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Social Media is constantly evolving. Listen and learn about what it takes to make it as an Entrepreneur in today's content saturated world... What's going on everyone? This is Steve Larsen, and you're listening to a special episode of Sales Funnel Radio. I've spent the last four years learning from the most brilliant marketers today, and now I've left my 9 to 5 to take the plunge and build my million-dollar business. The real question is how will I do it without VC funding or debt, completely from scratch? This podcast is here to give you the answer. Join me and follow along as I learn, apply and share marketing strategies to grow my online business using only today's best internet sales funnels. My name is Steve Larsen, and welcome to Sales Funnel Radio. What's up guys? I'm super excited for you to be here. This is going to be a massive treat for you. I've got to tell you, the topic we're going to go through today and frankly the person that I've brought on today, at first this topic I discredited just a little bit. I'm not going to lie, which is shame on me, poopoo on me, right, but I'm very excited for you guys to learn more about this. The longer I've been doing this game, the longer I've been part of this, the more I've looked at what this person's doing, it's just with sheer awe. I cannot believe everything that he gets done, and I'm very excited. I'm super honored, actually, to have him on the show. It's going to be great. Anyway, I want to welcome to the show, though, Mr. Josh Forti. How are you doing man? Josh Forti: Hey Steven. Good to be on here. Thanks so much for having me on. I appreciate it. Steve Larsen: I'm super excited. I was thinking right before you got on here, I was thinking through kind of the different times we've brushed shoulders. Josh Forti: Yeah. Steve Larsen: But not really actually spoke. You know, I know you came to the Viral Video launch. You had an invite for that for sure. I saw you over there taking pictures with Gary V., and I was exhausted by the time that event came up. I barely remember anything. Everything was hazy... Josh Forti: I got roasted by Gary V. at the Viral Video event. Steve Larsen: I remember that. He was standing right there. Josh Forti: Remember that? Steve Larsen: Yeah. He roasted you hard, man. Josh Forti: That's right. That's right. I think you handed me the microphone for that, too. Steve Larsen: Yep. Yeah. I had no idea we'd work this much together and have you on the show. Josh Forti: Who knew, who knew? Steve Larsen: Who knew? Yeah. And then it was really, right, we did that Mastermind together. Josh Forti: Yeah. Steve Larsen: And I heard you speak and I swear gold was just spraying everybody in the audience, just all over the place. I could not believe what you were saying. It was amazing. It was incredible. This whole other side of the funnel where the person is the funnel and really diving into personal branding. You're clearly, in my mind, I actually believe that you're like the foremost expert on personal brand creation. I'm just so honored to have you here... Josh Forti: Oh man, well I really appreciate, really appreciate that, and I don't know if I'm the number one, but I certainly try to be. Yeah, we've had a lot of fun with it. Steve Larsen: I'll say it for you. Josh Forti: Okay. You can say it for me. I like that. I like that. Yeah. We've had a lot of fun with it. Steve Larsen: Honestly, it was when we were standing outside right after that Mastermind and I saw not just that you were like, I mean, dude, you're very smart. You get a lot of stuff done. You're a go-getter and a hustler, but then also you're intent on helping the world. That's when I was like, man, I've got to get close to this guy. That wasn't long ago. That was like a month ago. Josh Forti: It feels like it. It was a little longer than that. I think it was, back in January. That was in Vegas. Steve Larsen: Oh, that's true. Josh Forti: Right? That's when that was. We spoke there. That's when we first officially met. We had brushed into each other like you said, but we officially met. We spoke on the same stage. I remember at the event someone was like, Steven Larsen's going to be speaking. I was like, well, if it's good enough for him, it's good enough for me. So, I'm super happy that we got to meet up there and, yeah, form a friendship that eventually led to us speaking together again down at the Mastermind before Funnel Hacking Live. Steve Larsen: Oh, yeah, that's right. That's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah. You know, so for those in the audience who may not know who you are, how did you actually get into this, this area of personal branding? I think the area, like I've had such an issue with it just because I've not ever known really what it is. It seems a little bit fluffy and you're so clear on how to do it. How did you get into this? Josh Forti: That's a great question. So, actually I grew up through high school, I was home schooled and I grew up on a farm. I had no online presence at all. In fact, I wasn't even allowed to have texting on my phone until I was 18, so like really knew nothing. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: I got into insurance. Long story short, dropped out of college, got into insurance sales and realized that the internet marketing space was this huge trend that a lot of these businesses that we were working with were totally missing out on. And so I went from there and I was like, man I've got to start studying this, so I started studying e-com and started studying all the different things and blue like several thousand dollars with no success, no results whatsoever. I was like, man, it can't be this hard. I mean, like I've got to figure out a way for me. How I started into it was I was just trying to figure out a way to grow an audience so that I could test like landing pages. Even if I was giving it away for free, I just wanted to be able to test it without having to pay for it... Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: And get the audience's response. Tell me what I was doing right, tell me what I was doing wrong so that I could service them better without having to pay thousands of dollars up front for not getting any results. So, I actually started on the Instagram platform. I thought that was, for me, the fastest way to like grow an audience. I didn't really understand Facebook at the time. We hear all the time, organic range on Facebook is dead... Not entirely true, but I started on the Instagram platform and played around with just some different accounts. I bought a course on it. I loved the Instagram game and I loved everything that was there. It is. It's a game. Steve Larsen: Sure. Josh Forti: Just finding the little trends and pieces there. I launched a company with a business partner of mine, and together we grew and managed several million followers on the Instagram platform. aCtually, it was just the beginning of last year we decided we had kind of different visions for the company. He wanted to go kind of more the agency route and specifically just servicing that, and I really wanted to help like people launch like Instagram accounts. I wanted to like give back the information that we had and like really help that and you know, different strokes for different folks. So he went one way and I ended up selling the agency that we had built to him. That allowed me a whole new world of opportunity. I was out on my own. I had contacts and I'd just sold a company. I went out and invested in a couple different coaches and some programs and really just dove into all things branding and social media. I read Expert Secrets and Dotcom Secrets and everything that Russell talks about and came up, and I'm only 24 years old right now, and so just studied and studied and worked and applied and worked and launched a Facebook group shortly before I sold my company, about, I don't know, six months or so before I sold the company out and have not run a single dime of paid traffic to it. It's about 18 months old. Steve Larsen: Wow. Josh Forti: We just hit 30,000 members in it. Steve Larsen: Holy crap. Josh Forti: Being able to use a lot of the tactics that Russell talks about in marketing with the attractive character and really being authentic with your audience and really going out there and showing them the behind the scenes, a lot of people are like, man, you know, you are authentic or you're showing them the good, the bad and the ugly, like they're never going to buy from you, right? Steve Larsen: Yeah. Josh Forti: And the thing is, we live in the world of experts, but we also live in the world of influencers, right? Like, you do need to be an expert at what you do, but you have to understand that if you have a single follower, you're more credible than the person without one, right? Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: And so if you're one step ahead of whatever it is that you're doing and you show them the good, the bad and the ugly, what that does is it builds trust, so people can go out. We live in an overwhelming world of information. I can go onto YouTube and figure out absolutely anything, so if you're full of crap, I'm eventually going to figure it out, so if you're lying to me, you know, I'm eventually going to see that, where if you just show, hey, this works, this doesn't, here's what we're doing over here, here's what we're doing over here, people love that and people eat it up because then they know that you're going to be honest with them. We've had so much success with that. In fact, I've done, this is a funny fact, two six-figure businesses now and I've never spent a single penny on paid advertising for either one of those. Steve Larsen: That's so cool. I mean, seriously man, congrats! That's incredible. Josh Forti: I appreciate that, man. Does that kind of give you a background there of everything? Steve Larsen: Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I guess, when did you realize that you were getting it, you know what I mean? When did it start clicking? Josh Forti: Well, I must say, my parents always taught me to work hard. I grew up on a farm. I was homeschooled, and I have seven siblings, so you kind of partner all those things together and you realize you just kind of have to work hard in life. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: I wouldn't say I felt ... I still don't know if I get it, Steven. Steve Larsen: Sure. I know we're all still getting it. Josh Forti: Yeah, yeah. I think that the point in my life where I understood that I got it was when I realized that I was willing to go learn and do above and beyond what everyone else was willing to go learn and do. When everybody else was out at the movies, and I have nothing against going out to the movies or taking a night off, but I spent two years of my life studying and going to conferences, seminars and things like that and when I came back and when I realized that just simply being around those type of people and just simply being immersed in that versus being immersed in say pop culture of like movies or music or whatever that thing was, you know more about that. For me, that was a really like a first step in the right direction for me because, I mean, we as an entrepreneurs, I really believe that we all, at some point or another, struggle with a lot of self-doubt. Steve Larsen: Yeah. Josh Forti: While I'm a very confident person in myself and what I can do, being around those type of people and realizing that, hey, I'm at least making actions and decisions that drive me in the direction that I want to get close to was an encouraging reminder to me. So that was kind of the first step in the right direction and then as far as like making it, what do you mean, like having it figured it out? Like, specifically when I thought I knew Instagram or when I thought I could do this or like what specifically? Steve Larsen: Sure, sure. I just like to ask that because we all kind of go a different route with it, which is kind of cool, but, yeah, really with Instagram, when you realized that like, oh my gosh, this personal branding thing like it's suddenly is clicking, you know. I see the path at least far enough where I can have results for the people and make money with it. Josh Forti: Yeah. I'm going to take us back to Funnel Hacking Live. Steve Larsen: Sure. Josh Forti: Remember when Russell was on stage and for those of you that weren't able to attend, uh, you missed out, but he was on stage, and on Friday he was talking about, and really, the whole theme of the conference was if you just follow a proven formula for success, you will be successful with it. Remember when he was talking about that? Steve Larsen: Oh, yeah. Josh Forti: Yeah. So, I think I realized that I had figured it out when I was first able to duplicate my results and so on Instagram I grew my first account to, I think it was 30,000 or 35,000 followers, and I got the idea that I was like, well, I did it once. I wonder if I could do it again. So, I do everything kind of over the top, so I went and opened like eight other accounts... Steve Larsen: Love it. Josh Forti: And tried to do it on eight different accounts and figured out the niches. I think five of them stuck, and so I had five or six accounts at this time and all of the sudden all of them were at 10,000 and then 15,000 and then 20,000 and then 30,000, and then I realized this is just a system. Like, it's a formula and when I realized that there was just a formula for growing accounts and a formula for growing social media, people often complicate it and they're like, oh, you know every platform's different, every platform's this. They are, and the content that you post on those platforms may be different types of content, but the concepts of social media, of the goals that you're trying to accomplish are all the same. Once I figured out that formula I knew I was set. I was like, there's nothing I can't do on social media now if I have either A) The time or B) The budget. If I have one of those two things, I can do anything. I think that's when I figured out that there was a proven formula that I could just duplicate over and over and it looks different for each account, looks different for each niche that you're in, but the formula of what you're trying to accomplish is the same. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. That's super powerful. It's powerful insight for sure. I just want to ask too, so, okay, you obviously are like me and you're constantly diving deep into the thing you're trying to be like the best at. You're constantly learning. I'm sure you're constantly moving as forward as fast as you can. Out of your own curiosity too. It's like no one's forcing you. I'm sure you're the same... When you were diving deep into this stuff and you start getting into social media, you get into personal branding, how did you choose what to learn and what not to learn? Josh Forti: Oh man. That is such a tough question. Steve Larsen: I know. Sorry. Josh Forti: No, no, no. This is really good. You know what's interesting is the reason that I got into personal branding I think is because of this question right here. Steve Larsen: Interesting. Josh Forti: Because you think about it and you go, who do we learn from? I look at the people that I modeled after. The only people that I followed were people that I wanted to become like because in my opinion and especially in the way of the world that we're going right now, if you're taking advice from people that are not doing what it is that you're trying to learn and you can't relate with what they're trying to do, why would you take advice from them. That's like the mentality that's going through my head at the time that I'm starting... Steve Larsen: I believe that. Josh Forti: And so as I looked back, like who did I model? I modeled after Russell Brunson. I modeled after Tai Lopez. I modeled after Gary Vaynerchuk. I modeled after Grant Cardone. Those are my four big top influencers in all of marketing right now. If you were to say, Josh, who are the top four? Those are them. What do they all have? They all have a personal brand. They've all gone out there and established what it is that they've done, and so, I think for me, I look at the person as who they are. Now, do I agree with everything Tai Lopez does? Absolutely not... Or Russell or Grant or whoever, but because they have elements in their business that I want to model after and I like who they are as a person in that area, I'm going to go and I'm going to learn from them. So, for me, I decide what I'm going to learn or not learn by actually studying what the person stands for and looking at the life that they have. I hardly ever buy, even like a lead magnet or download anything for free until I go out and actually study who that person is. And so I just got a book in the mail, Millionaire Success Habits by Dean I can't pronounce his last name. Steve Larsen: Graziosi. Josh Forti: Yeah. But I saw his ad probably 100 times before I bought his book. I finally sat down and was like, okay, who is this guy. I went and I looked at his brand and I looked at what he was and I looked at what he stood for and that's the power of personal branding. Everything that I do and everything, like if I choose to study someone or something or learn or not learn, I look at who they are as a person because I think that's really important to me. So, I got into personal branding for that matter because I was like, if someone's going to look at my content, whether it's a physical product, a digital product, free paid whatever, I want them to be able to come look back at me and know exactly what I stand for and if that aligns with what they are going to be doing then they are going to come learn from me and be up front about it. Having that personal brand, I mean, I can't tell you how many people I've asked and say, why do you use click funnels? The click funnel platform is awesome and I love it and it's so much fun, but a large majority of the people were like, I wasn't that interested in click funnels at the beginning. I was interested in Russell Brunson and then he showed me click funnels and it was like, oh my gosh! This is awesome... Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: But it was Russell that brought them in and that's the power of a personal brand, and I think that we really need to realize in the online space if you don't have a personal brand you're either on your way out or already dead. You're just becoming irrelevant after awhile. Steve Larsen: I completely believe what you just said right there. That's so true. As far as from a top level, I just want to ask a few questions here because you think of like, I mean, you service a lot of like these funnel builders of that community as well. You've helped a whole bunch of people like that. You've helped some massive individuals... Josh Forti: There's definitely been some Instagram touchpoints with some big, yeah, big influencers in that area as well as a lot of people in my inner circle and a lot of people in really all areas and all industries, yeah. Steve Larsen: You've been all over the place. You're very much, and what's interesting too, I mean, when I think about, like, what I do, right, I go through and I help people get their phone off the ground, their message, their offer and get that out the door and, yes, totally, I mean, you obviously don't need a personal brand to go get that off the ground, but the personal brand becomes this vehicle that just explodes and accelerates in this ridiculous way. I want to ask a little more how someone actually does that, but how do you define a personal brand? You know what I mean? Like, what do you even say that actually is? Josh Forti: Yeah. Yeah. So, summed up in a very short phrase I say, your business is what you do, your brand is what you stand for. Steve Larsen: Cool. Josh Forti: If you think about that, in the message of personal branding, we're shifting as a society and I think we really need to understand that while we still definitely have big corporations and big things like that, we're going very much to a freelance society, to an online marketing society and things like that and really you have to go make a name for yourself, and it's expected because it's so simple. I say that hesitantly, simple to do. Not easy, but the concepts there are simple. It's almost like required, like as a prerequisite... What I tell people is you want someone to be able to look at you and your profile and content online and know exactly what you do, what you stand for and how you're going to go about doing that because if I can't look at your profile and know not only what you do, but really like the vibe that you stand for and who you are as a human, I'm not near as likely trust you as if I know who you are and what you stand for, right. If you don't give me that information, like, yeah, you might be great at eCommerce, but if I don't know your personality, if I don't know if you get my agenda, there's so much information. People look for what they can relate to. And so if they don't understand what it is that you stand for or if you're relatable or not, then you don't have a very good chance of them buying from you. That personal brand is your message and your statement of what it is that you stand for and your statement of the type of person that you're trying to attract and sell to. Steve Larsen: Yeah. It's not really enough to just be, I mean, you can get by for a while just being amazing, but, I mean, after a while people want to know who you are as a person. It makes total sense. Okay. I've never heard it explained that way. How does somebody go about doing this? Obviously, they hire you... They give you a whole lot of money, which everyone should, but like what are the most important parts of this? I know we can take it to the enth degree, but I mean, is there like a base level someone should at least have? Josh Forti: Well, I think the first thing that everyone needs to do is they need to define themselves and understand their why. Before you go into anything else, I think the most important thing is understanding your why and if you don't start with your why I think everything else really gets kind of pushed off track. So a lot of people are like, oh, man, my why is I want to go out there and use entrepreneurship skills to change the world. That's not your why. When I sit down with people to find out what that why is I tell them, you should be able to tell me your why and I have no clue what you do. Steve Larsen: Cool. Josh Forti: Because if I can go and hear just like your vision and your purpose and passion in life, there's a lot of different ways to make something happen, right. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: And, so I can change the world in eCommerce. I can change the world in sports. I can change the world in the oil fields, but if I don't know what my why is, if you can't clearly identify what that why is then I think that you're really off track, because everything needs to lead back up to that. I think step number one is identify what your why is and then step number two after that is very clearly defined, and I cannot stress the importance of that enough, very clearly defined. Then, step number two from there is you need to pick the avenue or the industry that you're going to get into to make that why happen. And so your what is kind of what you believe in and who you're going to go about implementing that vision to the world. I'm not talking about the product necessarily. I'm talking about the avenue or the vehicle that you're going to use to get that why message out there. Once you kind of determine what that is going to be, then you can go out and start crafting your brand from there. So, start with why and then from there go to the how and then go to the what from there. Start with why, how and then what. From there, you have to understand you need to publish a lot of content. Steve Larsen: Yeah. Everyone hear that. I know I shove it down your throat, but say it again, baby, whew! Josh Forti: Yeah, like publish your face off. I've heard you say it before and I know that's your saying, but it cannot be more true because in a world of unlimited information you have to be able to stand out from all your competitors and from everybody else that's out there that's putting out similar information. If you expect to be seen, if you expect people to build trust, then what do they say, 8 to 12 times before someone is willing to buy from you? Most of you guys and most of the people out there who are putting out content, it's like, I'm going to put out one video a week. I'm going to post one status a day. Those are not even rookie numbers, you know what I'm saying. Like, you've got to step it up to where you need to be omnipresent. I need to be able to see you, and I'm just going to take it back again to the Gary Vaynerchuk, the Russell Brunson, the Greg Cardone, Tai Lopez. Go look at their YouTube channels, their Instagram page, everything that they're doing. Those people put out way more content than you do, and way more content than almost every other person out there. Steve Larsen: Yeah. Josh Forti: And so you don't even have to be that good, and I say that hesitantly. Be good. Be an expert. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: But if you can produce more content to the next guy, you don't even have to be an expert, you know. Your message is out there in front of everybody else and so if you start with why and you craft all of your content around making that why come true and showing people your vision with that why and whatever avenue or venue it is, whether it's entrepreneurship or fitness or music or what have you and publish a lot of content to move that forward, you're going to have an audience. Steve Larsen: That's huge. Completely believe that. Just there's power in just being present, just being out there when people are ready to look and ready to see you, fresh stuff that's available. Josh Forti: Yeah. Steve Larsen: Um, okay ... Josh Forti: Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Steve Larsen: No. Go for it. Josh Forti: I was going to say, the one other thing that I would mention in there that I think is really important for entrepreneurs, especially for entrepreneurs in the business space and for people that are trying to grow a personal brand and trying to grow an audience, you've got to pick something and be all about it because I see so many people. In fact, I just got off a phone call earlier today with a lady who she's really smart. She's really talented and she's got seven different projects that she's been working on, and she's been working on seven different projects for the last 20 years, and they're still not, you know, nothing's still happening. Steve Larsen: That's because there's seven of them. Josh Forti: I asked her, I said ... Right, and I'm like, so which one are you going to pick. She's like, well, I love them all. I'm like, and for the last 20 years you've gone nowhere. I mean, she's dumped money into them and she's dumped time, and her videos are good. Her content is good, things like that, but people don't know what she's about. It's 22 different things. Well, in her case, seven different things. Pick what it is that you're going to do and be about that and then once you have an audience and once you've grown you can kind of push your audience from one to the next or kind of incorporate different brands and things like that, but if people don't know the one thing that you are about, then they're not going to follow you. You know, what's Russell Brunson known for? Funnels... Steve Larsen: Funnels. Josh Forti: Funnels. Right. Think about that when you're building your brand as well. Steve Larsen: I totally love that. Oh, man. So huge. Gain the clarity and then move on. When you take somebody who's, I don't know, I'm trying to figure out how to ask this. When you take somebody who's just starting out, right, what are some of the basic things somebody could go do once they have the why, how and what? They figure those things out, they're publishing frequently. I guess what's the routine look like for them? Josh Forti: Yeah. For sure. I'm not going to pick a specific platform here. Steve Larsen: Sure. Josh Forti: I mean, I'm going to kind of give you an overview basis of what we'll look for. Russell Brunson talks about this in his book, Dotcom Secrets, but when you're publishing content you want to make sure that you're getting your content in front of the right audience. Different social media platforms do this differently. You know, on Instagram it's more hashtags and on, you know, Facebook it's more groups and things like that, but that's very important because if you can go and get your message in front of the right audience and always push them back to a centralized location, that's really, really important and you're going to start growing an audience that way. The first thing I would say is make sure that you're getting your message in front of the right people and then second, kind of like what we talked about when we went over your stuff is have a centralized hub of where you're pushing everyone to, so for me and a lot of my clients that I work with, that's a Facebook group because that's the most interactive way for us to be able to communicate to our clients. Maybe for some people that's an Instagram page or whatnot, but once you have them in that centralized hub where everything is pushing, also push them back out to other platforms as well. All of your content, all of your most valuable information is going to be at your centralized hub, but then you want to be able to cross-promote, because if someone comes in from YouTube, it's like, okay, they're coming in from YouTube and have an Instagram channel and a Facebook page and a Facebook group and a Snapchat and a Twitter, like where do I push them. I always push them back to wherever my centralized location is. All right, for me that's the Facebook group. And then from the Facebook group I then diversify to different platforms and push them from there, but I want to make sure that they're all in my Facebook group because that is where my most valuable content is. That's where I know my warmest leads are going to be and that's where I'm going to get a majority of my traffic from. Does that make sense? Steve Larsen: Yeah. Totally. Okay. That makes sense. You've got centralized hub. Josh Forti: Yeah. To have that centralized hub to where people know because it's like, okay, Instagram is great, but would I go to Instagram to be able to get in contact with Steven Larsen? Probably not... Would I go to Instagram to watch a full-time tutorial about that? Would I go to Instagram for this? No, but I would go to Instagram for valuable tips, for motivational tips and to stay in touch with that side of your life. Whereas YouTube I would go for more how-to's, but there's probably no information for me to get a hold of you or interact with you. I can't message you or anything. What I have found is a Facebook group is the most valuable place because it encompasses everything, posts, videos, text and video and image. It allows people to interact with you, you to interact with them and them to interact with each other and there's multiple places where you can put information, contact information and push them to different lead magnets. So, I take all of my traffic, I send them there and then I take my traffic from there and I go, hey, if you want to learn more about blah, blah, blah, make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel and that way all of my Instagram traffic that I've just gotten off of Instagram and into my group, now I have it on Instagram and in my group and now I'm pushing them out to a third platform so I can now have them in three different places as well. Steve Larsen: You have like the main communication hub, but as needed you can shove them to the rest of the things you're doing in your marketing or campaigns or whatever else you're doing. Josh Forti: Yes, and it's very important to diversify on social media, but I do like to have my one main hub where everything goes because it's just so much easier than, especially when you're starting out. Now, as you continue to scale and you've got $10,000, $20,000, $50,000 a month behind you, then you can talk about different things, but in the beginning when you're starting out and you're just trying to grow an organic audience. We have a course coming out called Six-Figure Audiences. Steve Larsen: Sweet. Josh Forti: It's going to be so cool. I'm so excited about that, but it really talks about having that main hub and then diversifying from there. That's how people know where you're at most and for people like us, people like you, we don't have time to be posting and going live on four different platforms. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: Go live on one and push everyone to that one and then diversify the content out from there. Steve Larsen: That's amazing. Okay, so say somebody who's maybe brand new or has an existing business and they're starting to set these things up. Got the centralized place. Got the message. Josh Forti: Yeah. Steve Larsen: When can you tell? Like, what are the things that need to be in place in order for the person to, I guess, blow up for lack of a better term? Like, when can you tell that someone's about to just go nuts? Josh Forti: Yeah. Steve Larsen: Most likely. Josh Forti: Yeah. When their branding is consistent across all their platforms, that's really important. If I can click on your Facebook profile and see that that is optimized and clean and clear, has a clear call of action in the timeline photo, things like that, you have a Facebook that's growing and is there as well. Your Instagram, no matter how big it is, I don't care how big your pages are, right, I don't care how many followers they have. I care about the quality of the content that you're putting upon those pages. When they're all set up right and well and I actually, I really look a lot at the engagement and the copy and the type of content that you put out, whether that be written or video, my favorite is video. I overwhelmingly do more video than anything else because it is the most engaging, especially live video, but if their content is engaging, even at a small amount and they have clear branding across all platforms, that says to me, okay, this person knows enough to at least understand that this is important and that maybe they're just missing the traffic piece right now, but they can figure that out and I would encourage everyone to optimize all your profiles no matter if you have followers or not. I mean, Twitter is like I never am on Twitter, and I only have like 2,000 followers on there, but it's still optimized to if anybody were to click on my Twitter they could come back and find my other social media profiles and things like that. So, when everyone's optimized across that platform, when they're putting out good consistent content every single day and it's branded there, I think that says to me, okay, this person is doing the right things from that standpoint, but then on a more like psychological side standpoint, things that are maybe a little bit harder to teach, if I can see that your brand has a very clear message and it is speaking directly to your target audience, that's probably the most, like the number one telltale sign of being able to say, okay, this person really has dialed in their audience. When you go, like we've worked with all sorts of people, the people that have the clearest message to their audience are the ones that grow the fastest, hands down, almost without question unless you're running massive amounts of pay traffic. From an organic-grow standpoint, from an audience creation standpoint and a brand standpoint, the more precise that you can get with your message across all platforms with that branded, says to me okay, you're ready to blow up. And, going back to your original question, a great way to do that is through interviews. Once you have everything set up, podcast interviews like this, livestream interviews in other groups. I cannot stress enough the importance of cross promotion within the marketplace with other influencers. Steve Larsen: That's huge. Oh man. That's a gold mine everybody. We should be charging for this. This is awesome. Please be writing notes. Super awesome... Hey, so this is me with the direct-response marketer in me, when's the best scenario for me to be grabbing contact information, you know, opt-ins, email addresses, stuff like that so I can continue to remarket to them or is the fact that they're on my page, is that my opt-in? Josh Forti: Yeah. That's a great question. Common misconception there says, oh, if they're in my Facebook group, I don't need them on my email list. You're wrong. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: I don't ever think you can have people in enough places. Steve Larsen: Sure. Sure. Josh Forti: If I have them on YouTube and Facebook and Instagram and my email list I can still get on a chat bot, you know. I think that from a timing standpoint, right away. Steve Larsen: Sure. Josh Forti: You need to have, and that's part of putting out content. As soon as I hit your page, like if I want more information, it's not for everyone. We know that, but if I want more information and it's not there, you just lost money. That's pretty much the only way there is to look at it. Being able to provide information in exchange for contact information as soon as they hit your page. That's why I tell people, and I know we've talked about this as well, cover photos on timelines for people's profile pictures or in people's Facebook groups. Have call-to-actions. You look at a lot of the big influencers. You to in there and you hit their cover photo or you hit the cover of their timeline photo and it's get my free book, get my free this. That's amazing advertising and it's free advertising space. Take advantage of that. Any place that you can go and provide awesome amounts of value, get their contact information. I don't think there's such thing as having them in too many places... Steve Larsen: Sure. Completely makes sense to me. Yeah. Absolutely. You like to do a lot of eBooks and stuff that's easy to fulfill on. You're still giving value, but that's what's actually getting them on the list that way and remarket afterwards? Josh Forti: Yeah. Anything from eBooks, webinars. I actually really like to be doing a lot of like free training stuff. Steve Larsen: Oh, cool. Josh Forti: Where I'll just go live on my Facebook group and so, you know, when I go live now we'll have 1,000 viewers, right or 1,000 people, 1,200 people that will watch that, and so you know, throughout there I'll just be like if you want more information on this specific training, you know, drop a comment below and we'll send it over to you or click this link below and go to that. It could be anything from the recording of that training. It could be an eBook. Any form of free magnet. I know you talk a lot about that. The other thing that I think is a misconception from a lot of people is they think that providing value is only free information and that like you shouldn't pitch right away with your audience. I actually used to believe that and when I first started my audience.. I didn't pitch at all and it was like 30 days on my email sequence before I would pitch anything or at least two to three weeks, and the problem that we'd run into with that, and we made a shift as soon as we realized, I mean, certainly we don't do that anymore... I mean, you train your audience and your audience is either a buying audience or it's a not-buying audience. If you can establish right away that you are there to provide massive amounts of value, that you're there for the right reasons, you clearly identified your why, you know, all those things with your branding and with your message, charging right away upfront, like having an eBook with an upsell, you know, $37, $97 or a pitch to a webinar. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: That's fine. People don't always expect to get things for free, and the people that do aren't usually your ideal customer. I think that's really important to remember that provide a lot of free information. Give them opportunity to only take advantage of free information, but having paid content, paid products and things like that, that is not a bad thing and, in fact, if anything it probably will increase the value of your audience when done right. Steve Larsen: Sure. Completely makes sense. Yeah, absolutely. That's somewhat of a locked gate, you know, between the good people and those who are there to just freeload a little bit. Josh Forti: Right. Steve Larsen: That's fascinating. Okay, cool. Cool, cool. Let's say, okay, someone's gone through and they've set the stuff up because they've got like consistency in the message, putting all the platforms together, they've got a hub. What would you say? I know I'm just kind of grilling you, man, but this is awesome stuff. Josh Forti: Yeah, yeah. Steve Larsen: Easiest free ways to grow your following? Josh Forti: Facebook group and Instagram page. Steve Larsen: Okay. Josh Forti: Those are going to be your two fastest-growing organic-growth platforms for free. With very rare exception, if you're like a ridiculously awesome video editor and you can produce a YouTube video absolutely every single day, then maybe that's an exception, but for most of us it's the Instagram platform and a Facebook group. Two reasons for this. One, Instagram is still the fastest-growing platform on social media right now. It's the hottest and it's getting the most users per day over any other platform. They're almost at a billion users there, so half the size of Facebook already. There is no way to pay the Instagram platform itself for followers like it is on Facebook. Right. I can run ads with like swipe up ads, like swipe up here. Go to this link and have that link back to my page and things like that, but there's no ad that I can run that's like, hey, Instagram, I want more followers and I want to target these people, I want these people to follow my page. Because of that, the Instagram algorithm still allows us to majorly capitalize on viral content, on Instagram networks, on engagement groups and things like that. So, posting good content, using hashtags. If you're in my group, Social Media for Entrepreneurs, you can go and we give a lot of free trainings on Instagram and social media like this a lot. Hashtags are important... The captions are important... Getting into different engagement groups or plugging into different networks with shout-for-shouts and things like that. You can still majorly take advantage of a lot of those things and grow 10,000 followers in even a month. I mean, that's not impossible. Steve Larsen: That's amazing. Josh Forti: It's totally doable, even for the beginner. A Facebook group, on the other hand, typically speaking, it's going to grow a little bit slower. You're not going to get 10,000 members in there in a month organically; however, the quality of your lead is a lot higher because it's important to remember on Instagram, and this is kind of a gold nugget here for those of you who are taking notes and listening, especially in the marketing space. Instagram followers are not buyers. Now, you might be like, Josh, okay, what the heck? Why would you preach Instagram then? You get a ridiculous amount of free traffic from Instagram and you need to push them off the platform. Instagram is amazing for free offers, free webinars, free eBooks, things like that, but very rarely do people buy on the Instagram platform. In fact, the same person on Instagram and Facebook I think is like eight times or something like that more likely to buy on the Facebook platform to a paid offer than they are on Instagram. Steve Larsen: Holy crap. Josh Forti: I don't remember what the exact thing is. However, it is probably eight times cheaper to get them on the Instagram platform and then just push them off to another platform, either on your email list or into your Facebook group. That's why on every single lead magnet that I ever create the last page of that lead magnet is a call-to-action to my Facebook group. That's true for both pay traffic and organic traffic, but particularly on Instagram you want to get them and get them off as fast as you can. We're seeing a little bit less of that. Instagram is starting to make some changes, but as of now that is still very much the case. Steve Larsen: Sure. Josh Forti: Whereas Facebook, the quality of your follower is going to be much higher, a little bit harder to acquire one, but once you have that member in your group or that follower on your page, they are much higher and Facebook is making a really big push for Facebook groups right now. It's never been easier to grow a Facebook group. Everyone's like, ah, the trend is over. I'm like, oh, no, no. The trend is just starting. To be able to capitalize upon that and really take advantage, yes, obviously, we're already partly up the wave and so it's not as easy as it was six months ago, but I mean we're still launching Facebook groups and getting 1,000 members in a month, all organically and 2,000 members in three or four months. I tell people the more active you are in a Facebook group the more Facebook will promote you and so if you can be active and you can get your members to be active then Facebook is going to recommend your group to so many other people. Do that and being very, very active in your group, having a clearcut message to that, constantly going live and posting statuses and getting people to engage, answering questions, and then having what we call lots of hoses to fill up the pool. Think of it as a swimming pool, and I got this from my buddy Arnie Getsky, you know, think of your Facebook group as a swimming pool. If you have one hose in it and if leads are only coming in from one source, it's probably going to fill pretty slow, but if on the end of every lead magnet, whether it's an eBook or a webinar training or even paid courses, and in your email lists your constantly pushing and promoting to your group from all your other social media platforms, now you have six or seven hoses in there. It's going to grow six or seven times faster... Steve Larsen: That's a great way to think of it. That's going to make me go rethink what I'm doing at the end of every one of my thank you pages now. I've got to refix some of those things. That's interesting. So, let's say, lots of free ways, lots of cool ways, and, again, like you said, you pull them from one platform, you can push them to another... Josh Forti: Right. Steve Larsen: That's huge about Instagram by the way. That's so cool. Gaining them there but pushing them to Facebook through actual purchasing. Those are free methods, right. What are some of your favorite paid methods for growing it? Let's say you've got some cash you're able to dump behind it. Hire you. Josh Forti: Facebook ads for sure. Yeah. That's an option for sure. You know, it's really interesting because paid strategies are often not always the best strategies for growing an audience. Like, in many cases they are, but don't just think because there's money behind it, it can't be done organically... Interviews, especially with bigger pages, is my favorite way to grow an audience, honestly, getting on podcasts and things like this is honestly my favorite way, but from a paid perspective my two favorite ways are going to be paid Facebook ads and influencer shout-outs on Instagram. Steve Larsen: Okay. Josh Forti: Instagram traffic is cheap. It is probably some of the cheapest traffic that you're ever going to get, so a lot of people think paid traffic, they think paying the platform itself. Find an influencer in your industry and in your niche that has similar products or services to whatever it is that you're promoting. On Instagram it's really easy to find big pages with a lot of followers, a million, half-million, two-million followers in the motivational niche or the quote niche or an entrepreneur space and purchase shout-outs from them for really pennies of what you'd pay elsewhere for the amount of exposure that you're going to be getting. If you have a good offer, usually we do something like a giveaway of some sort, usually a physical product tied in with cash, not just cash only... We've found that cash doesn't convert as well as if you do have a physical product with it. Pushing them to either your page or to an offer or to your Instagram account or to your Facebook group, that works really well. And so partnering up with influencers to get exposure is huge. I know we talked about this a little bit both in Vegas and down in Orlando, but make sure that every one of your pages is pixeled with a Facebook pixel and I hardly ever run a Facebook ad before running that offer first on Instagram... Steve Larsen: Really? Josh Forti: What I mean by that is if I'm shooting out of the dark, right, and I'm going out there and I am like trying to figure out what's going to work. I don't know who my target audience is, now this is for beginners, all right. I have no pixels. I have no audience creation. I'm just starting out. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go and I'm going to take my offer. Usually it's a free offer because I'm going to Instagram with it and I pixeled all the pages and I'll go and for the people that hit my offer I'm going to get lots and lots of traffic on that page. So for $500 on you know Facebook, I might get opt-ins for like $5 and I might get 100 opt-ins. For $500 on you know Instagram I can get opt-ins for $2 or $1, depending on the audience. So, all those people are going to hit the page plus all the people that hit the page that didn't opt-in, now I have an audience created and I have an audience created of people that just hit the page and are interested and then another audience created of people that actually opted in, right, because I have that page pixeled too. Now, I can actually create lookalike audiences on Facebook or re-target those specific people on Facebook for those that didn't buy or that I want to target them with a similar product and I'm going to get higher conversions right off the bat and I'm going to be able to play around right at the beginning. If you are just getting started in paid traffic and you have under a $3,000-4,000 budget total, to play around with this, I'd highly recommend throwing $500 or $1,000 at an Instagram, a couple of Instagram shout-outs. Typically, story shout-outs work best, story with a swipe-up feature... Steve Larsen: Oh, cool. Josh Forti: That usually works better than a post... Doing things like that, getting a lot of data, pixeling up those pixels, getting them firing off so that you have an audience and then going over there and retargeting on Facebook for Facebook ads for different offers like that. Steve Larsen: That's an amazing strategy. That's so cool. Pulling from that. Josh Forti: Yeah. Steve Larsen: Oh, man. Then you're retargeting them and okay. Cool. Cool. Josh Forti: You can create lookalike audiences from there and whatnot. And then as far as growing a Facebook group, so important thing to note is it against Facebook's terms of service to run a Facebook ad directly to a Facebook group. Just FYI. Steve Larsen: Right. Josh Forti: We had an account shut down. We learned the hard way. Avoid that. However, if you did want to grow a Facebook group and you do want to, man, I really want to focus on a Facebook group, one of the strategies, like I said, that we have found is just get your highest converting free offer. Like, something that's going to opt-in at like 60-70% that everybody's opting in at, and then maybe your thank you page, basically a sales page to join a free group. Steve Larsen: Clever. Josh Forti: That's going to be the fastest way to be able to, so instead of an upsell, if you're like, man, I've got $3,000 to dump at advertising for my group, how am I going to do that best? If you want to run paid traffic just find your highest converting landing page, put the thank you page as basically a sales page for that group and then as long as that group is on the second page and not on the first page that they click on, you should be fine and then you can promote people to that group that way. Steve Larsen: That's amazing. It's a little gray hat action. Zuckerberg, you hear that? Just kidding. Josh Forti: A little bit. I'm sure he's listening, so, you know. Steve Larsen: He's everywhere. We've got Zucker in the air. Josh Forti: That's right. That's right. Steve Larsen: Hey. That's super cool. Just a final question here. I guess is there some kind of platform that helps people be able to pull this off and do this? I don't know, something that you like or are you literally kind of manually going through and doing all this stuff, pushing all these different platforms and stuff? Is there a tool that you're using? Josh Forti: As far as like the content, like pushing out the content or creating the content or getting the data or like what specifically? Steve Larsen: Yeah. I guess not so much curating, pushing it around though. Josh Forti: Oh, gosh. We have a team, different BA's or whatnot. Steve Larsen: Sure. Josh Forti: I think that's probably going to be the best way for most people is just diversifying content from there, different transcripts and things like that. As far as like pushing it out, like there are different schedulers, like you can schedule content on Instagram, Onlypult and Groom both are like, if you want to schedule content to be automatically posted. Those ones both work for Instagram. Typically speaking, the reach is a little bit lower because Instagram knows, but they have said, yeah, you can do that. For Facebook we use like Buffer or Hootsuite. Once again, in my experience, reach is lower, so I always like to just post things. For me, I really value the exposure. Steve Larsen: Sure. Josh Forti: I really value reaching the maximum amount of people that I can reach. I post everything manually. My BA's don't use schedulers. I don't use schedulers. Everything that you see is done from a real person. As far as analytics and like data is concerned, the Instagram platform, social info is actually mine, so you know, slightly partial, but we have crafted and we coded. We've been working on this for the last eight months... We've been tweaking and tweaking and tweaking it. Social info basically gives you, for the Instagram platform, every piece of data you need from what content is working or not working for influencers to hashtag research to being able to download other people's content to like everything that you need on there to checking if your account is shadow banned, things like that. From an Instagram perspective, if you're trying to grow your Instagram organically, social info, it's my favorite platform for that. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. Appreciate that. Thank you so much. Hey, I appreciate it. Where can actually people reach out to you and be following you and be seeing what you're doing? Josh Forti: Yeah. The best way to stay in touch is just going to be the Facebook group. Use my strategies that I just told you guys. Post it all to one place. Social Media for Entrepreneurs. If you got to socialmediaforentrepreneurs.co it will take you right to the group and you'll be able to check that out. And then if you want something for free there is an eBook that I wrote and it's all about how to create a profitable personal brand and actually start generating leads for free with the audience that you have on Facebook and optimizing your Facebook profile and things like that. If you go to joshforti.com/ebook. My last name is spelled F-O-R-T-I, but joshforti.com/ebook. You can get something for free there. That's a pretty cool book and there's some contact information as well as the thank you pages, a call-to-action to join the Facebook group. Steve Larsen: Yeah, and what better to go check out a live example of everything we've been talking about then just to go check out the group anyway. Josh Forti: That's right. Steve Larsen: Social Media for Entrepreneurs. Awesome stuff. Well, I appreciate it. Thanks so much Josh and thanks for taking the time to do this. Josh Forti: Absolutely, man. I appreciate you having me on, and I look forward to working with you and making the world a better place. Steve Larsen: Boom. Just try to tell me you didn't like that. Hey, whoever controls content controls the game. Want to interview me or get interviewed yourself? Grab a time now at stevejlarsen.com.

Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on everyone? It's Steve Larsen and you're listening to the completely epic, totally conceited and amazing episode of Secret MLM Hacks Radio. Here's the real mystery. How do real MLM-ers like us [inaudible 00:00:13] cheat and only bug family members and friends? Want to grow a profitable home business? How do we recruit A players into our down lines and create extra incomes, yet still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives? That's the blaring question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. What's up, guys? Please know that I'm joking, but honestly, this is amazing stuff. What I want to do today is I want to you guys through. A few days ago, I was thinking through where I am in my own business, my down line, and I just thought to myself, "I wonder what's the biggest people have been able to go do because of this podcast or what I'm teaching or the course? What is that?" Anyway, I decided that I would reach out to all these people and I would ask them, "What's the thing?" I got back some crazy responses. I had no idea. What's the biggest you guys have taken away? What's the biggest thing you've learned? Tell me what's the result from which you've learned. The learning part, I love being able to see people understand stuff and get epiphanies and things like that, but it's learning for a purpose, which is to make more cash, to get more people in the down line. I know that and I'm aware of that, I'm cognizant of that, and that's honestly, one of the biggest bars of success that I care about. When we're off and we're selling, I want you to think about it this way. I build a lot of sales funnels for a lot of people, for myself. Anyways, large individuals, school, you'd all know the names if I said. Anyway, I don't know if I'm allowed to. It's been fun going through and doing this. There's this really interesting thing that happens. I want you to think about your MLM's product. Can you sell your MLM's product? Yeah. Can you sell your MLM's opportunity? Right, I'm sure. Yeah, absolutely. What happens, though ... Let's say you're standing with a friend, someone that you would love, or someone that you just met, but somebody that you would like to be inside the opportunity. What happens when another person walks up and just talks up like crazy to MLM, like, "This is amazing. Oh, my gosh. This is incredible. It completely changed my life." They do that in front of someone who's not in the MLM. You'd be like, "Duh. Steven, of course, the guy is going to freak out and be amazed and be like, 'This is amazing. There really is something to this.'" There's this third party validation that's going on that matters like crazy. I remember there was a ... It's going to make me sound really conceited. There was this time, there was this event going on at Click Funnels HQ, and I had been publishing a lot. We were able to go and help a whole bunch of people. It was a lot of fun. I walked in the door, there was a bunch of people that turned around, like, "Oh, my gosh. It's Steve Larsen." They'd come up and they start taking pictures and things like that. This guy walks up and he goes, "What are you, some kind of celebrity or something?" I was like, "No, I wouldn't say that. I'm not trying to be. I really like what I do and I talk about it." Some guy next to him was like, "This is Steve Larsen. Oh, my gosh. Really incredible." Crazy. To an awkward amount. I was like, "Okay. Thank you." [inaudible 00:03:37] What happened to that guy? I feel really awkward that I just said that story. Think about it with you. Is somebody going to walk up and be like, "Oh, my gosh," whatever your name is, "You're amazing. You're incredible." I'm just trying to be real here and open and honest with you. Are there other people who will, right now, walk up when they see you and be like, "It's you in the flesh. Oh, my gosh"? I don't care what you think about him, but if the president of the United States was to walk in your house, you would go (gasps), "Wow." That awe feeling. "Wow." Have that feeling of (gasps). That feeling, that internal reaction to what is going on. Will somebody else have that reaction when you walk in the room? Guys, it is my strong, firm belief that if you want recognition in this planet, do not seek it. It is a gift that comes to those who have been actively trying to bless human societies, to bless the human race, to bless people or prospective customers, buyers. Does that make sense? People who are actually delivering real value. Don't go out and ... Guys. If anyone goes and rents cars that are fancy and takes pictures in front of them for the social media profile, I'm going to slap you. I am so against that. Be real, be ethical, be honest. When people think about your MLM, when people this about your opportunity, do they have the reaction of (gasps), "Wow. Oh, my gosh. That's amazing. Whoa"? That honor feeling. Do they have that? If they don't, it's okay. Just be honest about it. Is that there? If it's not, that's okay. If it is there, that's great. Identify why. Turn that up. That's part of what makes you talkable. You cannot talk somebody into joining your MLM. If you can, they may not be the right person to get in. Very hard to get those kinds of ... The best kinds of people I like to go recruit are the people that are hard to recruit because they're busy individuals. They have so much going on already. That is the best person on planet Earth for me to go get because they're active individuals. I don't have to hold a cattle prod to their back to get them to do anything. In order to create that feeling about what you do, who you are, your reputation, and again, I'm trying to let you know use this for good. Don't be a schmuck about it. I know that everyone listening ... By the way, we're getting 150 downloads a day on this podcast. I did not know that until I just looked at it. Really cool. Thank you so much for listening. I appreciate that. I am actively trying to change the MLM industry and thanks for joining me on this journey. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know I don't care what MLM you're in, when people either hear about it or they learn your opportunity, or they are for the first time, seeing your product, how do you create the feeling of (gasps), "Wow"? It will not be by you talking about you. That's the fastest way to feel and look and be and be perceived as conceited and a self-righteous snob. An element of credibility is still needed. How do you do that? Here's one of the easiest ways to do it. I remember I was building a funnel for this lady. She was from Australia, but she used to live in Africa. They escaped Africa. Really interesting story. I don't know if I should tell all of it because there's actually some really scary elements to it. They literally ran. There was actual gunshots. It was actually a pretty scary story. She ran. They got out of Africa where they were living and they moved over to Australia. When they were in Australia, she had to go through the incredible, ridiculous mound of paperwork that it took in order to get a visa to be in Australia. I don't know if they ran straight to Australia, but eventually, they went to do their paperwork, they got over there. She became an expert at this process. She was able to drastically and severely lower the pain needed for someone to get into Australia. We were making this funnel where in three steps, you could get a visa to Australia. She was very, very good at it. She was an expert at it. She helped a whole lot of people get in. She had all of these case studies and testimonials of people that she had helped, people who were saying, "I needed to get a visa quickly," or "I needed this," or "I needed that." The process is years for some people. What we did not do is make a video with her saying how amazing she is. That doesn't sell anybody. It just lets the world know what you think about yourself. When I have people apply to join my down line, I do not have a video of me saying how awesome I am. I have tons of video of other people saying how much I've been able to help them. Lots of cool success stories. Tons of other people who are like, "My gosh, this guy changed my life." If I say it, it feels a little weird. You might be feeling right now, "Man, Steve had never talked this way." That's the reason why. If I come out and I say that, people are like, "Oh, my gosh. This guy is kind of full of himself." Even though it's important to be confident, it's important to know you're good, it's important to know when to talk about yourself, but come on, no one wants to hear that from everybody all the time. In fact, really, hardly ever. How do you do this? One of the easiest ways to do this is just go gather cool testimonials and stories about what you've been able to do for other people in their life and use that as your sales message. If at all, just include it with the sales message that you have to sell your opportunity, to sell the product. If your MLM has loaded you up with testimonials, it works if they're generic ones that came from the MLM. If you can get them about you, if you can get them about how cool it is to be on your team, oh, my gosh, that is so powerful because now you're not the only one selling. The burden is spread. It's no longer just on your back to say, "Look how cool I am. Yeah. I do know what I'm doing. This team is really cool." Now you have a whole bunch of people that are like, "Oh, my gosh. This is incredible. This has been life changing. It has changed everything for me. Thank you so much. This is incredible." Does that make sense? There's good testimonials and there's bad testimonials. Not all testimonials are created equal. Bad testimonials are when someone's standing there and they're like, "Hey. I didn't know if I should come to this even or join this down line. I'm so glad I did. If you think that you want to do this, you should." That's a stupid testimonial, okay? Those are dumb. The way to make good testimonials is, we have to understand the backstory of the individual who is talking. Otherwise, we do not relate to what they they are saying. I like to use something called an epiphany bridge script. I literally will hand that script to the person who's giving the testimonial and I'll say, "Answer the questions for this script. What's your backstory? What kind of desires did you have internally about you? What were the desire you had externally? What did you want to go accomplish or get or see have happen? What kind of objections did you have? What were the unexpected walls? When you got over those walls, what was the new plan? Now that you got over the wall, what's the brand new plan?" Then next after that it's like, "What conflict did you hit again, the unexpected thing that happened?" When we know what those stories ... Then what did you accomplish at the end? When you know what that backstory is to the individual, that is the testimonial. That is so much powerful. Go find a Hollywood movie that does not have that script in it. What's fascinating is when you get people to do that, they will connect on an emotional level. What's happening inside the prospect's head, what's happening inside their head is they are saying, "Oh, my gosh. I relate to this person. Now Steve is not just trying to sell me on why I should join his down line. This lady, this person, this guy, they are ... Huh. I totally thought the same thing. I totally had the same kind of conflict, the same unexpected thing. I was similar to that." Now what happens, they reach out to that person. I don't care if that testimonial of that person, I don't care if that person brings them into the down line. It still helps me. Why would I care about that? It makes me sellable without me selling myself. If you don't have testimonials and you've been walking around, talking to people, and lets say did you have the ones from your MLM, that's fine, that's great, but they are nowhere near the amount of power as to when you get someone else to say them. "Oh, man, I joined Steve's team. I got the product of the MLM Steven's in. Incredible. It was amazing. So cool. I had serious pain here or I really wanted this to happen," and they go into the internal and the external desires. They go through the different walls and they go through the different conflicts that happened. Then they're like, "Dang." I have a whole string of those kinds of videos and I have it next to the application that I make people fill out when they want to join my down line. It's part of the process I have them go through. They're real testimonials. Those are my friends now and they're people that I get to work and hang out with. That's all I'm trying to say. If you want to turn up the sexy on what you're doing, if you want to turn up the sexy, go get testimonials. One of the things, just because I am a script writer, when I say that to you, you're probably now convinced that ... I'm trying to back track. We're going to exit Steven doing a podcast right now and enter my mind of where I'm going right now. I just showed you a new opportunity. I showed you a new way to get sales in. What I know happens now is there a knee jerk objection. Something that inherently pops into your head as to why that's not true, or why that won't work for you. The first one, I imagine, you're saying to yourself when I say, "Go get testimonials," is you're like, "I don't have anyone to give testimonials for me." I guarantee someone who's listening right now said that to themselves. "I don't have anyone to ask. I must need a team in order for this to work for me." That's the objection most likely going through your head for a lot of people. To that, my counter, is to say, if you don't have someone who you can go get testimonials from, the next thing that you go do is you go get people who at least know who you are and you ask the question, "What's it like to work with me?" You get those people to answer, preferably on a video. If it's just with them holding their iPhone, preferably on a video, though, and they answer the question, "What's it like to work Steve? What's it like to work with you?" The next question that I know that most likely is going to be a knee jerk reaction to that is, "I'm not good enough anyway. I'm not actually good enough ... I haven't done anything for anybody yet. Crap. I'm realizing that I don't know that anyone could give me a testimonial." That's another ... We're exiting the podcast episode, going into Steve's mind as he's starting to look around and say ... As I say this to you, most likely the large majority of you are going to say X, Y, and Z. In that scenario, if you're like, "I don't know if anyone could actually give me a testimonial," my gosh, guys, then go find somebody that you can do some for. I don't care if you do it for free. That's actually how I started in a lot of this game. I found somebody, I looked at their business, I looked at their stuff, I looked at the scenario and I was like, "You know what? With this kind of scenario, I could blow that person up" and I did, and I recorded the story. It's the story that launched me. You got to find a way to get the story. Exit the podcast episode right now, go back to Steven in his own internal conversation which can be a scary place. He's saying to himself, I know that when I go get testimonials, other people are going to say, "I don't have camera equipment. What kind of time is this going to take? I don't know that I have the resources to go get something like a testimonial. I don't know how to do video. I don't know how to put this stuff together." Go back into the episode, and now I've got something to say to that. I'm trying to help you guys see it doesn't matter what you're saying. Any new idea that you seed inside somebody's head, whether you're selling them on your MLM, you're selling them on your product, you have to be prepared and look forward and have foresight for the objections they will most likely have, and have a counter to it. I guarantee you listening to this right now, most of you are probably listening to it on your phone. It actually is more authentic a lot of times, and it actually sells a little better, and actually a lot of times it'll make you more believable when the people are using their own iPhones and sending you the video. That's it. I'm sure there's free software where you can drop a series of your videos, or just put your videos ... Anyway. Put them on YouTube. When someone's like, "I'm thinking about it," be like, "Oh, yeah, cool. Let me send you a few videos real quick so you know what this team is about." It's just the video testimonials of people who are basically selling you without selling you. Selling your opportunity without selling your opportunity. Selling your product without selling the product. It's one of the most powerful ways where it's not such a rigid script. It does help if you follow the format I was just saying. It's not such a rigid script, though. Having them says, "Look, other people have basically proven that I'm not a schmuck." That's basically it. If you can get that to happen, if you're not the one saying it, of course ... If I go ask a car salesman, "I don't know if I should get another car," what are they going to say? "Oh, yeah, you should totally get another car." That's why you're not believable when you say those kinds of things about yourself. "I've done this and I've spoken here and I'm on Forbes and [inaudible 00:17:40]." It comes across very conceited and it's not believable. The way to get around it and the way to sell people without selling, one of the easiest ways is to gather tons of testimonials. Those of you guys who have existing down lines, go ask your down lines for testimonials about you. Ultimately, that's what people are buying. We all know that from the classic cliché and phrases, ultimately people are purchasing you, not the MLM. Get them about you and find a way to deliver them as part of your onboarding or prospecting methods, whether using sales funnels or not. Whatever. Put them on YouTube and you can use them in different areas. Put them on your own website if you have one. Transcribe them. Put them on your blog. One of the ones I got here, which is really, really cool, super cool, I think the world of her. She's amazing. She went through and she said, "I haven't had any money success ..." Meaning in the past she was having a hard time selling stuff. She came in and she bought the Secret MLM Hacks program, and I want to share with you the results. This has been amazing. She said, "I have three girls. Oldest just turned five so they're home with me all the time and my husband is in the Army, and he's gone a lot." I'm paraphrasing pieces, personal data. You know what I mean? She said, "I'm bootstrapping this whole thing. Because of that, I went through your entire course. I took tons of notes, filled out the workbooks. Now I'm building as much as I possibly can to start getting immediate results and hopefully get things flowing quickly. I'm also trying to find other ways to bring cash in." "Basically, I am a crazy lady who has big fat dreams of getting our family into a financial position where my husband doesn't have to work all the time and can stay a positive service for him. You taught me how to make it all possible even with my babies. I wake up early and work late. While my successes haven't been huge yet, I've learned a ton." This was pretty cool. She said, "I don't know the correct way to say it, but before taking this, one out of every five people I showed my product to bought. Since the course," and she's learned how to sell. She's learned a lot ... I'm sorry. I'm stumbling here. She's learned a lot more about marketing. She said, "At least one out of every three people is buying from me right now." That is so sweet. Anyway, super cool. She's incredible and awesome. I'm grabbing the next one here also. It's pretty cool. She said, "Hey, Steve, one of the cool things I've gained from your course is realizing how important it is to start publishing regularly. I started a podcast right away, 10 days ago, and have started 10 episodes. After the third, I had someone reach out and tell me they were loving the information giving, and they were excited." She's now prospecting. She's getting leads already. That's why ... Oh, man. Go get it. If you are sick and tired of where you are in your MLM business, it takes a giant shock of energy, a huge shift, a massive sacrifice, something your side to go and actually make a huge difference and change what's been happening. She said, "They had been discouraged because their MLM recently pushed home parties, and so was I. I was able to chat with her about the growing power of doing this another way, so the product. So fun to see these people are responding so quickly to my podcast. It's gradually moving up in the iTunes charts in just 10 days." Super cool, guys. Lots and lots of cool things. People are recruiting like crazy. One of the coolest ones so far, because this has just been a lot. Not just from ... It's cool when people learn stuff. I want the outcome, though. I really, really, really want the outcome for everybody. It's been happening. It's been working. One of the craziest testimonials so far has been somebody set up some of the things I was talking about on Sunday, they turned traffic on, on Monday, and they had someone in their down line on Tuesday. It was nuts. That's just one example. Obviously, an extreme example, but there's been a whole bunch of others as well. People are recruiting. People are getting more into their down lines. It's just not fluff stuff. Stuff actually works. I just got my 225th person applying to join my down line, my personal one, let alone all the other people that I teach how to do it, too. Anyway, hopefully that was helpful to you. Go out and start thinking about how you can get your street cred and how you can document it in a cool way. What's super fun too, is ... If you're gutsy about it, call your shot and say publicly, if you're publishing regularly be like, "I'm going to go out and I'm going to do X," and publish the journey as you pursue X. Even if you don't hit X, the pursuit of that is followable. As you go, people will give you testimonials even for that. Figure out what it is that you can go do to get people who have sent you videos and have sent you testimonials. I have a file I collect them in, so that when I need them, I can use them and it works super well. Massive way to sell without selling and very, very helpful. It's actually a whole module in the course Secret MLM Hacks. All right guys, thanks so much. Hopefully that was helpful to you and in fact, I know it will be if you do it. Thanks so much and see you on the next episode. Bye. Hey. Thanks for listening. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Would you like me to teach your own down line five simple MLM recruiting tips for free? If so, go download your free MLM Masters Pack by subscribing to this podcast at secretmlmhacksradio.com.

  For 6 months I've developed a friendship with Noah, and had deep "funnel-doctrine" conversations with him, only find out (3 weeks ago) that he's 12 years old! Very impressive individual...      Hey, what's going on everyone? This is Steve Larsen and you're listening to a very special episode of Sales Funnel Radio... I've spent the last four years learning from the most brilliant marketers today. And now I've left my 9:00 to 5:00 to take the plunge and build my million dollar business. The real question is how will I do it without VC funding or debt completely from scratch? This podcast is here to give you the answer. Join me and follow along as I learn, apply, and share marketing strategies to grow my online business using only today's best internet sales funnels. My name is Steve Larsen and welcome to Sales Funnel Radio... Hey what's up, guys? I am very, very excited for today. This is ... You guys got a treat ready for you today. This is going to be a lot of fun. There's been a lot of times when I've been holding my little ones or I'm the oldest of six kids, actually, and it's pretty fascinating to see the wisdom that comes from anywhere around us... Wisdom has no age limits. Wisdom has no bounds. And I do a lot of live funnel builds and I don't know if you guys have had the chance to join me on that and actually build a sales funnel live with me. Well, there was this one occasion ... and this will help set the stage for this very special individual who's coming on with me in just a moment. But I was building this sales funnel one time and then there was one guy on there who was just really interactive with me. And was pretty much over typing, finishing my sentences.   I remember one instance went and looked up the URL of the funnel that I was building live in front of everybody ... went to that and logged in and actually opted in to that funnel as I was building it live in front of everybody. It was hilarious. It made me laugh really, really hard. I had no idea that it was a 12 year old. And until literally we met at Funnel Hacking Live. And it astounded me. When I was 12 years old, I think I was eating gummy bears and playing Halo. That's it. So it's amazing to me to see the actual wisdom, the incredible ... so advanced compared to what I was doing when I was 12 years old. So anyways, I have incredible respect for this individual. Very, very ... And we've honestly become great friends the past little bit here and it's been really fun to see his journey. But I want to, guys, welcome to the show Noah Lenz. Noah, how are you doing buddy?   Noah Lenz: I'm doing great. Awesome to be here today on Sales Funnel Radio. Steve Larsen: It's good to have you. It's very good to have you. That time when you were dancing circles around me while I was building these funnels live. I was like man, who is this guy? This is awesome. I was like whoa. That's incredible. Noah Lenz: Yeah, I listen to the show all the time. I'm at school and it's like new Sales Funnel Radio episode. I'm going to listen to this at lunch. Okay, good, good, good. I don't need to wait until I get home. And it's so awesome to actually be on the show right now. I always listen to it but to be on the show, it's just amazing. Steve Larsen: You're an inspiration. And I know that every person is going to be ... will kill me if I don't ask the question, how on earth did you get started doing this? This is not a normal thing for a 12 year old to do? It's amazing. Noah Lenz: That is literally the most common question I get asked. Steve Larsen: I'm sure. Noah Lenz: In terms of the whole entrepreneurship game, I'm not really sure what drew me to it entirely. But when I was about eight-ish, I really got into the business of making websites using WordPress and all that. ...And I eventually, my dad's like you need to start making some money off this, start doing it for some other people. My first one was actually for a political candidate in the local area. And I made a website for him and all that. And then, about a year ago I saw video from who is now my good friend and mentor, and I actually build funnels for him, Caleb Maddix. And everybody needs to read the book Dot Com Secrets. And like okay, I'll go do it. And it turns out we already had the book on our bookshelf so that night I literally ... I could not put the thing down... It's like oh my gosh. You can have a one click upsell. You don't even need to type in their credit card. Oh my gosh. And I just got so, so into it. And eventually, I'm like how can I do this? Hmm. And I had ideas going in my mind about what different funnels I could build. But I was never crazy about it for a while. And then, eventually I remembered that a while back I had done a website for this political candidate. And I'm like I really liked doing websites for political candidates. It's things that were kind of easy to deal with. It's the same type thing. I need to get serious about this... So I was thinking how could I do this? I could send out stuff in the mail. I could maybe hire somebody to code comp. And then, I remembered Dot Com Secrets. And I'm like, whoa, I can make a funnel for this. So that's how I basically got started with the funnel game and ever since I've just been obsessed with it. Steve Larsen: That's incredible. That's incredible. So you go through and you read Dot Com Secrets. That is so interesting to me that you did that. As you've been going through and building this stuff and putting all these things together, first of all, you said something that I thought was really, really interesting. You said that your dad eventually said hey, it's time to go try and make money with this. ...That's very wise for a parent to do that. What was your reaction when he said that? Noah Lenz: Well, it wasn't like full intensity but just one day I remember this vividly. My brother and my mom were at some sort of play or something. And I was at my dad's office. And he was like so you make these websites for other people. ...Are you doing it for fun? How about you think maybe you could get something going here. And I'm like oh wow. And I just was like you know, rather than sitting around all day and playing video games, I just got it going. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. That's awesome. And did he ... Was he able to help you on certain things? You seem like you're just full steam ahead on your own and don't really need ... No one's pushing you along to do this. Noah Lenz: Well, he gave me the resources. Steve Larsen: Sure. Noah Lenz: We always joke around about he taught me how to use cPanel wrong or something. But he gave me the resources. He gave me all the resources that I needed. And then, he taught me a little about what to do here, here, and there. But after he gave me the resources, honestly I just watched YouTube videos, read books, listened to podcasts. I just mostly learned it on my own but if it weren't for him introducing me to the resources, I wouldn't be where I am to. Steve Larsen: What's your favorite part of the entire funnel building process itself? What do you like to actually do with it? Noah Lenz: Oh, in terms of my favorite type of funnel. Steve Larsen: Yeah, type of funnel or is it the building or do you like writing the copy, the sales message? Noah Lenz: Honestly, it's the offer creation. The page building's cool. But I like the offer creation figuring out okay, we have this, what else can I give? What else can I give? What else can I give? ...To make it as awesome as possible but really all around I like just doing webinar slides. I love doing webinars. And then, I also it turns out I'm really good at high ticket funnels so I need to do some more of those. But I like the high ticket funnels but then I also like webinars and offer creation. Steve Larsen: That's amazing. So high ticket funnels and webinars. And I saw recently, you've been really active on Instagram. You've been publishing like crazy... You're probably one of my best students ever from the podcast. You're actually doing all of it which is awesome. Now when you're doing webinars, you just barely did one. What is it that you're selling now? What are you doing now? Noah Lenz: Okay, so right now I need to get more focused and one of Russell's ... Actually, the very first one he did at Funnel Hacking Live has helped a lot with that. But on the most recent webinar I did, I think I mentioned Caleb Maddix earlier, but he used to have a program called Summa Success. And he also did it with somebody called Emily Shay. And it went great. I think you actually built the funnel for that originally, the webinar, didn't you, Steve? Steve Larsen: I think so. It might not be the same one but definitely did a while ago. Noah Lenz: Yeah, on like Funnel Hacker TV or something. Steve Larsen: It was a long time ago. I don't remember honestly. Noah Lenz: Yeah, no problem. But you built so many funnels that it's just crazy. So he had all this content for Maddix book clubs, Summa Success, YouTube channel. And he was spending crazy amounts of time on it when it was really just a trip wire kind of like Funnel-U or just like a middle offer. ...And he was spending a ton of time on it. And he also had a publishing company at the time which he was spending just as much time on. And the publishing company was just far exceeding his expectations. And there were a whole bunch of problems going on with Summa. So he had to shut it down. But it was driving me nuts because I was like he has all this good content but we're just not doing anything with it. So I talked him in kind of like what you did with Secrets Mastery class to taking all his content and putting it together in chronological order and getting that all like first, in order to do this, you need to do this and this. So I got it all together in one huge membership site. Got it all mapped out on a spreadsheet, plugged it in and all that. And there's hundreds of lessons in there. But the goal is to help kids become successful and all that. And so, that's what the webinar is for right now. Steve Larsen: That's incredible. So you built ... Oh my gosh, I'm just blown away right now. You're probably the smartest kid I've ever met in my entire life, Noah. That is so, so incredible. Oh my gosh... So you went through ... You put his content in an order that's more easy to consume and actually apply and do stuff with. And then, you built a webinar to sell it. Noah Lenz: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Steve Larsen: Congratulations man. It takes the rest of us adults a while just to do that alone. That's really, really ... You should be very proud. I hope that you are, man. That's incredible. Noah Lenz: And the goal with that was we actually code named it Project Passive Income. So the goal of this, we just wanted to take all the content that he already had and then basically just put me in charge or actually selling it. So that's what we've been doing. Steve Larsen: Now what kind of roadblocks have you hit along the way as you've been doing this? Noah Lenz: I've hit a lot of them. Not huge things but one of them is at first, to be honest, I was very hesitant to actually want to use ClickFunnels. Steve Larsen: Sure. Noah Lenz: I was like that's $97 a month. Blah, blah, blah. False, belief, false belief. So I'm like ugh. But eventually, it's like you know what, I need to get this out there but I don't want to use ClickFunnels. I don't want to use WordPress. I know, I'm going to use Leadpages which I now call Loki Pages. So I sign up for Leadpages, $25 a month, four times cheaper. So I signed up Leadpages and I get in there and it was not good. I get in there to Loki Pages and I'm starting building out my thing. And I say, perfect. Now it's time to go do the checkout page. Perfect. Great. So I go in there to the checkout page and it says checkout page is not available unless you upgrade to the whatever a month plan. And it was more than ClickFunnels. And I'm like ah! But I don't want ClickFunnels. SamCart, what about SamCart? So I go run over to SamCart. $25, perfect. As much as Leadpages. Go over there. What do you mean my landing page can only have 100 characters? Come on now. Well, 100 character landing pages sell better. Okay, sure thing. I just got so tired of it and I ran over to ClickFunnels and it was the best decision of my life. And I wish I would have just saved myself that time and all that and just originally went with ClickFunnels. So that was the main one. Steve Larsen: That's incredible. Noah, that's amazing. What other kind of things do you run into? You like the offer creation piece. The actual building of it obviously I'm sure. What are you doing to get traffic to your stuff right now? Noah Lenz: Traffic. That's been a major roadblock for me in terms of initial question. But I have been studying traffic like crazy lately. So I am doing a lot of Facebook ads. And what I found out is I'm not very good with the actual conversion type, traffic type. We need a 2.5 frequency with a $17 ad cap or whatever. I don't understand all that. But I'm fairly good with the copy and just the actual ad type. So right now I'm figuring out how we can take Facebook ads to the next level and all of that. But I've just been running my own but I'm looking to hire an ads manager where I deal with the creative piece. They deal with all that. And then, I've also been for Summa Success, I've been working on Dream 100 strategy for other big players in this spot, in this space. And that's what I've been doing a lot of. Getting cool gift packages together. And then, also you can never underestimate the power of events. You can get a ton of traffic into your funnels just from going to events. So that's what I've been doing a lot of too. And I've also ... I used to do a lot more Google Ads. I'm not a huge fan of Google Ads but that's mainly where I've been getting my traffic. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. I'm going ads. Facebook, I'm not honestly ... I don't want to learn how to do that stuff. I can write the copy, the hook part, all that stuff. I love that part. Noah Lenz: Same here. Steve Larsen: But the mechanics of it, it's like oh. I'd rather do Dream 100 stuff, things like that. Noah Lenz: Exactly. Steve Larsen: Now what are you doing for traffic as far as going to events? That was kind of interesting. Noah Lenz: So whenever I went to Funnel Hacking Live, I had this funnel built out. And it was a funnel and it was basically like a home page funnel if you guys have ever heard of that. But it was only for Epic Shell attendees. And so I had something on there and it's like, do you want this exact funnel for yourself? You can get it for only $47 or whatever. And so, it was also just a great list grower. And a lot of it too is just networking and then you can get connections there and then later on, you can go back to those people you know keep providing value, helping them with everything. And then later on, you can say hey, I have this real special offer I think would be great for you. And then, also I went to one of Caleb's entrepreneurial retreats a while back and there's a couple people there that are on a waiting list right now wanting me to build their funnels around. So that's what a lot of it has been. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. Thanks for sharing that. You know I wanted to ... I mean, it's no doubt that you're going to be successful in this. I'm sure you already are which is awesome. As far as looking back to again what got you where you are, what are the books or the courses of the educational things that really helped you get where you are? You know what I mean? If you were to sit down, this is something I'm thinking of right now. Wow, I wish ... My little girl is four years old and I hope so much that in four more years I can get her going on these kinds of things too. You know what I mean? What kinds of things do you think I should indoctrinate her with, I mean, teach her, that would help? You know what I mean? As a parent, what are the things you look back and like thanks dad, that helped me a lot. Noah Lenz: Really, it would really rather than waiting, just actually doing something and just going forward with it. And then, Expert Secrets, obviously. I've read that book I don't know how many times now. Dot Com Secrets. And then, also the Funnel-U Gift Package. That's an amazing, just an awesome package that has a lot of stuff. And then, of course, we also have the Funnel Hacks membership. And just that alone has so much content in there that you can easily be successful with it. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. That's awesome. And where do you go to keep learning the information as well without getting overwhelmed? How do you choose what to learn and what not to learn? Noah Lenz: Okay, so more or less, I listen basically ... I listen to you, Dave Woodward, and Uncle Russell, as I like to call him. Steve Larsen: Uncle Russell, nice. Noah Lenz: Caleb calls him Uncle Russell all the time. And somebody the other day was like no wonder you're so successful, your uncle is Russell Brunson. Anyways, so I basically I study a few other players in the business game but I mainly just study you three. And I just study everything you have out there. Russell, some days I constantly reload my Instagram like every five minutes just to see if he's posted a new story. I have a zap set up so that whenever he posts a new YouTube video I get a text. So I like crazy study his stuff. And Funnel-U obviously, whenever the new edition comes in the mail I rip the package open, read it right away. And then, I'm also just always go back and study his old stuff. I got the little marketing in your car MP3 drive and I'm listening to all 257 episodes like crazy. Just going through trying to take away little nuggets. Rather than getting overwhelmed with a whole bunch of gurus, I just study deeply with a couple of them. Steve Larsen: I think that's really key. I think that's really smart. And I'm noticing more and more, just drinking really deeply from the two or three you love and broadly from the rest. I absolutely love that. What do you think is driving you to do this? You know what I mean? Noah Lenz: I think it's more or less the impact because especially with Summa Success, that's what helped me. And I know that if other kids can get that, it's just amazing. But just also at the end of the day, I just love marketing too. Marketing is my favorite thing on planet earth other than my family and God and all that. But marketing, I love it. Steve Larsen: That's so cool. Noah Lenz: I'm so obsessed with it. So that's a lot of it. Steve Larsen: That's so cool. I will never bash public education or anything like that but more and more and more, it's no longer enough to actually make a real difference in the long run for how to actually make money. So I think it's really amazing that you've dove into it this early. And honestly, with Summa Success and you basically are bringing in your own students. Other kids, students that you're teaching. You're helping them be successful as well. That's awesome. I'm sure that's fast tracking what you're doing as well. Now what advice would you give for somebody who just, I don't know, they just feel kind of stuck. They see what could happen but they're like oh, I don't even know where to start on this. Noah Lenz: Well, what I would do is I wouldn't try and be perfect at first. I would just get your ClickFunnels account. Don't try Leadpages. Don't try SamCart. Get your ClickFunnels account and go sign up and literally make a webinar funnel. Or just read Expert Secrets, Read Dot Com Secrets, and Brenda and Calen, what they did was they would watch a video for like 30 seconds. Stop it. Go do it. And you should do the same thing. Read Expert Secrets. Do a webinar. Okay, let me ... I'll sign up for Funnel Scripts here. Enter my stuff in. Oh perfect, got a webinar. Let's run some traffic to it. Boom. So I think other than just being obsessed with it, of course, I'm a huge Russell fan. I study him like crazy. But don't wait six months to study and then execute. Just execute and then keep studying along the way. Steve Larsen: That's incredible. That's incredible. Well hey, what's coming up for you next? What's the next thing that you want to go do? Noah Lenz: A few months actually ago, my teacher has this thing called self-paced math, my math teacher. And I'm like that's cool, whatever. And I really liked it actually. I liked it better than the normal math. But she was using this Google site and all that and so I was like this needs to be a ClickFunnels membership site. So I went in and I spent like a week building it out in ClickFunnels and then, I came in and I showed it to her. And I showed her that and it's funny because she was like ... There was another teacher there and she was saying wow, that's awesome. And then, she somehow, I don't know. I messed up. Got caught off guard. She asked me about my ClickFunnels stuff and whatnot so I must have said something about that, I don't know. But anyways, so then she's like ... What's funny though is there was this science teacher there also in the room and he's like awesome soft skills. And then, we had a science presentation and he didn't want me to use the perfect webinar. Steve Larsen: Are you serious? Noah Lenz: Well, that's how I convinced her to use this math program. Steve Larsen: You're putting your school presentations into perfect webinar format? Noah Lenz: More or less. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. Do you trial close all the way to get an A? Noah Lenz: Exactly what I was going to say. Does that make sense? Steve Larsen: Does that make sense? It does, yeah. Oh man. Noah Lenz: I'm glad you think that. Do you do that in your webinar? Steve Larsen: Noah, that's incredible. So somehow your teachers are finding out about what you're doing behind the scenes. Noah Lenz: Yeah, exactly. But what I'm excited about is that ... he's like I need to do this. And I'm like you know what? You can do this as long as we can partner on selling this to other schools and then I'll just give you a certain percent of the sales. And she's like okay. Sounds good. So what I'm excited about is this summer, she's going to be refilming all the videos and all that, making it even better. And then we're going to do it kind of like Summa Success where we make it entertaining for the kids and throw in funny memes and stuff. But anyways, so we're going to do that this summer and then, I think we're going to do a webinar to sell it. So that's what I'm excited about too just getting that out there and making math more interesting, at least it was for me. Steve Larsen: That's fascinating. So you're literally partnering with teachers and showing them. That's incredible. You know that, Noah. I mean, that's amazing. I've just got to stop and acknowledge that real quick. Noah Lenz: Thank you. Steve Larsen: That's amazing. I mean, I was doing that in college. I had never thought of doing it ... I was that kid that was trying to not get in trouble in high school for selling just random knick knacks. Noah Lenz: Oh yeah, like the pen. Steve Larsen: Yeah. That's right. I forget you know all my stuff as well. Yeah, yeah. That is so cool to me that you're doing that. Just congrats to you for moving forward on those things. What is it that you ... How should I ask this? What is it that you, I guess, as far as this impact. You're developing this talent. You're developing this skill. You're developing the ability to sell face to face, sell ideas. So right now you're going to go off and partner with the teachers and stuff. What about 10 years from now? You know what I mean? It's that question that I always got tired of all the adults asking me. What do you want to be when you grow up? But I'm going to go ahead and ask you. What do you want to be when you grow up? Noah Lenz: Really, at the end of the day, I just want to be doing this same thing that I'm doing right now. I mean, I'm working on writing my first book right now. So I'm hoping that I can have multiple ... I just want to keep marketing, just helping as many people as possible. Maybe having some kind of funnel building agency or other business owners. But really, more than anything just keep marketing, keep doing what I'm more or less doing now, just trying to help as many people as possible. Steve Larsen: Now I just want to ask one final question here because it seems to be something that you've mastered which is just fantastic. When you have something that is... Okay, let's say that you're like oh man, I don't know what a funnel is? Or I don't know what this is? I don't know what that is? When you encounter something that is new that you need to learn, what is your process for learning something quickly so that you can actually use it? Because you seem to be very good at that? Noah Lenz: Really, I don't know. I've just gotten so used to it. I guess I go to youtube.com and I search into the search box how to do it. It's not that simple but more or less, actually it is... Steve Larsen: Yeah, isn't that interesting. Noah Lenz: But I will look it up and sometimes I might get a book on it. I might subscribe to a podcast and listen to a few episodes on it. And then, if it's something that I'm really interested in, I'll immerse myself in it. But if it's just more or less a simple skill, I'll learn it quickly and then implement on it. What's funny is the other day, I had a webinar and I realized that there was no chat box because we weren't doing it for GoToWebinar or anything. We were just doing it through YouTube Live with an iFrame on the ClickFunnel page. Steve Larsen: Sure. Noah Lenz: So I realized that there was no chat box and it was like 20 minutes before the webinar. And what's funny is in school they probably would have spent two hours saying you know, here's how to configure the chat box and make it look all pretty. Make sure the welcome message says welcome to this webinar. Make the title is blah, blah, blah. But really, I just wanted to get it going because the webinar was so soon. So I more or less just googled chat box or something. Or I think I might have logged into a membership site or something wherever there was a chat box resource. And I real quick just signed up for it and did it. So I think more than anything it's just taking action and then, the one thing you should immerse yourself in, if it's anything, is offer creation and then just file building. All the other things that supplement that. Those I like to spend time on but not as much as that. So when I need to learn those more than anything, I just hop on over to YouTube or Google and look up how to do it... Steve Larsen: That's incredible. Noah, thank you so much for taking the time to do this and teach the rest of us and share your journey. I mean, it's really, really fascinating to see everything that you're doing here. And the speed, I think that's something that's really just blown me away. Very, very fascinating. Where can people learn more about you and connect with you? Noah Lenz: So right before this call, I made a real cool link that you guys can actually go to and get this special marketing guide that I normally sell for anywhere from $7-$97. And it just has some checklists and things like that that you need to make sure you have in place before you launch your funnel. Because I remember when I was learning my very first funnel and then I realized that half the things were wrong, out of order, didn't have everything that you needed on the checklist. And I don't want you guys to have to go through that. So I decided that since you guys are listening to this really awesome podcast, I will give you guys this entirely free. All you need to do is go to noahlenz ... That's noahlenz.com/steve. And you will be able to get this marketing guide 100% free. No trip wire, no nothing. 100% free. Just because I want to give value to everybody here on the podcast. Steve Larsen: That's very nice of you, Noah. So it's noahlenz ... L-E-N-Z as in zebra ... .com/steve. Awesome man. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thanks for taking the time. This has meant quite a lot. Noah Lenz: Yeah, thank you for having me on today. Steve Larsen: Hey, thanks for listening. The most common question I get is Steve, will you look at my funnel? Of course. Whether you want me to coach you, give some hand holding and guidance during your funnel build, or simply review the one you have, head over to coachmesteve.com and book your session now.

Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on everyone? This is Steve Larsen, and you're listening to an epic episode of Secret MLM Hacks Radio. So here's the real mystery. How do real MLMers like us, who didn't cheat and only bug family members and friends, who want to grow a profitable home business, how do we recruit A players into our downlines and create extra incomes, yet still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives? That's the blaring question, and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. What's up guys? Hey I'm very excited for this episode today. I have a super cool little thing here for you. I've often told you guys before, in fact, I've told many of you this before. I've created a lot of info products now, in my life. I've seen a lot of offers. One of the things that I teach is offer creation, right? You know, with ClickFunnels, and I am one of the coaches for their new two comma club coaching program. It's a program that I helped launch about a year ago, a little over a year ago, and I was the only coach. I had 675 students, and I was the only coach. My job was to go through all of their offers with them. Help them create a very sexy and attractive offer based on the person they're trying to sell and get them out there making money for a lot of them, for the first time in their life. We had tons of awesome success stories from that. We had people make anywhere from their first thousand bucks to six million. Lots of stuff. I had a chance to ... Anyway, the only reason I'm bringing this up is, it makes me sound like I'm ... that makes me feel like I'm really egotistical. What I'm trying to say is, after going through so many of these people, and after I've had a whole bunch of people come into the Secret MLM Hacks program, after I've had another group of like six or 700 people come in to do it again, I'm coming up on a lot of people that I've done this with. I had the opportunity to do that again this morning for several hours with some students, kind of one on one with them, and go through and help figure out part of what it is they're actually selling. There's some things that I always run into people. This roadblocks that I always see people will run into. And doing that many times, it's hard not to notice the patterns, right? So I thought what I'd do for this episode is kind of show or share with you one of the patterns. It's so extremely simple, okay? It is so extremely simple, but it ends up being like their entire business plan. I don't know if you guys have ever created a business plan before in the sense that school usually has you go through it, like business school, right? We'd write these massive like 15-20 page business plans, and I don't know. There was still like no plan on how to actually ... Anyway, what I want to share with you today is, in my mind, one of the easiest ways to sidestep, having to go through this massive business plan writing. I think business plans, in the sense that they're taught, are usually pure garbage, right? Unless you need massive cash for like some VC funding, which I'm also very against, because in my mind, if you got something of worth, if you got something that's actually solving problems for people, like, you don't always need VC funding. I know that will cause some polarities, I say that, but that's okay. I actually am very against VC funding. Very few scenarios I can ever think of ever where someone should actually get it. Anyway, so, what I want to do is I want to walk through, just real quick, just a very simple process to figure out what your business actually is and what it's doing. So you're thinking about your MLM, right? You're thinking about your downline thing. There's several aspects to it, right? Number one, you are selling people into your opportunity itself. That's great. Absolutely love it. I've got some cool systems to do that for me. We just passed our 200th person applying to join my downline, someone I've never met before, right? That's amazing, okay? That's what I teach inside Secret MLM Hacks, if you guys have never heard of that yet or hadn't a chance to see it, go check it out. It's had a chance to bless a lot of lives. Actually, it's been really fun. Had a lot of cool success stories in there. It's been a lot of fun. The other avenue though, other business avenue that you've got is this area, where you're selling your MLM's actual product, right? I have a system for eventually getting people to both, but at the beginning, I only focus on one or the other. I'm only selling the product, or I'm only selling the opportunity. At the end, they promote each other, but not at the beginning. I lead with one or the other. Okay. Anyway, here's the framework. Here's the framework. This is how I do what I do, and this is the framework that I use for people to go through and get more clear on who it is that they're selling. You see, one of the things that I ran into early on inside this business is, a lot of guys know, I literally ... I wanted to be successful in MLM so bad that I walked down Main Street. I was so ... Guys, my pride was on the line. You might actually be the same, where you have a whole bunch of people who's been telling you, "Oh is this just another one of those things again?" and that hurt my pride. That made me feel like I was an idiot. That made me feel like I had nothing. You most likely have had something like that happened to you. I mean, I don't know anyone who's in business, who's actually successful, who's actually never had a naysayer. You know what I mean? We all have them. We all have them. I was feeling it hard. This was four, five years ago, something like that. I wanted this to be successful so bad that I literally was walking down Main Street pitching people. I would down and be like, "Hey," and my pitch was bad, and I didn't know what I was doing. I was fumbling through it, and I went through, and I was getting people like, "Come on. You should buy this. This is so cool." I didn't know what I was doing. I got some people who said, "Yes," and I had a ton of people who said, "No." I ended up recruiting a lot of people. What are the issues that I ran into, which you most likely have run into as well, is, I was like, "Oh my gosh. This is so cool. I worked my butt off. I was literally walking down Main Street. I recruited some businesses. I did recruit some friends and family. I did recruit some total strangers." It wasn't that many. This is the first time I'd ever done anything in MLM ever at that time. I really, really did not want to fail at this. I felt like I had failed at so many things before, which now, in hindsight, makes me realize that's what actually led to all the success, which has been so cool, but it's hard to see that when you're in the middle of it, right? And you most likely have been there as well. You might be right now. In fact, I was looking at some old pictures. I was looking at some old pictures of when my wife and I got married. We had hardly any money. It was three weeks into our marriage, and it was Christmastime. We had no money. We were so poor. Guys, I literally took a piece of like butcher paper and I thumbtacked it to our wall. It was totally empty in there because we had no money for furniture, and I literally took a Crayola crayon, and I drew a fireplace next to our tree that was like a foot tall. We put it on this little stand, so I was a little bit taller. Then we put like a present or two underneath from each other. These are like ... You know what I mean? This is the cherishing moments you remember at the beginning of marriage. We just had nothing. Anyway, we really had nothing, and I really, really wanted to make this work. I felt like I've been trying tons of stuff and nothing had been happening, nothing had been working. And externally, yes, that's the thing that I really, really wanted. Internally though, it was a pride issue like, "I can do this." You know, I really wanted to prove it. "I can do this. I can totally ... This is something that I can go do. Look at me like a provider. Look at me ... " You know what I mean? I'm sure that we've all had that kind of feeling before. It's something that really affected me, so I feel like I wasn't. Women get their identity primarily by the way they make a home, right? A lot of studies have shown that. Men get their identity in a sense of self-worth by with their occupation, right? And so, for a man to go through and say, "I can't provide," really detrimentally hurts their insides. And so, I was feeling that. So anyways, I'm walking around, and I was so stoked because that first month after walking down Main Street and doing all this stuff, unless you guys have been on the free Secret MLM Hacks training, secretmlmhacks.com, if you guys want to check it out. But if you guys have been on it, you've heard the story. And I was so excited. I got those first 13 people in, in that first month. I think it was like five weeks, but you know, whatever. So I had 13 people, right? I was so pumped. What's funny is nobody did anything, but that's not what my thought was. I was like, "Oh my gosh. It's going to be crazy. This is going to be so cool." If that person gets 13, that person gets 13, that person ... oh my gosh. The biggest problem we're going to have is, like, "What do we do with all this money? I'm going to go blow my nose in 20s now. Oh my gosh. What private island should I buy?" Right? And that was my mentality at the time. That's what I was thinking anyway. I was like shocked. I was appalled that no one did anything. I was like, "Do you not see? Can you not see? Can you not see the opportunity that we have in front of us?" It's like, "What's going on?" Okay. Fast-forward five years, fast-forward to now, where there are people applying I've never met before. In fact, a ton of them, by the hundreds now. I've got cool systems that are out there. It's the exact same thing I teach inside Secret MLM Hacks, exact same thing I teach for my personal downline. It's what I do, and it works incredibly well. What changed? This is what changed, and this is what I walk people through when I'm coaching them, okay? When I say this, do not dismiss it, because even if you've heard what I'm about to say, I guarantee you may not have heard it in a way that I have than I'm about to teach this, okay? Number one, you have got to figure out who your dream customer is, not who you could be selling to. That's one of the biggest problems we all run into as entrepreneurs. We see the solutions we offer. We see the value that we deliver out there, and we start saying phrases like, "Well that person could buy it, and this person could buy it." Let's say you're selling water machines. I had somebody who literally walk up to me once, and they were selling water machines. I was like, "Who do you sell to?" They were like, "Well everybody needs water, so I'm selling everybody." I was like, "That's the definition of nobody." I'm not talking about who could you sell to. I'm saying, "Who is your dream customer, the lay-down sale, the person that's so easy to sell to you barely have to open your mouth?" They're like, "Oh my gosh. Yes, I want that," and they pay premium price to do so. Right? That's who you want to sell to. That's who you want on your team. Okay. Identify the dream person, and you put them down, your dream client. You write them down, and you bring that person to life, and you sit down, and you start thinking, "You know what? I want a person who's already been done something in business before. I want to do something. I want the person in who's not afraid to talk to people, so I have to deal with that issue anymore. You know what? I want ... " Or rather, if you're recruiting, or let's say you're selling product. Let's say ... I don't know. Let's see you're selling ... Keto products are big right now, right? Let's say, "I want to go sell somebody who's already purchased supplements in the past, so I don't have to teach them the first time to take on something like a supplement. I want to get an individual who is ... " Does that make sense? Get that dream client down. Know who they are. That is step number one. Who is the dream customer, not who could you sell to. That's a different category, and usually, it causes a lot of angst, a lot of headaches, and they're freeloaders, and usually, they're terrible to work with. It's just the truth. Okay. I hope we all got all thick skin here, because ... Right? Just the truth. Somebody doesn't want your thing, you should not sell them. Do not sell people who have a need. You sell people who want it. People who have a want, so much better. Oh my gosh, that's a better client, customer. Okay, so, that's the first thing. Number one, who the heck are you selling to? The dream person. Number two, where do they hang out? Where can you reach them? Is there a group of them that all hang out together? Maybe they all hang out in the same Facebook group. Maybe they'll hang out in the same forum. Maybe they all listen to the same podcasts. Where are they? Right? Where are they? Where are they actively? I am not a huge person on Instagram, but I'm actually really getting into it now. Whenever I learn something, I drop little nuggets on there. If you guys want to follow me, totally would love that, and it's been a ton of fun. It's been a ton of fun to go through and build that up. But before, for quite some time, I was not actually on Instagram ever. People go to the same places to consume their information. So where is your dream customer hanging out? Maybe it's an existing business owner. Well where do all the successful existing business owners get their information from? Maybe they all subscribe to the same magazines. Maybe they all listen the same kinds of content. Maybe they all go to the same YouTube channels. Does that make sense? Where are they? Answer that question. Who is the dream customer? Not, who could you sell to? Who's the dream client? The one, just the one. It's funny. When you actually end up searching after the one, you actually get a few of the fringes. If you don't have it though, you don't get any you don't get fringes or the dream customer. Actually, you get headaches and projects. I got enough products in my life. I don't need a person as a project. Someone who's not figured out other things inside their life yet. Does that make sense? Does that make sense? So number one, who's your dream customer? Number two, where are they? Where do they consume their information? And number three, what could you say to them, or what could you give to them? Maybe it's a sample for the product. Maybe you have your own little ebook that you wrote that would serve them in their business. What's the bait? That's the question you're trying to ask. What bait do you have that will get them to come over to you? Notice what I said. What will get them to come over to you? Not, you go to them. What's so powerful about this is that when you reach out and you start dropping pieces, little pieces of bait that turns somebody towards you, what you're doing is, it means you don't have to go through heavy and hardcore sales tactics or techniques anymore, because they know. They're like, "Oh my gosh. Steve Larsen's dropping so much crap of amazing stuff on his podcast. That's amazing." That's exactly what I'm doing, everybody, right? I'm just peeling back curtains so you know. This podcast is a piece of bait, and it has brought incredible people to me, incredible people from my downline, amazing people inside my products, right? Both my personal ones and my MLM ones. Does that make sense? I hope this is making sense. What bait, what can I actually solve for them? What can I say to them? Whether it's a product or something that you're saying, or maybe your sample really is so good that when you hand it to somebody, it sells them. That rarely happens I found out though. Products don't make sales. A sales message makes sales. Anyway, different topic totally. Okay. So that's number three. Who is the dream customer? Number two, where are they? Number three, what bait can I use to get them to come to me? Right? So I can persuade them to come to me rather than me go convince them. That's the benefit of using that. What bait ... That might mean that you create something. I will tell you it's one of the highest leverage things you need to go create though, okay? Don't get scared by the fact that you might have to make something, because I answer that question. Then, number four, where are you trying to take them? Just one place, not two. This is usually why I only sell, first of all, a product and then eventually talk about the opportunity, or I'll sell the opportunity only and then eventually talk about the product. I never do both at the same time. Maybe that's just personal taste, but usually, the human brain can only handle one thing at once. And so, anyway, does that make sense though? Just that four-step process that will clean up a ton of stuff that you're doing in your business. It will help you identify who the best person is for your business. That's why I have so many amazing people. Because I've done this process so many times, I know exactly who I want in my downline. I know exactly where they are. I know exactly what bait gets them to come to me. I know where I'm taking them, right? I know where I'm taking them. I'm taking them to this beautiful place of automation and sweet funnel automation and marketing, using the internet. Then I hand off the same systems to them. That's crazy. It's like the first actual duplicatable thing I've ever found in my life. Does that make sense? Anyway, hopefully, that helps. That's my four steps to identifying. Frankly, it's the four steps to getting my dream customer, to getting a downline that I actually like. Does that make sense? Because I know that we've all created downlines. Most of us have probably got someone on downlines, and we're like, "I don't know if I like my customer," right? Just to be real with you, right? "I don't know if I like my customer today. I don't know if I like the people in my downline right now. I don't know if I like that I have to babysit everybody and put a cattle prod to their back to get him to do anything." So I said, "I'm not going to do that anymore," so I don't. I did that by upgrading and getting more specific on the dream person. Now, I get a few of others and that's fine, but now, there's another support system. The people that are inside my downline are rockstars. I'm not the only rockstar in there. Everyone's a rockstar. So when we get someone who might be struggling a little bit, there is a ton of support. Now, I'm not alone. This thing's actually duplicatable. Does that make sense? That's why I crafted this. That's why I did the whole ... That's why I left job to come do this, because I started seeing this putting all together, and I was doing it for these other people, and I was like, "Wait a second. I know I could do that." You can too. Anyway, hey guys, thanks so much. Hopefully, that was effective for you. And please write those down. Number one, who's my dream customer? Number two, write, where are they? Number three, what's the bait I can use to actually get them to come to me, so I don't go to them? And then, number four, write, where the heck am I going to take them? Do I want to lead them first to product? Am I going to lead them first to opportunity? Maybe it's my own third party info product that I create. And, you start putting those things together to figure out how to actually answer that question. That one little simple four question formula right there will drastically increase the quality of both your customer and your downline and will start solving problems for you. Problems that you didn't know were problems because of the quality of the individual and the state of the individual who's actually coming to you now. It has changed everything in my business, and I absolutely love it. I actually like MLM again. Does that make sense? For a long time ... I know I said too much, "Does that make sense? Does that make sense?" I should not say it so much. But for a long time, I didn't. I was like, "Blah. MLM. Serious? I really got to do this again?" Network marketing, direct selling, whatever you want to call it. I like MLM again, and it's because of the way that I treat this process. Guys, thanks so much. Appreciate it. If you hadn't a chance to check out secretmlmhacks.com, please go do so. Would love to have you on that free web class there. It'll teach you the three-step system I use to automate my recruiting. It's the three steps I used to auto I ought it's the three steps I used to auto recruit my downline, without my friends and family even knowing that I'm in MLM. Guys, thank you so much, and I'll talk to you later. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening. Please remember to rate and subscribe. Whether you just want more leads or automated MLM funnels, or if you just want to learn to get paid more for your product, head over to secretmlmhacks.com to join the next free training today.

Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on everyone? This is Steve Larsen. I have a very special episode for you guys today. I have a guest that I'm bringing on the show. His name is John Ferguson. John Ferguson is an expert in face to face selling of MLMs. He's been hired and worked for the Rich Dad company. He has been ... He's one of the guys that MLMs hire and bring in to help improve their entire sales process. He creates scripts to help sell products, he helps scripts ... He create scripts that lets you sell your MLM product in a way to people you've never met before that is not pushy. So I'm very excited for him to be a here. It is a treat to have him and please take notes on this. This is not your normal kind of a thing, and I had to beg him to get on the episode here. So I'm excited. Let's go ahead and jump into the episode today. So here's the real mystery. How do real MLMers like us [inaudible 00:00:48] and only bug family members and friends, who wanna grow a profitable home business, how do we recruit A players into our down lines and create extra incomes, yet still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives? That's the blaring question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. You guys actually have a really special treat. I'm excited. I have a guess on the show with me today and his name is John Ferguson and literally every time I speak with him, I feel like I learn and I grow, and there's different things that I learn about the MLM industry. I learn about what he's doing and frankly, it's amazing, the resume that John has and I wanna bring him on the show here and give you guys a chance to be elevated for ... with what he's being doing. So without further ado, John how's it going? John Ferguson: Doing fantastic Steve and I'm super stoked to be here. I'm glad you invited me on. I am ready to deliver and I appreciate that introduction dude. I feel like a hero already. Steve Larsen: You are. I feel like ... I don't know. Every time I speak with you, you're like, "Oh, yeah. I helped ..." I don't know if I can say this, "Yeah, I helped Robert Kiyosaki. I helped this huge person over here. I set this MLM up over there." Like what? Like you've been doing a ton of stuff. John Ferguson: Yeah. I've kind of tried ... I've played the backend role for a number of years, where like you mentioned the Rich Dad organization, I really played that backend role. If you think about like Batman, he's got not Robin, which was the sidekick, but Alfred. Right? Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: The guy that's making sure all the gadgets work, make sure that Batman's not getting himself into trouble and it's really a role that in the past, has really helped a lot of people like people you just mentioned. So I ... It's a lot of fun for me to see others succeed with the systems and tools and the coaching and mentoring that you offer them. So yeah, it's been an awesome career so far. Steve Larsen: Now I wanna be able to go through kinda how you got into this and did it and all, but could you just ... For everyone else on here, if they don't know the amazing John Ferguson, could you just give us a run down of what it is that you actually do when you say Rich Dad organization and the other ones you've worked with? John Ferguson: Yeah, certainly. So what I do is I help closers sell more. Okay. I help individuals who've never sold in their lives sell their first sale. When it comes down to network marketing and multi-level marketing, I find there's a lot more nurturers than really the A type personalities, and for me what we do, is we take individuals by the hand, we guide and we direct them through selling without selling. And I know that sounds kinda weird, 'cause you're like, "What's selling without selling? Like you've gotta sell." Right? Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: What it is, is I remove the ... we remove the animosity by helping people learn an evaluation process like stepping people, rather than just going in like a hardcore close. Steve Larsen: Sure. John Ferguson: [inaudible 00:03:52]. So that's really what we do. We ... In the past like with the Rich Dad organization, I came in and contracted as a trainer and I worked a number of years, where we took their telemarketing, their speakers, their trainers, their coaches and really developed them in some better methods of asking better questions to help get to the root of the desire and the needs of people and then we can deliver that, through the products and services that we offer. And the cool thing about MLM is that there are so many people that need so many things and I buy so much stuff from network marketing companies. I think I'm like ... on like an auto ship for like seven different ones. It's not that I sell their stuff. It's that there are so many wonderful products out there, I wanna help other people get them to the marketplace and get them in the hands of consumers and eliminate that fear of enrolling people and making a sale. Steve Larsen: That's incredible. I mean so you've done it ... I mean you have quite the rap sheet and thanks for explaining that. I knew you'd do a better job than I would doing that, after talking with you extensively this past little while ... past few months, but are you ... I guess ... there's two different directions I want to go with this. My brain is just all over the place. I'm excited to have you on here. Is ... Do you use a lot of like spin selling methods, like the book Spin Selling? Is it that kind of thing a little bit? John Ferguson: You know, it's more direct and- Steve Larsen: Okay. John Ferguson: I'm not the proponent network marketing that is gonna always jump after mom, dad, sisters, cousin, next door neighbor's dog and try to invite them into my network marketing business. I've never done that in sales either. What I like to do is, I like to put out the proper marketing, which I know that your people are learning some phenomenal tools Steve and you're teaching them how to attract the right people ... actually people who really want what you have and then enroll them and get them buying from you. And so my ... And is coming on the backend of that is, is how do I determine ... Like how do I determine the wants, the desires, the needs from somebody? And so I take them through a series of questions, like broad based questions, pointed questions and direct questions and I always get the question, "Hey, John isn't a pointed question a direct question?", and not really. A pointed question just kind of gets more to the point and a direct question is literally right on the money. It's right when you're going for like the heart of the matter. And so if we can learn to ask a little bit better questions, what I can do is I can find out exactly what their needs are, where their pain is, and I'm not usually paying to like make that person really feel it 'cause who wants someone to like squeeze their wound, right? Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: "Hey, you've got a cut there. Let me get some salt water and just start spraying it on there." No. Okay. But we need to know where the pain is so that we can move them away from it or motivate them towards pleasure and that pleasure point is what I'm after mainly, because we live in a day and age right now that everyone can see through the BS. Like their belief systems, not the other BS. Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: Okay. But where there's so much on the internet, there's so much on YouTube, there's so much all over the place that we just want the information we need now, but we also wanna know that the individual that is working with us is gonna help us for us right, and really cares. And so, our method allows our closers to step into a role ... You know I wouldn't wanna say expert advisor because I don't think coaching closes. It's not something that I believe. I've had a lot of people go from the coaching industry into selling and when they coach, they can't close because they get so much information. Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: The person is like, "Oh, this is great. I'm gonna go out there and do it." So- Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: When it comes to our method, it's really just getting to the root ... It's human communication, man. It's just understanding what your goals and focus and expectations and you as the closer, knowing your product well enough, knowing your services well enough, that you're able to match what is needed and what is and what is desired with that individual in a way that they beg to buy from you. I mean it's backwards. Like if you wanna call it something, I wouldn't call it spin selling. Let's say backwards closing or something like that. Steve Larsen: Right. That's interesting. Do you mind giving a few examples of like the kind of questions you would ask? I guess you and I meet on the street and I show a little bit of interest in what you're doing. What would you ask me? John Ferguson: So here's the thing, I would first off ... If we're gonna meet on the street, like we're at Barnes and Noble or we're in some book store or some function, and I believe you have some type of an interest in my business. Right? So for instance, one of the easier ones out there right now is like health and fitness or real estate, it's a pretty hot topic. So what I wanna do is, I wanna just kinda ask you a broad question. Right? Steve Larsen: Okay. John Ferguson: So for what I would do is this, I really just kinda get in it, "So what do you currently do for a living?" Right? And someone's gonna say, "Well I'm a tractor driver." And I go, "Wow. How long have you been doing that for?" And they're gonna say, "Well, I've been doing that for 16 years." And I go, "Oh, man. You must love it." Steve Larsen: Okay. John Ferguson: And that answer right there is an answer and a question all at the same. Once, I'm slapping them upside the head- Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: Going, "Wow, I love it." Steve Larsen: Interesting. John Ferguson: And then they're gonna say, "Not really." or they go, "You know what? It's not bad going through other people's junk. I just don't see retirement in it." Right? So you're gonna find out an answer ... What I'm doing there, is I'm trying to poke them a little bit without being rude and I don't wanna create a situation where I'm hurting anybody. But I wanna find out, "Okay. Where are you at? Like are you ready to move out of this thing or you're in dysfunction for what?" And if they say, "Look yeah, I hate it. I wanna get out. I've been stuck in it for a number of years." And then I'd say, "Well, fantastic." Right? "So what would you be doing?" or "What ... If you had a better opportunity, what would your life look like?" So what I'm trying to do is I'm giving some broad questions to find out where this individual may fit and I'm building rapport, but I'm gonna stay on an agenda. My agenda is to get them to a more pointed question on how I can get this person into my business now. So I'm ask, "So would you keep your ..." The classic, "Do you keep your options open for making more money?" I don't like that question. Steve Larsen: Yeah, I don't either. John Ferguson: I don't usually use that question because it's too weird. Like for me, it just makes me feel weird. Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: So ... You know shower time. No. So what I gotta do now is I just say, "Hey look ..." I tell him what I'm doing. I say, "Look, I've been a real estate investor for 17 years. I'm looking for some individuals that might qualify to work with me in that arena. Have you ever thought about real estate investing as an option to make more money?" So I'm gonna get a little more direct, a little more pointed on my questioning and I'm gonna ask him right, and if they're in a real estate function or if they're in a network marketing function or I'm going ... So I'm never just going blind a lot of the times into ... just question people off the street. I believe that if you ... there's enough people out there that we can target the proper marketing to attract people on the front end, that by process allows me to help them through all the way to the backend in becoming a buyer. Steve Larsen: Interesting. John Ferguson: So pointed questions. If I was giving all pointed questions, I'd just ask him for instance, if that person said, "Yeah. I'm looking for something better." I say like, "How would you like to better your experience in life?" Right? And they're gonna [inaudible 00:11:16] what they wanna accomplish. Now I'm not gonna get into becoming their buddy. Okay. Those questions aren't gonna be for me to go okay, they say, "Well better life ..." They say, "Well, I'd love to travel more." And if I get into a discourse of, "Oh, I've been here. I've been there. Oh, my life because of what I've been doing in my business has allowed me to do this." I get into my like 30 minute pitch on how great my life is because of my business, I've just lost those guys. Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: They don't care. Like they really don't care. What they care about is, is that you care that they care about what they want. I know that sounds a little weird, but that's what it is and if I'm able to say, "Oh, that's fantastic. I love travel too. I've had the blessing of being able to travel with what I do." And then follow it up ... That statement always opens up another question, "Where would you travel if you had the time and money? Like if money wasn't an option, time wasn't an option. If you weren't dumping trash, where would you go?" Right? And be genuine, like literally we've gotta be more interested. It's about questioning rather than dictating and I think that's where a lot of MLM upline don't understand. They came in the same way and they're like, "Hey, give me your story, give me your two minute blast." Just chase until the buyer dies, literally you're gonna kill them. Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: Right? Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: And so I think ... Today's day and age, if you're able to ask proper questions, you're able to minimize that shortfall and you're gonna be able to lead this person down and you're gonna be able to help that person. And in the meantime, you will build rapport faster if you stay on target with these types of questions, rather than trying to dictate, "Hey, your life is so much better." Find out about them, ask them the questions. It's gonna build so much intrigue in this person that you're asking these questions, you're giving these little mini statements, what I call little micro commitments or a mini statement of where your life is, or what you're loving about your current company and your current situation is you're growing than it will ever do ... You're just dumping a whole bunch of information on [inaudible 00:13:15]. I know a lot of people talk about that, but [crosstalk 00:13:17]- Steve Larsen: You're saying [crosstalk 00:13:18]. So you're saying that it actually works to pay off and actually like care about people? John Ferguson: Right, right. Steve Larsen: Just real quick. I wanna just run through this real fast. So you're saying ... First of all, I love that you defined the difference kind of between a pointed question versus a leading question. You're not asking leading questions, your asking pointing questions. Right? Where it- John Ferguson: Correct. Steve Larsen: Where you're going out and you're saying ... you're saying, "Hey ..." I'm writing notes like crazy, just so you know. You start by saying, "Hey, what do you do?" And big broad question, trying to figure out where they fit like, "Whoa. You must love it." And like that is huge. Before you go on that, you're talking about yourself. You're like, "You must love it." And you say ... From there, there's gonna be a split, "Yes, I do." or, "No, I don't." And then from there, you kinda know where to take the conversation. Right? They're the ones basically ... You're just kind of guiding it. John Ferguson: Correct. Steve Larsen: The whole way. That's amazing. Okay. John Ferguson: [crosstalk 00:14:12]. Yep. You're guiding the process and what you're doing is, you're leading them down this path to essentially want to buy from you. They want to enroll with you. Well they wanna continue to engage. Steve Larsen: So where do you- John Ferguson: The whole [crosstalk 00:14:24] psychology, right? Steve Larsen: Sure. John Ferguson: I mean everyone wants to be heard. Right? And so if someone's gonna listen, they're gonna keep telling you, but you have to guide that not down a road, "Hey, let's become best friends. We're gonna talk about what we ate last night and oh, I love pasta too." "No, I like fried ferret." Whatever it is, don't go there. Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: Like try to keep a pointed ... And so, it's less about us now and it's more about what their needs and desires are and if they feel that they're getting their needs met and their desires met by talking to you, that's gonna draw them in to wanting to move forward, even if it's a simple invitation. "Hey, you know what? Sounds like you'd do really well with what we're doing. I'm pretty sure that you'll love it. Let me give you my business card. Let me get your information and I'll send you an email on XYZ. I want you to watch this five minute video. I want you to watch this 10 minute video and real quick it's gonna ask you a few more questions, it's to introduce you to my business and some of my partners. I think you're really gonna love it just based on our conversation." It kind of opens that door for you to do that initial interview, that initial quick introduction to your business, even if you're out live at an event. You're able to hand your card off, you're able to show them your website and it's less abrasive and they're gonna have more intrigue to go, "Wow. That was a really cool conversation. I don't usually have those conversations, so I'm gonna watch this website 'cause what those guys have might be something I've actually been looking for for a long time." Steve Larsen: So from there- John Ferguson: Whether they're looking or not, they're gonna wanna go look. Steve Larsen: Okay. No, awesome. So from there, they're going ... I'm just ... I'm trying to outline it. So you go in broad, then you go in pointed questions and then you kinda go through ... you called it kinda the needs, desire sections. Right? Where ... And how long do you usually stay in that? I'm sure it's per conversation, but I mean how do you know when you're able to go out and finally drop the line of, "Hey. Let me get you my business card. Let me email you. Let me send you this five minute video." When do you know you've gotten to that spot that you can actually say that kinda stuff? John Ferguson: So typically what happens is, is once I've asked enough of these questions, even before I get very direct, I might ask a direct question of an individual. I might say something like, "At the end of the day, you've influenced your family and you've won more freedom by working with us. Why did you do it?" And then they're gonna tell me and/or ... What's gonna happen even is, is we've been asking them questions so long that they're gonna get like I said, intrigued about us. They're gonna ask us what. They're gonna say, "So I mean it sounds like you've got something awesome going on. What is it you do?" Steve Larsen: Yeah. What are you doing? John Ferguson: Like who are you? Right? Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: That's gonna open the door for you now to share that invitation. Right? You've understood their needs. Now this would ... We're talking face to face right now. Now if I was gonna be over the phone right, some of my advertising was through ... Like don't tell anybody, but I've done some of this ninja stuff on Craigslist. I've just posted a little ad that says, "Hey look, are you interested in XYZ? If you are, call me or if you are, respond." And this stuff works there too and obviously building funnels and posting those paid advertising through like Facebook and Instagram. All that works really, really well, but when it comes down to it, let's say you've got people in Nebraska and you live in California. What are you gonna do? Like how are you gonna meet that person face to face? They've just introduced themselves to you. They're gonna go through your phone, they're gonna [inaudible 00:17:40] your thing, but I like high ticket sales, and so I wanna help this person get the maximum of what's gonna help them. And so the lowest product price point that we typically sell is about $2,000.00 and we do a little bit over the phone, and so if I'm ... I can run this line of questioning over the phone, I'll have a notepad right next to me writing the answers down as I go. So I can go okay, wow that's a need. Okay, wow that's a desire. Right? And so now as I'm asking questions, I can define out what my next questions are. When you get ... We're really good at these types of questionings. These types of questions, it will just come natural to you and it's just following a progressive line, broad based, pointed, direct, broad based, pointed, direct. And sometimes you'll ask a direct question and they won't wanna answer it. They may feel a little standoffish if you haven't done a good job of building that initial rapport, bringing them down the ladder. Right? No one wants to go from the 15th step on the ladder and jump down to step number one, like it hurts. Okay. It's kinda like dropping 150 feet with your buddy, filming it on Facebook and screaming until you fall, like I saw that video of you. That's nuts, right? Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: But no one wants to feel that way without the bungee cord. Okay. Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: So we have to take them down that ladder and sometimes you may have to come back up and ask a little more pointed questions to get to where you want, and then come back down to the direct question to the root of the issue of what their true desire is. So now, they're literally asking you Steven, this may sound a little bit more complicated than it really is. It's literally one or two broad based questions, one or two pointed questions and one very direct question. You'll have five questions and you have literally opened the door and they're literally asking, "So what is it you do? How long have you been doing it? Is there any information that I can have that I can talk to you about?" And if I'm doing this over the telephone, it's about an eight minute conversation. Right? I like to keep it about five to twelve minutes. Anyone out there who I typically find ... especially individuals putting this in their practice, as when we're teaching telemarketing teams or when I'm teaching a network marketing business ... Like I was just in New Jersey teaching 200 network marketers in the room in like a six hour session how to do this and the challenge was is asking less, but doing it in the right way- Steve Larsen: Interesting. John Ferguson: Because I think we have this desire to talk and what I found was a lot of people spent more time talking and trying to talk someone into liking your thing because you like it. No one cares why you like it, they just don't. What they care is why they might like it or why ... what will help them. Spend less time dictating and more time recording right, taking down the right information and ultimately they're gonna ask. They're literally [inaudible 00:20:36], "What's my next step? How do I move forward with you?" I've never had ... I've had people say that they've never had conversations like this ever in the network marketing world. Right? I'm sure a lot of your listeners right now are going yeah, I mean that ... People would just beat me up and just ask me, "Hey, come to my thing. Come to my thing. Oh, you're gonna love it. You're gonna get this. You're gonna get that out of it.", and it was just noise. Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: Well just turn off the noise, ask them more questions and let them speak for a minute and guide them down this path to where they're literally begging to buy from you. Steve Larsen: What's the golden that someone can ask you? Obviously besides, "Hey, where do I put my credit card?" But like what's the question that when you know that you have them, you know what I mean? When you know that this person's progressing and maybe that's probably the wrong way to say that, but when you know that they're following the process to the T and they're eating out of your hand, you know what I mean? When do you know? John Ferguson: It's a number of things. It's a number of questions. Steve Larsen: Sure. John Ferguson: Typically, in our industry because it's sales, some of your listeners may have heard the title buyer's questions. Steve Larsen: Sure. John Ferguson: Really it's ... I like to call them intrigue questions, but really what it is, is they're asking you, "Okay. What's the next step?" That's it, like because it doesn't feel abrasive like a sales pitch or a sales opportunity, it's more of like an invitation. They're typically asking, "So how do I move forward with you? Like what's my next step with you? Do you have a meeting that I can attend? Do you have something that I can acquire now?" Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: And so they're literally asking you at that point for the sale. Does that make sense? Steve Larsen: Yeah, yeah. They're asking buyer questions, yes. That's how I think ... Absolutely. Okay. Intrigue questions. John Ferguson: Yeah. Steve Larsen: And so what would be your follow up at that point? Obviously you said, "Hey, go to the five minute video." or "I'm gonna email you." What's the preferred thing that you do with them after that? John Ferguson: So depending on what I'm doing or depending on the organization that I'm working with, some of them have like an initial introductory video or an initial introductory meeting where they're gonna have to come sit down with you and meet with some of the other team members that you have, or they're gonna come out or they're just gonna stay at home. They're gonna watch a webinar and they're gonna go through this introduction to the company. So typically, I'm delivering them to some type of information that continues to build intrigue, but also delivers some information and it's what we call kind of a either a business orientation, a business briefing and that is literally our first few steps in this entire process. Okay, because at this point now, it's a presentation. Now we're gonna be delivering some of the information to continue that intrigue, but to deliver on what we promised, and then at that point, we're gonna take them to our closing process and it's literally a three step process. It's introduction, invite, presentation and then close. I mean that's as simple as it gets. Steve Larsen: Wow. Wow. Now this is something that sounds like you're doing this like face to face and over the phone but not just for- John Ferguson: Right. Steve Larsen: Not just for ... It's fascinating because most ... especially phone scripts, right? Most phone scripts that I've ever used especially in the internet marketing space, kind of the other market that I'm in, right. I ... Typically, these kinds of phone conversations is something that we would do for more warm audiences and people who knew who we were and knew what were doing, and we were just there to kinda close them and guide them in the sale. But you're able to do this kinda thing to ... I don't wanna say cold, but people who you've honestly may have never met before. John Ferguson: Yep. That's exactly what I do. Steve Larsen: That's amazing. John Ferguson: I don't like the whole ... I got my mom and dad and my cousins and sisters in my first couple of network marketing business. Steve Larsen: Sure. Who didn't? John Ferguson: And it [inaudible 00:24:21]. So I think all of the listeners have done that. Steve Larsen: Yeah, yeah. Sure. John Ferguson: They've tried that. So there's only so many family members you got right, that can buy from you and join your thing. So you have to go out there and build new relationships and the only way to do that is to either go out there and literally cold market, which can be a little more [inaudible 00:24:42], warm them up first. Right? Why not send them to an initial video? Why not get them to opt in to an advertising piece? Why not have them call you first? Get them knocking your door down first and then take them through these little bit of questions, take them through an introductory video or a webinar and then invite them to participate with you. Steve Larsen: That's fascinating. This ... I mean is an incredible expertise. I appreciate you just kind of outlining that. I'm sure top level ... For those of you guys who don't know, I've been talking to you guys a lot about the program, Secret MLM Hacks that I've created and my team's in and we're selling also to any of those ... of you guys who want, we ... John is so good at this, that I pretty much begged him to come and teach a huge segment of this insider course as well. So those of you guys who are like, "Oh, man this stuff's so cool. How do I get more of that?" Well you a lot more of John Ferguson inside of Secret MLM Hacks as well and this expertise is incredible, John. How did you develop this? I mean this is not like a normal ... You know what I mean? I don't know many people who are doing what you're doing like this. In fact, you're probably one of the first ever in this kind of way. How did you get there? John Ferguson: It was out of bare necessity. So let me give you some back story. My ... Just real quick some of my back story. Steve Larsen: Sure. Yeah, please. John Ferguson: I grew up in a home in Southern California. My father was laid off seven times before I was 17. Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: For most of my life growing up, I lived with my grandparents and my mom, my dad, my two brothers and I, my grandma, my grandpa and my great-grandmother lived in like a 1,500 square foot home in Whittier, California. It had three bedrooms, one and a half bath, and there's a need for four bedrooms there and so I learned a lot. One, I learned family, the importance of family and how hard it takes to work to keep a family together, especially when you're struggling financially, and I also saw that working a job wasn't for me, like I saw the struggle. My father worked three jobs at one time. They would go around cleaning churches when I grow up, and I was a little squirt running around at five, six, seven years old, taking the chalk erasers, smacking the board with them as my dad was finishing up wiping them down in the church and he'd have to go clean them up again. Let me ... Later down the line, I realized why he was a little upset with me but couldn't really freak out 'cause we're in a church. But I saw that level and so I decided to go to college and like most people, they're like okay, go to school, get good grades, go to college, get a good career. So I took that path and I played basketball in college and I went up and dunked on somebody in a preseason game and I ruptured two discs in my back- Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: Blew out my knee and my ankle- Steve Larsen: Oh, my gosh. John Ferguson: And there was no way I was gonna be able to get in NBA and I'm sure some of your listeners were going, "NBA, yeah." I mean I was not gonna be able to play in the National Basketball Association because I had blown out my body. To this day I can't feel my left leg, like part of my left leg is like numb. My foot is a little bit numb because of that injury. Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: And so going to college, I mean why go to ... I thought at the time and no disrespect to anyone that has a diploma. That's awesome. You guys did it, you won it. Fantastic. There are careers that definitely need the execution, but for me at the time, I was like well if I'm not gonna get in the NBA. Right? That's the whole reason you're going to college, is to get in NBA ... Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: I quit. I was like I'm out and so I got into the career world. I started working at a company called Hollywood Video. You know that dinosaur video place you used to go rent videos from? Steve Larsen: Yeah, yeah. John Ferguson: I wore the red cummerbund, I had the red bow tie. I was waving at people and within a short period time, it was about four and half, five years, I had risen from the ranks from just customer service representative up to a district manager, and I had 14 stores. I was running multimillion dollars for this company and I remember coming home from one vacation, we got five weeks paid vacation. I came home from one vacation and my beeper, like for those of you guys who don't know what that is, it's kinda like a little box that buzzes and beeps on your hip. Okay? So half the size of cell phones today and like three times its width, but I was coming down the mountain, I was up fishing and camping with my family and it goes off, like beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. And I'm looking down at it and I'm going what is going on with this thing? It was like 911*. 91111*. 91111 and I'm going what is ... Like something ... Someone had to have died in one of my stores. I'm freaking out. I call my manager, the VP over there area and he's like, "Where are you? You need to come in right now." And I'm like, "I just got off of vacation." And if you don't know the type of organization I was working with, it was like to go on vacation, you had to like ... I filled out the form and then the form had to be filled out by my boss and then the boss had to send up to his boss and then corporate had to sign it. They had to send it back to you and you got like five pages of documentation showing you're gone. Right? Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: So I get back ... Literally I got written up for being gone because one of my store managers got sick, the assistant manager couldn't come in to cover their shift in one of my stores. It's like an hour away from even where I live and my manager had to go in and cover the store for like 20 minutes. What I found was- Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: It's that I was climbing the wrong ladder on the wrong building and ... I mean at the time, I was the number one in revenue, I was the number one district manager in the company for holiday contests and sales. My teams were like at the top of my level and I had a lot of loyalty and at that one moment, I lost my 2.5% raise. Now think about that. Steve Larsen: Two and a half percent. John Ferguson: [crosstalk 00:30:28] I was freaking out about not earning another 1,600 bucks, 1,700 bucks a year. Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: Because I was only making about 80 grand a year and 2.5%, 2% of that is 16, 1,700 bucks. Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: And like to someone like that ... Like I look back on that like how did I survive? Right? Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: But that's how it is. Like that was a good salary then and for me, I had to find another way. And so getting into this situation, I got into my very first real estate property, started becoming ... I became a real estate investor and I ... For two years, I spent a ton of money, like over 200 grand in trends and boot camps and seminars and coaches and I'd finally be able to ... I was able to quit my job and I got involved in a network marketing organization and I've never been involved with one before in my life and they said, "Okay. Go get everybody." So I go ... I get everybody I can get like ... I got like 30 people in this one meeting. I had 25, 30 people. The guy in the front of the room is rocking. Like he's up there, he's like telling a story and I'm watching all my guests and I'm in the very back ... The room is filled with like maybe 200 people and I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. I'm gonna make like a hundred grand tonight." Like it's- Steve Larsen: Look at all this. Yeah, yeah. John Ferguson: [inaudible 00:31:48]. Right? Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: And I'm like, "[inaudible 00:31:50]. This is so great" and I'm looking around at everybody around me. I go up to my mentor, I tap him on the shoulder. I'm like, "Dude, check it out. I'm gonna get certified in one meeting. I'm gonna me a hundred grand, you're gonna make like 50 grand. This is sweet!" Like I'm so excited and I'm telling everybody and all the people that I looked up to in my [inaudible 00:32:10] network marketing business and have been involved with me a couple months and I'm like, "I've been working my guts out trying to get people in this room and this is gonna be so awesome. Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: And at the very end of the night, most network marketing companies do this is, is, "Okay. Are you a one? Are you a two or a three? Are you an A, a B or a C?" Right? And all my people are like two or a like one, meaning that they're in! They wanna join and they got some questions, but they wanna join! I'm like oh, my gosh. How am I gonna handle all this business all at once? And so I grab like two laptops and I go run into the front of the room, I grab all my guests, "So you guys follow me." Right? Like the pied piper, you guys are all just getting. "Let's go!" And so I get to the back of the room and my brain is exploding, my heart's pumping out of my chest. I'm sweating profusely because I'm like, "Oh, my gosh. This is gonna be so cool." How do I not ... Like how do I hide my excitement? Right? [crosstalk 00:33:02]- Steve Larsen: Yeah, to keep it cool. John Ferguson: [inaudible 00:33:03]. It's like this rush, right? It's like drinking five Red Bulls at once. Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: And so [inaudible 00:33:09], I'm going, "Okay everybody. For those of you who are the number ones, raise your hands again. Okay. Fantastic. I've got two laptops over here. I've got them open and ready to go. Just get your credit cards out. I [inaudible 00:33:20] to sign up [inaudible 00:33:21] here. [inaudible 00:33:23] got questions [inaudible 00:33:24]. Let's go!" Yeah. That's about how it was man. Silence. Nobody moved, like not one bit. Steve Larsen: Wow. John Ferguson: And you know I had the, "Oh, man. That's great stuff, John. I'm just not ready to move forward." "Oh, I didn't bring my checkbook." I got all the excuses and like when you go from such a high, like you're gonna win, right? Then you literally drop and then you melt and you're like about to be in tears, your face turns red and you're like, "Oh, my gosh. How did misjudge all this?" Steve Larsen: Right. Right. John Ferguson: That was the moment I knew that I screwed up and I needed to do it better and I had learned right then and there, that I didn't know enough about the people that I had invited to this meeting. That I was told what I considered a lie, was that just invite people, throw a diaper against the wall, some of them will stick, others are gonna slide down, and I realized it doesn't matter what you're throwing against the wall. It's just gonna leave a mess and so I knew right then and there, I needed a better system. I needed a better way to engage the right people and not just people. I knew that I never wanted to chase other people. I never wanted to feel that way again, where I had this pit in my stomach, not because of the success that I was gonna have, but because what did I just do and how did I look, and I just told everybody this was gonna be fantastic and I was exhausted- Steve Larsen: Yeah. John Ferguson: Because I worked so hard, not one person purchased man, not one and that was the day. And I went in I started ... we're finding the systems and we're finding how I ask people questions and I read every sales book I possibly could and I wasn't finding the information in there. And it was difficult and I started with Rich Dad organization, I started working with some of these telemarketing teams and learning what they did on the phone and how they sold coaching and mentoring and packages and I literally just went into the trenches for a couple of years. And I took what I learned from speaking and training and teaching in the network marketing industry in front of these big rooms and what was going on behind the scenes with a lot of these organizations selling trainings and services and products on how they were enrolling people at these higher levels. And it just ... It just ... They had a baby dude. They had a baby. I'm gonna take this and I'm gonna take that, it was like a mad scientist, Frankenstein, let's just put it all together and over the years, it came out fantastic and to like ride it off of the wings. And I don't really like to like talk about myself a lot, but in this instance I need to and I don't like the phrase ... I hate this phrase and maybe you do too, I don't say this to impress you, but to impress upon you. I hate that phrase, like just tell us the truth, you're trying to impress us. Right? And so I hate that phrase- Steve Larsen: Brag about yourself John. Let us know, let us hear it. John Ferguson: Yeah, man. So it's time to impress you. So I'm telling this so you are impressed by some dude who grew up in Southern California in a box with his entire family, looking like Charlie from the Chocolate Factory, who was able to make it out of that world just by sheer bull dogged determination. I wasn't smart, I just gathered all the stuff, mixed it up in the blender and poof. I joined a network marketing company a few years back and I said, "Look, I have test this method and I'm only gonna be using my method. I'm not gonna be using anything else. I'm gonna con ... I'm gonna throw out some bait. I'm gonna throw out some advertising and get people calling me, and I'm gonna see if these people that I do not know, I can put in some information with ... through a webinar, through testimonials, through Craigslist ads, and let's see if I can build a rapport well enough just with this system, but it works." I started that in the network marketing company, I think it was about November, when I actually started selling and advertising, and by the end of the year, I had taken their sales contest. I was number one that year. I was inducted into their ... Like a lot of you guys know like the Diamond Club or the President's Advisory Council of [crosstalk 00:37:33]- Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: Literally inducted into that crew and people were upset. Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: Because there were people who worked all year long in the network marketing business and they hadn't closed enough sales to make it. Like I remember I had beaten one of the ladies who did a phenomenal job. She's a wonderful person, very good dear friend of mine now, who I've had the opportunity to train and teach her teams this as well. They had done great but I only won by like six grand. Like my revenue was ... It was that close. But with only having a couple of months to finish off this ... the contest by the end of the year to go to their national convention and at that point, I knew I had something different that you could use on the phone, you use in person. That an influencer can use to sell coaching, that you can sell products, you could sell water, you could help people [inaudible 00:38:23] literally a [inaudible 00:38:25] individuals [inaudible 00:38:26], 'cause we know that people don't like what they need. Right? We know that. Like if you just give them the needs like, "[inaudible 00:38:32], like I know I need to take vitamins but I'm not choking the horse pill down." Right? So how do I give them the desire? How do I fulfill the desire and the need at the same time and then wrap it all up into a bow to where they're begging me to buy? And that's what this is man and that's what we've developed and it has shrunk the time it takes for me to work with people. I work about 20 hours a week now in what I do and the rest of the time I spend with my family man and I like to invest in real estate still. I like to buy properties, I really like helping people, I like traveling and speaking and running masterminds, and that's it dude. I mean that's kind of the evolution of this process. That's how I came up with it and I can't a 100% credit because I learned a lot in these different organizations from different people, that had little pieces. Right? I think that's we do as entrepreneurs- Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: As influencers. We've been influenced ourselves to actually go out and influence and so for me to take credit, I'm not a self made millionaire. Okay. It's a team thing, whether it's a book that you've read from someone who has passed away, passed along that knowledge in that book or that audio course, or the mentors that you've continued to have and the friendships and the relationships. Like I've learned a ton from you Steven, like a lot of what you've taught has helped even this process succeed in greater- Steve Larsen: Oh, cool. John Ferguson: And the other businesses that we own. And so like I think that the more people understand how connected that we are, the whole lot easier that everything becomes and it's less about closing and it's more about connecting and getting people to desire what they need, than shoving it down their throat. So hopefully the answer's there. I went on a discourse man. Steve Larsen: I love the discourse, but it's so true like that whole phrase, we all rise together. To me, for some reason that always seemed a little bit cheesy but the longer I've been doing this, the more I've realized the exact same. It's like look, I did not get anywhere on my own, like it's all ... We all do it together, we have to. If you try to do it on your own, you actually will drown. Anyway, I ... I'm so thankful for what you taught here and it just ... I think the listeners are gonna love it. Guys if you have, please reach out to John and say thank you. You can learn more from him as well. Where can people find you, John? John Ferguson: The easiest thing right now to do is I like to connect with people. I like to see who you are, what you're doing in the industry and one of the greatest tools right now out there Facebook. I'm on Facebook, you gotta go by my real name John Albert Ferguson. I know, it's not just John Ferguson. I got the big Al from my dad. So John Albert Ferguson on Facebook and it's real simple. I've got my personal profile and I got my page, and my page ... You can hit me up in the messenger and if you need some help, I'd love to spend about like a 15 minute consultation with you for free. No charge, just to kinda see where you're at, what you're doing, maybe we can unlock a few things and help to implement it and if it's something we wanna work together, you'll be on that, fantastic, and we'll find a way and we do coaching. I do mastermind, such like that, but really I wanna provide value first, and what they're gonna see too Steven, is I love real estate investing. And so you'll see a lot about my real estate and things I do and as well as my coaching and training and speaking within the sales and network marketing arena. So I think that's probably the easiest thing to do man, is just so they can get a picture of who I am, like my family and what I do. I think that one's the biggest thing, is in this industry I think a lot of people don't sell, they don't close. They can't because they feel they have accomplish some level of success before they can introduce their thing. Right? Well let's say I've got this bottle of water here that's gonna change people's lives. Right? Well maybe it's you're first week and your life hasn't changed yet. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You can poster the water, you can your upline, you poster just the experience you've currently had in the last 24 hours of being involved in an amazing community of people and enough is enough. Don't have to be right now and I like the whole act as if thing, but why not just be you? Like be yourself. Steve Larsen: Right. John Ferguson: Like are you going to allow somebody into your house with dirty, muddy shoes? Probably not. You're gonna ask them to take it off. Are you gonna let just anybody join your thing? Probably not and you shouldn't. Like if you're like, "No. Yeah. I will. I haven't made a sale so I gotta close somebody. Like if anyone wants to come in and give me money, they're in." No. That could be way more headache. Steve Larsen: Yeah. No way. John Ferguson: That would be ... It's not worth the headache. You wanna retain the right people so they can build the right community with you and you'll have a whole lot more fun. Like the money doesn't matter. You'll make more money being happy and enrolling the right people than you will trying to get other people just to buy- Steve Larsen: Amen. Amen. We need that on t-shirt and a mug. That was good. Yeah, anyway. I appreciate that. Sorry to cut you off there. John Ferguson: [crosstalk 00:43:32]. Steve Larsen: You were on a roll man. I'm loving the dialogue. This is awesome. John Ferguson: Yeah. No, we're good. Steve Larsen: Hey ... Thank you so much. Hey guys, go check out John though. Go to ... Go to his Facebook page. He's doing ... What ... You said working 20 hours a week, which is awesome. Obviously walking the walk, talking the talk. You know what you're doing and for me it's been fun to look around and go find out like, "Oh man, who were the ones in MLM who are really killing it? Who are ..." and not ... Meaning they've actually figured out a system and you clearly just over and over and over pop up as like one of the most expert individuals in this space and this area and I'm just so thankful to have you on the show. Please go check out John though at Facebook, connect with him. You can do a 15 minute consultation with him. For those of you guys who are jumping in Secret MLM Hacks, you also got an awesome training module from him as well. John, thanks so much for being on the show today. John Ferguson: Yeah. Fantastic. It was a pleasure. I really appreciate it and love what you're doing, Steven. You got some amazing things happening for your listeners and Secret MLM Hacks rocks. I mean if your listeners haven't joined that yet, you need to because that is what we're talking about today, is really engaging the proper people with the proper solutions that are geared towards their desires and their needs and you're laying it out there in plain speech that anybody can implement. So yeah, I'm just glad to have been a part ... a smart part of this and helping your audience succeed, man. Steve Larsen: Oh, man. Thanks so much. Appreciate it and thanks everyone for listening. Hey, thanks for listening. Please remember to rate and subscribe, whether you just want more leads or automated MLM funnels, or if you just wanna learn to get paid more for your product, head over to secretmlmhacks.com to join the next free training today.

  Here's what I learned while watching Russell in his $3 Million Dollar HOUR... What's going on, everyone? This is Steve Larsen and you're listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales funnels. Now here's you host Steve Larsen. Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on, everyone? Hey, so I just barely left ... Where was I? I was in Vegas. I forget where I go now. I'm traveling a lot right now. I'm going all over the place. I was home for a few days, went over and traveled. I'm only home for a few days again. I'm going to go travel again. I'm home for just a little bit, then I'll go travel again. It's all over the place right now. It's been fun. I really, really do enjoy it. Missing the family though a lot actually, but it's been really interesting. I had the very rare opportunity of watching Russell pitch. I was at Grant Cardone's 10X event and it was a great experience. I got to go sit down and watch. Honestly my favorite speaker was Grant himself. Okay? Besides Russell. I'm going to talk about that in a second. If you've not heard the huge news with that, which is pretty amazing, but I was sitting there and I was listening to Grant Cardone and he was teaching amazing stuff. Absolutely love listening to him. Super dynamic speaker. Great guy to listen to. I got a lot of great things from other speakers as well. Frankly the whole reason I went down to this event, okay, I was not planning on going to this event for quite some time. It was about a month ago. I remember I woke up one morning and I started thinking ... I don't know why guys, but I started thinking you know what? I've spoken on a lot of smaller stages now. I've spoken on a lot of smaller stages and smaller events, anywhere from 1 to 200 people, many times now, right, and several other events when there's supposed to be more people and there wasn't and there's a smaller amount. You roll the punches. A lot of fun, but I started to think. I'm like, "I want to see big people. Really huge influencers. I've got to see them go speak on huge stages with massive audiences and see what they do with their energy." The entire reason that I went to Grant Cardone's Growth event, right? 10X Growth event. I actually did not realize how big of a deal it was. I'm going to be completely honest with you. I didn't realize how many people were going to be there until I think the day before ... Not even. No, no. Yeah, okay, the day before I went down there, there was 8,500 people. 8,500. I didn't know. I have never been in an event that has been that big, that huge. I had no idea it was going to be that big, which there was pros and cons to it. Obviously I'm a huge fan of ... Obviously the pro of a smaller venue is you get a little more of the personal touch. However, the con is you may not get to network quite as much. I mean there's no way I'm going to meet 8,500 people anyway. Anyway, literally the entire reason I went to this event was to go watch massive, massive influencers speak to massive, massive audiences. I've spoken enough on other stages. I've taught a lot on other stages. Obviously not just on Russell's, but a lot of others. There is this vibe. Okay? Each presenter pulls different energies and relationships out of the audience, and it's fun to watch. They will match and they will mirror to the personality of the one speaking. It was fun to watch. It's always fun to watch. If you have ever listened to Darren Stevens, he talks about universals and truisms, things like that, to bring the audience together to get them to do things that you want. I love studying stage and I love studying stage presenters and what they do to actually control the audience. They have no idea most of the time that that's what's going on. Anything from small and OP things, down to the words you say, the gesture you use, the stories you tell. Stage to me is an amazing performance. I have a lot of respect for it because of ... If you go watch a movie, they can do a million takes, but like on a stage, you got to be an A game the entire time. It's all in one take. It's super, super amazing to watch what these guys do. It's honestly what I aspire to do. I want to go do that really bad. I'm really pumped. In a few days, I get to go speak in front of 2,500 people and I'm so excited. It's going to be over in Dallas. That's the biggest group I've ever spoken to. I didn't realize that that actually is a lot of people until Dave Woodward told me it was. I was like, "Oh, I didn't realize that ... I thought everyone's ..." Anyway, I'm excited about that and that's awesome, but knowing that, knowing that that was going to come up, I wanted to go watch this event and it is the reason that I went. I don't know what I was expecting or what I was even thinking, but I wanted to show up and I wanted to go, like I said, to watch how these guys interact. For some reason I had it in my mind, I knew that Russell was going to go and I knew he was going to pitch, and I knew that he was pulling off some very special things to be able to pitch to that many people. That is a skillset of its own, but I watched. I was like, "Yeah. I'm going to go." I didn't tell him I was going to show up for a while and I went and I showed up and got to listen. The shocking thing right from the beginning, I don't know why I was expecting anything different. I thought well, there's got to be some extra thing that he's doing for that many people. What is it? There's got to be some extra ... I knew he was going to use the perfect webinar script. I knew he was going to go through it. That's what I teach guys in Two Comma Club Coaching. I go through and teach you how to actually set up a webinar and get it going, which is ... Frankly, it's one of the major reasons I left my job. I wanted to go prove out and who that that's actually something I knew how to do as well, not just teach it. I'm actually doing it, which I am. It's great. I'll keep accounting for what's been going on there in future episodes here. I don't know why I expected anything to be different. I sat down and I can tell you that he used the perfect webinar script just like he would anywhere else. What was fun for me because I love that script. That script has made millions of dollars. I can think of very few of activities in my life that are worth studying that are that high leverage of an activity to go study than to learn how to pitch one to many, right? Instead of one to one, one to many like that. What I did is I started taking these notes and Russell got up and I was so excited. I know. I want to watch a master in his game, right? I got to watch him do that a lot of times sitting next to him face to face or right at his side or whatever in his office, but it was always over a computer, right or it was always over ... There'd be these smaller stages I go see him present of, but never one that big. For some reason I kept thinking that there would be this extra X factor. I can tell you, I even wrote down, I wrote small audience versus large audience equals the same. I don't know why I thought it'd be any different. There was a few things though, little extra flares, right? Little extra things. I mean he's been doing it so long. How can you do it truly 100% the same every single time? There was little tiny things that he did along the way that I thought were just brilliant, little shows of mastery all throughout, right? I took notes of them. I wanted to go through a few of what they are. There's one massive big one. I'm going to save it to the end. There's my little hook to stay to the end, okay? One massive one. There was a huge shift in what he normally does. It was brilliant to watch it guys. Absolutely amazing to watch it. I knew it was coming. I was excited for it. We had studied this stuff before we've gone ... Anyway, it was right before I left actually. He had this huge memory hit. I'm like, "Oh my gosh. There's a guy who used to ... He did a pitch this way. Let me go find it." Like 15 minutes later he had dug up all the pages from years ago and all the emails and he was like, "This is it." When he found it, it was amazing. He's got an elephant brain for marketing stuff. Absolutely incredible. It was one major thing that he switched. There was little funny phrases along the way that I keep continuing to pick up on and put it on my own webinar. Every time I do, I swear my wallet just gets a little bit fatter, which is fun. I hope you guys are doing those things as well. Anyway, this is a skillset to just study and learn and obsess over. I don't know that I've actually told you guys this yet, I recently went and I took everyone of Russell's webinar pitches, anything from Funnel Scripts, DotComSecrets X, obviously Funnel Hacks, Funnel Builder Secrets, any of the software secrets when he did that pitch, I grabbed everyone of the pitches that I've ever seen him do. I ripped the audio from every single one of them and I put them in this ... It's literally 11 hours of me listening to Russell pitch back to back to back to back to back. I will just listen to it, right? I've got it all together and I will just listen to it. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. One after another listen to ... There's all that education that matters that much in my opinion than learning that skillset. Have no mistake that I'm obsessed over this process. I absolutely love it. I love doing it. This is the thing for me to get better at. It's where I've dropped my anchor. You know what I mean? For a long time I just kind of ran around looking for different things to go do. Anyway, what I wanted to do is I've got Russell's Funnel Hacks webinar presentation that we use in Two Comma Club Coaching on one screen right now. Then in front of me, I've got also a whole bunch of notes. What I wanted to do is real quick just run through just a few little things. Some of them might seem tiny. Okay? Some of them might seem tiny. There's one major one though and I want to go through what that is. I want to document it. He certainly will I'm sure because it's just freaking incredible. If you don't know, he did over $3 million in an hour and a half. $3 million dollars in 90 minutes. He had a 90 minute slot. $3 million. His goal awhile ago was just to do a million dollars in a day or even in just a year, right? I think it took four years to hit that million dollars in a year, which is awesome to hit that. That's huge. That's so cool to do that, and then he did again and again and again and again and again and faster and faster. The time getting shorter and shorter and shorter, right? Even the Two Comma Club Coaching program, we did that in three and a half weeks for a million dollars. We did that several times in a few weeks for like Expert Secrets Book, things like that, and the timeline was getting just shorter and shorter, more and more compressed. Finally, building up to this thing, this scenario where he did $3 million in an hour and a half, which is ridiculous. It's so cool. It's so cool. I'm so excited for him, so pumped for him. I went nuts on Voxer just screaming. Oh man. I'm so excited for him. Anyway, I want to go side by side real quick here. If you study the Funnel Hacks webinar, the Funnel Hacks presentation, like I said, this is like the highest leverage stuff I believe you could ever go study that will pay you and pay you and pay you and pay you to learn how to do this stuff. Now I understand. I know there are other ways to pitch. I know there are other scripts. I know there are other formats, but this one is doing amazing. Why change what works? I've been going back through ... I'm sorry. I've not actually gone to the actual content here yet. I promise I will here in just a moment, but what I've been doing also for my own webinar is I've been going through and I've been studying a lot of the big webinar people today, right? I've been funnel hacking Liz Benny and watching her stuff. Dan Henry, right? Obviously Russell. Been going looking at Akbar Sheikh. I've been going and looking at each one of their pieces. Not just the pages, but inside each one of their scripts. How are they saying what they're saying? How does their slide say it? How are certain things here and there that are changing? It's been cool to go through and do that. The major foundation piece of my offer, that came from the market, right? I funnel hacked to a certain extent. I funnel hacked to a certain area and then after that, I went and I made my offer. The actual changes to the funnel, now that the product's done, now the product that I've been selling is totally done, now I'm just focused on two things: the funnel, how can I improve the funnel, the actual buying experience and selling experience, number two, promoting it. That's it. Those are my two activities until I die basically, right? Well, number one, I'm really focusing right now especially on the funnel. I know there are things that are broken. I'm fixing them right now. We're getting those done. I'm very excited for that. Then I'm going and I'm focusing on how to sell this stuff obviously. I've been going through that and I've been changing all these things. My head has already been very much in the spot. That's the whole reason why I'm trying to pre-frame what I'm going to tell you that it's not like just random things I wrote down. This is stuff that I looked at very specifically that what he was doing that I'm going to go through and I'm going to add. Anyway, at the very beginning, like in the Funnel Hacks presentation, one of the things that you do is ... There's really two introductions inside of the perfect webinar and I don't think people realize that. There are two introductions. Number one, you introduce the webinar. Okay? Why the heck are they there, right? Why are they there? If you've ever read the book Pitch Anything, it's one of my favorite books ever, it is definitely probably in the top probably 5 or 10 books I've ever read ever, and what it teaches and goes through is it talks about every time there's something new that comes up inside of the brain or in your life, your head runs through all these filters, right? It's always funny. My wife and I went ... I can't remember what movie we went to go see, but we went to a movie theater. We were sitting down in the movie and the movie preview started showing up, right? The movie previews are showing and they're these little basically little mini stories that are supposed to get you excited about the real thing. It's always funny. Everybody becomes a movie critic at the end of a movie preview, right? You always see everyone's heads turn to each other and go, "Oh yeah. We should see that. It looks great," or you'll see everyone's heads go, "That looks weird. That looks stupid. Dumb. Weird." Everyone becomes this movie critic. Why are you bringing this up, Steven? Because every time something new pops up in front of us, our heads starts to run through a filter, much like a movie preview. We run it through a filter, right? Number one, am I in danger? Needs of the body. Am I in physical danger? Can I eat it? Should I run? Fight or flight? Should I meet with it? Random stuff like that, but there's these criteria that your head runs through whether or not you're trying to to keep you safe and keep you alive and keep you breathing, right? It's the same for every piece of marketing. It's the same for every piece. Unless you can get past the first part of that brain, you will not pitch that person. They will not make a buying decision, right? There are two introductions to a webinar. The first introduction is introducing the webinar itself, right? That's where Russell says, "Hey, look, you're in the right place. This is where I'm going to show you how to do this without this. Here's my earnings disclaimer. Here is a testimonial of somebody else doing this thing." He doesn't even talk about what it is yet or who he is. The second introduction is introducing him or me, right? Because I'm doing the same thing, right? The first I'm introducing the webinar very methodically. Number two, I introduce myself. They got to fall in love with me now, right? The whole reason for those two, especially the first introduction, is to get past that first part of the brain so that they know, "Oh, I'm in a safe place. Oh, I can let the guard down." I literally have been saying that in my webinars lately. "Guys, feel free to just let the guard down. It's okay. Let the walls down. This is a safe place and safe environment for us to all learn." I can't remember everything I say without my slides here yet. I don't have it totally memorize slide by slide yet like Russell does, but it's going in that direction. There's two introductions. The story, Russell use the story at the beginning talking about the Four Minute Mile and he's using it right off the bat. The story is breaking and rebuilding beliefs. It's getting everyone the same plain. That's actually a form of NLP. Especially from stage, it's very, very clever for him to do that from the very beginning, to begin with a story like that. Most people know that story, which brings a sense of community and bringing together, right? All those little things. If you read the book Launch, the nine mental triggers, he is using those like crazy at the very beginning of that pitch. It's very crafted very, very well. He's going through and that's what he's doing. He's going through and he gave the story about the Four Minute Mile. It was absolutely incredible. He tells his own story. He's using an epiphany bridge. "Oh, how cool to be if I made a million dollars? This guy made a million dollars in a day. My Four Minute Mile is what if I just made a million dollars in a year?" He's talking about these internal and external desires, using epiphany bridge script, right? Now what we need to do is we need to see that this guy is not the only nutcase who actually had these results. He goes through and he's showing ... Because that's what the brain is thinking. He goes through and he's showing success stories of others, showing some video testimonials, right? He's using the same exact format and formula. He very, very closely to the point ... It was right after he introduced the webinar, right after he kind of introduced himself as well, he goes into what he calls a price marinade. This is the major difference for fear of talking forever and talking your face off guys and getting to an actual point of this podcast. I'm going to go straight to the main idea. Okay? We've been going for a little bit. I'm just going to talk about it. He does what he calls a price marinade. He's talked about his before so I feel totally fine talking about it as well. A price marinade. Now what's a price marinade? Now in a normal sales environment, it's very common for a lot of times to withhold the actual price until the end, right? What is that in Funnel Hacks? His stack, his value and his stack is $11,552. $11,552. Is this worth $11,552? Of course, it is. If all I said was this, is it $11,552? Of course, it is. Right? That's what he does. He goes through and that's what he teaches. His stack has a total value of $11,552. What typically happens is you withhold that information until the ever end. Then there's a big price drop, a public price, and then another kind of final price drop because you're special and you're on the webinar today. In this scenario, he took that first part and he made it known in the very beginning. This is very key. This is very, very key. This is a huge deal you guys. You don't pull this off without a lot of finesse, which obviously he has and he could do very, very well. What he did is he went and he said, "Here is the price. Before I sell you, before I have anytime to break and rebuild your belief patterns, which is the rest of the webinar, to do the stack and to tell three more stories, before I get a chance to do that, I'm going to tell you the price of this." It's a very interesting play. I feel like I'm going through and I'm talking about and commenting on football plays from the Super Bowl right. It's a very interesting play though to go through and watch a pitch man go and pull part of the price, the most expensive aspect of the price, and bring it at the beginning of the pitch, of an hour and a half pitch. That's a lot of time for someone to get out of their seat and walk away. It's how he did it that was very, very clever. It's called a price marinade because you bring that price forward and you talk about it at the beginning and you bring it up first so that it marinates. The brain has time to get used to that price point except that the price point that you said is actually real and say yes to it along the way. Is this making sense? I know I'm like going deep into the weeds right now and it's not normal on my podcast to do this. Usually when I do this, people are like, "Oh, that's an okay episode." I'm like, "No. That was like the most gold I could have given." It's because it's not wrapped in terms of the story right now. That's why people might feel like that. Understand what I'm saying. He brought the most expensive, the total value of a stack, and he brought it first. This is what he said, "My goal is to show you that everything that I'm doing here for you to be successful you need to invest $11,552." That's about how he worded it. Is that okay? He made everyone raise their hand. I think we raised our hand or we did something physical to attach to that verbal thing where we said, "Yes. Yes, Russell. I agree. If you can give me 10 times the results of my business right now," we're talking about 10X even he tied it right into it, which is awesome, "if you can give 10 times what my business is doing now, of course, I'll pay you $11,552." This was masterful. This was masterful because he charges $3,000 for the product, but they've already said yes to a much higher price point. Now he has the entire rest of the "webinar" live from stage, though in front of 9,000 people ... How many people were there? I think it was 8,500. He's got the rest of the time to break and rebuild the beliefs that are saying no to $11,552. He went through and guys, the way he crafted it was just incredible. Just incredible. What's interesting is Russell's following the path with ClickFunnels that all of us would be expected to follow as well. First, you write a sales message. You make sure it sells. Then you actually built the product to make sure it fulfills what you sold, right? Then you kind of go on the road selling it like crazy, and you're doing the same webinar to tons of people for a long extended period of time. That's kind of the road that I'm getting on right now and I'm feeling that shift... In fact, I was talking to Cole. You guys know, he's my buddy and he's my first full-time employee, which I'm very excited about to be happening here in a month or two, which I'm very excited about. He was already keeping me on track saying like, "Dude, stay focused man. Don't go getting on anything else," but I'm willing that shift right now. I'm feeling the shift and Russell was in the shift. The shift is don't go build anything else. Just sell the crap out of the thing that you've proven, right? You go and you go and you start selling and selling and selling and selling and selling and selling and selling. Russell for the last little while has done nothing, but the Funnel Hacks webinar... Very few other webinars here and there that he's built from scratch. This one though, I think he built the majority of this one from scratch. It was amazing to watch the template and the way he used the template of the perfect webinar script and he took certain parts here and he moved other parts there. You need to see what parts are malleable and what parts are not. What's interesting is it's no surprise what's not malleable. Storytelling? That's not malleable. You tell your stories. You get good at telling stories. You want to know how you sell? Tell stories. You want to know how to market? Tell stories. At the very based bottom line of it without going to any other detail, marketing to storytelling. You know what I mean? You're building and rebuilding the way someone sees the world through storytelling. That's exactly what he did. He's followed that exact same thing, but this idea of the price marinade is how he was able to get everyone pre-framed for a lot of money. Then it was this insatiable deal when it was only three grand. Does that make sense? He's introducing a constraint. He's introducing a constraint at the beginning of the webinar. The constraint being, "It's 11 grand. Oh my gosh. I've got to come up with $11,000. Holy crap." Then he's releasing it at the end. Same thing with the Funnel Hacks webinar. He introduces the constraint. Hey, this is what ClickFunnels is. It's $297. For $297 you get this and this and this and this and this and this. He's saying that because that creates limits, that creates barriers, right? You get this many contacts. You get this many funnels. You get this many this and that. He's saying that so that at the end of the webinar he can release the constraint for his fast acting bonus and get people to get it. This was like loaded with tons of constraints at the beginning with tons of constraint releasing at the end. That's why I was so freaking nuts and excited about the pitch that I was seeing. I was like dude, you usually just put like one limiting thing at the beginning and then you release that constraint at the end. You put like a hundred and price marinade. Oh my gosh. $3,000 price point. Thee million bucks in an hour and a half. Oh my gosh. Huge guys. Hall of frame right there in my mind. Should be in yours as well. I know that he's got this Two Comma Club Coach trophy, but they better come up for another way for what he just did. $3 million in an hour? That should be its own award. Most of us is just trying to hit that in much longer period of time. It's pretty funny. Walk inside ClickFunnels and he's got I think 17 or 18 Two Comma Club awards of his own, and three of them are $10 million products besides ClickFunnels. The dude knows how to sell. Mad, mad, mad props, my friend. Absolutely incredible. Very fun to watch that. I encourage everyone of you guys to obsess like you would over sports or obsess like you would like a hobby over the act of pitching. You've got to sell. Everything depends on sales. Don't think that you can be in marketing and neglect sales. They are different. They are different. The better marketer you are, the less hard sales we have to do, but you still have to learn how to sell. You still got to learn how to pitch. You still got to learn how to present an offer. Obsess over these elements. These are the things, these are the dials to turn. These are the most high leverage activities for you to go obsess and absolutely love. Anyway, that's all I got for you guys. I'm sorry if it was a little bit in the weeds. It's a little bit of a different styled episode than normally I would do, but I just wanted to talk about that and help you guys understand like why that was such a big deal. It was a huge deal on a lot of accounts. My brain, my little marketing serious brain is going nuts. I literally was just about to end the episode, but I forget one other thing that you guys should all know about. One of the things I've struggled with ... Struggling is the wrong word for it, but like is a challenge when you're face to face with people in an event to get people when it's time to go buy to actually stand up, the physical action of them to stand up and go buy at the back table or back of the room or whatever. The reason why is because they will sit there and they just kind of look at you and they don't want to be rude because you're talking. You have to give them permission to stand up even though you just said, "Go to the back right now. There's order forms on the back. When they're gone, they're gone," or whatever, right? You have to actually say it. It's interesting to watch Russell ... Two of the things here that I've just learned from those are huge, huge, huge guys. I hope that you are soaking this in. This is annoying that I'm going this long, but it was cool to watch him. Several times when he got to the part where the actual call to action came, he would be like, "Guys, if you can tell this is already going to fit you already, like stand up and go to the back. Stand up and go to the back. Seriously right now. Stand up and go to the back. Get up. Stand. Right now. Just get up and go to the back." He kept saying it like that way. Then he would stop like in the middle of the stack. I stood up. He was super nice. He talked about my MLM Funnel in his presentation. All this people around me were asking about it. I stood up to go down to the table and they were like, "You bought already." I was like, "This is something to buy again." I started walking down. He still went for another like 15-20 minutes it felt like. It was funny at least. About 15 minutes. He wasn't even done with the presentation and there was probably a thousand people. He wasn't even done. That's what I want to come say. He was not done and he kept going and going. He was finishing the whole presentation, but there was already this huge massive people at the tables turning their order forms like hotcakes. That's what I want you to understand and know is that ... He continued to throughout, continued to say, "Stand up and go to the back. If you know this is a good for you already, oh look at that. Those are the smart people who are already in the back right now just standing up and go to the back." He kept giving permission because people don't want to get rude. They're sitting there. They're listening to you. They're in this docile state. You got to break that. He'll continue to say it over and over and over and over, getting them permission to come up. I've used that tactic in the past and I made the stupid mistake of not continuing to say it. I kept talking afterwards and some dude sat down after he saw that I kept speaking. It pissed me off. He didn't go buy because he was trying not to be rude to me. That dude should have just went and bought. I did not continue to say stand up. Stand up. When you're doing live events like that, continue to say, "Get up if you know this fits for you. Get up. Keep going. This would be helpful for you. Get up." Then the next day what he had was a ... He was able to stand back up and give a ... It was basically a re-offer. He like did a double close. It was really interesting. He gave away some really cool ... He basically stood up and said, "Look guys, I pulled $3 million out of the room. If you guys want to know how I did it, I've decided that I'm going to add my presentation and all the stuff that I did inside what you bought. If you're like on the fence relieving like in the next little bit, you have got to stand up right now and go to the back and purchase right now because I'll give you ..." He's adding his extra bonuses in. I thought like how interesting is that? The guy is offer creating off the fly. This is incredible. Just making it even better and better and better and better. Anyways, he did this cool follow up thing. I was thinking like how would I apply it to a webinar? I'm thinking if I can, that's going to be a cool thing where I do some cool unadvertised bonus. Hey look, if you're still on the fence, I decided to add X, Y and X in. I think it'd be awesome. Anyway, I'm excited to go apply some of the things that I saw to the online webinar. This certainly apply. Man, guys, I get more excited about Funnel Hacking Live than Christmas and this was like the most exciting thing I've ever seen in my life. It was so cool. You guys can call me nerd. I don't care. It was awesome. All right guys. Talk to you later. Obsess over your thing. Don't let anyone else talk you out of working hard. Talk to you later. Thanks for listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Want to get one of today's best internet sales funnel for free? 