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Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Rob Eisenberg This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Rob Eisenberg who is a principal software engineer at InVision, and is the creator of Caliburn.Micro, Durandal, and Aurelia. Today, they talk about Rob’s past and current projects among other things. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:40 – Chuck: Our special guest is Rob Eisenberg. We’ve had you on Adventures on Angular (09 and 80), JavaScript Jabber, and others like Episode 203. 2:36 – Rob: That was over the period of 4 years all of those podcasts. I am getting older. 2:50 – Chuck: Anything that you’ve done that you want to talk about? 3:04 – Rob: I am known for opensource work over the years. Maybe we can talk about my progression through that over the years. 3:25 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 3:29 – Rob: When I was 8 years old my dad wanted to buy a computer. We went to Sears and we bought our first computer. You’d buy the disk drive and the keyboard looking unit. You could by a monitor, we didn’t, but we used a black and white TV for our monitor. Later we bought the colored monitor and printer. That’s where my fascination started. We set up the computer in my bedroom. We played games. I got intrigued that you could write code to make different games. It was just magical for me. As being an adult engineer I am trying to go back to that moment to recapture that magical moment for me. It was a great creative outlet. That’s how I first started. I started learning about Q basic and other flavors of Basic. Then I heard about C! I remember you could do anything with C. I went to the library and there wasn’t the Internet, yet. There were 3 books about C and read it and re-read it. I didn’t have any connections nor a compiler. When I first learned C I didn’t have a compiler. I learned how to learn the codes on notebook paper, but as a kid this is what I first started doing. I actually saved some of this stuff and I have it lying around somewhere. I was big into adventure games. That’s when I moved on C++ and printed out my source code! It’s so crazy to talk about it but at the time that’s what I did as a kid. In JHS there was one other kid that geeked-out about it with me. It was a ton of fun. Then it was an intense hobby of mine. Then at the end of HS I had 2 loves: computers and percussion. I was composing for music, too. I had to decide between music or coding. I decided to go with music. It was the best decision I ever made because I studied music composition. When you are composing for dozens of instruments to play one unified thing. Every pitch, every rhythm, and it all works together. Why this note and why that rhythm? There is an artistic side to this and academia, too. The end result is that music is enjoyed by humans; same for software. I did 2 degrees in music and then started my Master’s in Music. I then realized I love computers, too, how can I put these two together? I read some things on audio programming, and it stepped me back into programming. At this time, I was working in music education and trying to compose music for gamming. Someone said look at this program called C#! I don’t know cause...how can you get any better than C++?! In 2003 – I saw a book: teach yourself C# in 24 hours. I read it and I was enthralled with how neat this was! I was building some Windows applications through C#. I thought it was crazy that there was so much change from when I was in college. 17:00 – Chuck: You start making this transition to web? What roped you in? 17:25 – Rob: I realized the power of this, not completely roped in just, yet. Microsoft was working (around this time) with... 19:45 – (Continued from Rob): When Silver Light died that’s when I looked at the web. I said forget this native platform. I came back to JavaScript for the 2nd time – and said I am going to learn this language with the same intensity as I learned C++ and C#. I started working with Durandal. 21:45 – Charles: Yeah, I remember when you worked with the router and stuff like that. You were on the core team. 21:53 – Rob: The work I did on that was inspired by screen activation patterns. 23:41 – Rob (continued): I work with InVision now. 24:14 – Charles: I remember you were on the Angular team and then you transitioned – what was that like? 24:33 – Rob comments. 25:28 – Rob (continued): I have been doing opensource for about 13 years. I almost burned myself a few times and almost went bankrupt a few times. The question is how to be involved, but run the race without getting burned-out. It’s a marathon not a sprint. These libraries are huge assets. Thank God I didn’t go bankrupt but became very close. The more popular something if there are more varieties and people not everyone is so pleasant. It’s okay to disagree. Now what are the different opinions and what works well for your team and project? It’s important to stay to your core and vision. Why would you pick THIS over THAT? It’s a fun and exciting time if you are 28:41 – Charles: What are you 28:47 – Rob: InVision and InVision studio. It’s a tool for designing screens. I work on that during the day and during the night I work on Aurelia. 30:43 – Chuck: I am pretty sure that we have had people from InVision on a show before. 31:03 – Rob comments. Rob: How we all work together. 31:20 – What is coming in with Aurelia next? 31:24 – Rob: We are trying to work with as much backwards compatibility as we can. So you don’t see a lot of the framework code in your app code. It’s less intrusive. We are trying next, can we keep the same language, the same levels, and such but change the implementation under the hood. You don’t learn anything new. You don’t have new things to learn. But how it’s implemented it’s smaller, faster, and more efficient. We have made the framework more pluggable to the compiler-level. It’s fully supported and super accessible. Frameworks will come and go – this is my belief is that you invest in the standards of the web. We are taking that up a notch. Unobtrusiveness is the next thing we want to do.  We’ve always had great performance and now taking it to the next level. We are doing a lot around documentation. To help people understand what the architectural decisions are and why? We are taking it to the next level from our core. It’s coming along swimmingly so I am really excited. We’ve already got 90% test coverage and over 40,000 tests. 37:33 – Chuck: Let’s get you on JavaScript Jabber! 38:19 – Chuck: Where can people find you? 38:22 – Twitter, and everywhere else. Blog! 39:17 – Chuck: Picks? 39:23 – Rob dives in! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# InVision Aurelia Aurelia Blog by Rob Rob Eisenberg’s Twitter Rob’s Website Rob’s LinkedIn Rob’s GitHub Rob’s Episode 9 Rob’s Episode 80 Rob’s Episode 203 Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Rob Database: Orbit DB Robit Riddle The Wingfeather Saga Charles Used to play: Dungeons and Dragons Little Wizards Park City, UT VRBO

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Rob Eisenberg This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Rob Eisenberg who is a principal software engineer at InVision, and is the creator of Caliburn.Micro, Durandal, and Aurelia. Today, they talk about Rob’s past and current projects among other things. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:40 – Chuck: Our special guest is Rob Eisenberg. We’ve had you on Adventures on Angular (09 and 80), JavaScript Jabber, and others like Episode 203. 2:36 – Rob: That was over the period of 4 years all of those podcasts. I am getting older. 2:50 – Chuck: Anything that you’ve done that you want to talk about? 3:04 – Rob: I am known for opensource work over the years. Maybe we can talk about my progression through that over the years. 