Podcast appearances and mentions of bob motta

As part of our Hidden Killers 2025 Year in Review series, we're examining two of the most unnerving threads in the case against Bryan Kohberger — the alleged thumbs-up mirror selfie taken hours after the Idaho student murders, and the college paper that prosecutors say reveals the mind of a killer long before the crime. In this special combined episode, Tony Brueski brings together a powerful mix of expert voices — retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer, behavioral expert Robin Dreeke, and defense attorney Bob Motta — to unpack how two seemingly separate pieces of evidence might expose the psychology and planning behind one of the most disturbing crimes in modern memory. The selfie, allegedly timestamped 10:31 AM on November 13th, 2022, shows Kohberger clean-shaven, wearing a white button-up, giving a calm thumbs-up in front of a shower — while the victims still lay undiscovered just miles away. It's an image that feels ripped from American Psycho, echoing both Patrick Bateman's narcissism and Norman Bates' eerie detachment. Was it a subconscious taunt? A digital trophy? Or simply the reflection of a man who couldn't tell the difference between performance and reality? Then comes the academic paper that prosecutors now want admitted as evidence: “Crime-Scene Scenario Final.” Written in 2020 during Kohberger's criminology studies, the 12-page essay describes — in chilling detail — how to secure, process, and control a murder scene without leaving trace evidence. He even wrote about wearing “fiber-free protective gear” and checking neighbor alibis — years before a masked intruder allegedly slaughtered four students while leaving behind only one trace: DNA on a knife sheath. The episode breaks down what prosecutors call a pattern of preparation, bolstered by other alleged evidence — a balaclava receipt, phone pings near the crime scene, and the now-infamous Amazon purchase of a knife, sheath, and sharpener. Is the paper proof of intent, or just twisted irony? And could that mirror selfie — equal parts arrogance and emptiness — be the moment his mask slipped for good?

As part of our Hidden Killers 2025 Year in Review series, we're examining two of the most unnerving threads in the case against Bryan Kohberger — the alleged thumbs-up mirror selfie taken hours after the Idaho student murders, and the college paper that prosecutors say reveals the mind of a killer long before the crime. In this special combined episode, Tony Brueski brings together a powerful mix of expert voices — retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer, behavioral expert Robin Dreeke, and defense attorney Bob Motta — to unpack how two seemingly separate pieces of evidence might expose the psychology and planning behind one of the most disturbing crimes in modern memory. The selfie, allegedly timestamped 10:31 AM on November 13th, 2022, shows Kohberger clean-shaven, wearing a white button-up, giving a calm thumbs-up in front of a shower — while the victims still lay undiscovered just miles away. It's an image that feels ripped from American Psycho, echoing both Patrick Bateman's narcissism and Norman Bates' eerie detachment. Was it a subconscious taunt? A digital trophy? Or simply the reflection of a man who couldn't tell the difference between performance and reality? Then comes the academic paper that prosecutors now want admitted as evidence: “Crime-Scene Scenario Final.” Written in 2020 during Kohberger's criminology studies, the 12-page essay describes — in chilling detail — how to secure, process, and control a murder scene without leaving trace evidence. He even wrote about wearing “fiber-free protective gear” and checking neighbor alibis — years before a masked intruder allegedly slaughtered four students while leaving behind only one trace: DNA on a knife sheath. The episode breaks down what prosecutors call a pattern of preparation, bolstered by other alleged evidence — a balaclava receipt, phone pings near the crime scene, and the now-infamous Amazon purchase of a knife, sheath, and sharpener. Is the paper proof of intent, or just twisted irony? And could that mirror selfie — equal parts arrogance and emptiness — be the moment his mask slipped for good?

As part of our Hidden Killers 2025 Year in Review series, we're examining two of the most unnerving threads in the case against Bryan Kohberger — the alleged thumbs-up mirror selfie taken hours after the Idaho student murders, and the college paper that prosecutors say reveals the mind of a killer long before the crime. In this special combined episode, Tony Brueski brings together a powerful mix of expert voices — retired FBI Special Agent Jennifer Coffindaffer, behavioral expert Robin Dreeke, and defense attorney Bob Motta — to unpack how two seemingly separate pieces of evidence might expose the psychology and planning behind one of the most disturbing crimes in modern memory. The selfie, allegedly timestamped 10:31 AM on November 13th, 2022, shows Kohberger clean-shaven, wearing a white button-up, giving a calm thumbs-up in front of a shower — while the victims still lay undiscovered just miles away. It's an image that feels ripped from American Psycho, echoing both Patrick Bateman's narcissism and Norman Bates' eerie detachment. Was it a subconscious taunt? A digital trophy? Or simply the reflection of a man who couldn't tell the difference between performance and reality? Then comes the academic paper that prosecutors now want admitted as evidence: “Crime-Scene Scenario Final.” Written in 2020 during Kohberger's criminology studies, the 12-page essay describes — in chilling detail — how to secure, process, and control a murder scene without leaving trace evidence. He even wrote about wearing “fiber-free protective gear” and checking neighbor alibis — years before a masked intruder allegedly slaughtered four students while leaving behind only one trace: DNA on a knife sheath. The episode breaks down what prosecutors call a pattern of preparation, bolstered by other alleged evidence — a balaclava receipt, phone pings near the crime scene, and the now-infamous Amazon purchase of a knife, sheath, and sharpener. Is the paper proof of intent, or just twisted irony? And could that mirror selfie — equal parts arrogance and emptiness — be the moment his mask slipped for good?

The death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner inside a cruise cabin has become one of the most puzzling cases of the year — because there is no outside suspect, no unknown figure on the ship, and no clear timeline. Just a small cabin, a concealed body, a 16-year-old stepsibling at the center of the investigation, and a family whose internal conflicts are now spilling into custody court. Tonight, Hidden Killers takes a hard look at the legal landscape of this case — not through rumor or speculation, but through what the law actually allows. We're joined by defense attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta, breaking down the pathways investigators are required to consider in cases involving minors, trauma, panic responses, and potential accidental mechanisms. What does it mean when the stepsibling's own grandmother says he “doesn't remember what happened” and was “an emotional wreck”? Is that trauma? A shutdown? A fear response? A sign of guilt? Or the kind of adolescent dissociation that completely derails both prosecution and defense strategy? We also examine the full spectrum of possible charges — from no charges to involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, assault leading to death, or a concealment-only scenario. And just as importantly: which charges are legally off the table. Then we drill into the Fifth Amendment play by the stepmother. What does invoking the Fifth in a custody battle mean? And what does it absolutely not mean? Finally, we confront the looming reality: many juvenile cases never go to trial. Could the truth of what happened inside that cabin remain sealed forever? Tonight, we cut through the noise and get to the legal truth — the uncomfortable, messy, complicated truth — behind the death of Anna Kepner. Subscribe for more ongoing analysis of this case and others on Hidden Killers. #AnnaKepner #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #CruiseCase #LegalAnalysis #BobMotta #JuvenileJustice #CrimeBreakdown #CrimeUpdate #JusticeForAnna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner inside a cruise cabin has become a legal puzzle that prosecutors may not be able to solve — not because they aren't trying, but because the law requires clarity in places where this case offers almost none. On tonight's episode of Hidden Killers, we dissect why the investigation into Anna's death is so stalled, so complicated, and so uniquely fragile. Attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta joins us to break down the core legal obstacles that make this case unlike almost anything we've seen this year. First: the only other person in the room was a 16-year-old stepsibling. Second: there's a claim of memory loss. Third: the autopsy still hasn't provided cause or manner of death. Fourth: the stepmother has invoked the Fifth Amendment, raising new questions without supplying any answers. Taken together, these factors create a prosecution minefield. We explore why proving intent is nearly impossible without a mechanism, why trauma-induced memory gaps complicate even the simplest charging decisions, why concealment doesn't automatically indicate intent, and why the juvenile system adds layers of confidentiality that the public rarely understands. We also dive into the three most likely outcomes — and why none of them guarantee that the public will ever learn what truly happened inside that cabin. Was this panic? Fear? A sudden accident? A medical collapse? A moment of chaos that spiraled out of control? Or something darker? The law cannot guess. It needs evidence. And right now, the evidence paints a picture with more missing pieces than visible ones. Tonight, we cut through speculation and explain why this case is so legally fragile — and why the next steps may determine whether anyone is ever held accountable. Subscribe for more Hidden Killers coverage as this case continues to unfold. #AnnaKepner #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #CruiseInvestigation #LegalAnalysis #BobMotta #JuvenileLaw #InvestigationUpdate #CrimeBreakdown #JusticeForAnna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

