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Nights like this don't come around too often! We are locked in and ready to talk about the Bachelor finale. How did we feel about Litia's parting words? What's our take on the upcoming Bachelor in Paradise season? Tune in to find out!Some resources from the video: The Vulture article, attachment styles video, and Grant's guilty counts. Enjoy!

Listen, this episode is more unhinged than normal. Sammi's got a cold and just finished speaking for four hours straight, only to come to this jam-packed episode. We've got The Women Tell All, the Fantasy Suites, and a very delayed JILLY BOX! You won't want to miss Sammi's coughing fit as Steve throws her for an absolute loop when suggesting what nail designs she should get next.

We're in hometowns already, and there were some clear standouts, and one...not so much. We take a lot of off-ramps on this episode, including warning our audience against accidentally falling into alt-right pipelines, how Sammi was right about Hannah Berner (VINDICATION), and teasing a fturue store review! For those following along at home, the Jilly Boxes are still delayed in transit. Sniff. Here's an article on Grant's music. Also here's the take on Hannah that Sammi was talking about on the episode.

We're in Scotland! Adn the outlook is perhaps dreich (am I using that right?). The women are focused on their enemy of the last two weeks, Carolina, but we think she's 100% in the right. Controversial opinion? Maybe!! But at least she isn't promoting her music career. Check out the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPujIV2irvs

This week, we get confirmation from Sammi's mom about all of her wild stories, plus we talk about this week's episode, I guess. It was a frustrating watch for both of us, mainly because we can't figure out what the drama is about, exactly. Carolina being honest? We just need a villain, huh? Anyway, go follow us on Bluesky so we have more than 3 followers, k love you byeee

Is there drama in the house, or is everyone just tired and dealing with GI issues? Someone will have to write a tell-all like Courtney for us to know for sure, but what we DO know is that for these women, emotions are running high. We talk about kid logic, appendectomies, Daytrader, and you know, whatever else we want, like normal. Stick around until the end for our take on Tyler Cameron's latest kerfuffle. And while the Internet Archive still exists, you can learn more about Day Trader Here. Check out this great TikTok for solid detective work on the Rose / Carolina situation.

Are they crisis bangs or just cute bangs? You'll have to watch our video to know for sure! On this episode, we talk about the one-sided beef between Allie Jo and Zoe, the continued domination of Chloie and Zoe, and how Grant is maybe the best singer so far in Bachelor Nation!

We are SO back! This may be the very first season with all unique first names, no last initial required, and we are loving it! In this episode, we talk about Insomnia Cookies, our ongoing beef with Illinois, body glitter, and the Jane Goodall of hot girls. Here's an old Jane Goodall of Hot Girls article, and the Tell the Bees take on the Matt & Rachael breakup. (Also, to be fair, we hadn't watched that ANNOYING fry video, but also, let's not act like an immature man is the Antichrist). Our favorites so far? Gotta be Chloie and Zoe. And, of course, Parisa for channelling Sammi's love of PowerPoints.

Before we hit the next season of The Bachelor, we give you one more bonus episode: Season 1 of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.First off, for more great LDS commentary, check out Jordan and McKay, the best in the game.In this episode, we talk about the season, Nickelodeon, weird Wisconsin stuff, our desire to try Swig, and more. Are we team Whitney or team Taylor? You probably already know, but you won't know for sure unless you listen!If you want to see us do more bonus episodes on other topics (books, TV shows, movies), let us know in the comments of wherever you're seeing this or email us at popculturediner@gmail.com. We're here for you and we'll see you next week!

It only took us 2 years, but we finally did it! Here's our long-awaited, VERY deep dive of Courtney Robertson's book, I Didn't Come Here to Make Friends. It is jam-packed, but we strongly recommend reading the book and revisiting the season for more context. And, here's Ben's Cream Dream video. Watch at your own risk.

Another season has wrapped, and the first Golden Bachelorette season is behind us! While it was a very obvious episode, it was still nice seeing Joan get a happy ending. We hope it continues for many years to come. We talk a little bit about some future special episodes coming, news from The Onion, and how we feel about Grant's season. See you a few times over winter break and then again in late January!

Can you believe it's already time for another Jilly Box? And on the Men Tell All day? What a treat! We do an epic, celebration-based unboxing, interspersed with wholesome tales of the Manion Men. What a season. These men will be missed, but hopefully producers take our hints and give us Paradise! P.S.: Please don't yell at Sammi for totally missing who Barbara is. We know how you One Tree Hill fans can get.

Consider this an interlude, a break in the action before things wrap up for good. We've created a very tight, 30-ish minute episode to get you up to speed on the Finale (part 1). Stay tuned for what is either a very thrilling conclusion or the thing we've expected all along. P.S. you can check out Sammi's friend's Twitch channel here.

We're already at hometowns! We get not one, but TWO , Chicago dates, a Lake Tahoe outing, and a Wichita ranch. Could a Golden Bachelorette ask for anything more? We spend a lot of time dunking on Chicago in this one, sorry in advance. Also, go say nice things to @iced__tay on TikTok and check out Sammi's TikTok @SammiDitto for movie deep dives

We're back with another double episode! 2 times the fun in the same amount of time! We jump back and forth a bit between weeks 4 and 5, so bear with us. Do we already know who "the one" is at the end of this? And who stands the best chance at being the Golden Bachelor? Keep watching and listening for our takes.

You get a double-dose of us, but also basically half of Sammi because her camera kept freezing, so that counts for something, right? On this week's episode, we talk about Kim's amazing song, Charles being the internet's boyfriend, and all the men making us cry about every 10 minutes or so. Have we turned the corner on Guy? We think so!! Hear our predictions at the end and stories throughout - Helen Keller, tae kwon do, walking for cheese - we really covered it all, as always.

It's chaotic in our worlds, but thank goodness we have Joan to keep our stuff together. It was a pretty great start to the season. Lots of promising men, perhaps soem foreshadowing of bonding events to come, and there are some people we just want to hear from more! Will we get the chance? Will they give us Pablo in Golden Paradise? One can dream!

Even when your house has come down wih the plague, the show must go on for Jenn's sake! Sammi and Steve spend 90 minutes breaking down essentially the last 30 minutes of the finale and After the Final Rose. Is Devin diabolical or illogical? Was Jenn treated more unfairly than the other Bachelorettes? And are producers really that evil? All this and more in this episode.

What a packed episode this week! We cover the fantasy suites, the Men Tell All, and a Fall 2024 Jilly Unboxing. It's hard to say how this is all going to shake out after what we've seen this week. We make our predictions, talk about in-home salad bars, and appreciate all of Jeremy's best moments at The Men Tell All. Join us next week for the finale, and before we know it, The Golden Bachelorette!

This week was technical difficulty after technical difficulty to get you here. In fact, if you watch the video, you'll see animated text over half of a black screen about 20 minutes in when we completely lost Steve. But, we're here and that's what counts! The recording and publishing process is sometimes more exciting than the Bachelorette episode itself. We talk about animatronics, run clubs, Sammi's favorite, and, at the end, conspiracy theories. Join us next week for a less buggy episode and a Jilly Box!

This one really gets into the weeds, but we cover it all - the fun, the serious, the trigger-warning-worthy. But hey, at least we use our own words that come out of our own brain, unlike Sam, who is like one of those dolls with a string in its back that can say like 5 things. The radio station was truly a sight to behold. We also cover Sammi's weird contempt of Seattle (get a grip, Sammi), some very serious allegations against Marcus, and our predictions for the end of the show. And...we talk about the new Bachelor, already? Wow, that was fast!

Look at that, we're back with another episode so quickly! While this week wasn't the most eventful, it does show very clearly who's in the front of the pack. We talk about Jenn's obsession with flying (obviously), Sammi's slightly criminal past, and Jenn's toxic ex-boyfriend. Who will make it to hometowns? We place our predictions at the end.

Friends, I am so sorry you're getting this so late! Blame technical difficulties on multiple fronts, but we are live with this now, so isn't it the intention that counts?This week we cover a LOT of ground - men who can't take "no" for an answer, Michiganders vs. Wisconsinites, Tyme machines, VR - this episode has it all.

We'll just say this right off the bat: This week, the men really impressed us with their Thunder Down Under routines. They've got some great alternative careers waiting for them if this season doesn't pan out the way they hoped. We have a large group date, a small group date, and only one-on-one, but plenty of interpersonal drama scattered throughout the episode. Aaron, Sam M, not gonna lie - you're both making us side with Devin, and we don't know how to feel about that. We throw a lot of references at you this week (OK, it's all Sammi), so here are some to check out: Skydiving Sabotage - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-44241364Ballerina Farms (she has 8 kids, a slight difference) - https://www.thetimes.com/magazines/the-sunday-times-magazine/article/meet-the-queen-of-the-trad-wives-and-her-eight-children-plfr50cgkScamanda Podcast - https://lionsgatesound.com/shows/scamanda

We're off to Australia! I'm going to be honest, the best part about this episode is when we start to unravel, in real time, the manufactured nature of one of the contestants. Is anything about him real? Find out more by listening and watching! We also talk about this great Screenrant article. Give it a read for greater insight on our revelation. Sammi's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sammiditto

Another season is off to the races! We spend this first episode talking about the men, our first impressions, placing bets on our favorites, and chatting about some of the other hot gossip in Bachelor Nation.

In this episode of Rose Plate Special, we unbox the Jilly Summer 2024 box, all themed around a coastal beach vacation! We catch up in some Bachelor news, dive deep into a lawyer's blog, and wonder why Ryan has to be so poetic just all of the time.

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 11 Did we get something that's never happened on The Bachelor before? Yes. Was it the most dramatic finale we could have expected? No. But that's what we love about this show, right? Sometimes we get a fence jump, and sometimes we get a red herring with a bit of girls' girling on the side. All in all, it was a great season and we can't wait to see more from Jenn, and hopefully Maria joins everyone in Paradise soon!

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 10 It feels so refreshing to finally have a great Bachelor again and a wonderful group of women. Maria demonistrated what it means to be a girl's girl, even when your delivery isn't totally perfect. We have a hard conversation about bullying (hey, Bachelor producers, how about you offer more to the people on your show?), sit through bloopers, and speculate on what the finale will bring.

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 9 The biggest news in this week's episode is how good Sammi's eagle eyes are (near-sightedness and lazy eye WHERE?) We've got Daisy in Dreams, while Kelsey and Rachel are in Secrets. What gives? We've got the same (or an extremely similar) date set-up with the leap of faith as Gabby and Erich took. The one redeeming source of goodwill (but also drama) came from the Golden Bachelor women joining to impart wisdom and just the right amount of paranoia in Kelsey to maybe make her crack? We'll find out next week!

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 8 Another week of Sammi being right. Wow, it never gets old! We don't have a lot to say about hometowns, but we sure talk about long walks and free channels a lot in this one. Now we wait to see if our Maria is served justice as the next Bachelorette.

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 7 and Spring 2024 Jilly Box! For those who want the YouTube, go over to our page! This is a very special week for you, our loyal listeners, because it's a crossover episode! We have the Spring 2024 Jilly Box, plus our recounting of Week 7 of Joey's journey. The week before hometowns always means crunch time, but in our opinion, this was a slower episode compared to all the drama that had surfaced in the previous weeks. Sammi had a chance to show off her morning-themed Jilly Box goods and also gloat about being right on about who would stay and who would go. Steve just got to look on with amazement that JILLY HAS DONE IT AGAIN!

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 6 Bienvenue, loyal listeners! We are in Montreal for this week's episode, or as we meanly called it, Europe Junior. It's all jokes over here, what do we know, we're in flyover country! What a banner week for Maria! Other good things happened as well. We make our predictions for hometowns and look forward to another stellar week. P.S., Jilly Box is dropping soon! For more info on Kelsey T.'s upbringing, check out this interview she did a few years ago.

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episodes 4 & 5 As you work your way through this episode, I want to remind you that you LIKE us. That way, you won't get mad when you hear Sammi jumble up all the details for the dates. This episode starts with a public apology and the next one will, too, we guess. But Maria? Nothing to be sorry about.

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 3 Another week of us failing to see why we would need to solve a problem like Maria because she doesn't appear to be a problem. We talk about this in the episode, but here's a hint for everyone reading this - if you say the word "bully" about someone in the house, and nobody has a clue who you're talking about, maybe there is NO bully in your house. We go into full marketing audit on this one, so we are sorry for anyone who doesn't like that. Stay until the end when Sammi becomes a bully (and will inevitably apologize later).

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 2 We're in week 2 and people are already picking favorites! The entire internet seems to be Team Daisy but we're over here representing for Team Maria all day, every day. That sprinkle heir screams main character energy, as Charity even agrees per Maria's IG. So let's see where the QUEEN takes us this season.

Rose Plate Special: Bachelor Joey - Episode 1 Maybe we're jinxing it, but we're really excited about this season! Sisters, Canadians, and Hallmark Movie stars (not really, but...kinda!) This season is going to have a little bit of everything, and people are already bringing the gossip on Reddit. We discuss the season, most of the bios, and Oscar snubs, of course.

The Golden Wedding There's not much to say about a wedding that's just one big sponsorship showcase, but we managed to fill an hour opining on generational differences, the Bachelor years gone by, and that cursed Kwanzaa cake by Sandra Lee (those who want to check it out can do so here). We stan Molly on this podcast. That's the main takeaway. We'll be back next week with more Bachelor nation news, Joey's season, and our book review!

Special Episode: Jilly Box Winter 2023 Opening and Bachelor Nation News Missing out on all the fun? You can check out the unboxing on YouTube: https://youtu.be/lFLqVxxjDQA

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - All the Finales (FINALLY!) Wow. Wow. So we recorded this jam-packed episode this past weekend, but Sammi has been way too busy to post it (sorry, it's finals, I'm so sorry!) Of course, between recording and now, every couple on BIP broke up!?!? Anyway, enjoy this extremely dated episode. Jilly unboxing coming very soon!

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 8 What would Gerry say if we told him we loved this season of Golden Bachelor? Something like "Oh, I feel the same way" (in not-so-slight Kermit voice) The complete and utter audacity of the Bachelor to give us almost nothing going into Thanksgiving is so egregious that we don't even know what to say about it. So instead, Sammi talked a lot about her new microphone. Enjoy!

