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New on Newstalk ZB for 2019, join Simon Barnett and Phil Gifford to discuss and debate the issues that matter most to New Zealanders. From the world stage to here at home, with the latest in news and views, you will always be in the know with Si and Phil.

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    Full Show Podcast: 07 November 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 7, 2025 117:11 Transcription Available


    Listen to the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for Friday 7 November. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 06 November 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 6, 2025 116:38 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 6th of November 2025, restrictions on freedom camping are taking away the 'freedom' part of the activity - have councils gone too far? The Hauraki Gulf has new restrictions for recreational fishermen, but not commercial. Ben Chissel is the organiser of the One Oceans protest, and he joins Tyler to discuss the subject. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 05 November 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2025 117:02 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 5th of November 2025, unemployment has hit an eight year high and we took a deep dive into that - particularly the 15 percent youth unemployment situation. Then, tales of crazy things you have seen on the roads. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 04 November 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2025 117:15 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 4th of November, building consents are up - are we beginning to see the start of a construction sector recovery? Then - mental health awareness - tips and tricks for dealing with life when times are hard. And to finish, a chat about fireworks after a tragic story of a dog being run over after being spooked by fireworks. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Robert Dunne: Movember Country Manager on the benefits of Movember

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 4, 2025 10:20 Transcription Available


    This month marks the start of Movember, a month-long movement where men put down the razors for a good cause. Movember was designed to raise awareness for men's overall health - including mental health, prostate cancer and testicular cancer. Movember Country Manager Robert Dunne joined ZB's Afternoons to explain further. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 03 November 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 3, 2025 116:39 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 1st of November 2025, it's just Tyler today as Matt was elsewhere. Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown isn't happy about the cost of the new highway north from Warkworth - he reckons it can be done cheaper. And then the great netball saga - plenty of chat on that. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 31 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 31, 2025 116:43 Transcription Available


    Listen to the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for Friday 31 October. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 30 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 30, 2025 116:34 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 30th of October, Chris Hipkins hits out at Chris Luxon for making over $600k flipping houses last year. Then - Matt has been called up for jury service. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 29 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2025 116:28 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 29th of October, a new report by NZ Initiative recommends a four year term and 50 more MPs. Then - Peter Beck told Mike Hosking this morning that it's much easier to grow overseas as New Zealand has a culture of naysayers. And employment expert Gareth Abdinor joins to answer your workplace questions. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Barry Soper: Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent on the growing calls to change MMP

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2025 9:17 Transcription Available


    More MPs and longer parliamentary terms have been deemed key to modernising a decades old electoral system. Fresh New Zealand Initiative research found 30 years on from the introduction of MMP, our parliament is in the need of a four year term and 50 more members. That would take the Parliament to 170. Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper joined the Afternoons team to discuss. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 28 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 28, 2025 116:34 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for Tuesday 28th of October - parking infringement fines almost doubled from 2023 to 2024. Matt & Tyler uncover the huge issue that is number plate theft in New Zealand. Bring back maize homes - what's with the modern obsession with breaking down walls for an open plan home? Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Martin Glynn: AA Policy Director on Auckland Transport handing out more parking fines

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 28, 2025 7:42 Transcription Available


    The number of parking fines given out by Auckland Transport's licence plate-recognition vehicles has almost doubled. New data shows shows the licence plate recognition vehicles issued more than 518,000 fines in the last year. AA Policy Director Martin Glynn joined the Afternoons team to discuss further. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Leanne Malcolm talks to Matt and Tyler about her career shift from journalism to music

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2025 5:04 Transcription Available


    Former television and radio presenter Leanne Malcolm talks to Matt and Tyler about her career shift to music. She has been making original music since 2021, under the name Gina Malcolm, and is now releasing her debut album First Rodeo. Malcolm addresses her musical identity, genre labels, and an upcoming concert. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 24 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2025 116:20 Transcription Available


    Listen to the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for Friday 24 October. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Matt and Tyler's New Zealander of the Week - 24 October

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 24, 2025 3:44 Transcription Available


    At the end of every week, Matt and Tyler name the New Zealander of the Week. It's an honour that we bestow on your behalf to someone, or something, that's had an impact on our nation over the past week. There are three nominees but can only be one winner. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 23 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 23, 2025 117:09 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 23rd of October, there's two big stories today. First, the storm hitting much of the country - our listeners kept us up to date with what was happening in their areas. Then the mega-strike - many different opinions came to the talkback lines on that one too. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 22 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 22, 2025 116:58 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 22rd of October - we discuss the age-old question of how much you need squirrelled away for a comfortable retirement. And then a subject born out a podcast interview with football legend Jurgen Klopp - about letting your kids 'win'. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 21 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 21, 2025 116:52 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 21st of October, as bad weather strikes much of the country, Matt and Tyler ask how long can you can last without power - and what does your emergency kit look like? Then a deep dive into AI and which jobs will survive, which will go, and will it create more than it destroys? Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 20 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 20, 2025 117:17 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 20th of October - Thursday sees the 'mega strike'. Basically, the public sector is walking off the job. Minister. Judith Collins has had enough and fired back. Then, our Afternoons Duo discuss achieving the right balance between being sun smart and getting the benefits of sunshine. Then getting breakfast right - the foods to eat to make sure you don't end up snapping. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Matt and Tyler's New Zealander of the Week - 17 October

