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In this conversation recorded for Washington Post Live on Dec. 6, actor Adrienne Warren and creator & show runner Marissa Jo Cerar discuss their new series, “Black Cake,” and dig into the intergenerational, intersectional story of a Black American family learning the truth about their mother after her death. Warren and Cerar also touch on the importance of showing stories of Black and Brown people that are not about the civil rights movements, slavery or oppression, and why the story could only be adapted as a series, not a film.

During the election in 2020 Democrats claimed if Black Americans voted for them they would do police reform. Fast forward to 2023 it ended up being a bold faced lie. Another Black man almost met the same fate of George Floyd in Reform, Alabama. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/support

Can equitable real estate development organization Parity help solve Baltimore's empty housing problem and build Black wealth? Founder Bree Jones and her backers are making it happen. According to a profile in Baltimore Magazine, Bree Jones counts herself among a generation of young Black Americans who are being spurred to activism by high-profile killings of unarmed Black people. These are people who demand accountability on issues involving race, violence, and equality in the U.S. For Bree Jones, a central solution is revitalizing neighborhoods – without gentrification. Her organization, Parity, a non-profit equitable real estate development company, is working in Baltimore to do just that. Visit https://www.parityhomes.com/ for more information.  In this episode of The Health Disparities Podcast, Bree Jones tells the story of Parity, and discusses why building Black wealth and impacting social determinants is so important to health, and why so many high profile investors are getting behind the initiative.  With host Dr. Michelle Leak, Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville, Florida,  and member of the board of directors for Movement is Life.  The Health Disparities Podcast is a program of Movement is Life. This episode was recorded live and in person at Movement is Life's annual health equity summit. The theme this year was “Bridging the Health Equity Gap in Vulnerable Communities.” (c) Movement is Life 2023  

VP Kamala Harris recently took a picture that said a thousand words that explained what minority really mean for us in Black America. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/support

I went to the Democrat Party website to see what they were fighting for. After reading the website it was clear that Black Americans aren't their priority. Now we understand why Mayor Brandon Johnson has moved in the manner he moves. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/support

Welcome to this episode of Visual Intonation, that delves deep into the vibrant tapestry of Black culture, art, and spirituality through the eyes of Kendall “Pow Wow” Chambers, an American artist renowned for his unique “Kenfolk Art” style. We journey from Los Angeles to Atlanta, exploring how these cities have influenced Kendall's artistic expression and understanding of Blackness in America.  This episode unpacks the rich narratives embedded in Kendall's work, from the cultures and taboos to the spiritual practices and remedies of the original American people. Kendall shares his insights on how his art serves as a medium to uplift and celebrate family bonds, values, and morals deeply rooted in Black communities.  We discuss the different modalities of Blackness, how it shapes Kendall's artistic vision, and the role of “Kenfolk Art” in preserving and highlighting the heritage and experiences of Black Americans. We'll explore the symbolism behind his paintings, the stories they tell, and the profound impact they have on viewers.  Join us as we navigate the intersections of culture, spirituality, and art, uncovering the layers of meaning in Kendall's work. "Kenfolk Art" is more than just an art show; it's a canvasing celebration of Blackness, a tribute to family, and a journey of discovery into the heart of American culture.  Whether you're an art enthusiast, a lover of Black culture, or someone who appreciates deep, thoughtful conversations, "Kenfolk Art" promises to be an enlightening and enriching experience. Tune in and be part of this journey with Kendall “Pow Wow” Chambers, as we paint a picture of Black America through the lens of “Kenfolk Art.” Visual Intonation Website: https://www.visualintonations.com/Visual Intonation Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/visualintonation/Vante Gregory's Website: vantegregory.comVante Gregory's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/directedbyvante/ To support me on Patreon (thank you): patreon.com/visualintonations Tiktok: www.tiktok.com/@visualintonation Tiktok: www.tiktok.com/@directedbyvante

Hi readers! Our fourth season has ended, and we're preparing for year five (CAN YOU BELIEVE IT?!). In the meantime, we're revisiting our favorite episodes from the past and sharing them again with all of you. This week is for the LAMBLY. Mariah Carey is a girl from New York State with Irish and Black American roots. She has a father, mother, brother, and sister but no family.  What she does have is the following: The most weeks at number one on Billboard's Hot 100 Chart for any artist in American history 19 number-one singles – second only to the Beatles The honor of being the only artist to have a number-one single in each year of a decade (!!!) The honor of being the first female artist to debut at number one in the States 5 Grammy Awards 19 World Music Awards 10 American Music Awards 15 Billboard Music Awards A place in the Songwriters Hall of Fame When people had to save up, wake up, stand in line, and wait to hear their favorite artist, they bought her albums by the MILLIONS. Her talent is undeniable.    This is the story of Mariah, aka Me-Me, the Elusive Chanteuse, aka M.C. The Meaning of Mariah is a memoir by one of our generation's greatest singer/songwriters. Within its pages, she talks about the people who almost killed her, tried to get her hooked on drugs, tried to get her pimped, and tried to kill her dreams - all before she turned 18 years old. She also gives her honest opinion regarding her triumphs and failures and the cast of people who opened their hearts to let her in when those tasked with the job failed to be reliable.   Please enjoy this, the final episode of our 2020 season, originally airing November 19th, 2020. Alexis and Kari    

The fall out of the Biden/Harris admininstration not doing anything specific for their largest voting bloc spells trouble in 2024. Black voters have seen the Biden/Harris administration give tangibles to every community except the Black American community. We have seen the benign neglect and will remember that next year. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/support

The Biden administration has committed over $1B to migrants in the signed Los Angeles Declaration On Migration & Protection. Black Americans have been calling for reparations and protection. How can Black voters support this administration when they openly disrespect us? --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/support

In episode 43 we welcome back CARLA L. PETERSON (from Ep. 28), author of the 2011 book  “Black Gotham: A Family History of African Americans in Nineteenth-Century New York City.” Carla takes us inside the parties, pleasures, and fashionable lifestyles of New York's Black middle class of the 19th century, and how the philsophy of "taste" informed the lives of that century's Black American elite. We also talk about how the separate and elite lives of 19th century New York “old money,” “new money,” and the Black elite are interpreted for the HBO series, THE GILDED AGE. Carla's book, “Black Gotham,” served as a resource for the creation of the Scott family in THE GILDED AGE now in its second season. THE GILDED AGE is created by Julian Fellowes (DOWNTON ABBEY). Content note: The word “colored” is used in its African American historical context. Download the TRANSCRIPT for Ep. 43 from this link⁠⁠.⁠⁠ PLEASE NOTE: TRANSCRIPTS ARE GENERATED USING A COMBINATION OF SPEECH RECOGNITION SOFTWARE AND HUMAN TRANSCRIBERS, AND MAY CONTAIN ERRORS. ---------- TIMESTAMPS 04:24 Taste in 19th century African American community 08:48 Taste, morality, and community in 19th century Manhattan (New York) 14:31 Fashion as linguistic code 19:12 Black pleasure in 19th century New York 24:47 Art and social status in 19th century New York 35:41 BREAK 37:06 Education and Black Upward Mobility 44:51 Tuskegee Institute/Booker T. Washington and The Talented Tenth/W.E.B. DuBois 48:38 Race, identity and strategic passing 53:12 Upstairs/Downstairs and Capital/Labor Plots 1:01 What if a Scott Family sequel 1:06:04 Where to watch THE GILDED AGE STAY ENGAGED with HISTORICAL DRAMA WITH THE BOSTON SISTERS ⁠LISTEN⁠ to past past podcasts starting with the guests featured in this bonus episode ⁠SIGN UP⁠ for our mailing list SUBSCRIBE to the podcast on your favorite podcast platform You can SUPPORT this podcast on ⁠Spotify⁠ or⁠ SHOP THE PODCAST⁠ on our affiliate bookstore Thank you for listening! --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/historicaldramasisters/support

n our FBI, there are many good people in the field and, there is also a rot in the FBI at the very top. There are some things they can't guarantee, such as whether those coming across the southern border aren't part of terrorist organizations. On the other hand, there is a very dangerous terrorist flying on our airplanes. I know this because the federal government has labeled him a terrorist. He is not yet one year old. He is a baby but happens to be the son of a man who was near Washington D.C. on January 6th. Show me your budget and I will show you your priorities. They can't guarantee that terrorists are not coming in from our southern border, but they can make sure that Amish farmers aren't wrongly processing meat. We hear more from an Amish farmer who was sabotaged by his government and hear the statements from a Nobel Prize laureate in physics who says that the planet is not in peril. We discuss the wicked kings of the Bible and how it relates to those who seek to be wicked kings today.What does God's Word say? Wicked kings in the BibleIt is very sad that, though King Saul started well as a humble man, he degenerated later to become a tyrant and a vicious manhunter who destroyed the lives of many. King Saul was a Benjaminite and the son of Kish. His sense of insecurity and his fit of jealousy and hatred for David drove him to commit serious atrocities against innocent people. King Saul was told by Doeg, the Edomite, that David had been to Nob and the priest Ahimelech had helped him, giving him provisions and the sword of Goliath and inquiring of the Lord for him. On hearing that, King Saul sent for Ahimelech and his entire family, the household of his father Ahitub; and they came to Saul at Gibeah. And King Saul, after interrogating them, commanded Doeg, the Edomite, to kill them. And Doeg fell on Ahimelech and the entire members of his family – the household of Ahitub, killing eighty-five priests on that day. That still did not quench Saul's thirst for revenge; further, Saul attacked Nob, the city of the priests, and put to the sword both men and women, children and infants, oxen, donkeys, and sheep. Only Abiathar the son of Ahimelech escaped the massacre to inform David. Such a wicked deed makes King Saul a wicked king. Bible reference 1 Samuel 22:6-9Episode 1,238 Links:The polls keep getting worse for Biden; Trump's vote share in national polls is higher than at any time in the past year.Democrat Rep. Jamaal Bowman says Biden is losing support among Black Americans because there has been "no conversation at all about reparations"The FBI cannot guarantee to the American people that Hamas or members of other terrorist groups are not numbered among the estimated 2 million + got-aways that have entered our country. More from my questions to FBI Director WrayInfant Son of J6 Defendant Placed on Quiet Skies Suspected Terrorist Watchlist. This is pure revenge stuff here."There have been 66 attacks by Iranian-backed militia groups on U.S. coalition forces since October 17. Why aren't these U.S. counterstrikes working as a deterrence strategy?" Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh: "We have days sometimes where we don't have attacks"Whistleblowers: FBI Purging Bureau of Religious Conservatives, Military Vets, Trump SupportersThe raiding of Amish farms by the Federal Government is saving exactly WHO?Croatian MEP, Mislav Kolakušić, doesn't hold back in exposing the WEF's 'Great Reset' agenda, in the EU parliament:4Patriots https://4Patriots.com/Todd See this week's discounts and deals before they are gone and get free shipping on orders over $97. 4Patriots.com/Todd Alan's Soaps https://alanssoaps.com/TODD Use coupon code ‘TODD' to save an additional 10% off the bundle price. BiOptimizers https://bioptimizers.com/todd Use promo code TODD for 10% off your order plus up to $100 of free product with purchase. Bonefrog https://bonefrogcoffee.com/todd Enter promo code TODD at checkout to receive 10% off your first purchase and save 15% on subscriptions. Bulwark Capital https://KnowYourRiskRadio.com Sign up for the final FREE Live Webinar of the year at KnowYourRiskRadio.com Space is limited. HumanN http://americalovesbeets.com Get a free 30-day supply of Superbeets Heart Chews and a free full-sized bag of Turmeric Chews only at http://americalovesbeets.com SOTA Weight Loss https://sotaweightloss.com SOTA Weight Loss is, say it with me now, STATE OF THE ART! GreenHaven Interactive Digital Marketing https://greenhaveninteractive.com Your Worldclass Website Will Get Found on Google!