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 7 Sammi saw people on Reddit talking about being tired of BIP, but how is that possible with all of the glorious shake-ups on our hands? The Golden Bachelor Women Tell All was predictably amicable with, of course, a moment that made us cry. The beach has been so dysfunctional, it's why we love it. And we get an update on the poop heard 'round the world!

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 6 Double standards, horse girls, and new faces - this week had it all. We get a little into the Reddit muck again, but no spoilers! Sammi just keeps getting the annoying popups on her phone, and sometimes, in weak moments, she swims in the mess. Transcript - Please Forgive Typos! Sammi Hello I'm Sammi and you're listening to rose plate special the most dramatic almond mommingest Merry Goroundingest menschingist recap podcast     Steve Oh hello and I'm Steve.   Steve Ever.   Sammi Of the bachelor ever. Yeah, that was me not having any ideas again. Ah but I will tell you thank you? Um, first of all, we're well we're not that late I guess I don't have to apologize I was going to say but it was kind of interesting because we were both busy with different things. My battery.   Steve Um, good job.   Sammi Just decided to completely stop working on my computer and ah become very bulgy. So it's a good thing I replaced it the same day because I don't know what would have happened Otherwise yeah I It was weird because I saw.   Steve Um.   Steve Um, who yeah no I don't think I don't think like a lithium battery is supposed to do that. That's it's it.   Sammi Um, like I watched a video on how to replace my laptop battery cause I was like do I want to pay an extra $ to have someone else. Do it no because my whole goal is to like build a computer in  and I'm like if I can't replace a laptop battery. Do I have any business building a computer.   Steve Um.   Steve Right.   Sammi No, so I can do this and I watch like some videos and I bought like a little fix it kit and okay, are you familiar with the store micro center because I had never heard of it. Why why did I not know that this place existed until yesterday.   Steve Um, oh yeah, Microsoft is dove I mean there's.   Steve I don't know they're super cool I mean there's not  near me now. But when I used to live in ah Detroit there was there's  pretty close spy. So yeah, you go there all the time. It's awesome.   Sammi Yeah, like I had no clue but that place was bustling. It was like an hour before close and it was so busy and I did like an online order pickup and I got the battery and I got the toolkit and stuff and and the guy who behind the counter was like first of all before I could even say anything it was like I like your outfit. Was like thank you and then he and then he asked oh then he saw my last name and then he said it reminded him of someone from like the witcher and and he goes he goes have you read that I said no and then he said something like you strike me as an english person and I didn't know if he meant like I am english.   Steve Um, yeah.   Steve Um, oh ah.   Sammi I like the subject english or I like or I like english shows I had no I I mean yes to all  I guess but I was like so confused and he's and I was just like ah I'm not opposed to it and he said great and that was an okay answer.   Steve Um, like you Mary Poppins ah     Steve Me.   Sammi And then we continued and then he tried to he was like oh you know what? I would get is like the bigger toolkit because that thing has everything but I don't I didn't know how much I needed. But anyway it was It was very intense in a way I like and I'll definitely be back. Ah for some sweet sweet bundles.   Steve New.   Sammi When I build my computer but I was really proud of myself the video that I watched that demonstrated how to change the battery. It looked just like mine.   Steve Um, yeah.   Steve Said That's always nice too. It makes you feel better when you're doing it. You're like okay I could definitely do this. Oh.   Sammi Well I mean down to the like it looked bloated and so I was like what is happening but I mean this computer's almost four years old and the only thing I'd have I've had to replace is the battery so and with today's age of planned obsolescence.   Steve That's not bad.   Sammi Um, I think that's pretty good. Yeah, Thanks! Thanks! Thanks! a lot. Um, so anyway, yeah, so that's what I was doing yesterday. But now we're here today and I want to tell you that while I was watching the Golden Bachelor this last week I was.   Steve Um, yeah,  years a good run, nice work.   Sammi Flipping coupons which I think just doubles the Boomer energy. Yes I was getting really fed up because we just had a bunch of like you know mailers just stacked up in front and I was like.   Steve Um, real golden bachelor behavior there. Jesus.   Steve I.   Sammi You know what? this is the perfect time to just cut out the things I know we might actually use organize them by month and put them put them away So that's what I did while I was watching this fits up.   Steve Good act now Dear listeners I will have you know that I ah I watched intently I I did not blink I did not do anything else I didn't go to the bathroom I didn't eat I just I just watched the show because I care about what's more I got it. Um.   Sammi Oh okay, okay, all right all right? Yeah, okay I see where I was like where is this going? um.   Steve Um, what a great setup for a show too because I love how they basically lead off the show. It's hometowns. It's gonna be weird and different because it's just no, it's it's like a totally different vibe which.   Sammi Because there's no parents to please? yeah.   Steve But it starts off by basically setting Gary up for failure and I love this because he says in the beginning. He's like I do that I only want to say I love you to  other woman rest of my life bro I got to tell you it ain't going to play out that way.   Sammi Um, ah yeah.   Steve So I just as soon as he said that I'm like but.   Sammi I was kind of surprised I was like I can't believe he's getting himself into like Clayton territory over here sticky situation. Um, yeah.   Steve Yeah, yeah, it's like don't don't back yourself in that corner because it's not according you want to be and you got you got to leave as many options open as you can. Yeah.   Sammi You just get wrapped up in the moment production the vibes the family the grandkids going we'll call you pop pop and then you're like oh God I Want to be pop pop that sounds so nice. Yeah.   Steve We all want to be pop pop and masterful editing this week on golden bachelor too because the way this is set up and the emotional journey they take us on is as people just viewing the show. It's so good because as soon as he says that I'm like oh are you going to commit to that. And then you kind of watch where things go and it's it's really masterful stuff I love it. Juicy and also heartwarming.   Sammi Yeah, it was it was heartwarming. Um, so first we have Teresa and um I know we left on a cliffhanger but like I feel like Teresa's gone right.   Steve Oh she's done so well, it's it's great because if you watch just the first like  minutes of this episode. You're like oh Theresa is doing great and then you watch the other ones you're like oh no Theresa but.   Sammi So you think okay.   Sammi She lost compared to the other ones if you just heard a weird noise that was me pulling out my lipton. It could be the weirdest bubbly noise on my side anyway, um so Teresa is first. She bugs me was my note I don't know I just yeah, she's like.   Steve You.   Sammi She kind of channels the same energy that jes does like I'm just a baby you know and I just like no thanks? Um, but they're meeting so Jerry are Gary's meeting like the daughter son in law grandkids and sisters and oh this was sad.   Steve Um, you.   Sammi Okay, Teresa's grandsons kind of sold her out. They were like well she comes over a lot because she's lonely oh like damn all right and then and then okay this was like such a they have to have like at least  cornball like boomer moment in each of these episodes and the     Steve Ah, yeah.   Steve Um.   Sammi This episode was when he was talking to the grandkids and they're like she she does that thing with her lips and pictures and then they were all doing duck lips. Um, and I was like this just feels like a  joke but okay sure um and they're just like o oh like chick Chik Chicko Teresa oh     Steve Um.   Sammi So duck clips. Um, but yeah, so the reason I said alba mom do you think Teresa's an Alan Mom I just like feel like she is I don't know I'm getting Almond mom energy from her that's all I'll say um, but it was like yeah it was like a pretty benign.   Steve Um, she definitely could be I think there's there's there's potential there. Yeah.   Sammi Hometown like the grandkids were like you could be our new pop-up and you know everyone was like well she's just so sweet. She's just so sweet and you'd have a really good time with her because she's sweet.   Steve All I Love Gary's playing coy because it's just like we are you Pep pop now and you just look all I do't know maybe I will be oh who? Ah I love this. So yeah, it's It's mostly like.   Sammi And he's like I don't know maybe we can do ducklips together later. Ah yeah.   Steve Standard family time. Whatever it's going. Well it's going good and you're thinking ok like nothing bad here and and that's how it continues and then they they head to the jersey shore as you do little Jim Tan laundry they're on the Ferris wheel and she.   Sammi Ah, yeah.   Steve She drops she drops the I love you like she's she's fall in love with them and all this and he what does he say? Oh he's this is amazing. Um, because it's you got to like with the I Love used fair thrill.   Sammi Yes I said mary go round I meant I meant Ferris wheel I had to like Google real quick.   Steve So if someone says I love you on the bachelor and you're not ready to say I love you or you can't because the show has dictated that you can't you have to come up with like a way to be like that's so cool without like that like makes them feel validated but like without reciprocating.   Sammi That's amazing.   Steve And he says e wrote this down that makes me feel so special so like okay, there's this not answer because he can't say it yet and and this is me like based on the on what he says in the beginning and based on this I'm thinking ok gary is he's saving the I love you He's going to drop it that. During like the the grandpa fantasy suite or like the at the very end or we're going to get and I love you later but then but then he doesn't say it to her on the Ferris wheel. But then we cut to him just like getting the you know like the confessional style like.   Sammi Ah.   Steve Productions just interviewing him and he says that he's fallen in love again and they's in love with Teresa he says he's in love with Teresa and so my initial thought is like oh shit I do this this went pretty well. But I think go that it but that fuck it well so I guess it's done right? We're done because he said he's always saying I love you.   Sammi Well and he didn't just well and he didn't just say that. Okay, he said for someone who paid only attention to the show. Um, can't believe you miss this? Ah so he said ah I'm not just falling in love I'm.   Steve Right.   Sammi In love for the first time since  I'm in love again, that's what he said. yeah that's what he said     Steve Wow. Ah, you mean love with Theresa yeah, that's what he says? Um, so then so then we are led to believe and this is the mask for editing. We're like oh fucking done deal right? It's over. We know that he said he's only going to say I love you to one woman and it's Teresa.   Sammi Yeah, you're like time to pack it up and go we're done I Guess so.   Steve And I didn't think it was gonna be Teresa. But here we are all but here's are that little dirty dog. He yeah, he's he swerves us. He swerves us because it turns out this is a man who loves everyone and perhaps he loves tersa least of all.   Sammi He does.   Steve Right? ah.   Sammi Yes, at least yeah, that's at least that's a thing. Um, So yeah I mean it seems like it goes well and then and then he goes on the date with faith and he's like oh like ah she looks. Awesome and Wow like he's just kind of gets like stars and his eyes are on Faith. He's just like Wow and then they have like so they go on horseback and they have the most awkward horseback Kiss ever No, it looks like it hurts.   Steve Oh he loves that horse girl. Oh.   Steve It's not good and then and then she says the weirdest stuff faith is constantly doing weird stuff and I'm kind of into it but like only because I don't have to experience it directly. But at some point they're like doing their awkward like whatever ride around thing on the horses and. She's like she's like oh my my old horse is buried over there something like it's such a weird thing to say my horse is buried. There.   Sammi Um, ah yeah, she was like I can't move because my horse is buried over there and he was just like and he's like well yeah, he just goes. Well yeah, it's really tough that would be tough like.   Steve I Like think of like ominous things You don't want people to say to you and my horse is buried over. There is like top of that list for me.   Sammi I Mean yeah, it would be worse to say like my ex is buried there but you know yeah my horse is buried. There is like definitely up there. Um, yeah I mean it's interesting I Do think her family is pretty cool. Um.   Steve Um, yeah, yeah.   Steve M.   Steve Um, oh sure. Ah I don't think so I could be wrong. They do look a lot of like they could be oh know.   Sammi Question are her son's twins.   Sammi They look a lot alike. But yeah I just couldn't tell anyway. Um.   Steve Great. But I mean and and then you know other than the horse right? It's basically it's the same Teresa stuff. You know it's a lot of like you know are you are you? The new pep pep they they all have their pep pep moments pop pep pop pop papa plate. Let's play. Let's.   Sammi Pep Pep Pep Pep pop up and papa.   Steve To throw around the old Pig skin with the grandkids or maybe not grandkids. We don't know how this is gonna end up. But yeah.   Sammi Yeah, so yeah, so um, but yeah, they're just kind of like are you in love and then um and then he goes Yeah I kind of think I am um so.   Steve Um, great.   Sammi And then I wrote so he says in love with Teresa and then he also says like in love with faith or whatever and then um oh my gosh faith sister almost made me cry because she's talking to gary and she's just like it's ah it's a really rare thing for faith to trust people with her heart. So like don't. Get up you know and she's like ah.   Steve Faith. It's a little kooky and she's she's like yeah I don't even I don't even believe in love and he's like whoki but this is the interesting thing and this is what turned it for me is after they have that like weird exchange. Ah.   Sammi Um.   Steve With Beth the face sister they like Beth says something like she says like oh I can tell that you're in love with faith right? and instead of brushing that off because then face like oh you see out. Ah, ah. Gary instead of like just laughing and just like playing it. Cool. He's like oh would you see that and then she said I would say that and then they say they say I love you to each other. So now we have this bizarro position right? because he says he's only going to say it to  person. He says it off camera to Teresa. But now on camera he has said I love you to faith. So this is like and my my brain is just exploding at this point because like how how how what's going on my my my world has been shattered I'm ok with it because I don't think Theresa should win. But. It's just wild right? it's.   Sammi I I suppose it's wild. It's wild I don't know if I would use the word wild but you did so I'll let you use that word.   Steve Yeah I but like what is so the other thing is to like obviously it's it's edited in a way where we're allowed to like it's it's done this way intentionally to mess with me I get that. Thank you bachelor but like. When he said that he was only going to say I love you to  person like what is the order that this is going in who actually got the first I love you that is interesting to me and then at some point like.   Sammi Um, that's a good question because he did seem kind of hesitant to say it. But then he was like well yeah I mean I guess I am you know and then he was just like yeah you know what? and then I mean he looks at faith like like oh you know? so.   Steve Yeah, yeah, and the the wild part to me is at some point despite saying that he only wanted to say those words I love you to  other woman. He was just like oh well, you he just gave up on it. Ah.   Sammi Yeah.   Sammi Yeah, well I mean I think you know maybe that's just that comes with age. You're just like whatever okay is that gonna be something you get that upset about we don't have time. Um, yeah I mean it was interesting and they're like they're like kissing and stuff and the grandkids are like E Um, at the end.   Steve Um, whatever and I got time.   Steve Who is.   Sammi And that my only note was that he's gonna get himself in an entanglement. Um, yeah I can see it I'm excited because there is gonna be a women tell all. So if it comes up. It'll come up then but I was I wasn't sure if they were gonna do a women tell all so I was like actually kind of happy that.   Steve Um, this is straight up entanglement situation.   Steve Yeah, what? What do these women have to really they they don't much to tell other than like I guess they could be mad about that but they probably won't be and they're so nice to each other so it'll just make we're all best friends we play pickle ball in Fort Lauderdale now like that's going to be the whole thing.   Sammi They're doing it.   Sammi I think it's going to be a little bit of like the cathy. Well I don't know well I okay here's the thing if Teresa ends up going home then she might be there. You know hard to say though hard to say um, but yeah, so so that's that's the only thing I think I mean regardless Kathy is going to.   Steve Um, who yeah.   Sammi Her mind about it. It just depends on if someone else is there also listening or whatever. Um, so okay, so so now Gary's basically in my city essentially next door. Um, and and he's with Leslie and.   Steve I.   Sammi And she and Leslie calls him a mensch. Um, which is sweet and I love the minnesota accents. It just feels very cozy, very much like home very much love it and um, we find out a little bit more like um that you know her brother's the one who's going to be protective because.   Steve Martin Love that.   Sammi And this sounds like yeah so hard because he like picked her up from school or whatever and and she's like where's my dad and he's like not here. Ah, he's dead. Ah so that was messed up and so her brother like.   Steve Um.   Sammi Yeah, had like a major role in her life growing up and he's very protective and it sounds like she's been with a bunch of Zeros absolute losers and tools which I believe like I mean she's really I mean I hate to be like that like she's really pretty.   Steve Um, yeah.   Sammi And she's like a dancer and stuff and I'm sure she attracted some real chodes. You know so like not not shocking, not her fault but not shocking and ah her brother just is like a bizarro version of my dad. Ah so that was strange ah and.   Steve You.   Steve Um, yeah.   Sammi Ah, yeah I mean I think it's a good conversation that they had. He seems to like Gary so that wasn't like too hard to like prove you know I don't know being trustworthy or whatever. Um the grandkids are these grandkids are the best ones? do you. Love my grandma like they asked a bunch of but like weren't they the ones who who did the the scripted stuff like are you here for the white weasens I do like where well.   Steve Um, yeah.   Steve Oh yeah, because if you get a kid that like does that voice you got he got to exploit it and I agree with you % these are the best kids as someone who is like vehemently antich childrenre like I mean you can go have some I don't care I just don't want to like be around him.   Sammi You just don't want to deal them deal with them. Yeah, yeah.   Steve No, why are they always? They're always covered in like boogers or food and they're just they're not smart I mean? yeah yeah, what do you  Oh you are yeah I could tell like you know, um baby. Yeah, ah, but no these these kids are cute.   Sammi God just grow up already. What's your problem just be smart already. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you you talk like you're  we like yeah I'm in third grade. Yeah, they're really key. Yeah, yeah, um.   Steve I Don't want to like be responsible for him. But I'm glad someone is.   Sammi Yeah, so then she went from saying falling love to in love and she's like I'm crazy about you and he says and he's like I love you and I will say in terms of the women into on paper Leslie makes the most sense because she's.   Steve Moon.   Steve Oh yeah, yeah.   Sammi Not that far away like they can find they could move to Chicago they could meet in the middle you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I mean it's like if you're already like in the midwest you kind of know the deal and like do you want to stay in Indiana like probably not.   Steve Yeah, yeah, our Milwaukee will welcome you with open arms here I'm I'm here for you. Gary.   Sammi Like you want to move to Minnesota or Wisconsin or something like that.   