When 18-year-old Anna Kepner was found hidden under a bed inside a cruise ship cabin, the story immediately drew national attention — not because of what investigators discovered, but because of all the things they didn't. No intruder. No external threat. No clear cause of death. Just a 16-year-old stepsibling who now sits at the center of a legal and emotional storm. Tonight on Hidden Killers, we dig into the legal tensions surrounding this case — the gaps, the unknowns, the strict limitations of the juvenile system, and the uncomfortable reality that many of these answers may never become public. With attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta, we explore every realistic scenario investigators must consider: accident, panic, trauma, a moment of fear that spiraled, an altercation without intent, a medical event mishandled, or an intentional act. The law doesn't get to pick the neat version — it has to test all of them. We also break down the implications of the stepson's claim that he “doesn't remember what happened.” Legally, that can indicate trauma, shock, dissociation, or a panic-response blackout — all of which dramatically complicate the question of charges. Because intent matters. Mechanism matters. And mental state matters. We look at why certain charges are possible, why some are unlikely, and why others — like premeditated murder — simply don't fit the known facts. And we explain the Fifth Amendment move by the stepmother: a headline-grabbing moment that creates more confusion than clarity. Most importantly, we dive into the biggest question: how does a case like this realistically end? A juvenile plea? Treatment? No charges? Or a sealed resolution the public will never see? This case is heartbreaking, confusing, and bound by legal blinders that make it even harder to understand. But tonight, we break down what the law actually says — not what the internet assumes. #AnnaKepner #CruiseCase #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimeToday #LegalBreakdown #JuvenileCase #BobMotta #CrimeAnalysis #JusticeSystem #InvestigationUpdate Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