Willie Mae “Big Mama” Thornton was a Black American blues singer with a unique style and a powerful voice. She helped shape rock and roll as we know it today. This podcast is a production of Rebel Girls. It's based on the book series Good Night Stories for Rebel Girls. This story was produced by Deborah Goldstein with sound design and mixing by Reel Audiobooks. It was written by Apryl Lee and edited by Abby Sher. Fact-checking by Joe Rhatigan. Narration by Krystal Ramseur. Original theme music was composed and performed by Elettra Bargiacchi. Our executive producers are Joy Smith and Jes Wolfe. Thank you to the whole Rebel Girls team who make this podcast possible. Stay rebel!

Relationship Capital is the ignitor to the flame of difference when your attempting to establish a sense of allyship and understanding.  When attempting to travel down a road less travelled and connect with others.  When it comes to: Trust in America: Do Americans trust the police?  Here are some findings from the Pew Research Center. The relationship between the public and police across the United States was brought into sharp focus over the course of 2020 and 2021 following the high-profile killings of several Black Americans by police, including George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, and the worldwide protests that followed. The Center reports only 10% of young black teens and adults believe they'll be treated fairly by police as compared to 18% of Hispanic youth and 16% of Asians who were asked the same question.  The highest level of trust came from whites at a clip of 32% Therefore, I am motivated  to ask the question what's the key to bridging the gap and providing the police and the youth they serve with better camaraderie between the two parties? For some in depth answers to this very question I want to tell you about the Teen And Police Service Academy. The Teen And Police Service Academy (TAPS) was founded in 2011 by the late Chief Brian Lumpkin and Criminologist, Dr. Everette Penn. At the time, the Houston Police Department was granted funds to create a program that would enhance and build a more trusting relationship between teens and police in Houston. Chief Lumpkin, Dr. Penn, and Officer Mott took on this mission and worked collaboratively to build out the TAPS Academy program. In the Spring of 2012, the first Teen And Police Service Academy was launched at Beechnut Academy, a Houston Independent School District alternative school. Data showed there were dramatic positive behavioral changes between youth and police among those who participated in the program. Now, TAPS Academy is a 501-C-3 non-profit organization and has expanded into more than 30 schools nationwide. A distinct component of the program is that TAPS Academy-trained officers spearhead the lessons. Giving law enforcement and the youth a unique chance to get to know each other on equal footing, in order to exchange ideas and learn from each other while also learning an array of life-building skills such as drug and alcohol prevention, conflict resolution, the importance of mental health, safe driving, service learning and more. Currently, TAPS Academy provides 5 programs: TAPS Academy, an 11-week curriculum-based program, TEENPOL – a TEA-accredited class in Texas, TAPS Clubs, Summer Leadership Workshops, and the SB-30 Community Safety Course. Dr. Everette B. Penn is the Co-Founder and Executive Director of the Teen and Police Service (TAPS) Academy in Houston, Texas. TAPS Academy's mission is to bridge the gap between youth and police and reduce crime through education, skill building, and service-learning TAPS Academy's TeenPol program is a Texas Education Agency approved curriculum which grants one high school credit to students upon completion. TAPS Academy reaches over 1,500 youth annually internationally. Dr. Penn joined me this week to tell me more.   For more information: https://www.tapsacademy.org/ Follow: @tapsacademy Call: (832) .525-1560

The five remaining celebs perform twice on the semi-finals episode of Dancing With the Stars. On the new episode of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Monica finds a sympathetic ear in Mary. The documentary South to Black Power centers on columnist Charles M. Blow's book and the reverse migration of Black Americans to the South to upend political power structures. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Many people are aware of the injustices Black Americans have suffered over the centuries but feel powerless when it comes to repairing the harm done. This week, Mark talks with Rev. Dr. Robert Turner about his personal journey and experiences; racial healing through peaceful means; his upcoming Book, Creating A Culture of Repair - Taking Action on the Road to Reparations; and how all souls need to come together if we are going to heal from our collective trauma caused by racial injustice.

The beginning of the Civil Rights Movement is often dated to sometime in the middle of the 1950s, but the roots of it stretch back much further. The NAACP, which calls itself “the nation's largest and most widely recognized civil rights organization,” was founded near the beginning of the 20th Century, on February 12, 1909. As today's guest demonstrates, though, Black Americans were exercising civil rights far earlier than that, in many cases even before the Civil War.  Joining me in this episode is Dr. Dylan C. Penningroth is a professor of law and history and Associate Dean of the Program in Jurisprudence and Social Policy at the University of California–Berkeley and author of Before the Movement: The Hidden History of Black Civil Rights. Our theme song is Frogs Legs Rag, composed by James Scott and performed by Kevin MacLeod, licensed under Creative Commons. The mid-episode music is “Hopeful Piano,” by Oleg Kyrylkovv, available via the Pixabay license. The episode image is “Spectators and witnesses on second day of Superior Court during trial of automobile accident case during court week in Granville County Courthouse, Oxford, North Carolina,” by Marion Post Wolcott, photographed in 1939; the photograph is in the public domain and available via the Library of Congress Prints & Photographs Division, Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information Black-and-White Negatives. Additional Sources: “8 Key Laws That Advanced Civil Rights,” by Mehrunnisa Wani, History.com, January 26, 2022. “The Reconstruction Amendments: Official Documents as Social History,” by Eric Foner, The Gilder Lehrman Institute of American History. “(1865) Reconstruction Amendments, 1865-1870,” BlackPast. “14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution: Civil Rights (1868),” U.S. National Archives. “March 27, 1866: Veto Message on Civil Rights Legislation,” Andrew Johnson, UVA Miller Center. “Andrew Johnson and the veto of the Civil Rights Bill,” National Park Service. “Grant signs KKK Act into law, April 20, 1871,” by Andrew Glass, Politico, April 20, 2019. “Looking back at the Ku Klux Klan Act,” by Nicholas Mosvick, National Constitution Center, April 20, 2021. “Reconstruction and Its Aftermath,” Library of Congress The African American Odyssey: A Quest for Full Citizenship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Bakari Sellers is joined by journalist, commentator and op-ed columnist for the New York Times to discuss the reverse migration of Black Americans to the South (:53), defining the American South (10:31), and the new documentary film ‘South to Black Power' (13:24). Host: Bakari Sellers Guest: Charles Blow Producer: Donnie Beacham Jr. Executive Producer: Jarrod Loadholt Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When the MacArthur Foundation named its class of 2023 “genius grant" fellows last month, the recipients joined an exclusive group of previous fellows who have demonstrated outstanding talent and leadership in their fields. Interdisciplinary scholar and writer Imani Perry is one of this year's MacArthur fellows. “I describe my work in part as haunting the past,” Perry said. “I'm trying to train my attention on those who were disregarded in the past as a way of shaping our ethics for the present and the future. So it's sort of like trying to catch a hold of freedom, dreams that have existed over the course of generations, train my gaze and shine a light on them.” Perry, who is also a Boston University professor, studies the history and the cultural expressions forged by Black Americans in the face of injustice. There are 20 MacArthur fellows across the country, and Perry is one of four based in the Boston area. We talked with professor Perry for Under the Radar's series, “The Genius Next Door.”

In the penultimate episode in our series on the great essays, David talks about Ta-Nehisi Coates's ‘The Case for Reparations', published in the Atlantic in 2014. Black American life has been marked by injustice from the beginning: this essay explores what can – and what can't – be done to remedy it, from slavery to the housing market, from Mississippi to Chicago. Plus, what has this story got to do with the origins of the state of Israel?Read the original essay here. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Yves is back to share the story of Dr. Susan Smith McKinney Steward, the first Black American woman to earn a medical doctorate in New York state.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

In December 2020, Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian and his leadership team were reviewing the decision to join the OneTen coalition, where he and 36 other CEOs committed to recruiting, hiring, training, and advancing one million Black Americans over the next ten years into family-sustaining jobs. But, how do you ensure everyone has equal access to opportunity within an organization?

Hoodoo's origin lies in resistance and survival. Developed by enslaved Black Americans during the antebellum South, Hoodoo, Rootwork, and Conjure practitioners provided medical care and protection. These practices continued to evolve under the continued injustices of Jim Crow and moved North with Black Americans during the Great Migration. And they flourish to this day, foundational to many distinctly American practices, from mixing peace water to crafting spell candles.

Today, we're introducing our Radiotopia Presents listeners to a brand new show out now from PRX. It's called What's Ray Saying?.  In this first episode from the newest season, Ray Christian looks at the history of Black medicine and to better understand the treatment of the ills, injuries and minds of Black Americans, he reflects on his first experience of going to the doctor. What's Ray Saying? is created, hosted, and written by Ray Christian and recorded in the great state of North Carolina. Mark Pagán is the senior producer. Jonathan Cabral is the associate producer. Story editing by Mark Pagán with development support from The Moth. Sound design by Rebecca Seidel. Original music comes from RJ Christian and Blue Dot Sessions. To find out more about What Ray's Saying? visit us on Facebook, Twitter, or at whatraysaying.com. This series is supported by PRX, The Moth, and listeners like you.

Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson attempted to get the NAACP and preachers to calm down Black Americans calling out his handling of the migrant crisis in the city. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/support

Black Wallstreet Today welcomes Sia Alexander. Pure Lagos African Arts Initiative is working in tandem with the Bells Mill Historical and Research Society to liberate the minds and hearts of the Tidewater, VA community and beyond with respect to the legacy of the Transatlantic trade in human beings. Our mission is to utilize creative artistic expression to heal the wounds of the past. We highlight brilliant West African artists from our collective in Lagos, Nigeria and bring their contemporary works over to our Hampton Roads galleries for exhibition and sale. Many of these artists are living below the poverty line in an African nation still reeling from the after-effects of colonialism and slavery. https://www.purelagos.com/ https://www.hrgreenbook.com/k:pure+lagos Interested in sponsoring the podcast? Want to contact Blair? Info@BlackBRAND.biz . The Black Wall Street Today (BWST) radio show is focused on all things Black entrepreneurship and hosted by Virginia Tech alumnae Blair Durham, co-founder and co-President of Black BRAND. The BWST podcast is produced by using selected audio from the radio show and other Black BRAND events. BWST is the media outlet for Black BRAND. Black BRAND is a 501(c)(3) organization that stands for Business Research Analytics Networking and Development. We are Hampton Roads Regional Black Chamber of Commerce. We promote group economics through professional development and community empowerment, and we unify the black dollar by providing financial literacy, entrepreneurship training, and networking resources!   http://blackbrand.biz   m.me/blackwallstreettoday  +  info@blackbrand.biz  +  (757) 541-2680 Instagram: www.instagram.com/blackbrandbiz/ + Facebook: www.facebook.com/blackbrandbiz/     Produced by Seko Varner for Positive Vibes Inc. http://www.PositiveVibes.net Find Black Owned Businesses in the 757: www.HRGreenbook.com $20k - $90K of business funding - https://mbcapitalsolutions.com/positive-vibes-consulting/ Money for your business: https://davidallencapital.com/equipment-financing?u=&u=PositiveVibes Money for Real Estate Investments:  https://PositiveVibesConsulting.com Purify yourself, house, and environment to remain safe: https://www.vollara.com/PositiveVibes Invest in stocks via STASH: https://get.stashinvest.com/sekosq72j  Fix your credit: https://positivevibes.myecon.net/my-credit-system/ Raise money with Republic: https://republic.com/raise/i/jpdajr    Melanin, Black History, B1, Black First, ADOS, Foundational Black American, African, Indigenous, Virginia, Underground Railroad, Slavery, America, Black Enterprise, Norfolk, Richmond, Africa, Cupid Shuffle, Gospel Music, Moorish, Negro Spirituals, Stay Woke, Black History Month, Christian, Noble Drew Ali, Malcolm X, Ebony, African American, Entrepreneur, #GetOnCode, Tone Talks, Black American, Afrisynergy News, Black People, Nubian, Empowerment Agenda, BlackWallStreet, Black Wall Street, theWE, Hampton Roads Greenbook --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/black-wall-street-today/message

One of the most contentious Supreme Court decisions in United States history, Scott v. Sanford effectively robbed Black Americans of recognition as citizens. So just who was Dred Scott? And how did his court case impact the millions of Black Americans living in the country at the time? Tune in and find out. For source material, transcripts, and ways you can support the show, please visit the website at www.civicsandcoffee.com

Boule Martin has started the fear mongering about the election next year. He claimed if Trump and the Republicans get elected the country will look like Texas and Florida. The problem with his logic is Californians are fleeing to Texas in droves according to the Los Angeles Times. --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/phillipscottpodcast/support

Pre-Show: Lyall talks post show interactions, Hasan Minhaj having too many white fans and Black people that don't sound right saying the N-word. Lyall Behrens talks Diddy allegations, Michael Rapport & Black Americans role in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Drake's new EP and Andre 3000 making meditation music.   --- Send in a voice message: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lyall-behrens7/message Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/lyall-behrens7/support

Our series Full Bio returns, and this month we are focusing on the life of pioneering playwright August Wilson, who won the Pulitzer Prize for Drama twice, and whose plays focus on the life of Black Americans in the 20th century. Biographer Patti Hartigan joins us for a deep dive into her book, August Wilson: A Life. On day four, we speak about the end of Wilson's life and his enduring legacy.

Harmonizing History: Judith Tick Unveils the Untold Story of Ella Fitzgerald, Jazz's Transformative Voice The Not Old Better Show, Smithsonian Associates Art of Living Interview Welcome to The Not Old Better Show on radio and podcast. I'm Paul Vogelzang, and today's show is part of our Smithsonian Associates Art of Living Interview series. Today we're diving into the melodious world of jazz with an enthralling discussion about one of its most iconic figures. Our guest is the distinguished music historian and Smithsonian Associate, Judith Tick.  Smithsonian Associate Judith Tick will be appearing at Smithsonian Associates coming up…Please check out our Show Notes today for more details. Judith Tick's meticulous research breathes new life into Ella's story, Becoming Ella Fitzgerald: The Jazz Singer Who Transformed American Song, available Dec. 3, 2023. Drawing on a treasure trove of digital records from influential Black newspapers like the Baltimore Afro-American and the Chicago Defender, Judith Tick shares resources previously untapped by biographers, providing us with a fresh and profound understanding of Fitzgerald's journey.  We'll hear about her iconic performances at venues like the Apollo Theater and the Savoy Ballroom, her collaborations with giants like Chick Webb and Nelson Riddle, and her complex relationship with record labels, but let's listen as Judith Tick reads from her new book about Chick Webb's orbit. Judith Tick tells us today that the biography is more than a chronicle of dates and events. It's an exploration of how Fitzgerald, a groundbreaking Black American woman singer and bandleader, navigated and transformed the worlds of jazz and pop. Tick takes us through Ella's early days, her rise to stardom, and her unique ability to expand her audience across cultural divides. So, join us as we uncover the layers of Ella Fitzgerald's artistry and her profound impact on the American music scene. Whether you're a casual fan of jazz, a music historian, or an ardent admirer of Fitzgerald's talent, this conversation promises to be as masterful and wonderful as its subject. Stay tuned for a journey through the life and legacy of the incomparable Ella Fitzgerald. My thanks to Smithsonian Associate Judith Tick.  Judith Tick will be appearing at Smithsonian Associates Interview Series coming up.  Please check out our website and show notes today for more details.  Judith Tick's new book, Becoming Ella Fitzgerald: The Jazz Singer Who Transformed American Song, available Dec. 3, 2023.  And my thanks to the Smithsonian team for all they do to support the show.  My thanks to you, my wonderful audience here on radio and podcast.  Please be well, be safe, and Let's Talk About Better© The Not Old Better Show.  Thanks, everybody, and we'll see you next week. For more information, please click here on Smithsonian Associates:  https://smithsonianassociates.org/ticketing/tickets/becoming-ella-fitzgerald

Our series Full Bio returns, and this month we are focusing on the life of pioneering playwright August Wilson, who won the Pulitzer Prize for Drama twice, and whose plays focus on the life of Black Americans in the 20th century. Biographer Patti Hartigan joins us for a deep dive into her book, August Wilson: A Life. On day three, we speak about the drama surrounding "Fences" and Wilson's success on Broadway.

I had the great joy to do my first ever live edition of Sticky Notes last month with the Aalborg Symphony in Denmark. For this concert, I chose a piece that is extremely close to my heart, Dvorak's New World Symphony. The story of the New World Symphony is a fascinating one. The symphony was the result of an extraordinary series of events, with Dvorak coming to America in 1892, meeting the great singer Harry Burleigh, and falling in love with a totally new, to him, genre of music: Black American and Native American folk music. Listening to Burleigh and other voices around America, Dvorak had discovered a new “American” sound for his music, and even though he would end up staying in the US for just three years, in that time he composed two of his most popular pieces, the American String Quartet, and the New World Symphony But of course, the New World Symphony isn't really an American piece. It is a piece written in America by a Czech composer, which means it embodies traits from both sides of the Atlantic.  Moments of Black American influence elide into Czech Slavonic Dances and back again with incredible ease.  All along the way, Dvorak infuses his highly traditional symphonic style with this "American" sound, a sound that enraptured the public from the very first time they heard it, and remains both incredibly popular and incredibly moving, today. Join myself and the Aalborg Symphony for this exploration of the symphony, followed by a complete performance. I'm extremely grateful to the Danish Radio for allowing me to use this performance for the show. 

