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What's going on everyone? It's Steve Larsen and you listening to secret MLM Hacks radio. So here's the real mystery. How to real MLMers like us, who didn't cheat and only bug family members and friends, who want to grow a profitable home business how do we recruit A players into our down lines and create extra incomes. Yet still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives. That's the blaring question. And this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen and welcome to secret MLM Hacks radio. What's up guys hope everyone is doing fantastic and I hope that you're recruiting, and all of your selling efforts are going well. I've actually got a really cool thing to share with you guys today. Now when I first was in my very first MLM. Right? Things didn't go as I wanted to. I'm sure we've all been there before. You know, I was new I didn't know what the heck I was doing. And I didn't know oh gosh, what was that? That was like five years ago. I didn't know really ... how should I say this? I knew how to talk to people. And I actually know how to get a lot of people interested. One of the things that was really good at and I was gifted at, was getting people interested in the thing that I was talking about. And I would do it to a lot of relationships. I would do it to people who are around me all the time. And I knew how to future sell. I knew how to get people excited. And a lot of you guys listen to this episode and this podcast, you guys are probably the same. You know how to right, get people pumped. You know how to get people excited. The issue is that for me at the time, I just ... I mean, it was like every three months there was a new idea I was getting everyone excited about. And so after a while I was like this pattern, and everyone was like, "Hey, what's the thing? What's the idea the flavor of the month? What's the flavor of the quarter this time Stephen," And I'd be like, "Shut up. This is amazing. It's absolutely incredible," and it was get a little defensive about it. Well, I wanted to go through and actually show you guys ... I got to be sensitive here. Okay? Please understand, I'm being sensitive. But there's been one ... there's been a person that reached out in the past little bit here and this person was ... I don't even know how to describe this. Blaming their ... they're placing all of the responsibility of success on my shoulders, right? They came in, they got the secret MLM Hacks program. They came in and they said, "Hey look I don't want any homework." I was like, "Okay that's kind of weird." First of all, I'm not giving you homework I'm giving you stuff to build your business. Like second of all please you're going to need to drag me along the way here, and my brain ... guys my brain about exploded. I think I had a little mini conniption inside my noggin, and I went nuts. And I was like, "I will not drag you. I will not drag you." And you know I proceeded to let this individual know why. I have brought 1500 people through the process that I sell inside of secret MLM Hacks okay? A lot of people. And and what's funny is, it's not the same process as what I do in other companies and things like that. But it's very similar. There's some similar concept, similar core things. And what's funny is right of those 1600 a lot of people became millionaires. A lot of people became hundred thousandaires and tons of people made money for the first time out on the internet ever in their life. And it was exciting, and it's really cool to see that. I know this works as that's the reason why I get so passionate and frankly defensive over the thing that I sell. And I just got to say first off, like if you don't feel really defensive over what your MLM sells, when someone gets like mad about it, you're probably selling the wrong thing. Right? I stand so firmly behind ... my name is so attached to what I do. I love it. I love what I do and I know it works because I'm a product of my product. Does that make sense? And it's cool to buy from people when they're a product of their own product. Because there's passion behind it. So I'm trying to hold my tongue here for the sake of the fact that this episode's going to be on iTunes until I die. But I was mad guys. I was livid with this individual because they started accusing me of ... I don't even know. It was kind of all over the place and I felt defensive. And I immediately thought in my mind, "Well, it's okay that I'm feeling defensive because I know it works." Like right? If you don't get really ... I'm not saying defensive in like a really negative way. You know, it's not like I just went nuts on this individual, I didn't. But, I really wanted to and I felt that way, and I had to hold my tongue. I frankly had to go ... I mean like stand up and get away. I had to do other things for a while. I literally could not be even near my desk for a little bit because I was so mad about it. So happened last night and it drove me nuts. So number one anyways, if you are not passionate about your product, it's going to be really hard for you to move forward on this thing. I'm not even talking all about what I want you right now. But I just want you to know that like ... all right? If you have a hard time being passionate about your thing, the cool thing about passion is this when someone can tell that you're passionate about your product, when you're passionate about the MLM that you're in. It actually makes up for and fills up gaps for your knowledge when it comes to script writing, and how to close people and stuff like that. That stuff matters. That stuff matters to go study. But if you don't know that stuff, raw pure passion is a fantastic side step of knowing those things. Raw pure passion, just straight excitement. Remember, there's a product once one of my buddies wanted to buy, and I was like, "Dude this so cool, how does it work? He's like, "I don't know but it's cool." I was like, "Okay and I bought it," it was really expensive. Why? Not because there was a great close, but because it's of the raw pure passion. If you have that for your thing, it makes it so much better. So anyways, don't be nervous though when somebody gets mad at you or comes out and says like, "Hey, you're a fraud," or whatever. It's going to happen whatever. Anyway so when I first started the MLM game, I don't know why I got sidetracked on that. When I first got started in the game I started out ... oh, this is why. I started having a lot of conversations like that, right? Where I was like, "Hey, here's my product. Here's my MLM thing. Here's what here's the thing I'm going for." And people would get ... you know they'd start throwing the attacks. Here come the arrows. Like, "No, it's awesome because of this. Well because of this. And instead of me getting really good at dodging arrows, I decided that I would just start changing the person that I was pitching. And you guys know that's one of the major things that you learn how to do inside of secret MLM Hacks, the actual program. You learn how to change the person hearing your pitch. You also learn how to automate hearing your pitch, right? You learn how to ... and the reason why we go through this is because of this right? This right here. I want to tell you something. I think I was ... this is I don't know maybe four years ago. I was studying, I was studying, I was studying, I was trying to figure ways to grow companies and I ran across this really neat thing. I think it's by Dan Kennedy, I think so. I think, I'm not sure either Gary Halbert, I can't remember anyway. But there were only three ways to grow a company. There's only three ways to grow a company. Number one, you