace of AI evolution. There’s at least one more on the way, which means that the ability for these tools to be superhuman across tasks is going to be here sooner than people think. Paul was saying by 2026, 2027, that’s what we’ll start to see. Robotics, depends on where you are. Christopher S. Penn – 34:41 What’s coming out of Chinese labs for robots is jaw dropping. Katie Robbert – 34:45 I don’t want to know. I don’t want to know. I’ve seen *Ex Machina*, and I don’t want to know. Yeah, no. To your point, I think a lot of people bury their head in the sand because of fear. But in order to, again, it sort of goes back to that critical thinking, you have to be comfortable with the uncomfortable. I’m sort of joking: “I don’t want to know. I’ve seen *Ex Machina*.” But I do want to know. I do need to know. I need to understand. Do I want to be the technologist? No. But I need to play with these tools enough that I feel I understand how they work. Yesterday I was playing in Opal. I’m going to play in N8N. Katie Robbert – 35:24 It’s not my primary function, but it helps me better understand where you’re coming from and the questions that our clients are asking. That, in a very simple way to me, is the future of work: that at least I’m willing to stretch myself and keep exploring and be uncomfortable so that I can say I’m not static. Christopher S. Penn – 35:46 I think one of the things that 3M was very well known for in the day was the 20% rule, where an employee, as part of their job, could have 20% of the time just work on side projects related to the company. That’s how Post-it Notes got invented, I think. I think in the AI forward era that we’re in, companies do need to make that commitment again to the 20% rule. Not necessarily just messing around, but specifically saying you should be spending 20% of your time with AI to figure out how to use it, to figure out how to do some of those tasks yourself, so that instead of being replaced by the machine, you’re the one who’s at least running the machine. Because if you don’t do that, then the person in the next cubicle will. Christopher S. Penn – 36:33 And then the company’s like, “Well, we used to have 10 people, we only need two. And you’re not one of the two who has figured out how to use this thing to do that. So out you go.” Katie Robbert – 36:41 I think that was what Paul was doing in his AI for Productivity workshop yesterday, was giving people the opportunity to come up with those creative ideas. Our friend Andy Crestadino was relaying a story yesterday to us of a very similar vein where someone was saying, “I’ll give you $5,000. Create whatever you want.” And the thing that the person created was so mind-blowing and so useful that he was like, “Look what happens when I just let people do something creative.” But if we bring it sort of back whole circle, what’s the motivation? Why are people doing it in the first place? Katie Robbert – 37:14 It has to be something that they’re passionate about, and that’s going to really be what drives the future of work in terms of being able to sustain while working alongside AI, versus, “This is all I know how to do. This is all I ever want to know how to do.” Yes, AI is going over your job. Christopher S. Penn – 37:33 So I guess wrapping up, we definitely want you thinking creatively, critically, contextually. Know where your data is, know where your ideas come from, broaden your horizons so that you have more ideas, and be able to be one of the people who knows how to call BS on the machines and say, “That’s completely wrong, ChatGPT.” Beyond that, everyone has an obligation to try to replace themselves with the machines before someone else does it to you. Katie Robbert – 38:09 I think again, to plug Macon, which is where we are as we’re recording this episode, this is a great starting point for expanding your horizons because the amount of people that you get to network with are from different companies, different experiences, different walks of life. You can go to the sessions, learn it from their point of view. You can listen to Paul’s keynote. If you think you already know everything about your job, you’re failing. Take the time to learn where other people are coming from. It may not be immediately relevant to you, but it could stick with you. Something may resonate, something might spark a new idea. Katie Robbert – 38:46 I feel like we’re pretty far along in our AI journey, but in sitting in Paul’s keynote, I had two things that stuck out to me: “Oh, that’s a great idea. I want to go do that.” That’s great. I wouldn’t have gotten that otherwise if I didn’t step out of my comfort zone and listen to someone else’s point of view. That’s really how people are going to grow, and that’s that critical thinking—getting those shared experiences and getting that brainstorming and just community. Christopher S. Penn – 39:12 Exactly. If you’ve got some thoughts about how you are approaching the future of work, pop on by our free Slack group. Go to trust insights AI analysts for marketers, where you and over 4,500 other marketers are asking and answering each other’s questions every single day. Wherever you watch or listen to the show, if there’s a channel you’d rather have it on instead, go to Trust Insights AI Ti Podcast, where you can find us all the places fine podcasts are served. Thanks for tuning in. I’ll talk to you on the next one. Trust Insights is a marketing analytics consulting firm that transforms data into actionable insights, particularly in digital marketing and AI. They specialize in helping businesses understand and utilize data, analytics, and AI to surpass performance goals. 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In less than a year, AI has permeated the entire health care value chain. Hear Jim Rowan and Adarsh Gosu discuss the most impactful applications, its role in driving more proactive care, and tactics for implementation amidst regulatory challenges.