3:25 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 3:29 – Rob: When I was 8 years old my dad wanted to buy a computer. We went to Sears and we bought our first computer. You’d buy the disk drive and the keyboard looking unit. You could by a monitor, we didn’t, but we used a black and white TV for our monitor. Later we bought the colored monitor and printer. That’s where my fascination started. We set up the computer in my bedroom. We played games. I got intrigued that you could write code to make different games. It was just magical for me. As being an adult engineer I am trying to go back to that moment to recapture that magical moment for me. It was a great creative outlet. That’s how I first started. I started learning about Q basic and other flavors of Basic. Then I heard about C! I remember you could do anything with C. I went to the library and there wasn’t the Internet, yet. There were 3 books about C and read it and re-read it. I didn’t have any connections nor a compiler. When I first learned C I didn’t have a compiler. I learned how to learn the codes on notebook paper, but as a kid this is what I first started doing. I actually saved some of this stuff and I have it lying around somewhere. I was big into adventure games. That’s when I moved on C++ and printed out my source code! It’s so crazy to talk about it but at the time that’s what I did as a kid. In JHS there was one other kid that geeked-out about it with me. It was a ton of fun. Then it was an intense hobby of mine. Then at the end of HS I had 2 loves: computers and percussion. I was composing for music, too. I had to decide between music or coding. I decided to go with music. It was the best decision I ever made because I studied music composition. When you are composing for dozens of instruments to play one unified thing. Every pitch, every rhythm, and it all works together. Why this note and why that rhythm? There is an artistic side to this and academia, too. The end result is that music is enjoyed by humans; same for software. I did 2 degrees in music and then started my Master’s in Music. I then realized I love computers, too, how can I put these two together? I read some things on audio programming, and it stepped me back into programming. At this time, I was working in music education and trying to compose music for gamming. Someone said look at this program called C#! I don’t know cause...how can you get any better than C++?! In 2003 – I saw a book: teach yourself C# in 24 hours. I read it and I was enthralled with how neat this was! I was building some Windows applications through C#. I thought it was crazy that there was so much change from when I was in college. 17:00 – Chuck: You start making this transition to web? What roped you in? 17:25 – Rob: I realized the power of this, not completely roped in just, yet. Microsoft was working (around this time) with... 19:45 – (Continued from Rob): When Silver Light died that’s when I looked at the web. I said forget this native platform. I came back to JavaScript for the 2nd time – and said I am going to learn this language with the same intensity as I learned C++ and C#. I started working with Durandal. 21:45 – Charles: Yeah, I remember when you worked with the router and stuff like that. You were on the core team. 21:53 – Rob: The work I did on that was inspired by screen activation patterns. 23:41 – Rob (continued): I work with InVision now. 24:14 – Charles: I remember you were on the Angular team and then you transitioned – what was that like? 24:33 – Rob comments. 25:28 – Rob (continued): I have been doing opensource for about 13 years. I almost burned myself a few times and almost went bankrupt a few times. The question is how to be involved, but run the race without getting burned-out. It’s a marathon not a sprint. These libraries are huge assets. Thank God I didn’t go bankrupt but became very close. The more popular something if there are more varieties and people not everyone is so pleasant. It’s okay to disagree. Now what are the different opinions and what works well for your team and project? It’s important to stay to your core and vision. Why would you pick THIS over THAT? It’s a fun and exciting time if you are 28:41 – Charles: What are you 28:47 – Rob: InVision and InVision studio. It’s a tool for designing screens. I work on that during the day and during the night I work on Aurelia. 30:43 – Chuck: I am pretty sure that we have had people from InVision on a show before. 31:03 – Rob comments. Rob: How we all work together. 31:20 – What is coming in with Aurelia next? 31:24 – Rob: We are trying to work with as much backwards compatibility as we can. So you don’t see a lot of the framework code in your app code. It’s less intrusive. We are trying next, can we keep the same language, the same levels, and such but change the implementation under the hood. You don’t learn anything new. You don’t have new things to learn. But how it’s implemented it’s smaller, faster, and more efficient. We have made the framework more pluggable to the compiler-level. It’s fully supported and super accessible. Frameworks will come and go – this is my belief is that you invest in the standards of the web. We are taking that up a notch. Unobtrusiveness is the next thing we want to do.  We’ve always had great performance and now taking it to the next level. We are doing a lot around documentation. To help people understand what the architectural decisions are and why? We are taking it to the next level from our core. It’s coming along swimmingly so I am really excited. We’ve already got 90% test coverage and over 40,000 tests. 37:33 – Chuck: Let’s get you on JavaScript Jabber! 38:19 – Chuck: Where can people find you? 38:22 – Twitter, and everywhere else. Blog! 39:17 – Chuck: Picks? 39:23 – Rob dives in! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# InVision Aurelia Aurelia Blog by Rob Rob Eisenberg’s Twitter Rob’s Website Rob’s LinkedIn Rob’s GitHub Rob’s Episode 9 Rob’s Episode 80 Rob’s Episode 203 Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Rob Database: Orbit DB Robit Riddle The Wingfeather Saga Charles Used to play: Dungeons and Dragons Little Wizards Park City, UT VRBO

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Rob Eisenberg This week on My JavaScript Story, Charles speaks with Rob Eisenberg who is a principal software engineer at InVision, and is the creator of Caliburn.Micro, Durandal, and Aurelia. Today, they talk about Rob’s past and current projects among other things. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:40 – Chuck: Our special guest is Rob Eisenberg. We’ve had you on Adventures on Angular (09 and 80), JavaScript Jabber, and others like Episode 203. 2:36 – Rob: That was over the period of 4 years all of those podcasts. I am getting older. 2:50 – Chuck: Anything that you’ve done that you want to talk about? 3:04 – Rob: I am known for opensource work over the years. Maybe we can talk about my progression through that over the years. 3:25 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 3:29 – Rob: When I was 8 years old my dad wanted to buy a computer. We went to Sears and we bought our first computer. You’d buy the disk drive and the keyboard looking unit. You could by a monitor, we didn’t, but we used a black and white TV for our monitor. Later we bought the colored monitor and printer. That’s where my fascination started. We set up the computer in my bedroom. We played games. I got intrigued that you could write code to make different games. It was just magical for me. As being an adult engineer I am trying to go back to that moment to recapture that magical moment for me. It was a great creative outlet. That’s how I first started. I started learning about Q basic and other flavors of Basic. Then I heard about C! I remember you could do anything with C. I went to the library and there wasn’t the Internet, yet. There were 3 books about C and read it and re-read it. I didn’t have any connections nor a compiler. When I first learned C I didn’t have a compiler. I learned how to learn the codes on notebook paper, but as a kid this is what I first started doing. I actually saved some of this stuff and I have it lying around somewhere. I was big into adventure games. That’s when I moved on C++ and printed out my source code! It’s so crazy to talk about it but at the time that’s what I did as a kid. In JHS there was one other kid that geeked-out about it with me. It was a ton of fun. Then it was an intense hobby of mine. Then at the end of HS I had 2 loves: computers and percussion. I was composing for music, too. I had to decide between music or coding. I decided to go with music. It was the best decision I ever made because I studied music composition. When you are composing for dozens of instruments to play one unified thing. Every pitch, every rhythm, and it all works together. Why this note and why that rhythm? There is an artistic side to this and academia, too. The end result is that music is enjoyed by humans; same for software. I did 2 degrees in music and then started my Master’s in Music. I then realized I love computers, too, how can I put these two together? I read some things on audio programming, and it stepped me back into programming. At this time, I was working in music education and trying to compose music for gamming. Someone said look at this program called C#! I don’t know cause...how can you get any better than C++?! In 2003 – I saw a book: teach yourself C# in 24 hours. I read it and I was enthralled with how neat this was! I was building some Windows applications through C#. I thought it was crazy that there was so much change from when I was in college. 