Truth & Justice with Bob Ruff

Bob and Jim chat about the changes and the future of Real Crime Profile, and have a fantastic in-depth discussion about the Netflix series "Baby Reindeer." Make sure to check out Jim's other podcast "Best Case Worst Case" and his new Audible Original "Bluebeard". The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Janet and Zaq discuss the upcoming Season 15 premier, the interview with Jim Clemente, Baby Reindeer and the Kay Alana Turner newly released body cam footage. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Host Bob Ruff begins his journey into investigating a potential wrongful conviction in the City of Benton Harbor, Michigan. Bob, a High School Broadcast Journalism Teacher, is joined by two of his students as together they promises to tell the stories of a community who feels ignored by their City Leadership, and reveal the truth in the tragic murder of Demorrio Lowes. In this season premiere episode we learn the history and background of the City of Benton Harbor, and discover how this once thriving hub of industry and entertainment devolved into an impoverished community plagued by violence. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth Better Help - Go to BetterHelp.com/truth to get 10% off your first month.

Bob, Zaq and Janet have an in-depth discussion about the season 15 premiere episode, and answer several listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob breaks down Demorrio Lowes victimology. We learn about the armed robbery attempt that he escaped days before his murder, his movements and who he was with on the night of, as as well as the details and timing of the attack that tragically took his life. Bob also shares and addresses his correspondences with Benton Harbor Public Safety Director Dan McGinnis. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: The True Crime Obsessed Podcast - Available anywhere you get your podcasts. Greenlight – Get your first month free when you go to Greenlight.com/truth

I'm reposting this interview from a few years ago with former Benton Harbor Police Officer, Andrew Collins. Andrew was caught planting evidence and stealing on the job, and has been trying to make things right since he got out of prison. This is a good look into the culture in the Benton Harbor Police Department in the early 2000's, around the time of Jodi's arrest.

Bob, Zaq and Janet dig deeper into Demorrio Lowes' victimology, and the events leading up to his murder. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: Better Help - Go to BetterHelp.com/truth to get 10% off your first month.

This week we hear directly from Jodi for the first time. Bob breaks down the details of Jodi's alibi, and Jodi themself talks about their transition, life in prison as a non-binary person, and tells us directly what they were doing on the night Demorrio Lowes was murdered. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet answer listener questions about Jodi's alibi. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob proves without any shadow of a doubt that DeMorrio Lowes was not murdered at 12:40am, as claimed by McGinnis. We learn how Jodi's alibi was deconstructed at trial, and hear directly from the State's key witness at trial. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss crime scene timing, Sonya Lucas's testimony and affidavit, as well as Bob's recent contact with the Attorney General's Conviction Integrity Unit. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: Factor – Go to FactorMeals.com/truth50 and use code “truth50” to get 50% off your first box and 20% off your next month.

Bob digs into the evidence as we breakdown the various crime scene investigative reports, the autopsy and forensic analysis results. What actually happened to DeMorrio Lowes, and who could have been responsible? The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq and Janet have an in-depth discussion about the forensics and layout of the crime scene of DeMorrio Lowes' murder. They breakdown the layout of the scene, and really get into the weeds regarding the firearm used. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob breaks down a major element of the case against Jodi Hill. At trial the State convinced the jury that Jodi was part of an armed robbery attempt on DeMorrio Lowes, which served as their motive to silence him. The reality of the situation is mind boggling. In this episode Jodi explains what they know about the robbery, and we learn how that information matters when it comes to the fairness of Jodi's trial. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: Naked Wines – To get Naked Wine's 6 bottle for $39.99 offer, head to NakedWines.com/Truth and use code TRUTH for both the code AND password.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the robbery and Sturgill's misidentification of Jodi. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