Steve Um, well and and Teresa especially like comes with a lot of the ah the the big I don't know the geographical baggage because the family was even like they were like oh she's lonely and but also she spends every single day with my children. How will that change here. He's like. I don't know we'll make it work. It's like bro I don't know if you will. Ah.   Sammi Yeah, yeah, and I mean with faith I Think if he's open to like moving I I don't think that there's any other way with her. It's yeah her horse necessary. Well and she's still working in stuff and.   Steve Um, yeah I mean her horse is buried there like what it.   Sammi I mean but I could see him saying I want to total change a pace and let's do this for a while and then like once we retire let's decide what else we want to do and I could see faith also changing her mind and moving or whatever but I feel like if they moved they'd move somewhere I don't know like.   Steve Um.   Steve Yeah, why? Why would anyone live in Indiana come on.   Sammi Not indiana like if it was the  of them I don't know I did it for a few semesters and that was enough um no offense to all of our who's your listeners. Um, but yeah, like it's. Yeah, if it was them I feel like they would probably just like live other places in like California or something like that you know or like they they do like you know hippie dippy stuff in Arizona. Whatever um, so that just it's like I feel like he would change his habits to be with her. Um, whereas with Leslie it's like yeah I think I don't know just from outside observation. It just seems like it makes the most sense it would be the easiest to adjust. Um, they would no matter what no matter where they settled if it was like somewhere in between or on one side or the other they still wouldn't be.   Steve Um.   Sammi Too far away from their families. So yeah, it just seems like that makes sense and Leslie also kind of seems open. She didn't say I she didn't say anything about like I would have to stay here right? I didn't think so so.   Steve Um, yeah.   Steve No I don't think so.   Sammi That's so that's the only thing so I mean it wasn't surprising to me. Oh I also made a note that Leslie Looked awesome at the row ceremony cause she did um it wasn't surprising to me that he gave her the first rose like that made sense to me. Um.   Steve Um, yeah, um.   Steve V.   Sammi And then we're met with a cliffhanger cause he gets upset and he leaves the room duh da da.   Steve This is an extreme cliffhanger too like just absolute because the way that this is constructed is it's it's masterful stuff. He says the I love yous to everybody and then you give out the roast and then and then the other thing is is just like ok well Teresa has had. Such a I I don't know if you can say she's had the poll position but she has clearly been up there for a long time. Um, but then I don't know you know it's like faith is always just kind of buzzing around that same area and then you realize too that. Like Teresa didn't get the actual I love you on camera and does that matter and it's and it's really it's like I don't I don't know what's going to happen.   Sammi So yeah and he said in love to to faith and love to Leslie right? Just saying.   Steve Um, correct and I don't know if that makes a difference to him I'm not sure it's the bachelor. So oh batch nash for sure. Ah, but also gary if if I don't think he should be.   Sammi Makes a difference to bachelor nation.   Steve  I think you should be as open as humanly possible to moving because we mentioned the Indiana but also consider that he is currently living in what he thought would be a retirement home chosen specifically for his deceased wife and it is a constant reminder of his pain and trauma i.   Sammi Ah, yeah.   Steve Know if that's the best place for you to be gary. There's a lot of other places I I don't know.   Sammi Yeah, that's why I'm saying like if he wanted a major change I could see that with faith I think Leslie is like the most familiar thing that he could do so and and Teresa I just don't think it makes sense I think she's gone if she sticks around next week then it's.   Steve Um, yeah.   Steve Yeah, yeah.   Sammi Obviously Leslie yeah.   Steve Yeah I think Leslie has to win at this point I mean getting the first house here is huge barring some sort of incident in the next week which lord knows that could happen. Um, ah faith is intriguing to me and I I like having her around just because she's such a weirdo.   Sammi I Think she's the underdog. Yeah, she'd make a good golden bachelorette. Yep yeah, we'll see yeah I don't I'm not so.   Steve Yeah, yeah, total weirdo I would love that for her. She's got some quirks. It's good. But I yeah I don't I don't know.   Sammi Sure exactly what'll happen. But I think I think we're starting to see it take shape. Oh yeah, oh yeah, all right? So now.   Steve Um, oh yeah, so now that our minnesota gal is there. She's got her rose and you know there's  other gals. There's also a golden rose they show. Ah.   Sammi Oh do is that what the last rose is going to be. It's gonna be golden. Oh I love it. Oh hot dish. All you know what? Okay this is bad because I still live in Wisconsin right? but like base essentially minnesota.   Steve Oh yeah, just the the same same color as my tater Tat hot dish after I pull it out of the oven. Ah.   Steve Barely.   Sammi And the other day I was in like a a Zoom room and someone mentioned it was like a co-working space and somebody mentioned like duck duck goose and I was like well you know in Minnesota it's duck duck gray duck that I felt like yes yes.   Steve Ooh.   Steve Um, what is that true. That's so fucked up.   Sammi I Felt like such a traitor I felt like such a traitor I was like I don't even why am I defending because it was like a crossword clue or something it was like duck duck blank and there was one Minnesotan in the room as well and they were like gray duck and I was like I know that like there's there's actually a place. Um, in St Paul I Think where you can buy ah pint glasses that say either duck duck goose or duck duck gray duck on them to like pledge your allegiance but it makes no sense like why is it duck duck Gray Duck. It's and it doesn't.   Steve Um, a wow.   Steve Um, you know what? the fuck's a gray duck. That's not even a animal like what.   Sammi Like fool people anymore. You know what? I mean it's not like you're saying it to fake someone out. It's a great duck. There's like a lot of gray ducks too like you know like.   Steve Um, that's like what I would call a goose if I didn't know what a goose was right I Think what's that gray duck over there and they'd be like no dummy. It's a goose like what.   Sammi A lot of like lady ducks are of the gray persuasion or or graye their grayish.   Steve The great persuasion I don't know they general Earth Tones I don't know if I would call them fully grayed out though I don't know. Yeah I mean.   Sammi Okay, now I'm googling gray ducks but the problem the problem is gray duck has been co-opted by this area so you get a bunch of brands.   Steve Um, yeah, no I'm I'm looking at Gray ducks right now these are like like shades of charcoal and white and like brown. This is not a gray duck a gray dock is just a goose if you don't know what a goose is period I'm done with it.   Sammi There is a there is a Pacific black duck That's called the gray duck that duck is also brown but you know what to to tuck their gray. So just saying maybe maybe colorblind people name them. Yeah.   Steve Um, ah wow. It's so yeah, maybe I like Tuck so I'll I'll give him a pass. No one else gets a pass though.   Sammi Yeah I have no idea why? Okay someone said duck duck gray duck was scandinavian and origin I don't know Anka Anka Graanka yeah I don't know could make a great dissertation. Not for me.   Steve Whatever.   Steve And that for you.   Sammi Not for me I've got plenty to write about. Let's talk about bat I mean pay me days all right? Ah so oh God you know is I hope so I was ah I was just thinking about that the other day I was like I hope she pooped because I didn't give us an up tape.   Steve Um I would love to you think that girl's pooping yet.   Steve No, she's not like she's got like butt sesis or something at this point like she yeah they never gave us an update. The only update they gave us was that last rose ceremony where he was just like she didn't poop like you can't just say that and not give us a she pooped Update That's that's like really messed up.   Sammi Well apparently I mean the thing that's so weird to me is like why is this a book that she was going to write like why was that already in the works like what does that? What does that mean? yeah.   Steve Um I.   Steve I I have no idea no clue.   Sammi Oh apparently she went on Jimmy Kimmel and did like a breaking news I pooped thing.   Steve Um, oh good. Ok good for her but like why should I have to watch like a late night talk show that I'm not interested in to learn about the poop like this should have been front page headline like we should have got an update.   Sammi So this was interesting. Somebody said I think the storyline was all made up to promote the book. You're writing at least that's what I heard and she said you're entitled.   Steve Ah.   Sammi To think whatever you want. But I'm a pediatric ot and a lot of my kiddos struggle with issues related to poop fear of going in public fear of losing a body part sensory seeking behaviors etc. The book was an idea six months prior to paradise to normalize pooping and educate in a funny way. However, my experience on paradise helped guide my manuscript.   Steve Um, whoa.   Steve Hashtag Normalized pooping.   Sammi Um, yeah, yeah, normalizing Bowel movements not all Heroes wear capes.   Steve Um, didn't we I thought like didn't didn't the book. Everybody poops published probably like forty years ago didn't that kind of normalize the old dump a roof for everyone is that.   Sammi Well I guess maybe she thought she wanted it to just be human and not like animals or something. Maybe that's what she wanted I have no idea. Yeah, um, yeah.   Steve Um I don't know that's good. Yeah Hashtag normalized pooping for sure.   Sammi Apparently she's still friends with a and s that's another update. Yeah yeah, um huh.   Steve Ok, that's good. So. But she's still she's still looking for a poop father for her future Poop babies. That's good.   Sammi Yeah, but she said something like oh different. Oh god this is interesting. She said different views on faith took Aaron and I on separate paths but the twist were still the best of friends. We may not be soulmates but we're bullmates for life. My relationship with Jesus will always be my number one priority and I'm so.   Steve Um, you he's just that that into you faith like come on like.   Sammi Beyond grateful for I'm just free to get to you. She is really into Jesus but he did not want to help her poop. Um, so yeah I think he's not as into her because he was like I'm not going to let you poop but she's hanging out with.   Steve Button. Yeah, sorry Sam.   Sammi Ah, Jen so all is good genevive. So yeah, um, okay so that's our update on on on those things. Um so cat's pissy. Oh I this was terrible too I like turned on hulu and they were like.   Steve Um, moon.   Sammi For some reason even though I know I watched it on Hulu It was like here's the episode from the week prior and so I was like why is this so deja vu and then I was like wait a minute This is the same episode I got to go to the next and I was like oh God Um, but yeah cats like pissy because like her birthday is over and then.   Steve Ah.   Sammi Sleeping Beauty gets ah goes is awake and he's gonna chat with cat real quick and I'm sure that that's gonna be fine. Um I'm sure that that's gonna go really great and then I made a note because like so now I like looked at one subreddit about bachelor in Paradise and now my phone's like bachelor on Paradise especially in Paradise especially in Paradise and I'm like oh my god.   Steve Martin.   Sammi I don't want to see this because I'm trying not to see spoilers or whatever. Um, but some people ask questions on that subreddit about the bathing suit choices. For some reason though I feel like the whole ah theme of this week was like bathing suits like.   Steve Um, oh.   Steve So.   Sammi You'd get clips of people being like I Really like your bathing suit. It's very cute. Yes, thank you I am trying to attract someone with it. Um.   Steve I am interested in the bathing suit stuff too but only from like an editing standpoint so because sometimes they blur the bits in the bobs right? So like how much butt is too much butt. Yeah.   Sammi Um, yeah.   Sammi I Feel like they're really I feel like they're testing the limits of blurring technology.   Steve How much bulge just too much bulge.   Steve And then like when when Rachel and Braden went on that like let's paint each other date or whatever because Rachel's butt was covered in paint. It was like fine for all the butt which is interesting.   Sammi Um, yeah.   Sammi Yeah, well, it's like they're fin times remember when they've like painted their whole bodies and stuff. Yep and then they're like well now we can show it because we live in a puritanical country that makes no sense.   Steve Um, yeah, and then what I know that's the answer I Just want to know like who who sets the line who's the decider and then it gets even weirder when you get into the cleavage.   Sammi Ah, who decides.   Steve Because like standard cleave fine under boob. Umm no no no side boob. Ah, ah, not gonna work.   Sammi Sometimes it's sometimes it's fine though because whose suit was it that I was like you're not even I mean and it's fine. You can you could wear nothing I don't care but I was just like I don't even know how that stays in place. It was like it was like a structural like.   Steve Um, yeah, who was that there was somebody.   Steve Thank you.   Sammi Anomaly you know I was just like this defies physics in my mind. So I'm assuming there's a lot of tape happening. There's a lot of tape happening and I was just and I was also like but that's also not like and this is me being old I'm like that's not practical. You can you can go.   Steve Um, yeah, yeah.   Steve Um, I Forget who is wearing it it Maybe it was was it was it cat or was it it Maybe it was someone who got knocked out early like rear or something.   Sammi Go out into the water with that and it's like that's not the point.   Sammi It wasn't cat because cat really likes cat really likes to no this was this week but cat really likes doing like the cutout stuff. You know it's like oh I'm going to have this thing that like she she likes she likes one shouldered stuff in swimsuit form and she likes cutouts and she likes all that kind of stuff. Um.   Steve Um, oh yeah.   Steve Yeah, who what? no it was. It was somebody early on in the season but I had the same thing where I'm like I don't understand the physics like what do those hold on to so.   Sammi Yeah I can I.   Sammi There was another one this week. But anyway it kind of reminds. Well this is like slightly different but ah, kind of reminds you of this an old Archie Comic I used to read. Um yes I think we even established that.   Steve Ah, because you're  years old     Sammi I was clipping coupons crocheting a blanket and reading archie comics listen Archie is good. You don't have to like it but I do um okay, okay, good I'm I'm a weirdo just kidding. That's not a good junkhead. Um, so.   Steve And I thought about my favorite Archie comic. ah I'm ah I'm a jug head guy for life. Don't worry.   Sammi So okay, so Betty and Veronica are like at the beach or whatever or maybe it was just Veronica and Archie I don't know but Veronica's at the beach and she's like getting buying swimsuit after swimsuit and these are like expensive ass swimsuits and it's like  of them. She like. Couldn't get it wet like it couldn't go in the water and then she ended up getting like mustard on it or something like that and then she had to like go change and then like another one she couldn't get like sunscreen on it or something like that or like it wouldn't like maybe didn't fit quite right? I can't remember but she ah.   Steve Um.   Sammi Buying like  or  really expensive swimsuits in the course of like one beach day and for some reason all these interactions with the women where it's like they are trying to find the best swimsuit they could possibly wear to attract these men on the beach. Ah, and it's not working.   Steve Um, ah.   Steve The.   Sammi Ah, just made me think of that I'm just like I don't know maybe maybe we don't have to take it so seriously. But I think he did compliment cat's swimsuit when he talked to her this first time I I can't remember if he did or if or if John Henry did um but this was so weird. So so.   Steve M. Oh John Henry the simple man.   Sammi Tanner's talking to yeah tanner' talking to Catt and he's just like he's like giving her a corporate breakup and he's like I I it's been awesome getting to meet you and there's like all this like weird music going on like a lot of percussion. Whatever and then he's just like so I love you as a. Person and I was like this is the best and then and then she's like you know what? Ah don't that was let the record show that I also wanted to break up with him so it was mutual and ah he didn't break up with me first. Okay, we broke up at the exact same time and I didn't like him.   Steve Um.   Sammi And I was going to say the same thing but I just let him say it first because I'm really nice. Okay, so it's fine. Ah, and I was like sure Jan sure Jan this was mutual. Okay, yeah.   Steve I Love cat so much right now it was so good and then and then like like you right? It was a total like corporate breakup. It was just like your position as Beach Girlfriend has been eliminated and then fortunately we're going to have to let you go up.   Sammi Yeah, it's become redundant.   Steve But then she immediately goes into Pr mode. Um, and then my favorite part like I I know that like the only Jest that I've been that I've seen on the beach has been like like you like you say like that I'm just a baby but she says something.   Sammi Um, jazz.   Sammi Yeah.   Steve Really funny and I actually like rewound hulu to to catch this because it's like she actually just like do that but Catt is just like she you know she she runs over to all the other women. She's just like oh my gosh and yeah I we break up save time you know, but but but bu but but but spin mode. And then just just throw away lines. She's like I'm glad we clarified that but is like clearly like clearly like does dad believe her at all I'm just like ah I didn't know just had that in her so you know she's she might have a little something in there. But but even if she does have it.   Sammi Yes I remember that I did think that was funny.   Steve I Bet it's just easier for her to say I'm just the baby and not deal with stuff right? So fine.   Sammi I Just a baby? Yeah, um, yeah, that was so my God I Also ah did not surprise me that cat's the kind of person who like obsessively does her hair when she's upset I could not I was like get your confis out of your here just so annoying. So.   Steve Um, yeah, stop touching it.   Sammi Yeah I just like hate it. Um someone someone asked the question is cat a plant like the producers are are telling her to be extra.   Steve No, no, no, no, she is.   Sammi And people said I've read in multiple other posts of people who went to college and heard that she's  times worse in person and actually acts like this in real life.   Steve Yeah, and you can't you can't coach someone. That's the beauty of cat like there's there's coachable stuff and there's things that the bachelor does to try and heighten things. This is just the pure uncut good stuff. This is like you know. I feel like it's like  I'm watching like Elizabeth Taylor fight with like Richard Burton or something. It's just absolute meltdown mode. Amazing I don't know if she's actually going to kill someone It's so cool I'm very into it. Love this cat.   Sammi I Mean you know she is a nurse ah which I think is interesting because a lot of nurses were like former mean girls right? and they're like mlmmers up.   Steve Um, that's very interesting I don't.   Steve Um, I do find it very interesting.   Sammi There are amazing. Nurses nurses are the only reason I'm like existing in this body in the state. It's in today. But there's a lot of like nurses out there that are like that. It's like a very toxic weird industry.   Steve Um.   Steve It's so weird because yeah like I like some of the people that I know that are nurses are some of the most just like wonderful caring loving incredible human beings. Yes, yeah, also I know I've I've met a lot of traveling nurses just like bartending.   Sammi Yes I love nurses but not cat, not nurses like cat.   Steve And they're always the coolest super generous people like very very nice. So a lot of good nurses out there. But at the same time she travel I hope she doesn't travel to Milwaukee um, but every once in a while like I just don't get it because it doesn't make sense with what you do and I know a person who ah not.   Sammi Except for cat. She's also a travel nurse.   Steve Not like cat because cat's special but it's a person who I would describe like if so was like describe this person in  word I'd be like selfish or if I had more words I'd be like selfish dumb baby weird selfish person adult who acts like an  year old like she is just garbage and she only cares about herself and I'm like.   Sammi A nurse.   Steve How can you be the most selfish human being I have ever met and your job is to like give yourself fully to helping and caring about others like that's crazy right? Like what is that.   