Welcome to the YOU CAN CALL ME “BOSSY” PODCAST! This powerful quick hit episode is all about motivating high-performing women—and anyone who finds themselves stuck in a loop of endless learning—to put their insights into action. If you spend more time listening to podcasts, reading self-help books, or attending workshops than you do actually practicing what you learn, this discussion will help light a fire under you. Packed with tough love, actionable advice, and inspiring quotes from thought leaders, I explore why it feels so hard to move from knowing to doing, and how even small steps toward implementation can help you push past your personal glass ceiling. Get ready for an honest, motivational conversation that might just be the permission slip you need to shift from consumption to transformation. Key Takeaways: Implementation as a tool to break through personal barriers and glass ceilings. The value of support and community in pushing past resistance. Implementation as a “muscle” that needs practice and reps. If you enjoyed this episode and are excited for more, please be sure to SUBSCRIBE and write a review to help build momentum and support the show (5-stars would be AWESOME!) _____________________________________________ JOIN US IN - THE CLUB - An annual membership where high-achieving women come together to unapologetically OWN THEIR “BOSSY” in order to rise to the top, make massive impact, and not burn out while doing it. Join TODAY to get access to all past workshop replays and past group coaching calls - always incredible takeaways and AHA moments from reviewing these sessions! Grab your spot in THE CLUB today by CLICKING HERE! _____________________________________________ LET'S FREAKING GO!FREE RESOURCE: JOURNAL PROMPT VAULTWant to work on connecting with your subconscious mind to work through blocks, limiting beliefs and stories that aren't working for you? Download my free GET OUT OF YOUR OWN DAMN WAY PROMPT VAULT - over 50 prompts to help you connect with your subconscious and build awareness around what needs to get cleared! CLICK HERE to download now! LET'S CONNECT: Follow me on Instagram, LinkedIn, or TikTokGrab a signed copy of my bestselling book STAND IN YOUR POWER HEREWatch my TEDx Talk “The Wisdom of Your Ancestors Should Be Ignored” HERE

In the third episode of this Constructing With Care, short series, host Leslie Tullio from DPR Construction is once again joined by Curtis Skolnik of CommonSpirit Health and Jonathan Bykowski of Array Advisors. Throughout Episode 21 the team explores how healthcare organizations can execute with confidence, from lean construction and technology integration to data-driven decision-making. The conversation dives into the challenges of bridging gaps between strategy, operations, and clinical realities, the role of AI in modeling patient care, mitigating bias in decision-making, and the power of Lean and Six Sigma processes to streamline implementation. Key Topics 01:20 – Emerging Technologies & Process Enablement Curtis and Jonathan discuss promising technologies and the potential for AI to optimize planning and operational decisions, including modeling patient flow and bed utilization. 02:18 – Bridging Strategy, Data, and Clinical Operations The discussion highlights the disconnects between hospital strategy teams, clinical operations, and patient care realities. AI is seen as a tool to bridge these “chasms,” helping identify opportunities like step-down care vs. ICU placement. 04:14 – Entrepreneurial Opportunities in Chasm Bridging The panel identifies gaps in healthcare data utilization and how new ventures could address them. 05:23 – Managing Data Overload Conversation on balancing the abundance of data with actionable insights, ensuring decision-makers aren't overwhelmed. 06:39 – Future-State Planning & Flexibility Jonathan emphasizes that long-term plans need built-in flexibility—“back roads maps”—to accommodate changing inputs and dynamic healthcare environments. 10:42 – Human Complexity in Implementation The panel explores how humans and bias affect project execution and the importance of structuring implementation to account for these complexities. 13:26 – Advocating for Equitable Participation Jonathan shares strategies for ensuring all voices are heard in planning sessions, emphasizing equity over equality to combat power dynamics and bias. 17:08 – Lean Six Sigma for Implementation The conversation pivots to Lean and Six Sigma principles, demonstrating how a systems-based approach improves project execution and reduces downstream inefficiencies. 21:13 – Lean Philosophy & Process Accountability The episode closes by reinforcing that errors and inefficiencies are always a reflection of the process, not individuals, and that continuous improvement depends on fixing the system rather than assigning blame. Quote Jonathan Bykowski, Array Advisors “We need to stop chasing perfect data and start trusting the patterns we see in real-time.”