There are two names that are littered throughout the DeMorrio Lowes murder book. Jodi Hill, and Carveail Miles. There were just as many people in the city of Benton Harbor that believed Carveail was responsible for Mario's murder as there were that believed Jodi was responsible. The Miles family is present in nearly every element of the investigation. Bob breaks it all down in this complex . . . and confusing episode. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Greenlight – Get your first month free when you go to Greenlight.com/truth Better Help - Go to BetterHelp.com/truth to get 10% off your first month. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Carveail Miles's possible involvement inn the murder of Demario Lowes and answer listener questions. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. TODAY'S SPONSORS: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Jodi Hill was connected to the scene of DeMorrio's murder by a witness who claimed to be able to positively identify Jodi's car, based on the sound. The story is pretty wild, evolves and changes over time, and is once again connected to the Miles family. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Victoria Miles's identification of Jodi's car and answer listener questions. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off.   The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down for an emotional discussion with the mother, grandmother and brother of Darius Wimberly. Darius was shot and killed by Benton Harbor Police Officers on October 18, 2016. The official story was that officers were at a call regarding someone being held at gunpoint, when Darius started shooting at them from the street. According to his mother, the official story is a lie. She believes that her son was murdered by the Benton Harbor Department of Public Safety. LINK TO BODYCAM VIDEO The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Factor – Go to FactorMeals.com/truth50 and use code “truth50” to get 50% off your first box and 20% off your next month. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet try to make sense of what actually happened regarding the shooting of Darius Wimberly and answer listener questions.  Body Cam Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXI6lwdTBlU Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

After covering the witness testimony that helped to convict Jodi for the murder of DeMorrio Lowes, this week we move into the physical evidence presented at trial. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss the physical evidence in the case and answer listener questions. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Part of the evidence used by the State to convince the jury that Jodi was guilty was a series of notes (AKA kites) that Jodi sent while they were in jail. We learn about the kites, and the jailhouse snitch that testified at trial. Terrance Hunter testified that Jodi confessed to him. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the kites, the jailhouse snitch, and Jodi's testimony and answer listener questions. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob explores the statements and testimonies of two eye witnesses to DeMorrio Lowes' murder. One key witness was excluded from the trial, because her story disproves the State's entire case. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: Soul – Head to GetSoul.com and use code “TRUTH” for 30% off your order.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the other witnesses and the effect they have on Victoria Miles' story and answer listener questions. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

An entire group of witnesses all coordinate to create a completely false narrative. Is there goal to help the State build a case against Jodi...or is the purpose simply to protect someone else? Bob lays out the data, and poses the question to you. Why? The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the murder of Marcellus Williams by the state of Missouri, Shadess Wells message from Leon Nucomb, and the whereabouts of DeMario on the night he was murdered and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Lumen – Get 15% off of your Lumen at Lumen.me/truth Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off.

This episode is short and sweet. Bob shares a number of public cases that highlight the Benton Harbor Police Department's pattern of corruption over the span of 1995 - 2003. Research for this episode was completed primarily by listener Caroline Dwyer, with additional research by Ericka Bergenham. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: Soul – Head to GetSoul.com and use code “TRUTH” for 30% off your order.

Bob and Zaq discuss the pattern of behavior in the Benton Harbor Police Department and answer listener questions. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob breaks down Lead Detective, Dan McGinnis' trial testimony. We learn some new details about the crime scene, and discover a few discrepancies from the original police reports. We also hear how McGinnis' testimony boxed Jodi into a corner, leaving them with no other choice but to take the stand in their own defense. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob and Janet go over McGinnis' testimony and his version of Jodi's interview, as well as corruption in the Benton Harbor Police Department and answer listener questions.   Today's Sponsors: Naked Wines – To get Naked Wine's 6 bottle for $39.99 offer, head to NakedWines.com/Truth and use code TRUTH for both the code AND password.   1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth   The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off.

After McGinnis' damning version of events was shared with the jury, Jodi Hill was left with no other choice than to take the stand themself in their own defense. In this episode, Bob breaks down Jodi's trial testimony. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Jodi's testimony and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Get tickets to the Berkshire Podcast Festival at BerkshirePodcastFestival.com.  Use promo code “FALLINTOTHESOUND” for 20% off.