Sammi Yeah, sometimes sometimes I wonder if it's like compartmentalization and like compassion fatigue or something you know what I mean like um, it's like I you're like well I'm not bringing my work home with me So I'm gonna be a dick to you.   Steve Um, yeah.   Steve Ah, yeah, there you go are just it's just balance. Yeah, it's balance I Well I I'm such a giving person in real life that as soon as I'm outside of my scrubs I'm going to be a little goblin. Sure.   Sammi You know what? I'm saying like that it could be that. Yeah.   Sammi I'm just saying there is I mean there's a lot of memes about like about like nurses being the the girls who are mean to you in high school and now they're trying to sell you essential oils while they're nursing I'm not saying that. That's true of all their nurses by any means but there is like a subsection of them that other nurses also hate.   Steve Um I Love that? yeah.   Sammi Um, and yeah, yeah, so I hope you all understand our loyal nurse listeners that we are not talking about you but you know just like when I say men are trash I'm not talking about you Lovely men listeners I'm talking about you specifically? Um, but it is.   Steve They'll try to sell you a cut co knife and if you don't buy  They'll stab you in the back with it. Okay.   Steve Um, yeah.   Steve She's talking about me specifically.   Sammi Interesting I mean I want to think that there's something redeeming in cat because she says that she and Olivia are best friends but we'll get early not hurt Olivia her and charity are best friends but we'll get to that later I was looking at the the little talking heads of her and Olivia talk or her and Eliza talking. Oh my god I'm getting everybody's name messed up today. She does not talk to Olivia that would be funny if she did.   Steve Um.   Steve Ah, that would be funny. Yeah.   Sammi Ah, they don't like each other. Ah okay I'm getting tired. Okay I love you as a person. So yeah, so she's like we broke up first. It was mutual whatever and then she's like um, you know what he doesn't even get open mouth make out with me so I hate him which.   Steve Um, yeah, what was that I don't even know what that is what.   Sammi But she was just saying that he doesn't like use tongue. So like they're not even like kissing it sounds like yeah, that's true. That's true. Um, and then I was trying to figure out what she was saying on the bleeps. It took me like a while to figure it out until they like made it very obvious later that they're like oh she's saying fuck Boy she's calling him a.   Steve Yeah I wouldn't kiss her either though like consider that like ah.   Sammi Fuck Boy um, and and then she's like I walked away from him. He didn't walk away from me and then no I don't think he's a fuck boy at all. He's just like doing the game but Braidden getting upset about her calling someone a fuck boy is the ultimate hypocrisy I think that is.   Steve Um, is he a fuck boy if he I don't think he's fucked any. But.   Steve Um, right? yeah why yeah yeah I was like yeah, let's talk about double standards bro and then what does he? What does he say because he she calls him a fuck boy and then Braden accuses her of.   Sammi Hilarious. Yeah, he's like oh oh my God I can't believe she would call but a double standard and I'm like I can see the future to braden. Um.   Steve Um, what is it homie hopping. That's it right.   Sammi Home me happy. Yeah Homeie happy. Ah, okay, yeah, and this is when there's more bathing suit talk because je has that like cool bathing suit on and I don't remember who she was talking to I don't have that note but I just remember their like cute bathing suit. She's like yeah I'm just trying to like I'm hoping that and this says me like oh so cute because like that.   Steve Um, yeah.   Sammi That like you know beige part like matches your skin so kind of looks like you're like not wearing anything like very is cool and she's like well I'm hoping he notices but he wants me to give him space today and I just don't know what's gonna happen and and and Blake's like well one of us has to be tested at some point I guess um. By the way Blake is playing the game perfectly. He is so strategic he is so good at pretending that it's kind of scary I have to say but I see through it.   Steve Eaten Wonderfully masterly.   Steve He has he has grown and by grown I mean I don't know as a person but he has grown as someone who understands how the bachelor works like that is too. Yeah, he is. He's got a Ph D in like dumb Bachelor Tv crap like he is so good at it.   Sammi He understands game theory.   Sammi Um, he is so good. He is so good. Um, so he's just like you know I guess one of us will have to be tested but I didn't want to see it go down this way, but it is what it is I'm kind of hurt I'm kind of hurt by what she did um but you know.   Steve What are you going to do.   Sammi We're just gonna have to figure it out and who comes on the steps but genevie and she's like this is my time to shine and she's real excited and she's like and I don't really remember what happened ah with her before.   Steve Um.   Steve With Genevieve.   Sammi Because my memory is so bad. Yeah, because she was saying like she got in her head and got anxious did that like play out on the show or am I forgetting something am am I forgetting something.   Steve Um I I am a hundred percent forgetting something because I I have no idea what happened to her.   Sammi Because when she when she alluded to that I was like there must have been something that happened right? like where she got like stressed out or something.   Steve Yeah, and in a show where people are on a weekly basis being very stressed out and just kind of melting down um hers doesn't stick out to me. So oh yeah, yeah, yeah.   Sammi Oh yeah, she had a slang remember that I forgot about that She had an injury. Yeah um.   Steve During a ah probably a a power powder puff football game of some sort I would imagine that's typically how the injuries are.   Sammi Yeah I think it was yeah it was. It was the bachelor bowl I think and then yeah and then her team didn't even win and they didn't even cover that she was like in the sling. She just like we just saw her at the Rose ceremony with the sling getting a rose Thank goodness.   Steve There you go.   Sammi Um, yeah, okay I didn't remember anything I'm not seeing anything like quickly and if you're yelling at me because I don't remember I'm so sorry I just I don't remember because I was like I don't remember anything controversial with her anything like that or anything that I don't know nothing really stood out to me in terms of like oh yeah.   Steve You.   Sammi That would be weird or whatever. So but she's she's maybe that was part of it. It's like we didn't really see her a lot so she's like you're gonna see me now. Okay, it's happening and so it's her time she talks to Tyler and to blake and.   Steve Button.   Sammi Um, oh and then and and it's obvious that she's like angling towards blake and then um, he's like okay well I got to talk to Jess or whatever and I felt like it the whole time he was just like what can I say to get out of this situation. You know and he's like ah maybe a shakeup. Is a good thing. Do you ever think of that I bet you didn't.   Steve Um, is this so good. He's just like I'm going to make you think that my idea is your idea and then you're going to think it's a good idea. It's really good, but.   Sammi Yeah, you like shakeups right? and she's like remember those salads for Mcdonald's that you could shake you liked those right? Maybe we can maybe we could do that again. Um I'll get you a free pedometer and everything and you know.   Steve I Love those? um.   Sammi Yeah, like I think Jes is treating Blake not well honestly and and she's like but I don't know why you would say yes because I'm just a jqe baby and and he's like listen I just got to go explore other options. That's what I got to do um.   Steve So no, no.   Sammi That's all I have on that because they don't go on their date for a little bit. Ah John Henry okay so let's talk about John Henry so first of all, ah he's like he's like talking about golf and like he did not. He did not strike me as a golf guy but he was like.   Steve Ah.   Steve No, he's a simple man. He strikes me as a I'm going to sit on the porch and whittle. What does he do.   Sammi But I am bad at it.   Sammi He's like well I do I I do like playing golf but I am bad at it and then olivia' is like oh my god because she thinks everything he does is the best because she just thinks he's really cute and so she's just like John Henry you golf I got.   Steve Um, he is like.   Sammi Um, and he's like yeah I mean I'm not good. She's like can we all calling together and he's like sure I don't Why could we golf together. Yeah absolutely, she's like yay. Um.   Steve It's it's so great like I don't John Henry is wonderful. He is beautiful and pure and and lovely but it he is so far out of his element here. He's just getting tossed around. He's just like an empty husk of a band getting chucked between these women.   Sammi Yeah, he's just like sure sure and then yeah, so cats just like oh I'm gonna go for him because you know what I want to I want to what's his what that tongue do to to call back to to many bachelor and paradises ago.   Steve Well, he's an easy man to get the attention of all, you got to do is like stand over there in a bikini and squeak a little ball or something it'll come running over. It's oh the problem is I don't think like he doesn't realize that he's being flirted with at any point with anyone ever.   Sammi Yeah, and he's like oh hi. How's it going? Yeah, we can. Yeah I'd like to talk to you. You seem nice.   Steve Like he's just like happy to be there like he has no idea that Catt is trying to flirt with him and she's just like oha it that you do a dangerous job for a living that's crazy. Ah, that's so cool you you go on know lot' wonderful stuff.   Sammi Yeah, he's like oh this is nice.   Sammi Yeah, and like this is when Braden's like oh she told me hopping and then he does like a really bad rap every time every time I go maybe I'll like braided he does something that makes me hate him so that's good. Thank you for doing that keep doing that brain and keep that energy up I love it.   Steve Um, ah we love that.   Steve Ah, is good. Listen there's there's nothing wrong with Braden he's just on the beach looking for someone that he can call my wife that's he loves his poor at ah.   Sammi Ah I hate him so much I really do hate him. Um, he's just soul cringe anyway. So so then so cat's like ah all right I'm going to cause more trouble and she's like hey Eliza. Um, so.   Steve Ah, is trash.   Steve Um.   Sammi Charity and I are basically bf fs. Okay, she's my best friend and so yeah, that's why I'm like some of some part of me wants to think that she has some redeeming qualities because I don't know why charity would be best friends with her but I also think she's probably exaggerating the best friendship between um, but she's like. All I saw so charity and I talked before I came up paradise and I was like who should I be worried about and he she was like stay away from an b and I was like oh my good what and she was like there's a cheating skinball and I was like us scandal just know that okay, just know that. There is a cheating scandal doll. Um, yeah, well we'll find out. Um, but yeah, and then there's oh by the way I made a note that Olivia and Eliza's cat impersonations are spot on much better than mine.   Steve Um, and I just made it up just now. Yeah, we'll see.   Sammi Ah, they both like impersonated a cat and didt like huge. Ah um, but yeah, ah so it's kind of like well why is she bringing that up now why out of the blue. Why at this what you know she's just bored. She's just trying to like take the heat off herself like don't know. Um, probably because she's awful. Um, and then I think this is something that Kat says she's like he's not actually country. He's a deepseed diaper. Okay, so he's like not country can't be country under the sea did you know that and also he's got a vibrating tongue ring. Okay.   Steve Um, ah you can't be a cowboy if there's no cows under a water.   Sammi And need I say more and I will say.   Sammi Ah I do love like Avan's always kind of like in the mix gossiping with the ladies and I really enjoy it. He's just kind of off to the side and he goes oh like gasps every once a while like you didn't no oh my god like.   Steve Um I like that too.   Sammi He's just like who I love this like this hot gas. You know, give it to me so he's just kind of doing his thing doing that stuff. Um, and it's very cute. Ah Becca comes down and I was like I have no idea who this is and she's like I only made it one night I was like that's why I have no idea who you are. And um, so she's here to add some more trouble to the beach and I just have a quote that says everyone thinks she's hot because she is ah and her day is choose someone and create a recipe for love? Yes, um, and so okay. There's some drama there and we're going like back and forth between like the like the cat and John Henry stuff and like these new dates that are coming in I don't remember was this cat who asked him what do you look for in a woman John Henry and he goes adventure. You know, doing stuff.   Steve Ah, you so precious.   Sammi And then he was like and then he was like sense of humor and then and then who said this was a cat my brother fishes so I totally get it and it's like that is not deep sea diving my brother fishes. So I totally get you.   Steve Um I love all of this. It's so good John Henry and John Henry what kind of food. Do you like I like pasta from the box. You know I heard you could put it in water and heat it up, but it gets soft. It's so good like John Henry     Sammi Deep sea diving.   Steve Did he say that no could he say that Absolutely you know.   Sammi Sure that's on my John Henry Soundboard already um and I think my other note is for Braden. Maybe I don't know I just said. They have  brain cells to rub together between the two of them. This seems like the perfect pairing must have been Brayden Becca and and the it was like could you see us vibing I think we're gonna vibe I think it's time for us to vibe together and then Braden's like     Steve Um, it's going to be good.   Steve We're gonna vibe.   Sammi Go on the state and then he's like I should probably talk to Rachel and she's like um I just got like naked and turned into a pinata with you and now you're leaving with some other check on the beast like what the hell. Yeah.   Steve Um, yeah, it's time to go to the horny kitchen with with Braden who are just previously accused a woman of homie hopping. Yeah and he yeah.   Sammi Yes, exactly that's why I'm saying he's such a hypocrite. Also we already know that this is something he does because one of his exes on Tiktok very kindly I will add called him out. Yeah, we know.   Steve And yeah, so and and with Rachel he was bor adding like big time and he's just like with such a magical day. So much born me lu more and then immediately. Yes, so excite.   Sammi So excite? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like yeah your homie hopping because that's what you do? um so we go then we go to like the blake and Genevee date and he's like genevie makes me feel calm.   Steve Button.   Sammi And it's like really nice and I'm like oh you  you  are cute like whatever um and then Tyler starts talking to Jess while they' while Blake and jevi are on their date and I just wrote picking Jess over Mercedes is a wild joyce wild.   Steve Now up and energy. That's good.   Sammi Absolutely wild. Why would you do that? What are you doing tyler you can't in the real world. You cannot get a woman like Mercedes I can guarantee you that what do you do? What do you do when you throw on it away anyway. So he think very highly yourself, but he's just like you're so mut know and I just love your glitter and she's like oh what? So you do think i'm.   Steve Um, interesting, very interesting.   Sammi Cute me is like duh.   Steve But I love your glitter they they've like every wo but on this beach has been slathered and glitter for the past three weeks is there all that I just want to know if like.   Sammi I mean he didn't say I love your glitter but Jess is known for glitter. Obviously so it's implied.   Steve Just Jess is wearing the glitter and then it's rubbing off on everyone else if they're all just getting into the glitter game.   Sammi I think they were like we're gonna wear glitter like Jess. Um, yeah, there's a lot of eye contact that's happening in this part. It's also interesting because Blake and Jess both have very intense eyes and now they're like on dates with other people.   Steve I.   Sammi And they're just like looking at each other's eyes and there's a lot of smooching and and then there's like  of the most like like on brand songs ever played in bachelor history where it's like is it me or you or you and me I was like what is this? ah.   Sammi Play The background I was like damn. Okay, yeah, it's there was ah there were some tictoks I saw where it was like the extremely literal music of love is blind. It's so on the nose. It's like it's like someone in their you know department their media department.   Steve Um, really good stuff.   Steve Um.   Sammi Is just searching for song titles. You know where it's like you know it's like I'm indecisive and then the song's like I then decisive I can't decide I Just don't know which way to go of indecisive and you're like oh yeah, that's it put that in.   Steve Um.   Steve That's that's the mood.   Sammi Insert. Yeah, so it's very but which I mean listen when I'm just like I don't know which stock photo thing to do how many times can I put a scale on something or someone climbing the stairs or someone walking a trail I Just can't do it anymore I can't do it anymore. So I get it. It's fine. Yes.   Steve You make sense.   Sammi Sometimes you just have to pick pick the easy Rod but I was like is it me or you or you and me if you didn't hear that song I would encourage you to go back to that point in the episode and really listen to it because it cracked me up. Um.   Steve Loop it.   Sammi And then Braden just gets to go on like every sexy date and like is this what tntra is like not really whatever. Ah, but they're in this kitchen and they're like doing sexy stuff and he's like very excited um and that's all I want to say about that date. He had fun. Yeah I don't know if you have anything to say about that date. But I don't.   Steve No, it's I mean it's just like this is classic Braden right? Like yeah you go he goes out the sex kitchen date and he everything that had previously happened with Rachel out of his head but he's worried about what women are doing and if they're dating other people. he's he's trashed     Sammi And okay, yeah.   Sammi Um, yeah, he's shot.   Steve They tried they tried to rehab him and some of us I'm not going to name name some of us were we We were starting to you know, get weak knees here and and just and he's give in just give in I know he's He's the trash God and he will remain as such.   Sammi Not me, not me not me fool me once. Yeah, never again. Um I keep calling everyone Olivia but now I'm actually talking about Olivia um, so like I loved that what she's talking about cat. They put. Ah, her kron not a cat fan and then she just was like I'll vomit about cat I'm just gonna vomit about her and I can't believe she's talking to John Henry he is like or whatever and she's like yeah motorross m ya love that That's so great.   Steve Um, yeah.   Sammi You know and Sam is like she's the voice of the audience. The reason sam's here. She's voice of the audience and she's like John Henry just has a little hamster wheel in his head. Ah and and then there's like more gossiping with Cat Kylie and aven and they're just kind of like what. Talking about with Olivia what's going on over there and whatever. It's like this is like the whole John Henry has to choose who who he likes and what he's doing and but he doesn't know that yet and he's talking to Olivia and my favorite part was he was like is that limp lip plumper which means she's been wearing lip plumper on the beach and it burned his lips.   Steve Um.   Sammi Because I don't are are you? You're familiar with Lip Plumper I can't say that word.   Steve Oh yeah, that yeah, ah, only from the the standpoint of if you smooch someone and they got it on then you're like why does my my face hurt and that's why.   Sammi Yeah, yeah, yeah, can't relate because my lips are perfect. Ah no, Ah, someone did give me it once like because they're like oh you try it and I was like I don't really understand the point because now it just looks like I got stung because you know. So I'm just like I don't think that's cute, but that's just me but I have tried it before and yeah, like it feels kind of tingly and stingy and whatever and so he's I Just like that he looked at her lips and he's like is that lip plumper because I don't want my face to burn and I and I was like I thought that that was actually very successful of the smartest things he said.   Steve Ah, it's a good question. Ask.   Sammi Um, but then they're making out knees like it was lip plumper and it kind of went by fast but it was very funny. Um and then okay and then this was like the wildest thing. Okay, so so first of all cat and Olivia are not friends. We have established this um and cat goes. Why is my. Friend doing that like why is she? Why is she kissing the person that she's been dating hello are you delusional like what is going on. Ah yeah, so strange and so there's like this whole yeah love triangle thing going on of the beach. We'll see how that resolv