When 18-year-old Anna Kepner was found hidden under a bed inside a cruise ship cabin, the story immediately drew national attention — not because of what investigators discovered, but because of all the things they didn't. No intruder. No external threat. No clear cause of death. Just a 16-year-old stepsibling who now sits at the center of a legal and emotional storm. Tonight on Hidden Killers, we dig into the legal tensions surrounding this case — the gaps, the unknowns, the strict limitations of the juvenile system, and the uncomfortable reality that many of these answers may never become public. With attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta, we explore every realistic scenario investigators must consider: accident, panic, trauma, a moment of fear that spiraled, an altercation without intent, a medical event mishandled, or an intentional act. The law doesn't get to pick the neat version — it has to test all of them. We also break down the implications of the stepson's claim that he “doesn't remember what happened.” Legally, that can indicate trauma, shock, dissociation, or a panic-response blackout — all of which dramatically complicate the question of charges. Because intent matters. Mechanism matters. And mental state matters. We look at why certain charges are possible, why some are unlikely, and why others — like premeditated murder — simply don't fit the known facts. And we explain the Fifth Amendment move by the stepmother: a headline-grabbing moment that creates more confusion than clarity. Most importantly, we dive into the biggest question: how does a case like this realistically end? A juvenile plea? Treatment? No charges? Or a sealed resolution the public will never see? This case is heartbreaking, confusing, and bound by legal blinders that make it even harder to understand. But tonight, we break down what the law actually says — not what the internet assumes. #AnnaKepner #CruiseCase #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimeToday #LegalBreakdown #JuvenileCase #BobMotta #CrimeAnalysis #JusticeSystem #InvestigationUpdate Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner inside a cruise cabin has become one of the most puzzling cases of the year — because there is no outside suspect, no unknown figure on the ship, and no clear timeline. Just a small cabin, a concealed body, a 16-year-old stepsibling at the center of the investigation, and a family whose internal conflicts are now spilling into custody court. Tonight, Hidden Killers takes a hard look at the legal landscape of this case — not through rumor or speculation, but through what the law actually allows. We're joined by defense attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta, breaking down the pathways investigators are required to consider in cases involving minors, trauma, panic responses, and potential accidental mechanisms. What does it mean when the stepsibling's own grandmother says he “doesn't remember what happened” and was “an emotional wreck”? Is that trauma? A shutdown? A fear response? A sign of guilt? Or the kind of adolescent dissociation that completely derails both prosecution and defense strategy? We also examine the full spectrum of possible charges — from no charges to involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, assault leading to death, or a concealment-only scenario. And just as importantly: which charges are legally off the table. Then we drill into the Fifth Amendment play by the stepmother. What does invoking the Fifth in a custody battle mean? And what does it absolutely not mean? Finally, we confront the looming reality: many juvenile cases never go to trial. Could the truth of what happened inside that cabin remain sealed forever? Tonight, we cut through the noise and get to the legal truth — the uncomfortable, messy, complicated truth — behind the death of Anna Kepner. Subscribe for more ongoing analysis of this case and others on Hidden Killers. #AnnaKepner #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #CruiseCase #LegalAnalysis #BobMotta #JuvenileJustice #CrimeBreakdown #CrimeUpdate #JusticeForAnna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner inside a cruise cabin has become a legal puzzle that prosecutors may not be able to solve — not because they aren't trying, but because the law requires clarity in places where this case offers almost none. On tonight's episode of Hidden Killers, we dissect why the investigation into Anna's death is so stalled, so complicated, and so uniquely fragile. Attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta joins us to break down the core legal obstacles that make this case unlike almost anything we've seen this year. First: the only other person in the room was a 16-year-old stepsibling. Second: there's a claim of memory loss. Third: the autopsy still hasn't provided cause or manner of death. Fourth: the stepmother has invoked the Fifth Amendment, raising new questions without supplying any answers. Taken together, these factors create a prosecution minefield. We explore why proving intent is nearly impossible without a mechanism, why trauma-induced memory gaps complicate even the simplest charging decisions, why concealment doesn't automatically indicate intent, and why the juvenile system adds layers of confidentiality that the public rarely understands. We also dive into the three most likely outcomes — and why none of them guarantee that the public will ever learn what truly happened inside that cabin. Was this panic? Fear? A sudden accident? A medical collapse? A moment of chaos that spiraled out of control? Or something darker? The law cannot guess. It needs evidence. And right now, the evidence paints a picture with more missing pieces than visible ones. Tonight, we cut through speculation and explain why this case is so legally fragile — and why the next steps may determine whether anyone is ever held accountable. Subscribe for more Hidden Killers coverage as this case continues to unfold. #AnnaKepner #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #CruiseInvestigation #LegalAnalysis #BobMotta #JuvenileLaw #InvestigationUpdate #CrimeBreakdown #JusticeForAnna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner inside a cruise cabin has become a legal puzzle that prosecutors may not be able to solve — not because they aren't trying, but because the law requires clarity in places where this case offers almost none. On tonight's episode of Hidden Killers, we dissect why the investigation into Anna's death is so stalled, so complicated, and so uniquely fragile. Attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta joins us to break down the core legal obstacles that make this case unlike almost anything we've seen this year. First: the only other person in the room was a 16-year-old stepsibling. Second: there's a claim of memory loss. Third: the autopsy still hasn't provided cause or manner of death. Fourth: the stepmother has invoked the Fifth Amendment, raising new questions without supplying any answers. Taken together, these factors create a prosecution minefield. We explore why proving intent is nearly impossible without a mechanism, why trauma-induced memory gaps complicate even the simplest charging decisions, why concealment doesn't automatically indicate intent, and why the juvenile system adds layers of confidentiality that the public rarely understands. We also dive into the three most likely outcomes — and why none of them guarantee that the public will ever learn what truly happened inside that cabin. Was this panic? Fear? A sudden accident? A medical collapse? A moment of chaos that spiraled out of control? Or something darker? The law cannot guess. It needs evidence. And right now, the evidence paints a picture with more missing pieces than visible ones. Tonight, we cut through speculation and explain why this case is so legally fragile — and why the next steps may determine whether anyone is ever held accountable. Subscribe for more Hidden Killers coverage as this case continues to unfold. #AnnaKepner #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #CruiseInvestigation #LegalAnalysis #BobMotta #JuvenileLaw #InvestigationUpdate #CrimeBreakdown #JusticeForAnna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner inside a cruise cabin has become one of the most puzzling cases of the year — because there is no outside suspect, no unknown figure on the ship, and no clear timeline. Just a small cabin, a concealed body, a 16-year-old stepsibling at the center of the investigation, and a family whose internal conflicts are now spilling into custody court. Tonight, Hidden Killers takes a hard look at the legal landscape of this case — not through rumor or speculation, but through what the law actually allows. We're joined by defense attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta, breaking down the pathways investigators are required to consider in cases involving minors, trauma, panic responses, and potential accidental mechanisms. What does it mean when the stepsibling's own grandmother says he “doesn't remember what happened” and was “an emotional wreck”? Is that trauma? A shutdown? A fear response? A sign of guilt? Or the kind of adolescent dissociation that completely derails both prosecution and defense strategy? We also examine the full spectrum of possible charges — from no charges to involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, assault leading to death, or a concealment-only scenario. And just as importantly: which charges are legally off the table. Then we drill into the Fifth Amendment play by the stepmother. What does invoking the Fifth in a custody battle mean? And what does it absolutely not mean? Finally, we confront the looming reality: many juvenile cases never go to trial. Could the truth of what happened inside that cabin remain sealed forever? Tonight, we cut through the noise and get to the legal truth — the uncomfortable, messy, complicated truth — behind the death of Anna Kepner. Subscribe for more ongoing analysis of this case and others on Hidden Killers. #AnnaKepner #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #CruiseCase #LegalAnalysis #BobMotta #JuvenileJustice #CrimeBreakdown #CrimeUpdate #JusticeForAnna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The death of 18-year-old Anna Kepner inside a cruise cabin has become one of the most puzzling cases of the year — because there is no outside suspect, no unknown figure on the ship, and no clear timeline. Just a small cabin, a concealed body, a 16-year-old stepsibling at the center of the investigation, and a family whose internal conflicts are now spilling into custody court. Tonight, Hidden Killers takes a hard look at the legal landscape of this case — not through rumor or speculation, but through what the law actually allows. We're joined by defense attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta, breaking down the pathways investigators are required to consider in cases involving minors, trauma, panic responses, and potential accidental mechanisms. What does it mean when the stepsibling's own grandmother says he “doesn't remember what happened” and was “an emotional wreck”? Is that trauma? A shutdown? A fear response? A sign of guilt? Or the kind of adolescent dissociation that completely derails both prosecution and defense strategy? We also examine the full spectrum of possible charges — from no charges to involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, assault leading to death, or a concealment-only scenario. And just as importantly: which charges are legally off the table. Then we drill into the Fifth Amendment play by the stepmother. What does invoking the Fifth in a custody battle mean? And what does it absolutely not mean? Finally, we confront the looming reality: many juvenile cases never go to trial. Could the truth of what happened inside that cabin remain sealed forever? Tonight, we cut through the noise and get to the legal truth — the uncomfortable, messy, complicated truth — behind the death of Anna Kepner. Subscribe for more ongoing analysis of this case and others on Hidden Killers. #AnnaKepner #HiddenKillers #TrueCrime #CruiseCase #LegalAnalysis #BobMotta #JuvenileJustice #CrimeBreakdown #CrimeUpdate #JusticeForAnna Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