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2025 3:18 Transcription Available


    At the end of every week, Matt and Tyler name the New Zealander of the Week. It's an honour that we bestow on your behalf to someone, or something, that's had an impact on our nation over the past week. There are three nominees but can only be one winner. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 17 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 17, 2025 116:27 Transcription Available


    Listen to the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for Friday 17 October. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 16 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 16, 2025 116:38 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 16th of October, the death of former Prime Minister Jim Bolger brought some warm memories from listeners - plus some great discussion about who was our greatest PM. Then a brave but fascinating chat about open relationships. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 15 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 15, 2025 116:43 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 15th of October, a report on the state of the hospitality sector has been released and it revealed, among other things, that tipping is down 40 percent. Then, a horror story in the news today that has seen a woman spend 12 weeks in hospital after a botched overseas surgery - turns out our listeners had a better track record. And to finish, some amazing stories of adoption as Jennifer Aniston says she didn't do it as she wanted her ‘own DNA'. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 14 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2025 118:19 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 14th of October, on Donald Trump's ceasefire - are we ready to give him credit? Summer jobs are becoming hard to get, what's up with that? And a white whale has been spotted off Kaikoura, which has made Matt so jealous as he has yet to see a whale! Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 13 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 13, 2025 116:59 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 13th of October 2025, the fallout from the local body elections - whose fault is the low voter turnout? Romance scams are affecting young and old - and boy did our Afternoons duo uncover some pearlers. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 10 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2025 117:05 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 10th of October 2025 - do we need to boost fines for using mobile phones while driving. Then we marked Mental Health Awareness Week with a chat with Harry Averill author of Hungry To Be Happy. And then to finish the week a hour of vegan sausage rolls and other food crimes. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Matt and Tyler's New Zealander of the Week - 10 October

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2025 3:59 Transcription Available


    Every Friday on Matt and Tyler afternoons on ZB we name the New Zealander of the week. It's an honour that we grant on your behalf to someone who has had effect on our great and beautiful nation over the past week. There are three nominees but can only be one winner. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Harry Averill: Author and mental health advocate shares his struggles with Anorexia

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 10, 2025 16:19 Transcription Available


    It's mental health awareness week in New Zealand, and Matt and Tyler are joined by author Harry Averill as he shares his own mental health battles. Averill suffered from Anorexia as a teenager, and his book 'Hungry to be Happy' details his struggle to fight a mental battle. Averill told Matt and Tyler that it started as a, 'chain of all these misinterpretations' which spiralled into Anorexia. Where to turn for help: The best first point of contact is to visit your GP. They can help assess what further support might be needed. National helplines: If you or someone you care about are in immediate physical danger to themselves or others, call 111. For more information see mentalhealth.org.nz. Need to talk? Free call or text 1737 any time for support from a trained counsellor Lifeline – 0800 543 354 (0800 LIFELINE) or free text 4357 (HELP) Suicide Crisis Helpline – 0508 828 865 (0508 TAUTOKO) Youthline – 0800 376 633, free text 234 or email or online chat What's Up? – free call 0800 942 8787 or online chat from 11am to 11pm LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 09 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 9, 2025 116:27 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 9th of October, the New Zealand Drug Foundation has released a report into our drug laws and our listeners had plenty to say about it. Then, Sharesies is launching a Mastercard debit card - we found out how it will work. And then Jane Goodall's last message to the world prompted some interesting and moving stories. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 08 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 8, 2025 116:45 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 8th of October 2025, Prime Minister Luxon says to get off the dole and go get a job digging kumara in Dargaville. Liam Dann unpacked the OCR. And to finish - maybe a new lob for the show - toilet talk after a UK start-up creates a dunny on 13 degree angle to reduce workplace toilet time. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Liam Dann: NZ Herald Business Editor at Large on the impact of the RBNZ cutting the OCR

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 8, 2025 6:16 Transcription Available