Episode 120 Today we are joined by Dr Emily Smith to talk about epidemiology, the dangers of truth telling, and how the story of the Good Samaritan changed everything for her.  She is an assistant professor in the department of emergency medicine/surgery at Duke University and at the Duke Global Health Institute (DGHI). During the COVID-19 pandemic, she became known as the Friendly Neighbor Epidemiologist through her social media outlets which reached over 10 million people in 2020-2021. She continues posting on the social account and her Substack blog with a monthly reach of 2-4 million. Her work has been featured in TIME Magazine, NPR, the Washington Post, Christianity Today, and Baptist News Global. Before joining the faculty at Duke University, she spent four years at Baylor University in the department of public health and was a research scholar at DGHI for two years. She received her Ph.D. in epidemiology from the Gillings School of Global Public Health at UNC Chapel Hill and a MSPH from the University of South Carolina.  She has been married to her pastor-husband for 20 years and they have two fantastic children, one spoiled golden retriever and a new very-friendly golden doodle puppy. Her debut book, The Science of the Good Samaritan: Thinking Bigger About Loving Our Neighbors, released on Oct. 24, 2023 from Zondervan. I'm very excited to welcome Dr. Emily Smith to the show today.    Support this podcast on Patreon at https://www.patreon.com/DowntheWormholepodcast   More information at https://www.downthewormhole.com/   produced by Zack Jackson music by Zack Jackson and Barton Willis    AI Generated Transcript Ian (00:04.911) Okay. So our guest today is an assistant professor in the department of emergency medicines surgery at Duke university and at the Duke global health Institute. During the COVID-19 pandemic, she became known as the friendly neighbor epidemiologist through her social media outlets, which reached over 10 million people in 2020 and 2021. She continues posting on the social account and her sub stack blog with a monthly reach of two to 4 million people. Her work has been featured in Time Magazine, NPR, The Washington Post, Christianity Today, and Baptist News Global. Before joining the faculty at Duke University, she spent four years at Baylor University in the Department of Public Health and was a research scholar at DGHI for two years. She received her PhD in epidemiology from the Gillings School of Global Public Health at UNC Chapel Hill and MSPH from the University of South Carolina. She's been married to her pastor husband for 20 years and they have two fantastic children. one spoiled golden retriever and a newly and a new very friendly golden doodle puppy. Her debut book, the science of the good Samaritan thinking bigger, bigger about loving our neighbors released on October 24th, 2023. I'm very excited to welcome Dr. Emily Smith to the show today. Emily Smith (01:15.144) I'm very excited to welcome you all. Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here for sure. Ian (01:21.518) Yeah. Um, as I was saying before we started recording, you know, I've found you because of your Facebook account and was just always amazed, obviously with your expertise in the science and, um, everything you were sharing, but also your lens as an evangelical Christian. Um, I thought that was really fascinating and trying to work with those two communities, right? Trying to kind of be a boundary, uh, spanning individual for that. But I think before we really get into that. Emily Smith (01:43.734) Yeah. Ian (01:50.162) I would love for you to just kind of talk to us a little bit about what drew you to epidemiology. Emily Smith (01:56.476) Yes, and prior to the pandemic, I don't think a lot of people knew what that word meant. By the way, it's seven syllables, and so throw that into a Thanksgiving meal or something if you need a big word to kind of wow family with. But, you know, people would get us confused with skin doctors, like epidermis instead of epidemics, or entomology, which I think is bugs, right? Yeah, it's just another really big E word. I don't know. So now... Zack Jackson (02:00.95) Ha ha ha. Ian (02:19.548) It is. Yes. Zack Jackson (02:19.756) Yeah. Emily Smith (02:26.068) People know kind of what we are and who we're about just because we've all come out of the pandemic. So if you need the nerdy, jeopardy definition of what that is, before I get into how I got into the field, is the distribution and determinants of disease. And so what makes a disease spread and who is at risk? I tend to say, you know, clinicians and nurses and dentists, they... focus on one-on-one patients at a time, and we focus on one community or population level at a time, so the aggregate of a lot of individuals. I grew up in a tiny town in Eastern New Mexico, 10 miles from the Texas border, so it is West Texas culture, flat land, great sunsets and oil fields, and really good people. But it was a really small town and a lovely town. And I just was always loved science. My eighth grade science teacher started talking about DNA and y'all would have thought he was talking about Beyonce or something. I was just like, what is this? And it's magic. And so he gave me a college textbook. This is as nerdy as it gets. Now it's kind of cool to be a nerd back then in the 90s. I guarantee it was not near as cool to wear glasses. Yeah. Zack Jackson (03:44.687) Ugh. Right? Emily Smith (03:48.5) So he, and I read it, I read it on a band trip, which is like double nerd points. But I just loved science and math. I don't know what it was, but he hooked me up with the first female scientist that I had ever met at Texas Tech University. And I started doing a science fair project with her in high school, because there really wasn't the capacity to do anything like that, you know, at my traditional high school, because it was too small. Ian (03:48.514) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (04:16.668) And so I still thought I'm going to do something in science, but I had also grown up in the church and our family hosted a lot of missionaries that came into our church. And so I heard their stories. They were very gracious to listen to an eight-year-old, nine-year-old little questions about the world and their adventures. So early on, I knew I wanted to do, I thought I wanted to be a missionary and I still just love the science. And so I went to church. The natural way to do that is go pre-med. I kind of thought the only way to do that is through medical school, so let's just do that. So I did, I chose medical school as a goal and took the MCAT, I got into med school, got married straight out of college to my pastor husband, and his first job in the church was all the way across the country in South Carolina. So I had a gap year. Ian (04:50.218) Mm. Zack Jackson (04:50.222) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (05:13.506) Hmm. Emily Smith (05:15.872) And I, I mean, I'm just a nerd, so I decided let's just get another degree because it's what we do when we have a gap year, right? Yeah, I mean, yeah, a lot of people might as well. Yeah. And it was in public health because I thought it'd look good for medical school. Day one of epidemiology, my professor, who was really just inspirational anyways, he did the jeopardy definition of epi. But then he said, this is a... Ian (05:22.764) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (05:23.932) Right. Ian (05:25.748) Not as well. Emily Smith (05:44.192) This is an equity science because most of the time we're gonna be working at people who are on the margins in these communities that are marginalized for health or poverty. And growing up in the church, it just clicked in my mind that that's the science of the Good Samaritan. It's quantifying the people who are most at need and then choosing not to walk by. So I didn't go to medical school, went to PhD in Epi instead and history from there. But I... I also remember going to my first mission trip on the Mercy Ship to Honduras. And when the doctors were focusing one-on-one on these people who had traveled a very long way to get to care, I was naturally asking the bigger picture questions about poverty or why this community has such high rates of... you know, diabetes or surgical needs when others didn't. And those are inherently epi questions. I just didn't know it at the time. Ian (06:45.983) That's interesting. Zack Jackson (06:48.766) Yeah. So you mentioned this is the science of the Good Samaritan, which is, uh, the title of your newly released book. Congratulations. Has that been a story that has that clicked with you then, or is this more of a recent connecting of the dots? Has this story been in, in your heart and mind this whole time? Ian (06:48.776) Yeah. Emily Smith (06:52.662) Yeah. Emily Smith (06:58.037) Thank you. Emily Smith (07:10.172) Oh, the whole time, for sure. I love that story of the Good Samaritan. And a lot of people are familiar with it, even if you're not of the Christian faith. You know, it's that story of where there's a man on the side of the road who is very sick. I mean, sick enough, hurt enough, where he can't help himself. And two people walk by. Jesus is telling this story, by the way. And those people are noted as religious leaders. And so they're kind of the people who... Ian (07:11.913) Okay. Emily Smith (07:38.504) represent power and privilege of the day, but there's one person who actually stopped who's the Samaritan. And in that time, that would have been not who you expected to be highlighted in a story. They typically do not have the places of power or privilege in the religious time of the day, but he stopped and he helped the man. And not only that, he helped him, he bandaged him up, he took him to a place to recover, and then he paid for all of it. And it's just a holistic view of what helping, you know, true solidarity and helping means. So I think that story just growing up in the church has always very much resonated with me wanting to do missions. But then when I got into EPPE, it resonated on a scientific level. Ian (08:26.198) Interesting. I love how at the very beginning of the book, you know, you have all those little quotes before you get into the reading itself and, you know, talking, you know, from Mark, uh, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. And then you kind of go into, you know, well, this is what health is the greatest of gifts from Buddhism, perform all work carefully guided by compassion from Hinduism. Then you go on with Islam, Judaism, and then you end, which I thought was really sweet with your kid. Emily Smith (08:32.139) Yeah. Emily Smith (08:52.885) Yeah. Ian (08:54.418) love your neighbor, that's just being a good human. That really resonated with me because I'm actually teaching a science and religion class at UNC Charlotte. And I wanted it to be not a science and Christianity class. I wanted it to focus on multiple religions. And so I'm doing it for the first time. And what, I mean, yes, this is coming more from a Christian lens, but what made you even include all of that in there? Because I thought that was really interesting. Emily Smith (08:57.041) Yeah. Emily Smith (09:04.756) Yeah. Emily Smith (09:24.344) Yes, one of my biggest fears about releasing this book is it being misconstrued as a Christian faith book and making that the center of all faiths. I work with all faiths. I work in predominantly Muslim countries. I've definitely worked with all faiths during the pandemic, but then that quote with my kid at the end. You know, you don't have to be of any faith to just want to be a good human. He said that during the pandemic when he didn't understand why so many people were angry at me. Cause he lived through it. They heard and saw different things too. And so he just couldn't understand why being a good human wasn't just the top of the list for everybody. So I didn't want this book to come out even unconsciously. Zack Jackson (10:06.053) Ugh. Emily Smith (10:22.472) making people feel like you have to be of the Christian faith. That's the center of the world or the center of all faiths. Cause it's just not, there are gorgeous expressions of faith or non-faith or just being a good human around. And I wanted to be very careful in that. Also, when you read the book, you'll see that Christianity has been poorly centered for the sake of conquest or colonialism or We see it even nowadays right here in America of we need to put the 10 commandments back in a courthouse or say a prayer before football games, but that's just a Christian prayer that's not inclusive of all. And I did not wanna be one of those people that even unconsciously said you have to be a Christian because I just, I don't think you do. You're beautiful people in the world. So thank you for talking about that. It was important to start the book for me with that. Zack Jackson (10:54.766) Hmm. Ian (11:15.5) Yeah. Emily Smith (11:19.176) kind of foundation. Zack Jackson (11:21.474) Hmm. Ian (11:22.014) Yeah, I thought that, like I said, it just really resonated with me and it probably because I'm coming from the lens of the class I'm teaching. Um, you know, I am a Christian Episcopalian, but I have always been very curious and fascinated by other religious traditions and I just love learning about them. Um, and so I love that you had that in there. And I just remember right away, just running to my wife, being like, Oh, look at this. And, um, so. Emily Smith (11:28.681) Yeah. Emily Smith (11:39.232) Yeah. Emily Smith (11:45.628) Yeah, well and I also didn't want to proselytize even some unconsciously. It's just I'm not a sneak attack Christian and I don't want to view people as projects. You know, I think the evangelical church has done a really bad job at that. And it's just not in my wheelhouse. I wanted to make that very clear. Zack Jackson (11:52.523) Mm. Ian (12:02.825) Mm-hmm. Ian (12:08.787) Yeah. Zack Jackson (12:09.006) Sneak attack Christians. That's such a good phrase. That... Ian (12:11.955) It is. Emily Smith (12:13.508) People are people, not projects. Ian (12:15.56) Yeah. Zack Jackson (12:15.734) Yeah. Oh man, I got to get that on cross stitch somewhere in my house. Emily Smith (12:19.828) There you go! I like that. Ian (12:22.422) So you in here, you know, not everyone who's listening has read the book yet, but what made you decide when the pandemic started? What made you decide to create your friendly neighbor epidemiologist? Emily Smith (12:38.716) Yeah, and you know, I was at two conferences right when Wuhan was starting to ramp up in March, 2020. And we, this is our training, this is our lane. You know, this is our day to really step in and go for it. So once we saw, and when I say we, I say public health and epidemiologists, we saw how this new virus was acting and what was happening. A lot of us paid attention pretty, significantly to what was happening. Cause what was, it was different than Ebola. You know, Ebola is awful. And hopefully we'll talk about where I talk about that chapter in the book. But when someone is sick and contagious, you kind of know it. Cause it's really horrific in visual. With this, it looked like it was COVID or well, well we weren't even calling it COVID at the time. Whatever was happening. maybe people were spreading it before they even knew they were infectious and contagious. And so it could catch a lot of people off guard. My day job here at Duke is also working with health equity communities around the world in very poor countries where they're affected daily by bad access to healthcare, poverty. And so if this really was going to be the pandemic that people have been predicting for years. the margins were gonna be affected the most. So everything in me was just kind of like rising of uh-oh. So I get home and a lot of people were asking questions of what does flatten the curve mean? Do we need to buy a billion rolls of toilet paper? And the answer was always no. Oh, bye. I know, and don't hoard, that's just classic America, isn't it? But also there was a lot. Ian (14:23.158) People did it anyway though, yeah. Ian (14:29.416) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (14:30.951) Yeah. Emily Smith (14:32.412) And I, I re we all remember, I mean, this is a real fear. I do want to honor that of people who are high risk, the elderly, you know, do I need to be scared basically. And I wanted to calm fears, but not squash them because it was scary. So I decided why not, why don't I just start a Facebook page for the handful of real life neighbors that I had and like my family. Really, I mean, it was just very, very genetic, generic, not genetic. So I named it Friendly because I tend to be too friendly. Like if I sit by you on an airplane, I'm very sorry. Um, cause I, I'm, I really am anyways, it's just who I am. And I'm trying to accept that, but neighbor because of the good Samaritan story, I knew that COVID in particular was going to imply that we needed to neighbor one another well. We were going to have to take care of the margins. There's going to be a lot of solidarity of staying home for those that couldn't. Get the vaccines for those where it would not work. There just was a lot of neighboring that was going to take place. So I named it because of that. I'm also a pastor's wife. So I thought this is going to be prime time for the church, the Big C Church to be the church. And I say that, I know listeners can't hear it, but I say that with a smile, not as sarcasm, but I was so idealistic at, I really thought this was gonna be our time to shine and take care, you know, live, love thy neighbor really out in full blown faith. So I named it Friendly Neighbor Epidemiologist. And the only people that followed at the beginning were real life people that I knew. And then when the pandemic, Ian (16:13.408) Yeah. Emily Smith (16:23.676) started shifting. We all saw this when it became weirdly political. When national leaders started talking about it as the China virus or these othering type, I was going, what is happening? That is not the faith that I ascribe to. And then when it became, you know, faith that were fear, we started hearing that and people started saying that instead of wearing a mask. I was like, you have not read Galatians five in the Bible. Ian (16:37.314) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (16:47.15) Hmm. Emily Smith (16:53.192) You might say faith over fear, but that's not true faith. So I started posting about that too, from this perspective of pure science and then weaving in the faith part to try to help people anchor in a different way than perhaps they were able to anchor at their own churches. And that seemed to resonate with a lot of people for good and bad ways. So then it started going viral. George Floyd was murdered. And I talked... Zack Jackson (17:18.55) Hmm. Emily Smith (17:22.724) into that conversation at, especially in the white church, there's a difference between all lives matter and black lives matter and why that distinction is important. People couldn't understand. So it'd go viral for that. And I wasn't doing this to go viral. I don't actually think I was noticing what was happening because I was just busy writing and daily posting. And then the Capitol riot happened and I wrote about that one and that one really kind of exploded. Zack Jackson (17:29.91) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (17:47.906) Hmm. Emily Smith (17:53.748) So that's how I got into it. I'm sure we can talk about the nuances, but that's how it initially started. Ian (17:59.362) And you alluded to, you know, your children seeing the things being said about you and everything. What surprised you most as it started going viral with the reactions? Like, because you, you share some things in here and that were really challenging to read and you in there though, even said that, um, I will not share everything. And so I just, I can't imagine. Emily Smith (18:13.341) Yeah. Emily Smith (18:19.457) Really? Ian (18:30.134) the pain you went through and, but you, I love that you embraced your vulnerability with that because I also, I'll be honest. Yes, I, I am a Christian, but there are many times, especially over the last several years, and Zach knows this very well that I have a really hard time saying I'm a Christian because of the extreme baggage that comes with it. But I feel like if I say it, I have to qualify it really. And yeah, we had Brian McLaren on, um, Emily Smith (18:47.032) Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yes. Zack Jackson (18:47.054) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (18:53.98) Oh, absolutely. Ian (18:58.342) last, what, May of 22. And we talked a lot about it then as well, because it just the extreme hate that I felt like we were seeing that, I guess, has always been there. But now is more acceptable to be said. And so I'm just curious, you are I've never been a member of an evangelical Christian community in that way. And so I'm just curious what surprised you the most or if you don't mind sharing some of that. Emily Smith (19:00.52) Nice. Emily Smith (19:26.896) Yeah, yes and that you know this portion of the book the book is separated into three different sections centering cost and courage um had to be three c's like a good Baptist I guess but that middle section is the thank you for that or evangelical I grew up charismatic and married a Baptist pastor and now we go to a liturgical church so I'm not sure what I am at this point. Did