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 5 Lucky you, three episodes in one week?? Week 5 for Golden Bachelor was a whirlwind! One might even say, a once-in-a-lifetime rollercoaster experience? We now have the three final women for hometowns. For the record, Sammi was surprised. Steve, not as much. Things are also heating up in Paradise. More of the solid couples are starting to get shaky. Kat gets her just desserts (and we're not talking birthday treats), and Charity is on her way!

Jilly Box: Fall 2023 Opening! What happens when you feel a crisp in the air? I think it's time to unwrap another Jilly Box! We'll actually be back for a winter opening as well, but to enjoy what came out not too long ago, give this podcast a listen. You can watch the accompanying video on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrV2tZYoeyM Hopefully, we'll get these sponsored someday, but if you like these one-off episodes, please let us know!

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 4 Featured doctors, ice cream tummy aches, and truth boxes SMASHED open. Could this week get any better? Yes, of course it could, but it was a pretty decent week for both shows. We break it down in record time because Sammi had a midterm this week, OK?

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 3 We keep hearing that word, "hope." What does it MEAN? Have we watched too much reality TV and are reading into something that doesn't exist? Probably. Week 3 is another rollercoaster. We cry over the Golden Bachelor and laugh our way through Paradise. Is the poo baby some of the best content we've ever seen on the show? Honestly, probably.

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 2 We hope you're liking these double-punch episodes. By the way, to get to the Bachelor in Paradise highlights, skip to 36 minutes. We spend some time talking about how it's totally OKAY to do things differently for The Golden Bachelor, something the producers don't quite seem to be grasping. We also talk about whether we think Hannah B is truly the Taylor Swift of Bachelor Nation, and if she shook things up the way she thinks she did.

Golden Bachelor in Paradise - Week 1 We're back with a double feature! Welcome to Golden Bachelor in Paradise, the best fall feature that will ever cross your ears. We really start to get in the weeds with all the contestants in this one.