17:00 – Chuck: You start making this transition to web? What roped you in? 17:25 – Rob: I realized the power of this, not completely roped in just, yet. Microsoft was working (around this time) with... 19:45 – (Continued from Rob): When Silver Light died that’s when I looked at the web. I said forget this native platform. I came back to JavaScript for the 2nd time – and said I am going to learn this language with the same intensity as I learned C++ and C#. I started working with Durandal. 21:45 – Charles: Yeah, I remember when you worked with the router and stuff like that. You were on the core team. 21:53 – Rob: The work I did on that was inspired by screen activation patterns. 23:41 – Rob (continued): I work with InVision now. 24:14 – Charles: I remember you were on the Angular team and then you transitioned – what was that like? 24:33 – Rob comments. 25:28 – Rob (continued): I have been doing opensource for about 13 years. I almost burned myself a few times and almost went bankrupt a few times. The question is how to be involved, but run the race without getting burned-out. It’s a marathon not a sprint. These libraries are huge assets. Thank God I didn’t go bankrupt but became very close. The more popular something if there are more varieties and people not everyone is so pleasant. It’s okay to disagree. Now what are the different opinions and what works well for your team and project? It’s important to stay to your core and vision. Why would you pick THIS over THAT? It’s a fun and exciting time if you are 28:41 – Charles: What are you 28:47 – Rob: InVision and InVision studio. It’s a tool for designing screens. I work on that during the day and during the night I work on Aurelia. 30:43 – Chuck: I am pretty sure that we have had people from InVision on a show before. 31:03 – Rob comments. Rob: How we all work together. 31:20 – What is coming in with Aurelia next? 31:24 – Rob: We are trying to work with as much backwards compatibility as we can. So you don’t see a lot of the framework code in your app code. It’s less intrusive. We are trying next, can we keep the same language, the same levels, and such but change the implementation under the hood. You don’t learn anything new. You don’t have new things to learn. But how it’s implemented it’s smaller, faster, and more efficient. We have made the framework more pluggable to the compiler-level. It’s fully supported and super accessible. Frameworks will come and go – this is my belief is that you invest in the standards of the web. We are taking that up a notch. Unobtrusiveness is the next thing we want to do.  We’ve always had great performance and now taking it to the next level. We are doing a lot around documentation. To help people understand what the architectural decisions are and why? We are taking it to the next level from our core. It’s coming along swimmingly so I am really excited. We’ve already got 90% test coverage and over 40,000 tests. 37:33 – Chuck: Let’s get you on JavaScript Jabber! 38:19 – Chuck: Where can people find you? 38:22 – Twitter, and everywhere else. Blog! 39:17 – Chuck: Picks? 39:23 – Rob dives in! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# InVision Aurelia Aurelia Blog by Rob Rob Eisenberg’s Twitter Rob’s Website Rob’s LinkedIn Rob’s GitHub Rob’s Episode 9 Rob’s Episode 80 Rob’s Episode 203 Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Rob Database: Orbit DB Robit Riddle The Wingfeather Saga Charles Used to play: Dungeons and Dragons Little Wizards Park City, UT VRBO

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Lars Gyrup Brink Nielsen This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Lars Nielsen who is a frontend developer, blogger, a tech speaker, and an OSS contributor. He has worked with many different frameworks, but he and Chuck talk in detail about Angular. Finally, they discuss Lars’ programming background and the current projects he is working on. Check out today’s episode to hear more!  In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:53 – Guest: Hello from Denmark! 1:00 – Chuck: My great, great, great grandmother is Danish. Introduce yourself, please. 1:20 – Guest: I have been working through various companies through my career. I have focused on frontend development and right now it’s Angular and before it was Angular.js and others. I have been developing C# and started off with PHP. So I really enjoy frontend development the most. 1:58 – Chuck: I am talking with Rob Eisenberg in a few days. 2:04 – Guest: From what I’ve heard he’s a great guy. He worked on the Angular router. He branched out to Greater Zone. 2:28 – Chuck. 2:38 – Guest. 2:45 – Chuck: His episode will come out in 2 weeks! Tell us about you – what got you into programming? 3:00 – Guest: It started when I was 5 years old. My brother and I broke 3-4 computers before they bought us a Nintendo set. That was my first dive into it. Then I went to PCs and back in 1999 I wrote my first website with Notepad. Then later I decided to make a career out of it and studied in college. Then started developing full-stack. 4:53 – Chuck: You mentioned Knockout, Angular.js, and others. What have systems have you built in the backend? 5:03 – Guest: Yes, PHP in the beginning. Then I moved onto... (Guest continues answer Chuck’s question.) 6:30 – Chuck: What was about Angular that you liked? Why did you choose that framework? 6:47 – Guest: I got to choose the frontend framework (at the job I was at), and I chose NOT to use Angular. At the time, I thought it was confusing and overwhelming. Ember was stronger for me back then. But then later I got the opportunity to work with it in my current job, and now I am enjoying it. It’s always a challenge. 8:48 – Chuck: Seeing that transition and like that. I am curious though – what features do Angular have that Knockout and others don’t have for you? 9:08 – Guest: We used Coffee Script back then. Do you know it? 9:36 – Chuck: Yep I know it. 9:45 – Guest: I remember studying typescript, too. Coffee Script removed a lot of the stupid errors. 11:22 – Chuck: I think typescript is the way to go. 11:57 – Guest: It helps with those stupid errors that people make once in a while. It’s a type language. 12:45 – (Guest continues.) 13:14 – Chuck: Making the transition from Angular to Angular.js – what process did you go through? 13:25 – (Guest answers. He talks about starting from scratch to learn the new Angular.) 14:08 – Guest: I wouldn’t want to go back to Angular.js. There is so much to learn about Angular and working in-depth with it, there are still new things to explore every day, it’s a large framework. I guess that’s part of the reason why people use React and other frameworks b/c it can be overwhelming, especially for beginners. I enjoy it now b/c I read it now as a native tongue / native language. That’s what I see now, but that’s not what you see at first b/c there are so many new syntaxes. React is mostly JavaScript. 17:22 – Chuck: What features do you like about Angular over Angular.js? 17:28 – Guest: It’s the performance – it’s important! 18:20 – Chuck: What have you done in Angular that you are proud of? 18:24 – Guest: I am working on a few articles and I am about to release 2 of them. It’s a whole series. I am going to Copenhagen soon and I will be giving a talk. 20:17 – Cuck: What else are you working on? 20:23 – Guest: Yes, the articles. I am finishing those up. There will be 4-5 more in the series on that one topic. I want to focus on one topic at a time. There are 3 main concepts: container components, presentation components, and migration. Yes improving my talk for next month’s conference. I am building a small app, too. Working with new technologies and learning about offline apps and install the apps natively on most platforms now. We aren’t dependent on official App Store now, that’s a thing of the past now. 22:06 – Chuck: Where can people find you online? 