can get more customers, right? Number two, you can get your customers to pay more, right? Or number three, you can get your customers to pay more often, right? That's really it. Get more customers, you can get your customers to pay more cash, or you can get customers to pay more frequently, right? Maybe through some continuity thing. And that's really the holy grail of MLM. They're on auto ship, right? That means you're paying frequently anyway. So, those are really the three ways. So number one, let's say this. Okay, let's I want to get more customers, right? Well, number one, one of the things you can do is stop pitching everybody, which is completely different than what your upline will tell you to do. But by pitching everybody that is nothing more than a bloodbath for your psyche and for everything that you're going to be going through and experiencing. Right? So you're getting more customers. We call those acquisition funnels, right. I'm going to acquire customers, how can I get more people in the door? And funny enough, the majority of businesses focused just on that. I mean, business in general, right? It's just focused on just that one metric. How can I get more people in the door? Well, there's actually more ways to get cash. There's actually more ways to grow a company than just more people. Let's look at the other two. Right? Number two, right? I could get customers to pay more, right? We call this monetization funnels or how do I monetize my existing customer base? It is infinitely easier to get somebody who's already paying you to start paying you more, right? It's easier to get somebody start paying you more money than it is to go find a new person, that's all I'm trying to say. Right? It's so much more expensive, right? And an actual number proven basis and it's a fact. It costs you, far more cash to acquire customer than it does to get a customer to pay more money. So what's interesting is if you want, like sit back and start looking to the people who purchasing in your down line right? Either people who are inside your opportunity or people who are purchasing from you. If they've said yes to you one time, the second yes is so much easier. Go back to them and see what products they're not consuming from you and go offer them those products. That mere act right there of getting existing customers to pay more cash, right? Is how big companies blow up so often right? If you look at like a GORA publishing, what's fascinating is, a lot of their very first products that a new customer ever sees, it's a low ticket, it's just meant to get somebody in the door, it's just meant to get the first small yes. Then every single product, every single interaction, every single publication that, that person once they are a customer, every single thing that are consuming turns into ascending them, right? How can I ascend? How can I ascend? How can I ascend? How can I get you to pay me more cash, right? How can I get you to the next level? How can I get you to consume another product? And so when you start thinking through that I mean, look at your down lines, look at the people who are inside, what could they be also purchasing that would be a benefit to them that they're not purchasing. And make that a campaign right? Rather than just the campaign of, "Let's get more customers," there's a campaign around, "Let's just get our customers to pay more." Anyway, hopefully this is helpful so far, okay. There's a lot of companies ... not many companies focus really, really heavily on that and have an actual process in place to do that. Imagine if you were to do that inside your MLM. All right, the second thing oh sorry, the third thing, right? Get customers to pay more frequently right? In an MLM, and in your down lines, getting somebody to get on auto ship. Getting somebody to pay you month in and month out, right? That's a pretty powerful concept. That's a really ... it's extremely powerful thing to go do. And so there was obviously a huge focus on that. So if you look at the three of them, right. Getting someone to pay continuity, acquiring more people or the actual monetization ... just get ... of those three, the second one, right? So let me read it again. So you can number one acquire more customers, which the standard pitch to distributors is talk to everything as a harpy. Talk to everyone all time which is a huge way of pain right? So number one you could acquire more people. Number two you can monetize the existing people or number three you could get the existing people to pay you frequently. Get on auto ship, maybe get on a support program for other things. Some kind of ... even a little mastermind things like that, that's a super popular way to do that. But anyways of those three it's number two that people really don't do that much in the MLM space, right? So I would encourage every one of you guys to build somewhat of a campaign. A process, an event if you will, that's on purpose, that's timed to get somebody to start paying you more money, right? And say yes to that next product. Say yes to that next thing. So you can actually increase the cart value of each customer coming in, anyway. So this is kind of a tactical episode. Hopefully this is okay though. If you look at the customers, right? So more customers, get them to pay more, get them to pay more often. I like to look at those in two different areas. Number one, what's the funnel? Meaning what's the sales arm? What's the actual process to get somebody in place for that and most people don't build a specific funnel with intention just to acquire people. That's what you learn inside Secret MLM Hacks. So that's one area I like to look at things. The second area is on the business side, right? How does my business ... can my business actually handle more people? And what's funny about that is, I don't think many people ask that question for a long time either. Where they can acquire a lot of people, but the business can't handle more people, right? If you are the major linchpin in your entire down line meaning, seven layers down, all the leaders are still pointing up back to you, you're doing it wrong. Because what that's going to do, is it's actually going to make you ... that's how MLM doesn't duplicate right? It doesn't duplicate that way. If seven layers down everyone's like pointing back up to Stephen, "Look there's Stephen, Stephen, Stephen, Stephen." And then it's finally me, right? It doesn't work that way, all right? I have in essence not created leaders underneath me. So number one, can I acquire people? Number two, can my business handle it? So I like to put a process to both acquire and then a process to handle the actual people coming in. Does that make sense? So for example, I might have some funnels and some processes in place to acquire people but then once they're actually in, I'll have some funnels and some processes in place to train them automatically, which I do, right? And then when somebody joins my down line, I actually have a system that is in place, it is the same for every single person that way when I see my entire down line doesn't get something, I can go back and just change the process right? Upgrade the process. See where the process doesn't work, the automated process that way it removes me. I don't marry my down line, all right? They're still getting incredible support. They're getting far more from me than any other person in my entire MLM. I know that, they know that. But I am not the one doing the training personally each time. Why would I not just put it on a video? You know what I mean? Is this making sense? So acquiring, all right. I'll put a process in place to acquire and a process in place to train so that my business