Rose Plate Special: Charity, Week 9 Here's what we'll say about the finale: Kudos to the producers for faking out Sammi fairly effectively, but is it even a fakeout when she was operating on little sleep and lots of pinball on the brain? Hard to say. See you all for a bonus episode of Jilly Box opening before Season 16 of our podcast launches at the end of September! Transcription Please forgive minor typos! Sammi: And you're listening to Rose Plate Special, the most dramatic googly eyeingist I have nothing for this because everything we said. Steve: Was going to happen, happened. Sammi: Paradise promoing us recap podcast of The Bachelorette ever. Sammi: Yeah, it was so bad. Steve: Ever. Steve: Sammi. Steve: Are you the bachelorette? Steve: Nostradamus perhaps. Sammi: Maybe. Sammi: But here's the thing that's interesting. Sammi: So first of all, sorry this is late everyone. Sammi: I was on vacation and I actually took a break, which I never do, and so you should all be proud of me. Sammi: But here we are also. Sammi: Okay, so a couple of pieces of news. Sammi: So yes, I was on vacation and that was fun. Sammi: That's not really news. Sammi: Second piece of news that is news. Sammi: The jilly box is coming probably in the next day or two. Sammi: So if you are interested, we can do another special we'll do between now and like The Golden Bachelor. Sammi: We can do a special jilly unboxing for. Sammi: Oh, and then yeah, here's what's interesting about this. Sammi: Also, my notes are a little spotty, so I may need you to fill in because I watched this. Sammi: So I was just telling Steve that one of the things that we did on vacation is we went to this retrocade and we played all you can play Pinball until like, I don't know, almost two in the morning. Sammi: And we got home and we started talking about the top 100 pinball games and we were talking about what we would want in our basement and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Sammi: And then I was like, oh s***, I got to start watching The Bachelorete in case we decide we want to record. Sammi: So I went to bed at four in the morning. Sammi: This is not like me. Steve: And we're recording late anyways. Sammi: Yeah, I was up until four in the morning watching it and then I woke up the next day and finished it. Sammi: So I might have missed some key things because I was all jacked up about pinball. Sammi: Like I literally had maybe two drinks the whole night. Sammi: It wasn't like, oh, it's partying hard. Sammi: I was like really trying to crack the game. Sammi: Barbed wire. Sammi: Could not get it. Sammi: Oh wow, not get it. Sammi: But medieval madness. Sammi: I had a really good round. Sammi: Yeah, it's one of my favorites. Sammi: Anyway, so that's what I was doing when I was taking notes. Sammi: But yeah, so what's interesting though is despite knowing everything that happened, they tricked me. Sammi: I got tricked because I was like, oh my God, maybe it is going to be Joey. Sammi: And I was like, wow, everything I thought was wrong. Sammi: And I was like so shocked. Sammi: And I was like, no way. Sammi: So they fooled me hard. Sammi: I really just was like, oh, this is how everyone's leaning and this is what's going to happen. Sammi: And last week I was like, datten is a sure thing, he is a sure thing. Sammi: And then I was like, I'm just not so sure. Steve: So we've been in this game long enough. Steve: Sammi, this is the trickery. Steve: Because they knew that we knew that to was going to run away with this thing, so they had to throw us some swerves. Sammi: I got so fooled. Steve: Well, one thing's for sure, because this episode starts off on Aaron, nobody in the entire universe thought that Aaron was going to be sticking don. Steve: I don't think they do Vegas odds for the Bachelor or the Bachelorete. Steve: But if they did, you wouldn't even be allowed to bet on Aaron because that's how bad of a shot he. Sammi: So yeah, it was just so basically and also they do this thing at the very beginning and, like, dawn gets claps and Joey gets claps and Aaron got nothing. Steve: No, and it's not because he's a bad guy. Steve: He's the most uninteresting man in the world. Sammi: They were just did something. Sammi: Did you just say Aaron? Sammi: Oh, I missed it. Sammi: I was thinking about something. Sammi: So and then when they're like, we're going to do a thing that's never happened. Sammi: Okay, this was my guess, which I think is funny. Sammi: Like Charity's brother is going to come on and propose to a long term partner on the show. Sammi: But that didn't happen. Sammi: But that's what I thought because I was like, bring nehemiah back. Sammi: But that's not what happened. Sammi: So this is the best part, too, is Aaron. Sammi: So she's like, obviously this is what was going through Charity's mind. Sammi: I'm thinking is she was probably like, he came all the way to Fiji. Sammi: What am I going to do, say go home? Sammi: She's like, I have to make it feel like he has somewhat of a shot or like something could happen. Sammi: But I love that she was like, this is giving me acid reflux. Steve: Yeah, it's like, bro, you flew probably like 14 hours just to get dumped, which is real sad. Steve: And if someone in production had half a heart, they would have told you to stay at home, but they didn't. Steve: And then it's also sad because it's like, I mean, we all knew you had to know deep down that she didn't have a shot. Steve: And then when she's finally and you know, she walks about and everything, he's just like, well, it's okay. Steve: I'm still in your corner. Steve: It's like, dude, she doesn't need you and you don't need to be here. Steve: What are you doing here? Steve: What's going on, Aaron? Sammi: Come on. Steve: Come on. Steve: I don't know. Steve: And then he's such a dork and not in the fun way. Steve: It's just uninteresting. Steve: And then he's going to be on paradise and I could not find a shred of anything inside of myself that got excited for Aaron on. Sammi: Feel like I feel like you just like Aaron a lot more than I do. Sammi: But I just felt really bad for like I was just I mean, maybe this was something that raised his stock enough to make it worth it for him to be on paradise. Sammi: It gave him more of a story that's something that some of the women on the beach might be like, wow, that's so romantic. Sammi: You flew all the way to Fiji. Sammi: It could work in his favor, for sure. Sammi: But yeah, I was mean, I don't know. Sammi: And then he was like, the emotions I've always felt it's good to feel again. Sammi: And I was like, it's been like two days, Aaron. Sammi: I mean, it's not like it's been so long. Sammi: It's like maybe been a couple days. Sammi: But the best part about this whole thing was they get to the rose ceremony and Joey's like, am I on drugs? Sammi: He's like, blinking. Sammi: I don't have glasses to clean. Sammi: What's happening? Sammi: Wait, Aaron's here and Xavier isn't? Sammi: It was so sweet that he was like, what? Sammi: I don't even know. Sammi: And then as soon as she gave Joey a rose, I was like, well, Erin is going home because obviously Dotton's getting the other one. Sammi: That was really obvious. Sammi: And then she's like, Erin, can you come with me? Sammi: And he knew. Sammi: Then he's like, okay, yeah, Aaron is. Steve: In the top three because technically you have to have a top three. Steve: So what are you going to do? Sammi: I don't know. Sammi: I guess at the end I feel like at the end that we've had it before, where it's just like two of them, where one of them goes home early and then it's just the two of them at the rose ceremony. Sammi: It's like, well, you both get the roses. Sammi: No drama there. Sammi: Goodbye. Sammi: Yeah, but yeah, so that was inevitable. Sammi: It was just inevitable. Sammi: All my notes about Erin talking with Jesse afterwards were just that it was a generic talk and he's going to be in paradise. Sammi: And when they announced he was in paradise, I was like, that means he's not the bachelor. Sammi: And that's good. Sammi: Yeah, because that wouldn't be interesting unless they gave him his own camera. Sammi: Because I do think his insecurities would be interesting to watch. Sammi: His internal monologue would be interesting to watch. Sammi: But now we get the time with Charity's family and Joey is first. Sammi: And Joey had a terrible hometown date. Sammi: I mean, it wasn't like the worst hometown date, but it was just like awkward and lacking and he had the worst out of the four. Steve: I shouldn't say it was a B minus. Steve: It was not like a colossal faceplant like in the past. Steve: And many a man has gotten farther or as far as Joey with a worse hometown, but it was not yeah, yeah. Sammi: It just was like, oh, wow. Sammi: And so of course, then, so what's interesting is what I'm trying to say is Joey's hometown date was not very good. Sammi: But with Charity's family, it was like, he's the one and he's the best one, and don't let him slip away. Sammi: He's perfect. Sammi: And then, you know, Dalton's hometown, it was like, you are our family now. Sammi: You are stuck with us. Sammi: You two are soulmates. Sammi: This is happening. Sammi: And then yeah, it's like I can't really talk about this without comparing these right away. Sammi: But then Dalton's time with Charity's family was just kind of like I don't know, I mean like he's fine or whatever. Sammi: He's just familiar and he's just kind of like who she always goes for. Steve: And that's interesting too. Sammi: We want to see her shake it up a little bit. Sammi: And I was like, is this really the time to be like rolling the dice? Sammi: I don't know, it was just kind of a weird yeah, anyway just try. Steve: To commit to marriage. Steve: Yeah right. Steve: But like I don't like I like Joey. Steve: I don't think he's particularly interesting but he's a very nice young man. Sammi: I think he's very sweet. Steve: Yeah, but the thing that really stuck out to me, Dotton also very sweet guy. Sammi: Oh yeah. Steve: But when Charity was know, both these guys meet with her parents and they like both of them but they like Joey Moore. Steve: And her mom made the comment that Dotton was kind of like the guy she had dated in the past. Steve: Which is weird because she said that about Xavier. Steve: And I feel like in my head, aside from them being like African American men in their mid to late twenty s, I don't see a lot of similarities between Xavier. Sammi: They're very different I will say. Sammi: I mean they both have interest in the health fields. Sammi: I guess that would be a commonality but Dotton's coming at it from more of a coachee integrative health personal trainer. Steve: And that kind of an interest. Steve: It doesn't really inform their vibes or their personality. Sammi: Personalities are very different. Sammi: But that's the only other thing that at least what I could see. Sammi: They have that in common. Sammi: But Xavier's in a lab and datten's more like with so that's very mean. Sammi: Like their families were pretty mean. Sammi: I just don't get the think and maybe I could be wrong. Sammi: I don't feel like dunn's one of those go out with the boys kind of guys like oh well, if I'm out with my boys and something like I just would be surprised if he but I was surprised when Xavier said it, so who the h*** knows. Sammi: But I just don't get that feeling from him that that's something that's super important to him to be out with a bunch of toxic dudes. Sammi: I don't that's but it could just be know a first impression thing where it's like oh, this seems similar or whatever because Joey is so different that it's just like that's the only way she could compare it. Sammi: I have no like it's like who knows? Sammi: But I think they're both really good dudes. Sammi: But it was interesting and even though it's like I know what happens with production and editing and how they choose the stuff and whatever but still even though I know all that and I've been watching this show for 20 plus years, I was still like, oh, no, this is not good. Sammi: And I was like, maybe Danton's not as good as I thought he was. Sammi: Because also last week we were thrown for a loop. Sammi: So I was like, oh, maybe all the things that I was feeling about how good they were together are wrong. Sammi: And then they, of course, did stuff where it's like she's saying I love you to Joey, and then Dotton says I love you to her and she doesn't say it back, and you're like, oh, God. Sammi: Oh, no, what's happening? Sammi: This is so bad. Steve: I like a season designed around just, like, emotionally messing with basically well, that's how I felt. Sammi: I was like, what is going on? Sammi: And it's like, late at night and I'm tired and I'm watching this episode and I'm like, what is happening? Sammi: And then, yeah, gosh. Sammi: I don't mean I will say because I feel like the other thing that Charity's mom seemed to focus on was just like, how Joey is just googly eyed all the time. Sammi: But I feel like his I don't think he would ever be like, he is affectionate and whatever, but he's more like, I don't know, kind of secure and solid and whatever. Sammi: So I think the way they just look at someone they're interested in is different. Sammi: But anyway, it was an interesting juxtaposition, and I wrote wow a lot on my notes, apparently. Sammi: I'm like, wow, family thinks he's the one. Steve: Wow. Sammi: Okay. Sammi: And then this whole thing is, like, interspersed with this whole oh, well, one of you is going to date the bachelor, but you don't know which one of you it is. Sammi: But we invited you all here, so it's one of the people we invited here. Sammi: It's obviously not going to be some random person from the audience. Steve: Yeah. Sammi: And I was like, everybody stand up if you would like to date the Bachelor, like, what the h***? Sammi: This is not how this works. Sammi: And he interviews all these people. Sammi: This was one thing that I thought was weird, and I was trying to find some conversation about it online, and I could not because they had someone from Oahu get interviewed. Sammi: Right. Sammi: And Joey lives in Hawaii and everything and everything that happened in Lahaina. Sammi: Which happened in my family's neighborhood. Sammi: And luckily their house is still okay, but I don't know if they even know if some of their friends are alive. Sammi: It was very strange that they didn't did I miss it? Sammi: Because I'm like, I was tired and I did not watch this live. Sammi: They didn't say anything about what happened in Lahaina. Sammi: Did they? Sammi: I mean, I know it's a different island, but a lot of people got moved to, um, for safety and because of capacity and all that stuff. Sammi: And I was like, this is strange. Sammi: This is live. Sammi: So this already happened. Steve: Yeah. Steve: That you'd think that they would make some mention of it. Steve: Now, it was really entirely possible that I got up to get another slice of pizza or grab a drink or go to the bathroom or whatever. Steve: I have zero recollection of them saying anything. Steve: So if they said it, it wasn't a prominent point in the episode. Sammi: It was just weird that they focused so much on Oahu and where Joey's living, right? Sammi: Like, it's just so strange. Sammi: And I'm confused that they didn't mention anything. Sammi: And I feel like they've gotten better about stuff like that, where it's like, oh, this is something, even if the conversation is a little put on, where they're like, we're going to have a serious talk, and then they kind of talk about something, then they're like, we're glad we had this serious talk. Sammi: But I was like, this is weird that you're focusing extra on it, that you're bringing in somebody to be on the show who lives on Oahu, and then you don't bring it. Sammi: I don't know. Sammi: Anyway, if anybody else feels the same way, let me know. Sammi: But I thought that was OD. Sammi: That's all. Sammi: Totally. Sammi: Not that I