22:16 – Guest: I have a few projects through GitHub. Find me there. (See links below.) Read my articles when they are published on Medium. 22:44 – Chuck. 22:48 – Guest: My first published articles will be at Angular In Depth. 23:00 – Chuck: Picks! 23:04 – Fresh Books! 27:13 – Chuck: What is the tech scene like in Denmark? 27:18 – Guest: You have to keep up the pace yourself b/c I live in a very small area. There are only a few cities in Denmark where the jobs are. I will go to Meetups and conferences and I am active on European Slack. That’s how I get to be social in the Angular community. I am mostly working at home. I have twin daughters who are 7 years old. I am mostly at the office, too, building and working there, which is 5 miles away from my home. 29:17 – Chuck: In the past episode I talked with someone from Bulgaria, it sounds similar to what you are saying Lars. I am curious are people willing to hire remote if they are outside of the city? 29:40 – Guest: It depends on the company. 30:25 – Chuck: Working remotely is definitely a skill. 30:44 – Guest: I have worked remotely for some jobs b/c I was driving several hours a day. 31:21 – Chuck: My longest commute was 30 minutes top, but I live in a heavy tech scene where I live. Do most people in Denmark know English? 31:5- Guest: My daughters have been speaking English since 3-4 years old b/c of iPads. They are also taught English and German in the school, too. 32:21 – Chuck: Anything else? Are there things that people don’t think about being a developer in Denmark? 32:40 – Guest: There aren’t that many big companies. It’s difficult to get into the right place. There are small companies in Denmark. 33:51 – Chuck: Does that change the way people find jobs in Denmark? 33:59 – Guest: If you don’t like to work for a bank then you have a problem b/c that’s half the jobs! If you don’t like certain industries that could make it harder to get a job as a programmer. 34:33 – Chuck: I am going to wrap this up – anything else? 34:44 – Guest: Create a blog post or start an open source project. That’s what I do when I get bored. When you teach a subject you have to be an expert to be able to explain it to someone else. 35:37 – (Guest lists the titles of his articles – check it out at this timestamp!) 35:50 – (Chuck discusses future episodes and future guests that he will interview.) Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# Angular In Depth Article about Model-View-Presenter with Angular Mastering Reactive JavaScript Angular Router Lars’ Medium Lars’ GitHub Chuck’s Twitter Chuck’s E-mail: chuck@devchat.tv Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Charles Azure DevOps – It’s free for up to 5-6 team members! Chat System: Mattermost Lars Angular In Depth Book: Mastering Reactive JavaScript by Erich de Souza Oliveira Angular Router Book

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Lars Gyrup Brink Nielsen This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Lars Nielsen who is a frontend developer, blogger, a tech speaker, and an OSS contributor. He has worked with many different frameworks, but he and Chuck talk in detail about Angular. Finally, they discuss Lars’ programming background and the current projects he is working on. Check out today’s episode to hear more!  In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:53 – Guest: Hello from Denmark! 1:00 – Chuck: My great, great, great grandmother is Danish. Introduce yourself, please. 1:20 – Guest: I have been working through various companies through my career. I have focused on frontend development and right now it’s Angular and before it was Angular.js and others. I have been developing C# and started off with PHP. So I really enjoy frontend development the most. 1:58 – Chuck: I am talking with Rob Eisenberg in a few days. 2:04 – Guest: From what I’ve heard he’s a great guy. He worked on the Angular router. He branched out to Greater Zone. 2:28 – Chuck. 2:38 – Guest. 2:45 – Chuck: His episode will come out in 2 weeks! Tell us about you – what got you into programming? 3:00 – Guest: It started when I was 5 years old. My brother and I broke 3-4 computers before they bought us a Nintendo set. That was my first dive into it. Then I went to PCs and back in 1999 I wrote my first website with Notepad. Then later I decided to make a career out of it and studied in college. Then started developing full-stack. 4:53 – Chuck: You mentioned Knockout, Angular.js, and others. What have systems have you built in the backend? 5:03 – Guest: Yes, PHP in the beginning. Then I moved onto... (Guest continues answer Chuck’s question.) 6:30 – Chuck: What was about Angular that you liked? Why did you choose that framework? 6:47 – Guest: I got to choose the frontend framework (at the job I was at), and I chose NOT to use Angular. At the time, I thought it was confusing and overwhelming. Ember was stronger for me back then. But then later I got the opportunity to work with it in my current job, and now I am enjoying it. It’s always a challenge. 8:48 – Chuck: Seeing that transition and like that. I am curious though – what features do Angular have that Knockout and others don’t have for you? 9:08 – Guest: We used Coffee Script back then. Do you know it? 9:36 – Chuck: Yep I know it. 9:45 – Guest: I remember studying typescript, too. Coffee Script removed a lot of the stupid errors. 11:22 – Chuck: I think typescript is the way to go. 11:57 – Guest: It helps with those stupid errors that people make once in a while. It’s a type language. 12:45 – (Guest continues.) 13:14 – Chuck: Making the transition from Angular to Angular.js – what process did you go through? 13:25 – (Guest answers. He talks about starting from scratch to learn the new Angular.) 14:08 – Guest: I wouldn’t want to go back to Angular.js. There is so much to learn about Angular and working in-depth with it, there are still new things to explore every day, it’s a large framework. I guess that’s part of the reason why people use React and other frameworks b/c it can be overwhelming, especially for beginners. I enjoy it now b/c I read it now as a native tongue / native language. That’s what I see now, but that’s not what you see at first b/c there are so many new syntaxes. React is mostly JavaScript. 17:22 – Chuck: What features do you like about Angular over Angular.js? 17:28 – Guest: It’s the performance – it’s important! 18:20 – Chuck: What have you done in Angular that you are proud of? 18:24 – Guest: I am working on a few articles and I am about to release 2 of them. It’s a whole series. I am going to Copenhagen soon and I will be giving a talk. 20:17 – Cuck: What else are you working on? 20:23 – Guest: Yes, the articles. I am finishing those up. There will be 4-5 more in the series on that one topic. I want to focus on one topic at a time. There are 3 main concepts: container components, presentation components, and migration. Yes improving my talk for next month’s conference. I am building a small app, too. Working with new technologies and learning about offline apps and install the apps natively on most platforms now. We aren’t dependent on official App Store now, that’s a thing of the past now. 22:06 – Chuck: Where can people find you online? 22:16 – Guest: I have a few projects through GitHub. Find me there. (See links below.) Read my articles when they are published on Medium. 22:44 – Chuck. 22:48 – Guest: My first published articles will be at Angular In Depth. 23:00 – Chuck: Picks! 23:04 – Fresh Books! 27:13 – Chuck: What is the tech scene like in Denmark? 27:18 – Guest: You have to keep up the pace yourself b/c I live in a very small area. There are only a few cities in Denmark where the jobs are. I will go to Meetups and conferences and I am active on European Slack. That’s how I get to be social in the Angular community. I am mostly working at home. I have twin daughters who are 7 years old. I am mostly at the office, too, building and working there, which is 5 miles away from my home. 29:17 – Chuck: In the past episode I talked with someone from Bulgaria, it sounds similar to what you are saying Lars. I am curious are people willing to hire remote if they are outside of the city? 29:40 – Guest: It depends on the company. 