When 18-year-old Anna Kepner was found hidden under a bed inside a cruise ship cabin, the story immediately drew national attention — not because of what investigators discovered, but because of all the things they didn't. No intruder. No external threat. No clear cause of death. Just a 16-year-old stepsibling who now sits at the center of a legal and emotional storm. Tonight on Hidden Killers, we dig into the legal tensions surrounding this case — the gaps, the unknowns, the strict limitations of the juvenile system, and the uncomfortable reality that many of these answers may never become public. With attorney and former prosecutor Bob Motta, we explore every realistic scenario investigators must consider: accident, panic, trauma, a moment of fear that spiraled, an altercation without intent, a medical event mishandled, or an intentional act. The law doesn't get to pick the neat version — it has to test all of them. We also break down the implications of the stepson's claim that he “doesn't remember what happened.” Legally, that can indicate trauma, shock, dissociation, or a panic-response blackout — all of which dramatically complicate the question of charges. Because intent matters. Mechanism matters. And mental state matters. We look at why certain charges are possible, why some are unlikely, and why others — like premeditated murder — simply don't fit the known facts. And we explain the Fifth Amendment move by the stepmother: a headline-grabbing moment that creates more confusion than clarity. Most importantly, we dive into the biggest question: how does a case like this realistically end? A juvenile plea? Treatment? No charges? Or a sealed resolution the public will never see? This case is heartbreaking, confusing, and bound by legal blinders that make it even harder to understand. But tonight, we break down what the law actually says — not what the internet assumes. #AnnaKepner #CruiseCase #HiddenKillers #TrueCrimeToday #LegalBreakdown #JuvenileCase #BobMotta #CrimeAnalysis #JusticeSystem #InvestigationUpdate Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In our latest interview, defense attorney Bob Motta joins me to dissect the one thing the public never truly got to see in the Delphi murders case: the investigators themselves, speaking under oath. And what those depositions reveal isn't a unified, focused, evidence-driven investigative team — it's a fractured, inconsistent, internally conflicted system struggling under the weight of its own decisions. For years, the Delphi narrative has been kept clean and simple on the surface. But beneath that exterior is a record full of contradictions: investigators who cannot agree on whether the FBI was removed from the case… conflicting recollections about the Behavioral Analysis Unit's early assessment… witness statements reshaped in the search-warrant affidavit… third-party suspects dismissed despite disturbing statements and behavior… symbolic evidence at the crime scene left unexplored… and forensic gaps that defy basic homicide protocol. Bob walks us through all of it — the timeline manipulation, the altered witness descriptions, the failure to pursue leads, the missing documentation around the bullet, the sticks left in the woods for days, and the Odinism material that sat in the prosecutor's office for months before being disclosed. These are not minor mistakes. These are systemic failures with massive implications for Richard Allen's appeal. If you're looking for the polished, sanitized version of this case, this isn't it. This is the raw underside — the part the public didn't see, the part juries never heard, and the part that may very well determine whether this conviction withstands appellate scrutiny. When investigators contradict each other, forget key events, minimize crucial evidence, and reshape witness statements to fit a narrative, it's not just bad optics — it's a crisis of investigative integrity. And today, Bob and I break that crisis wide open. #Delphi #DelphiMurders #RichardAllen #TrueCrime #Depositions #LegalAnalysis #JusticeSystem #Investigations #CourtFilings #HiddenKillers Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In this episode, I sit down with defense attorney and trial analyst Bob Motta to examine the most explosive development yet in the Delphi case: the collapse of the timeline investigators built around the murders of Abby and Libby. For years, the timeline was treated as settled. But when you read the depositions, the cracks spread fast. Bob and I break down how witness statements were reshaped, how the search-warrant affidavit reframed crucial descriptions, and how timelines were tightened or loosened depending on who was writing the report. This isn't conjecture — it's sworn testimony. Bob walks us through the most glaring issues: a witness who described a young man and an older car, yet was portrayed to the judge as having seen something “consistent” with Richard Allen; investigators who can't agree on when the FBI was involved; conflicting testimony about the time of death; missing documentation around the bullet that ties Allen's gun to the case; symbolic elements at the crime scene ignored or downplayed; and third-party suspects whose movements and statements were never thoroughly pursued. This interview digs into why these inconsistencies matter — not emotionally, but legally. How does a conviction stand when the foundation beneath it shifts every time you compare one deposition to another? How does an affidavit remain valid when key information was omitted or altered? And how does the public reconcile the clean version of the case with the messy, disjointed reality revealed behind closed doors? This isn't about guilt or innocence — it's about whether the system followed its own rules. And according to the depositions, the timeline wasn't built on solid ground. It was built on selective memory, contradictory claims, and investigative shortcuts that now threaten the entire structure of the case. #DelphiCase #TrueCrimeNews #LegalBreakdown #RichardAllenCase #Depositions #CourtRecords #CrimeInvestigation #TimelineAnalysis #HiddenKillers #JusticeReview Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In this episode, I sit down with defense attorney and trial analyst Bob Motta to examine the most explosive development yet in the Delphi case: the collapse of the timeline investigators built around the murders of Abby and Libby. For years, the timeline was treated as settled. But when you read the depositions, the cracks spread fast. Bob and I break down how witness statements were reshaped, how the search-warrant affidavit reframed crucial descriptions, and how timelines were tightened or loosened depending on who was writing the report. This isn't conjecture — it's sworn testimony. Bob walks us through the most glaring issues: a witness who described a young man and an older car, yet was portrayed to the judge as having seen something “consistent” with Richard Allen; investigators who can't agree on when the FBI was involved; conflicting testimony about the time of death; missing documentation around the bullet that ties Allen's gun to the case; symbolic elements at the crime scene ignored or downplayed; and third-party suspects whose movements and statements were never thoroughly pursued. This interview digs into why these inconsistencies matter — not emotionally, but legally. How does a conviction stand when the foundation beneath it shifts every time you compare one deposition to another? How does an affidavit remain valid when key information was omitted or altered? And how does the public reconcile the clean version of the case with the messy, disjointed reality revealed behind closed doors? This isn't about guilt or innocence — it's about whether the system followed its own rules. And according to the depositions, the timeline wasn't built on solid ground. It was built on selective memory, contradictory claims, and investigative shortcuts that now threaten the entire structure of the case. #DelphiCase #TrueCrimeNews #LegalBreakdown #RichardAllenCase #Depositions #CourtRecords #CrimeInvestigation #TimelineAnalysis #HiddenKillers #JusticeReview Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In our latest interview, defense attorney Bob Motta joins me to dissect the one thing the public never truly got to see in the Delphi murders case: the investigators themselves, speaking under oath. And what those depositions reveal isn't a unified, focused, evidence-driven investigative team — it's a fractured, inconsistent, internally conflicted system struggling under the weight of its own decisions. For years, the Delphi narrative has been kept clean and simple on the surface. But beneath that exterior is a record full of contradictions: investigators who cannot agree on whether the FBI was removed from the case… conflicting recollections about the Behavioral Analysis Unit's early assessment… witness statements reshaped in the search-warrant affidavit… third-party suspects dismissed despite disturbing statements and behavior… symbolic evidence at the crime scene left unexplored… and forensic gaps that defy basic homicide protocol. Bob walks us through all of it — the timeline manipulation, the altered witness descriptions, the failure to pursue leads, the missing documentation around the bullet, the sticks left in the woods for days, and the Odinism material that sat in the prosecutor's office for months before being disclosed. These are not minor mistakes. These are systemic failures with massive implications for Richard Allen's appeal. If you're looking for the polished, sanitized version of this case, this isn't it. This is the raw underside — the part the public didn't see, the part juries never heard, and the part that may very well determine whether this conviction withstands appellate scrutiny. When investigators contradict each other, forget key events, minimize crucial evidence, and reshape witness statements to fit a narrative, it's not just bad optics — it's a crisis of investigative integrity. And today, Bob and I break that crisis wide open. #Delphi #DelphiMurders #RichardAllen #TrueCrime #Depositions #LegalAnalysis #JusticeSystem #Investigations #CourtFilings #HiddenKillers Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In this episode, I sit down with defense attorney and trial analyst Bob Motta to examine the most explosive development yet in the Delphi case: the collapse of the timeline investigators built around the murders of Abby and Libby. For years, the timeline was treated as settled. But when you read the depositions, the cracks spread fast. Bob and I break down how witness statements were reshaped, how the search-warrant affidavit reframed crucial descriptions, and how timelines were tightened or loosened depending on who was writing the report. This isn't conjecture — it's sworn testimony. Bob walks us through the most glaring issues: a witness who described a young man and an older car, yet was portrayed to the judge as having seen something “consistent” with Richard Allen; investigators who can't agree on when the FBI was involved; conflicting testimony about the time of death; missing documentation around the bullet that ties Allen's gun to the case; symbolic elements at the crime scene ignored or downplayed; and third-party suspects whose movements and statements were never thoroughly pursued. This interview digs into why these inconsistencies matter — not emotionally, but legally. How does a conviction stand when the foundation beneath it shifts every time you compare one deposition to another? How does an affidavit remain valid when key information was omitted or altered? And how does the public reconcile the clean version of the case with the messy, disjointed reality revealed behind closed doors? This isn't about guilt or innocence — it's about whether the system followed its own rules. And according to the depositions, the timeline wasn't built on solid ground. It was built on selective memory, contradictory claims, and investigative shortcuts that now threaten the entire structure of the case. #DelphiCase #TrueCrimeNews #LegalBreakdown #RichardAllenCase #Depositions #CourtRecords #CrimeInvestigation #TimelineAnalysis #HiddenKillers #JusticeReview Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In our latest interview, defense attorney Bob Motta joins me to dissect the one thing the public never truly got to see in the Delphi murders case: the investigators themselves, speaking under oath. And what those depositions reveal isn't a unified, focused, evidence-driven investigative team — it's a fractured, inconsistent, internally conflicted system struggling under the weight of its own decisions. For years, the Delphi narrative has been kept clean and simple on the surface. But beneath that exterior is a record full of contradictions: investigators who cannot agree on whether the FBI was removed from the case… conflicting recollections about the Behavioral Analysis Unit's early assessment… witness statements reshaped in the search-warrant affidavit… third-party suspects dismissed despite disturbing statements and behavior… symbolic evidence at the crime scene left unexplored… and forensic gaps that defy basic homicide protocol. Bob walks us through all of it — the timeline manipulation, the altered witness descriptions, the failure to pursue leads, the missing documentation around the bullet, the sticks left in the woods for days, and the Odinism material that sat in the prosecutor's office for months before being disclosed. These are not minor mistakes. These are systemic failures with massive implications for Richard Allen's appeal. If you're looking for the polished, sanitized version of this case, this isn't it. This is the raw underside — the part the public didn't see, the part juries never heard, and the part that may very well determine whether this conviction withstands appellate scrutiny. When investigators contradict each other, forget key events, minimize crucial evidence, and reshape witness statements to fit a narrative, it's not just bad optics — it's a crisis of investigative integrity. And today, Bob and I break that crisis wide open. #Delphi #DelphiMurders #RichardAllen #TrueCrime #Depositions #LegalAnalysis #JusticeSystem #Investigations #CourtFilings #HiddenKillers Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In our latest interview, defense attorney Bob Motta joins me to dissect the one thing the public never truly got to see in the Delphi murders case: the investigators themselves, speaking under oath. And what those depositions reveal isn't a unified, focused, evidence-driven investigative team — it's a fractured, inconsistent, internally conflicted system struggling under the weight of its own decisions. For years, the Delphi narrative has been kept clean and simple on the surface. But beneath that exterior is a record full of contradictions: investigators who cannot agree on whether the FBI was removed from the case… conflicting recollections about the Behavioral Analysis Unit's early assessment… witness statements reshaped in the search-warrant affidavit… third-party suspects dismissed despite disturbing statements and behavior… symbolic evidence at the crime scene left unexplored… and forensic gaps that defy basic homicide protocol. Bob walks us through all of it — the timeline manipulation, the altered witness descriptions, the failure to pursue leads, the missing documentation around the bullet, the sticks left in the woods for days, and the Odinism material that sat in the prosecutor's office for months before being disclosed. These are not minor mistakes. These are systemic failures with massive implications for Richard Allen's appeal. If you're looking for the polished, sanitized version of this case, this isn't it. This is the raw underside — the part the public didn't see, the part juries never heard, and the part that may very well determine whether this conviction withstands appellate scrutiny. When investigators contradict each other, forget key events, minimize crucial evidence, and reshape witness statements to fit a narrative, it's not just bad optics — it's a crisis of investigative integrity. And today, Bob and I break that crisis wide open. #Delphi #DelphiMurders #RichardAllen #TrueCrime #Depositions #LegalAnalysis #JusticeSystem #Investigations #CourtFilings #HiddenKillers Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

