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We begin this installment of Best Of The Gist with the latest episode of our new podcast Not Even Mad, in which hosts Mike Pesca, Virginia Heffernan, and Jamie Kirchick discuss the politics of parsing crime statistics. Then we listen back to Mike's June 11, 2020 interview with John Pfaff, professor of law and criminology at Fordham University and author of Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration, And How To Achieve Real Reform. They talk about police reform and why politicians touting low crime under their watches could lead to more dysfunction. Produced by Joel Patterson and Corey Wara Not Even Mad Theme Song by Max Kerman Subscribe to Not Even Mad on Apple, or wherever you are listening to this. Email us at thegist@mikepesca.com To advertise on the show, visit: https://advertisecast.com/TheGist Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
In episode twelve of the 12-part podcast series, "https://www.workshouldntsuck.co/white-men-journey (White Men & the Journey Towards Anti-Racism)," Tim interviews Jared Fishman, a civil right lawyer and Founding Executive Director of https://www.justiceinnovationlab.org/ (Justice Innovation Lab), a company building data-driven solutions for a more equitable, effective & fair justice system. This series was created to be a resource for white men who might be wrestling with questions like, “What's my role in anti-racism, equity, inclusion, and justice work as a white man with power and privilege?” and “How might my personal commitment to do this work manifest itself in the organization I help lead?” Are you new to the series? Check out https://www.workshouldntsuck.co/podcast2/ep54 (episode 54) where podcast co-hosts Lauren Ruffin and Tim Cynova introduce and frame the conversations. Download the accompanying https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YRj51JwoP5bsoqFZQa1rrQDj6QtOzODB/view?usp=sharing (study guide). And explore https://www.workshouldntsuck.co/white-men-journey (the other episodes in this series) with guests: Raphael Bemporad (Founding Partner) & Bryan Miller (Chief Financial Officer), BBMG Ted Castle (Founder & President) & Rooney Castle (Vice President), Rhino Foods Ron Carucci, Co-Founder & Managing Partner, Navalent David Devan, General Director & President, Opera Philadelphia Jay Coen Gilbert, Co-Founder, B Lab; CEO, Imperative21 Kit Hughes, Co-Founder and CEO of Look Listen Marc Mannella, Independent Consultant, Former CEO KIPP Philadelphia Public Schools John Orr, Executive Director, Art-Reach David Reuter, Partner, LLR Sydney Skybetter, Founder, CRCI; Associate Chair & Senior Lecturer, Theatre Arts & Performance Studies Department, Brown University Want to explore resources related to this episode? Jared suggests:[Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://newjimcrow.com/ (New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness) by Michelle Alexander [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741 (13th), A Documentary [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/14301/slavery-by-another-name-by-douglas-a-blackmon/ (Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II) by Douglas Blackmon [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674238145 (Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America) by Khalil Jibran Muhammad [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/39834671-punishment-without-crime (Punishment without Crime: How Our Massive Misdemeanor System Traps the Innocent and Makes America More Unequal) by Alexandra Natapoff (on the impact of low level charges) [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29502356-locked-in (Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform) by John Pfaff (on prosecutors role) [Data and Justice] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/241363/weapons-of-math-destruction-by-cathy-oneil/ (Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy) by Cathy O'Neil [Date and Justice] https://nyupress.org/9781479892822/the-rise-of-big-data-policing/ (The Rise of Big Data Policing: Surveillance, Race, and the Future of Law Enforcement) by Andrew Guthrie Ferguson [Alternatives to the Status Quo] https://thenewpress.com/books/until-we-reckon (Until We Reckon: Violence, Mass Incarceration, and a Road to Repair) by Danielle Sered [Behavioral Science] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/676270/the-behavioral-code-by-benjamin-van-rooij/ (The Behavioral Code: The Hidden Ways the Law Makes Us Better…or Worse) by Benjamin Van Rooij & Adam Fine [Behavioral Science] https://righteousmind.com/ (The Righteous Mind: Why...