30:25 – Chuck: Working remotely is definitely a skill. 30:44 – Guest: I have worked remotely for some jobs b/c I was driving several hours a day. 31:21 – Chuck: My longest commute was 30 minutes top, but I live in a heavy tech scene where I live. Do most people in Denmark know English? 31:5- Guest: My daughters have been speaking English since 3-4 years old b/c of iPads. They are also taught English and German in the school, too. 32:21 – Chuck: Anything else? Are there things that people don’t think about being a developer in Denmark? 32:40 – Guest: There aren’t that many big companies. It’s difficult to get into the right place. There are small companies in Denmark. 33:51 – Chuck: Does that change the way people find jobs in Denmark? 33:59 – Guest: If you don’t like to work for a bank then you have a problem b/c that’s half the jobs! If you don’t like certain industries that could make it harder to get a job as a programmer. 34:33 – Chuck: I am going to wrap this up – anything else? 34:44 – Guest: Create a blog post or start an open source project. That’s what I do when I get bored. When you teach a subject you have to be an expert to be able to explain it to someone else. 35:37 – (Guest lists the titles of his articles – check it out at this timestamp!) 35:50 – (Chuck discusses future episodes and future guests that he will interview.) Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# Angular In Depth Article about Model-View-Presenter with Angular Mastering Reactive JavaScript Angular Router Lars’ Medium Lars’ GitHub Chuck’s Twitter Chuck’s E-mail: chuck@devchat.tv Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Charles Azure DevOps – It’s free for up to 5-6 team members! Chat System: Mattermost Lars Angular In Depth Book: Mastering Reactive JavaScript by Erich de Souza Oliveira Angular Router Book

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Lars Gyrup Brink Nielsen This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Lars Nielsen who is a frontend developer, blogger, a tech speaker, and an OSS contributor. He has worked with many different frameworks, but he and Chuck talk in detail about Angular. Finally, they discuss Lars’ programming background and the current projects he is working on. Check out today’s episode to hear more!  In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 0:53 – Guest: Hello from Denmark! 1:00 – Chuck: My great, great, great grandmother is Danish. Introduce yourself, please. 1:20 – Guest: I have been working through various companies through my career. I have focused on frontend development and right now it’s Angular and before it was Angular.js and others. I have been developing C# and started off with PHP. So I really enjoy frontend development the most. 1:58 – Chuck: I am talking with Rob Eisenberg in a few days. 2:04 – Guest: From what I’ve heard he’s a great guy. He worked on the Angular router. He branched out to Greater Zone. 2:28 – Chuck. 2:38 – Guest. 2:45 – Chuck: His episode will come out in 2 weeks! Tell us about you – what got you into programming? 3:00 – Guest: It started when I was 5 years old. My brother and I broke 3-4 computers before they bought us a Nintendo set. That was my first dive into it. Then I went to PCs and back in 1999 I wrote my first website with Notepad. Then later I decided to make a career out of it and studied in college. Then started developing full-stack. 4:53 – Chuck: You mentioned Knockout, Angular.js, and others. What have systems have you built in the backend? 5:03 – Guest: Yes, PHP in the beginning. Then I moved onto... (Guest continues answer Chuck’s question.) 6:30 – Chuck: What was about Angular that you liked? Why did you choose that framework? 6:47 – Guest: I got to choose the frontend framework (at the job I was at), and I chose NOT to use Angular. At the time, I thought it was confusing and overwhelming. Ember was stronger for me back then. But then later I got the opportunity to work with it in my current job, and now I am enjoying it. It’s always a challenge. 8:48 – Chuck: Seeing that transition and like that. I am curious though – what features do Angular have that Knockout and others don’t have for you? 9:08 – Guest: We used Coffee Script back then. Do you know it? 9:36 – Chuck: Yep I know it. 9:45 – Guest: I remember studying typescript, too. Coffee Script removed a lot of the stupid errors. 11:22 – Chuck: I think typescript is the way to go. 11:57 – Guest: It helps with those stupid errors that people make once in a while. It’s a type language. 12:45 – (Guest continues.) 13:14 – Chuck: Making the transition from Angular to Angular.js – what process did you go through? 13:25 – (Guest answers. He talks about starting from scratch to learn the new Angular.) 14:08 – Guest: I wouldn’t want to go back to Angular.js. There is so much to learn about Angular and working in-depth with it, there are still new things to explore every day, it’s a large framework. I guess that’s part of the reason why people use React and other frameworks b/c it can be overwhelming, especially for beginners. I enjoy it now b/c I read it now as a native tongue / native language. That’s what I see now, but that’s not what you see at first b/c there are so many new syntaxes. React is mostly JavaScript. 17:22 – Chuck: What features do you like about Angular over Angular.js? 17:28 – Guest: It’s the performance – it’s important! 18:20 – Chuck: What have you done in Angular that you are proud of? 18:24 – Guest: I am working on a few articles and I am about to release 2 of them. It’s a whole series. I am going to Copenhagen soon and I will be giving a talk. 20:17 – Cuck: What else are you working on? 20:23 – Guest: Yes, the articles. I am finishing those up. There will be 4-5 more in the series on that one topic. I want to focus on one topic at a time. There are 3 main concepts: container components, presentation components, and migration. Yes improving my talk for next month’s conference. I am building a small app, too. Working with new technologies and learning about offline apps and install the apps natively on most platforms now. We aren’t dependent on official App Store now, that’s a thing of the past now. 22:06 – Chuck: Where can people find you online? 22:16 – Guest: I have a few projects through GitHub. Find me there. (See links below.) Read my articles when they are published on Medium. 22:44 – Chuck. 22:48 – Guest: My first published articles will be at Angular In Depth. 23:00 – Chuck: Picks! 23:04 – Fresh Books! 27:13 – Chuck: What is the tech scene like in Denmark? 27:18 – Guest: You have to keep up the pace yourself b/c I live in a very small area. There are only a few cities in Denmark where the jobs are. I will go to Meetups and conferences and I am active on European Slack. That’s how I get to be social in the Angular community. I am mostly working at home. I have twin daughters who are 7 years old. I am mostly at the office, too, building and working there, which is 5 miles away from my home. 29:17 – Chuck: In the past episode I talked with someone from Bulgaria, it sounds similar to what you are saying Lars. I am curious are people willing to hire remote if they are outside of the city? 29:40 – Guest: It depends on the company. 30:25 – Chuck: Working remotely is definitely a skill. 30:44 – Guest: I have worked remotely for some jobs b/c I was driving several hours a day. 31:21 – Chuck: My longest commute was 30 minutes top, but I live in a heavy tech scene where I live. Do most people in Denmark know English? 31:5- Guest: My daughters have been speaking English since 3-4 years old b/c of iPads. They are also taught English and German in the school, too. 32:21 – Chuck: Anything else? Are there things that people don’t think about being a developer in Denmark? 32:40 – Guest: There aren’t that many big companies. It’s difficult to get into the right place. There are small companies in Denmark. 33:51 – Chuck: Does that change the way people find jobs in Denmark? 33:59 – Guest: If you don’t like to work for a bank then you have a problem b/c that’s half the jobs! If you don’t like certain industries that could make it harder to get a job as a programmer. 34:33 – Chuck: I am going to wrap this up – anything else? 34:44 – Guest: Create a blog post or start an open source project. That’s what I do when I get bored. When you teach a subject you have to be an expert to be able to explain it to someone else. 35:37 – (Guest lists the titles of his articles – check it out at this timestamp!) 35:50 – (Chuck discusses future episodes and future guests that he will interview.) Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# Angular In Depth Article about Model-View-Presenter with Angular Mastering Reactive JavaScript Angular Router Lars’ Medium Lars’ GitHub Chuck’s Twitter Chuck’s E-mail: chuck@devchat.tv Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Charles Azure DevOps – It’s free for up to 5-6 team members! Chat System: Mattermost Lars Angular In Depth Book: Mastering Reactive JavaScript by Erich de Souza Oliveira Angular Router Book