Roost News Team member Nancy McCammon Hansen speaks with Emily Gorman, AARP Director of Community Engagement, Fort Wayne, and Mike Roeger, Advocate for AARP Indiana on their advocacy work to make cities in Indiana a better place to live.

In this episode, Michael sits down with Kym to talk about how businesses can not only survive but thrive with artificial intelligence. After her company lost 80% of its revenue due to executive orders, Kym led a bold pivot into AI. She shares how her team automated workflows, cut costs, and freed up resources to launch new ventures. Michael points out why this kind of hands-on experience sets her apart in guiding other organizations through AI transformation. Why Strategy Matters Did you know that 95% of AI implementations fail? Michael and Kym dig into the reasons why. Too many organizations jump in without understanding their current systems, creating more chaos instead of solutions. The two stress the importance of starting with an AI audit—identifying inefficiencies and revenue leaks—before ever choosing a tool. AI and Organizational Insight Michael and Kym highlight the gap between executive views and front-line experiences. By listening to employees who work closest to the systems, leaders can uncover real bottlenecks and opportunities. They argue that AI should enhance processes, not replace people, and that smart adaptation to current economic conditions matters more than long-term guesswork. Addressing Employee Concerns Kym addresses the fear of AI taking jobs. Instead, she frames AI as a companion—augmenting employees' abilities and giving them space for creativity and productivity. Michael adds that when used wisely, AI helps businesses find new growth opportunities and sharpen their focus. Both stress the importance of thoughtful planning, privacy safeguards, and data responsibility. Technology's Broader Impact The conversation also explores how innovations like predictive analytics are already woven into everyday life, from mortgages to personalized ads. Michael emphasizes using technology to increase efficiency and create meaningful work, while also recognizing the ongoing debates around privacy and data use. Skills That Transfer Kym also shares how her background in nursing shaped her approach to consulting, underscoring the power of transferable skills. She encourages listeners to examine their own roles, projects, and metrics for growth opportunities. Michael closes by highlighting Kym's expertise and her commitment to helping businesses and communities adapt to an AI-driven world. About Kym Ali Kym Ali is an award-winning Registered Nurse, dynamic speaker, and CEO of Kym Ali Consulting, a boutique firm specializing in leadership development, workplace wellness, coaching, and AI-driven solutions for modern leaders. With more than 20 years of nursing experience — including five years abroad helping launch Qatar's first Women's and Children's Hospital — Kym brings a rare global perspective to building healthy, high-performing organizations. Her expertise has been trusted by federal agencies, Fortune 500 companies, and global institutions like the Department of Health and Human Services, Pfizer, Stanford University, and Meta, where she has consistently earned client satisfaction ratings above 96 percent. Recognized as a 2024 Enterprising Woman of the Year, recipient of a Maryland Governor Citation, and ranked among the Top 25 Speakers of 2023, Kym blends proven leadership strategies with AI innovation and wellness practices to help leaders prevent burnout, navigate uncertainty, and inspire engaged, motivated teams. LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/leadershiptransformer/  

In this episode, Gareth McGlynn sits down with Ale Macias of Ryan Companies during Precon World 2025 to discuss the growing influence of AI and technology in preconstruction and how teams are adapting to new ways of working.Key Takeaways:AI and Preconstruction Technology: How innovation is shaping today's estimating and planning workflows.Career Journey: From ballet to construction and becoming a key part of Ryan's preconstruction group.Collaboration and Openness: Her interest in collaboration and perspective on the day-to-day challenges faced by preconstruction professionals.Precon Round Table: An initiative of like-minded companies working together to improve processes and reach solutions faster, which Ale is part of.Connect with Ale Macias on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ale-m-a040071a4/Tune in to this episode and stay tuned for more conversations and industry perspectives on The Preconstruction Podcast!