you? Zack Jackson (19:39.138) Yes. Zack Jackson (19:46.531) same. Ian (19:51.925) Yeah. Zack Jackson (19:52.466) I grew up charismatic and went to a Baptist seminary and married my wife there. And then now I'm a part of a mainline denomination. So look, I'm there with you. Emily Smith (20:01.976) Maybe that's just a natural. There's a lot of us out there. Maybe that's a progression. Yeah. Are you? Yeah, I have to figure out where to, like the call and response, do I say the bold or not? Because I would get it wrong or stand and sit. I just get it wrong a lot, but whatever. The church is fine about it. So the middle cost section is the shortest part of the book. Zack Jackson (20:05.174) Yeah. I'm seeing it more and more. Yeah. Ian (20:06.559) Yeah. Emily Smith (20:27.492) It was by far the hardest to write and the hardest to read on the audio. I read the audio book and when I was recording it, I realized the, these chapters still feel so messy. Um, and it's because I just couldn't do more. I couldn't get it. I couldn't package it in a way that some of the other chapters felt pretty and tidy and bowed up. And anyways, it feels like there's a lot of ums and ohs in that chapter because it is incredibly painful. Zack Jackson (20:39.075) Hmm. Emily Smith (20:57.472) We were in Texas at the time. We were in the belly of the beast, that kind of feels like, of Waco, Texas. Great, great people there. But also the buckle of the Bible belt, probably the latch of the buckle. So what surprised me is when I started talking more and more about faith over fear, we started getting little trickles. I say we. I started getting little trickles of pushback from that online. And, you know, it's horrific stuff. It's not, I mean, you get called names and people, you know, you can put that aside. But when I started getting pictures of people sending pictures of guns and Holocaust imagery to me and saying awful things about my children, you know, threats against them, it became very real. Zack Jackson (21:45.762) Hmm. Emily Smith (21:53.5) And then one day in the middle of it, my husband came in and brought in a letter that was in our mailbox that was written in black and red marker. And it was an awful threat. And it was laced with, you know, you're part of the mark of the beast and a lot of these religious overtones, which I had heard and received for months at that point, but not in my mailbox. I mean, that is when it became too crazy. Zack Jackson (22:11.894) Oof. Ian (22:17.771) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (22:22.732) close. You know, there's a cost that was to me, but then this was going to be a cost to the whole family and to the church, to our church. We ended up leaving the faith community. That not all faith, but that one. Some of the worst threats and harassment I got were people from within my own neighborhood or people that I worshiped with. Those are the ones that I won't share because I just can't talk about it yet. Zack Jackson (22:45.451) Mm. Emily Smith (22:51.676) The book is not a COVID book because I can't talk about it for 200 pages, nor do I think people want to read about it. The cost was awful because we couldn't let our kids go walk in around the neighborhood without one of us. They had safe homes that they could go in if they ever felt scared. They don't know why we were saying that. We just said, if there's a rainstorm, run to these five homes or Ian (22:58.166) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (23:00.579) Hmm. Ian (23:11.19) Hmm. Ian (23:19.49) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (23:20.488) and they still don't know that. And that's very tender for me as a mom to have to hold. And two, at that time, it was also feeling like I was losing a foundation of faith because I grew up with Sandy Patty, Michael W. Smith, Bethel worship, I mean, come on now, really good, yeah. All of that evangelical stuff. And I remember watching the prayer rally that happened in November, 2020, and I'm sure, Zack Jackson (23:39.222) Yes. Emily Smith (23:49.32) you guys watched it as well, you know, on the Capitol steps, Michael W. Smith is there, Franklin Graham, I mean, these, it was a massive thousands of people rally. And this was also at the height of that first surge before vaccines. So my soul could not reconcile how that was standing on faith when I put the number in the book of how many died that day, but it was at the peak of the deaths in the US, like morgue trucks. you know, scenarios. I couldn't, I just couldn't reconcile like, so I felt like we were losing our faith community, losing jobs, you know, or leaving jobs, losing real life friends. And then these foundations that I had just anchored in were, I was just losing that as well. So it's just difficult. I do wish Ian (24:19.915) Mm-hmm. Emily Smith (24:45.556) that I could have shielded my family from some of that and just taken more of the brunt of it. But it's just part of the, you know, it's part of the cost of us as a family. And I wanted to put some of that vulnerability in because I think a lot of people, especially from the faith communities, have lost a lot. Or Thanksgiving's and Christmases have been very hard and are still hard. I just get that. Ian (24:55.126) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (24:55.138) Hmm. Zack Jackson (25:09.826) Hmm. Emily Smith (25:12.552) At the same time, it's the tip of the iceberg of what I did put in there. So I wanted to be careful to not put too much just cause I couldn't talk about it. Ian (25:20.235) Yeah. Zack Jackson (25:22.156) Yeah. Ian (25:22.61) When I appreciate, like I said, I appreciate, I I'm someone who embraces vulnerability. Um, and you know, I really love Brene Brown's work around that too. But I very much appreciated you sharing that with all of us and the readers because I just, it was tough. It was tough to read and, um, but I admire that you continued to work a lot. You know, I really appreciate that too, because Emily Smith (25:31.197) Yeah, for sure. Emily Smith (25:48.926) Yeah. Ian (25:52.438) You are still continuing to do what you can to save lives. Emily Smith (25:57.94) Well, and that was a choice. I mean, there was a point in there where a couple of the threats, I mean, we were working with high up authorities at certain parts of it. And I just asked my husband, do we need to just stop? Do I need to, well, do I need to stop basically? Cause I would, I would have just pulled all of it. It was not worth having a child, having one of my kids hurt or worse. And so we took a little bit of a break there in the middle of it to kind of discern and use wisdom and then I just decided to keep going with certain parameters in place of Some cameras and Authorities and some backup plans also Some boundaries around what I would or wouldn't stay who I would or wouldn't listen to I got asked to come on Far right like Breitbart type podcast and just I automatically just saying no to that. I mean, that's just a boundary. So it was a it was a choice to keep going. But it was also at a cost. I mean, that was before I got sick in 2021. My body just said no more. And I just had a I don't know if it's a thunderclap or just a massive migraine never had it before. And it just put me in bed for 15 months. So it Ian (27:23.838) Yeah, that reading that was tough too. I, yeah. And I just, because it just, I felt like your pain that you were experiencing, at least some of it was coming across, which again, I, I appreciated that a lot. Um, and I have a very dear friend of mine that was in my PhD program with that deals with migraines. I don't think she deals with them as much anymore. This was, you know, back between 2004 to 2008, but I knew right before she started the PhD program, Zack Jackson (27:24.148) Ugh. Emily Smith (27:26.952) Was it? Yeah. Emily Smith (27:38.125) Yeah. Ian (27:52.266) she would have them where she would be bedridden for like a month or something like that. And just, I couldn't imagine what that was like, but even, you know, I know I asked you how things are going now with you and your family and you told us prior to recording that things are getting better. And, and, but again, you made the choice to continue trying to save lives. Like I think that's very admirable. And so I, that's one of the reasons why I was so excited to get you here. Emily Smith (27:54.74) Yeah. Oh, for sure. Ian (28:20.934) And to read your book because that truly is admirable because you know, I have faced hateful things just because of stuff I do with science and religion for a long time now, nothing compared to what you've done. But there have been plenty of times where I've thought, I can't, I'm not doing this anymore. Like, it's just not worth it. Um, and it was nowhere near to the scale of what you have experienced. And so I just, I think it gives a lot of people hope. And I just wanted to make sure you knew that. Emily Smith (28:37.333) Yeah. Zack Jackson (28:37.559) Yeah. Emily Smith (28:45.052) Yeah, well thank you. There was also a scrappy piece of me that did not want to let them win. And because there were there were months of being bedridden in an incredibly dark room, I mean laughing would send me to weeks of a migraine that no amount of medicine, including hospital type medicine, would touch. Ian (28:55.039) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (28:55.313) Hmm Emily Smith (29:11.484) And so I, there was a little bit of a fight in me too. I just, I was so terrified that was gonna be the rest of my life. And I was doing everything possible to get out of it. And so now that I've come out of it a little bit more, the tenacity, the scrappiness to keep going means not only did like the bad people, they did not win, but also living into probably who, I am more of myself now than I have ever been because of it, because I'm a whole lot braver and courageous than I thought was actually in me. So thank you for saying that, because I think we hear stories of overcoming something and it looks like it was an overnight thing and you just believed your way out of it. And this is not the prosperity gospel. It is really difficult stuff. Zack Jackson (29:43.149) Mm. Zack Jackson (30:00.311) Hahaha! Zack Jackson (30:04.023) now. Emily Smith (30:08.7) you know, just day by day, I'm just doing, I'm just so grateful to be doing my job again. Ian (30:14.475) Yeah. Ian (30:18.07) Zach, did you have anything to add? Just, yeah. It's just, it's very inspirational, so thank you. Emily Smith (30:23.693) Thank you. Zack Jackson (30:25.222) Oh, you remind me of Julian of Norwich, my favorite dead Christian. Um, are you familiar with her story at all? Yeah. How she, uh, asked, asked Jesus for, uh, an encounter as close to death as possible so she could get to the heart of things and then to come back and be able to share that and the amount of revelation she encountered on those dark nights in that bed, um, changed her. Emily Smith (30:28.618) Yeah. Emily Smith (30:32.574) Yes. Emily Smith (30:35.892) Oh, for sure. Yes, I am. Zack Jackson (30:54.31) and really clarify the rest of her life. And I'm hearing that a lot from you as well. That's beautiful. Emily Smith (31:03.592) Yeah, she was probably a little bit more full of faith in the bed. I was just like, what is happening and I want out. Zack Jackson (31:14.283) Yes, but when she says, yeah, when she says all will be well and all will be well and all manner of things shall be well, she's saying it from that bed. And so it actually means something instead of the sort of, you know, pithy platitudes that you would see on a bumper sticker or a greeting card. And so when you talk about it and you talk about hope and change and good things, I feel, I believe it more. Emily Smith (31:14.842) This is not okay. Emily Smith (31:33.113) For sure. Yeah. Zack Jackson (31:42.262) you know, because you've been through the flames. One of the things that I found Emily Smith (31:42.724) Yeah, that passage in particular that she said is, oh go ahead, there was a little, I was saying one of the things about that passage that you just quoted, that's what my husband would tell me just nearly daily during those really dark times, all shall be well and all, yeah all of that. So that's very special. Zack Jackson (31:53.025) Nope, go ahead. Zack Jackson (32:09.542) Yeah, that's my mantra. I repeat to myself almost a daily basis. Emily Smith (32:14.963) Yes. Zack Jackson (32:17.75) Yeah. One of the things that surprised me in reading some of your work, when I hear about epidemiology, I think of, well, that's spread of disease, clearly. But that's such a small part of your book and a small part of your writing. And I'm reading about gun violence and systemic racism and injustices and economics and... all kinds of things that have nothing to do with disease? Am I reading epidemiology wrong as a study or is it that this is all just a part of how your heart works? Emily Smith (33:03.692) probably a both and of that. But epidemiology is not just the pandemic, epidemic, you know, disease detective type stuff that they make movies of. It's that, but it's also anything that affects a certain group of people differently than another group of people. And so that could be, you know, in my work, that's poverty and children's health. It could be who is affected the most by congenital Zack Jackson (33:05.687) Hmm Emily Smith (33:33.356) chronic type condition. So it's a really broad field than just disease detectives. Zack Jackson (33:41.376) Okay. Ian (33:41.378) All right. Well, so, and I remember your chapter, Trickle Up Economics. And so I'll be honest, Emily, there are so many, like I've now been putting like little markers in here, but I've folded down so many pages that I can't get, oh sorry, I can't get to everything I wanna say. So you made something and I can't find everything again because I just, I have comments on almost every single page. Emily Smith (34:03.124) Oh Zack Jackson (34:09.218) We'll leave a link in the description. Emily Smith (34:09.484) Oh yay! I'm gonna hang your reference business. Thank you. Ian (34:10.414) And your references in the end and stuff. And especially, so, you know, I'm also a fellow academic. And so I just was pulling your references. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is so amazing, honey. And just, and also too, I started down like the anti-racism journey. And I think 2016. And so some of the things I was aware of, but it was nice to also reread it and stuff, but that the chapter on trickle up economics, when you talk about, um, the question you ask us is, do you want to know the main factor per Emily Smith (34:15.613) Yes. Emily Smith (34:26.858) Oh yeah. Ian (34:40.302) Uh, predicted. Do you want to know what main factor predicted descending into poverty and not being able to climb back out, even when you account for everything else and it was having a child who needed surgery, which I was not at all surprised. Obviously it was health related, but that part and the part I'm trying to remember too, is that just for the communities in Somaliland or was that just also applicable worldwide? Emily Smith (34:50.57) Yeah. Emily Smith (35:06.176) it's applicable worldwide that look like, I mean the margins countries, you know, the poorest countries for sure. Yeah, yeah, and that, um, that was not something that we expected either. You know, in my day job, I work in communities like in Somaliland, which is the fourth poorest country of the world, on children who need surgical care. And so we know there's a group of kiddos who can get to, you know, a hospital when they need it. Ian (35:08.17) Okay. Right, yeah. Okay. Emily Smith (35:34.752) there's a whole slew of them that can't for reasons that are not their fault, nor their family's fault. That's the structure system, systemic racism, structural violence type stuff that happens. So we had been working with our community partners within the country for starting in 2016, trying to map out in the country, where are the kids who need the greatest care? How far do they have to travel? I mean, it is hours and hours and hours on wheelbarrows and stuff that is just not equity. It's just not what we would want for our children by a landslide. And then we started teasing the data. This is part of epidemiology that I love is you start with the margins and then you go further in to get the truth of the story. Cause that's what laws and legislations are built on, policies. And we found that There were a group of families in Somaliland that went into poverty because of something and never came out. There were some that were able to climb out of poverty. We see this in the US, right? Someone goes to the ER. If you have an insurance or a nest egg or family members that could chip in, it's going to be a huge expense. Some go into poverty and can come out and others can't. So in Somaliland, that's what happened. And we started looking at those families at what was different about them than the rest of them. I thought it was gonna be the income level of the family or the number of kiddos that they had to feed, but it was having a kid with surgical care. And so we took that to the United Nations as a policy effort in 2019. There was a big summit there for universal health coverage. And it's asking the question of what basically is going to be covered under a universal health coverage package. We know it's going to be vaccines and taking care of the sniffles, you know, primary care stuff. But what about surgery? Because that is what is impoverishing people. So we went to make that statement. And the chapter is about starting with the stories of the margin and then trickle your way back up. Emily Smith (37:48.976) instead of the whole trickle-down capitalism type where you put, you know, a hundred dollars in Jeff Bezos mailbox and you hope it reaches the poorest of the poor in inner Detroit. So it was a very, it was really interesting finding for me, but it also linked the story, their story, hopefully to policy change at the highest levels. Zack Jackson (38:00.546) Hmm. Ian (38:10.634) Yeah. Well, I've always said that I, I think it's, um, shameful that our country, which is the richest country, I believe in the history of the world, that anyone in this country could ever go into poverty because of healthcare or that people are in poverty, but still there's so many things there, right? But that healthcare can make people go bankrupt. I, Emily Smith (38:29.96) and we're the number one. Yeah. Ian (38:39.958) will never understand that with the amount of money and wealth in this one country that that's possible. It just is absolutely mind boggling to me. And then of course it elsewhere, right? I mean, you talk about in this chapter of like the wealth of like the 10 richest people or whatever the number was and what that could do for those countries in the margins, right? But even the margins in our own country. Um, and I just, I found that Emily Smith (38:49.696) Yeah. Emily Smith (38:59.509) Yeah. Emily Smith (39:04.64) Right. Ian (39:08.35) Uh, really interesting. I was really grateful that you went that route with that chapter because I thought it was just so important to see. Emily Smith (39:14.696) Right, and I think that that's where our centering is wrong because this story of medical impoverishment, healthcare impoverishment is in the Bible too. You know, the story of the bleeding woman who had spent her last resort was to go to find Jesus because she had spent all of her money for years trying to get care. And then she touches the hem of his garment to try to be incognito and he stops the crowd for her. Like his center. His majority, his view was not the crowd. It was the medically impoverished woman. So there's a chapter about that too, about his majority, how we can make that, how we can visualize the world. I think perhaps like what he looks like. But I get all the time, we just need more resources or Emily, we just need more money type. And I think that's short-sighted. I don't think that's true. I think we have... in the world enough resources and enough money that we need, we just don't have enough equity. And that's money, that's healthcare. We saw that in the pandemic with the lack of oxygen. There's a whole chapter in there on innovation. Yeah, and in India, yeah, when they were running out of oxygen, it's not because the world lacks oxygen. It's because the US and Zack Jackson (40:18.158) Hmm. Ian (40:25.054) Oh yeah, that was very heartbreaking. Oh yeah, that part, yeah, yeah. Emily Smith (40:40.584) stockpiles of it. And so the question innovation is making sure that oxygen is where it needs to be but also asking the harder systemic questions of why wasn't it there in the first place. That the other chapter in that section on courage is on valuing a life you know how do we value it which I think that one was the hardest one to write outside of the cost chapters. Do you remember those about Ebola? Ian (41:09.574) Yeah. Can we go into that a little bit? That, that was very challenging chapter to read too. You're right. Well, it just, and I'm in a butcher, their names, cause I'm getting to it, but I mean, do you mind telling us the story with that? The doctor who died, but then the other one who didn't. And yeah. Emily Smith (41:10.34) Yeah. Emily Smith (41:15.56) Yeah, go ahead. Emily Smith (41:23.488) Yeah. Emily Smith (41:27.524) Mm-hmm. Yes. So the it starts out introducing you to Dr. Khan. And for those of us in public health and global health, we know