In this episode, I sit down with defense attorney and trial analyst Bob Motta to examine the most explosive development yet in the Delphi case: the collapse of the timeline investigators built around the murders of Abby and Libby. For years, the timeline was treated as settled. But when you read the depositions, the cracks spread fast. Bob and I break down how witness statements were reshaped, how the search-warrant affidavit reframed crucial descriptions, and how timelines were tightened or loosened depending on who was writing the report. This isn't conjecture — it's sworn testimony. Bob walks us through the most glaring issues: a witness who described a young man and an older car, yet was portrayed to the judge as having seen something “consistent” with Richard Allen; investigators who can't agree on when the FBI was involved; conflicting testimony about the time of death; missing documentation around the bullet that ties Allen's gun to the case; symbolic elements at the crime scene ignored or downplayed; and third-party suspects whose movements and statements were never thoroughly pursued. This interview digs into why these inconsistencies matter — not emotionally, but legally. How does a conviction stand when the foundation beneath it shifts every time you compare one deposition to another? How does an affidavit remain valid when key information was omitted or altered? And how does the public reconcile the clean version of the case with the messy, disjointed reality revealed behind closed doors? This isn't about guilt or innocence — it's about whether the system followed its own rules. And according to the depositions, the timeline wasn't built on solid ground. It was built on selective memory, contradictory claims, and investigative shortcuts that now threaten the entire structure of the case. #DelphiCase #TrueCrimeNews #LegalBreakdown #RichardAllenCase #Depositions #CourtRecords #CrimeInvestigation #TimelineAnalysis #HiddenKillers #JusticeReview Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Today, defense attorney Bob Motta and I take a hard look at one of the most troubling aspects of the Delphi murder investigation: the leads that were dismissed, minimized, or never meaningfully followed. The depositions show something the public has never had a clear window into — investigators explaining why certain suspects weren't pursued, why certain statements didn't matter, why symbolic elements of the crime scene were ignored, and why potentially exculpatory information was either downplayed or outright forgotten. In this conversation, Bob breaks down how two individuals tied to the Odinism angle — individuals whose behavior should have triggered deeper investigation — were inexplicably filed as “no further action.” One made a disturbing comment about whether his DNA would be found on the girls. The other posted imagery eerily similar to the crime scene and owned a .40-caliber handgun that was never seized or tested. These aren't fringe details. These are red flags. Massive ones. Yet the investigative record treats them as footnotes. Bob and I go through why leads like these get dropped, how narrative lock affects decision-making, and what happens when the pressure to find “the right suspect” overshadows the obligation to explore every suspect. We cover the symbolic patterns on the girls' bodies, the missing tree-origin analysis on the sticks, the late disclosure of the Odinism file, and the dissonance between what investigators told the public versus what they swore to in depositions. This isn't speculation. It's not theory. It's the investigators themselves, under oath, explaining why critical evidence was set aside — and whether that decision is now going to haunt the state on appeal. If you want to understand the investigative blind spots in the Delphi case, this is the episode. #Delphi #RichardAllen #TrueCrimeAnalysis #IgnoredEvidence #LegalInsights #DelphiDepositions #CrimeSceneReview #JusticeSystem #HiddenKillers #InvestigativeFailures Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two families. Two nightmares. One broken system. In this Hidden Killers double-feature, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta examine two cases that reveal the same haunting theme — what happens when justice fails. First, they unpack the Melodee Buzzard investigation, where a mother is behind bars but her daughter is still missing, leaving a trail of disguises and unanswered questions. Then, they turn to Aaron Spencer, the Arkansas father accused of second-degree murder after confronting the man previously charged with assaulting his child. Both stories share a chilling common thread: institutions meant to protect the vulnerable didn't — and ordinary people were left to face the consequences. Bob Motta breaks down the legal mechanics, the prosecutorial framing, and the human cost of a system that too often arrives too late. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #TonyBrueski #MelodeeBuzzard #AaronSpencer #AshleeBuzzard #TrueCrime #JusticeSystem #VigilanteOrProtector #BrokenSystem Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two families. Two nightmares. One broken system. In this Hidden Killers double-feature, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta examine two cases that reveal the same haunting theme — what happens when justice fails. First, they unpack the Melodee Buzzard investigation, where a mother is behind bars but her daughter is still missing, leaving a trail of disguises and unanswered questions. Then, they turn to Aaron Spencer, the Arkansas father accused of second-degree murder after confronting the man previously charged with assaulting his child. Both stories share a chilling common thread: institutions meant to protect the vulnerable didn't — and ordinary people were left to face the consequences. Bob Motta breaks down the legal mechanics, the prosecutorial framing, and the human cost of a system that too often arrives too late. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #TonyBrueski #MelodeeBuzzard #AaronSpencer #AshleeBuzzard #TrueCrime #JusticeSystem #VigilanteOrProtector #BrokenSystem Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two families. Two nightmares. One broken system. In this Hidden Killers double-feature, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta examine two cases that reveal the same haunting theme — what happens when justice fails. First, they unpack the Melodee Buzzard investigation, where a mother is behind bars but her daughter is still missing, leaving a trail of disguises and unanswered questions. Then, they turn to Aaron Spencer, the Arkansas father accused of second-degree murder after confronting the man previously charged with assaulting his child. Both stories share a chilling common thread: institutions meant to protect the vulnerable didn't — and ordinary people were left to face the consequences. Bob Motta breaks down the legal mechanics, the prosecutorial framing, and the human cost of a system that too often arrives too late. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #TonyBrueski #MelodeeBuzzard #AaronSpencer #AshleeBuzzard #TrueCrime #JusticeSystem #VigilanteOrProtector #BrokenSystem Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two families. Two nightmares. One broken system. In this Hidden Killers double-feature, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta examine two cases that reveal the same haunting theme — what happens when justice fails. First, they unpack the Melodee Buzzard investigation, where a mother is behind bars but her daughter is still missing, leaving a trail of disguises and unanswered questions. Then, they turn to Aaron Spencer, the Arkansas father accused of second-degree murder after confronting the man previously charged with assaulting his child. Both stories share a chilling common thread: institutions meant to protect the vulnerable didn't — and ordinary people were left to face the consequences. Bob Motta breaks down the legal mechanics, the prosecutorial framing, and the human cost of a system that too often arrives too late. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #TonyBrueski #MelodeeBuzzard #AaronSpencer #AshleeBuzzard #TrueCrime #JusticeSystem #VigilanteOrProtector #BrokenSystem Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The Lonoke County Prosecutor is calling it vigilante justice. The defense calls it a father protecting his child. In this Hidden Killers interview, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta unpack the State's new filing in the Aaron Spencer case — a motion to use body-cam footage recorded three months before the shooting. In it, Spencer, furious after learning his daughter had been assaulted, tells deputies he doesn't trust the system and says, “Sometimes you've got to handle things yourself.” The prosecution wants those words played for jurors as proof of premeditation. The defense argues they show grief and disbelief, not intent. Bob Motta explains how prosecutors use Rule 404(b) to sway perception, how the defense fights back, and why this single piece of evidence could define the case. This is the battle over emotion versus law, instinct versus restraint — and what happens when the justice system fails before a father ever pulls the trigger. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #AaronSpencer #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #ArkansasCase #VigilanteOrProtector #JusticeSystem #Rule404b #SelfDefense Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

