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Synopsis: Mahmoud Khalil examines why the question of Palestine is a test for U.S. democracy. This show is made possible by you! To become a sustaining member go to LauraFlanders.org/donateDescription: Mahmoud Khalil was coming home from an Iftar dinner with his pregnant wife on March 8, 2025 when he was detained without a warrant and transported 1,500 miles to a Louisiana detention camp. A negotiator for the 2024 pro-Palestine student protests at Columbia University, Khalil was a legal permanent resident who'd committed no violence or crime; his abduction shocked the world. The Trump administration was seeking to expel Khalil, not for his acts, but for his otherwise legal “beliefs, statements and associations” which Secretary of State Marco Rubio wrote in short letter, would “compromise a compelling US foreign policy interest.” A New Jersey federal judge threw out that case and Khalil was released after 104 days in detention, but the backlash keeps on coming. In this courageous conversation, Mahmoud Khalil joins Laura Flanders to discuss the night of his terrifying detainment, the “Palestinian Exception” and the case brought against him by the Trump administration. They are alleging errors on his green card application and have ordered Khalil to be deported — possibly to Algeria or Syria where his life would be under threat. Despite the risks of deportation, Mahmoud Khalil continues to speak out, and he and his legal team have filed a civil rights lawsuit with the U.S. District Court of New Jersey against the Trump administration to challenge his arrest and detention by ICE. Join Khalil and Flanders as they ask why the question of Palestine is a test for U.S. democracy — and one we are failing.“. . . [The Trump administration is] using Palestine. They are using the pretext of antisemitism and combating antisemitism to go after us because they know that this is the weakness of the Democratic party. When they go to the universities, they start with combating antisemitism, but then the second ask would be to abolish all DEI programs, to sanitize the history on slavery and the inception of America. And the list goes on and on and on.” - Mahmoud Khalil“People mistakenly think that what's happening is far from their doors. They think that this would never happen to them, because of their social status, because of their ethnicity or any of that. But what's happening around us should alarm us . . . It's not about that the U.S. is becoming authoritarian. It is authoritarianism now.” - Mahmoud KhalilGuest: Mahmoud Khalil, Human Rights AdvocateUPDATE - since this interview was recorded- “The recent decision by a federal court in Massachusetts in the AAUP v. Rubio case confirms what Mahmoud has maintained all along: that Trump administration officials have acted in concert to suppress and silence anti-genocide, pro-Palestinian speech, in violation of the First Amendment. We look forward to the remedies that court will order and to pursuing Mahmoud's own separate and ongoing federal court challenge to this unconstitutional policy.” -Ramzi Kassem, co-director of CLEAR, and one of the lawyers representing Mahmoud Khalil.Full Conversation Release: While our weekly shows are edited to time for broadcast on Public TV and community radio, we offer to our members and podcast subscribers the full uncut conversation. These audio exclusives are made possible thanks to our member supporters.Watch the special report on YouTube; PBS World Channel September 21st, and on over 300 public stations across the country (check your listings, or search here via zipcode). Listen: Episode airing on community radio September 24th (check here to see if your station is airing the show) & available as a podcast.Full Episode Notes are located HERE.Music Credit: 'Thrum of Soil' by Bluedot Sessions, and original sound design by Jeannie HopperRESOURCES:Related Laura Flanders Show Episodes:• Behind the Barricades at Columbia University: “The Encampments” for Gaza- Watch / Listen: Episode and Uncut Conversation• Israel, Hamas & Gaza: UN Insider Craig Mokhiber Exposes Genocide, Apartheid & Human Rights Failures- Watch / Listen: Episode and Uncut Conversation• Organizing for Gaza Ceasefire Through Policy & Protest: Meet JVP & NY Assemblymember Mamdani- Watch / Listen: Episode and Uncut Conversation• Israel-Palestine News - YouTube Playlist Related Articles and Resources:• Federal judge rules Trump unconstitutionally targeted Gaza war protesters for deportation, by Michael Casey, Associated Press, PBS• What is Better US, the group pushing to deport pro-Palestinain students? By Al Jazeera Staff, March 25, 2025, Al Jazeera• Google Secretly Handed ICE Data About Pro-Palestine Student Activist, by Shawn Musgrave, September 16, 2025, The Intercept• UC Berkeley Gives Trump Administration 160 Names in Antisemitism Investigation, by Brian Krans, September 12, 2025, KQED• Block the Bombs Act To Israel Support Laura Flanders and Friends by becoming a member at https://www.patreon.com/c/lauraflandersandfriends Laura Flanders and Friends Crew: Laura Flanders-Executive Producer, Writer; Sabrina Artel-Supervising Producer; Jeremiah Cothren-Senior Producer; Veronica Delgado-Video Editor, Janet Hernandez-Communications Director; Jeannie Hopper-Audio Director, Podcast & Radio Producer, Audio Editor, Sound Design; Sarah Miller-Development Director, Nat Needham-Editor, Graphic Design emeritus; David Neuman-Senior Video Editor, and Rory O'Conner-Senior Consulting Producer. 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In 2024, Columbia University became the center of a U.S. pro-Palestinian protest movement that swept across college campuses and led to more than 2,000 arrests. The legal battles surrounding student protests, particularly the case of Columbia student Mahmoud Khalil, have been making headlines. Ramzi Kassem is a professor at CUNY School of Law, the co-director of the CLEAR clinic and one of Khalil's lawyers. Kassem joined NY1's Errol Louis to discuss Khalil's legal standing, the broader implications for civil liberties and the role of the CLEAR clinic in defending protest rights against U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and post-9/11 policies. He also touched on New York Rep. Elise Stefanik calling on the chancellor of CUNY to resign for “failing Jewish students” and her referencing his position as part of Khalil's legal defense.