can handle them. Let's think about ... that's from a recruiting standpoint. But think about how that might work also for actual product sales sign. Now think about ... so that's category number one, let's get customers, let's get more customers. Category number two is, let's get customers to pay more frequently. I'm sorry pay more. Let's get customers to pay more cash. Let's increase the average cart value of our current customers. Let's get them to buy something else. So let's think of that like, is there a funnel that pitches? Is there a process that pitches existing customers, all right? To join the next level? Maybe your MLM ... and let's say that's from a product sales side. What if it's a business opportunity side, though? What if people have the opportunity to purchase the next rank above them or something like that? And you get a cut of that? Well, do you have a process that's the same every single time to pitch somebody from one level to the next? Or a process in place to pitch somebody once they buy their first product of yours? Pitch them on to the next product, does that make sense? So you got a funnel, that process to ascend people. Then you also have a funnel, a process for your business to handle those people. Does that make sense? It's a double sided coin. That's the reason why I am going through this real quick. Not enough just to sell, not enough just to have a great funnel, you have to have the systems in place. Okay? Then the third category right is continuity basically right? It's monthly auto ship. So the frequency. How can I increase the frequency someone's paying me? All right. Do you have a funnel that pitches somebody on paying you more frequently? Do you have a business operation in place? Do you have a process in place to handle people paying you more frequently? That make sense? Anyways, I know that, that was kind of a tactile episode, but I just wanted to go through that, right. Because one of the things as I was talking to this lady that was realizing, I was like, "This lady made it through my process, meaning my funnel sells people but it also filters people." You know, somebody who's not a good fit, I don't want the embarrassment for them to come in and then say like, "Oh, man, like that was really rough." Does that make sense? "Oh man like ugh," right, and then that makes an awkward conversation. Just like when you recruited that person who probably shouldn't be in your down line, that's in your down line, you all know who I'm talking about? Okay, we've all been there, it's totally fine, right? It's an awkward conversation eventually when you bring somebody ... and I did that my first MLM I brought in this person and I realized, "Oh my gosh, this person ... where did my funnel break?" Because this person made it through and they should have been cut out. Not that I'm trying to be mean. We're on different scenarios in life. Anyway, I hope this is helpful to you. I hope it's making sense what I'm saying here also, right? The funnel, the processes, they sell people but they also are your protector. They're the protector for you. So as you think through, start thinking through, "Hey, should I get more customers? Is that the model I'm trying to go for now? Or am I trying to take my existing customers and get them to pay more? Or am I trying to take my existing customers to get to pay more frequently." Just choose one at a time, don't go for all three at once. That's murder. But, that's what I would do though. And as you start thinking through the process that you want to go handle, think it there. Right? Number one, two or three. Get more customers, get them to pay more, get them to pay more frequently. One of those three. Start thinking through, "Okay, what's my process to acquire more and number two, how does my business handle that growth? Do I have things in place for it?" And when you start treating it that way, what's cool is that means you're actually treating your MLM business like an actual business owner would. And it puts you in places, and puts you in scenarios that other people in your up lines and down lines have not been before. Because, you're actually operating like a company, right? Not just like a solopreneur. I've never seen a rich solopreneur. I haven't. It takes a team. It takes some processes around, it takes some systems around them. Right? And that's how it works. And so if you're having a hard time scaling, and you guys are like, "I'm not selling like I want to be," Is it a funnel problem? Or is it a business operations problem? Okay, okay, cool. Well, are you trying to ... just one at a time, not all three or not two, just one. One at a time, are you trying to get more customers, are you trying to get customers to pay more, are you trying to get them to pay more frequently? And start thinking through that and only choose one at a time, look at it from the funnel side and the business side. Anyway, I feel like I said the same thing over and over again. But because I'm trying to pound it in. This is the reason why my stuff is crushing it, just so you guys know. That's the reason why my students in Secret MLM Hacks crush it, all right? That's the reason why my down line crushes it. It's because we don't just take it from the traditional MLM side, we are putting inside and we're coupling it with other practices for how things work best and sell best on the internet. And still leave the entrepreneur time to breathe and enjoy the cash they're making with the processes they put in place. Anyway guys, hopefully that's helpful would love to hear more of your questions. I think I've got a lot more questions you guys have asked. go to secretMLMHacksradio.com and you guys can ask any question you'd like. There's a green button on the bottom right, click the button and it will record your question straight off your browser and email the audio file to me. Also feel free to check out SecretMLMHacks.com and actually watch the next free web class we've got going on there. It's fantastic. It's rocking the boat a little bit. I know that, very aware of that. And if you are kind of tired of kind of the traditional ways to grow MLM and you want to use things like the internet, and automation and it's been around for a little while now, and people are telling you not to use it, go ahead and jump on over and you can see how it works best for your MLM, and your scenario. There's no pitch I'm not even telling you the name of the MLM that I'm in. I never will, because I don't want anyone to feel like there's any pitch happening. So anyway, I hope that that has been helpful to you. Excited to have you guys over there and please feel free again to rate and subscribe in my opinion this is the greatest MLM podcast that is available on iTunes and I want iTunes to know that. And so your reviews help me tremendously especially in this new age as we apply good tactics, to a great business model called MLM. Guys, thank you so much and I'll talk to you later. Bye. Hey thanks for listening. Please remember to rate and subscribe whether you just want more leads or automated MLM funnels, or if you just want to learn to get paid more for your product. Head over SecretMLMHacks.com to join the next free training today.