who Dr. Khan is. He is the Anthony Fauci of Africa. He had also been prior to the 2016 Ebola outbreak that hit his country and you know, West Africa. We all probably remember that epidemic. He had been working with congressmen here in the US, people, legends like Dr. Paul Farmer, who the book is in part dedicated to, to advocate for pandemic or epidemic preparedness for his hospital or resources for something that, could really cripple their system with not a whole lot of fanfare, not much was done with that type of legislation. So I'm trying to set the stage that he is a, very well known and respected doctor. When Ebola hit in his country, he was also frontline, because he's an MD. So he ended up getting Ebola. And this was in his health system that wasn't given the necessary resources to be ready for this epidemic, even though he was advocating for it. So with Ebola without the support of care, you deteriorate very quickly. Ebola is not highly It's highly fatal without the support, but not here in the US, which is why a lot of people or the people that have gotten it and have received care here have not passed away. So he gets it, he gets very sick, he gets transferred to a MSF unit that was specifically made for Ebola, and he keeps deteriorating. So they were having to make a decision on, do we give him what's called ZMAP? Zack Jackson (42:53.355) Hmm. Emily Smith (43:18.428) And at that point, it was an experimental drug for Ebola. It was the only option available for treatment outside of supportive care like IVs and rehydration. I go into a little bit of detail in the book, but I would definitely encourage people to go read that full story by the New York Times article, and that's in the references. But they made a decision not to give him ZMAP. Now, There were only a few vials of that in the world, one of which was actually at that MSF facility or very close by. He was also asked to be medevaced and that was given, a plane did come, but he was so sick, they refused to take him, cause it was not equipped like we see those, you know, the big ones here. So. He ends up dying just a few days later. Without his family, they finally let a friend go in at the end to be with him. If you reverse time a couple of days, there were two other doctors in West Africa, well, one doctor then a nurse that got Ebola too. Same thing, got very sick, deteriorated, had to make a decision of what to do. They were also asked to be medevaced and there was a conversation about ZMAP to be given to them. Both of them received ZMAP. And not only that, they were medevaced in the state of the art, you know, it looks like a sci-fi book airplane, just equipped with every legit thing possible to keep that contained and landed in here in the US. I remember that. I don't know if y'all remember that on the news where full hazmat suits. Ian (45:01.95) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (45:03.778) Yeah. Emily Smith (45:06.844) there's a team of 15, 20 doctors, and they walked out of that hospital a couple days later recovering. I was very intentional in that chapter who I named by name and who I didn't, because the point I was trying to make was if that was my family, I would move heaven and earth to get them medevaced. So I didn't want to dishonor that. Ian (45:14.207) Yeah. Zack Jackson (45:14.608) Hmm. Emily Smith (45:34.46) The question is more at a 30,000 foot level of who is worthy to get ZMAP? Who is worthy to get oxygen? Who is worthy to get medical resources or free healthcare or free education? How do we value a life and how are people's lives valued? Then when you take that to a country level, who gets what from a country? So as a person of faith, I wanted to write a chapter that honored Dr. Khan, but then the bigger questions too of how should we value people if we are believers of, you know, of the Bible or of what Jesus says. So it was a hard chapter to write. I also wanted to, that mission organization of the two people that got medevacked out were part of Samaritan's Purse, and I had been a vocal. I spoke against Franklin Graham's aspect, how he was treating the pandemic very vocally. So everybody knows what I think about that. I also have really good friends that work at Samaritan's Purse. So it's not about the missions agency. It's about some people having friends in very high places with a whole lot of money to help people in need while others don't and asking the question of why. Ian (46:41.255) Mm-hmm. Ian (46:56.823) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (46:59.906) Hmm. Ian (47:00.07) And I love how you bring it back to equity. Cause that, as you said, that's what this is all about. And which again is very tragic, right? But, um, I wanted to shift if I can, there was another thing I just wanted to, there was a quote that I loved is at the end of the chapter on, um, let's see, which one was this broadening our definition of health. When you're talking about the good Samaritan, I just wanted to read it out. Cause I, I just loved it. I read it to my wife. Emily Smith (47:08.468) Right. Emily Smith (47:23.849) Yeah. Zack Jackson (47:24.184) Hmm. Ian (47:30.522) And I just was really happy with this one. But you say blast paragraph, by the way, did the Samaritan tell the man the gospel or preach to him or hand out a tract? The parable doesn't tell us anything like that. I have a hunch Jesus would have mentioned it if it were important to the point he was making at the time, but he didn't. What he modeled for us with, with this story as being a neighbor and word indeed. And I actually was on a zoom meeting with, uh, my priest. It was last Wednesday. So, you know, nine days ago and other lay leaders in our church. And I just was telling them that we were interviewing you and then read that to them because I really part of my struggle is when people the certainty aspect of things that they this is the way we're supposed to behave. Or, you know, it's my way or the highway when it comes to being a person of faith. And I just love that you pointed that out of just there. That's not in there. And you were right. Right. When I read it, I just was like, oh, my gosh, that's yeah. Emily Smith (48:16.905) Yeah. Zack Jackson (48:22.902) Hmm. Ian (48:28.554) Like that's a great lens to take to it. To show that was not the purpose. And I loved that. And I just, oh, absolutely. Yeah. Emily Smith (48:28.821) Yeah. Emily Smith (48:34.272) Right. Well, don't you think he would have put it in there? I mean, Jesus is super duper smart. Yeah, I mean, he's he was very sneaky and intentional with the parables and how he told the stories. So I think he would have let us know that we needed to put a track in there before we gave people health care. But gosh, I mean, unconditional love is not conditional on viewing people as projects or Ian (48:47.68) Yeah. Emily Smith (49:01.196) proselytizing. So I just wanted, especially in the evangelical church, to, you know, we do things with, or we should do things just out of a goodness of heart. Because we're, I mean, it says in the Bible too, when we do these, you do it unto me. When you take care of the poor and feed and clothe, then you take, you do it for him. And so I keep in, I think keeping that perspective, I think we should do more of it in the evangelical church for sure. Zack Jackson (49:31.903) You mentioned the evangelical church. You have a chapter in here called Topics Too Many Evangelicals Don't Want to Talk About. I would expand that to topics that Christians in general don't talk enough about. What sorts of things should we be talking about in our faith communities? Emily Smith (49:38.932) Sure. Emily Smith (49:43.315) Yes. Emily Smith (49:50.2) Yes, I wrote that because when I got back from that UN meeting that I was, I told you about earlier, you know, I'm a pastor's wife and so we get in there for Sunday school and somebody called me a socialist and I did not know, I didn't know how to respond because it caught me so much off guard that wait a minute, I just told you we were talking about like poverty, you know, we can all agree that that's a problem and let's help. So I, it Ian (50:03.441) Mm-hmm. Zack Jackson (50:04.074) Hahaha Emily Smith (50:17.564) it made me realize we need a conversation about what some of these topics are. It also came out of the pandemic, you know, when I would talk about structural violence or systemic racism or Black Lives Matter, climate change, there was such this hubbub of we don't want to talk about it or overtones of we just don't go there. But I think when we hold those to the sky, they reflect heaven So I wanted to make, the whole first part of the book is on that, how to talk about that in non-threatening but challenging ways still. Then that last chapter on making the connections between climate change and poverty and the margins to try to at least let pastors know, talk about it from the pulpit. And here are some ways that you can talk about it where you don't have to scream. You know, you don't have to come across as a crazy liberal if you're in a predominantly Republican Texas type church. But they are holy words because they are equity words. So that's what that chapter is about. Thank you for bringing that up. I chuckled at the title. Ian (51:33.75) Yeah. Zack Jackson (51:34.598) It made me chuckle too as an evangelical who's been, well, former evangelical who's been accused of all kinds of things that, you know, is Jesus taught me, you know. I have a shirt that says, um, cast down the mighty, lift up the oppressed, uh, feed the hungry, send the rich away empty handed. And I often get accused of like Marxism for that. And I say, Emily Smith (51:44.86) Yeah. Right. Ian (51:45.438) Yeah. So then how good. Emily Smith (52:01.236) Oh sure, yeah. Zack Jackson (52:02.294) That's the Magnificat. Mary says that. Hahaha. Emily Smith (52:06.953) Right. Or Jesus' first sermon, you know, when he rolls out the scroll from Isaiah, that is full of captives free and the oppressed and yeah. Yeah. Zack Jackson (52:11.465) Mmm. Zack Jackson (52:16.35) Yeah, good news to the poor. Yeah. Ian (52:18.43) Yeah. So kind of adding to that chapter in particular, you know, the pandemic, you know, there was already lots of divisions in our society, obviously pandemic, I believe made it much worse and more in our face. And so I'm curious, you know, especially as someone who does work with, uh, trying to figure out ways to combat misinformation, science misinformation in particular. Um, Emily Smith (52:33.546) Yeah. Ian (52:46.878) with either from my education lens or just research or work I do. You know, I started when you started seeing the, uh, the increased hesitancy around the vaccine, um, that really started raising a lot of flags for me of like, this is not ending that we're going to see this. This is going to, you know, spread to hesitancies and laws against other vaccines that have made it so that diseases that have been eradicated from our country. solely because of those vaccines, those will come back. Um, and so I'm just curious, you know, the white evangelical community has a lot of power. And so how can one start to have conversations with those communities? You know, I've never been a member, so I know it'd be hard for me, but you were a member and you went through a lot because of what you were trying to do. How, how do we get back in to be able to figure out ways to work with those communities to build that trust again? Emily Smith (53:45.577) Yeah. Ian (53:45.598) Right. And to help them realize that the science is not there to get them. It's not evil. It's trying to save lives. I mean, that's the point. And so how would you recommend we do that? Emily Smith (53:55.209) Yeah. Emily Smith (53:59.884) I wonder if I would recommend something different if I answered this question in five years because I still feel like it's too close. But I think one of the biggest things is knowing who is actually going to have a conversation with you and who is not and having the wisdom to just leave the room or leave a church. Like it's okay. We don't leave a church because we don't like the color of the carpet. You know, I'm not that type of Christian. But Zack Jackson (54:16.215) Hmm. Emily Smith (54:29.668) If there are real equity things and faith issues, I think it is okay to leave a church. So if, I don't know, leave friends, lose friends. I know that's hard when there are kids and youth and some people have to stick with it. If you do stay and you're trying to have these conversations, I would be really careful to guard your heart on what you let in and... what you hear because it can pummel you, which is why I wanted to write some of that cost section so vulnerably. I wish I would have known a little bit more, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if I would have had some of the wisdom to not go to every fight that I was invited to. So, and there's a chapter on that, on the wisdom of Nehemiah having that type. Yeah, thank you. I would also... Ian (55:18.172) Mm-hmm. Ian (55:21.566) Yeah, I liked that chapter a lot. That's very good. Emily Smith (55:27.56) tell people to be very cognizant, to pay attention to people who are not learning or listening anymore. Because the evangelical church has an incredible amount of power, always have. You know, like faith and prayer at football games where I grew up was still going on in the 90s and 2000s. It's probably still going on. Ten Commandments. And so we think that should be the norm or the centered of everything else when it actually shouldn't. And if somebody can understand why I just said that and why it matters, that's a person who listens. If others just dig in their heels more and we want the good old days, but don't realize those good old days were awful for a wide group of like Black Americans, any immigrants, then we've missed the point. So I think I'm, I don't think I'm answering your question. I think I'm telling people to be careful. Yeah, and also just to, there's this whole notion in the evangelical space that we just need to come together and get along. And that phrase really bothers me because that inherently denotes that there are two sides that need to come together, that both are weighted equally. And in that case, sure, let's come together because that's the center, but. Ian (56:23.878) No, you are. Yeah. Zack Jackson (56:26.402) Yeah. Emily Smith (56:48.84) When you have two sides and one is their voices have had the microphone longer than another side, it's time to equal out that balance where both sides can be heard. And that is still just certainly not going on, especially with science. Zack Jackson (57:00.034) Yeah. Zack Jackson (57:04.766) Right. So it's less about finding the middle point between two things and more thinking about it like a binary star system where the one that is the center of gravity has to do with the relative mass of each one. And so a big star and a small star, the center of gravity is going to be closer to the big star because that's where the mass is. And when we're talking about Emily Smith (57:27.37) Yeah. Zack Jackson (57:31.866) On this side, we have a climatologist, and on this side, we have your uncle on Facebook. Then, the center of gravity is not going to be in the middle of those two things, right? Emily Smith (57:38.636) Sure. Ian (57:41.931) Right. Emily Smith (57:42.948) Yes, or even in, I'm working with some indigenous communities in Brazil and listening a lot longer as a researcher of what their health needs are, including how to overcome them. So talking with traditional healers and valuing and honoring where people's stories are and their needs more than maybe a preconceived idea of what I think it should be. Zack Jackson (58:00.75) Hmm. Ian (58:13.098) Well, we are. Yeah. Well, so I just had a couple of smaller questions if that's all right. Um, and I just appreciate your time really do. But, so I'm curious, especially for you with your expertise, you know, as we reflect back on COVID-19 and this pandemic, um, it's natural for us to think about what we could have done differently. And I'm curious what your thoughts on that, but also too, what can we learn from this to better prepare? Zack Jackson (58:13.266) We're nearing the end. So if you want to. Emily Smith (58:19.584) Good. Ian (58:43.542) for future outbreaks of infectious diseases. Cause I might say another pandemic's gonna happen right away, but there will be outbreaks of infectious diseases. We know that. And so I'm just curious, what are the things that we can learn from this to try to do more preventative measures in the future? Like what would you recommend? Emily Smith (59:03.083) Yeah. recommend starting a conversation on trust in people's expertise instead of feeling like you're the expert on everything, which is a classic American thought. You know, we're very individualistic and so I think that could start, that's very 30,000 foot, but trust the experts. But then finding the community champions within the communities that are speaking from a place of their own. You know, I think that's why part of why I went viral is because I was speaking into my own community. I knew the language. I loved the church. I understood what pastors and their families were going through. So if you can find those and that means, you know, if we have distrust in some sort of science or the vaccines, then find the communities where that distrust is and then find the people there that are the champions. I just think it's a trust, it's a value issue. I know people don't like to hear about the political stuff, but who we vote for matters in very real ways on the ground, and we saw that. So I think having conversations about that too, you know, we are not voters of just one issue. If you are, that is going to trickle to a billion other types of issues. Letting people, especially like my children, I've got a teenager telling her about the importance of who you vote for and why that matters. Ian (01:00:43.958) So is there anything that you want to share? Anything else we should have asked but didn't? Emily Smith (01:00:51.684) No, I mean, I hope if anything for the book, I hope that it makes people laugh. Because there's a lot of stories in there that hopefully are funny. There's really silly pictures from my science fair board. Please go look at that. It's fantastic and a little over the top. But I also hope it... Yes. Zack Jackson (01:01:03.844) I'm going to go. Ian (01:01:06.464) Yes. Ian (01:01:12.402) I think the picture, if I can say the picture that you're staring at, I forgot who you're staring at, but you talk about that you have it. Uh, oh yeah. That picture of the board is great, but then the picture of you staring at somebody and you put, you have that framed on your desk. I, who was that again? I, I couldn't find that again in the book right now. Emily Smith (01:01:21.33) Yes. It's. Emily Smith (01:01:27.222) It's, yes, it's Dr. Tedros. He's the WHO president and I ran into him at the UN and that is my picture of me, like total fan girl moment with him. Yeah. Zack Jackson (01:01:38.382) Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Ian (01:01:39.851) It was hilarious. And I just, I mean, I'm sure we've all done it. I do that with people all the time, but yours was captured on camera. And I love that you framed it and have put it on your own desk because I just find that hilarious. Like that's just such a wonderful story. Emily Smith (01:01:51.228) Yeah, I have- Emily Smith (01:01:55.372) Well, I have one that's a real one. I mean, they took one where we're both looking at the camera, legit, but I just keep it, because it was how I felt at the time. And... Oh, I'd like to show the card. Oh, thank you. Ian (01:02:05.662) When I love that you shared it with us, like I just, you know, I could totally envision it. And then all of a sudden I see the picture. I'm like, yeah, that's, that's what I was thinking. Like it just, that was really cool. Yeah. Zack Jackson (01:02:07.53) Yeah. Emily Smith (01:02:13.549) Yeah, this is a fangirl. Yeah. So. Zack Jackson (01:02:15.55) Yeah. And a completely honest review for those who are listeners and who hopefully trust the things that we say and do is that this book is really heartfelt. It is fact filled and it is driven by story and your own personal experience instead of just, you know, here's a list of objective facts. And for me, that not only conveys truth. in a way that is easier to digest, but also shows how authentic you are and how important this book is, how much of your own soul is encapsulated in this and how much of your own experience and growth from a young and idealistic nerd who's going to save the world, who gets jaded and cynical, but then finds hope and emerges on the other side stronger and I think all of our listeners should find a copy at your local bookstore or if you have to on Amazon. Or listen to the audiobook which is recorded by you and that must have been a fun experience. Emily Smith (01:03:25.176) Yes, it was fun. It's very hard to do too to just read it harder than expected, but it was fun to do. Ian (01:03:29.703) I'm back. Well, and if I can just add to that, I think that's a great, um, thumbs up there, Zach and recommendation for this book. I can't recommend it enough for people. I think it's an outstanding book. Um, I agree with everything Zach said, but I loved, I just absolutely loved that you couched it in the good Samaritan story. And also in Jesus, the second commandment to us about love, I neighbor a