MSNBC's Antonia Hylton hosts “The Beat” on Monday, May 9, and reports on top Trump adviser Stephen Miller saying the administration is “looking at” ways to end due process protections for unauthorized immigrants in the country. Hylton also covers the arrest of Newark Mayor Ras Baraka during a congressional visit to a New Jersey ICE facility. Plus, Hylton reports on Trump's ongoing trade war and legal battles. Jelani Cobb, Julian Zelizer, Ramzi Kassem, Rep. Robert Garcia, Ryan Walters and Molly Jong-Fast join.
This month marks 20 years since the opening of a U.S. prison at Guantánamo Bay, despite repeated U.S. presidential promises to close it. We talk to Ramzi Kassem, a professor of law at the City University of New York, who has also defended 14 detainees at Guantanamo; and Carol Rosenberg, a military affairs reporter for the New York Times and author of Guantánamo Bay: The Pentagon's Alcatraz of the Caribbean.
After nearly 20 years at Guantanamo Bay with no charges against him, Mohammed al-Qahtani has what some attorneys describe as ‘generations’ of lawyers defending him. Last year, he was the closest he’d ever been to going home. But Donald Trump’s administration changed that and this week, President Joe Biden will have a chance to reverse that decision. What this administration does will send a signal about their resolve to close the US military prison for good.In this episode:Ramzi Kassem, a Professor of Law at the City University of New York; Shezza Abboushi Dallal (@ShezzaADallal) and Dana Jabri (@d_jabri), student attorneys at CLEAR.Connect with The Take: Twitter (@AJTheTake), Instagram (@ajthetake) and Facebook (@TheTakePod)
On Episode 32 of The Activist Files, Senior Managing Attorney Shayana Kadidal speaks with Ramzi Kassem about the case of American Muslims who were placed or kept on the No-Fly List in retaliation for refusing to spy on their communities. Ramzi, Professor of Law and Director of the CLEAR project (Creating Law Enforcement Accountability & Responsibility) at CUNY School of Law, argued Tanvir v. Tanzin before the U.S. Supreme Court on October 6, 2020, and Shane and the Center for Constitutional Rights are co-counsel (along with the law firm of Debevoise & Plimpton LLP). They discuss how our clients' lives were turned upside down by the FBI and how the men were removed from the No-Fly List just before their first major court date. They talk about the legal questions before the Court, whether the Religious Freedom Restoration Act was intended to allow for damages, and what we can expect going forward. It's a lively conversation between two lawyers who have worked together closely for many years and a peek behind the curtains of what it's like to argue a case before the highest court in the land via video camera. ResourcesTanvir v. Tanzin (formerly Tanvir v. Holder and Tanvir v. Lynch) case pageSupreme Court Case: Tanzin v. TanvirFAQs: Tanzin v. TanvirMuhammad Tanvir client bioNaveed Shinwari client bio OrganizationsThe CLEAR project (Creating Law Enforcement Accountability & Responsibility)
The Supreme Court’s first argument session of the October 2020 term is in the books and two of the lawyers who argued in it join the latest episode of Cases and Controversies to share their virtual experiences. Ramzi Kassem of CUNY law school and Sean Marotta of Hogan Lovells recount everything ranging from missing Justice Ginsburg to technical issues to what to eat for breakfast ahead of a pandemic-era remote argument. And Bloomberg Law judiciary reporter Madison Alder joins hosts Kimberly Robinson and Jordan Rubin to break down the latest in the high court confirmation process for Amy Coney Barrett, which appears secure for Republicans before the Nov. 3 elections are decided.