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Rob Eisenberg This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Rob Eisenberg who is a principal software engineer at InVision, and is the creator of Caliburn.Micro, Durandal, and Aurelia. Today, they talk about Rob’s past and current projects among other things. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:40 – Chuck: Our special guest is Rob Eisenberg. We’ve had you on Adventures on Angular (09 and 80), JavaScript Jabber, and others like Episode 203. 2:36 – Rob: That was over the period of 4 years all of those podcasts. I am getting older. 2:50 – Chuck: Anything that you’ve done that you want to talk about? 3:04 – Rob: I am known for opensource work over the years. Maybe we can talk about my progression through that over the years. 3:25 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 3:29 – Rob: When I was 8 years old my dad wanted to buy a computer. We went to Sears and we bought our first computer. You’d buy the disk drive and the keyboard looking unit. You could by a monitor, we didn’t, but we used a black and white TV for our monitor. Later we bought the colored monitor and printer. That’s where my fascination started. We set up the computer in my bedroom. We played games. I got intrigued that you could write code to make different games. It was just magical for me. As being an adult engineer I am trying to go back to that moment to recapture that magical moment for me. It was a great creative outlet. That’s how I first started. I started learning about Q basic and other flavors of Basic. Then I heard about C! I remember you could do anything with C. I went to the library and there wasn’t the Internet, yet. There were 3 books about C and read it and re-read it. I didn’t have any connections nor a compiler. When I first learned C I didn’t have a compiler. I learned how to learn the codes on notebook paper, but as a kid this is what I first started doing. I actually saved some of this stuff and I have it lying around somewhere. I was big into adventure games. That’s when I moved on C++ and printed out my source code! It’s so crazy to talk about it but at the time that’s what I did as a kid. In JHS there was one other kid that geeked-out about it with me. It was a ton of fun. Then it was an intense hobby of mine. Then at the end of HS I had 2 loves: computers and percussion. I was composing for music, too. I had to decide between music or coding. I decided to go with music. It was the best decision I ever made because I studied music composition. When you are composing for dozens of instruments to play one unified thing. Every pitch, every rhythm, and it all works together. Why this note and why that rhythm? There is an artistic side to this and academia, too. The end result is that music is enjoyed by humans; same for software. I did 2 degrees in music and then started my Master’s in Music. I then realized I love computers, too, how can I put these two together? I read some things on audio programming, and it stepped me back into programming. At this time, I was working in music education and trying to compose music for gamming. Someone said look at this program called C#! I don’t know cause...how can you get any better than C++?! In 2003 – I saw a book: teach yourself C# in 24 hours. I read it and I was enthralled with how neat this was! I was building some Windows applications through C#. I thought it was crazy that there was so much change from when I was in college. 17:00 – Chuck: You start making this transition to web? What roped you in? 17:25 – Rob: I realized the power of this, not completely roped in just, yet. Microsoft was working (around this time) with... 19:45 – (Continued from Rob): When Silver Light died that’s when I looked at the web. I said forget this native platform. I came back to JavaScript for the 2nd time – and said I am going to learn this language with the same intensity as I learned C++ and C#. I started working with Durandal. 21:45 – Charles: Yeah, I remember when you worked with the router and stuff like that. You were on the core team. 21:53 – Rob: The work I did on that was inspired by screen activation patterns. 23:41 – Rob (continued): I work with InVision now. 24:14 – Charles: I remember you were on the Angular team and then you transitioned – what was that like? 24:33 – Rob comments. 25:28 – Rob (continued): I have been doing opensource for about 13 years. I almost burned myself a few times and almost went bankrupt a few times. The question is how to be involved, but run the race without getting burned-out. It’s a marathon not a sprint. These libraries are huge assets. Thank God I didn’t go bankrupt but became very close. The more popular something if there are more varieties and people not everyone is so pleasant. It’s okay to disagree. Now what are the different opinions and what works well for your team and project? It’s important to stay to your core and vision. Why would you pick THIS over THAT? It’s a fun and exciting time if you are 28:41 – Charles: What are you 28:47 – Rob: InVision and InVision studio. It’s a tool for designing screens. I work on that during the day and during the night I work on Aurelia. 30:43 – Chuck: I am pretty sure that we have had people from InVision on a show before. 31:03 – Rob comments. Rob: How we all work together. 31:20 – What is coming in with Aurelia next? 31:24 – Rob: We are trying to work with as much backwards compatibility as we can. So you don’t see a lot of the framework code in your app code. It’s less intrusive. We are trying next, can we keep the same language, the same levels, and such but change the implementation under the hood. You don’t learn anything new. You don’t have new things to learn. But how it’s implemented it’s smaller, faster, and more efficient. We have made the framework more pluggable to the compiler-level. It’s fully supported and super accessible. Frameworks will come and go – this is my belief is that you invest in the standards of the web. We are taking that up a notch. Unobtrusiveness is the next thing we want to do.  We’ve always had great performance and now taking it to the next level. We are doing a lot around documentation. To help people understand what the architectural decisions are and why? We are taking it to the next level from our core. It’s coming along swimmingly so I am really excited. We’ve already got 90% test coverage and over 40,000 tests. 37:33 – Chuck: Let’s get you on JavaScript Jabber! 38:19 – Chuck: Where can people find you? 38:22 – Twitter, and everywhere else. Blog! 39:17 – Chuck: Picks? 39:23 – Rob dives in! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# InVision Aurelia Aurelia Blog by Rob Rob Eisenberg’s Twitter Rob’s Website Rob’s LinkedIn Rob’s GitHub Rob’s Episode 9 Rob’s Episode 80 Rob’s Episode 203 Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Rob Database: Orbit DB Robit Riddle The Wingfeather Saga Charles Used to play: Dungeons and Dragons Little Wizards Park City, UT VRBO