In this episode of Waterways to Airwaves we take a tour of The Delmarva Free School, as well as some local churches with robust green teams. The Delmarva Free School,  is a member-supported mental health recovery community.  Their focus is primarily trauma-sensitive, recovery and addictions-based accountability, women's embodiment, ecopsychology or connection to the earth, liberation and justice advocacy. They are located on the lower shore of Maryland on the Delmarva Peninsula, on 9 acres at the edge of a few thousand acres of conservation forests in Chesapeake Country, located on mixed second growth and cypress swamp habitat, a bioregional marker of the cultural South. This land was tended historically by the Pocomoke, Nanticoke and other coastal migrating Algonquin natives, and later by displaced Africans and Black Americans. They are grateful and proud to offer outdoor sacred spaces here for gathering and connecting, for small acts of healing the earth and one another. Delmarva Free School has a fully trained Green Team and were a part of the 2022 Faithful Green Leaders class. Includes performance of "Grateful" by James Harrell and Ilyana Kadushin. All Music and Lyrics written and performed by James Harrell and Ilyana Kadushin.

[16 NOV 23] The BCP Podcast. Season 3, Episode 159 Run Time: 1:01:49 In this episode we have special guest Bishop Leon Benjamin. James and Pastor Leon discuss how Black voters will give Trump the win in 2024. Through a great awakening and efforts by the organization, MAGA BLACK and other the grassroots efforts- Black voters will increase the MAGA vote return the White House to Trump. We also discuss the failures of current policy, how and why the Black community is waking up and the importance of the nuclear family. We look at the trans agenda and other Marxists plots to destroy not just the Black community, but America. I GOT MY ORIGINAL TWITTER ACCOUNT BACK! PLEASE FOLLOW: ⁠https://twitter.com/Black_C_Patriot⁠ PICK UP SOME MERCH TO LOOK COOL AND SUPPORT OUR WORK: ⁠https://bcp-merch.creator-spring.com⁠ Also, check out Juniorette and Nana's YouTube show, NOTHING BUT THE NEWS! : ⁠https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu3lxLxp3ZuJRga7gF9KIyg