Steve Larsen: What's going on everyone? It's Steve Larsen, and you're listening to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. Oh yeah. So, here's the real mystery. How do real MLMers like us, who didn't cheat, and only bug family members and friends, who want to grow a profitable home business, how do we recruit A players into our downlines and create extra incomes, yet still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives? That's the blaring question, and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen, and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. What's up, guys? Hey, I'm very excited for today. First off, I want to apologize. I know it's been quite a while, like a month, I think since I've actually published an episode on this podcast here. And it's simply because there's just been so much going on. I've been speaking a lot. We have our third kid due literally any day now, she could go into labor. Anyway, she'll wince in pain just a little bit. I'm like, "Is this it? Okay, not yet. Is this it? Not yet." Weirdly, I look forward to the mad dash to the hospital, like a chase scene from Chips. Hey guys, I'm excited for the day though. I wanted to talk with you about something that's actually pretty important and pretty powerful. I have a slight obsession with the show Shark Tank. What's funny is I'm actually really against VC funding for 99% of businesses that are out there. I just don't think that you need it. I don't. And I know that I ruffle a lot of feathers when I say that. Anyway, I like Shark Tank because I like to see what businesses people are in, and I like to see what they're asking for and what they think that their business is actually worth. Now if you have watched that show at all, you know that after about six or seven episodes, you're gonna start to see a pretty strong pattern. It could even honestly be in three episodes. This is always the way it always works. Funny enough, we were in Orlando. I'm sorry, we were in California on vacation a little while ago, and we were in the hotel room, just relaxing before we all went to sleep, and we're watching Shark Tank. I can't remember what the person's business was, but this question gets asked so frequently. Regardless of someone's business, okay. Now pay attention to that. Regardless of someone's business, the person will always come in and they always do the 30 second little elevator pitch, or whatever. They always say, "Well tell us about your numbers." What's funny is that's the question. We want to know what your numbers are. They always ask them, "How much does it cost for you to acquire a customer? How much does it cost for you to acquire a customer?" Like nine times out of 10, the person has no idea. Are you kidding? Would you invest in something like that if it's not proven to be selling? No. It always blows me away. Oh my gosh. Anyway. People think they get deals based on how cool the product is. There's a very small aspect to that. 90% of it is just proving to the investor that it actually does sell. That they actually could get their money back. Anyway, it's funny to see how it always plays out. In college, we actually had the opportunity to go and pitch several VC firms as part of some of my classes. I took a lot of entrepreneurship classes. Funny enough in college, that's what we think entrepreneurship is. It's putting together proposals in order to get VC funding. That's terrible. That's stupid in my opinion, my very humble and firm opinion. That's dumb. It's dumb. Are you kidding? Entrepreneurs create value. If you don't create enough value, no one's gonna pay for it anyway. Anyway, I'm not gonna keep going on on that. Hey, I was recently listening to Russell Brunson's podcast. Funny enough, every time that we always launched a funnel, we always watched our numbers. We always watched our numbers. Okay. I'm going somewhere very specific with this, guys, and I want you to know that. And why I've been able to do what I have been in that MLM space, because it's a completely different shift of thinking, and I know that. I get a lot of pushback from that. There's a lot of old timers in the MLM community who don't like me, and I know that, and I expected that prior to me getting in. And you can't blame them. Some guy comes along and says, "Hey, you don't need to do it the old way that everyone used to do it." And the old timers are like, "Well I don't know how to do what you're doing, Steven. Therefore, I'm gonna tell my team to not do it." Right? That's pretty much what happens. It's threatening to the empire. They don't know how to duplicate what I'm doing because they don't know how to build funnels. They don't know anything about what I do, so it's threatening. I get it, and I expected that. No harm, no foul. It's all good. So, I do get rocks thrown back at me and that's totally fine. This is the cutting edge stuff and it works. I have lots of students auto recruiting people and I have lots of students selling their products on the internet without them having to actually be the one there doing it. It ruffles feathers and I totally get it. Anyway, I was listening to one of Russell's shows lately and he was talking about a quote. I can't remember where this is from. I think it might be Dan Kennedy. But Dan Kennedy said that you must know. If you know numbers, you know business. As in K-N-O-W. If you know numbers, know business. You'll know business. But then there's a flip side, if you have no numbers, as in N-O. If you have no numbers, then you have no business. Isn't that funny? Know your numbers, and you'll know business. If you have no numbers, you have no business. That's fascinating isn't it? You think about that with that whole Shark Tank example that I was just dropping out there. That's so true. It's so powerful. It's incredibly, that's spot on. That's exactly why so many of the people that are just like, they'll go ask for these ... They don't know their numbers. Therefore, to the investor, they have no business. We're gonna flip this. Right now, I know that I spend anywhere from $5 to $8 per person to get on my web class and watch Secret MLM Hacks, the actual web class. Okay. I know roughly, we're scaling ads all over the place, so I'm just waiting for things to settle a little bit, but I have a very ... It's getting more and more clear how much it actually costs for me to acquire a customer. How much money it costs for me to get a lead. What the lifetime value of that customer actually becomes. Those kinds of numbers ... The only numbers that marketers really care about, and this is MLM multi level marketing. As a marketer, you, a marketer, there's only two numbers that you really need to care about. One is what's your average cost to acquire a customer. That's it. Average cost. CPA, cost per acquisition, which are costs to acquire a customer. Next, what is the average cart value? How much does the average person actually spend with you? I know if I need to spend $3 to acquire a customer, and my average cart value is $4, I'm making money. And I can scale the ads a little. Frankly, I wouldn't want it to be that tight, but right? That's how it works. Well you have to understand, and the reason why I've been able to make a dent so quickly in the MLM space and why my team is doing amazing things that no one has ever done before in the MLM space. Frankly, there's a lot of people like, "Steven, you can't duplicate what you're doing." Well, I am, and we are. What's cool, and here's the reason why, is one of the reasons why. Okay. If you think about cost to acquire, most of the time we all think of that as money, but there's actually a time cost. That's traditionally the cost that old school MLM wants you to spend. Meaning, we want you to go use your time and talk to your relationships, and that's the only form of cost MLM is traditionally okay with. That's it. That's the only form of cost that they actually are okay with. But what's fascinating though is there's actually a second kind of cost. We just went through it. It's actually money. And if you instead stop spending your time and instead be willing on spending just a little cash on testing some ads, testing some acquisition