In episode twelve of the 12-part podcast series, "https://www.workshouldntsuck.co/white-men-journey (White Men & the Journey Towards Anti-Racism)," Tim interviews Jared Fishman, a civil right lawyer and Founding Executive Director of https://www.justiceinnovationlab.org/ (Justice Innovation Lab), a company building data-driven solutions for a more equitable, effective & fair justice system. This series was created to be a resource for white men who might be wrestling with questions like, “What's my role in anti-racism, equity, inclusion, and justice work as a white man with power and privilege?” and “How might my personal commitment to do this work manifest itself in the organization I help lead?” Are you new to the series? Check out https://www.workshouldntsuck.co/podcast2/ep54 (episode 54) where podcast co-hosts Lauren Ruffin and Tim Cynova introduce and frame the conversations. Download the accompanying https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YRj51JwoP5bsoqFZQa1rrQDj6QtOzODB/view?usp=sharing (study guide). And explore https://www.workshouldntsuck.co/white-men-journey (the other episodes in this series) with guests: Raphael Bemporad (Founding Partner) & Bryan Miller (Chief Financial Officer), BBMG Ted Castle (Founder & President) & Rooney Castle (Vice President), Rhino Foods Ron Carucci, Co-Founder & Managing Partner, Navalent David Devan, General Director & President, Opera Philadelphia Jay Coen Gilbert, Co-Founder, B Lab; CEO, Imperative21 Kit Hughes, Co-Founder and CEO of Look Listen Marc Mannella, Independent Consultant, Former CEO KIPP Philadelphia Public Schools John Orr, Executive Director, Art-Reach David Reuter, Partner, LLR Sydney Skybetter, Founder, CRCI; Associate Chair & Senior Lecturer, Theatre Arts & Performance Studies Department, Brown University Want to explore resources related to this episode? Jared suggests:[Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://newjimcrow.com (New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness) by Michelle Alexander [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.netflix.com/title/80091741 (13th), A Documentary [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/14301/slavery-by-another-name-by-douglas-a-blackmon/ (Slavery by Another Name: The Re-Enslavement of Black Americans from the Civil War to World War II) by Douglas Blackmon [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674238145 (Condemnation of Blackness: Race, Crime, and the Making of Modern Urban America) by Khalil Jibran Muhammad [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/39834671-punishment-without-crime (Punishment without Crime: How Our Massive Misdemeanor System Traps the Innocent and Makes America More Unequal) by Alexandra Natapoff (on the impact of low level charges) [Race and the Criminal Justice System] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/29502356-locked-in (Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform) by John Pfaff (on prosecutors role) [Data and Justice] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/241363/weapons-of-math-destruction-by-cathy-oneil/ (Weapons of Math Destruction: How Big Data Increases Inequality and Threatens Democracy) by Cathy O'Neil [Date and Justice] https://nyupress.org/9781479892822/the-rise-of-big-data-policing/ (The Rise of Big Data Policing: Surveillance, Race, and the Future of Law Enforcement) by Andrew Guthrie Ferguson [Alternatives to the Status Quo] https://thenewpress.com/books/until-we-reckon (Until We Reckon: Violence, Mass Incarceration, and a Road to Repair) by Danielle Sered [Behavioral Science] https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/676270/the-behavioral-code-by-benjamin-van-rooij/ (The Behavioral Code: The Hidden Ways the Law Makes Us Better…or Worse) by Benjamin Van Rooij & Adam Fine [Behavioral Science] https://righteousmind.com (The Righteous Mind: Why...