A missing nine-year-old. A mother in handcuffs. A timeline that makes no sense. In this Hidden Killers exclusive, Tony Brueski sits down with defense attorney Bob Motta to dissect the bizarre twists in the Melodee Buzzard disappearance. Ashlee Buzzard, the child's mother, is now facing a felony false-imprisonment charge — a development investigators say isn't directly tied to Melodee's disappearance, but raises serious questions about control, motive, and manipulation. Tony and Bob walk through the confusing chronology — the wigs, the license-plate swap, and the unexplained road trip that ended with a child gone and a mother behind bars. Bob explains how law enforcement sometimes files “unrelated” charges to pressure cooperation, how prosecutors build leverage without tipping their full hand, and why the public is often left with half the story. This isn't just a missing-child case. It's a look at how families fracture under secrecy, and how investigators read between the lines when no one is talking. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #MelodeeBuzzard #AshleeBuzzard #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #MissingChild #BuzzardCase #Investigation #Justice Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two families. Two nightmares. One broken system. In this Hidden Killers double-feature, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta examine two cases that reveal the same haunting theme — what happens when justice fails. First, they unpack the Melodee Buzzard investigation, where a mother is behind bars but her daughter is still missing, leaving a trail of disguises and unanswered questions. Then, they turn to Aaron Spencer, the Arkansas father accused of second-degree murder after confronting the man previously charged with assaulting his child. Both stories share a chilling common thread: institutions meant to protect the vulnerable didn't — and ordinary people were left to face the consequences. Bob Motta breaks down the legal mechanics, the prosecutorial framing, and the human cost of a system that too often arrives too late. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #TonyBrueski #MelodeeBuzzard #AaronSpencer #AshleeBuzzard #TrueCrime #JusticeSystem #VigilanteOrProtector #BrokenSystem Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