think The Bachelor is great for that stuff in general, but it's like if you want to start changing your image and gearing towards a younger audience, you might want to, I don't know, be in touch with reality anyway, especially something like that, where it's. Steve: Like the thing dominating the news cycle. Steve: It's like, hey, you want an easy layup? Steve: Guys just say anything? Steve: Apparently not. Sammi: Oh, well, yeah, it's just really strange. Sammi: Anyway, I'll let you know if I find any conversations about it. Sammi: But I was, like, trying to Google it. Sammi: I was like, is anybody else frustrated about this? Sammi: But I didn't see anything. Sammi: But I also wasn't looking super duper hard. Sammi: I was looking half. Sammi: So charity's, mom. Sammi: Okay, so with datten yes. Sammi: She's like, he checks the boxes, right? Sammi: He's familiar. Sammi: Familiar is easy. Sammi: She wants Charity to have a hard time, I guess I don't. Sammi: And I wrote, well, maybe Joey Winston dotten's the obvious Bachelor, but that wouldn't necessarily make sense. Sammi: Dot, dot, dot. Sammi: I'm like, this is where I start to question myself. Sammi: Yeah, and Charity is having a hard time, too, because she's like, I just want to push. Sammi: I just want a little just a little nudge and like, a direct just tell me how you're feeling. Sammi: And, okay, this is the part where I felt like I was getting tired and I was getting confused, but I know at the very least, she asked her mom, tell me what you think. Sammi: And her mom's like, I'm not going to do that. Sammi: And she's like, why? Sammi: And she's like, I don't know. Sammi: I'm direct. Sammi: And she's like, but you're not being direct right now. Sammi: That's what I gathered out of it. Sammi: It was like her mom was like, well, you know, I'm direct, but I'm not going to do that for you at this moment. Steve: Yeah. Sammi: And she's like, don't you know what you want? Sammi: And Charity is like, no, that's why I am asking you. Sammi: And she's like, come on, you know. Sammi: Right. Sammi: You know, you know, she's like and then yeah. Sammi: So she goes so she's confused, whatever. Sammi: She has a date with Joey and he brought a very cute gift for Charity. Sammi: They both did a good job with the gifts. Sammi: And he gives her the poem that they got in New Orleans and that's very oh, she mentioned how the poem made the hairs on her arms stand up and they made the hairs on my arm stand up too. Sammi: So whoever's putting this season together, good job. Sammi: I was like, wow. Sammi: And then I was fully sold on at this point. Sammi: I was like, well, if Joey ends up with Charity, I'm okay with that. Sammi: That's good, I'm happy, that's fine. Steve: This is totally mission accomplished, right? Steve: What is the purpose of this episode? Steve: The purpose of this episode is twofold. Steve: One, to make us question what we know to be absolute reality, which is down, it's going to win. Steve: And two, to make us like Joey as much as humanly possible and potentially make him slightly more interesting than he is. Steve: So that when he is announced as the bachelor, we go, okay, I'm fine with that. Steve: I think they pretty much did it. Steve: And honestly, I don't know when Charity was announced. Steve: I'm sure you can go back to an old episode. Steve: I'll just be like, I don't know, no personality, didn't see anything, whatever. Steve: And she's amazing. Steve: She's like the greatest Bachelorete of all time, practically. Steve: Maybe, maybe this will work out. Steve: Maybe I've been selling Joey short. Sammi: Yeah, I mean that's what always I mean outside of like I feel like I always liked Katie before it was Katie's season, you know what mean? Sammi: Like that was kind of an obvious, like Ashley long time. Sammi: Like there's a few people that and I liked, you know, there's like a few people that I was always like, oh yeah, they're going to be good. Sammi: But there's some people we didn't see until the very end. Sammi: Their know, you get like little glimpses of, um, yeah, I think Joey could definitely be a good mean out of what happened. Sammi: Like everything that happened at the end, I was like, well, he's the only obvious choice. Sammi: Like if you don't choose him, you're going into a different season. Sammi: There's no way. Sammi: And anyway, I'm just like looking through the vulture recap to see if there's anything yeah, if there's any notes in there because I just saw something. Sammi: Sorry. Sammi: We're waiting to see if she's going to pick Joey or Don. Sammi: Right. Sammi: We obviously know what uh, and then we get into the then. Sammi: So Brooklyn and Kat are going to be in paradise and Braden's in the audience and they do this paradise promo and they're like four former bachelorettes are crashing the party. Sammi: There's a medical emergency I'm actually really excited about the nine days of no pooping. Steve: Yeah. Steve: I'm also excited about that because we got to hear the word poop baby. Sammi: On national television and a truth box. Sammi: I'm like, all right, okay, cool. Sammi: This sounds great. Sammi: And then there's someone getting married in paradise, and it's probably like an already engaged couple that comes down, like, has happened before, I would assume. Sammi: And then they're like, oh, are Rachel and Brayden going to get together? Sammi: And I got very upset. Sammi: Oh, my God, you better not. Sammi: That sucks. Sammi: And I was looking through this Vulture recap. Sammi: It says, Brayden is here sitting right next to Rachel rechia. Sammi: Get a job. Sammi: Stay away from her et. Sammi: Wait, hold on. Sammi: Wait, what? Sammi: Hold on 1 second. Sammi: Oh, my gosh. Sammi: How did I not know who Gabby was dating? Steve: Oh, yeah, so oh, my is this is something that I was hoping to bring up? Steve: Because I guess I'm dense and I didn't really understand or process or notice it, but it's like, oh, Gabby's dating a woman. Steve: I didn't know that. Sammi: H***. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: Gabby. Steve: Good job, Gabby. Sammi: Yes. Steve: We love I had I had no idea. Steve: And then I was just like, who's that? Steve: I was, oh, that's so cute. Sammi: And she even posted, told you I'm a girls girl. Sammi: Yes. Sammi: Gabby ayo so that's awesome. Sammi: And now I want to rewatch the finale because I was tired and I did not even oh, apparently. Sammi: Okay, so she was on The View, and in an Instagram post yeah. Sammi: She wrote, told you I'm a girls girl. Sammi: And yeah. Sammi: So it's Robbie Hoffman. Steve: He's a comedian, right? Sammi: Yes. Sammi: Comedians. Sammi: You should know, apparently. Sammi: And yeah, this was announced on August 2, but I didn't see it because I don't pay attention to this stuff. Sammi: But that's super great. Sammi: And yeah, I'm so happy. Sammi: So one of the things that this Vulture article talks about is, uh, they wanted to see, like, a Robbie cam the whole time, mic her up and then let's the whole the whole gimmick of, like, who's the bachelor and who's going to date him. Sammi: And also, maybe Rachel likes Braden. Sammi: I was like, I can't handle all this stuff right now, okay? Sammi: I'm tired, and I want to know what's in that truth box, and I want to talk more about that poop baby. Sammi: Those are the things I want to talk about. Steve: Yeah. Steve: Very interested in a poop baby. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: And then we find out. Sammi: September 20. Sammi: Eigth. Sammi: We're going to be playing double duty, so I don't know what we're going to do. Sammi: We'll have to see if we want to do extra long episodes or two separate Bachelor in paradise and Golden Bachelor episodes. Steve: We're going to figure it out. Sammi: We'll have to figure it out. Sammi: Stay tuned. Sammi: I'm thinking we'll do each one because some people might be interested in one and not the other. Sammi: Otherwise, we'll do, like, a little time stampy in the description. Sammi: So stay tuned for that, obviously. Sammi: Let's see. Sammi: Okay, so we have the last date with Don, and he's so sweet, and it was so cute, and he was like, I'm going to win over your mom. Sammi: Just don't even worry about it. Sammi: And it's like, he's a great guy. Sammi: He can definitely win over moms, so I totally believe that. Sammi: And his gift was very cute. Sammi: He was like, I made a treasure hunt, so how about that? Sammi: And I was like, that's pretty cute. Sammi: And he was like, here's my card, my resident alien card, like the s'mores and little memories of events that they did on their dates. Sammi: And then at the end, it was a locket with their baby faces. Sammi: And he's like, you are my treasure. Sammi: And that was very then. Sammi: But the thing that's weird is we see her. Sammi: Yeah, they really freaking tricked me because she's, like, bringing up Joey on this date, and he says, I love you, and she doesn't say it back. Sammi: And I was like, okay. Sammi: Then we get the Neil Lane scene, which wasn't like, that excessive this time. Sammi: Sometimes it's like, really long Neil Lane stuff. Steve: It's always weird to me because I feel like sometimes we get a lot of Neil Lane the man, and not just Neil Lane, the know, and other times you don't see Neil at. Steve: And this this was a Neil appearance season. Sammi: Yeah, it was a Neil appearance, but it was not as major. Sammi: I mean, usually I would say with The Bachelor, Neil is around more, but he was in the audience. Steve: It's just so funny to me because I'm sure in the jewelry world, he's a big deal, but if you're like, who's Neil Lane? Steve: I'm like, oh, that's the guy who gives the rings on The Bachelor. Sammi: I actually think that is the biggest deal. Sammi: Well, I think but I don't know. Sammi: Let's see if we can figure this out. Sammi: Hold on. Sammi: I feel like I looked this up before, and it was kind of like I thought that that was kind of the biggest thing. Sammi: I thought his name recognition did get bigger because of The Bachelor, and that propelled some of his career. Sammi: Oh, here we go. Sammi: Here we go. Sammi: Okay. Sammi: Reddit is all over. Steve: Always. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: But yeah, okay. Sammi: Apparently oh, interesting. Sammi: He turned them down for a while, and he doesn't watch The Bachelor, which I think we found out recently that he didn't watch The Bachelor, which I think is very funny. Sammi: So it's like his only frame of reference is getting flown in for these moments and these live appearances, and that's it. Sammi: And he doesn't watch the show. Sammi: That's kind of awesome. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: So someone said, okay, yeah, I think it's kind of like a Vera Wang type of thing at this point, you. Steve: Know what I mean? Sammi: Where it's like there is a prestige brand and then you can also go to Kohl's. Steve: Exactly. Sammi: You know what I mean? Sammi: I think it was kind of like and yeah, someone said, I went into Kate and his rings are ugly. Sammi: Lol. Sammi: I'm sorry. Sammi: Yeah, it's like, if you're going to get Neil Lane from K, I would assume that that's not the same as the other stuff he yeah, yeah. Steve: I would imagine he's got his higher tier stuff. Steve: I like the Vera Wang comparison. Sammi: That's the way I kind of always thought about Neil Lane. Sammi: And from these comments on Reddit, that's the impression I'm getting. Sammi: As I say about Kay, every kiss begins at the mall. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: And apparently oh, gosh, I didn't even realize that. Sammi: So this was like 2009. Sammi: Neil Lane feels so omnipresent that I did not realize it's only been Neil Lane for like, 14 years. Steve: Wow. Sammi: Yeah. Steve: Before that he was day one guy. Sammi: I know. Sammi: Before that it was Harry Winston. Sammi: Sorry. Sammi: There's a comment on Reddit that says, in the industry, neil Lane is considered to be a little goblin character. Sammi: And someone said, how so? Sammi: And then there's like some deleted stuff, so I don't know about that. Sammi: Anyway, yeah, someone said, okay, yeah. Sammi: Neil Lane for Celebs is high end. Sammi: Neil Lane at K is mediocre. Sammi: Yeah, same as Verawing. Sammi: I would yeah. Sammi: Very interesting. Sammi: He used to design customs for A list celebrities like Barbara Streisand, Elizabeth Taylor, and Angelina Jolie. Sammi: Interesting. Sammi: He's like mid tier, they say. Steve: Oh, man. Steve: You hear that? Steve: Neil Lane. Steve: You're just mid, baby. Sammi: You're mid. Sammi: You're mid, Neil. Sammi: Well, he's never going to listen to this. Sammi: He doesn't watch the show. Sammi: He's not going to listen to a random sorry, Neil, but yeah. Sammi: So very interesting. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: So we had a Neil Lane scene, and then Charity comes out in her dress and I started tearing up. Sammi: So again, I was tired, but I don't know, this finale really did a number on me. Sammi: And then she started to cry or almost cried. Sammi: And I was like, don't cry. Sammi: Your makeup's so pretty. Sammi: And then as soon as Joey gets out of the car, my stomach dropped and so do the audiences. Sammi: And I was like, you tricked me. Sammi: You tricked me, you tricked me. Sammi: And I was like, well, he's going to be a great bachelor. Sammi: And I cried so much during this whole interaction. Sammi: It was awful. Sammi: I was like, not okay. Steve: So emotion. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: The dogs came over. Sammi: They were like, do you need some support? Sammi: And I was like, I am not. Sammi: And like, Tuck was sleeping, obviously. Sammi: Well, this was like yeah, because this was in the morning by the time I watched this. Sammi: But he was like, in the other room with the dogs, and I'm like, crying. Sammi: And they come over and they're like, what do you need, mom? Sammi: And I was like, I am just not okay. Sammi: But what was really sweet was she did not cut him off, which was nice because I feel like a lot of the times the bacheloretes cut the men off. Sammi: Don't propose yet, but he kind of waited for a second anyway, like, should I keep going? Sammi: And then she did a little I thought it was nice that she had a speech for him because I don't feel like they always do that or it doesn't feel prepared or whatever. Sammi: And he was just like, It's okay. Sammi: He knew it was hard, and she's trying to get all this out, and she's upset. Sammi: And he was like, It's okay. Sammi: And she's like, Well, I got to do this. Sammi: I want to do the whole thing. Sammi: I want you to hear this whole thing. Sammi: It's important to me. Sammi: And then she's like, I found love that's deeper with someone else, and I'm crying. Sammi: I think she wins for the best goodbye speech ever to yeah, I was just, like, a f** mess. Sammi: And then Joey's in the audience, and then he gives the best bachelor audition in the car, and the audience is silent, and I'm just is really this is really great. Sammi: I don't know. Sammi: That whole moment was really awesome. Sammi: And then Zach's in the right, so, like, they go through this whole thing. Sammi: Like, Joey leaves, he's in the car, whatever, and at some point they pan to Zach, and I'm like, God, both of these guys are so much better than Zach. Sammi: And so really, there wasn't a bad direction for her to go, I don't think. Sammi: It's like she's just got to decide how she feels, and she's got to make that choice, which is always nice. Steve: Too, because sometimes I'm like, no, not him, and this time you're good. Steve: Anybody's fine. Steve: Well, not Aaron. Steve: And even Aaron. Steve: There's nothing wrong with him. Sammi: With Aaron. Sammi: If she liked Aaron the most, I'd be like, that's fine. Steve: That's okay. Steve: Some people have no taste, but that's all you. Steve: You do. Steve: You it's not harmful. Sammi: That just reminded me of I don't know why. Sammi: I'm, like, thinking about classic York. Sammi: Like, even Louis Vuitton makes so Joey is going to see Charity now. Sammi: He gives his little spiel with Jessie. Sammi: It's like all kind of the normal the. Sammi: I've done a lot of thinking and healing, and I'm on the other side, and I understand, and I just love and support her, and I just want her to be happy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Sammi: And this is, like one of the most amicable reuniting moments, too, that I remember on the show, where it's just like, she looks sparkly and beautiful, and he's, like, giving her the biggest hug, and it was really sweet. Sammi: And he's still kind of, you can tell, emotional about it. Sammi: He's getting all twisty faced about it. Sammi: He's like, AW, shucks OD golly g whiz whatever. Sammi: They made him very likable. Sammi: They did a really good job because I was, like, a mess, and it was good, and then it's like, okay, now it's time for Dotton. Sammi: And I was so emotional about the Joey thing. Sammi: I was just kind of like, well, I knew this was going to happen, they tricked me, now I feel indignant and this all turned out just fine. Sammi: I think what it is, is they are both very comfortable with each other and that's like what you need for a normal relationship. Sammi: You should feel very comfortable with each other. Sammi: And so I think the familiarity is good here. Sammi: And it didn't feel like this with her and Joey. Sammi: I feel like it's a little more I don't know, there was more chemistry and an explosive exciting way. Sammi: But with her and Datten, it just feels very safe and comfortable in a very good way. Sammi: That's important. Steve: Yeah, she made the right call and it's the difference between maybe a sprint and a marathon here. Steve: And it's not to say that both these men would have provided her with plenty of happiness, but I think Datten is probably the better choice for something that you see as a long term relationship. Steve: And Charity was super smart about it and she dumped Joey in the best way possible. Steve: I don't know how she does it. Steve: It exceeds even the abilities of the editing on The Bachelor and the just she's got it down. Sammi: She handled everything perfectly the whole season. Sammi: I feel like we've watched so many seasons of Bachelors and Bacheloretes kind of like step in it and yeah, not a single flub. Sammi: Perfect season. Steve: It's kind of mind boggling, too, because it can be so stressful and emotional and god, breakups are f** messy. Steve: They're so messy. Steve: And the fact that she was able to not only every single guy leading up to Joey and those are probably easier because some of those guys were you get you get down to Joey who is a man that you could probably marry and probably be pretty happy with and to just let him down like that, it was like a master class. Steve: It was incredible. Steve: Never seen anything like ten out of ten. Sammi: Charity, yeah, she's extremely emotionally mature. Sammi: This is obvious, we know this. Sammi: And yeah, she did awesome. Sammi: Chef's kiss. Sammi: What a great season. Sammi: Very happy about it. Sammi: I thought it was really cute at the end that they showed that she was standing on a box. Sammi: I thought that was adorable. Sammi: I love little behind the scenes things like that. Sammi: And she's like, yeah, love just makes you so happy. Sammi: You get taller and then they just show the box. Sammi: I was like, that's adorable. Sammi: They're just very cute together. Sammi: And yeah, he can keep her safe from lizards or whatever. Sammi: It's good. Sammi: And his family is like, that's like winning the Jackpot. Sammi: They're a really cool family. Sammi: That's one of the best families I've ever seen be on the show. Sammi: And his mom being someone who's really hard to win over and going, yeah, you're my family now. Sammi: And Grandma being like, these two are joined at the soul, or whatever the h*** she said. Sammi: I'm like, yeah, I mean, I just feel like you can't get better than that. Sammi: As long as you like the family and you like him, you're in. Sammi: That's very easy. Sammi: Then some life coach started talking, and I was like, oh, god, I need food. Sammi: I need breakfast, because it was late in the day, and I just did not want to hear this. Sammi: Life coach chuck. Sammi: And then this was like one of the people. Sammi: I was like, are you going to date the bears? Sammi: And then mom we get to see charity's mom, and they're like, okay, how are you feeling? Sammi: She's like, I'm happy now. Sammi: Yeah, he's good. Sammi: I like him. Sammi: He's pretty good. Sammi: Or was. Sammi: She wasn't like, oh, my god, he's the like, yeah, I really like him. Sammi: I think at some point and again, I was tired. Sammi: Didn't we see Danton's family and his mom in the audience getting emotional over everything? Steve: I thought this audience was they were put through the wringer. Steve: I'm pretty sure they were there, too, but yeah, everyone was super emotion, including datten's people. Sammi: I was so emotional, I just stopped paying attention. Sammi: Yeah, it was so then and then she shows off her find that, personally, this is just personal. Sammi: I find the rings kind of boring. Sammi: They're just like one big rock. Sammi: Okay. Sammi: But I'm glad she likes it. Sammi: Okay. Sammi: This was interesting. Sammi: Do you think they're going to shoot the golden bachelor different the whole time? Sammi: Do you think the style of shooting is going to be different? Sammi: Because did you notice how soft they made it and the camera work was all different. Sammi: Is it just for the promo, you think, or what do you think? Steve: I think that is just for the promo, but it definitely has a softer, different look to it. Steve: It's almost like soap opera esque in its presentation, which I guess is appropriate. Steve: It is somewhat reminiscent of very early seasons of the bachelor. Steve: So if you go back to the first three seasons yeah. Sammi: Where it's like a little more like romanticy. Steve: Yeah. Steve: And I don't know if that is intentional or if I'm just like my brain has been permanently poisoned by watching the show for so many years. Steve: But I think based on the previews alone, it looks like it's going to have a slightly different aesthetic, and I am perfectly fine and open with that. Steve: Because if there's one thing that you can criticize about the Bachelor and honestly don't make it one thing, make it a million things, because there's plenty. Steve: But if there's one thing you can consistently criticize, is that they recycle the same ideas and visual cues and everything over and over and over and over again, so anything that can push them out of their comfort zone. Steve: And I do think that old people are going to help with this because, oh, my god, the kinds of problems and emotional issues and things that they're going to have to deal with are going to be totally different from the normal crap that comes up on the bachelor to bachelorette. Steve: And when it's not different, when it's like, oh, and so and so has an 80 year old husband back home, that's going to be even funnier and crazier, so bring it on. Steve: I'm here for it, whatever it is. Sammi: So and so has an 80 year old husband back home. Sammi: I like that idea. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: I'm kind of wondering if it's going to be messy in any way or if it is just going to be kind of like sweet and sentimental the whole time. Steve: I hope not. Sammi: I know you hope not, but I'm just kind of like not totally sure anymore. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: I'm interested to see what happens. Sammi: We don't have to wait super long. Sammi: We've got about a month and you'll hear from us at least one time in between then. Sammi: Do you think they're going to let the dog stay with him? Sammi: Because that dog is obsessed. Sammi: That was the cutest dog. Sammi: Oh, my god, don't tell me. Steve: In my heart, yes, but in reality, I think they're probably going to have. Sammi: To say no because who had their dog? Sammi: One of the bachelorettes, right. Sammi: Had their dog with them or bachelors. Steve: It just seems like a nightmare, like all the traveling they do and it's just stressful for the dog, too. Sammi: I think it was just domestic. Sammi: Do you remember wait, hold on. Sammi: Okay, let's see. Sammi: Golly, I don't remember. Sammi: There was one now. Sammi: I just found the rambo thing, but yeah, there was one where it was like, oh, my dog came with me. Sammi: Do you remember talking about anyway, whatever. Steve: Well, rachel lindsay's dog cooper appeared alongside her on the Bachelorete season 13. Sammi: I just tried to that's what it was. Sammi: Okay. Sammi: God, I mean, so much happened on rachel's season. Sammi: I forgot it was yeah. Sammi: Oh, my gosh. Steve: I had tried to forget rambo dog guy, but unfortunately rambo dog guy has now been brought back into my memory bank. Steve: So thank you, Sammi. Sammi: Yeah, I think it was just local, right? Sammi: It was just like when they were in the states, the dog was there, so I was just like, maybe that would be a thing that would happen again. Sammi: Because that was very cute and I really liked that. Sammi: That's all. Sammi: And then, okay, so there's no set date. Sammi: So we see charity and Dotton and of mean, I don't think there's ever at least I don't remember in the history of the show them being like, oh, and it's probably, are joe and serena married yet? Sammi: Because otherwise they'll be the ones I. Steve: Don'T know if they're married, but they did a commercial for concealer or something together. Sammi: They've been doing that a lot. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: Mark my words, they're going to be the couple in paradise that gets married. Steve: It seems. Steve: So their star is rising. Steve: Grocery store joe is the international commercial superstar. Steve: Honestly, grocery store joe, you're acting in these commercials. Steve: You got speaking lines. Steve: Are you SAG brother? Steve: Like, should you be on the picket line? Steve: Maybe, I don't know. Sammi: Oh, interesting. Sammi: Didn't think about that. Sammi: Anyway, so yeah, I think they're going to get married in paradise. Sammi: That's my I don't I can't remember any time where they're like, oh, yeah, we have a set know. Sammi: But they're like, we're enjoying the season of our she's going they're going to Greece. Sammi: She's always wanted to go to Greece. Sammi: And so she's going to get to go to Greece, which is sweet. Sammi: And then she's also going to be on Dancing with the Stars, which is like not shocking but cool. Sammi: And then Joey gets announced as the new bachelor and we kind of knew that. Sammi: And the first woman that we meet who lives on Oahu or well, she moved to La. Sammi: But she's from Oahu. Sammi: She's joining Joey. Sammi: And then yeah, so they're excited. Sammi: But then she gets an envelope. Sammi: It's not a date card, but we don't know what it is until night one. Sammi: And that's as much surprise as they can know because Jesse is like, well, you've never seen anything like this. Sammi: And I'm like, this is like a pretty normal season. Sammi: But you were like, we're going to give you a trip so we can say it was a surprise. Sammi: We're not going to tell you about Dancing with the Stars until here. Sammi: So it's a surprise. Sammi: Charity has got to be getting tired of surprises at this point because they also surprise her with a Bachelorete. Steve: Remember that's the theme for her series. Sammi: She's like, okay, here it goes. Steve: Boys under pressure. Steve: The charity story. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: I mean, for real. Sammi: She's like always handles surprises well but I don't know if she actually likes them. Sammi: We'll see. Sammi: Okay, let's see. Sammi: I'm looking through to see if there's anything else I missed. Sammi: That was kind of the big stuff. Sammi: I don't feel like there was just not a lot to say. Sammi: Somehow we filled 45 minutes, but there wasn't a lot to say about this episode except I cried a lot and it was good. Sammi: And I'm excited for the Golden Bachelor. Sammi: I'm excited for Bachelor in paradise and I'm excited for Joey being the bachelor. Sammi: And that's fun because when's the last time I got excited about a bachelor? Sammi: I don't know. Sammi: It's been a really long time. Steve: Yeah, it's been a while. Steve: But yeah. Steve: Kudos to production for, again, taking a foregone conclusion, making it dramatic and selling me on someone that I thought was fine but boring. Steve: So just high marks all around. Steve: Charity's great. Steve: Everything's great. Steve: Sammi stayed up too late, got super emotional. Steve: It's okay. Steve: Nothing wrong with that. Steve: There's nothing wrong with it. Sammi: I'm excited all of you. Sammi: I did it for all of you. Sammi: And then we got home last night at like 10:00 and I mentioned this off recording. Sammi: We played pinball until I don't know. Sammi: This is a problem. Sammi: We played pinball until bar closed and so, yeah, my mind's kind of fresh, but I'm just coming off vacation, so if I repeated myself a lot, you knew what you were getting into. Sammi: Okay. Sammi: You knew what this was also. Sammi: You're welcome. Sammi: I hope you got your dishes done or got to your workplace or cleaned your office or whatever it is you're doing right now. Sammi: And I'm so excited. Sammi: Yeah. Sammi: The jilly box has made it through customs. Sammi: It should be here in a day or two. Sammi: And the grand reveal is coming soon, so you'll get to enjoy that shortly. Sammi: And it'll be a nice break. Sammi: Hopefully we can get it done before school starts. Sammi: And then once I'm in the swing of things for school, we'll have the golden bachelor and bachelor in paradise to record. Steve: Love. Sammi: It's going to be great. Sammi: It's going to be great. Sammi: If you want to see my slow decline into madness, come back on or before the last week of September, and I'm sure that's what you're going to get to see. Steve: That's right. Steve: We're making q four. Steve: Every month of Q four is mental health awareness month on our podcast. Sammi: It's going to be like, why did I decide to do biostatistics and biochemistry in the same semester? Sammi: Why? Sammi: Anyway, so take care of yourselves, friends. Sammi: Take care of each other if you haven't had a chance. Sammi: I mean, we are in the last moments of summer. Sammi: I know a lot of us had a heat wave recently. Sammi: At least here it's broken. Sammi: Make sure you're getting outside. Sammi: Enjoy that weather. Sammi: Go for a nice long walk. Sammi: That's what I'm about to do when I get off of here and make jam as well. Sammi: And, yeah, just enjoy those last moments that you have before it gets cold and dark, if you're in a part of the world where that happens. Steve: Yeah. Steve: And you know what? Steve: I'm going down to the lake as soon as this call is done. Steve: I'm going to walk around. Steve: I'm going to probably eat a snack. Steve: I'm going to watch the sunset. Steve: It's going to be beautiful. Steve: You know what I'm not going to do? Steve: I'm not going to do needle drugs, because you shouldn't do needle drugs. Steve: Don't do needle drugs. Steve: You got to hit them with the triple because they going to hear from us for a little while. Sammi: We'll be back with a jilly box. Steve: And a double bachelor experience. Steve: Oh, lordy.

Rose Plate Special: Charity, Week 8 We are so ready for the Golden Bachelor, but first, we need to see what happens with Charity and the men who are left! This season's The Men Tell All mostly gave us nothing, but the "FP" revelation and Steve's behind-the-scenes knowhow about Sean and his family gave us something to talk about. If you're here from the new Amazon feature, hi, and welcome!