models to get leads in. If you're cool ... and you don't have to spend money to acquire leads either. I get a ton of leads from this podcast. A lot of you guys reach out to me and say, "Steven, what MLM are you in? Steven, I want to join your downline. Steven, let me get secret MLM hacks. Steven, I want to know how to do this with my team. I don't want to join yours. Let me do it to mine." I'm like, "Cool, that's fine." It doesn't matter. I'm spending the time one time to make this episode, and the episode's gonna keep doing the work for me in the future, right? The problem is that the model for MLM historically has been continually spend your time over and over and over again. It's a linear scale. The more time I spent theoretically, the more leads that I get. But I really like the other two models, where I just spend my time one time on something like an episode. Spend my time one time on going in and building out a lead funnel that brings people to me and qualifies them for me before I ever speak with them. That's another kind of cost model. Or the third kind of cost model, meaning I'm gonna go spend some money on ads. I don't start that way, but now that there's cashflow. There's a lot of cashflow, all right. Then I go drop some money in ads. That increases my speed, and I don't have to spend my time. Instead I spend a little bit of cash and I pull people towards me. Does that make sense? The only cost model that MLM is so freakin in love with for some reason is this model of let me spend my time, the same amount of time over and over and over and over and over, and do the exact same freakin pitch every single time I spend that time. Are you kidding? I don't want to do that, and that's why I don't do it that way. I literally developed all these systems to solve my own pain. Are you kidding? I've got a little ADD going on. I don't want to do the same thing over and over again. I don't want to come into the office every day and do the same thing. That's not my cup of tea. I know some people do. That's great. Great for them. I'm not gonna do that. And that's the reason why I developed all these systems and put this stuff in place. Is this making sense? I didn't want to spend that kind of cost. I am all for spending cost where I spend the time one time and it keeps working for me on the internet. Things like a funnel, a piece of content. Stuff like that. Or after I've got revenue coming in to do, I can drop in and actually start, the other cost side is acquiring people and acquiring leads through ads, and spend more money that way. My goal is to spend more money than entire MLMs are able to spend on ads profitably. And I know how, and we're starting to get there. I'm gonna scream so freakin loudly, it's gonna be very hard to ignore me. I almost have this chip off the shoulder attitude about it, and I know it. I know you can all sense it and hear it and feel it. It's because I just feel like it's so ridiculous to me that we've ... The internet became publicly available in 1991. The internet became publicly available in 1991. The military was using it heavily before that. But in 1991, suddenly the entire ecosystem changed. All of it. We're gonna act like we shouldn't be using it? If that's the case, stop using your smart phone. Stop using your computer. It's ridiculous that the marketers that just crush it are the marketers that are adapting. It's the same concepts, just plugged into different vehicles. All right. What I will not do is replace the human element. I'm never gonna do that. I don't, but I will use systems and I will use cost models that qualify people before I ever talk with them, so that the time that I do spend will be used with the right people. Will be used with great people who should be in my downline. Get thinking that way. Get thinking in that model. The ultimate, the reason, oh my gosh it's so sexy, guys. The reason that it's so freakin cool is because when somebody comes in and they join my downline ... and I'm not telling you. I'm not saying, "Hey come join my downline." If you like yours, stay in it. That's great. There's no pressure. Do not feel any pressure from me at all. I hate that aspect of it. I'm fighting that. If you don't want to be in it, don't ask. Don't join. Stay in your own thing. That's great. What I do love about it though is that when someone does join, and go do this again for your own downlines. Figure out how to do this. And if you have no idea how, Secret MLM Hacks will teach you how. There's a lot of people who are not in my downline who are not even in my MLM who are doing great. They're doing very, very well. They're auto recruiting. When somebody joins their downline, or someone joins my downline, the thing I like so much about it is that I don't have to re-spend that time to train those people because I spent one time creating amazing training step-by-step for all of my people in my downline, so that when they come in, all I'm doing is I'm sending them through all the exact same training. If there's this question they all seem to be having, or if there's this misunderstanding that all of them seem to be going, then something's wrong with my training and I just go make that change and that tweak. It literally is the duplication of me. I give them the exact same systems, both to sell products and to recruit on the internet. I give them the exact ... Is this making sense? I hope that it makes sense what I'm saying here because I am very passionate about this thing. I just don't think people take the time to sit back and think about it. What cost model am I actually comfortable with? Right. I'm only comfortable with the model where I don't have to routinely ... It's not that I won't spend time to get great at something. That's not what I'm saying. There's a lot of time that goes on behind the scenes. Lots of it to perfect my craft, to be better and better and better at it. But the actual act, being in the act of recruiting, of lead gen, of qualifying the leads, of getting the sale, both on the recruiting side and the product sales side. Like man, we've got the freakin internet, use it. And if your MLM has serious issues with you doing that, find a way. Find a way or question what you're doing. I'm that strong about it. Anyway. All right, guys. I hope that this podcast is helpful to you. Go ahead. If you wouldn't mind, I would love it if you wouldn't mind reviewing. If you could review the podcast and rate it, that would be fantastic. It helps me dramatically. It's so funny to hear people's feedback. I really appreciate all the honest feedback. Then some people I can tell are just trolls and they'll go through. I got my first one star review the other day, and it's probably from one of the old timers. That's the way it happens. It's not a surprise at all. It's just the way it goes. Whatever. That's what happens when you rock the boat. I expect it to keep happening. All right, guys. I will talk to you later. If you've not checked out secretmlmhacks.com yet, go ahead and do it. What it'll do is it will help you figure out how to actually become truly duplicatable and create systems that duplicate you. These aren't band new untested things. I've been doing this stuff for years, and not just on my own either. I have a ton of people, a ton of people who've been doing it with me. People who are not in my downline. People who are in my downline. It's just been a lot of fun. Anyways. All right, guys. Talk to you later, and I'll see you in the next episode. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening. Please remember to rate and subscribe. Whether you just want more leads or automated MLM funnels, or if you just want to learn to get paid more for your product, head over to secretmlmhacks.com to join the next free training today.

Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on everyone? It's Steve Larsen and you're listening to the completely epic, totally conceited and amazing episode of Secret MLM Hacks Radio. Here's the real mystery. How do real MLM-ers like us [inaudible 00:00:13] cheat and only bug family members and friends? Want to grow a profitable home business? How do we recruit A players into our down lines and create extra incomes, yet still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives? That's the blaring question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. What's up, guys? Please know that I'm joking, but honestly, this is amazing stuff. What I want to do today is I want to you guys through. A few days ago, I was thinking through where I am in my own business, my down line, and I just thought to myself, "I wonder what's the biggest people have been able to go do because of this podcast or what I'm teaching or the course? What is that?" Anyway, I decided that I would reach out to all these people and I would ask them, "What's the thing?" I got back some crazy responses. I had no idea. What's the biggest you guys have taken away? What's the biggest thing you've learned? Tell me what's the result from which you've learned. The learning part, I love being able to see people understand stuff and get epiphanies and things like that, but it's learning for a purpose, which is to make more cash, to get more people in the down line. I know that and I'm aware of that, I'm cognizant of that, and that's honestly, one of the biggest bars of success that I care about. When we're off and we're selling, I want you to think about it this way. I build a lot of sales funnels for a lot of people, for myself. Anyways, large individuals, school, you'd all know the names if I said. Anyway, I don't know if I'm allowed to. It's been fun going through and doing this. There's this really interesting thing that happens. I want you to think about your MLM's product. Can you sell your MLM's product? Yeah. Can you sell your MLM's opportunity? Right, I'm sure. Yeah, absolutely. What happens, though ... Let's say you're standing with a friend, someone that you would love, or someone that you just met, but somebody that you would like to be inside the opportunity. What happens when another person walks up and just talks up like crazy to MLM, like, "This is amazing. Oh, my gosh. This is incredible. It completely changed my life." They do that in front of someone who's not in the MLM. You'd be like, "Duh. Steven, of course, the guy is going to freak out and be amazed and be like, 'This is amazing. There really is something to this.'" There's this third party validation that's going on that matters like crazy. I remember there was a ... It's going to make me sound really conceited. There was this time, there was this event going on at Click Funnels HQ, and I had been publishing a lot. We were able to go and help a whole bunch of people. It was a lot of fun. I walked in the door, there was a bunch of people that turned around, like, "Oh, my gosh. It's Steve Larsen." They'd come up and they start taking pictures and things like that. This guy walks up and he goes, "What are you, some kind of celebrity or something?" I was like, "No, I wouldn't say that. I'm not trying to be. I really like what I do and I talk about it." Some guy next to him was like, "This is Steve Larsen. Oh, my gosh. Really incredible." Crazy. To an awkward amount. I was like, "Okay. Thank you." [inaudible 00:03:37] What happened to that guy? I feel really awkward that I just said that story. Think about it with you. Is somebody going to walk up and be like, "Oh, my gosh," whatever your name is, "You're amazing. You're incredible." I'm just trying to be real here and open and honest with you. Are there other people who will, right now, walk up when they see you and be like, "It's you in the flesh. Oh, my gosh"? I don't care what you think about him, but if the president of the United States was to walk in your house, you would go (gasps), "Wow." That awe feeling. "Wow." Have that feeling of (gasps). That feeling, that internal reaction to what is going on. Will somebody else have that reaction when you walk in the room? Guys, it is my strong, firm belief that if you want recognition in this planet, do not seek it. It is a gift that comes to those who have been actively trying to bless human societies, to bless the human race, to bless people or prospective customers, buyers. Does that make sense? People who are actually delivering real value. Don't go out and ... Guys. If anyone goes and rents cars that are fancy and takes pictures in front of them for the social media profile, I'm going to slap you. I am so against that. Be real, be ethical, be honest. When people think about your MLM, when people this about your opportunity, do they have the reaction of (gasps), "Wow. Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. Whoa"? That honor feeling. Do they have that? If they don't, it's okay. Just be honest about it. Is that there? If it's not, that's okay. If it is there, that's great. Identify why. Turn that up. That's part of what makes you talkable. You cannot talk somebody into joining your MLM. If you can, they may not be the right person to get in. Very hard to get those kinds of ... The best kinds of people I like to go recruit are the people that are hard to recruit because they're busy individuals. They have so much going on already. That is the best person on planet Earth for me to go get because they're active individuals. I don't have to hold a cattle prod to their back to get them to do anything. In order to create that feeling about what you do, who you are, your reputation, and again, I'm trying to let you know use this for good. Don't be a schmuck about it. I know that everyone listening ... By the way, we're getting 150 downloads a day on this podcast. I did not know that until I just looked at it. Really cool. Thank you so much for listening. I appreciate that. I am actively trying to change the MLM industry and thanks for joining me on this journey. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I don't care what MLM you're in, when people either hear about it or they learn your opportunity, or they are for the first time, seeing your product, how do you create the feeling of (gasps), "Wow"? It will not be by you talking about you. That's the fastest way to feel and look and be and be perceived as conceited and a self-righteous snob. An element of credibility is still needed. How do you do that? Here's one of the easiest ways to do it. I remember I was building a funnel for this lady. She was from Australia, but she used to live in Africa. They escaped Africa. Really interesting story. I don't know if I should tell all of it because there's actually some really scary elements to it. They literally ran. There was actual gunshots. It was actually a pretty scary story. She ran. They got out of Africa where they were living and they moved over to Australia. When they were in Australia, she had to go through the incredible, ridiculous mound of paperwork that it took in order to get a visa to be in Australia. I don't know if they ran straight to Australia, but eventually, they went to do their paperwork, they got over there. She became an expert at this process. She was able to drastically and severely lower the pain needed for someone to get into Australia. We were making this funnel where in three steps, you could get a visa to Australia. She was very, very good at it. She was an expert at it. She helped a whole lot of people get in. She had all of these case studies and testimonials