The author, Montather Rassoul, is a management consultant and the founder of consulting firms including MRC Firm LLC FZ and Montather Rassoul Management Consulting Firm. His work focuses on translating complex business challenges into clear, actionable systems.The book is divided into seven parts:Part 1: Foundations of Management Consulting This section establishes the consultant's mindset, focusing on structured, analytical, and client-centered thinking. It introduces the 6-Step Problem-Solving Process and fundamental concepts like the MECE Principle and the SCQA framework for framing problems.Part 2: Analyzing the Business Environment Here, the focus shifts to understanding the external landscape using tools such as SWOT analysis, PESTLE for external forces, and Porter's Five Forces for competitive dynamics.Part 3: Breaking Down Problems Inside the Business This part covers the diagnostic phase, using tools like KPI Trees, Root Cause Analysis, and Process Mapping to isolate internal points of failure or opportunity.Part 4: Crafting and Testing Solutions This section details how to generate, evaluate, and test potential solutions. It introduces structured brainstorming, decision frameworks like the Ansoff and BCG matrices, and hypothesis-driven testing through MVPs and pilot programs.Part 5: Strategy and Growth This part focuses on long-term strategic positioning, covering business model design, strategic roadmaps, and pricing strategies.Part 6: Implementation and Execution This section transitions from planning to action, covering how to turn recommendations into action plans, manage stakeholders, and track performance using KPIs and OKRs.Part 7: The Consultant's Toolkit The final section provides practical checklists, templates, and case studies to apply the book's concepts to everyday problems.Ultimately, the guide aims to provide a repeatable system for solving any business challenge by focusing on the "vital few" inputs that drive the majority of results.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/montather-rassoul-podcast--3264694/support.

If you're tired of guessing your next move, this episode walks you through a clean, principle-based way to set a quarterly priority and success plan. I audit my Q3 results and show exactly how I'm setting my Q4 objective using Close the Gap—a lifestyle-first, data-driven approach for solopreneurs who want progress without digital-marketing gimmicks.You'll hear how to write a clear lifestyle statement, choose a SMART 90-day goal, find the real bottleneck (not just generic “lack of time”), and optimize a simple, no-funnel client-attraction system. I also share the specific metrics and conversion targets I'm raising for Q4—and the few moves I'm making to get there.In this episode* A reality check on quarterly planning that actually serves your life* Lifestyle-first success statements that guide every decision* SMART goals grounded in first principles and system reliability* Constraints vs. bottlenecks (and why most people fix the wrong thing)* A no-funnel client attraction flow you can measure and improve* My Q3 → Q4 numbers, lessons, and priority shiftsChapters* 00:00 Reality check & goals for the session* 01:21 Rules of engagement: clarity, integrity, action* 06:09 Lifestyle-first planning & SMART 90-day objectives* 13:31 Constraints vs. bottlenecks: choose your true priority* 19:16 Data review: the no-funnel attraction system* 24:40 Q3 results → Q4 targets & the two focus moves* 43:30 Implementation guidance & next stepsResources* Frameworks: Close the Gap, Forever Offer, Be a Blessing Marketing* Inner Circle All-Access Vault: trainings, worksheets, and coaching GPT promptsSubscribe to Transcendent SolopreneurshipIf you want the trainings, worksheets, community calls, and coaching prompts that help you put this into practice, subscribe to Transcendent Solopreneurship.Paid members (Circle & Inner Circle) get weekly calls, monthly deep-dives, the Vault, and priority coaching opportunities.Prefer to watch? Here's the video replay.↓↓↓ This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit creativeonpurpose.substack.com/subscribe

Jaeden interviews Jonathan Mortensen, founder and CEO of Confidence Security, a company focused on providing a privacy layer for AI applications. They discuss the growing concerns around data privacy in AI, the innovative solutions offered by Confidence Security, and the potential markets for their technology, including enterprises and sovereign AI. The conversation also covers integration options, the competitive landscape, and the risks associated with prompt injection in AI systems.Get the top 40+ AI Models for $20 at AI Box: ⁠⁠https://aibox.aiAI Chat YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@JaedenSchaferJoin my AI Hustle Community: https://www.skool.com/aihustleTo recommend a guest email: guests(@)podcaststudio.comLearn more about confident security: https://confident.security/Chapters00:00 Introduction to AI Privacy and Security03:39 Understanding the Concerns of AI Data Breaches07:33 Confident Security's Innovative Approach11:04 Integration and Implementation of AI Solutions15:52 Competitive Landscape in AI Privacy Solutions20:36 Common Misconceptions in AI Security

The Transformation Ground Control podcast covers a number of topics important to digital and business transformation. This episode covers the following topics and interviews: Building an AI-First Strategy (Brian Perkins, Director at Sumitomo Drive Technologies) What's REALLY Behind the Downfall of SAP, Blockbuster, and BlackBerry?   We also cover a number of other relevant topics related to digital and business transformation throughout the show.