For today's episode, Tyrell and Daphne explore the root causes of mass incarceration by discussing John Pfaff's Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration-and How to Achieve Real Reform. They begin the episode by catching up (00:30) and discussing “Oh Lawd” news (7:32). They then turn their attention to the topic of the week by sharing their general impressions of Locked In (36:28), discussing the importance of looking beyond the War on Drugs as a cause of mass incarceration (40:15), and highlighting the role of states and counties in the growth of the prison population (43:30). They close the episode by discussing the “new narrative” around mass incarceration and the role of prosecutors and violent crime in prison growth and reform (48:20). Resources: BhD Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/bhdpodcast The Dark Side of Reform- https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781793643759/The-Dark-Side-of-Reform-Exploring-the-Impact-of-Public-Policy-on-Racial-EquityDiscount Code (30% Off): LXFANDF30 Locked In - https://www.basicbooks.com/titles/john-pfaff/locked-in/9780465096916/
On the Gist, dominating the streets with compassion. In the interview, John Pfaff, professor of law and criminology at Fordham University and author of Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration-and How to Achieve Real Reform, joins Mike to talk about police reformation, and why politicians touting low crime under their watches could lead to more dysfunction. As one of the foremost experts on incarceration in America, Pfaff argues that we need to rethink how the system and budgets are organized. In the spiel, Christopher Columbus and his mixed legacy. Email us at thegist@slate.com Podcast production by Daniel Schroeder and Margaret Kelley. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On the Gist, dominating the streets with compassion. In the interview, John Pfaff, professor of law and criminology at Fordham University and author of Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration-and How to Achieve Real Reform, joins Mike to talk about police reformation, and why politicians touting low crime under their watches could lead to more dysfunction. As one of the foremost experts on incarceration in America, Pfaff argues that we need to rethink how the system and budgets are organized. In the spiel, Christopher Columbus and his mixed legacy. Email us at thegist@slate.com Podcast production by Daniel Schroeder and Margaret Kelley. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
ABOUT THIS EPISODE John Pfaff is Professor of Law at Fordham University, and has areas of expertise that include prisons, criminal law, and sentencing law. Michael Rocque is Associate Professor of Sociology at Bates College, and his areas of expertise include criminological theory, racial disparities in the criminal justice system, and desistance from crime. He has also worked as Senior Research Advisor with the Maine Department of Corrections. In this episode, we use the recent death of Jeffrey Epstein as well as ongoing mass shootings as jumping off points for a wide-ranging conversation about jail and prison conditions, mental illness and mass public shootings, criminal justice reform, and more, including discussion of at least one U.S. presidential candidate. LINKS --John Pfaff's Fordham profile (https://www.fordham.edu/info/23171/john_pfaff) --Mike Rocque's Bates profile (https://www.bates.edu/sociology/faculty/michael-rocque/) --Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform (by John Pfaff) (https://www.amazon.com/Locked-Causes-Incarceration-Achieve-Reform/dp/0465096913) --"Actually, there is a clear link between mass shootings and mental illness," (by Grant Duwe and Michael Rocque, for the Los Angeles Times) (https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-duwe-rocque-mass-shootings-mental-illness-20180223-story.html) --Stephanie Kelley-Romano's Bates profile (https://www.bates.edu/rhetoric-film-screen-studies/faculty/kelley-romano-stephanie/) --"What we know about the conditions at the prison where Jeffrey Epstein died," (from National Public Radio) (https://www.npr.org/2019/08/14/751235936/what-we-know-about-the-conditions-at-the-prison-where-jeffrey-epstein-died) --Wiki entry on the Prison Litigation Reform Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_Litigation_Reform_Act) --"America's most interesting sheriff" (Economist article on Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart) (https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/08/08/americas-most-interesting-sheriff) --Rocque's Scholars Strategy Network profile (https://scholars.org/scholar/michael-rocque) --"Megan Rapinoe did not stomp on the flag. Here's why people got outraged regardless," (by Rocque, for Newsweek) (https://www.newsweek.com/megan-rapinoe-did-not-stomp-flag-heres-why-people-got-outraged-regardless-opinion-1449030) --"Justice and safety for all," (Bernie Sanders's criminal justice reform plan) (https://berniesanders.com/issues/criminal-justice-reform/) Special Guests: John Pfaff and Mike Rocque.