of people that she had helped, people who were saying, "I needed to get a visa quickly," or "I needed this," or "I needed that." The process is years for some people. What we did not do is make a video with her saying how amazing she is. That doesn't sell anybody. It just lets the world know what you think about yourself. When I have people apply to join my down line, I do not have a video of me saying how awesome I am. I have tons of video of other people saying how much I've been able to help them. Lots of cool success stories. Tons of other people who are like, "My gosh, this guy changed my life." If I say it, it feels a little weird. You might be feeling right now, "Man, Steve had never talked this way." That's the reason why. If I come out and I say that, people are like, "Oh, my gosh. This guy is kind of full of himself." Even though it's important to be confident, it's important to know you're good, it's important to know when to talk about yourself, but come on, no one wants to hear that from everybody all the time. In fact, really, hardly ever. How do you do this? One of the easiest ways to do this is just go gather cool testimonials and stories about what you've been able to do for other people in their life and use that as your sales message. If at all, just include it with the sales message that you have to sell your opportunity, to sell the product. If your MLM has loaded you up with testimonials, it works if they're generic ones that came from the MLM. If you can get them about you, if you can get them about how cool it is to be on your team, oh, my gosh, that is so powerful because now you're not the only one selling. The burden is spread. It's no longer just on your back to say, "Look how cool I am. Yeah. I do know what I'm doing. This team is really cool." Now you have a whole bunch of people that are like, "Oh, my gosh. This is incredible. This has been life changing. It has changed everything for me. Thank you so much. This is incredible." Does that make sense? There's good testimonials and there's bad testimonials. Not all testimonials are created equal. Bad testimonials are when someone's standing there and they're like, "Hey. I didn't know if I should come to this even or join this down line. I'm so glad I did. If you think that you want to do this, you should." That's a stupid testimonial, okay? Those are dumb. The way to make good testimonials is, we have to understand the backstory of the individual who is talking. Otherwise, we do not relate to what they they are saying. I like to use something called an epiphany bridge script. I literally will hand that script to the person who's giving the testimonial and I'll say, "Answer the questions for this script. What's your backstory? What kind of desires did you have internally about you? What were the desire you had externally? What did you want to go accomplish or get or see have happen? What kind of objections did you have? What were the unexpected walls? When you got over those walls, what was the new plan? Now that you got over the wall, what's the brand new plan?" Then next after that it's like, "What conflict did you hit again, the unexpected thing that happened?" When we know what those stories ... Then what did you accomplish at the end? When you know what that backstory is to the individual, that is the testimonial. That is so much powerful. Go find a Hollywood movie that does not have that script in it. What's fascinating is when you get people to do that, they will connect on an emotional level. What's happening inside the prospect's head, what's happening inside their head is they are saying, "Oh, my gosh. I relate to this person. Now Steve is not just trying to sell me on why I should join his down line. This lady, this person, this guy, they are ... Huh. I totally thought the same thing. I totally had the same kind of conflict, the same unexpected thing. I was similar to that." Now what happens, they reach out to that person. I don't care if that testimonial of that person, I don't care if that person brings them into the down line. It still helps me. Why would I care about that? It makes me sellable without me selling myself. If you don't have testimonials and you've been walking around, talking to people, and lets say did you have the ones from your MLM, that's fine, that's great, but they are nowhere near the amount of power as to when you get someone else to say them. "Oh, man, I joined Steve's team. I got the product of the MLM Steven's in. Incredible. It was amazing. So cool. I had serious pain here or I really wanted this to happen," and they go into the internal and the external desires. They go through the different walls and they go through the different conflicts that happened. Then they're like, "Dang." I have a whole string of those kinds of videos and I have it next to the application that I make people fill out when they want to join my down line. It's part of the process I have them go through. They're real testimonials. Those are my friends now and they're people that I get to work and hang out with. That's all I'm trying to say. If you want to turn up the sexy on what you're doing, if you want to turn up the sexy, go get testimonials. One of the things, just because I am a script writer, when I say that to you, you're probably now convinced that ... I'm trying to back track. We're going to exit Steven doing a podcast right now and enter my mind of where I'm going right now. I just showed you a new opportunity. I showed you a new way to get sales in. What I know happens now is there a knee jerk objection. Something that inherently pops into your head as to why that's not true, or why that won't work for you. The first one, I imagine, you're saying to yourself when I say, "Go get testimonials," is you're like, "I don't have anyone to give testimonials for me." I guarantee someone who's listening right now said that to themselves. "I don't have anyone to ask. I must need a team in order for this to work for me." That's the objection most likely going through your head for a lot of people. To that, my counter, is to say, if you don't have someone who you can go get testimonials from, the next thing that you go do is you go get people who at least know who you are and you ask the question, "What's it like to work with me?" You get those people to answer, preferably on a video. If it's just with them holding their iPhone, preferably on a video, though, and they answer the question, "What's it like to work Steve? What's it like to work with you?" The next question that I know that most likely is going to be a knee jerk reaction to that is, "I'm not good enough anyway. I'm not actually good enough ... I haven't done anything for anybody yet. Crap. I'm realizing that I don't know that anyone could give me a testimonial." That's another ... We're exiting the podcast episode, going into Steve's mind as he's starting to look around and say ... As I say this to you, most likely the large majority of you are going to say X, Y, and Z. In that scenario, if you're like, "I don't know if anyone could actually give me a testimonial," my gosh, guys, then go find somebody that you can do some for. I don't care if you do it for free. That's actually how I started in a lot of this game. I found somebody, I looked at their business, I looked at their stuff, I looked at the scenario and I was like, "You know what? With this kind of scenario, I could blow that person up" and I did, and I recorded the story. It's the story that launched me. You got to find a way to get the story. Exit the podcast episode right now, go back to Steven in his own internal conversation which can be a scary place. He's saying to himself, I know that when I