Ramzi Kassem, a professor of law at the City University of New York, joins co-hosts Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman to discuss his work defending Guantánamo Bay detainees. Kassem is currently working to shine a light on detainees who have been imprisoned without ever being convicted of a crime, such as his client Moath Hamza Ahmed al-Alawi, who was classified as a “forever prisoner” in 2010 despite never being convicted because he was considered too dangerous to be released. Intelligence analysts allege that he was once a bodyguard for Osama bin Laden. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Gyasi and Wes are in studio talking with Fathia Absie & Ilyas Aden from Eat With Muslims, a non-profit that gives non-muslims the chance to break bread and get an intimate look at the people behind the stereotypes. Also joining in by phone is attorney Ramzi Kassem, and organizer and activist for immigrant rights based on the east Coast. This week is all about the travel ban and everything that goes along with it!
Trump's Executive Order had so many in the streets this past weekend. With so much on our minds and hearts, we invite friends Ahmed Ali Akbar (host of our sibling podcast See Something Say Something) and Bim Adewunmi, reporter extraordinaire, to chat with us about Muslim identity and resistance. Plus, an Iranian man whose in-laws were detained at JFK airport walks us through the experience, and a pair of civil rights lawyers offer tips on how you can help if you're feeling helpless.Follow Ahmed Ali Akbar at @radbrowndads and Bim Adewunmi at @bimadew. Catch up on episodes of See Something Say Something at buzzfeed.com/seesomethingsaysomething.Subscribe to the Another Round newsletter at buzzfeed.com/anotherround/newsletter. Resources from the See Something Say Something excerpt: Zahra Billoo is a civil rights lawyer and community organizer who leads the California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). Follow her at @ZahraBilloo.Ramzi Kassem is a professor of Law at CUNY School of Law, where he directs the CLEAR project, which stands for “creating law enforcement accountability and responsibility.” Follow his work at @CUNY_CLEAR.Here's the infographic Ahmed mentions: CLEAR's Guidance on the Executive Order.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On this episode of Indivisible, we take your calls on the recent executive order by President Trump enacting a ban on travel to the United States from certain countries with heavy Muslim populations, resulting in a burst of protests across the country over the weekend. Law professor and director of the CLEAR project Ramzi Kassem clarifies the rules in place and who stands to be affected by them. We also talk to Betsy Fisher, policy director at the International Refugee Assistance Project, about the relation between resettlement policies and counter-terrorism efforts. Hosts for this episode are WNYC's Kai Wright and Anne McElvoy from The Economist. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.
Annnd we’re back! The previous episode (our live show) was supposed to be the end of Season 1. Then, President Trump issued an executive order blocking refugees, immigrants and travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries: Libya, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. We have to talk about this, and we’ll be posting a few short episodes to keep you up-to-date this week. First up, Ahmed talks with Zahra Billoo and Ramzi Kassem about what to do if you or someone you know is detained at an airport—whether you’re an immigrant, visa holder, or a Muslim citizen. Billoo is a civil rights lawyer and community organizer who leads the California chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR). Follow her at @ZahraBilloo. Kassem is a professor of Law at CUNY School of Law, where he directs the CLEAR project, which stands for “creating law enforcement accountability and responsibility.” Follow his work at @CUNY_CLEAR. Here's the infographic Ahmed mentions: CLEAR's Guidance on the Executive Order. Follow Ahmed at @radbrowndads. Follow the show at @seesomething and facebook.com/seesomethingpodcast Find more episodes at buzzfeed.com/seesomethingsaysomething Email us at saysomething@buzzfeed.com. Our music is by The Kominas. Follow them at @TheRealKominas and kominas.bandcamp.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
On this episode of Indivisible, we take your calls on the recent executive order by President Trump enacting a ban on travel to the United States from certain countries with heavy Muslim populations, resulting in a burst of protests over the weekend. "Let them in, no hate, no fear..." protesters are shouting at @GreaterMSP. Via @MPRnews #MuslimBan #ExecutiveOrder pic.twitter.com/5wBTW50CEo — Doualy Xaykaothao (@DoualyX) January 29, 2017 Law professor and director of the CLEAR project Ramzi Kassem clarifies the rules in place that target Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen and who stands to be affected by them. We also talk to Betsy Fisher, policy director at the International Refugee Assistance Project, about the relation between resettlement policies and counter-terrorism efforts. Hosts for this episode are WNYC's Kai Wright and Anne McElvoy from The Economist. Do you agree with President Trump's executive order on refugee and travel ban? #IndivisibleRadio — WNYC (@WNYC) January 31, 2017 Indivisible Week 2: POTUS Travel Ban Stirs Public Outcry