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Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on everyone. This is Steve Larsen and you're listening to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. Here's the real mystery, how do real MLMers like us who didn't cheat and only bug family members and friends, who want to grow a profitable home-business, how do we recruit A-players into our downlines and create extra incomes, yet still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives? It's the blaring question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. All righty, it's ten o'clock right now. I'm honestly super tired, but there's so much caffeine still surging through my veins that I don't think I could go to sleep for a while anyway. Which honestly probably is not that like healthy, but anyway, I am excited to be here. I'm excited to share with you something I've been working on, that is finally ready, that is out there. No, it's not the course yet, the actual, everything is launching on January 4th, 2 PM Mountain Standard Time. If you want to get on the waiting list for that, there are 500 of you on there now, that's crazy, that's crazy to me. It's amazing the community that has already been forming around Secret MLM Hacks and what I call the Mavericks. You guys will learn more about that on the actual launch, which is awesome. The Mavericks are amazing and I'm excited for those of you who want to become one. It means something very specific. We've got our own little mantra and everything, it's awesome, it's fun stuff. It's very, very, very passionate community, which is very fun. I want to be around passionate people. I want to be around people who care about what's around them and what they're doing in their life. It's been fun to see how the community has been exploding, we're about to pass 10,000 downloads on this podcast, which is awesome. Which is really, really cool honestly, it's only a few months old. Then, man, I literally looked only maybe a week or two ago, and there's 400 people on the waiting list to check it out. Now there's almost 500, just underneath 500 barely. We'll probably cross it like tomorrow, which is crazy to me. I just can't even believe it. What it means to me is, okay now, let me flip into marketer mode. What it means to me is, I am validating through the market, the market is telling me that I'm hitting the head. I'm hitting the nail on the head, hitting the pin point straight on the head, which is awesome, okay, that helps me like crazy. Hey, I want to talk to you about something that's really, really important to me real quick, and that is publishing. A lot of you guys know obviously, I'm publishing right now, you're listening to me. I'm in your ear, I appreciate it, whatever you're doing. I don't know if you're at the gym, you're driving in the car or you're at the grocery store or whatever it is, thanks so much, I really appreciate that. The power of publishing is amazing, and I know I've talked about it before on this podcast, but I just wanted to talk about it again real quick. Specifically, okay what I've done is I've gone and I've created some funnels, some internal funnels that help manage my internal processes. These internal processes are amazing, because they help save me time and help me focus solely on selling rather than running my business. That makes sense? As an MLMer, especially at the beginning, look, you are the sole driver. You are the only person that your success hangs on, does that makes sense? When you get cash coming in and I know a lot of you guys, especially a lot of you guys who've been reaching out to me, you guys have huge downlines already, massive rock stars, which is awesome, very, very cool. You have cashflow to be able to go hire other people. You have cashflow to really go, and now if you're just starting out brand new, a lot of times it's going to be more challenging for you, I mean to be able to go hire other people or to whatever it is, right? You are the sole driver, you are the sole person. There's no other person that you can look to for why you may or may not be successful other than yourself, which comes with a curse and a blessing. You know what I mean? It comes with both a pro and con with that. Do you know the buck stops with you, there's no one else for you to look to, and I don't need to keep saying that. You obviously get that. What I do, now I have a team. I have people I hire. I have people that, because I'm in a different situation, I've been doing this for a while now. I mean I'm literally leaving my job over this right, which is happening in just a few days here, which is both exciting and nerve wracking with both pieces around it. A lot of people don't know though that before this job that I have now, before I actually was doing heavily a lot of internal processes related things. The things that I was doing and building, people would hire me to go improve their internal processes. When someone places an order online, how does it automatically get over to this person in support? How does it get over to fulfillment? How is it tracked? How is it checked off the list? You know, all those things, and so I heavily did those pieces for companies. They're inside of me, I already like efficiency and you can go overboard with it, but man, efficiency is amazing. What I do is, I build sales funnels obviously to sell stuff, but I also build funnels for internal management things. Kind of do this with me okay? There was this company that hired me to travel to these different states and I would film and I would create their internal processes, and I would go around. I was just trying to prove myself to the market at the time, okay, this was several years ago. It's crazy. That's probably almost four years ago now. That's nuts. It's not, maybe three anyway. What they would do is, I would go around and I would film and I would create these cool internal processes for these companies. My favorite was to work with people just like you, people who might most likely on their own/have a very small team, two, three, four, five people maybe at the most and go help set up the internal processes to help alleviate the business, alleviate the team. Especially alleviate the entrepreneur, whose main role is to go sell stuff. A marketer, salesman, entrepreneur, I don't care which call, it's the person in charge, their main role is to sell things. Your job, you are a salesman, okay and I know sometimes for whatever reason salesman has somewhat of a negative connotation to it, which is stupid. Sales makes the world go round and if everyone stops selling, our economies they all die immediately. Like be proud to be a salesman. It is in my mind besides parenthood, it's like the most prestigious career path on the planet. You should be proud to be a salesperson, okay, sales is amazing. Everyone sells, no matter if you've never sold anything for money before, you've certainly sold to the people on whether or not they go to this movie or that movie, that restaurant or this restaurant, get this pair of shoes or that shirt. Okay, everyone has sold no matter where you are. Selling is part of life, and so you are a salesman, and so your main role is to sell. I want you think real quick and start thinking through and say, self, what are the tasks that are taking up my time that are not sales related? If something does not actually contribute to your bottom line, why are you doing it? Okay, and those are questions that I constantly come up with and I go like, oh, questions that I ask myself and I constantly get new answers. I'm like, oh my gosh, look, I'm spending too much time doing X, Y and Z. Oh man, which one of those can I automate? Which one of those can I start and actually start putting some automation behind it? That's when I automate stuff, and so what I've done is, I went and I have been automating this internal process that I have been spending a lot of time on. Although I have, I think I've only ever had one other person on this podcast so far. I actually have a second show and I love interviewing people. I love diving deep into their sales processes or these funnels or sales flows or whatever you call them, whatever you want to call them. I want to see how people are selling in their businesses, and I want to see what offers are working with them and I want to see where the traffic is coming from. I want to see, I like that stuff, I want to know where those things are. I want to know who is doing what and who's killing it. It's the same thing with this podcast. It's just, the main purpose of this podcast so far, this first few episodes has been all about me documenting the journey of me creating the product that is launching on January 4th. We're hard at work. We're putting all sorts of stuff, cool stuff together. We've got the workbook together. I've been creating this cool, there's a lot of awesome stuff here and I want to tell you more about it in future episodes. The main point of this episode though, is I want you to know that, what I've done is, I've taken a step back, just like you should too and ask yourself, "Oh my gosh, what keeps me from the act and role that I have of salesman, right of revenue driver?" I'm not getting sidetracked with logo, I'm not getting sidetracked with if I have an office space, who cares. Do it on your couch for a while, it doesn't matter, and eventually just go talk to people. Start thinking through those things, what are the tasks? What are the things that I am distracting myself with, the things that I am saying to myself, "Oh, this is more important, because selling for me is uncomfortable," and you go and you start. This might be a little bit unpleasant, this might be a little unpleasant okay, to get real with yourself. Get honest with yourself. What is it that keeps you from selling? What is it that keeps you from pushing your MLM out there? What keeps you from recruiting another person? What keeps you from, what keeps you from basically working towards your own retirement early? Okay? How much, what is that worth to you? You make a list of what those things are, a real list, okay, not what you think I want to see or hear or someone else wants to see or hear. What you know that you're supposed to be doing next. What is keeping you from doing those things, and write that on one side of the paper. The other side of the paper write down like the one or two things that you know you're supposed to be doing. What's distracting you, and on the other side of this paper, what are the things that are actually that you're supposed to be doing. Distractions and then real, real tasks. I will tell you that number one on the right side should be revenue. It should be sales. That's what I've been doing, is I went back and I started thinking to like, what are all the things that are keeping me from selling? Honestly, it's this internal process that I go through and I love it, but it's different literally every single time. There's no systemize ways that I've set up yet to be able to handle this scenario, and that is, with the way I handle my interviews. I love interviewing people on the podcast, I love when people ask they get interviewed on my podcast. I'm about to do a whole bunch more on this podcast. It's not a pitch fest, it is an opportunity for people to share how the strategies they're using to recruit or to sell the products or that kind of thing. It's not, there will be zero name dropping of someone's actual MLM that they're a part of. That's not the purpose, that's not the goal of this podcast. It is literally just to share strategies with you, so you know other cool ways that other people are recruiting besides the whole friend and family trap. Which again, I know if you love that, that's awesome. It's great for you, but I hate that, and I am not actually that amazing face to face with people. I would rather not talk face to face with people about this stuff, so I found other ways to do it, which is the purpose of this podcast to show you what I've been actually doing. Interviews, I love interviewing people. What I've done is, the problem is that every time someone asks to get interviewed on the show, which is a whole bunch that we'll be coming up in the future. Or when someone asks to interview me, it's always different. The process is always different. Literally every single time, they might ask through Facebook, they might text me and find my phone number somewhere, they might email me, they might find my phone number. There's been some weird ways people have found some stuff, and I'm not sure whether or not to be flattered by their persistence or kind of creeped out. What I've done is, I've systemized it and I've put a process in place that replaces me, right, that replaces the stuff that I continue to do over and over and over and over. I shouldn't be distracting myself, I should be mostly focused on sales like you. Here's what I've done, and I'm going to draw it out here while I'm describing it, so that I make sure I put all the pieces together. If you go to secretmlmhacksradio.com, secretmlmhacksradio.com, it's the same place that the outro talks about my little call to action, saying that I'll help you and help your team, train your team on more ways to actually recruit people, which is awesome. I get a lot of great feedback from that course, but it's free. It's got the MLM Masters pack. You can also ask a question to me, that I like to place on the show. I haven't done one of those in a while either, I should probably, I know there's a few questions that I got to catch up on. If you go to secretmlmhacksradio.com and on the top click 'Get Interviewed', what it'll do is, it'll take you to a page that's basically a three step process on a single page. Section one asks you just for basic contact information. It says, "Hey, what's your name, email address, what's your Facebook ID?" Of course, I look people up before I interview them. I am very protective of my audience. I'm very protective of you guys. I vet people really hard both myself and a VA, okay? There's a vetting process. I only want the best of the best of the best, or someone who's very passionate to come on the show. Or someone who has a story or someone who's like, "Hey, I've got this cool story," whereas kind of the rags to riches, around rising above, that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? What's inspiring to the rest of the group, the rest of the community, those are the kinds of things I'm looking for, right, or some cool strategy found or some cool, whatever it is. Whatever you want to share, but it's a chance for you to be set on a pedestal. Honestly, the episodes are getting downloaded, I'm getting anywhere from one to 200 downloads a day right now, on this podcast, which is awesome for a completely organic, only a couple months old. That's awesome you guys, thank you very much, I appreciate that. What it'll ask you, again, go to secretmlmhacksradio.com if you want to get interviewed. I guess that's my call of action to you, that's my subtle, totally non-subtle plug right there. If you go to secretmlmhacksradio.com, click on the top 'Get Interviewed'. The first thing it asks you, and so I built this whole thing yesterday actually. The first thing it asks you is, "Hey, name, email, Facebook ID," all those kind of stuff, Skype ID, because that's usually where I do my interviews. Then when you click Next Step, there's like this cool show hide element and it shows the next section. It's the same page, you don't actually leave the page ever. All it does is hide the first section and show the second section, and then it asks things like, "Hey, what do you want to share? What are the things that you'd be passionate about, talking about? Are you okay if I put your face in different places? Are you okay if I spend ad dollars in the future with our interview and kind of push you over the place? Can I repurposed and syndicate the content?" Stuff like that. Then the third thing it asks you is, "Hey, what's one like massive value bomb you'd love to share with the community in order to provide value?" Please understand this is not a pitch fest, it's not X, Y and Z. It's not are you okay with that, and it goes through. Anyway, that's kind of it. When they click Submit, it automatically through something called Zapier, it automatically sends all that data to a spreadsheet in Google sheets. It automatically emails the person who just submitted it, and it automatically notifies my assistant that a new submission has been placed, so she can go through and do the initial kind of vetting walk through process. Then, if we both give the thumbs up, then she sends over a link, where you can go and choose a time from my calendar to jump on and do an interview call and come share your cool thing. That's kind of it. I'm super stoked about it. The next page that takes you over to, that's all the animation in the back and the next page it takes you over to the thank you page. It's like, "Hey, look, if you, thanks for, you know want to get on my show. If you want me to get on yours, click right here," and it kind of brings them through a similar process. It's kind of like this cool loop that I created. The whole reason I did it, was to automate a process that I have been finding challenging for me to handle. So many guys are going to be thinking like, "Steven, I don't love funnels the way you do. I'm not a total geek, nerd like you are. I don't have a pocket protector like you probably do." I don't by the way, but if anyone wants to send me one, I'm all down. I'm just kidding. Hey, I totally get that, and it's totally fine. Luckily for you there are other nerds like me who are looking for people like you, who want to set that up for other people and maybe this is something that I should make available with the current product that's coming out on June, oh sorry January 4th. Anyway, no matter what it is though, so you don't always need tech, you don't always need X, Y, and Z. I'm not a coder or a programmer, and it always shocks kind of people I think when I say that, but I'm not. I don't know how to do any of that stuff, and so I've pulled this stuff off without knowing how to do that stuff. That should be somewhat alleviating to you. Yes, I spend a lot of time around technology, but this doesn't need to be something crazy. No matter what it is, just systematize more areas of your life. If there are things that you are finding that you're doing over and over and over and over again, that don't actually contribute to your bottom line, why are you doing them? Okay, think through why are you doing them? Do you really have to or is it a distraction? Is there something that you're trying to get yourself to, you're trying to convince yourself, oh my gosh, like if I just do this one thing, if I just read this extra book, if I just answer this other email that has nothing to do with the sale, I'm going to be successful with it. That's not true at all. You must be spending as much time as possible, especially in the beginning, in the act of selling, which for a lot of people sometimes means discomfort. Think through yourself, think through what are those things. What are those things that are distracting me and can I systematize any of them? Is there something that, this has more to do with setting up kind of internal processes and more of the business internally for you. I get that. This is an MLM podcast and I get that, but it's so very much applies to you, whether you are new or you are very seasoned and have a massive downline. What are the things that are distracting you from the sale? Can you automate them? That's all this episode is about, man I'm super stocked so I guess that's kind of my un-shameful plug too. If you're wanting to jump on, go ahead and go to Secret MLM Hacks Radio and click on 'Get Interviewed' over the top. Anyways guys, and the same is true otherwise the other way around. If you're wanting me to get interviewed, if you want to interview me, you go to SteveJLarsen.com. It's very similar process click up on the top, it says 'Interview Me'. Anyways guys, that's it. I guess that's my soft pitch for absolutely no money. All right guys, hope you're doing great. I'll talk to you later, bye. Hey, thanks for listening. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback for me. Do you have a question you want answered live on this show, go to secretmlmhacksradio.com to submit your question and download your free MLM Masters pack.

Click above to listen in iTunes.. Here's the Pattern I've Noticed 'the Greats' Following... What's going on everyone. This is Steve Larsen, and you're listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Announcer: Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio, where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business, using today's best internet sales funnels. And now, here's your host, Steve Larsen. Steve Larsen: Hey, you guys, super excited for this episode here. I've got somewhat of a treat here. This is a little bit different. One of my buddies, Ben Willson, totally the man, been friends forever with him, actually made my first dollar online with him, while I was in college. He's the man. Anyway, he and I chat all the time, super good friends, and he had a question about content creation strategies and how to go about doing it in a way where it doesn't suck up your entire life. What I wanted to do is drop in a Vox conversation that we had about that very topic. So what I'm going to do is I'm actually ... I have the Voxers right here, and I'm just going to drop them in right here, so you guys can hear them. It is a little bit long, but I think the strategies that I say in here should connect a lot of dots for people and help people understand more about how we can produce so much content in such a little amount of time. This is literally how I am doing it. There's more of this that I'm implementing personally, as well, my own processes. Honestly, when you start looking at about how all the gurus actually create so much stuff, most of them are doing variations of this, if not this exact same thing. So let me go ahead and go over to the episode here, and please let me know if you enjoyed this, and give a shout out to Ben Willson for asking the question and sucking this information out of me, because sometimes I don't realize some of the things I'm doing. I'm just doing them. You know what I mean? So this was helpful. Ben Wilson: What am I doing? What am I doing? How should I say this. I spent eight months creating my first info product before I ever sold any of it. You know that I mean? Eight months, and it sucked, and I thought I was doing it the right way, but it was the total wrong way, because I still had not hung around Russell to realize what he actually was doing. Now, though, I know exactly how he does it, which is awesome. The way he pumps out so many freaking products ... because he has a hold. I mean, granted he's got a graphics guy. He's got a video guy. He's got a Facebook guy. He's got this. He's got this, whatever, but he's still the main creative, you know? He is. He's still the main innovator of products there. What I've noticed, watching him, is that ... so I spent eight months creating that first product, and no one bought it for months after it was done. Instead, and this is the scariest thing on the planet, but it is ... How should I say this? Dude, he sells stuff before he ever, ever starts creating it, and it's the way he rolls it out, and he pre-frames it with everybody, so they know that it's not ready. He says, "Hey, look," two weeks from the time that it starts ... I'm sure that, I've talked about this on my podcast before, so you're probably like... That's how, though, like "Hey, it starts in two weeks. Part of the early bird pricing is we're going to give a little price drop as a thank you. It's $9.97 to join." Then one week out, "Hey, it's one week away, $9.97 to join, early bird pricing." Then on the actual day, "Hey, guess what? It's actually, opened today, but we're still accepting the early bird pricing deal," right? Then a week after you've opened the cart. "Hey, good news. You guys don't have to wait like everyone else did. You can get started right now, for just $9.97." Same thing two weeks in. "You don't need to start. There's already two modules that are already done in there for you." But really, what you're doing is, so that's the surface level that everybody sees but what you're actually doing and this is how I build Secrets Masterclass what you're actually doing is you put an ask campaign onto every single module, so you know at least what the models are gonna be but they're not created yet. So on every single module you have an ask campaign. So let's say the first module was about how to drive Facebook ads and module number two is about how to talk to people on the phone, I don't know I'm just making stuff up. Let's say module number three is about whatever. You would go and you would say, "Okay, I'm so excited for this module with you guys." Sorry, "So excited for this module with you guys." Module number one's going to be all about Facebook ads just so I make sure I've got the content correctly, addressing your needs. What is your number one question or challenge about Facebook ads right now? And they're, when they go through and answer it they're giving the freaking content that they're asking you to create. It's funny because I usually go way past what they're expecting, way overboard. I have totally done that on this [inaudible 00:05:17] products thing. 100%, you know what I mean? Because I'm building stuff that they didn't even know existed, which is fine 'cause I'm going to use it in other areas, but I won't probably sell it like this in the future. Anyway, so that's one way as far as rolling out courses and you probably, I mean you probably know that, I'm sure. Here's another way, I'm just going off the top of my head, like here's several ways of repurposing content like an absolute beast. So we'll have, do you know the difference between, this is also one of the major keys, it's the difference between an opportunity switch and an opportunity stack. If you, I know you've read "Extra Secrets" but, when it's an opportunity stack, those are way easier than opportunity switches, with an opportunity stack and we're just doing like one off sales when they're, "Hey we should sell this," but it's not like a continuity, it's not like easily continuity based thing like, Funnel Immersion, do you remember that? I don't know if you ever saw that but Funnel Immersion was like the back archives of all the treatings he had done for his inner circle. So like 300 bucks. It was amazing. And on day two it was like $400 for the same content. On the third day it was $500 for the exact same content because on the fourth day it closed out and you still can't buy it. If you go to Funnelimmersion.com you still can't buy it but what it did is it let us create a product. Sorry. It let us create a product and get paid for the creation of the product. Okay he doesn't like to create content without getting paid for it. So he always sells it first and then he goes out and he creates the content second. So it's the same kind of thing so all he did was he had these pre-created things and all I did was I aggregated them and we sold it, it made 300 grand in like three days it was ridiculous and we closed it out but now what we know is that that offers awesome. So it becomes a very easy upsell in other funnels. So, I can't remember which funnels I'm part of right now, but you can't buy it on the open web, which is awesome because it's let us say in the pitch now, on the first OTO, "Hey this is literally not available on the internet." You know the back archives of X, Y, and Z is $300 and we know it converts well because it sold so well so he'll take these one off products and make them the upsells inside other funnels where it makes sense to have that thing. And I'm trying to think what other ninja strategies or content tips. The repurposing thing that is totally, I'm sure that's kind of self, I'm sure you've done that before too. That's why I like [inaudible 00:08:20] so freaking much, oh my gosh, I just create one podcast episode and it blasts all over the place on youtube and video platforms and also, tons of social medias and the blog and, it just gets repurposed like a beast. It's kind of cool because if you can get your own content strategy down it lets you feel to the rest of the world your like, a hundred guys. When your just like one or two. Here's another cool strategy that I'm actually gonna start implementing it, especially as I go solo. Dude, I know you've noticed content creation takes for freaking ever and it's a huge pain in the butt so I'm gonna start doing what I've seen a lot of other inner circle people do and actually I've actually already been doing it to a smaller degree. And that is a lot of these guys will bash their content in a serious way. Sorry, dude I'm yawning like crazy, I gotta go to sleep soon. [inaudible 00:09:24]at like 2 AM I gotta go to bed now but anyways so what they'll do is this. They will find themselves a graphics guy and like a general social media manager person. Kay, and what they do is and this is what [John Lee Dumas 00:09:44] does, JLD, entrepreneur on fire, I got to listen to him, got to talk with him, he's a cool guy. They will schedule all of their interviews for their podcasts for all of their content creation or every video they're gonna shoot for that, for the next while, you know, three months even and his team gets it transcribed, takes a picture from it to turn it into a meme, they turn it into a podcast, they turn it into a blog post, into an Instagram thing. Anyway they repurpose it into every platform that you can even conceive in a week's time. So first of all it gets passed to this person and they create a meme out of it. And then they hand it off to the next person and they get the next one and they create it out of the meme out of that one and they hand it off to the next person and this next person what they do is, and this is these ridiculous content generating machines that they put together. Yeah, they don't have to spend all the time creating all this stuff. They spend several days at the beginning of each month. John Lee Dumas, I know he does, he told us that he does his interviews the first two days of every month. So they'll only be one hour interviews but they'll be back to back to back to back. He's like they're killer days. They're good days but they're killer. He's like, "I'm totally rocked by the end of it, but then I hand it off to my team they do the editing, then they put it all together, and then they drip it out. Every single day for the next ever." I mean he podcasts literally every day that's like JLD's thing but that's how though, that's how he does it. Stu McLaren, for his membership sites. Dude that dude makes $627,000,000 a year on membership sites that he only actually spends two weeks a year creating. Most people don't know that. Isn't that crazy? So what he does is his membership sites are heavily based on interviewing experts and each month they get a new expert interview, they get a blog post, they get a behind the scenes thing. A lot of cool stuff and the persons paying them $27 a month or something like that and it could be about recipes. Whatever. What he does is he'll fly in twelve different experts and he interviews them all in a single day and he creates all the content and all the models, all the courses, everything over the next week or two and then it's constantly, it's dripped out, so it's evergreen for each person that comes in and he's set for literally a full freaking year and ... it's behind the scenes of all these guys doing all their content in course generating that has been, it really opened my eyes. To think through, like so I'm gonna start doing that because I got a business to freaking run man. But I got to talk to my audience. I try to podcast at least twice a week that's what I want to do though. Dude publishing has changed my life for that one so I can't not publish. Ben Wilson: Not publishing feels like I'm taking away future of thousands of thousands of dollar per day for my self. Because if I publish and I just make a- Steve Larsen: I'll text her to... Ben Wilson: A following out of it like, I think publishing is as powerful of a skill as... because if you can get publishing down, dude some of the worst YouTubers out there have no idea what they're doing at all but they have these gigantic followings. They don't know how to build funnels, they have no idea how to monetize anything, but they get these massive, massive followings, really, really quickly because they figured out how to publish and be an attractive character and tell stories, which is mostly what it is, it's just story telling. And ... anyway that's seriously what that is though. But that's what I've, anyways that's what I've learned. Here's another cool little tidbit, when these guys go and create courses, so they'll go, they'll go usually whatever easiest to create the actual content that's the medium that they'll go for so like, I do podcasting cause it's really freakin' easy for me to repurpose that stuff and... and turns it into a video for me as it's getting publish, which is awesome so I don't have to make a video. So Russel will film an entire module or even an entire course in a single sitting sometimes. He's got so much backlogged content that he doesn't totally need to do that anymore so well I'll just take and pick and grab different things and repurpose from other courses and, you know what I mean like, I do that all the time. That's what Secrets Masterclass is. And then we filmed a single intro video for each module in just a single shot but what these guys will do though for their courses, they call it thud factor. Okay thud factor is if you were to take a book and drop it on a table from a foot high, like what kind of thud does it get so this is an actual thing called thud factor. I think this comes from Danny Kennedy or something like that. But what they do is this, is when they go and create these courses that put things together, it's the same reason ... Anyway let me tell you the thing and then tell you how I'm doing it. Cause I totally have been, which is awesome. But what they'll do is, they'll go film the whole course, they'll take that, they'll get it transcribed and turn it into a workbook, or a news letter or transcriptions, they'll take the videos, they'll put it into a member's area but they'll also take the videos and put 'em into, they'll put it into 12 thumb drives, it could easily fit on one thumb drive but that takes away thud factor. Kay, in the workbook it would make fiscal sense to print double-sided. They don't. They print single-sided because it's thicker and you have more thud factor. So when you get these boxed sets from these people. You open it up and we all consume content in different ways. I never read blogs, I'm shocked when people read mine, I know it's good to have so I do it. Right? Cause there are people that will read it so someone will each out and say, "Hey, I was reading your blog," and I was like, "Wow I forgot I had one." It's all part of the system I put up. And, "This sounds awesome, X, Y, and Z," but like they've never heard my podcast. They're just reading transcriptions from it. Anyways it's fascinating stuff. Russel has all these box sets, all over his book shelves and what they are is their swipe files to him, meaning it's some guy who had awesome thud factor so they went out and it's this right there's a, first there's an actual iPad that has the course pre-loaded on it or you could listen to it on your computer and there's twelve thumb drives with all the courses spread throughout there. Or if you want there's a notepad where all of it has been transcribed and you get a huge massive, three ring binder and it honestly it could have fit on a two inch three-ring binder but it looks so much better it's on a four to six inch reading binder, you know what I mean? And so you get this box that's huge because what they're trying to create inside the person's mind is finality. If there's finality in the brain, right that gives the warm fuzzies to a buyer that they have found a solution, that they've arrived, they come home, that there's no more reason to look anymore cause I found home. So that's how they're doing that. That's just a whole bunch of different content generating strategies man, when it's all said and done it's all about batching it and especially if you're regularly publishing, it's about batching it. If you're course creating it's usually about selling it first so you know it actually sells and then creating one module at a time with them. So that first group that comes in with you is creating a content with you so that everyone that follows up afterwards and is buying afterwards you know that its awesome content because it was basically user created, they just don't know that. Anyways that's pretty much it though. And then they look for ways to duplicate themselves so live QnA calls are amazing, group QnA not one on one. One on one QnA calls to be sold at for a higher ticket price, higher up in the valley ladder. The group coaching QNA calls are awesome because you can record those, get them transcribed, you can give the audio, you can turn it into a video and make a youtube series out of it. You can take that and get it transcribed and put it into a monthly news letter with, "Hey this is the groups'-" dude, tons of people do that kind of stuff and I used to think it was kind of a joke honestly but it is ridiculous how powerful it is. And like there's tons of people who won't ever get on the QnA calls but they will listen to every single replay. You know what I mean? 'Cause that's how they consume content. I don't ever read blogs, I watch youtube videos and I listen to podcasts. That's how I consume content. I don't ever answer my phone and that's ... it's all about this concept that Russel talking long a Vox man sorry about this. I hope this is okay but it all revolves around a concept called conversation domination, I can't remember who first said that but, we wanna dominate every single channel, dominate every single conversation. Gary V taught that back in the 1950s there were like three different channels. NBC, ABC, and whatever alright there weren't that many and the reason Tony Robbins is Tony Robbins is because back when there was only three channels in the TV, he had ads on every single one of them. That's like how he blew up. Right, I mean that's why he's so big. He dominate, I know it wasn't the 50s but 60s or 70s or something like that. That's why he's Tony Robbins because he dominated those channels and so Gary V teaches that the phone is like the TV of the 70s. There's only three or four channels you got YouTube, there's Facebook, Periscope, you know, if anyone gets on it anymore, Instagram. Those are the channels. It's all about conversation domination so you make sure you are auto publishing to every single one of those platforms as frequently as you can because you'll dominate conversation, there's no other room for someone to even think about something else because you are literally dominating all conversation inside of it so that's why Russel publishes so freaking much. It's way more than a single person or follower or lover of ClickFunnels can ever consume and it's actually on purpose. Anyway, I'm probably preaching to the choir on a lot of stuff. I just, I love this topic because, it's a huge deal. It's a big deal. And it blows my freaking mind when somebody does not take publishing seriously because if they actually want to have a successful business, especially in the social media world, and they're not publishing, they're kidding themselves. I kind of scoff at it honestly, it's like okay. Like cool, this is just a wish for you then, it's not a real thing yet. You know what I mean like that's why I wanna, that's the kind of attitude I have towards people when they're like, "Well I don't know that I wanna be publishing," I was like, "Well, get ready to not make money then." You have to and anyway doesn't have to be crazy either, those are, a lot of those are extreme ways, the way I do it is I literally batch, I'll usually record three episodes at a time in my podcast of each one. I go send it, I get it all transcribed on one shot and I send it over to somebody and she turned it into a blog post and she uses this cool tool called SE Oppressor, which mimics Google algorithm so she can see how my blog will rank before we actually publish it, which is kind of cool. It fully works too, it's why Google Click Funnel my stuff starts popping up all over the place. It's totally worked. Just good, that was what I was going for. And then I give her a schedule to release it all on. That's kind of it. But because of... and how she's pushing it out it blasts to like 18 channels or something so. Anyway those are some long freaking Voxes man but anyway helpfully. Steve Larsen: It's Steven holy crap you that, just pieced it together. You just straight pieced it together. So I've heard a lot of the stuff before but in snippets and in little bits and everything like that. What you just packaged in the, those two boxes, that was mind blowing ... I feel like I owe you lots of money for those two Voxes because that was nuts. I actually, I legitimately I think I'm gonna transcribe what you just said and dude straight up, I would, you should easily just make that a podcast, I wouldn't even change it. Dude thank you for seriously taking the time to answer that question. I was literally what I was looking for and to the depth that I needed it 'cause like I said there's a lot of the information that's been said before but you connected the dots to a lot of things as to how you repurpose the contents and then how you go about creating the content and then repurposing it and dude you're a freaking rock star. That was a lot I literally have to listen to 'em again. Thanks for listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Wanna get one of today's best internet sales funnels for free? Go to salesfunnelbroker.com/freefunnels to download your pre-build sales funnel today.

Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on everyone? This is Steve Larsen and you're listening to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. So here's the real mystery. How do real MLMers like us bleed and cheat, and only bug family members and friends? You want to grow a profitable home business? How do we recruit a players into our downlines and create extra incomes, and still have plenty of time for the rest of our lives? That's the blaring question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larsen, and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. Hi you guys doing? Super glad to be here. I feel like it's been a while since I've published. Really, it's only been a week, but super excited to be able to get this out. It is definitely cold here. We've had a lot of ... Anyway, it's been really, really chilly here in Boise Idaho. That's where we live right now. My wife and I are both from Denver. Now, it's funny because last year there was a ton of snow here comparative to how much they usually get, but compared to Denver, where my wife and I were from, it was nothing. Everyone was calling it snowmagedon, and all the stuff, and there's barely any inches of snow on the ground, and we're like ... Anyway. There was a five foot snow storm once growing up. Anyway, been all over the place. Been lots of fun. Well, as such, it's been very lively here in the Larsen home because I believe since it's been so cold, a little bit of wildlife has been trying to move in. So we've had some mice, which is totally disgusting, and I've never had to deal with that problem ever. It's been very lively with my little four year old and two year old, and we've been running around. Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm telling you this, but it's been fun, and I've enjoyed being able to go and just spend more time with the family. You know what I mean? I hope you guys do too. Hey, I wanted to touch on something here that I think is one of the major reasons why stereotypically MLMers have a hard time recruiting. Okay? Now, someone asked me this question yesterday actually. Asking, "How do I get my people ... How do I just even get like the base team, the core team, the team of people that I wish that I had to go run my MLM with me?" And I was thinking about the answer to that question, and I was thinking about how I've done it. Guys, just in the last week alone I've recruited 20 people. All through automated systems, or at least, so far right now, they're all on the phase where they've been automatically filtered. I should call it that, and they've applied to join my downline. I told you guys about that. that system that I have running, and it does amazingly well, and it's very, very exciting and I think it does so well because I always tell everyone in my downline when they join, to get all my systems because obviously I want them to be successful because of course, it makes me successful also. So why would I not? Right? It's gone really, really well. I've actually enjoyed going through just tons, I mean, awesome stuff with this team that I have, and it just ... Rock stars. I mean, guys the quality of individual, and I'm not comparing people ... I feel bad. Please don't think that I'm judging people at all, right? But there are certain times in a person's life where they're going to be better at business than others, right? If they have the actual time to focus on a business. If they want to do it, rather than me trying to convince them. If I have to convince somebody to join my downline, they're the wrong person already. Okay? Now, I was super sad, a person that I know, that I've come close with decided that they did not want to join, and I was like, "Gosh." I was actually hurt by that because I just have so much respect for this individual, and I was very, very sad about that actually, and I'm sure you guy's have all been there as well because I knew that that person would be successful with it, if they just wanted to be coachable or trainable with it. Gosh, it stung. It did sting. But if you have to convince somebody to join your downline, you shouldn't want them anyways. Okay? What are you going to do? Are you going to put a cattle prod behind their back the entire way, and force them to do all the things it takes? No. It takes a very motivated individual to be successful in anything, but especially in MLM. Anyway, interesting stuff, right? so I was thinking about this person's question. "Hey, how do I get these people, right? How do I find more awesome rock stars? How do I find rock stars?" And that's honestly ... I was really excited she asked that because it's the entire ... That's all that my chorus that's coming out in January, January fourth, that's the date. January fourth. That's all my course teaches. It's how do you find and recruit rock stars on autopilot? Right? How do you actually get those kinds of people to come to you? A lot of people treat the MLM game as if they're hunters. They track and they trap, and they ensnare, and they grab, and they hold, and they strangle, and they get people, and those are the actions that define what they do to go recruit people. That's the wrong way. You're not going to get ... you think you're really going to go get an A playing team like that? No. You have to flip the table. You got to flip the cards. It's a totally different game. It's not like you're playing the wrong hand, you're playing the wrong game. Okay? I mean, it's like anything else, right? It's all about becoming attractive. It's all about creating offers in a way that makes people come to you, right? What I really wanted to point out in this episode is that ... Okay, this is one of the biggest lessons I've learned. When I was sitting on my couch like four years ago now, almost four years now actually, almost exactly, I realized that I had been going about MLM all wrong, and that I was doing the hunting method. Right? I was a hunter, right? And I was hunting and I was saying ... I was tracking, and tracking, and ensnaring, and trying to ... What are the three magic phrases I can say to get somebody to join my downline at any time. That kind of garbage that you see all the time inside the ML Ministry from other educators and stuff. I think it's garbage. It's dumb. Are you kidding me? Are you really going to force somebody into success? It doesn't work. I mean, the amount of effort that's with it, it is not passive income. Oh, my gosh. It is not passive income. All right. 20 people recruited in the last week, and they're all for recruiting, doing crazy stuff also. That's nuts. That's nuts. I didn't beg any of them to join. They are motivate. They're fired up. They're killing it on their own. Why? How did that happen? It's part of what I realized when I was sitting on my couch, 2:00 AM in the morning four years ago. It was freezing. It was a winter time, and I was reading this ebook and I realized that I was doing it all wrong. Then I realized that I needed to create value, okay? I learned, and I don't remember if it was from what I was reading or what, but what I learned is that in some way shape or form you're going to purchase your customers. Okay? Understand that. You're going to buy them somehow, whether you're going to buy them through ads. So, some money or you're going to spend time creating relationships. Right? So, time or some other value piece that you put out there to get them to come to you. The time, value, or money. I mean, something like that. You're going to spend something in order to get attention. Okay? If you think that you're not going to, you're kidding yourself. So think through. Like, "Okay, how can I actually start being successful in this MLM game?" Right, and I'm excited to go through and teach you those kinds of things. That's exactly what I've created and put together, and I'm excited to show you what I've done in order to do that, and that's what the Secret MLM Hacks course is all about coming up, and I think I just spoke in a huge circle right there. But, I'm excited for you guys to go through that because it teaches ... Start thinking that with your MLM. Okay. What's my plan? Am I going to buy my customer? Meaning, am I going to spend money on ads? Whether it's on Facebook, or YouTube, or I don't know, wherever. Am I going to buy my customer through my time? Now, it's going to be hard, especially in the beginning phases of an MLM, to not spend time. Right? You should spend time mentoring, creating leaders, creating ... I'm not trying to ever take the networking out of the network marketing. Does that make sense? I'm not trying to take the personal touch out of this game. That's not how this works. It does require a little bit of personal finesse with each other. Obviously, you have to develop as an individual, which is trust for anything, so I don't have to point that out. Or am I going to put pieces of value out there. Now, I chose that third one. I chose number three. I want to put pieces of value out there that create relationships, so that people see what I can offer, and I don't have to spend so much time on the front end recruiting people. I can focus on training the ones that are actually joining. Does that make sense? That's how I struck ... I did that on purpose. I structured it in a way to do that. So what I did, is I went and I found the top people who were in the industry, and I found a lot of the content pieces that they had put out there, and I figured ... I was like, "Okay, I see what this guy's doing, but I actually think I could recreate that, and better." So that's what I did. I married up several different concepts and things like that from different gurus that were out there, and I re filmed it, and I put it out there for free, and the response was insane. I could not believe how many people were messaging me. the weirdest thing happened. I put it out there out on the open web for free, I was just trying to help solve problems, and then one day somebody messaged me and they said, "Hey, what's your downline? I just want to join it. If this is the kind of thing that you're doing." It was something like that. If that's the kind of stuff that you're doing or if that's the kind of systems you have or whatever. Like, I really want to be apart of it. And I was like, "What?" It took me back, but then that started going faster, and faster, and faster, and people started joining, and people started coming in like hotcakes and bringing their friends in because suddenly I was answering some big questions for them. That was my whole value ad. I was just trying to answer legitimate questions. I was trying to actually be very, very valuable. Stuff that they should have paid for, I was giving away for free. Right? That's one of the ways that I created the relationships with it. So that's all I wanted to say. When you think through your MLM, when you think through the business opportunity you have, ask yourself, what is my upline telling me to do right now? Are they trying to have me buy my customers through money? Do they want me to spend money on ads? Through my time, which is what most of them do, or by putting value out there that solve actual problems, which most of them don't teach that. Start thinking through, like ... and it's fine. If you want to do it some other ways, I'm not telling you not to do it, but I am telling you that there are other ways, and start thinking through what legitimate problems you can solve in the marketplace. What are those problems? What can you actually go solve? I'm not telling ... It does not have to take a lot of your time. You could actually just go and record little content pieces. I'm sure you have a phone. There's a mic feature on your phone most likely, right? There's probably a camera, and you flip that camera sideways, you answer some questions, start publishing, and putting stuff out there, pretty soon you're going to start finding like minded people who want to do what your doing. Who see the issues that you see. Who see the problems. I guarantee you it's the reason why you're still following me. What is this, episode 40, 41, something like that? You're still following me because you're resonating with the things that I'm talking about, right? You are literally walking through the very thing that I'm describing right now. Okay? I want you to think about how? How did Steve Larsen do that to me? What are the beliefs that I had ahead of time about his thing that I've realized are wrong? Hm? I want you to do that. I want you to start thinking through like, "Hey, what are the beliefs that people are having when I go and start talking to people about my opportunity?" Are they saying, "Oh, it's a scam." Or, "Oh, it's a pyramid scheme." Or, "Oh, that's a ..." whatever it is, those top concerns. Right? They're going to give you a lot of surface level concerns. It's your job to look a little bit deeper. Find the core, real reasons why they're saying what they're saying. Maybe they failed an MLM before. Maybe they wish they could be in it, and they just don't know what to say, or maybe they wish they could be in it, but they're afraid of how their family or friends will look at them. Right? Or maybe they want to be in one, they're looking for something. They just don't really understand what a comp plan really is, or how it works, or how they actually get paid, or how I'm going to make money? Whatever it is that you get passion about solving, solve it for free, put it out there, and I guarantee you ... Maybe I'm not allowed to guarantee, but ... Insert legal disclaimer here. But you're going to get people to come to you, and they're going to come and it's going to resonate with them, and they're going to say, "Oh, my gosh. Yes, thank you. I get it. I see what you're doing. What's your opportunity, right? And whoosh, Oh, my gosh. You just flipped the tables. Why?" Because you contributed to a relationship before asking for a sale. That's why. You got to do that. If you don't do it, if you don't contribute to a relationship before asking for the sale, that's like asking for someone to marry you on the very first date. Let alone maybe you didn't even go on a date, you're just walking up to strangers. You wouldn't do that. That's ridiculous. So how come we're not creating relationships before we're asking for sales? I understand it's one of the easiest reasons why. You can just go straight to friends and family because you have relationships with them already, but it's scary to do so. Again, not telling you not to do it, but if you feel confident that it's not going to mess anything up or be weird or whatever, okay, totally fine, but understand that you need to contribute to a relationship. You've got to solve problems. You've got to have a little bit of likeability or whatever it is. Sorry, likeability or whatever it is. Attractability somehow, or perhaps a little bit of attraction to you because what you're doing is you're developing trust with that individual through your content. Okay? If I have a hard time knowing what kind of episode I want to put out there, I don't publish. I want this to solve actual problems for you that you should be paying for. Okay? Whether or not you join my MLM, totally fine with that. This is not a pitch fest. I'm not here to talk about that, okay? I want purpose. If I even tell you the name of the one I'm in, it will kill the goose. So I'm never going to tell you the MLM I'm in. That's why it works so well because it follows rule number one, my rule number one, which is they come to me. Okay? Oh, my gosh. When you do that and when you teach your downline to do that, huge problems get resolved. Stereotypical to the industry kind of problems get resolved because now I'm not tracking and trapping, right? I'm attracting. I'm solving legitimate issues without ever asking for the sale. Now, some sales personnel will probably tell you that I'm being ridiculous. I get it. I know. You're right. I probably could be a little but more aggressive in certain areas with it, but I've learned over experience that I'd rather do it this way and get a little bit fewer recruits, but really high quality ones. Does that make sense? So I want you to start thinking through that. I want you to start thinking ... Because this is one of the biggest secrets to true duplication. If you can teach people how to do what I'm doing right now, which is what I teach my downline to do, it starts to actually duplicate for real because now they're going and solving other people's legitimate issues as well. And you know what? Let's say I get someone who's like, "Ah, Steven. I wish I had a podcast, but I just can't get myself to do it." You know how much ... Everyone talks about MLM, how it's business opportunity wrapped on a personal development course, right? MLM is a lot of personal development. Well, that's not just MLM. That's all business in general. I've had more personal development through the active entrepreneurship and business than any personal development course out there ever. Right? So I get excited when someone say, "Gah, Steven, I don't know if I can create lead gen stuff. Steven, I don't know if I can create X,Y,Z. Ah, I'm nervous about this or whatever." I get pumped about it because I know now what to work on with them. I know where to move with them. I see a person in action. I see a person with desire, okay? That's one of the biggest issues with old MLM models. You're trying to go get people to buy something who had no desire at all in the first place to do it. That was one of the reasons why I stopped doing door-to-door sales. It's not that it wasn't great. I was good at it. But I realized, wait a minute. I'm waking up every single day trying to convince people who were not planning to spend money to spend money. Who are not planning ... Not that it's not possible. I did it. I was good at it. I was a telemarketer too. I was really good at that, but instead I wanted to flip the switch. I wanted to be able to change the game. Where I could put stuff out, and start having them find me. Okay? Again, I know. I could probably be a little more aggressive and pull people and be like, "Hey, this is my thing and I'm going to close you," and I'm still solving problems, but I just ... It's not worth it to me. So I don't it that way, and whatever your MLM is start thinking through how you can do that, and how you can apply it to your thing. How you can apply it. What can you do to start flipping the tables? If you're having a hard time recruiting people, take what I'm going ... Okay. Please raise your hand right now and say, "Steven, I will be coachable for this next sentence." Okay? All right. Here it is. If you're having a hard time recruiting people, you're probably not valuable enough yet. Now, I don't mean as an individual. I don't mean as you as a person. I'm sure you're an amazing individual, and that's not what I'm ... I'm not saying that you're the bane of the existence of the planet. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm saying that you're not valuable enough yet. Meaning, you have not solved enough problems for another person or you've not created enough of a relationship, or you have not gone out and actually shown genuine interest in the other person, and they can tell that you're looking at them like a number. Okay? That's where the game will fail. Learn how to become valuable. That is worth more than any check that you could write yourself. Learn how to become valuable in the marketplace and it will serve you forever. Anyways, that's all I got for you guys. Okay? Anyway, I ... You buy your customers somehow. Don't expect not to. You won't get anybody. So somehow you buy leads, whether it's your time, your money, or your value, and figure out which one you want to do and then marry it. Get good at it. It's just like anything else. You'll suck at first, and that's fine. Just like anything else, and you'll get on the bike again, and you'll fall and you'll scrape your knee, and you'll get bloodied up a little bit as you do it, and that's fine. It's part of the journey, and it's part of the purification that comes with entrepreneurship, which is amazing. It is so fun. It's my favorite part of the whole thing. One of them anyway, but anyway, that's pretty much it. That's all I got for you. Figure out how you're actually going to buy, quote-unquote, buy your customers. Money, time, or value, and get to it. You will see how funny ... You'll know when you hit it because you'll have struck a pain point and people are going to come flooding to you. That's exactly when I knew that I had struck it directly on the pain points that people were feeling, and I knew that I could go help them. Anyways, that's it. All right, guys. Have a good one. Talk to you later. Bye. Hey, thanks for listening. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback for me. Do you have a question that you want answered live on the show? Go to secretmlmhacksradio.com to submit your question, and download your free MLM master's pack.

Steve Larsen: Hey, what's going on everyone? This is Steve Larson and you are listening to Secret MLM Hacks Radio. Before we get started I want to ask you the question, how often are you publishing?   Here's the real mystery. Every real MLM'ers like us, we didn't cheat and only bug family members and friends, want to grow a profitable home business, how do we recoup A players into our down lines and create extra incomes and still have plenty of the time for the rest of our lives? That's the blaring question and this podcast will give you the answer. My name is Steve Larson and welcome to Secret MLM Hacks Radio.   Now, before anyone messages me, are you saying that I should publish a book? Are you saying I should publish articles, like that's ... It's up to you, but that's kind of yes and kind of no. The answer to that, I guess. There was a guy, long time ago who I started following, and he started getting me into selling things online. This is before I rejoined and MLM. This is before ... This is way back in the day for me. This is probably five years ago.   I started listening to his stuff, and he was great. He was really, really good. I think it was him, I actually can't remember if it was or not. We'll say it was him. Anyway, he had this great podcast. His name was Pat Flynn. I went, and I would start listening to Pat Flynn. It was kind of cool because I think he, I'm pretty sure it was him. He started talking about the power of publishing. He started talking about how it changed his life. I was like, "Oh that's cool. That's really great. I never in my life will ever do that." That seemed like such a hassle, oh my gosh.   The stress, the responsibility of regularly making something like a podcast, especially there's no way ever. I'm not ever going to do that. I'm never gonna produce podcast video, or a YouTube video. I'm never gonna produce ... I was just like totally anti all that. Never gonna do a blog.   Well, to this date you guys, I can tell you this is not my first podcast show. I have a second podcast show. It has a lot of followers. I've done, I think over 100 blog posts now. I'm close to 100 episodes in my other podcast show. I have well over almost 350 YouTube videos. They are all over the place. I had to step back and ask myself, why did that change? How did that change? I was at this conference this one time, this guy stood back, and he was like, "Hey, look here's the deal. You need to become somewhat of an expert in your space. Whatever it is, whether it's MLM or Ecommerce or whatever it is ... Info Products, you've got to be somewhat of an expert in your space. One of the easiest ways to get better at your own craft and to become an expert and to have authority ...   I've been publishing now regularly, actively for almost over a year now, which is awesome. I can't, I am blown away at what it's done for my life. Totally blown away. I was sitting in this conference and this guy was like, "Look, you got to publish regularly." And he's like, "Start a podcast, do something. Do whatever." I was like, "Duh!" And I was actively fighting the thought of trying to do that. If there's one regret, if there's one thing I could tell myself, my five years ago self, it would be to start publishing regularly five years ago. Not one year ago.   I can't tell you how much it's changed my life. I have spoken on stages. I've done tons of interviews, massive revenue from it. I can't, the amount of authority that it's brought. Not that I'm trying to be all authoritative, but you guys know what I mean? My messaging, my voice, finding my voice, finding what I'm trying to tell the world has become so much more clear in the last year since I've been publishing regularly.   It's brought people to me. It's brought opportunities to me rather than me trying to seek them out all the time. Regular publishing has changed my life. When I started planning the launch of Secret MLM Hacks, the actual product that'll be coming out soon, when I started actually planning the product itself, and actually putting it through together, I just about went and just launched it. I was about to pull the trigger although it wasn't quite ready yet. I was planning it all out and I was like, "You know what? What if I was to take a group of people, you guys through my thoughts and why I'm building things the way I am." My internet sales funnels have generated millions of dollars for a lot of big people.   If I was to tell you who, you would recognize a lot of the names. Again, not toot my own horn, not trying to ... It's just 'cause I want you to know where I'm coming from and that a lot of the things I'm telling you, I hope that you go and you apply it to your own MLM. Right? That's been the topic of this podcast. That's what I'm doing right now. I want you guys to follow that. I want you guys to be a part of that. I want you to come join the Secret MLM Hacks Facebook page, the community that we have over there. It's fantastic.   I want you to be able to go and get excited about publishing yourself, because publishing has changed my life. I want you to know where I am right now in the launch. I went through and when I launched this podcast, it was brought to my attention that I have not actually talked about this with you guys yet and that I should. My outro to my podcast talks about going to SecretMLMHacksRadio.com. It says, "Go to SecretMLMHacksRadio.com and get your free thing," and it's tons of value. I should be charging for it, which is the secret to providing free things. They got to be things that you would charge for. They got to be that good.   I send you through a sales funnel. It's a podcast funnel. I'm not asking for any kind of money, but it's still the equivalent of a funnel. There's a first page and I say, "Hey could I get your contact info so I can send you," basically the videos and the course every day. Then the second page says, "Hey if you want to be able to go and actually download these and use them for your entire down line as just a free training, just go ahead and click the share button right here and the free download will unlock for you. You'll get emailed for it. By the way, if you got any questions that you want actually placed on the actual podcast episodes, go ahead and ask them right here." You know what I mean?   There's value that's going out there. Well, what happens is you get added to this cool list and then there's these cool emails that go out that automatically give you the course over the next few days. That's what I'm calling a podcast funnel. The reason that I build it is because this podcast has a means to an end. I'm documenting the launch of Secret MLM Hacks and what I'm doing is I'm trying to teach everybody some of the tactics that I've been using that have been working great. I get really nervous about saying any kind of numbers for my own recruiting and revenue and things like that. I just get nervous about like ... You always hear people talking about, I always get nervous that people are gonna go like, "Well I should be making that too," so that's the reason I don't bring it all up. Just know that it's a lot and it's doing great, and it's been a lot of fun. We've gone on cruises and I've bought toys, and we've paid off parts of the house. It's been great! Whatever that dollar amount means to you, just I guess you can assign that to it.   This podcasting funnel, I just barely launched it. I just barely put it all together. There's cool tracking pixels on it. there's cool ... The reasons I'm telling you all this is because I want you to be able to go do the same. As a gift, I would love to be able to give you this podcast funnel. It's built on a software called Click Funnels. What ends up happening is I can give you one link and it will literally in a free trial account give you the exact podcast funnel. It will like spitting you, pixel for pixel, no joke. The whole thing, the exact thing that I built off, you go to SecretMLMHacksRadio.com, you actually literally can see all that stuff there, but then it can actually pull in the...   Now, I did clone that funnel and give you a version where it took my videos out and stuff like that. Obviously, if it's my content, i didn't give that part to you. If you ... Guys, regular publishing has changed my life. I want you to be able to do the same thing in your own MLM. Whatever it is, if it's podcasting, if it's videos, if it's ... I know a lot of people what they'll do is they'll Facebook live every single day. Whatever it is, choose it and just get regular about it. You know, there's a group that I coach how to become millionaires. It's really cool. It's an awesome group. We got a ton of people in it, a couple hundred people and it's awesome. I know I'm being really vague, it's 'cause I'm trying to not like cross promote and stuff like that. I'm being a little bit vague on purpose, okay I get it.   There was somebody in there who's asking, "Hey, what platform should I go and begin to regularly publish on?" I was telling them all on there like, "Guys, look it has completely changed my life to just regularly publish. We got all these cool tools. We live in the 21st century for crying out loud. All these awesome things out there that will help you get your message out there and get noticed."   Anyways, in your MLM, just choose the platform that you want to publish on. Whatever platform you spend the most time on. I listen to a ton of podcasts and I am on YouTube like crazy. I am a YouTube junkie. Facebook and I, we've become better friends, but I am a huge into YouTube and podcasts, so that's where I do it because I like it. There's some nuances with creating content. That's why I say go do it to a platform that you like because there's some nuances you gotta actually love it. You gotta actually, discipline behind it. Anyway, that's all I'm saying. That's really the main message of this actual podcast episode is that you guys regular publishing, I beg you to publish regularly. I beg you to get out there and be constantly communicating.   A lot of you guys know that I'm in the Army right, or I was. Very first thing, is this is super cliché but it's super true. The very first thing you do when you're attacking and enemy is you take out their communication. If you want your down line to die, stop talking to them. If you want your down line to totally fail quit communicating your vision. Quit communicating your goals quit communicating all the promos that your up line's doing. Quit communicating ... I think you get it.     Even if that's the only group that you're constantly publishing to ... I'm not saying, I publish this out to the world because I've been doing it for a little while. I'm really excited for a lot of people to hear this. If all you do is simply communicate on a daily, regular basis through a cool, Facebook lives, YouTube, whatever it is, regularly publishing will do things for you that you cannot even imagine. It will open doors that you didn't were yours to open.   I think I just landed another speaking gig. They're still setting it up, but they just approached me about it and I'm super stoked about it. Those would not have happened if I had not already been publishing like crazy. Every time I click publish on this podcast, it gets syndicated, it goes and it gets published out to YouTube and it goes to Twitter, and it goes to Google Play and iHeart Radio. It goes all over the place.   My other podcast show, it goes all over. It goes to my blog, it goes to ... It goes all over. What's so crazy is I hate Twitter but it gets pushed there automatically. I hate ... I don't really like Instagram. I don't really like ... I don't understand Tumblr, I don't understand ... Those aren't platforms that I like to be on and that's fine. I know that I have audiences there. If you really, actually want to get your message out there, you've got to be publishing regularly. You'll start to get a following. Just like you're following me right now. You'll get a following. You'll start to create your own culture. You'll create your own voice. You will find your voice. You'll find the message, you'll get more clear on what you're actually offering and how to sell your product. Your MLM as an opportunity or as the product or service.   Anyway, that's all I've got for you guys. That's all ... All I'm telling you is as far as where I am in the launch period right now is I had already previously launched my podcast funnel but I just hadn't actually told you guys about it 'cause I just forgot about it. It's doing insanely well. We got a ton of people in the free course right taking it, and they're loving it, which is great. The people are [inaudible 00:12:55] their down lines.   Anyways, I guess this is a shameless plug. That wasn't planning, this is what ... Go get the free Masters ... It's called the MLM Masters Pack. It's five videos that I shot. I went and I looked at what the top MLM'ers were actually doing in MLM as a whole. I went and I saw the courses they were doing. I saw these videos on all these things that they were doing, all the free training. I went and I transcribed them by hand. Then I went and I changed them just enough. I wasn't copying, I wasn't plagiarizing but I added in a ton of stuff about sales funnels and how to use that. Anyway, I packaged it up in these cool videos and it's totally yours for free, which is awesome if you go there.   Anyways guys, hopefully that helps. Hopefully I changed some of the paradigm for you on why you should publish regularly and what it'll actually do for your MLM team, your down line and growing your team and the longevity it will bring to you. It's insane, super cool. All right guys, I will talk to you later. See you on the next episode, bye.   Hey, thanks for listening. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Would you like me to teach your own down line five simple MLM recruiting tips for free? If so, go to download your free MLM Masters Pack by subscribing to this podcast at SecretMLMHacksRadio.com.

Click above to listen in iTunes... THE thing I changed that actually started making me money... Hey, what's going on everyone. This is Steve Larsen and you are listening to a absolutely very special Sales Funnel Radio because today is actually my birthday. What? Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales funnels. Now, here's your host, Steve Larsen Hey, you guys. What's going on? Hey, so it's my birthday. I am actually not home right now. It's been an absolutely insane week and I super bad ... I had this written down. There's a podcast that's been in my head for a while. It's been like oh, my gosh. This is such cool value. I've got to share this, but it's been so intense that I've not been able to do it. I'm so sorry. To recap, it was about a week ago, right. Today's Saturday, April 22nd, it's my birthday. What? Super cool. About a week ago last Friday, so a week ago Friday, we actually started building the Expert Secrets book funnel. Now, we started that a little bit before that. We knew what it was, but we really didn't dive into it until two days before the thing was supposed to launch. It was supposed to launch on April 18th and it did, but we didn't start until two days before. I remember sitting there, I was like, "Dude, Russell, what is the funnel? What am I supposed to be building for you?" You know what I mean? He was trying to figure that out and we were putting the offer together and stuff like that and it was high, very high pressure, very high pressure, very high stress. It's cool. It's funny. That used to really freak me out, but what I've learned is that the more I embrace the fact that it might suck a little bit or things are going to be hard or whatever, I actually grow so much from it that I actually embrace those hard things now. I don't know, but Russell totally knows what I'm doing every time, but whenever he's like, "Dude, it's going to be so crazy," I always go, "Cool, bring it on. Make it hard, coach. Make it hard, coach." He doesn't ever say anything back. I don't think he knows what I'm talking about, but it's basically goes back to some things I learned where it's like basically my reactions determine my experience. If I immediately can ... If I sit around and just like "Oh, I'm so sad." Like, "It's going to be so hard, eh." That's what most people do. If I can just turn around instead and say, "Hey, you know what, I'm just going to rock it, then it's going to be awesome." Anyway, back to the story. We get there and it's 9 AM and I work the whole time. I get home Friday night, a week ago, Friday night before the book launch and Russell's like, "Dude, I'm so sorry, man, but is there any way you can get this piece of custom coding done before Monday starts?" I was like, "Oh, I just want a break. I'm so tired. I'm so tired." I was a little bit annoyed at first like, "Oh, I get it, I get it," but the pace that we move at, I don't think you guys realize, is exhausting. It is exhausting, but it's super awesome too at the same time, right. It's like it is ... Somebody asked me recently and I think you guys saw on Facebook too someone asked me like, "What's it like sitting next to Russell and building his funnels out?" I was like, "Imagine you're flying the fastest fighter jet on the planet. It's got all the bells and whistles. You got all these missiles sticking on the side and you're going as fast as the thing will actually let you go," right. Mock 4, something ridiculously fast, way past the speed of sound. Then all of a sudden, not that you do on this in a plane, but you roll down the window so to speak and stick your head out like ahhh. That's what it's like. It's so fast paced and I'm constantly digesting as much information as I possibly can just so that I can keep up with what he's doing. It's awesome. It's more value than I ever got anywhere else for anything. I get to sit and pick his brain constantly, which is such a treat. I was tired. It was Friday night. I was tired. I wanted to spend time with my wife. It was the first week in our new house and we're still setting things up and we're making it our own home and I was like, "Oh." I decided I'd stay up super late. I stayed up 'til 3 AM two nights in a row doing two things because there's so many things going on right now, not just the book funnel, right. Number one, what I did is, and I'm just telling you guys the story just so you know what ... I know I'm sporadic with these podcasts, but whatever. Number one, I was trying to get some custom coding done for this funnel, stuff that Click Funnels doesn't do out of the box, but also allows you to do, which is cool, which makes Click Funnel so unique. Really, really cool. I was getting the stuff done, but at the same time, I was trying to finish my slides for the presentation at Ad Con, which I just did a few hours ago and it went so, so, so well. Oh, my gosh, it went so well, but I was trying to finish, right, the whole presentation, get it all together. It was like 74 slides and I was teaching about e-commerce funnels and successful funnel strategies in the e-commerce areas, which my gosh, it went so well. So excited. I love speaking on stage. By the way, that's my shameless plug if any of you guys want me to come do that. I don't charge anything, be a lot of fun. Anyway, so I was juggling all these things going on. I was trying to put the actual house together and build furniture and put things ... It's been hectic. I have barely slept. I have such a headache right now while making this. I can't even tell you. I actually got a little bit worried. I was like, "I'm on so much caffeine right now." That's okay. It's super, super awesome at the same time though... We go through and I finish his custom code piece, and Monday comes along so a week, it's about what, five days ago. Monday comes along and I had finished slides. I sent them over for the presentation and everything to Dan Henry. Monday comes along and I was just thinking to myself like I've built over 160 sales funnels in the last year and I was looking at what we had and I was like, "There is no way that this funnel is ready, even nearly ready for the amount of traffic that we're going to send to this thing the next day." I was like, "Oh, my gosh." I sent a message to my wife and I was like, "Babe, I'm so sorry, but I seriously doubt I'm going to be home tonight and maybe hardly even at all tomorrow." As long as I let her know in the future, as long as I let her know, then she's usually fine. She knew. I was like, "Hey, the book launch is coming up. I'm sure it's going to be sporadic. It might be here. It might be not." As long as I let her know, she's fine with that. Russell cued me in on that tip on how to do it, every once in a while it happens. We went and we start working, and I start doing some more of this custom code thing. We're using Jamie Smith's expertise and I was doing stuff on my own as well and we were putting pieces together and I was putting the other membership area and it looked so good. Oh, if you guys got the Expert Secret book yet, go get it for sure. I'm actually going toss my link if you're okay with that down in the description here just because might as well, right. We were pushing. We were pushing, and it's so funny because Russell's always, "Dude, I'm so sorry, man. I know you never used to really drink caffeine until you worked for me," and I was like, "That's how it works though." I had so much caffeine. I was shaking, but I had to stay up... I had to get this stuff done and I was going 'til 3 AM. About 3 AM, everyone was on the floor and we're like, "Oh, so tired," and I was like, "There's more to do, there's more to do. We're trying to launch this thing at 2 PM tomorrow. There's more. I can't stop. I can't." Russell's like, "Bro, we're going to make better decisions if we're rested." He's like, "We got to go home." I was like, "Gah, like he's right. Dang it." I got most of the things done, custom coded a whole bunch of stuff, and it went really, really well. I was so tired, so tired. The next day, we left at 3 AM and I was back at work at 9 and slammed a whole bunch of caffeine again and just cranked and cranked and cranked. We actually almost hit the deadline. We were only 9 minutes launching. We were supposed to launch at 2 PM Mountain Standard Time and it was actually 2:09 when we made the final call out and it actually started going. Guys, the success has been insane. If you've not had the Expert Secrets Book, you should probably get it. This isn't like a pitch like, "Oh, it's 'cause I work there." No. I've read his book over five times now. I have one of the original spiral bound copies. I have the original files on my computer as I was vetting it back and forth with him during inception of the concepts of this book. I've been a part of this book pretty heavily and it's super, super fun. I've really enjoyed it, hashing out some of these main topics and ideas and core concepts behind why this book is so good. I was really, really shocked and honored to find out that he put me in the acknowledgements and it's super awesome. It's the last paragraph in the acknowledgements. I was so excited, I couldn't believe it. He goes, "The last one I want to thank Stephen Larsen for being a constant sounding board during this project. Without your excitement for this book, it would never have been completed." I was like, "What? Oh, my gosh. Man, that's so awesome. That's so cool." I got in Russell freaking Brunson's book. It's crazy. In the first 24 hours, we sold 10,000 copies, 10,000 copies. Now by comparison, I want you to know that DotCom Secrets sold about 80,000 total-ish and last I checked ... That was the first day and last I checked, we about surpassed 20,000 copies total. It's insane, absolutely insane. The amount of pressure in the market right now is insane for this book and we could feel it. People were going crazy for it and really, really, it's been such a great experience. Anyway, the whole purpose of this episode is that I had this huge ... I already knew it, but it was just a big confirmation, right. It is not about your main product. Let me try and say that it again. The sale is not about the main product. Expert Secrets is a absolutely insane book. It is so awesome, right. The book launches and we put it out there, but we didn't just sell the book, right. You got to wrap it. You got to wrap your main service, your main business, your main product. If you can do that, your income will go through the roof. Are you guys following when I'm saying this? Give a little nod with me as I'm doing this. The reason I'm bringing this up is because so we built this book funnel and there's other funnels that we want to go through and build and put together, but we didn't start with, "Okay, what's the funnel look like? What does the automation sequence look like?" That's what I feel like 90% of people do and it's wrong. That's not how you start. The way that you start is by sitting back and going, "What's the coolest offer on the planet?" I have this core thing. Let's take the book, for example, right, the Expert Secrets book. I have this core book. I have this core thing. If I try and sell it directly, there's a hundred other people that are out there that are doing what you're doing, at least a hundred, right, a thousand, thousand. I should've started with thousands, thousands of other people. The easiest way for you to actually get out there and separate yourself from competition is to make an offer out of your product. An offer can encompass many products, all right, and his book actually goes through this. Actually, I have my fingers right now in the book. I'm holding the places for it. I'm looking at a page ... Wow, that's a coincidence. I'm looking at page 79 and 179. Oh, that's kind of cool. What I wanted to show you guys and tell you guys about real quick is the absolute ... I want you guys to know that we use this. Here's some examples. Yesterday. Wait, what is today? Today's Saturday. It's Friday. Yeah, so it was yesterday. I'm losing track of my days like crazy. Something's going too fast. Yesterday, we were like, "Okay, this book funnel, it's killing it. It's awesome." There's a few tweaks we had to make. I totally forgot to stick a rule inside of our action [inaudible 12:24] sequences and what it is it made people get the "Hey, looks like you didn't purchase," emails when they did purchase and I was like, "Oh crap, sorry, dude, 3,000 people totally got that." That was my bad. Super late at night. I take full responsibility to that, but it's all right. We make mistakes, too. Anyway, so right afterwards, we're like, "Okay, what's this thing we're trying ... " We know there's this area where people are wanting to get more training in and it's this area that Russell said that ... It's really super fun, man. It's my own program that I'm doing with Russell, kind of co-hosting it. It's so cool. I get to be on stage with Russell Brunson teaching his stuff. It's so awesome, you guys. There's this place that we're trying to get people on. I'm not going to reveal anymore about what it is than that, but what we did is we literally spent three hours brainstorming the offer, brainstorming the positioning, and brainstorming the actual message, right. People are like, "Wait a second, Stephen, you already have Click Funnels. You already have the message." Like well, yeah, for that product, but how does this, right ... You guys are going to learn about this in the book. There's a thing called opportunity switches, which is when there's a brand new thing and the thing called opportunity stacks. Remember when we came up with those two concepts. He and I were sitting side by side and we had this huge piece of paper in front of us, it's like oversized butcher paper, and we were going through different offer styles and I was taking out a lot of my notes from previous people I had learned from. He was taking a lot of notes he had previously learned from and side by side, we were figuring this out and we realized that it boils down to two different offer styles. One is an opportunity switch and the other's an opportunity stack. What Russell and I along with Dave Woodward 14:06, the three of us, we started brainstorming was an opportunity stack. There's an area that people are not very good at that we're trying to put an offer in, right, or a product. We've realized, it was two or three days ago, we realized, "Dang it, that doesn't sell very well on its own. It's a great product, but it doesn't sell. How can we make it an offer?" Think about that. In your marketing, think about that with your sales funnel, that's what a sales funnel is. A sales funnel lets you string out the offer inside of the actual funnel, right, so you don't hit them with all these things right at once, depends if it's an e-commerce product or a webinar or whatever, that changes, but let's say it's an e-commerce product, you're not going to hit them with this big, "Hey, buy this huge kit all at once." No. First you offer this. Then you offer that. Then you offer this. Then you offer that, right. It's complementary the whole way through. Guys, think about the offer itself. That's what I realized when I was in college that I was missing. I told you guys I was biking home one day and I was so depressed. I was like, "Gosh, why isn't this working? I am learning so much. I'm learning like crazy." This is probably three years ago. I was like, "Why am I not making money? I feel like I know more than a lot of these other people, but I'm not actually making the money that they are. I'm making way less." It's like, "What is it? Why am I missing this?" I realized that I was not asking for people's credit cards as often as I should be, right. I was not and it was really painful that I wasn't. I realized that I was very good at making funnels look good, but I was not yet good at creating offers. That's what sales is. You're pitching an offer, which doesn't necessarily mean a product or a service, right. That's singular. Offer is plural. There's many things that make up an offer. You guys understand what I'm saying? I hope that you guys understand what I'm saying because it's so key. If you can nail the offer, the funnel's cake. It's so easy, right. All right, let's look at this real quick. All right, this is on the opportunity switch chapter. That's page 79. Russell's talking about how you can run an ask campaign and you just ask your market what do they want, right? What they do is they give you all this data and you create a master class out of it, right. Let's say that you guys tell me the top six things that you guys struggle with, with building funnels, which I've done with you by the way and I do for a reason. It was an ask campaign and I got tons of response and I know exactly what you guys struggle with. I did that for my podcast content so I know what I can help you guys with. I did it for a product that I was thinking about doing. I don't know. I might not, but just to understand who's listening to this podcast better and I know what those things are, right. If I was to go create a product about that, an info product, that's one product... That's not an offer... An offer and a product are not the same thing... Let's fast-forward then to page 179 when he's talking about what's called ... He's talking about the offer basically. He calls it the stack slide, but there's all these little elements that get brought into it at that time, tons of them. You're going to get the six-week master class. You know what I mean? You're going to get the ... Does that make sense? It's all the pieces that make it up, the six-week master class and you could see the whole list on page 192. You can get the six-month enterprise account level of Click Funnels, right. You're going to get Instant Traffic Hacks. This is all making up what is called the offer. Inception Secrets, you're going to get the Soap and Seinfeld secrets. You'll get unlimited funnels to your account, first 50 people only, right. That is an offer. You put it all together. I feel like I'm explaining it, but maybe I'm not. I don't know. What we were doing yesterday was we were creating an offer. What's funny is that this presentation I just did at Ad Con, I'm still here. I'm in the hotel room right now. Crazy tired. My head hurts. My throat hurts from talking so much. There's a huge line of people who wanted to take pictures, which is really fun. That was really fun. Even in my presentation where I wasn't pitching anything, I still was using an offer structure, right. What I did is I literally sat down and I wrote down all the things that I knew, right. These are Facebook ad agency owners, right. Dan wanted me to talk about e-commerce. I was like, "Whoa, that's a little bit weird," but I'm so grateful that he did. What I did is I sat down and I thought through all the knee-jerk reactions people were going to have to me telling them that they need to create an e-com funnel. I was like, "What are they going to say?" Do this to your own people too, right. What are they going to say? They're going to say things like, "I don't have an e-commerce product. They're too hard to make. I don't want to ship things out to people. I don't like spending ads on small little things like that. I wish it was bigger," right, tons of stuff. I made a huge list of I knew of the false beliefs that they would have about my topic. Then what I did is I orchestrated my topic to directly address the false beliefs that they were having. I swear if I put a pitch at the end of that, people would've bought. All right. I got offered $60,000 worth of business right after that presentation today, 60 grand at least. If I had actually tried to close, I know I would've made a lot of money. People were on their seats... It was freaking awesome... Gosh, it went so good... I'm not trying to pat my own back, but I know that the process that I'm telling you right now where you write out the false beliefs and you make products that directly address those false beliefs so that they're no longer false beliefs, guess where I got all that? All right, that's in the book, Expert Secrets. It's not so much about making webinars. This is how to sell. This book taught me how to make it. I already knew how to, but this is yeah, really, really awesome stuff you guys. Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. This started as a long podcast and it's a bit tactile, but I hope that you guys are taking the time to sit back and go, "What is my offer? What am I actually offering people?" If you're sitting back and it's these onesies, twosies product, I know I have that on my personal site. I know that I needed to change it. I just have not had the time to do it. You know what I mean? I know that you guys are in that place as well, some of you guys as well. Some of you guys, just don't be lazy about it. Think through. You don't need to come up with that. I'm doing this right now with my dad and his own webinar and he just launched his podcast and it's going great and he's interviewing these industry leaders in the financial area and financial investing and it's going awesome. We're about to launch his webinar and the thing that I'm doing with him right now is offer creation. He's like, "Maybe we should go focus on the webinar a little more, a little bit more on the funnel." I was like, "No, no, it's not time. We have not yet nailed the offer." Just today, I was reviewing the offer... I was reviewing all the things going in there. I think it directly addresses the things that people are going to have the knee-jerk reactions about, I think. I'm pretty sure that it's going to. We went through and the thing we got to do next is we'll probably run an ask campaign and make sure, but the products themselves is what helps change people's false beliefs using what you'll learn in here, using what is called the epiphany bridge. That's what I'm doing. I'm helping my dad map out all the stories. I'm helping him map out all just some tactile pieces that he's got to teach on the webinar, but I'm helping him map out the stories, all the products that will directly help correct the false beliefs and that's it. You guys start doing that. Don't offer just onesies, twosies. How come people will sell ... This works even on e-commerce. Amazon products, why will people buy a pack of three socks versus a pack of one? Because it's an offer. It's an offer... That may not apply directly to sock selling, but that's the basic concept though and that's what I want you guys to do and start putting together. Know that it's all about offer structure and the way that you present that offer inside of the funnel. The funnel gets really easy afterwards because then you have the first product that goes for the first page in the funnel that helps you sell the first thing. The second page helps you sell the second thing. You know what I mean? You're literally offering upsales throughout and by the end, they've gotten the whole offer. Funnels give one offer... Whenever you have more than one offer inside of a funnel, usually the conversions drop because they have not actually had time to digest the first idea. Anyway, I hope that makes sense guys. Get the book. I'm going to drop the link down there. I'll drop my affiliate link for sure and I made a little deal on a email that I dropped out there and there's quite a few guys that actually took up on it. It was really, really fun. Basically, if you get the Expert Secrets book through my affiliate link, I would love to just do a 10-minute overview of your funnel live. I would love to do it live. It's been a while since I've done one of my funnel feast episodes where I ... If you go to funnelfeast.com, I go through and I build live, but it would be fun to have a little critiquing session. That'd be really awesome. If you guys are okay with me going through your funnel live, just send me all the pages. That's my little thank you. What I'm thinking about doing is I'll stack up probably 10 or 15 people and just 10 minutes each just go through and show what I would do just right off the bat to change in the funnel, things like that. Why do you think I can do that? I'm not an expert in real estate. I'm not an expert in stocks. I'm not an expert ... It's because it's sales. Sales is all of that. That's the blanket that I'm talking about here. Anyways, guys, so sorry for talking so long, but go get the book. I'll post the link in my blog and also toss it inside of the description as well in here. If you want me to do that, just reach out to me on my Facebook page and I am happy to gothrough a little critique of your funnel. That'd be really, really fun. All right, guys, talk to you later. Bye. Thanks for listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Want to get one of today's best internet sales funnel for free? Go to salesfunnelbroker.com/freefunnels to download your prebuilt sales funnel today. Book Link:  https://expertsecrets.com/freebook?cf_affiliate_id=52291&affiliate_id=52291&aff_sub=&aff_sub2=&nopopup=false&noautoplay=false&cookiepreview=false  

Click above to listen in iTunes... Dan went from not being able to pay his power bill, to WELL past $200k in a few short months. But it wasn't overnight. Here's how he did it. I'll personally be buy his product. Click on the link in the blog post to check out his offer… ATTEND DAN's WEBINAR HERE:  and get my WP Theme Free... (email me) Steve Larsen: Hey, everyone. This is Steve Larsen, and you're listening to a very special Sales Funnel Radio. Speaker 2: Welcome to Sales Funnel Radio where you'll learn marketing strategies to grow your online business using today's best internet sales funnels. Now, here's your host, Steve Larsen. Steve Larsen: All right, everyone here, I've got a really unique episode here. This is fascinating stuff. Now, I've interviewed a lot of people in this podcast, and I've gone through, and we've thought we've got some great advice from great people in the past. Today's no different though, but I've really cool spin... I want to introduce you to a guy I've just come to know just in the last couple days, actually, named Dan Henry who is crushing it in the Facebook ad area. He's going to tell you a little more about it, but just killing it. The thing that grabbed my attention right off the bat is I was going through Facebook. I see this thing that says, "From pizza boy to $200,000 in a couple of months." I was like, "What the heck?" You know what I mean? That's always going to grab your attention. There was a striped screenshot, and I was like, "Crap, this is real." I was like, "Who is this kid?" I started going through, and a really fascinating story. With that, I just want to introduce everyone to Dan Henry. Dan, how are you doing, man? Dan Henry: Hey, how's it going? It's super early, but how's it going, Steve? Steve Larsen: It's going good, yes. Just so we know, Dan was like, "I became an entrepreneur so I don't have to get up early in the morning." Dan Henry: Yes, you're darn right. I became an entrepreneur, especially an online entrepreneur, so I can sleep in. That's my whole thing... Steve Larsen: That's awesome. Dan Henry: How are you doing this morning? Steve Larsen: I'm doing awesome. Like you took, Dan, a whole bunch of caffeine, and I am loving it. It's just starting to hit. Hey, I really want to know, and so does everyone else. I asked a few questions to people on the Sales Funnel Broker secret unknown hacks, all different pages. I'm like, "Hey, I'm about to interview this awesome guy. What do you guys want to know?" I got a huge list of questions from people, actually. Dan Henry: Wow. Steve Larsen: I mean number one, people want to know, literally, I think some are like, "How does a pizza boy" ... Tell us about your story. How does a pizza boy go to 200 grand? We'd love to know how it happened. Dan Henry: Well, I'll go through it. 200 grand, it's getting crazy at this point. I did 32 yesterday. I'm at 9,045 so far today. Steve Larsen: Wow, you're passed 200, obviously. Dan Henry: Oh, way passed 200. I've been doing over a hundred thousand a month for the past three months. It's getting wild now. I'll probably do close to 200 just this month. Excuse me. It's getting nuts. Let me see if I can run through this from beginning to end as cleanly and quickly as possible. Basically, back in 2009, I was a pizza boy. I was just your standard douche bag. Steve Larsen: That does not reflect all pizza boys, by the way. Just want to put that disclaimer in there. Dan Henry: It reflects me. I saw these articles and these Business Insider things and all of these stuff about these guys that were making stupid money, you know? Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: Just 18-year old kids making a million dollars. I was just like, "What is this?" It was this online marketing thing, and I was like, "I got to learn this." I spent two years just going nuts. Going nuts and trying to learn it... Steve Larsen: How were you trying to learn it? Dan Henry: The normal ways: podcast, buying crappy digital marketing products. That whole thing. Steve Larsen: Yes, yes. It's like the gauntlet we all run through, you know what I mean? Dan Henry: Yes. A lot of the early days with the Digital Point Forums and the Warrior Forums and all that. That whole thing. I didn't really try anything until 2011, and when I did, it was a blog. I was doing the whole SEO affiliate marketing blog thing. It was not how to make money. I know everybody starts with how to make money even though they haven't made a dime, which I don't freaking understand. Mine was electronic cigarettes, okay? Steve Larsen: Okay. Dan Henry: I went from $145 my first month in commissions to $30,000 a month my 14th month, so just over a year. I was making 30 grand a month in a year. I was doing really, really well. Life was great. I thought I was on top of the world, and then, the whole SEO crash happened. All that income just went poof, gone. It was just gone... Excuse me... Everything I worked for was just gone in a flash. I had a bunch of money in the bank because I had made that for that long of a time, and so I went, and I bought a night club. I took my skills offline because I was bitter, a little bit, about it. I was like, "Well, I want to start a real business." I started this night club, and I remodeled it. That's when I first started to learn Facebook ads because I had to bring business into my night club. It, in just over a year, I flipped the night club for a $300,000 profit. Now, you would think that that's all grand and well, but unfortunately, due to some really bad investments, me, investing in some software products I was trying to do, not paying taxes for three years like an idiot. I wound up literally broke at the end of it, okay? This was actually last year that I was still broke. Last year, I could not keep my lights on, almost. I had just gotten married to my wife who is a lawyer in Turkey, but does not have her ... she's working on it now to get her law degree here. She had to get a job, and this woman is a lawyer... She had to get a job at a Turkish restaurant to help me pay the electric. It was embarrassing for her, and it was embarrassing for me because I felt responsible that I made her do that. I'm sitting here, trying to keep afloat. I started another blog, and I was making about six grand a month doing that, but it wasn't consistent. I was barely keeping afloat. That was bad. Then, I started. People wanted to know how I made money back then and all these. People had always asked me, "How did you make this money to buy this night club, to do this, to do that?" I thought about coaching, but I didn't really get into it. I started doing Facebook ads more. I started taking on clients, okay? This is when it turned around... I started taking on local clients, real estate, all that stuff. In about a month, I scaled to $10,000 a month in clients, okay? First month. Steve Larsen: You were running ads for them, for their business? Dan Henry: Yes, just running ads for them, okay, and getting them great results. What really launched me was I had this real estate agent. Not real estate agent... Condo development in Texas. I spent $441 in ads. They ended up selling $900,000 worth of condos in a week. Then, I ended up getting interviewed on TV about it... Steve Larsen: I saw your picture all over the place. I was like, "Cool, this guy's been on TV, too." Dan Henry: Yes, yes. I've been on TV a lot. I've been on Business Insider twice. I'm hopefully working on getting on the Steve Harvey Show. We've been going back and forth with the producer for a while. Hopefully, I can get on there. In case Steve is listening, hey. I'm on the list. Steve Larsen: We'll send it straight to him. It says, "Re: Steve, you better ... From one Steve to another." Dan Henry: Yes, so anyway, so things started looking better. I had clients. Then, I started doing a little bit of coaching for Facebook ads, for online marketing. I did try to put out a blogging course, but unfortunately, most bloggers are freaking lazy. They don't take it seriously... They think it's some sort of hobby, not a real business. I got out of that real quick because it weren't the people I wanted to be dealing with. This went on for a few months, and I got back on my feet, and I was making crazy money with clients. Then, people obviously started asking me, "Well, how did you do this? How did you quickly make money with these clients," and all these. They were asking me these stuff. I decided to put out a little group coaching program. It was only seven people. This was where my course started happening... I don't understand this whole, "Let's build a course and sell it." You got to know that your course works. You might know how to do something, but you got to know that you can teach it to somebody. Steve Larsen: Right. It's totally a different skill, for sure. Dan Henry: Right, so I took seven people, and I worked with them personally, more of a group coaching than a course. I tweaked things. I figured out what was helping them and whatnot and what they really got in-tuned with and where their roadblocks were. I changed the material. I launched again to about 15 people. Then, I revised it. I did all these little launches until I had it down. I got three guys right now who were doing nothing, zero dollars. Now, they're making over $10,000 a month. One of them is a doofy 19-yearold kid. The other is a slightly less doofy 22-year old kid. The other one is in his 30's. He's got a family. Steve Larsen: No doof? Dan Henry: No, he's still a doof. Steve Larsen: No, can you just point out, re-quote what you just said. Okay, for the audience, what Dan just said is amazing because we tell people to do this all the time. Someone, the other day, just asked me like, "How do I get started? How do I do this?" I keep saying how to do it, and we keep saying how to do it. Go get results first. It's so much about that. Oh, man. You can't just go jump out, and just start if you like. Dan Henry: Listen, Steve, if nobody's going to listen, they're not... They're just going to be like, "Yes, okay." They're going to nod their head, and they're going to go, and they're drinking their drink, their overpriced latte. They're not going to do what you're telling them to do, okay? That's what's going to happen. 99% of the people listening to this right now are going to not do it. Steve Larsen: Startup Stock Photo Yes. I worked for free for 10 months for one company, just to get them sweet results. When they were making 60 grand every e-mail drop, then, I was like, "Okay, now you guys can start paying me." I took that story, and I went, and I sold it. That's how I got going in this industry... Same thing as you, anyways. Totally awesome, yes. Results first, everybody, before you get paid. Dan Henry: Yes, absolutely. Steve Larsen: All right. Continue, sorry. Dan Henry: Yes, so basically, now I had results. I decided to do an actual launch. I did an actual launch with an e-mail sequence. No webinar, just an e-mail sequence. I made $15,000 that month. That was fine. I was like, "Okay, that's cool," but I was a little disappointed. Then, I started implementing more of Russell's stuff from DotCom Secrets. I digest everybody's stuff... My favorite mixture right now is if you took Russell Brunson and put him in a bath tub with Ryan Lavesque, maybe sprinkled a little Derek Harper on. Not too much, but too much is way too strong, and just grinding them all up. Steve Larsen: All right. That's a great picture. Dan Henry: I got that whole little mixture going on. I started really getting into webinars. I took a webinar that I was working on, and I used the perfect webinar script. Steve Larsen: Okay. It's amazing. Dan Henry: Really, it was the same content. I just used Russell's format which really helps... I put that all together, and I launched. I used all the same strategies I taught with Facebook ads for my launch, obviously because duh, that's ... That month, I ended up doing $104,000. Steve Larsen: Holy cow. Was that just three months ago, you were talking about? Dan Henry: Yes, that was three months ago. Steve Larsen: That's amazing, okay. Dan Henry: Yes. Here's the funny part. I didn't pay for any ads. Steve Larsen: Really? Dan Henry: No. You know why? Because as soon as you opted in for my webinar, I didn't take you to a thank you page. I didn't take you to a, "Hey, here, you registered for the webinar." I took you to an up sell. It's a 37-dollar product... The way I framed it was, "Hey." We'll all just tell you what it was. It was called Pixel Hero. Basically, you sign up for my webinar. What I did was the webinar was just ... It is a super long name. It was called, "How I made $10,000 my first month running Facebook ads for clients, and how you can too, even if you don't have results to show first," okay? Steve Larsen: Sure. Dan Henry: I taught a method. It's funny because it's all revolving around the "Get results first" method, even though it says, "Even if you don't have results first." It's a very interesting method. I do that webinar, and then, on the thank you page, it was called Pixel Hero. I was like, "Hey, does the Facebook Pixel confuse you? If it does, you might want to check this product out because it really enhanced." This is the key. "It will really enhance what you learn on the webinar." I noticed that when I said, "This thing that's only $37 will enhance what you're going to learn on the free webinar," it could have earned at 40%. Steve Larsen: Dude, holy crap. Dan Henry: It can earn at 40%. Steve Larsen: Now, was it even your product? Is it just an affiliate thing that you put in? Dan Henry: No, I don't do that crap. No, it was my product. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. Dan Henry: Yes, I put it together in a night. It was slides and all. It's like Russell's stuff. You get slides and all that stuff that I screen share. One of the bonuses was how to get webinar registrations for under a dollar. That really helped. I hit it from all different ways. I did $9,000 in Pixel Hero sales before I even got on my webinar... Steve Larsen: That's amazing. I mean you literally created a self-liquidating offer for webinars, which is oh, man, that's cool. Dan Henry: Yes, yes. You know what I stole from Russell a little bit? Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: I saw him do this video once where he had a whiteboard, and he had the price, but he had paper taped up to the wall. Steve Larsen: Dude, go ahead, yes. Dan Henry: Yes, he did the whole thing, and the paper's there. I'm thinking, "Dude, just shut up, and rip off the paper, for crying out loud." I'm thinking, "Wait a minute." Steve Larsen: That's why he does it. Dan Henry: Yes, exactly. I was like, "Well, if I was that emotionally invested to that darn paper getting ripped off ... By the way, the only reason I'm saying darn is because I'm on your podcast. I would be saying all kinds of different things normally... Steve Larsen: I appreciate it. Dan Henry: I did it, and it works well. I ripped it off, and boom. It worked really, really well. Then, I re-targeted people, and I was like, "Hey, this is your last chance, or the price is going up." I would spend $3, and make a $37 sale. I've done probably $40,000 in that offer. Steve Larsen: Just for that front-end offer? Dan Henry: Yes. Steve Larsen: I mean if you can get someone to go through, and they buy a 37-dollar product, the likelihood that someone actually shows up is huge, watches the thing, goes through. Their engagement's high... Dan Henry: Oh, yes. Steve Larsen: Awesome. Dan Henry: It's a tripwire. Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: Let me just tell you, man. I've seen these things where Russell or anybody, you guys, you're talking about, "Oh, this funnel makes us $100,000 a day. Oh, this funnel makes us $30,000 a day." Steve Larsen: Which is true. Dan Henry: Yes, I know. Oh, I know it's true... When you're watching that, you're like, "Oh, man." Some people probably are like, "That's not even possible." Then, some people are like me. I know it's possible. I know it. I just got to do it. Now that I'm doing it, honestly, it's been a crazy ride for me. I remember looking at ... I don't know if it's still big now, but you know the income reports? Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: Who is the guy? It was Pat Flynn. Steve Larsen: Pat Flynn, yes. Dan Henry: Yes, and the EOI on Fire, so I started looking at those. I remember, I saw one with Pat Flynn, and it said, "Oh, I made 120 in an income report. 120 grand." I'm thinking to my self, "If I could only make 120 grand in a month, that would be amazing." Now, I'm making it. This week- Steve Larsen: You're matching that. Dan Henry: This week, I have done almost $80,000 this week. Steve Larsen: Yes. You woke up, and there was already almost 10 grand in your bank. Dan Henry: Yes, yes. Steve Larsen: That's amazing, man. Dan Henry: This week. That's on very little ads spent... Now, it's a little bit higher this week because of the whole Black Friday thing, but when I went evergreen, which I'll get into in a minute, now, I'm up to at least five to $7,000 a day solid. Now, it's getting crazy... I've now have had 10, 12,000-dollar days. Yesterday, it was 32,000, but that was cyber Monday. Friday was 16,000. Anyway, I did my live webinar, and then, I did it again a month later. I made about the same amount a month later. Then, when I turned into evergreen, and I used your On The Hour webinar. There's that because I saw the ... What was it? Was it the Certified Partner one that you guys did? Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: I was like, "That's awesome. I want to do that." I studied it, and I funnel-hacked you, basically. I recreated it, and then, I spent all this time trying to figure out how to do it. Then, you guys end up releasing the code for it the next day. I was so, so angry. I was like, "Ahh." I just deleted everything I did and used your code. I did the On The Hour thing. I've just been hit, hit, man. Now, I've just opened my affiliate program because my webinar converts like great. Like great. Oh, I don't have any coffee or anything. My webinar converts great. I just opened my affiliate program. One of my students made $800 yesterday on it. Everything's coming together, man. It's just amazing that last year, I could barely keep my electric on. Now, this is all happening. Not only that, but I've got student results out of the Yin Yang. I think that's what really sells my stuff. I don't even go into big long copy. I just constantly push. Every e-mail I send out has a new case study from a student. I don't push, really, my results so much. I mean I do, but mostly, my student results. I always do headlines for what these student results are. They're all across the board. I'll push out, like for instance, a web designer spent $100. She landed her first 6,000-dollar client within $100. I got guys running it as an agency where they got chiropractors. They're making 10 grand a month... I got a bunch of those guys, real estate guys doing well. I know you know Jesse Coft. She is killing it. Within two weeks of taking the course, she had a killer webinar going. She made thousands to $10,000 for a masseuse place. There was somebody else. I don't remember, but I just got all these variety of case studies, and I just push them out. What I do is every single time somebody gets a result, I have my assistant, Stephanie, get them on Skype or get them on Hangouts for a five-minute success call. I record it, and I immediately push it out or put it in my sequence. I just put it on my sales page, and I just push, push, push, push, push the results because that is honestly what I think matters. I think if you have results, you don't have to be awesome at sales copy, awesome at e-mail sequences or any of that because at the end of the day, you have the results. You have the results, so all that other crap is just secondary, I think... Steve Larsen: No, it's so true because I did door-to-door sales for two summers, right? How many of those tactics I actually use what I do now? None. What actually sells the stuff that I do and actually sells when I build funnels is I say, "Hey, I'm just built for the next president of Alberta, Canada." You know what I mean? It's helping him in his campaign. "Hey." You can point back to all these different things. It's so much more powerful because now, you sell without actually selling. You know what I mean? You're actually pushing things without actually cramming down their throat. It becomes very much a story-based automatically. It's just so much more powerful than a pitch that's more generic. Hey, I wanted to ask, so I'm actually drawing while you talk your funnel and all the different pieces. Now, so you go from a registration page ... Dan Henry: Do you want me to go through it? You want me to just go through the whole thing real quick? Steve Larsen: That would be awesome. Then, you said some crazy stuff. You've got little, little tiny ism's that you're doing, as far as capturing stories, getting them on Skype. Stuff like that. Those are things that are huge impacts, like you said. Those are not normal for people to be pulling off. I'd love to hear those kinds of things as well. Dan Henry: All right. Hey, I'll go through the whole thing. All right, so on my website, danhenry.org, I have a cheat sheet. It's called Seven Proven Steps to Creating, running and Profiting from Facebook Ads. It's a PDF cheat sheet. Once you go on there, and you opt in, whether it be from a cold ad or Google or whatever, you opt in. You get this cheat sheet... Now, this is where it gets interesting. Once you get the cheat sheet, you get forwarded to a thank you page where I invite you to my free Facebook group called Superhero Entrepreneurs. Now, this is important because I used to try to be super professional. It wasn't working for me. I just blended in with everybody else. When I started being myself, that's when it blew up. I'm basically the Kevin Smith of all my marketing on my extremely juvenile humor. It costs a lot. When I bring them to the thank you page for my group, I'm wearing a bunny hat ears, and I say, "Thanks for joining." I tell them about my group. I say, "Let me invite you into the group," and I say my spam policy. This is how I pre-frame people right away to get used to how I am. I say, "Listen, if you spam in my group, we have a policy. If you spam in my group, I will send you goat balls. My admins will send you pictures of goat balls." Everybody in the group has my permission to PM you with pictures of goat balls. They get used to my crazy incorrect way. Now, listen, seriously, if you go join Superhero Entrepreneurs right now, and you spam, you self-promote, you will get sent tons of goat balls. What happens is we don't even have to ban people. They leave because they get just bombarded with pictures of goat balls, okay? Steve Larsen: What the heck? That's awesome, man. Dan Henry: Yes. Now, people, and here's the funny thing. People enjoy this because I'm making stupid money, but I'm being a total jackass. I'm letting them know that it's possible. You can be your self. I'm the type of guy that would send you a picture of goat balls if you spam my group. That's me. You know what? That's what I'm going to do. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. Dan Henry: I take them to that page. I warm them up to my personality. I get them in my Facebook group, which is key. Then, after that, they get sent a five-day e-mail sequence which is your soap opera sequence, basically. That sequence tells them my story, indoctrinates them and pushes to my On The Hour webinar. It plays every hour. They register for the webinar. They get forwarded to the webinar room when it's time. Now, they get an e-mail that offers Pixel Hero, and they also get re-targeted for Pixel Hero. That helps my ad cost and all that. Steve Larsen: They go right after registration though. There's a interstitial page though where they go to Pixel Hero, right, before confirmation page? Dan Henry: Yes. No, the Pixel Hero only gets offered in the funnel steps when I did it live... When I switched it to evergreen, I just send an e-mail because I didn't want to. What happens if they opt in five minutes before it plays? What are they going to do? Watch the sales video? Then, I mean I guess I could split test it, but it's working, obviously, great right now. Basically, they get forwarded to a page. On this thank you page is just a five-minute video where I teach them how to get easy ROI clients. This warms them up as well. Steve Larsen: This is before the webinar even starts? Dan Henry: Yes. I send them an e-mail with pre-free videos as well. They can just watch it at their leisure. Basically, the e-mail they get right away is, "Hey, here's your" ... I basically funnel-hacked your certification thing. I looked at the e-mail Russell sent, and he was like, "No matter what time you opt in," he says, "It's starting now." I was like, "Oh, that's interesting." I did that. I also said, "By the way, here's three free videos you could watch anytime. I will help supplement the webinar." I do that... Steve Larsen: Those are your indoctrination videos, prior to coming on. Okay. Dan Henry: Yes, I did those videos when I did the live webinar. I might change these stuff a little bit, tweak it. I'm trying to fit what I did live into this evergreen thing because it's a little different. They opt in, and it plays every hour. The webinar plays every hour, so it's a little bit different. Steve Larsen: If you don't mind, how many e-mails are they actually getting then, when they opt in? I mean that could be a concern for some people. They're like, "Oh," but it probably doesn't matter. Dan Henry: Oh, they're fine. They'll live. Steve Larsen: Right, okay. Dan Henry: They get two e-mails as soon as they opt in. The fist e-mail is the whole, "Here's your link to the webinar." Then, the second e-mail is, "Do you have trouble with the Facebook Pixel?" That is a very short e-mail. It's two sentences, and it basically says, "If you have trouble with the Facebook Pixel, just click here." That's it, and it takes them to my OTO page. They also get re-targeted as well for that. It's no big deal if they don't read the e-mail. I do tons of sales with re-targeting... Then, they watch the webinar. They get offered the product, and they have seven days to sign up. They get e-mails, and the e-mail sequence at that point is literally just results, results, results, results, results, results, results. I just go nuts. Then, I re-target people... Oh, this is another interesting thing I should include. When people opt into the cheat sheet, for five days, they get targeted with all my TV interviews, podcasts I've been on. They see. Basically, they opt in- Steve Larsen: Social proof like crazy. Dan Henry: Yes, social proof. Yes. It's like my credibility... I call it my credibility campaign. Then, when they opt into the webinar, now, they're getting re-targeted with just one of nine case studies from my students, okay? I just keep funneling them back to that. If they haven't bought already, by the time day seven hits, they've only got that much time to buy. They've already been hit with the cheat sheet, soap opera sequence, the TV interviews I did, the speeches I've done, all of that. Then, they got hit with the webinar. Then, they got hit with the follow-ups and the case studies. They're getting hit. I'm following them around Facebook with re-targeting on the student results and all of these. Steve Larsen: Wow. Dan Henry: At this point, then, if they don't buy, they get forwarded to a waiting list. I actually find I do a ton of sales from the waiting list. Even though you basically have all this time to sign up, like I just opened for Black Friday and Cyber Monday to everybody on the waiting list, just to people on the waiting list and people on my group. Like I said, I did $16,000 on Friday, and I did $32,000 yesterday... Steve Larsen: It's from a waiting ... I've heard a lot of strategies with that waiting list. They'll go at them. If someone didn't buy on the webinar, you just toss them. I mean do you have them tucked in for waiting list? Dan Henry: You toss them on over to the waiting list. Yes, they have to opt in for it. Steve Larsen: How do you get them to do that? Dan Henry: Once the timer runs out, and the offer expires ... Oh, I use Deadline Funnel, by the way. Steve Larsen: Okay, cool. Dan Henry: Once that times out, no matter where they are, whether it's a sales pitch or whatever, they get forwarded to the, "Hey, sorry. You missed it. Jump on the waiting list," okay? Steve Larsen: Wow. Dan Henry: When every once in a while, I'll find a reason to open it up like Black Friday and Cyber Monday. I sent an e-mail out to that waiting list, and they just buy like crazy. One time, I sent an e-mail, and I was just like, "Listen, I know you missed the course. You know you want to get it. Just freaking do it, okay? Click here." I'd be paid 10 grand. I mean I swear to God. I don't know what it is. People don't read their e-mail or something. I get e-mails all the time... "Please let me in. Please let me in. Please let me in." I'm thinking, "You had seven days, dude. What is taking so" ... It revolves around a key thing here. It's that there's two very important points here. Number one, I could do this funnel completely different. See, everybody gets so ... "Oh, give me your funnel. Give me your funnel. Give me your funnel. Can I have a copy of your funnel?" None of that means anything if what you put in the funnel sucks, okay? Steve Larsen: Yes. It literally is the copy. It's the way you do it that matters, yes. Dan Henry: Right, so when you say you funnel hack someone, yes, you can funnel hack the process, but it's only going to work if whatever you're offering is good. If it sucks, and you don't have results, people aren't going to buy just because they went through a certain amount of funnel steps. I mean that's just ridiculous, because everybody's sick of people being full of crap these days. Everybody's full of crap. 99.9, they make $5 online. Now, they want to go create a course, you know? Steve Larsen: Right, mm-hmm (affirmative). Dan Henry: When I created my course, I did it in stages. I refined it. I redid it. I redid it. I made sure that it worked for people without me, holding their hand. You're going to still have people, like every once in a while, I'll get somebody who's like, "The course is not working for me." I'll be like, "Well, run me through what's going on." They'll run me through it... Steve Larsen: Yes, what are you doing? Dan Henry: Obviously, they're doing it completely different. I'm like, "Why are you doing this? This is not what I said to do." "Well, I just thought." I'm like, "Oh, you thought? You thought nothing. You're not doing it the right way. Do it the right way, and you'll get results." Then, they do it the right way. Then, they get results... Then, they're like, "Oh, it worked." I'm like, "Yes, no crap." Listen, I have refined this. I have taken ... Put it this way. I'm really close with one of ... I'm going to call him out right now. This is funny. One of my students, his name is Tanner, okay? This kid is 19 years old. Now, have you ever seen those videos on YouTube where they go and ask people who the Vice President is? They don't know. Steve Larsen: Yes, yes. Dan Henry: This is one of those dudes, okay? Steve Larsen: Okay, sounds cool. Dan Henry: He would totally be one of those guys. The kid is making $10,000 a month running a Facebook ad agency. I didn't give him any private coaching except the course. Steve Larsen: It's just from your course. Dan Henry: Right. Steve Larsen: From your content, yes. Dan Henry: Right. He took the basic version. It's like I refined it so that literally, somebody like, and I love him. He knows I love him, but one of those dudes can make that much money, that's what I was going for. Forget funnels. Forget webinars. Let me get this down first, okay? Steve Larsen: Right. Dan Henry: Let me get this to where people are going to get results. I did it in two things because my course goes over, "How to run ads for your self or for clients," and actually didn't even start for clients at first. I just noticed everybody wanted to do it for clients, so I added that aspect. It works for both, and I got it to where, for instance, this girl, Gretchen, she is a high-end web designer. She didn't know nothing about Facebook ads. She spent her first hundred dollars and landed a 6,000-dollar client. Boom. Got her. Tanner, who's making 10 grand a month... All these people, and once I had that, I knew I had something. When I launched big, I started getting, literally, every other day, I get a message from Stephanie. She's like, "We got another success call. We got another success call." I don't even know who these people are. They sign up. They take the course. They get results. They make money. That was the whole plan: get results first. I know everybody's listening right there. "Oh, let me get his funnel. Let me funnel hack him." It's like, "No, dude. You could screw the whole funnel." Actually, on that launch that I made, my second launch to where I did another hundred grand, 500 people didn't get the webinar registration link because of the API. Something happened with "Get Response," and the API wasn't talking to quick funnels. It was their issue. I know people have had issues with that. Here's a little tip. Don't use the API for anything... Use HTML parsing. It will work every time. If you use API, you could risk losing e-mails. Steve Larsen: Just so the audience know, you're talking about the ... If you're using a third party auto-responder, and you're inside ClickFunnels, open that top right spot, It says, "e-mail." If you click right there, and you drop in HTML and click pars, it grabs straight from the code, right from your third party auto-responder, or you can do it through an API. Sometimes, there's issues with that... Dan Henry: Exactly, and I didn't know that. 500 people didn't get my registration e-mail, so I had to re-target the crap out of people and be like, "Hey, here's the replay." I probably could have done more that second month, but whatever. I think we talked about that. I think I messaged you about that... Steve Larsen: I think you did, yes. Dan Henry: Yes, because I made 40 grand the week I launched it, and the first time I launched it, I made 45 grand the first day. When I first did my first webinar, it was literally my first, where I did the perfect webinar script, that first day, I did $45,000. Steve Larsen: Now, could you walk us through what the offer actually is, or do you want to say that for the webinar? Totally fine. Dan Henry: No, no. I don't care. If people are interested, they're going to watch the webinar. They'll find it. Basically, here was the secret that I did on the webinar. I know people are going to start copying me, and they're going to try to copy me, but whatever. I'm not worried. You're not going to do this good... Steve Larsen: That's a challenge to you. Now, you got to do better. It's like your pride's on the line. Dan Henry: I compete with my students all the time. It's funny. Actually, real quick side note. I had a student launch her course, and she did $53,000 in a week. That week, I had done 20,000. I got all pissed over that cost. Damn it. I got all peed off, cheated on, darn it. Steve Larsen: Hey, pissed isn't a swear word, is it? I hope not. Dan Henry: Isn't it? Well, good. Then, I got pissed off. I'm like, "I can't let her beat me." Then, I went out and made a hundred grand. Anyway, basically, I do the three secrets. Now, here's the key. There is a way to get Facebook ad clients. People don't realize how easy Facebook ads are if you ignore the noise. There's just so much noise out there. Oh my God, the split testing and the buttons and the objectives and the acronyms. It's maddening. Dude, it has nothing to do with any of that. It has to do with psychology. My ads, they're not all crazy. They're so simple. If you run ads for local businesses, doctors, lawyers, gyms, chiropractors, dentists, these are very easy. I could teach you in an afternoon, how to kill it for these type of businesses, all right? It's not hard. Now, for coaches and courses, that's different. I cover all that in my course, but for the webinar, I show you how to get results for those type of clients. Then, I show you how to get those type of clients right away. My first secret, and this is key, this is going to be huge. This is a huge value bomb right here. Secret number one, I show you how to get clients, literally, within an hour. Sometimes, 20 minutes, five minutes. I've had several people do it, and they got clients before the webinar was over. It's like really one of my best things, and I throw it out there on the webinar. What happens is people start doing this technique, and I'll save the technique for the webinar, but people start doing this technique. I say, "Go ahead and do it." Then, I start going through the rest of the webinar... By the time I get to the pitch, people's inboxes are blowing up with people wanting them to run ads for them, okay? Now, they got to buy the course because now, they're getting clients, right? They got to know how to run Facebook ads, or they got to know how to run better. They got to know how to improve their agency or whatever. They got to know how to get more clients. They got to know how to run whatever. I show them that on there. The secret, too. I show them how to get results for those clients. I give them everything they need. I've had several people. Several people, not buy my course and get results from that webinar. I'm okay with that. They're making money. They get clients... For the people that want to take it to the next level, I offer them the course... The course covers everything. It covers no only running for clients, running for yourself, whether you're a coach, a consultant, an online course. You want to run ads for restaurants. You want to ad runs for night clubs, chiropractors, doctors, lawyers, real estate, it's all in there. It's called, "Facebook Ads for Entrepreneurs." It's a very comprehensive course. It's huge, tons of bonuses. I mean it's a very big course. It's huge... Steve Larsen: Dude, that's awesome. By the way, Dan just is Zeigarnik effect of the crap, out of all of us, by the way. If you don't know what that is, it's when you start saying something, but then not finish it. It sounds like you all need to go watch that webinar. You said there's a technique that makes ... So you make people do things on the webinar to follow on with you, and they're getting results in the middle of the webinar. By the time the pitch happens, you are the obvious answer to them continuing... Dan Henry: Yes, yes, yes. Steve Larsen: Genius, my friend. That is amazing. Dan Henry: Thank you, thank you. Now, I don't tell people. I don't say, "Hey, go get a real estate client. Go get an online coach." Some people try it, and I even tell them not to do it. I show them how to get clients that are, what I call, "Easy ROI clients." These clients are super. You cannot possibly screw up a Facebook ad for these clients. I give them a funnel, too. I give them a free funnel. I give them everything. I give them the funnel. I give them everything they need. You cannot screw it up. Where people screw up is they watch the webinar... Then, they go, and they try to take on clients outside of that scope. Then, they have a little bit of trouble, but then, they buy the course, and they learn how to do it for those clients as well. Because it's a free webinar, I say, "Listen, I'm going to teach you how to get easy clients, how to get results for easy clients. If you want your hand held or you want to learn how to get results for different industries, for your self or for your coach or harder industries, or you just want to learn how to excel quicker, here's the course." That really, really works. I know some people out there are like, "Well, you shouldn't run Facebook ads if you don't know what you're doing." Yes, I totally agree, but like I said, for a select few types of clients ... Steve Larsen: Certain area, right. Dan Henry: Yes, it's stupid easy. It is because I have had people take the course, get a client and get stupid results. For instance, I've had several instances. Okay, I'll give you an example. I'll give you a perfect example. Cory Ellerbroek, this guy, and this almost makes me cry, this story. Cory Ellerbroek, he's a chiropractor in Texas. Cory was about to shut down his practice. He had very little business. He was literally about to close his doors. He had been following me for awhile. He bought my course on his last credit card. It was like his last Hail, Mary. Within the first day of him, running an ad, he got five or six new patients on nothing, like $40 ad spend. I have a case study. I don't remember. Let me see if I can find the numbers. Yes, I'll find the numbers. I'll go to my quick funnels. I'll tell you exact numbers. Yes, let me tell you the exact because I want to be accurate here. Steve Larsen: I know everyone listening now is going to be just frothing at the mouth to go to danhenry.org. Dan Henry: Okay. Yes, well, do that. Steve Larsen: Get your credit card out, and get it ready. Dan Henry: All right, so here's the numbers, okay? Steve Larsen: Sounds good, yes. Dan Henry: I'll give you the numbers right now. He spent $90, and he got 12 new patients. Steve Larsen: 12? Oh, man. Dan Henry: Okay, paying clients. This is somebody who is brand new, all right? Don't tell me ... See, all these people. I'm going to be honest right now. I'm going to piss off a lot of people. Honestly, I see them post in the groups and all of these. "Oh, well listen, to be good at Facebook ads, you got to test, test, test. You got to split test. You got to do this. You got to do that." I don't even split test my ads. No, I don't split test my ads, okay? Steve Larsen: That's huge. Dan Henry: Yes. I don't. I don't need to because now, I do split test ... I split test audiences. I don't split test ads, all right, because here's my thing. I want to create a perfect sequence for my perfect customer. Instead of trying to force and split test that ad and that copy to convince people, I want to create something that if somebody would opt into that, they'd be an easy sell. Instead of split testing the ad, I split test people. I find the people that engage with that ad the best. That's why I get such crazy ROI. I do not split test ads. I never have. Now, even still to this day, I don't split test ads. Steve Larsen: You want the ad to only let people in. You're not trying to convince clicks. Dan Henry: Yes. Let that sink in. Let that sink in for a second. I've got flamed even on the ClickFunnels go, "You don't split test ads? Oh, but I got them all up at arms." It's like, "Well, guess what? I'm spending two grand a month in ads, and I'm making over 100, so obviously" ... Steve Larsen: Right, something's working. Dan Henry: Something's working. I mean I've got these crazy ROIs. It's because of that, I don't split test ads. See, to me, I'm going to throw all this crap against the wall and see what sticks because I didn't take the time to know my customer. I go crazy into customer research, crazy. My first step like sometimes, when I get into a new ad or industry, I got take people out to lunch. I survey them. I ask very specific questions, which I cover in my course. I figure out exactly the pain points, the struggles, the roadblocks. I interject that into a script that I have for Facebook ads, okay? It's a formula. Steve Larsen: Fascinating. Dan Henry: It's Russell's. It's like Russell's scripts, but it requires the answers from the survey to plug in. All my ads convert immediately because of this. I do not split test. I just don't because I don't want to split test. I want to find the right customer. I don't want to convince people to buy my stuff. I want to find people already ready to buy my stuff, okay? Then, sales become easy. Cory, he spent $90. He has 12 new patients. Now, he's actually thinking of expanding his practice. He is too busy to even talk to me. This guy was going to shut down his chiropractic practice. Now, he's thinking about opening up a second location. He's starting to consult with other chiropractors and do ads for them. He's killing it, all right? Killing it. I actually got to send you the screen shot. It's a screen shot. Maybe you could put it on your ... Steve Larsen: Yes, yes, yes. I'll put it in the blog. Dan Henry: Yes. It's literally me, talking to him, and I said something like, "Hey, Cory. Can you help out with this thread in the student group about chiropractors." He's like, "I don't have time. I'm so slammed." Then, he told me the story of the credit card and how he was about to close practice. I was like, "What?" The thing is, for certain clients, I can teach you how to get crazy results for them in a couple hours. Yes, now, if you want to watch it on my course, you want to do something like that. I can teach you that, too. That's in the course, but it's going to be more in two hours, okay? Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: If you follow a strategy where you focus on psychology, instead of all this crazy button-clicking inside the dashboard, you can get crazy results. I don't look at cost per click. I don't look at click-through rate. All those analytics are turned off in my dashboard. They're all turned off, okay? I swear. I know everybody's right now, freaking out. Steve Larsen: Yes, that's huge. Dan Henry: Some people hate me. Listen, I don't split test. I don't look at cost per click. Don't give a crap what my cost per click is, what my click-through rate is because the way that I do it, I focus solely on conversion in sales. Also, here's something. I'll give you teaser. Do you know how everybody freaks out about targeting? Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: Did you know that in some cases, you don't even need to target? Steve Larsen: No, I actually had no idea that you could do that. Dan Henry: Yes, you could actually let Facebook do the work for you, and nobody knows that. Nobody actually realizes that... There are some campaigns I run for local businesses. I don't do any targeting. I got no interest targeting. Steve Larsen: That's pretty big. That's a huge deal. Dan Henry: Yes, listen, listen. If it's popular, it's wrong. Have you ever heard of that? Steve Larsen: Yes. Dan Henry: Okay. I've got at least 50 students that have taken every Facebook ads course under the sun. Hey always tell me, "Holy crap, this is so different, and it works so much better," because I take a psychological approach to Facebook ads. I don't take a button-clicking techie approach... I take a psychological real down-to-earth approach. These people are in their kitchen. They're driving. They're walking down the aisle in the mall, and they see your ad. You're pulling them out of their life. You got to do something. You got to hit them in their brain in order to pull them out of their life and into your world. Steve Larsen: Goat balls. Dan Henry: Yes, goat balls, exactly, pattern interrupt. Yes, hopefully, I've covered a good amount of- Steve Larsen: Man, I can't even believe it. This is fantastic. You're right. This is a complete different approach. It just goes to show. Funnel hacking is awesome, and it sits in this certain realm, you know what I mean? You're given this whole other avenue where you can go and actually be ... You're a pioneer, I feel like, in the Facebook ads. Not a lot of people do this. I don't know anyone else who does this type of strategy. This is awesome. Dan Henry: Well, it's something I learned over time, working with clients because I did the same thing, man. I looked at all the other trainings out there, what everybody says. I just hate this mentality. "Oh, let's tweak, tweak, tweak, test, test, test, test." Yes, there could be a little bit of testing, but here's the thing. You will take all the 99% of all that tweaking and testing out of the equation if you do the damn customer research and what your customer is thinking. You can skip all that because when you split test, that's all you're really doing. You're split testing things, and you're split tests are literally telling you what's connecting with your customer more and more and more. If you just figure that out from the beginning, like I'm on the big Ask Ryan Levesque. My method of customer research is actually similar to the method from Ryan Levesque in Ask. Steve Larsen: It's in the book, yes. Dan Henry: Right, but it's on steroids. Think like Arnold Schwarzenegger, 1960's like, "This is my customer research." Yes, this is totally different, but it's based on the same principles, but it's very specific questions. What I do in my course is when you ask the questions, you just take the popular answers, and you plug them into the script. You plug them into the Facebook ad script, and it just converts. Steve Larsen: Okay, that's amazing. I mean you've certainly taken us through. Dan Henry: I'm really trying to hit. I'm really trying to make sure I get to speak at the next Funnel Hacking Live. Steve Larsen: I will put in a plug. We just sold out yesterday, actually, on that. Yes, yes. Dan Henry: Yes, I had a bunch of people tell me, "I want to go." I have this horrible fear of flying, so I don't really go to the conferences a lot, but if I'm going to get on stage, I'll take a train or something. I do have a horrible fear of flying... Steve Larsen: Man, well, speaking of that, let's go 30,000-foot view then. Yes, I mean you've certainly taken us through the trenches on how you're doing this. Now, just conceptually, just the overall arching strategy that you're using for the people who are, let's say they don't want to go to Facebook ads. What would you tell people to do who are still the pizza boys? You know what I mean? Who don't want to go Facebook route, but they want to do something else, some other product. What's the thing they should go do? Dan Henry: Well, at any point, you're going to probably need to use Facebook ads regardless. You don't have to take on clients. You can sell your own product, but the quickest way to do it is with Facebook ads. I think that would be involved at some point. Steve Larsen: Oh, yes, for sure. I mean as far as their own business creation. Dan Henry: Oh, creating a product creation? Steve Larsen: Yes, how should they get started? Dan Henry: All right. You want my formula? Steve Larsen: Sure. Dan Henry: Okay. Everybody says, "Oh, find a problem and create a solution," or "Find a product and sell as solution." That is so vague, okay? Steve Larsen: It's very vague. Dan Henry: It's so vague. Here's my formula. Ready for it? Steve Larsen: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Dan Henry: Here it is. Find a specific problem for a specific person and create a specific solution while avoiding the common roadblock that that specific person usually runs into with that specific problem. Steve Larsen: You're going to find something specific, but do something different? Dan Henry: Yes, so basically, you want to find a problem that is a problem only for a specific type of person, and you want to create a solution. Here's the, yes, the most important part is your solution has to avoid the common roadblock, okay? I'll give you an example. My course revolves around how to run Facebook ads for clients or your self. The client aspect, what I did with this was I figured out a way to get ... Everybody's big pain point is, "Well, I don't have results yet. I'm learning Facebook ads. I haven't started yet... ...How do I get clients if I don't have any results to show? How do I ever get clients?" Steve Larsen: You do that before the webinar? I mean during it, basically. Dan Henry: Right, so what I do is I show them A: how to get easy clients that you can't possibly screw up, and B; how to get those clients on board before you have any results to show, okay? It's how you pitch them and how you sell them and how you attract them without saying, "Oh, look what I've done," okay? Here's the great part. It's no risk to you or the client. I know that sounds crazy like that's impossible. How do you get a client and make it to where you can get that client without showing a result, but at the same time, you're doing it at very little risk to their bank account or your reputation. Well, I figured out a way to hit all those points. I thought about it for awhile, and I figured it out, okay? That's what I give away on the webinar. Steve Larsen: Yes, I mean that's amazing. You went in, and you found the exact issue. That's not the fluffy issue. Those are the real "What keeps me up at night." I don't want to have more customers. I want less customers with more money, kind of thing. What's that real- Dan Henry: Right, well, you also got to remember that listen, a lot of people, they create an online course... They're like, "This is what I want to do." No. You need to find out what to do, okay? You need to find out. For instance, my first month, when I made $10,000, and I tell you this. The method that I teach on the webinar is like an upgraded version of that because I tweaked it. What I did was when I found out that was what the pain points were, I made sure to create a solution that would actually work for that. What I did was I went into my existing small group of students. I said, "hey, guys." I said, "Do me a favor real quick. Do this thing, and tell me if it works." Everybody is like, "Oh, no. That ain't going to work. That's not going to work. Oh, please." I'm like, "Just shut up and do it." I talked to people by myself literally like, is there anybody that ... You know the goat balls, they get used to it. Literally, that's how I get so much success as well. I'm very abrasive. I will take a wash cloth, put it over your mouth and pour success down your throat if I have to because I need your results so I can sell more courses. I need your results, so I can be the next Tony Robbins. I need your results, so I'm going to freaking drag you kicking and screaming through the mud to success, so don't buy my course if you want to be pampered. I don't pamper, okay? I'm like a freaking drill sergeant... Steve Larsen: Love it. Dan Henry: Basically, what I did was I posted this in my student group. I said, "Do this thing." Everybody did it, and it worked. People started getting clients like crazy. Remember, at this point, this was before I got big, before I launched. This was the small group. I posted it with that. It was about 20 people, and everybody started getting results. Then, that's when I knew it worked. That's when I put it in my webinar, and then I launched, and boom, it went crazy. It works. I had this one guy. He's like 65 years old. He did it, and he got 10 clients or 10 client leads. I think he closed probably half of them within two days of attending the webinar. Dude didn't even buy my course, but whatever. Steve Larsen: That's hilarious, man. Hey, I want to thank you for all the stuff you shared. I mean my gosh, you guys. There's going to be this little button on your phone or computer or whatever that looks like a little half circle with an arrow. It's the repeat button, and I want you to go back and hit it and listen to this again because the value is just insane, absolutely amazing and certainly a prolific leader. Dan, I really appreciate it. I know everyone else does also. Any final words, I guess, as we wrap it up? Dan Henry: Yes, I mean if you want to know about that, here's what I suggest. Get yourself a copy of DotCom Secrets. Get yourself a copy of Ask by Ryan Levesque. Get yourself a copy of the 4-hour Work Week, Rich Dad, Poor Dad. Get all those books. If you want to learn more about what I do and how I do Facebook ads, you can go to danhenry.org and download my cheat sheet: 7 steps to creating, running and profiting from Facebook ads. That cheat sheet is on the website: 7 simple steps to creating, running and profiting from Facebook ads. Don't even remember the name of my own freaking... Steve Larsen: That's okay. You've been going for a while, just drop it at the value, so I appreciate it. The Facebook group also. Dan Henry: Yes, you'll get an invite to superhero entrepreneurs as soon as you opt in. Steve Larsen: Awesome. Dan Henry: You'll get in that way, so danhenry.org. Get the cheat sheet. You'll then get an invite to my group. I'm in my group all the time. I'm going to tell you my whole story in a lot more detail than I went in on here because there's a lot into it. I'm going to tell you my whole story on how I went from broke to this in a 5-day sequence. In that sequence, I'll offer you a chance to watch the webinar. Then, you'll see the webinar. Then, you'll get a bunch of case studies and all of these. If you want to buy the course, go for it. If not, I don't know. Send me chocolates. Steve Larsen: Yes, no, and honestly, you guys should go buy. Dan Henry is the cutting-edge on this stuff, and he's going to stay that way. That's just how who he is and why he teaches what he does. There's been people that built funnels for him like, "Okay, I'm going to build the funnel. You send the traffic." They're like, "Oh, okay. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes." They're just really excited about the funnel. Funnels are great, but they are dead without traffic. You have to have people in them. This is the other part of the pie. It's not even a full thing until you have both sides. You got to have some kind of funnel, somewhere to send people, some sequence, some automation, but if you have not traffic, I mean you're already dead in the water. You might as well not even build a funnel. Go buy his course. Dan Henry: Right. Steve Larsen: Go get his course. Dan Henry: Thank you, Stephen, for the going endorsement. Steve Larsen: Yes, this is not a planned endorsement. It's just this is good. Dan Henry: Yes. Steve Larsen: I appreciate it. Dan Henry: I mean I appreciate you having me on. This is great. I love it. A little early, but I'm sitting here barely awake, but it was absolutely fantastic coming on. This was my favorite podcast to do where I couldn't fly off at the mouth with profanities. There are some podcasts, if you look up, that I just go nuts on because it's just me. That's how I am. Steve Larsen: Yes, yes. That's awesome. Well, hey, thanks so much, Dan. I'd love to meet up again some time in the future and do a follow up. Thanks for listening to Sales Funnel Radio. Please remember to subscribe and leave feedback. Want to get one of today's best internet sales funnel for free? Go to salesfunnelbroker.com/freefunnels to download your free built sales funnel today.

Click above to see in ITunes... If you've never met Liz then there's a little spark missing in your life. She's one of the most inspirational and hard-charging people I've met. Here her wisdom now.. Steve Larsen: Hey how's it going everyone? I am super excited today because I have a special guest on and it's not too often that I get to go interview someone as amazing as Liz Tennyson. How are you doing?  Liz Tennyson: I'm amazing, hi everybody.  Steve Larsen: Good, good, good. I'm laughing still because a lot of people that I interview, it's kind of early in the morning, and their either kind of half dead still or just not very lively and you're already making me laugh. T his is good. Liz, I was wondering just right off the bat. The first time I saw you online, I think it was in the ClickFunnels certified page and you were like just dropping these huge value bombs and I was like, "Oh my gosh, who is this lady? She's killing it." I was wondering, could you tell us a little bit about how you got involved with funnels in general. Liz Tennyson: I was going to say I'm glad you didn't mention, but then I'm going to mention it. My first post in there was me with my silly, I guess it was one of the physical products, the book, that Russell sends out with one of his products. I can't even remember which one, but I never get mail and so it was so fun to get something like in the mail and so then I posted it in the certified partner group and people were laughing at me. The way I got started with the certification program really just started this Spring, I was struggling with- I had my funnel set up but I was using so many different systems and so frustrated because it was taking me forever. I'm one of those people that I like to figure it out on my own. Especially even before I'm hiring somebody to do it, so I was still trying to figure out how to get everything up and I found ClickFunnels. I can't even remember who said, "Liz, you need to get your head on straight and simplify."   That month I moved all my funnels over and we had a really fantastic month and so then I started kind of going, "This is pretty incredible how fast I can create things." I'm an action taker and so then from there-  Steve Larsen: I noticed that... Liz Tennyson: From there it just kind of progressed into I was telling people about it. I was telling people really they should be using ClickFunnels and then the opportunity for the certified partner came up and it just seemed natural. Steve Larsen: Yeah. Liz Tennyson: It wasn't the best time. I have so many things going on with my book and my actual business, but it really, it's on of those things that I just had to do.  Steve Larson: Now what is your actual business? What is it that takes your time? Liz Tennyson: I am a holistic health coach and a personal trainer. I run an organization called I'm A Fit Mormon and so my niche is obviously Mormon woman. Mom's that I help stay healthy and fit. Steve Larsen: Cool. That's awesome. Now obviously ClickFunnel has played into that a lot. Russel and I have been talking a lot about this. It's so hard to define what a funnel is to someone who has no idea what the are you know? Liz Tennyson: Yeah.  Steve Larsen: It's a challenge to do this. Was it for you easy to make the transition over? Liz Tennyson: For me it was. I think I've been doing business for so many years. Even when I owned a FedEx franchise in my 20's.  Steve Larsen: Geez.  Liz Tennyson: It was the same thing in real life... You have to know how to transition a client throughout your process so once I understood how that worked, it just was kind of putting it into the online forum. Even when I help my clients, you know, I know exactly step 1, step 2, step 3. I think that if somebody can get that concept, kind of step back from ClickFunnels for 10 minutes and say, "What do I actually want to do for somebody? What am I actually doing for somebody?" Then you can build a funnel that can do that process. It kind of seemed natural to me... I take about, I don't know, I think last week I took maybe 2 to 3 hours and kind of wrote out you know the process I really wanted... Where I could really serve somebody better, if I was to create this type of funnel. If I was to create a really good sales page. It has to be good because then I want them to use my product that can actually change their life. I think if you step back for just a little bit and do that process. Then the funnel building is a lot easier. Steve Larsen: That's so interesting you say that because I- "What am I doing for someone else and how can I serve them?" That's such a good question to start with cause so many of us, I mean, we all want to make money, but when somebody makes that the pure focus, it's really really hard to actually make the money on there. I almost feel like it's a dog smelling fear. Everyone can tell when you're just there to pull their credit card out of their wallet...  Liz Tennyson: Yeah and you end up with a sales page that's like "buy from me" and nobody knows like where did I find this guy that's just selling- you know? Like just selling me his stuff and that works if maybe you have- I could do that with my community because they love me and they know I put out good stuff, so could build a page that says like, "hey buy my next thing." But it's taken me 2 years to be able to do that and I don't do that because I want them to understand what the products actually going to do for them and the... it's going to take them from. Even though I could pitch a product and make money, it still doesn't serve my community the best and at some point that's going to start diminish if I'm not actually serving them in some way. Steve Larsen: It seems like every entrepreneur goes through that though. Cause obviously you get in to make the money but you're say that it sounded like there was a point where you bridged the gap between you know, "buy buy buy buy buy" and then over to help.  Liz Tennyson: I go through a lot of different scenarios, when I started, I thought it was going to be like a non profit right? Cause I'm like, I felt like "oh I'm such an amazing person and I'm just going to give" and I know that doesn't really work if you don't actually go to be a non-profit and there's no money coming in from like anybody that wants advertised. You have to figure out a new way that I could serve people and that was like writing programs and being able to coach people through the process. At some point, even if it works on the front end, it at some point, you have to cultivate. That's what I love about ClickFunnels too is the culture. It's really, I'm pretty loyal of a person. I've been married 19 years, I have my 4 kids and I've been a member of my church my whole life. I feel like I'm pretty loyal but its hard to get me in. A lot of people pitch me, I have great energy, I really love people so a lot of people pitch me all the time. It's hard to get me in a community. It's hard for me to commit to a community.  I was on the phone with somebody that was actually pitching me this weekend and saying, "Oh, Liz, you would do so much for our community and we really want you." And I said, "you know what? I was just at this incredible event for ClickFunnels and I'm in and I can't really commit to something else because this is where my heart is right now and this is where I want to be and this community is growing really fast. I feel like that I have so much that I could give to the community and people that are coming on to learn how to use ClickFunnels and build their own businesses and that kind of stuff." I just feel like the culture that you build around your product, even if the culture is we build great products, right, so you can keep putting out great stuff that functions well and serves people well. I think is the main bottom line that actually pays so much more on the tail end if you just look at it that way. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. That's really awesome. What about the ClickFunnels community made you that loyal? Most people are in the community but you usually don't go vet communities you know what I mean? That's not something that most people go do. Liz Tennyson: Like I said at the very first, I wasn't really looking for anything, it's not a really if I were to look at it logically, even my husband's like. "Liz, you have your own book coming out." Like in book stores in January. We have a book tour, I am upper level management of my MLM company. I'm traveling around teaching and so it's not like a great time for me to even do this or commit or anything like that but I don't know what it was. It was way before the event this weekend, there was that feeling like this is kind of my, a lot of these people are going to be my family is kind of how I felt. I think maybe in the certified partner program, Nora's done a great job of creating that community with those people and then when I got there this last weekend, I felt so home. I don't know what it is and I'm not saying it's that way for everybody.  I normally don't do that but I felt like I got meet Randall who was the second person after Derek that I was on the phone with for the certified partner program and he has the coolest job to sell to collect. From that conversation, I sent him a card and all this kind of stuff. I'm sure he thinks I'm a total psycho because I keep telling him thank you but to meet him in person was, it meant so much to me. I don't know what it is.  Steve Larsen: Yeah what is that? Why would that- Liz Tennyson: I think, well, so I've worked really hard, I guess I'll tell you my back story. I've worked really hard... I got married at 19. Obviously I've been married 19 years so we can do the math. We immediately started having babies. When you're 19 and you start having babies, you can choose two paths. You can choose college and take in a whole bunch of student loans to practically live. Or you can become and entrepreneur. Those are the two choices. I guess there's a third choice, to like live with family and-  Steve Larsen: Die a slow death.  Liz Tennyson: Totally. My choice was to become an entrepreneur. Miraculously I was hired as a manager at a bank. I don't even- really looking back, I was 20 years old with a baby and they hire me. I worked graveyards while my husband worked days doing construction and we were trying to figure out like what type of business we were going to start. From that process we bought a franchise, we've done a whole bunch of different things. I love the process of MLM. If it's done correctly and I've been building businesses for a long time... Really ... after 19 years ... gosh you got me all excited. Having Randall on the phone I don't know what it was but it was like the universe is just confirmed your hard work matters, you know? You built up to some really incredible things and that phone call was like one of those pivotal things that he told me on the phone he says, "I don't tell people all this all the time" and he just said, "I can tell Liz that your life is going to completely change." And my life was already changing... I'm already a hustler. I'm already doing amazing things... I already create that balance between a mom. I'm there for my kids all the time and I create incredible businesses. I'm able to keep that balance and do some pretty awesome things. Then when he said that and I don't normally, it's so funny, cause I don't normally care about if somebody gives me a compliment you know. My ego isn't really connected to a lot of things and so for him to say that, normally, I'm used to people pitching me so normally I'm like, "yeah yeah". Whatever, yes, like I know I have charisma and I know you want me on your team. You know?  Steve Larsen: This is the only time I've been able to do this. Liz Tennyson: Exactly. There was something, I don't know if it was really ... him or if it was just like everything was cultivated up until that point and I was just completely vulnerable and my heart was open to change. At that moment it was like, "okay here we go, I shouldn't make this commitment but I feel like it's right so I'm going to and I'm going to let everything else ride after this."  I'm pretty good at making business decisions, I don't chase the shiny object... You know, I'm pretty solid and loyal and to the commitments that I make. It was like it was, "yeah lets just do this" I wasn't all in. I just I don't know what it was. It was good, solid people. I guess. Russell's built an amazing team and this weekend begin able to meet so many of those people, really, I don't know if you can call it, changed my heart, I don't know. Steve Larsen: Yeah yeah.  Liz Tennyson: It just felt so solid. Steve Larsen: That's awesome because most people do not want to meet their salesman. You know what I mean?  Liz Tennyson: I know and it was so funny because my husband was like, "maybe he's just really good at his job Liz, like maybe he's just a really good salesman." And I said, "Well he is a really good salesman and I respect that about him." But he also like- Steve Larsen: But he's a real person too, he's not being fake with you. Liz Tennyson: The connection we have, like he listened, which is really important to me if somebody listens. He listened to every single thing. He even asked me, "Liz, you're a really exciting person... ...Are you a shiny object type?" You know?  Steve Larsen: Yeah. Liz Tennyson: He really wanted to build with the certified partner program people that are committed. People that were a good fit for ClickFunnels and so he was vetting me to make sure that I wasn't flighty and gonna take off after I got really excited. Cause I want people that are gonna finish and actually become certified. I was glad that he did that. Steve Larsen: You know I remember ... I have two thought here. Trying to figure out which one to go for. I remember when I went to that last event. That last funnel hacker event. I was actually in college and it was my last week of college and I didn't have a way to get there and so I traded someone a funnel. I built a funnel for them and they paid for my plain ticket, a ticket to get in and two nights of a hotel and so I kind of just fended for myself for the others and stayed up all night in the basement of the Sheraton the last night there. What was funny was I remember getting on the plane just going there and for some reason having that feeling like, I feel like my life is going to change. You know?  Liz Tennyson: Yeah. Steve Larsen: I didn't work for ClickFunnels at the time. Russel had no idea who I was, anything like that. That's not even how it changed it was just something inside though for sure that I don't know what it was. I came back and that was actually the first time my wife looked at me and she goes, "You seem happy." I was like, "Was I not seeming that way before?" I didn't know that I wasn't appearing as happy beforehand but I guess she was like "it was a physical difference."  At the time I was going to go work for another guy. I won't say the name or anything in case he listens to this but she goes- As soon as I came back there was some other issue with this other guy I was going to go work for and she was like, "It was like this switch that flipped and you immediately went back to this other person and I realized that unless we go try and get you, find a way for you to work for Clickfunnels, I want the version of my husband that came home from that event." I don't want the other one.  Anyways, not to digress on that, I'm just completely agreeing with you. It was a life-changing thing for me. It's a very special thing for sure. I wanted to point out and say congrats by the way. At the last event, you won the best funnel right? Liz Tennyson: Thank you thank you, I'm raising my hands right now. Steve Larsen: I can see you actually. Woo. Liz Tennyson: Taking my virtual reward. Steve Larsen: Tell us about it. That's awesome. That's a big deal. Liz Tennyson: That was really fun. I knew that we would have some type of funnel hacking. The people from June's event kind of told me about it but until you get there you don't know what it really is. You don't know who the business owner's are... When you get there, you know, you go through the day and then business owner's tell you a little bit about their business. Then Nora says, "Okay, you have until tomorrow morning to build them a functioning funnel."  Steve Larsen: Woo. Liz Tennyson: Right?  Steve Larsen: That's exciting. Liz Tennyson: Then tomorrow you will present it to the owners and they'll pick a winner and hopefully we'll get some really great stuff that they can actually use. Then there was two owners and she put names in a hat and pulled out names who had which owner and so we were lucky enough to get ... he owns a flooring company in Idaho and he was incredible. His name was Matt and we got to pick a partner so somebody had come over and Michelle said, "Hey do you want to be my partner?" And we were super excited. Then that night you get the opportunity to just sit and talk to the owner. What was really cool is because I love to listen, right, to what the needs are, I had to ask him- He's incredible person and he's a genius and kind of he already knows about ClickFunnels. He had five ideas. Five funnels that he wanted built, but we had to create one. The night pretty much consisted of, "okay what funnel is most important? Let's get very clear on what funnel is most important to you." It turns out the funnel that was most important to him was to get people from the area, from Boise, Eagle and Meridian into his store. He said that numerous times that that was the most important. I love, I know how to do Facebook ads and I know how to do targeting and research for that.  With those skills, we created a funnel that was for him that was getting people into the store and it was only for those three areas and we him do a video for the front page and a coupon that they could bring in to the store that after they opted in, they could download the coupon. Then we showed him a little bit of how to target those homeowners. We showed him how to target different home values with people so he could run some new ads to get people into his store.  It was really fun... We had a tough competition though. There were so many talented people there and when they would go up, I was pretty com- I don't like to think I'm competitive, like I'm okay if I lose, if somebody does an amazing job to beat me. Steve Larsen: You're okay losing, but not really.  Liz Tennyson: I'm like a good loser. My husband is a terrible loser. I often just lose on purpose so we can just stay married. Steve Larsen: I've totally done that before. Liz Tennyson: We almost got divorced like after year one from playing Monopoly. We can not have this game in this house.  Steve Larsen: It's chess with us. I purposefully have lost many times to that game cause otherwise- Anyways, anyways.  Liz Tennyson: Anyways, besides that. There were some really talented people and as they were going up I thought, "Oh I want to be able to do this in the next funnel" because they had some really great ideas and really great converting processes. Then the owners chose the winners. That was really fun... Steve Larsen: Do you mind taking us through the funnel that you built and why you did that? Usually focus so much on the funnel side and you're like funnel funnel funnel you know its hearing more about the Facebook ad and how that moved through the funnel. That might be kind of cool if you don't mind? Liz Tennyson: For me, I have a lot of people, especially in the last couple months, I have highly converting funnels for myself and so people will say, "Okay can you do that for me?" The first thing I say is, "Do you know who you're selling to? Do you know who you're going to target? Because if I build you a funnel and you don't know who's going to see it, you're not going to make any money."  Steve Larsen: That's true.  Liz Tennyson: Right? If you can't direct traffic to it, Russel even talked about this in the first session of the certified partner. If you can't drive traffic and actually have people see your funnel, it's going to be really hard for it to convert because there's not going to be anybody to convert.  For that process the first thing we did is find out in the Facebook ads insights there's a way that, obviously this is like a whole class of itself. You can search home owners, you can search people even that want to do home renovation. Those types of things, we searched house values so we did, I think it was 150 to 275 and then 275-500 are the two different groups that we had we targeted women cause they're usually the ones making the choice of changing the flooring in the house. We did create because this business owner, we're going to figure out him how to target and speak it correctly without it hurting anybodies feelings but a lot of moms that are nesting that are having their first baby, he finds that they come in and want new flooring, they want to change their house.  Being able to help build him a list of pregnant moms in the area, own homes I think is a pretty targeted group that if you can get the message clear then it would be a really highly converting funnel for him. Going through that the most important thing for him was that he is amazing. That he gives out spot cleaner. You can go in for the life of your carpet you can refill the spot cleaner from him. That is an amazing bonus.  Steve Larsen: Is that a front end or something?  Liz Tennyson: It's a back end to get people to know that's the service- that's like a bonus that's like unannounced that you just get from him. Steve Larsen: Awesome.  Liz Tennyson: The biggest point of the funnel from him was social proof. He is big in his community. His mom started the company so they've been around for years. Right now all of the traffic that they get is from referrals, they have amazing reviews. He has done, before he came to the event, he had some great SEO done so he ranks #1 on Google and he just has a ton of reviews on there that are all amazing.  Social proof is a big deal... We needed him on the page. Him because he represents the company and he really wants to be known in the area as the expert. To make a video just about flooring would not have met his needs. So putting him on the video to introduce himself to start to cultivate that relationship, to start to cultivate that trust, was really important. Then at the top of the page, it said, "Do you live in" I'll have to look at the funnel again. I think it says, "Do you live" or "Are you from Boise, Meridian, or Eagle?"  Steve Larsen: Mm-hmm (affirmative) cleaver. Liz Tennyson: Because he doesn't want any leads from anywhere else.  Steve Larsen: That's awesome.  Liz Tennyson: If they get to that page and they're not from that then they'll go away right?  Steve Larsen: Yeah. Liz Tennyson: He's not going to get leads that are not targeted, he's not going to get leads that are going to waste is time and waste their time. Right? If they're not from that area, they're not going to need his flooring. He doesn't want to expand because he knows that they area that he lives in is big enough that he doesn't have to expand to different areas, besides those three.  Then below that was just an opt in that was "Hey get your free coupon, come in to meet Matt for the flooring needs." The things it had on the opt in though that were required was name, email and it had a drop down that they could tell him, "I am from Eagle, I am from Meridian, I am from Boise." He would have that info so then he could create a segmented list for just Boise people. That kind of stuff. That was really really really important to him.  We didn't get the chance to do it but in our presentation we talked to him about, "you know obviously we would be doing Facebook pixels and stuff like that to do retargeting just to those people" and then the coupon. Then at the very very bottom was-  Steve Larsen: Was this like an opt in page then or? Liz Tennyson: Yeah its just like a video opt in page and then at the very bottom was a really cool thing for people that are creating social proof. It was connected to his Facebook page so when people even go to that page, it will start to collect to those comments and just create more social proof for him which is really important. Steve Larsen: It was kind of like... now would he go and follow up after? Cause this sounds like a really simple, but powerful funnel. Was it two pages?  Liz Tennyson: It was just two pages and then the download that they could click to get the download for the coupon.  It was just an opt in and a thank you.  Steve Larsen: The reason I bring that in is because some people think like these funnels have to be huge just so many things you've got to put in it and you've got to have three up sells and a down sell and often, no, you don't. I've been building for real estate and they're just 2 pages but they're so powerful. It's the way you use them. The messages. I love that that's what you focus on. The messaging. Liz Tennyson: Yeah well and the most important thing for him, once we figured out, this is what I want it to do. This is the most important thing. Of course you can build other funnels for different functions right? Steve Larsen: Yeah. Liz Tennyson: You could say like, we could've made like a sales page or send them to sales page like "hey and we have a carpet sale" right? Steve Larsen: Yeah. Liz Tennyson: He didn't want to do that. That was cheesy to him. He wasn't interested in putting anything on sale because his stuff is highly valuable and he doesn't have to put stuff on sale. To drive traffic a lot of time ... even for me and this is a really good thing that people should be writing this down right now. For me I built a Facebook page for my community because I am a social, like I am building a community. I started building this Facebook page and I was just on my Facebook and was like "hey we have a free support group" and people were going there and then I realized I don't have anybodies information. Everybody in the Facebook group, yeah it's cool if they see my post in my Facebook group but I'm never going to be able to get in contact with them. At all, besides that Facebook group. Then I created literally one page, right? That is for me, that says, you know they go there and they put in their information and then they get to click the button and it takes them right to Facebook page where they can ask to gain access. Then I have the information and I have a list that's like my Facebook group people that opted in for the free support group and I can build a list on that.  Having that functionality I think a lot of people discount the value that that can actually bring you in your business. It works great for social proof...  It works great for anybody building in a community or a lifestyle business. A lot of times people just go to "it's really important to sell." Just do like an opt in, take them straight to a sales page and for me it's been so much more profitable to do this lead page, add value, then more people buy. When they actually see my up sell and my down sell. That's like a totally different funnel and a totally different product that serves a different purpose. Steve Larsen: How are you breaking even on ad costs usually? Cause that's something usually that as far as funnel methodology goes is usually pounded into us upfront. I guess it sounds like you're putting them in a normal Facebook group itself.  Liz Tennyson: Yeah so I put them into the Facebook group itself but I also sell. Steve Larsen: Mm-hmm (affirmative)  Liz Tennyson: Right from my page I do have a running ad, for me, for my lifestyle company- Steve Larsen: Oh cool. Liz Tennyson: That is you know a recipe book, I have my- I even run ads to get people to know my page exist. I spend money on that every single day that doesn't make me any money except that it gets them to my Facebook page which then they can have a social group and....  Steve Larsen: I'm sorry we've got someone right out the window. Liz Tennyson: I'm looking around my room like, I don't think that's me.  Steve Larsen: Nope so I'm using, maybe I'll pause it in actual recording right here cause. It's the same lady, anyways yesterday, Russel was on a call with someone and he ... this lady always comes at the exact same time that we're always doing anything that has to do with recording at all, ever. She's always like trimming the hedges. It's never like she's mowing the lawn or something like that. She's trimming hedges- Liz Tennyson: On the other side of the window.  Steve Larsen: Literally- and she gives us the dirtiest looks on the other side of the window.  Liz Tennyson: Yeah, it is funny. You know if people don't know this is the way business works, they haven't been in business long enough. Like to have just like ... really? Like this is happening right now? That's just the way it works. Steve Larsen: She just stepped back into the parking and she like put her hands on her hips and she's like tilting her head making sure that it's all level. She doesn't know I'm in here right now looking at her.  Liz Tennyson: I'm pretty sure that she sees that you're in there. Let me see, is he still on that call? Let me go back and try it again.  Steve Larsen: I don't know she's wearing sunglasses and it's like dark out still. We're almost done, we're not done.  Liz Tennyson: That's just amazing. I feel like you need to go get a picture. Steve Larsen: And ... woo okay we're done.  Liz Tennyson: Okay she's done awesome. Steve Larsen: So for a 1:38, for a while. Anyways ... so- Liz Tennyson: I'm going to just really finish and say that I think that a lot of people, so they try to make things complex for two reasons. One they really don't, they just want to make money. Right? They're thinking of all the different ways. How are all these different ways that I can break even and make money right? Or two, they don't really have that idea of like, what is this function going to do for me? Like what is, if I build this funnel, what is it going to do for the person observing and what is it going to do for me? Where am I going to lead them? I think that that, being able to target correctly, saves me tons of money. Being able to do that research, spending time doing the research, if you don't want to spend the time yourself, pay somebody to do it. Right? Because you will save so much money on ad spent. Because I target the exact person that wants what I have.  Steve Larsen: Yeah.  Liz Tennyson: If you're not targeting that and you're just like "ah I don't know, like women would probably want this." You're going to waste so much money. Being able to target more specifically will save so much more money on the back end. Steve Larsen: That's awesome. I know we've been going a little while today and I just want to thank you so much for this. I actually wanted to ask, where can people find your book? That's not a small thing to go through and write a book. Liz Tennyson: So awesome. I want to tell you, although it was ClickFunnels that wrote the book. It was because I built an incredible funnel. It was before I even knew, like I didn't even know about free plus shipping. I just did a JV with somebody that wrote an original book and nobody had read his book and so he pitched me on it and I was like, "yeah that's exactly what I teach, that's what my books going to be about."   I built a funnel and I built it into a really easy group coaching program, that they got the book and they got the program and that first month, that first two weeks, I didn't even know how to like- we had it on Amazon. I didn't even know how to get it to people. When they were buying it, I literally using a gift card to in my Amazon account that was like shipping to someone else, so I have like 500 names in my Amazon account with their name addresses. Cause I didn't know. I didn't know how awesome the funnel was going to be... We sold over 580 books in two weeks and the only reason we didn't continue it is because I literally, I had two teenagers on different laptops, placing orders. I wasn't set up to be able to have 500 people buy. Because of that, the publisher was like, "Okay, we need to publish your book." They contacted me, which was awesome because two years ago they didn't care what I had to say. It was fun to actually prove like, "Hey I do know what I'm saying." I can help a lot of people and my book needs to be on bookshelves. That will be in mostly the Utah, Idaho area. Barnes and Noble does our book, Sams Club, Costco in the end December and in January. Of course it will be online, so I'm A Fit Mormon is the community and then of course I have my own personal Facebook page which is Liz Tennyson and yeah that's how they can find me.  Steve Larsen: Now what's the name of the book? Is it I'm A Fit Mormon.  Liz Tennyson: No so it's called Fit For Good. It's not even specifically for Mormons I just obviously have that niche that I speak to and help but it's Christian based, it's really with the premise to take anybody, not just women. Anybody from the idea of like weight loss and eating low calories right? Cause that's what the world tells us is part of like heath... To actually what's the intention behind wanting to get fit, what's the intention for me, I want to serve as many people as I can and I need a ton of energy. I need to feel good, I need to think clearly and so for me, that's my intention. That's the reason I stay healthy, that's the reason I stay fit. Taking people from the way the world tells people to be healthy, like the world tells you- Steve Larsen: A weird way to do it. Liz Tennyson: And to sabotage your body and beat yourself up and then don't eat anything, to okay, eat with intention with consciousness, pay attention to what you're doing functionality wise to be having your blood pump in your body and letting all your organs be able to do their own job. It's not like a boring holistic book, but it is a Christian based book... I talk a lot about being able to serve more people and being able to really feel and get inspiration from God that we can really go out and do a lot of good things and be healthy. It's called Fit For Good and it will be ready at the end of the year. Steve Larsen: Why is she back? She's looking at the same bush. Liz Tennyson: I just can't. Steve Larsen: This is crazy. Anyways, I want to thank you very much for jumping on this... I always take notes, I literally have a full page of notes. All the stuff that you said, "you focus on what is the actual funnel going to be doing for people", "build a culture around the product is really important", "do you know who you're selling to specifically and how it saves lots of money", you mentioned, which is awesome, "don't chase the shiny object", "stop, don't be so complex, be simple". Russell actually sat me down and had to talk about that a while ago cause I was all over the place. As soon as I did though and focused stuff started happening. It's fantastic.  Liz Tennyson: Yeah.  Steve Larsen: Anyways, thank you so much for all you've done. Fit For Good is the name of the book, they can go to I'm A Fit Mormon dot com  Liz Tennyson: Dot org Steve Larsen: Dot org. I'm a Fit Mormon dot org. Cool is there anywhere else people should go to follow you?  Liz Tennyson: Just on Facebook. I do all my stuff on Facebook or Instagram. Under Liz Tennyson and then I'm a Fit Mormon. Steve Larsen: Thanks so much Liz I appreciate you taking your time.  Liz Tennyson: Thank you. Steve Larsen: This was super fun.  Liz Tennyson: Thank you have a great. Steve Larsen: You too. Liz Tennyson: Bye bye.