A missing nine-year-old. A mother in handcuffs. A timeline that makes no sense. In this Hidden Killers exclusive, Tony Brueski sits down with defense attorney Bob Motta to dissect the bizarre twists in the Melodee Buzzard disappearance. Ashlee Buzzard, the child's mother, is now facing a felony false-imprisonment charge — a development investigators say isn't directly tied to Melodee's disappearance, but raises serious questions about control, motive, and manipulation. Tony and Bob walk through the confusing chronology — the wigs, the license-plate swap, and the unexplained road trip that ended with a child gone and a mother behind bars. Bob explains how law enforcement sometimes files “unrelated” charges to pressure cooperation, how prosecutors build leverage without tipping their full hand, and why the public is often left with half the story. This isn't just a missing-child case. It's a look at how families fracture under secrecy, and how investigators read between the lines when no one is talking. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #MelodeeBuzzard #AshleeBuzzard #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #MissingChild #BuzzardCase #Investigation #Justice Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The Lonoke County Prosecutor is calling it vigilante justice. The defense calls it a father protecting his child. In this Hidden Killers interview, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta unpack the State's new filing in the Aaron Spencer case — a motion to use body-cam footage recorded three months before the shooting. In it, Spencer, furious after learning his daughter had been assaulted, tells deputies he doesn't trust the system and says, “Sometimes you've got to handle things yourself.” The prosecution wants those words played for jurors as proof of premeditation. The defense argues they show grief and disbelief, not intent. Bob Motta explains how prosecutors use Rule 404(b) to sway perception, how the defense fights back, and why this single piece of evidence could define the case. This is the battle over emotion versus law, instinct versus restraint — and what happens when the justice system fails before a father ever pulls the trigger. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #AaronSpencer #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #ArkansasCase #VigilanteOrProtector #JusticeSystem #Rule404b #SelfDefense Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

A missing nine-year-old. A mother in handcuffs. A timeline that makes no sense. In this Hidden Killers exclusive, Tony Brueski sits down with defense attorney Bob Motta to dissect the bizarre twists in the Melodee Buzzard disappearance. Ashlee Buzzard, the child's mother, is now facing a felony false-imprisonment charge — a development investigators say isn't directly tied to Melodee's disappearance, but raises serious questions about control, motive, and manipulation. Tony and Bob walk through the confusing chronology — the wigs, the license-plate swap, and the unexplained road trip that ended with a child gone and a mother behind bars. Bob explains how law enforcement sometimes files “unrelated” charges to pressure cooperation, how prosecutors build leverage without tipping their full hand, and why the public is often left with half the story. This isn't just a missing-child case. It's a look at how families fracture under secrecy, and how investigators read between the lines when no one is talking. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #MelodeeBuzzard #AshleeBuzzard #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #MissingChild #BuzzardCase #Investigation #Justice Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

The Lonoke County Prosecutor is calling it vigilante justice. The defense calls it a father protecting his child. In this Hidden Killers interview, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta unpack the State's new filing in the Aaron Spencer case — a motion to use body-cam footage recorded three months before the shooting. In it, Spencer, furious after learning his daughter had been assaulted, tells deputies he doesn't trust the system and says, “Sometimes you've got to handle things yourself.” The prosecution wants those words played for jurors as proof of premeditation. The defense argues they show grief and disbelief, not intent. Bob Motta explains how prosecutors use Rule 404(b) to sway perception, how the defense fights back, and why this single piece of evidence could define the case. This is the battle over emotion versus law, instinct versus restraint — and what happens when the justice system fails before a father ever pulls the trigger. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #AaronSpencer #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #ArkansasCase #VigilanteOrProtector #JusticeSystem #Rule404b #SelfDefense Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Two families. Two nightmares. One broken system. In this Hidden Killers double-feature, Tony Brueski and Bob Motta examine two cases that reveal the same haunting theme — what happens when justice fails. First, they unpack the Melodee Buzzard investigation, where a mother is behind bars but her daughter is still missing, leaving a trail of disguises and unanswered questions. Then, they turn to Aaron Spencer, the Arkansas father accused of second-degree murder after confronting the man previously charged with assaulting his child. Both stories share a chilling common thread: institutions meant to protect the vulnerable didn't — and ordinary people were left to face the consequences. Bob Motta breaks down the legal mechanics, the prosecutorial framing, and the human cost of a system that too often arrives too late. #HiddenKillers #BobMotta #TonyBrueski #MelodeeBuzzard #AaronSpencer #AshleeBuzzard #TrueCrime #JusticeSystem #VigilanteOrProtector #BrokenSystem Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Before he killed Sonya Massey, Deputy Sean Grayson was already a walking liability — fired from department after department, discharged from the Army for misconduct, arrested for DUI, and still somehow cleared to wear a badge in Illinois. In this powerful conversation, Tony Brueski, Stacy Cole, and Todd Michaels and attorney Bob Motta expose how that happened — and why it keeps happening. From failed background checks to lax hiring standards, the system designed to protect the public instead recycles problem officers. The result: tragedy after tragedy. Grayson's conviction for second-degree murder feels hollow when the larger machine that put him in that kitchen still runs unchecked. Tony and Bob unpack the loopholes, the union protections, and the culture of silence that let Grayson slip through every filter. They also explore Illinois' new “Sonya's Law,” the state's attempt to patch the holes after it was too late — and whether any of it will stop the next preventable death. Hidden Killers — where we hold the system accountable, one case at a time. #SonyaMassey #SeanGrayson #PoliceReform #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BobMotta #TrueCrime #JusticeForSonya #SystemicFailure #LawEnforcement #Accountability #Podcast Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Before he killed Sonya Massey, Deputy Sean Grayson was already a walking liability — fired from department after department, discharged from the Army for misconduct, arrested for DUI, and still somehow cleared to wear a badge in Illinois. In this powerful conversation, Tony Brueski, Stacy Cole, and Todd Michaels and attorney Bob Motta expose how that happened — and why it keeps happening. From failed background checks to lax hiring standards, the system designed to protect the public instead recycles problem officers. The result: tragedy after tragedy. Grayson's conviction for second-degree murder feels hollow when the larger machine that put him in that kitchen still runs unchecked. Tony and Bob unpack the loopholes, the union protections, and the culture of silence that let Grayson slip through every filter. They also explore Illinois' new “Sonya's Law,” the state's attempt to patch the holes after it was too late — and whether any of it will stop the next preventable death. Hidden Killers — where we hold the system accountable, one case at a time. #SonyaMassey #SeanGrayson #PoliceReform #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BobMotta #TrueCrime #JusticeForSonya #SystemicFailure #LawEnforcement #Accountability #Podcast Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Before he killed Sonya Massey, Deputy Sean Grayson was already a walking liability — fired from department after department, discharged from the Army for misconduct, arrested for DUI, and still somehow cleared to wear a badge in Illinois. In this powerful conversation, Tony Brueski, Stacy Cole, and Todd Michaels and attorney Bob Motta expose how that happened — and why it keeps happening. From failed background checks to lax hiring standards, the system designed to protect the public instead recycles problem officers. The result: tragedy after tragedy. Grayson's conviction for second-degree murder feels hollow when the larger machine that put him in that kitchen still runs unchecked. Tony and Bob unpack the loopholes, the union protections, and the culture of silence that let Grayson slip through every filter. They also explore Illinois' new “Sonya's Law,” the state's attempt to patch the holes after it was too late — and whether any of it will stop the next preventable death. Hidden Killers — where we hold the system accountable, one case at a time. #SonyaMassey #SeanGrayson #PoliceReform #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BobMotta #TrueCrime #JusticeForSonya #SystemicFailure #LawEnforcement #Accountability #Podcast Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