    Today's OCR cut probably won't be the last in the current cycle, according to new claims. The Reserve Bank's Monetary Policy Committee agreed to cut the cash rate 50 basis points to 2.5 percent. They expect the tough economic conditions to stop inflation getting too high. NZ Herald Business Editor at Large Liam Dann says there's definitely scope for at least one more cut. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 07 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2025 116:44 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 7th of October 2025 - Meta claims Instagram scrolling is not ‘intentionally addictive' as MPs probe social media harm. Then, fences and hedges and neighbourhood disputes. And to finish, our Afternoons duo got stuck into the issue of burnout at work. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Nikki Silvester: wellbeing coach reveals why burnout hits hard this time of year

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2025 6:39 Transcription Available


    Burnout remains a consistent concern, but experts have observed that it tends to peak as the year winds down. There's an extra dose of pressure to get everything completed by the new year - leading to a prolonged period of stress as everyone rushes to get everything done. Wellbeing coach Nikki Silvester joined the Afternoons team to discuss further. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Catherine Wedd: National MP on her new bill designed to protect young people from the dangers of social media

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 7, 2025 8:18 Transcription Available


    Social media giant Meta has tried to issue a defence, despite ongoing efforts to regulate the technology in Parliament. National MP Catherine Wedd recently put forward a member's bill to ban social media for under-16s - a plan backed by the Prime Minister. Wedd says this technology is causing harm to young people and it needs to be taken seriously. "That addiction leads to other places, it leads to cyberbullying, it leads to anxiety, it leads to depression - and we see some of our kids going into deep, dark places on social media." LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 06 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2025 117:19 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 6th of October, there's concern after a protest outside Foreign Minister Winston Peters' home - most seemed to agree it isn't the Kiwi way. Then, the Afternoons duo talked about living without a limb after revelations New Zealanders are doing so in increasing numbers. And a good meeting is a short meeting - this after Netball NZ's 10 hour wounder. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Winston Peters: NZ First leader voices support for new law banning protesters from demonstrating outside people's homes

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2025 8:08 Transcription Available


    Winston Peters supports banning protests outside of people's homes. Submissions close today on a proposed law change, to prohibit disruptive demonstrations outside private residences. Pro-Palestine demonstrators last week protested outside the Foreign Minister's Auckland home after Israeli forces intercepted a flotilla headed to Gaza, including three Kiwis. Peters says this new law aims to provide clarity. "Everyone is entitled to their peace in their neighbourhood, and if you want to protest, there's places for protesting - but it isn't outside of people's homes." LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 03 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2025 116:24 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 3rd of October 2025, Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown replied 'F OFF' to an email campaign directed at him – unbecoming or okay? Then our Afternoons duo turned their attention to First Aid – how would you do when confronted with an emergency situation? Plus they bestowed the honour of the New Zealander Of The Week. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Matt and Tyler's New Zealander of the Week - 3 October

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2025 4:25 Transcription Available


    At the end of every week, Matt and Tyler name the New Zealander of the Week. It's an honour that we bestow on your behalf to someone, or something, that's had an impact on our nation over the past week. There are three nominees but can only be one winner. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Gareth Richards: Westpac Rescue Helicopter pre-hospital and retrieval medicine doctor

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 3, 2025 10:04 Transcription Available


    Would you know what to do if you came across someone needing life-saving assistance? Whether someone's choking, bleeding, burned, or in need of CRP, knowing what to do could be the difference between life and death. Gareth Richards, a pre-hospital and retrieval medicine doctor with the Westpac Rescue Helicopter, joined Matt and Tyler to go over some of the key things people can do. LISTEN ABOVE See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 02 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 2, 2025 117:00 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 2nd of October - increasing use of tramadol and other opioids is leading to addiction concerns, and our listeners shared their experiences. And then, Tyler was looking for advice on firewood as his new place has a fireplace. Once again, the Afternoons audience didn't disappoint. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Full Show Podcast: 01 October 2025

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2025 117:16 Transcription Available


    On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 1st of October 2025, psychologist, educator and broadcaster Nigel Latta has died at 58. Family spokesperson Bridgette Tapsell shared some time with Matt and Tyler. Then there's been a plea to get behind New Zealand's world-leading gaming industry. And then PDA, public displays of affection - how much is too much? Plus to wrap things up - employment lawyer Gareth Abdinor. Get the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Podcast every weekday afternoon on iHeartRadio, or wherever you get your podcasts. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Duane Mutu: New Zealand Esports Federation founding board member on the calls to boost New Zealand's video game sector

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2025 9:35 Transcription Available


    In New Zealand's $23.8 billion tech sector, one of the country's largest and fastest-growing industries, there's growing calls to boost gaming. Industry figures have been calling on the Government to support the sector, and an editorial recently published in the NZ Herald has made a case for video games. New Zealand Esports Federation founding board member Duane Mutu joined the Afternoons team to discuss. LISTEN ABOVESee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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