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Rob Eisenberg This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Rob Eisenberg who is a principal software engineer at InVision, and is the creator of Caliburn.Micro, Durandal, and Aurelia. Today, they talk about Rob’s past and current projects among other things. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:40 – Chuck: Our special guest is Rob Eisenberg. We’ve had you on Adventures on Angular (09 and 80), JavaScript Jabber, and others like Episode 203. 2:36 – Rob: That was over the period of 4 years all of those podcasts. I am getting older. 2:50 – Chuck: Anything that you’ve done that you want to talk about? 3:04 – Rob: I am known for opensource work over the years. Maybe we can talk about my progression through that over the years. 3:25 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 3:29 – Rob: When I was 8 years old my dad wanted to buy a computer. We went to Sears and we bought our first computer. You’d buy the disk drive and the keyboard looking unit. You could by a monitor, we didn’t, but we used a black and white TV for our monitor. Later we bought the colored monitor and printer. That’s where my fascination started. We set up the computer in my bedroom. We played games. I got intrigued that you could write code to make different games. It was just magical for me. As being an adult engineer I am trying to go back to that moment to recapture that magical moment for me. It was a great creative outlet. That’s how I first started. I started learning about Q basic and other flavors of Basic. Then I heard about C! I remember you could do anything with C. I went to the library and there wasn’t the Internet, yet. There were 3 books about C and read it and re-read it. I didn’t have any connections nor a compiler. When I first learned C I didn’t have a compiler. I learned how to learn the codes on notebook paper, but as a kid this is what I first started doing. I actually saved some of this stuff and I have it lying around somewhere. I was big into adventure games. That’s when I moved on C++ and printed out my source code! It’s so crazy to talk about it but at the time that’s what I did as a kid. In JHS there was one other kid that geeked-out about it with me. It was a ton of fun. Then it was an intense hobby of mine. Then at the end of HS I had 2 loves: computers and percussion. I was composing for music, too. I had to decide between music or coding. I decided to go with music. It was the best decision I ever made because I studied music composition. When you are composing for dozens of instruments to play one unified thing. Every pitch, every rhythm, and it all works together. Why this note and why that rhythm? There is an artistic side to this and academia, too. The end result is that music is enjoyed by humans; same for software. I did 2 degrees in music and then started my Master’s in Music. I then realized I love computers, too, how can I put these two together? I read some things on audio programming, and it stepped me back into programming. At this time, I was working in music education and trying to compose music for gamming. Someone said look at this program called C#! I don’t know cause...how can you get any better than C++?! In 2003 – I saw a book: teach yourself C# in 24 hours. I read it and I was enthralled with how neat this was! I was building some Windows applications through C#. I thought it was crazy that there was so much change from when I was in college. 17:00 – Chuck: You start making this transition to web? What roped you in? 17:25 – Rob: I realized the power of this, not completely roped in just, yet. Microsoft was working (around this time) with... 19:45 – (Continued from Rob): When Silver Light died that’s when I looked at the web. I said forget this native platform. I came back to JavaScript for the 2nd time – and said I am going to learn this language with the same intensity as I learned C++ and C#. I started working with Durandal. 21:45 – Charles: Yeah, I remember when you worked with the router and stuff like that. You were on the core team. 21:53 – Rob: The work I did on that was inspired by screen activation patterns. 23:41 – Rob (continued): I work with InVision now. 24:14 – Charles: I remember you were on the Angular team and then you transitioned – what was that like? 24:33 – Rob comments. 25:28 – Rob (continued): I have been doing opensource for about 13 years. I almost burned myself a few times and almost went bankrupt a few times. The question is how to be involved, but run the race without getting burned-out. It’s a marathon not a sprint. These libraries are huge assets. Thank God I didn’t go bankrupt but became very close. The more popular something if there are more varieties and people not everyone is so pleasant. It’s okay to disagree. Now what are the different opinions and what works well for your team and project? It’s important to stay to your core and vision. Why would you pick THIS over THAT? It’s a fun and exciting time if you are 28:41 – Charles: What are you 28:47 – Rob: InVision and InVision studio. It’s a tool for designing screens. I work on that during the day and during the night I work on Aurelia. 30:43 – Chuck: I am pretty sure that we have had people from InVision on a show before. 31:03 – Rob comments. Rob: How we all work together. 31:20 – What is coming in with Aurelia next? 31:24 – Rob: We are trying to work with as much backwards compatibility as we can. So you don’t see a lot of the framework code in your app code. It’s less intrusive. We are trying next, can we keep the same language, the same levels, and such but change the implementation under the hood. You don’t learn anything new. You don’t have new things to learn. But how it’s implemented it’s smaller, faster, and more efficient. We have made the framework more pluggable to the compiler-level. It’s fully supported and super accessible. Frameworks will come and go – this is my belief is that you invest in the standards of the web. We are taking that up a notch. Unobtrusiveness is the next thing we want to do.  We’ve always had great performance and now taking it to the next level. We are doing a lot around documentation. To help people understand what the architectural decisions are and why? We are taking it to the next level from our core. It’s coming along swimmingly so I am really excited. We’ve already got 90% test coverage and over 40,000 tests. 37:33 – Chuck: Let’s get you on JavaScript Jabber! 38:19 – Chuck: Where can people find you? 38:22 – Twitter, and everywhere else. Blog! 39:17 – Chuck: Picks? 39:23 – Rob dives in! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# InVision Aurelia Aurelia Blog by Rob Rob Eisenberg’s Twitter Rob’s Website Rob’s LinkedIn Rob’s GitHub Rob’s Episode 9 Rob’s Episode 80 Rob’s Episode 203 Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Rob Database: Orbit DB Robit Riddle The Wingfeather Saga Charles Used to play: Dungeons and Dragons Little Wizards Park City, UT VRBO

Panel: Charles Max Wood Guest: Rob Eisenberg This week on My Angular Story, Charles speaks with Rob Eisenberg who is a principal software engineer at InVision, and is the creator of Caliburn.Micro, Durandal, and Aurelia. Today, they talk about Rob’s past and current projects among other things. In particular, we dive pretty deep on: 1:40 – Chuck: Our special guest is Rob Eisenberg. We’ve had you on Adventures on Angular (09 and 80), JavaScript Jabber, and others like Episode 203. 2:36 – Rob: That was over the period of 4 years all of those podcasts. I am getting older. 2:50 – Chuck: Anything that you’ve done that you want to talk about? 3:04 – Rob: I am known for opensource work over the years. Maybe we can talk about my progression through that over the years. 3:25 – Chuck: How did you get into this field? 