She called 911 for help. And they sent her a bullet. When 36-year-old Sonya Massey phoned the Sangamon County Sheriff's Office on a quiet July night, she thought officers would protect her. Instead, Deputy Sean Grayson — a man with a trail of DUIs, firings, and a dishonorable discharge — shot her in the face inside her own kitchen. In this episode of Hidden Killers, Tony Brueski sits down with defense attorney and Defense Diaries host Bob Motta to dissect a verdict that's enraged a nation. A jury found Grayson guilty of second-degree murder — not first — despite crystal-clear bodycam footage showing an unarmed woman holding a pot of water, doing exactly what officers asked. How does someone with Grayson's record keep getting hired? Why did the system that should have screened him out instead hand him a gun? And what does this verdict say about how America still treats police violence as a “mistake,” not a crime? Tony and Bob dive into the broken hiring pipeline, the psychology of a cop who panics behind a badge, and the legal gymnastics that turn murder into “imperfect self-defense.” Hidden Killers — because “serving and protecting” shouldn't mean burying the evidence. #SonyaMassey #SeanGrayson #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BobMotta #PoliceAccountability #JusticeForSonya #TrueCrimePodcast #Bodycam #PoliceReform #LegalAnalysis Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Before he killed Sonya Massey, Deputy Sean Grayson was already a walking liability — fired from department after department, discharged from the Army for misconduct, arrested for DUI, and still somehow cleared to wear a badge in Illinois. In this powerful conversation, Tony Brueski, Stacy Cole, and Todd Michaels and attorney Bob Motta expose how that happened — and why it keeps happening. From failed background checks to lax hiring standards, the system designed to protect the public instead recycles problem officers. The result: tragedy after tragedy. Grayson's conviction for second-degree murder feels hollow when the larger machine that put him in that kitchen still runs unchecked. Tony and Bob unpack the loopholes, the union protections, and the culture of silence that let Grayson slip through every filter. They also explore Illinois' new “Sonya's Law,” the state's attempt to patch the holes after it was too late — and whether any of it will stop the next preventable death. Hidden Killers — where we hold the system accountable, one case at a time. #SonyaMassey #SeanGrayson #PoliceReform #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BobMotta #TrueCrime #JusticeForSonya #SystemicFailure #LawEnforcement #Accountability #Podcast Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

After weeks of testimony and emotional bodycam footage, the jury finally spoke: Sean Grayson is guilty of second-degree murder for killing Sonya Massey — the unarmed woman who called 911 for help. But “second-degree” feels like a technicality, not justice. In this Hidden Killers exclusive, Tony Brueski and defense attorney Bob Motta pull apart the verdict, the courtroom strategy, and the dangerous precedent it sets. How did prosecutors lose the first-degree charge when the evidence seemed iron-clad? Did the defense successfully reframe Grayson's panic as “fear for his life”? Together they analyze how “imperfect self-defense” keeps shielding officers from full accountability, why juries hesitate to call it murder when the killer wears a badge, and what this means for police reform going forward. This isn't about one bad cop — it's about a system that keeps lowering the bar for justice. Hidden Killers — real verdicts, raw truth. #SeanGrayson #SonyaMassey #BobMotta #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #JusticeForSonya #PoliceShooting #LegalBreakdown #CourtAnalysis #Accountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

She called 911 for help. And they sent her a bullet. When 36-year-old Sonya Massey phoned the Sangamon County Sheriff's Office on a quiet July night, she thought officers would protect her. Instead, Deputy Sean Grayson — a man with a trail of DUIs, firings, and a dishonorable discharge — shot her in the face inside her own kitchen. In this episode of Hidden Killers, Tony Brueski sits down with defense attorney and Defense Diaries host Bob Motta to dissect a verdict that's enraged a nation. A jury found Grayson guilty of second-degree murder — not first — despite crystal-clear bodycam footage showing an unarmed woman holding a pot of water, doing exactly what officers asked. How does someone with Grayson's record keep getting hired? Why did the system that should have screened him out instead hand him a gun? And what does this verdict say about how America still treats police violence as a “mistake,” not a crime? Tony and Bob dive into the broken hiring pipeline, the psychology of a cop who panics behind a badge, and the legal gymnastics that turn murder into “imperfect self-defense.” Hidden Killers — because “serving and protecting” shouldn't mean burying the evidence. #SonyaMassey #SeanGrayson #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BobMotta #PoliceAccountability #JusticeForSonya #TrueCrimePodcast #Bodycam #PoliceReform #LegalAnalysis Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

After weeks of testimony and emotional bodycam footage, the jury finally spoke: Sean Grayson is guilty of second-degree murder for killing Sonya Massey — the unarmed woman who called 911 for help. But “second-degree” feels like a technicality, not justice. In this Hidden Killers exclusive, Tony Brueski and defense attorney Bob Motta pull apart the verdict, the courtroom strategy, and the dangerous precedent it sets. How did prosecutors lose the first-degree charge when the evidence seemed iron-clad? Did the defense successfully reframe Grayson's panic as “fear for his life”? Together they analyze how “imperfect self-defense” keeps shielding officers from full accountability, why juries hesitate to call it murder when the killer wears a badge, and what this means for police reform going forward. This isn't about one bad cop — it's about a system that keeps lowering the bar for justice. Hidden Killers — real verdicts, raw truth. #SeanGrayson #SonyaMassey #BobMotta #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #TrueCrime #JusticeForSonya #PoliceShooting #LegalBreakdown #CourtAnalysis #Accountability Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872

Before he killed Sonya Massey, Deputy Sean Grayson was already a walking liability — fired from department after department, discharged from the Army for misconduct, arrested for DUI, and still somehow cleared to wear a badge in Illinois. In this powerful conversation, Tony Brueski, Stacy Cole, and Todd Michaels and attorney Bob Motta expose how that happened — and why it keeps happening. From failed background checks to lax hiring standards, the system designed to protect the public instead recycles problem officers. The result: tragedy after tragedy. Grayson's conviction for second-degree murder feels hollow when the larger machine that put him in that kitchen still runs unchecked. Tony and Bob unpack the loopholes, the union protections, and the culture of silence that let Grayson slip through every filter. They also explore Illinois' new “Sonya's Law,” the state's attempt to patch the holes after it was too late — and whether any of it will stop the next preventable death. Hidden Killers — where we hold the system accountable, one case at a time. #SonyaMassey #SeanGrayson #PoliceReform #HiddenKillers #TonyBrueski #BobMotta #TrueCrime #JusticeForSonya #SystemicFailure #LawEnforcement #Accountability #Podcast Want to comment and watch this podcast as a video? Check out our YouTube Channel. https://www.youtube.com/@hiddenkillerspod Instagram https://www.instagram.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Facebook https://www.facebook.com/hiddenkillerspod/ Tik-Tok https://www.tiktok.com/@hiddenkillerspod X Twitter https://x.com/tonybpod Listen Ad-Free On Apple Podcasts Here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/true-crime-today-premium-plus-ad-free-advance-episode/id1705422872