Is Jodi's alibi corroborated by the people they were with on the night of the murder? Today we find out what Princella, LaShunn, Cornelius, Sharelle and Nadia testified to at trial. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth Factor – Go to FactorMeals.com/truth50 and use code “truth50” to get 50% off your first box and 20% off your next month. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the alibi witnesses, time card, and their credibility and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Lumen – Get 15% off of your Lumen at Lumen.me/truth 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob is joined by Dakarai Larriett. Dakarai was pulled over, harassed and arrested for breaking no laws in the City of Benton Harbor this spring. After his release, he FOIA'd the body cam footage which revealed some startling actions by the arresting officers. Follow Dakarai on YouTube at https://www.youtube.com/@dakarail The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Janet, and Zaq discuss Bob's trip to Texas, Dakarai Larriett, and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob breaks down Prosecutor Art Cotter's closing argument from Jodi's murder trial. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the State's closing argument, Jodi's attorney, and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Uncommon Goods – Go to UncommonGoods.com/truth for 15% off. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob breaks down Defense Attorney Ernie White's closing argument, and Prosecutor Art Cotter's rebuttal. We learn how Jodi's trial came to its conclusion before the jury was sent to deliberate. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: Naked Wines – To get Naked Wine's 6 bottle for $39.99 offer, head to NakedWines.com/Truth and use code TRUTH for both the code AND password.

Bob and Janet discuss the Defense Closing arguments and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Uncommon Goods – Go to UncommonGoods.com/truth for 15% off. Factor – Go to FactorMeals.com/truth50 and use code “truth50” to get 50% off your first box and 20% off your next month.   1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Frustration in the lackluster job done by Jodi's trial attorney, leads Bob to create and deliver his own closing argument. He walks a hypothetical jury through the evidence presented at trial, and makes a strong case for a verdict of Not Guilty. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob and Zaq talk about Bob's closing argument in depth and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsor: Uncommon Goods – Go to UncommonGoods.com/truth for 15% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob invites his good friend Bob Motta of The Defense Diaries podcast onto the show to help us make sense of Richard Allen's trial and conviction. Allen was convicted for the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams in Delphi, Indiana. After the trial many people question whether Allen is truly guilty. In this special "Bobcast" the Bob's get into the weeds, and talk about the details from the trial. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet are joined by Bob Motta of The Defense Diaries podcast to help answer lots of listener questions about the Delphi case, and the conviction of Richard Allen. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors:  Naked Wines – To get Naked Wine's 6 bottle for $39.99 offer, head to NakedWines.com/Truth and use code TRUTH for both the code AND password.  Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth   1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob is joined by listener Molly Ribble. Molly is on the fence this season. She's not convinced that Jodi is innocent or that they're guilty. She graciously offered to come on the show and have a conversation with Bob, so that they can discuss some of the issues that have left some people less than convinced of Jodi's innocence. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Factor – Go to FactorMeals.com/50truth and use code “50truth” to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Bob's interview with Molly Ribble, address some of the more convoluted parts of the case, and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth   GhostBed - Visit GhostBed.com/truth and use code TRUTH now to claim your 50% off discount. Sweet dreams this holiday season start with GhostBed! The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob is joined by the Host and Creator of the "Guilt" podcast, Ryan Wolf. Ryan has been doing incredible work in New Zealand. He's been investigating a series of cases, and working directly with law enforcement to make real progress in solving these mysteries. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Bob's interview with Ryan Wolf, the ethics of podcasting and the rewards of it, and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down with the host of the Already Gone podcast, Nina Innstead. They discuss her work on the podcast and with the Missing in Michigan organization and discuss several cases that both she and Bob's students have been working on. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth  The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq and Janet get together for a New Year's Eve celebration. The gang just hangs out, has some fun, talk about the holidays, and Bob shares what's going on with the search for a case for Season 17. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth

Bob and Ericka visit the Purdue University Center for Justice and Post-Exoneration Assistance to discuss a potential case to be investigated for Season 17. After a productive day of analyzing the case, Dr. Jackson and exoneree Timmy Donald join Bob for an interview to discuss the work being done at the center. To donate to the center please CLICK HERE. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Bob's interview with Dr. Nicky Ali Jackson, the Reid technique, and answer listener questions. Today's Sponsors: OneSkin - Get 15% off OneSkin with the code JUSTICE at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Acorns - Head to acorns.com/Truth or download the Acorns app to start saving and investing for your future today! The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

At the request of listener Laurie Bell, Ericka spent this week researching the tragic disappearance of a 7 year old boy from Portland, Oregon in June of 2010. If you have any information on the disappearance of Kyron Horman, please call 503-988-0560, or email tips@mcso.us For more information on the case, you can visit any of the following links: https://www.mcso.us/open-unsolved-cases/kyron-horman  https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/kyron-richard-horman https://www.thekhf.org/missing-children/kyronhorman Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth   The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob and Zaq discuss the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, talk about possible theories, and answer listener questions. If you have any information on the disappearance of Kyron Horman, please call 503-988-0560, or email tips@mcso.us The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down with Investigative Journalist and Podcaster Delia D'Ambra to discuss her work on the Counterclock Podcast. We learn about the investigative process Delia uses, and some details about her Season 7 case The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob sits down with the Hosts of the new podcast "Murder on Songbird Road". They discuss the tragic 2020 murder of 11 year old Jade Beasley, and question the integrity of the conviction of her step mother. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Bob's interview with the Hosts of "Murder on Songbird Road", Lauren Bright Pacheco and Bob Motta. They discuss what they know about the case and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down with Raelene Baker, the Doula Program Manager for the Ostara Initiative. They discuss the need for support for pregnant and parenting people in prison, and the programs and support the Ostara Initiative currently provides for those in need. Learn more about the Ostara Initiative or donate at their website: https://www.ostarainitiative.org/ The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.   Today's sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Janet is out on assignment, and Bob and Zaq do their best to hold down the fort. The guys answer listener questions about Raelene Baker's work at the Minnesota Prison Doula Project, and have an indepth discussion about prison reform. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down with the Host and Creator of the Rainbow Crimes podcast. CJ talks about her journey creating a show that spreads awareness about crimes involving a marginalized community, and speaks about a couple of the cases that she's covered. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob and Janet talk about Bob's class, Bob's interview with C.J. from Rainbow Crimes, and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Acorns - Head to acorns.com/Truth or download the Acorns app to get started. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down again with Bob Motta to discuss recent revelations and updates about the Delphi case. Today's Sponsors: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth  1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth  The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob and Janet discuss Bob's interview with Bob Motta, new information learned about the Delphi case, and answer listener questions Today's Sponsors: Naked Wines – To get Naked Wine's 6 bottle for $39.99 offer, head to NakedWines.com/Truth and use code TRUTH for both the code AND password. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down with Josh and Dakota from the Somewhere in the Pines podcast. Produced by Josh Hallmark's Studio Both/And, Somewhere in the Pines is an action packed podcast that takes listeners along the journey as Josh and Dakota work with the FBI to search for caches left behind by Israel Keyes.  Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth Beam - If you want to try Beam's best-selling Dream Powder, get up to 40% off for a limited time when you go to shopbeam.com/TRUTH and use code TRUTH at checkout. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Bob's interview with Josh and Dakota from Somewhere In The Pines, tease Bobs students' podcast, and answer a variety of listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Soul – Head to GetSoul.com and use code “TRUTH” for 30% off your order. Beam – Go to ShopBeam.com/truth and use code “TRUTH” for 40% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