go get testimonials, other people are going to say, "I don't have camera equipment. What kind of time is this going to take? I don't know that I have the resources to go get something like a testimonial. I don't know how to do video. I don't know how to put this stuff together." Go back into the episode, and now I've got something to say to that. I'm trying to help you guys see it doesn't matter what you're saying. Any new idea that you seed inside somebody's head, whether you're selling them on your MLM, you're selling them on your product, you have to be prepared and look forward and have foresight for the objections they will most likely have, and have a counter to it. I guarantee you listening to this right now, most of you are probably listening to it on your phone. It actually is more authentic a lot of times, and it actually sells a little better, and actually a lot of times it'll make you more believable when the people are using their own iPhones and sending you the video. That's it. I'm sure there's free software where you can drop a series of your videos, or just put your videos ... Anyway. Put them on YouTube. When someone's like, "I'm thinking about it," be like, "Oh, yeah, cool. Let me send you a few videos real quick so you know what this team is about." It's just the video testimonials of people who are basically selling you without selling you. Selling your opportunity without selling your opportunity. Selling your product without selling the product. It's one of the most powerful ways where it's not such a rigid script. It does help if you follow the format I was just saying. It's not such a rigid script, though. Having them says, "Look, other people have basically proven that I'm not a schmuck." That's basically it. If you can get that to happen, if you're not the one saying it, of course ... If I go ask a car salesman, "I don't know if I should get another car," what are they going to say? "Oh, yeah, you should totally get another car." That's why you're not believable when you say those kinds of things about yourself. "I've done this and I've spoken here and I'm on Forbes and [inaudible 00:17:40]." It comes across very conceited and it's not believable. The way to get around it and the way to sell people without selling, one of the easiest ways is to gather tons of testimonials. Those of you guys who have existing down lines, go ask your down lines for testimonials about you. Ultimately, that's what people are buying. We all know that from the classic cliché and phrases, ultimately people are purchasing you, not the MLM. Get them about you and find a way to deliver them as part of your onboarding or prospecting methods, whether using sales funnels or not. Whatever. Put them on YouTube and you can use them in different areas. Put them on your own website if you have one. Transcribe them. Put them on your blog. One of the ones I got here, which is really, really cool, super cool, I think the world of her. She's amazing. She went through and she said, "I haven't had any money success ..." Meaning in the past she was having a hard time selling stuff. She came in and she bought the Secret MLM Hacks program, and I want to share with you the results. This has been amazing. She said, "I have three girls. Oldest just turned five so they're home with me all the time and my husband is in the Army, and he's gone a lot." I'm paraphrasing pieces, personal data. You know what I mean? She said, "I'm bootstrapping this whole thing. Because of that, I went through your entire course. I took tons of notes, filled out the workbooks. Now I'm building as much as I possibly can to start getting immediate results and hopefully get things flowing quickly. I'm also trying to find other ways to bring cash in." "Basically, I am a crazy lady who has big fat dreams of getting our family into a financial position where my husband doesn't have to work all the time and can stay a positive service for him. You taught me how to make it all possible even with my babies. I wake up early and work late. While my successes haven't been huge yet, I've learned a ton." This was pretty cool. She said, "I don't know the correct way to say it, but before taking this, one out of every five people I showed my product to bought. Since the course," and she's learned how to sell. She's learned a lot ... I'm sorry. I'm stumbling here. She's learned a lot more about marketing. She said, "At least one out of every three people is buying from me right now." That is so sweet. Anyway, super cool. She's incredible and awesome. I'm grabbing the next one here also. It's pretty cool. She said, "Hey, Steve, one of the cool things I've gained from your course is realizing how important it is to start publishing regularly. I started a podcast right away, 10 days ago, and have started 10 episodes. After the third, I had someone reach out and tell me they were loving the information giving, and they were excited." She's now prospecting. She's getting leads already. That's why ... Oh, man. Go get it. If you are sick and tired of where you are in your MLM business, it takes a giant shock of energy, a huge shift, a massive sacrifice, something your side to go and actually make a huge difference and change what's been happening. She said, "They had been discouraged because their MLM recently pushed home parties, and so was I. I was able to chat with her about the growing power of doing this another way, so the product. So fun to see these people are responding so quickly to my podcast. It's gradually moving up in the iTunes charts in just 10 days." Super cool, guys. Lots and lots of cool things. People are recruiting like crazy. One of the coolest ones so far, because this has just been a lot. Not just from ... It's cool when people learn stuff. I want the outcome, though. I really, really, really want the outcome for everybody. It's been happening. It's been working. One of the craziest testimonials so far has been somebody set up some of the things I was talking about on Sunday, they turned traffic on, on Monday, and they had someone in their down line on Tuesday. It was nuts. That's just one example. Obviously, an extreme example, but there's been a whole bunch of others as well. People are recruiting. People are getting more into their down lines. It's just not fluff stuff. Stuff actually works. I just got my 225th person applying to join my down line, my personal one, let alone all the other people that I teach how to do it, too. Anyway, hopefully that was helpful to you. Go out and start thinking about how you can get your street cred and how you can document it in a cool way. What's super fun too, is ... If you're gutsy about it, call your shot and say publicly, if you're publishing regularly be like, "I'm going to go out and I'm going to do X," and publish the journey as you pursue X. Even if you don't hit X, the pursuit of that is followable. As you go, people will give you testimonials even for that. Figure out what it is that you can go do to get people who have sent you videos and have sent you testimonials. I have a file I collect them in, so that when I need them, I can use them and it works super well. Massive way to sell without selling and very, very helpful. It's actually a whole module in the course Secret MLM Hacks. All right guys, thanks so much. Hopefully that was helpful to you and in fact, I know it will be if you do it. Thanks so much and see you on the next episode. Bye. Hey. Thanks for listening. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Would you like me to teach your own down line five simple MLM recruiting tips for free? If so, go download your free MLM Masters Pack by subscribing to this podcast at secretmlmhacksradio.com.