Josie Duffy-Rice, an attorney with the Fair Punishment Project, spoke with me about a variety of topics related to criminal justice, including efforts at reform, the ideas of author (and new New York Times columnist) Michelle Alexander, prosecutors (including progressive ones), and race and crime. You should check out this episode, and also follow Josie's Twitter feed. LINKS Fair Punishment Project (http://fairpunishment.org/) Michelle Alexander's book The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness (http://newjimcrow.com/) Michelle Alexander joins The New York Times (https://www.theroot.com/michelle-alexander-joins-the-new-york-times-opinion-pag-1827053777) John Pfaff's book Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01L6SLKK8/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1) Prosecutor Criticized Over Laquan McDonald Case Is Defeated In Primary (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/prosecutor-criticized-over-laquan-mcdonald-case-is-defeated-in-primary.html) Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx Announces Release of Office's First Data Report (https://www.cookcountystatesattorney.org/news/cook-county-state-s-attorney-kim-foxx-announces-release-office-s-first-online-data-report) Philadelphia DA Larry Krasner Promised a Criminal Justice Revolution. He's Exceeding Expectations (https://theintercept.com/2018/03/20/larry-krasner-philadelphia-da/) Josie Duffy-Rice on Twitter (https://twitter.com/jduffyrice) 10% of U.S. Counties Now 'Majority-Minority' (https://www.prb.org/majority-minority/) Cover art credit: Toby Hudson (public domain, from Wikimedia Commons) Special Guest: Josie Duffy Rice.
Wednesday on The Gist, John Pfaff refuted the conventional wisdom about mass incarceration. Thursday, Pfaff explains some of the obstacles to reform. Pfaff’s book is Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration—and How to Achieve Real Reform. In the Spiel, a loyally honest review of James Comey’s testimony. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Wednesday on The Gist, John Pfaff refuted the conventional wisdom about mass incarceration. Thursday, Pfaff explains some of the obstacles to reform. Pfaff’s book is Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration—and How to Achieve Real Reform. In the Spiel, a loyally honest review of James Comey’s testimony. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Today, about 2.2 million Americans are behind bars. "The incarceration rate is about five times the rate of 1970 and our crime rate is the same as in 1970,"John Pfaff, our guest, tells us. Our guest, John Pfaff of Fordham University is both a law professor and an economist. Author of "Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration—and How to Achieve Real Reform," he says state and local policies matter far more than changes in the federal system. Do you want to know more? Check out our website: http://www.howdowefixit.me/ See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
John Pfaff is on a mission to topple the well-worn myths of the U.S. prison population boom. He says the data tells us to focus on the district attorneys, not the Department of Justice. Pfaff teaches at Fordham University School of Law and is the author of Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform. This is Part I of our interview with Pfaff -- listen tomorrow for Part II. In the Spiel, how are YOU celebrating Infrastructure Week? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
John Pfaff is on a mission to topple the well-worn myths of the U.S. prison population boom. He says the data tells us to focus on the district attorneys, not the Department of Justice. Pfaff teaches at Fordham University School of Law and is the author of Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform. This is Part I of our interview with Pfaff -- listen tomorrow for Part II. In the Spiel, how are YOU celebrating Infrastructure Week? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Sarah, Ezra, and Matt talk about the real causes of mass incarceration, Trump's move to roll back contraceptive coverage, and the mysterious world of high-end credit cards.Links!German Lopez’s piece about John Pfaff’s “Locked in” Mark A.R. Kleiman, Angela Hawken, and Ross Halperin on graduated reentry as prison reform.Today’s white paper, "Status Goods: Experimental Evidence from Platinum Credit Cards" Our Weeds in the Wild Episode about birth control Ezra Klein’s conversation with Chris Hayes about “A Colony in a Nation” Jon Bois excellent video, The Dumbest Boy in the WorldBooks!"Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration" by John Pfaff"The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness" by Michelle Alexander"A Colony in a Nation" by Chris Hayes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
There is a growing consensus that America imprisons too many people. Americans constitute 5 percent of the world’s population and yet we hold nearly one quarter of its prisoners. In his new book, Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform, law professor John Pfaff argues that the War on Drugs and other federal policies receive outsized attention in the popular movements for criminal justice reform while local institutional actors go virtually unmentioned. According to Pfaff, the charging decisions of local prosecutors have been a key driver of prison growth since the early 1990s. Please join us for a lively discussion about police, prosecutors, sentencing, and our burgeoning prison population. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
All across these United States, we put lots and lots of people in jail. Is that a good thing? Or are there costs, not all of them monetary, that we need to take into account? John Pfaff, a professor at Fordham Law School, thinks that maybe, just maybe, there's a problem here that needs addressing. He’s written a book, "Locked In: The True Causes of Mass Incarceration and How to Achieve Real Reform," in which he discusses both the problems with imprisoning so many people, and some ways to stop doing so much of it.