After a busy week of developments in the Adnan Syed case, and the West Memphis Three case, Bob goes live with listeners to help breakdown and make sense of his week's case activity. The majority of the episode focuses on Ivan Bates' recent decision to withdraw his office's Motion to Vacate Adnan's convictions, and Wednesday's JRA hearing.  Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth   The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob and Zaq talk Delphi, go over last week's episode and Ivan Bates' decision to withdraw the Motion to Vacate Adnan's conviction, and answer listen questions.  Today's Sponsors: Fabric by Gerber Life – Apply today in just minutes at MeetFabric.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob shares the latest on the DNA testing in the West Memphis Three case, and replays a remastered analysis of the famous Misskelley Confessions that led to 18 years of false imprisonment of Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jesse Misskelley. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the Misskelley Confessions, DNA testing, and answers listener questions Today's Sponsors: Beam – Go to ShopBeam.com/truth and use code “TRUTH” for 40% off. OneSkin - Get 15% off OneSkin with the code "JUSTICE" at https://www.oneskin.co/#oneskinpod The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob sits down with a group of his students, from his Investigative Journalism, to discuss their experiences in created the "Underestimated" podcast. We hear all about the process, how the class has been meaningful to them, and how these students have been genuinely impacted by looking outside of their own bubble to try to make a difference in the world. Subscribe to Underestimated on Apple Podcasts by clicking HERE. Subscribe to Underestimated on Spotify by clicking HERE. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Naked Wines – To get Naked Wine's 6 bottle for $39.99 offer, head to NakedWines.com/Truth and use code TRUTH for both the code AND password. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Bobs students' podcast "Underestimated", and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob is joined by Dr. Shiloh of the L.A. Not So Confidential podcast to conduct a psychological and behavioral analysis of the recently released 43 second video taken from Libby German's phone on the day of the Delphi murders. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet go over Bob's interview with Dr. Shiloh, share their thoughts on the "Bridge Guy" video, and answer listener questions. Today's Sponsor: Beam – Go to ShopBeam.com/truth and use code “TRUTH” for 40% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob is joined by friend of the show and Illinois licensed attorney Bob Motta.  Motta attended a post conviction relief hearing in Jamie Snow's case this week, and is hear to share what happened at the hearing and what could come next.  Jamie's case was covered in depth during season 7 of Truth & Justice. Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth Soul – Head to GetSoul.com and use code “TRUTH” for 30% off your order. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob and Janet discuss Jamie Snow's post conviction relief hearing, Bob's interview with Bob Motta, and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Beam – Go to ShopBeam.com/truth and use code “TRUTH” for 40% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob is joined by the daughter of serial killer Keith Jesperson, known as the Happy Face Killer. Melissa discusses her journey through life after discovering at the age of 15 that her father was a monster. We discuss her book, podcast, and her involvement in the new Paramount+ series "Happy Face". Follow Melissa on Instagram @melissag.moore The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Bob's contact with Demario Lowes' family member, his interview with Melissa Moore, and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: OneSkin: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code JUSTICE at https://www.oneskin.co #oneskinpod The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