Our series Full Bio returns, and this month we are focusing on the life of pioneering playwright August Wilson, who won the Pulitzer Prize for Drama twice, and whose plays focus on the life of Black Americans in the 20th century. Biographer Patti Hartigan joins us for a deep dive into her book, August Wilson: A Life. On day two, we speak about Wilson's early years as a poet and playwright and the beginnings of his creative partnerships.

It's round three on The Danza Project with Charleston White, the polarizing figure who has had the internet in a headlock throughout 2023. The last time he came to the studio, he was joined by Brittany Renner, who threw water in his face. However, on his latest trip to the Danza Project, he pulls up by himself with plenty of topics to address. Outside of viral topics, such as the ongoing Saucy Santana vs. Akademiks feud and the recent assault at a barbershop, Charleston White provides some insightful details into his ventures. He described his eye-opening experience after working on a movie with Sukihana. While highly critical of her persona, he believes she is one of the most “respectable” and “mannerable” people he's met in a long time. Charleston White also dished on his backstage experience at Travis Scott's Utopia tour, describing the “SICKO MODE” rapper as an amazing performer. Beyond the salacious headlines, Charleston White also got deep into the social and political climate in America and across the globe. Charleston White does share sharp insight into global and domestic affairs, from Critical Race Theory to the ongoing Israel-Palestine war, which he paralleled to the oppression of Black Americans. Charleston White is undoubtedly one of the most provocative personalities on the Internet. Still, the latest episode of the Danza Project proves that there's far more to him than controversial takes. Press play on the latest episode of The Danza Project above, and make sure to subscribe for more raw content. 0:00 - Intro 1:36 - Charleston White breaks down whether there such thing as "High Value Men" 13:15 - This new generation of men is weaker 17:00 - The lack of understanding between Men & Women | Supporting each other 21:00 - “A man can't be measured until he's gone” - Charleston drops gems 26:15 - Saucy Santana's r*pe threat towards DJ Akademiks 33:47 - It's still ok to be a man | A Woman cannot teach a man how to be a Man 40:13 - We're being brainwashed 45:34 - Guests declining to come up and talk with Charleston White 50:44 - The MySpace generation is ruling right now | Charleston on The Danza Project flourishing 54:19 - You can't hide from who you are | Brittany Renner 59:12 - Charleston White describes doing a movie with & studying Sukihana | Sexyy Red | Talks upcoming film 1:10:33 - Will Charleston White get tired of doing content & playing a character? | Tupac 1:16:37 - Charleston White clears up his recent Barbershop incident 1:29:21 - Being strategic when moving around | Snitching 1:41:06 - Charleston's thoughts on 1090 Jake exposing everybody 1:43:29 - Vlad TV Interviews 1:44:55 - Charleston White's view on rappers who count bodies for competition 1:48:25 - Charleston breaks down racism: "Prejudice is a mindset, Racism is an act” 1:57:11 - Being born black in America is a disadvantage 2:05:30 - Charleston speaks on going to court from being in a car wreck 2:10:57 - The Critical Race Theory debate 2:15:04 - Being proud of what race you are | Get with your kind 2:25:11 - Charleston explains that Show may go private for members only for a short time. Skip the line - Click the link below to become a MEMBER FOR $4.99

Our series Full Bio returns, and this month we are focusing on the life of pioneering playwright August Wilson, who won the Pulitzer Prize for Drama twice, and whose plays focus on the life of Black Americans in the 20th century. Biographer Patti Hartigan joins us for a deep dive into her book, August Wilson: A Life. On day one, we learn about Wilson's childhood and education in Pittsburgh.

In marathon running, the hat trick entails three accomplishments: doing at least 100 races… running in each of the U.S.'s 50 states… and completing a marathon on all 7 continents — which means marathoning in Antarctica. Among the fewer-than-60 runners worldwide who've achieved that feat, only 3 are Black. And two of those three are St. Louis natives. They're also alumni of the same grade school – a decade apart, but the very same building! Lisa Davis and Tony Reed are the focus of the documentary, “We Are Distance Runners: The Marathon Hat Trick,” which screens at the Alamo Drafthouse as part of the St. Louis International Film Festival

In conversation with Marc Lamont Hill Tanisha Ford's Our Secret Society is a biography of Mollie Moon, the socialite, powerbroker, and founder of the National Urban League Guild, who was a key fundraiser for the Civil Rights Movement. It also serves as a social history and who's who of Black Americans from the 1930s through the 1960s, as Moon moved in New York and Harlem society circles that included the likes of Lorraine Hansberry and Langston Hughes. A history professor at The Graduate Center, CUNY and a former Smithsonian research associate at the National Museum of American History, Ford was named to The Root's 2019 list of the ''100 Most Influential African Americans.'' Her other books include Dressed in Dreams, Kwame Brathwaite, and Liberated Threads, which was awarded the 2016 Organization of American Historians' Liberty Legacy Foundation Award. The Steve Charles Chair in Media, Cities and Solutions at Temple University, Marc Lamont Hill is the host of BET News and the Coffee and Books podcast. The recipient of honors from the National Association of Black Journalists, GLAAD, and the International Academy of Digital Arts and Sciences, he is the author of six books, including Beats, Rhymes, and Classroom Life; Nobody: Casualties of America's War on the Vulnerable, from Ferguson to Flint and Beyond; and Except for Palestine: The Limits of Progressive Politics. Because you love Author Events, please make a donation to keep our podcasts free for everyone. THANK YOU! (recorded 11/8/2023)