3:29 – Rob: When I was 8 years old my dad wanted to buy a computer. We went to Sears and we bought our first computer. You’d buy the disk drive and the keyboard looking unit. You could by a monitor, we didn’t, but we used a black and white TV for our monitor. Later we bought the colored monitor and printer. That’s where my fascination started. We set up the computer in my bedroom. We played games. I got intrigued that you could write code to make different games. It was just magical for me. As being an adult engineer I am trying to go back to that moment to recapture that magical moment for me. It was a great creative outlet. That’s how I first started. I started learning about Q basic and other flavors of Basic. Then I heard about C! I remember you could do anything with C. I went to the library and there wasn’t the Internet, yet. There were 3 books about C and read it and re-read it. I didn’t have any connections nor a compiler. When I first learned C I didn’t have a compiler. I learned how to learn the codes on notebook paper, but as a kid this is what I first started doing. I actually saved some of this stuff and I have it lying around somewhere. I was big into adventure games. That’s when I moved on C++ and printed out my source code! It’s so crazy to talk about it but at the time that’s what I did as a kid. In JHS there was one other kid that geeked-out about it with me. It was a ton of fun. Then it was an intense hobby of mine. Then at the end of HS I had 2 loves: computers and percussion. I was composing for music, too. I had to decide between music or coding. I decided to go with music. It was the best decision I ever made because I studied music composition. When you are composing for dozens of instruments to play one unified thing. Every pitch, every rhythm, and it all works together. Why this note and why that rhythm? There is an artistic side to this and academia, too. The end result is that music is enjoyed by humans; same for software. I did 2 degrees in music and then started my Master’s in Music. I then realized I love computers, too, how can I put these two together? I read some things on audio programming, and it stepped me back into programming. At this time, I was working in music education and trying to compose music for gamming. Someone said look at this program called C#! I don’t know cause...how can you get any better than C++?! In 2003 – I saw a book: teach yourself C# in 24 hours. I read it and I was enthralled with how neat this was! I was building some Windows applications through C#. I thought it was crazy that there was so much change from when I was in college. 17:00 – Chuck: You start making this transition to web? What roped you in? 17:25 – Rob: I realized the power of this, not completely roped in just, yet. Microsoft was working (around this time) with... 19:45 – (Continued from Rob): When Silver Light died that’s when I looked at the web. I said forget this native platform. I came back to JavaScript for the 2nd time – and said I am going to learn this language with the same intensity as I learned C++ and C#. I started working with Durandal. 21:45 – Charles: Yeah, I remember when you worked with the router and stuff like that. You were on the core team. 21:53 – Rob: The work I did on that was inspired by screen activation patterns. 23:41 – Rob (continued): I work with InVision now. 24:14 – Charles: I remember you were on the Angular team and then you transitioned – what was that like? 24:33 – Rob comments. 25:28 – Rob (continued): I have been doing opensource for about 13 years. I almost burned myself a few times and almost went bankrupt a few times. The question is how to be involved, but run the race without getting burned-out. It’s a marathon not a sprint. These libraries are huge assets. Thank God I didn’t go bankrupt but became very close. The more popular something if there are more varieties and people not everyone is so pleasant. It’s okay to disagree. Now what are the different opinions and what works well for your team and project? It’s important to stay to your core and vision. Why would you pick THIS over THAT? It’s a fun and exciting time if you are 28:41 – Charles: What are you 28:47 – Rob: InVision and InVision studio. It’s a tool for designing screens. I work on that during the day and during the night I work on Aurelia. 30:43 – Chuck: I am pretty sure that we have had people from InVision on a show before. 31:03 – Rob comments. Rob: How we all work together. 31:20 – What is coming in with Aurelia next? 31:24 – Rob: We are trying to work with as much backwards compatibility as we can. So you don’t see a lot of the framework code in your app code. It’s less intrusive. We are trying next, can we keep the same language, the same levels, and such but change the implementation under the hood. You don’t learn anything new. You don’t have new things to learn. But how it’s implemented it’s smaller, faster, and more efficient. We have made the framework more pluggable to the compiler-level. It’s fully supported and super accessible. Frameworks will come and go – this is my belief is that you invest in the standards of the web. We are taking that up a notch. Unobtrusiveness is the next thing we want to do.  We’ve always had great performance and now taking it to the next level. We are doing a lot around documentation. To help people understand what the architectural decisions are and why? We are taking it to the next level from our core. It’s coming along swimmingly so I am really excited. We’ve already got 90% test coverage and over 40,000 tests. 37:33 – Chuck: Let’s get you on JavaScript Jabber! 38:19 – Chuck: Where can people find you? 38:22 – Twitter, and everywhere else. Blog! 39:17 – Chuck: Picks? 39:23 – Rob dives in! Links: jQuery Angular JavaScript Vue C++ C# InVision Aurelia Aurelia Blog by Rob Rob Eisenberg’s Twitter Rob’s Website Rob’s LinkedIn Rob’s GitHub Rob’s Episode 9 Rob’s Episode 80 Rob’s Episode 203 Sponsors: Get A Coder Job Fresh Books Cache Fly Picks: Rob Database: Orbit DB Robit Riddle The Wingfeather Saga Charles Used to play: Dungeons and Dragons Little Wizards Park City, UT VRBO

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Check out React Remote Conf!   02:31 - Rob Eisenberg Introduction Twitter GitHub Blog 02:55 - Aurelia Blog 03:43 - Selling People on Aurelia vs Other Frameworks 11:09 - Using Aurelia Without Directly Engaging with the API Web Components 15:10 - Production Usage 18:46 - Specific Uses 23:03 - Durandal 25:26 - Aurelia and Angular 2 30:32 - Convention Over Configuration 34:56 - Web Components Content Projection (Transclusion) Polymer 41:13 - One-directional Data Flow; Data Binding Using a Binding System as Messaging System 46:55 - Routing 49:47 - Animation 52:56 - Code Size 55:06 - Version Support 56:27 - Performance Tools 01:00:20 - Aurelia in ES5 01:01:29 - Data Management Breeze.js Picks Crispy Bacon (Joe) A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder (Joe) Jamison Dance: Rethinking All Practices: Building Applications in Elm @ React.js Conf 2016 (Joe) Vessel | Lorn (Jamison) The Moon Rang Like a Bell | Hundred Waters (Jamison) The Top 10 Episodes of JavaScript Jabber (Chuck) Amazon Prime (Chuck) WiiU (Chuck) Sketch (Rob) Zeplin (Rob) servo (Rob)

Check out React Remote Conf!   02:31 - Rob Eisenberg Introduction Twitter GitHub Blog 02:55 - Aurelia Blog 03:43 - Selling People on Aurelia vs Other Frameworks 11:09 - Using Aurelia Without Directly Engaging with the API Web Components 15:10 - Production Usage 18:46 - Specific Uses 23:03 - Durandal 25:26 - Aurelia and Angular 2 30:32 - Convention Over Configuration 34:56 - Web Components Content Projection (Transclusion) Polymer 41:13 - One-directional Data Flow; Data Binding Using a Binding System as Messaging System 46:55 - Routing 49:47 - Animation 52:56 - Code Size 55:06 - Version Support 56:27 - Performance Tools 01:00:20 - Aurelia in ES5 01:01:29 - Data Management Breeze.js Picks Crispy Bacon (Joe) A Gentleman’s Guide to Love and Murder (Joe) Jamison Dance: Rethinking All Practices: Building Applications in Elm @ React.js Conf 2016 (Joe) Vessel | Lorn (Jamison) The Moon Rang Like a Bell | Hundred Waters (Jamison) The Top 10 Episodes of JavaScript Jabber (Chuck) Amazon Prime (Chuck) WiiU (Chuck) Sketch (Rob) Zeplin (Rob) servo (Rob)

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Check out Freelance Remote Conf and React Remote Conf!   02:34 - Rob Eisenberg Introduction Twitter GitHub Blog 03:23 - Aurelia 04:28 - Conventions and Configurations 19:15 - 2015: “The Year of the Framework” 23:46 - Databinding and Unit Directional Data Flow 27:56 - Advice for Framework Developers React Cycle.js 32:52 - Tool Fatigue JavaScript Fatigue and Keeping Up with Modern Development 43:32 - Change Detection 45:22 - Aurelia Interface Picks AngularConnect (Joe) Why Composer John Williams Knows More About Star Wars Than You Do (Joe) LEGO Star Wars: The Force Awakens Game (Joe) Angular 1 and AngularFire (Joe) The Aurelia Docs (Ward) OhYeah! ONE Bar (Lukas) Joe Eames: How Functional Reactive Programming (FRP) is Changing the Face of Web Development (Lukas) The Auralia Website (Lukas) RushMyPassport (Chuck) Mogo Portable Seat (Chuck) The Malazan Book of the Fallen (Rob) Scholastic Metaphysics: A Contemporary Introduction by Edward Feser (Rob) Attack on Titan Vol. 2 by Hajime Isayama (Rob)