This week the videos of Richard Allen's police interviews/interrogations have been released to the public. In this episode Bob breaks down and analyzes the first interview of two. He discusses behavioral and word choices, and presents his assessment of Allen's guilt based solely on this interview. Next week's episode will do the same with Allen's second interview. To watch the full interview video, go to https://youtu.be/YQFekq8s1UQ?si=t1Obap9fCqpML40Z The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsor: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet are joined by Dr. Scott to discuss Bob's analysis of Richard Allen's statement. They talk about AI, Richard Allen's body language, and more. Today's Sponsors: Acorns - Head to acorns.com/Truth or download the Acorns app to get started. Mint Mobile - Shop data plans at mintmobile.com/truthandjustice The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Last week the videos of Richard Allen's police interviews/interrogations have been released to the public. In this episode Bob breaks down and analyzes the second interview. He discusses behavioral and word choices, and presents his assessment of Allen's guilt based solely on this interview. Next week's episode will do the same with Allen's confessions. Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth OneSkin -  Get 15% off OneSkin with the code JUSTICE at https://www.oneskin.co #oneskinpod The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Janet, and Dr. Scott discuss Bob's analysis of Richard Allen's second statement and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob breaks down a series of recorded phone calls that Richard Allen made from prison to his wife and mother, where he confessed to murdering Abby Williams and Libby German. We also discuss the confession allegedly made to Psychologist Dr. Wala, as well as her questionable involvement in the case. Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet are joined by Dr. Shiloh as they discuss Richard Allen's confessions, Dr. Wala, and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob examines the key evidence presented in the conviction of Richard Allen for the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German to determine if he agrees with the verdict. Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob and Janet discuss Bob's final episode questioning Richard Allen's guilt and answer listener questions.  Today's Sponsors: Naked Wines – To get Naked Wine's 6 bottle for $39.99 offer, head to NakedWines.com/Truth and use code TRUTH for both the code AND password Beam – Go to ShopBeam.com/truth and use code “TRUTH” for 40% off. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

In response to listener questions, this week Bob shares the interrogation of Chris Watts. Watts has been proven to be guilty of murdering his wife and two children. In this episode, you'll hear the evolution of his story, as he's subjected to classic Reid Technique tactics The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: Mint Mobile – Go to MintMobile.com/truthandjustice to get three months of premium wireless for just $15 per month. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss the interrogation of Chris Watts, the Reid Technique, and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob is joined by false confession expert, Alan Hirsh. Professor Hirsh has over 20 years of experience studying and testifying about the science of interrogation tactics and false confessions. You can hear more of Alan's work on his podcast "The Truth About False Confessions". Beam – Go to ShopBeam.com/truth and use code “TRUTH” for 40% off. 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob, Zaq, and Janet discuss Bob's interview with false confession expert Alan Hirsh, the Reid Technique and ethics of police lying in interrogations, and answer listener questions.  The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

This week Bob stated the second recorded police interrogation of Casey Anthony. This one is complicated because Anthony was acquitted for the murder of her daughter Caylee. However in later interviews Casey revealed that she at the very least knew a lot more about her daughter's death than she lets on in this interview. You're going to hear the same steps of the Reid Technique applied to Anthony with very different responses than what we heart from Richard Allen or Chris Watts.  Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.

Bob is joined by Damien Echols, Lorri Davis and Gillian Pensavalle. The for sit down to talk about what's been going on in the West Memphis Three case, over the last several months. We're very close to finally getting the DNA testing done that could once and for all bring Stevie, Michael and Christopher's killer to justice. For those of you who have been asking what you can do to help, this episode contains all the information you need. We NEED your help now to make this happen. Call Sonia Hagood's office at 870-819-2500, or call/text the office cell phone at 870-9191021. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live. Today's Sponsors: 1st Phorm – Get free shipping on all orders over $75, and new customers get the 1st Phorm app for free for 30 days with purchase.  You'll receive an email with the app offer after your purchase.  Get started on your fitness goals today at 1stPhorm.com/truth

DO NOT CALL SONIA HAGOOD'S OFFICE.  After the recording of this episode, Ms. Hagood communicated to Damien's attorney's that everything is moving forward as planned with the testing.  Further communication at this point, will only serve to harass the Prosecutor and distract her from doing her job.  Bob, Zaq, and Janet talk about Bob's interview with Damien Echols, Lorri Davis and Gillian Pensavalle and answer listener questions. The majority of the funding of our work comes directly from listeners, through our Patreon community.  To join Patreon, click THIS LINK.  At the $5/month level you'll get access to lots of Patreon Only BONUS EPISODES, Ad Free versions of all episodes, an hour of Patreon Exclusive video content every week, and our new weekly podcast “Pre-Game”, which drops every Wednesday.  Not to mention early access to some episodes and the ability to watch and participate in interviews live.