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The C4SO Podcast with Bishop Todd Hunter celebrates the voices and values of The Diocese of Churches For the Sake of Others (C4SO), part of the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA).


    • May 27, 2025 LATEST EPISODE
    • weekly NEW EPISODES
    • 38m AVG DURATION
    • 331 EPISODES

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    The C4SO Podcast is a truly invaluable resource for church leaders and individuals seeking thoughtful and relevant conversations on issues faced in the church community. Hosted by Ben Sternke and Todd Hunter, this podcast consistently features guests who are not only knowledgeable but also skilled in articulating their perspectives in a winsome and clear manner. The intentionality behind the selection of guests is evident in the thought-provoking discussions that take place, providing listeners with rich insights into topics such as the mission of the church, engagement with the neighborhood, and exploring values.

    One of the best aspects of The C4SO Podcast is its ability to seek out guests who can speak directly to the everyday challenges faced by church leaders. This ensures that the conversations are practical and applicable, offering valuable advice and guidance for those working within a church setting. The hosts do an excellent job of facilitating these discussions, creating an open and inviting space where authentic and candid dialogue can take place. This allows listeners to gain a deeper understanding of various perspectives while also challenging their own thinking.

    Furthermore, I appreciate how this podcast delves into important topics such as the mission of the church and its engagement with surrounding neighborhoods. These discussions not only provide valuable insights into building strong communities but also highlight the importance of actively living out one's faith beyond the walls of a church building. The exploration of values within these conversations is particularly commendable, as it encourages listeners to reflect on their own beliefs and how they align with their actions.

    While it is difficult to find any significant drawbacks to The C4SO Podcast, one potential criticism could be that some episodes may cater more towards those within specific denominational or theological contexts. However, this can also be seen as a strength for those who identify with or are interested in these particular traditions.

    In conclusion, The C4SO Podcast stands out as an exceptional resource for individuals seeking engaging discussions on issues faced by church leaders. Ben Sternke and Todd Hunter do an excellent job of facilitating conversations that are both thought-provoking and practical. The intentional selection of guests ensures that the discussions are relevant and applicable, while also broadening listeners' perspectives. This podcast is a true blessing for anyone seeking sustenance and guidance within their faith journey.



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    Latest episodes from The C4SO Podcast

    Duane Grobman on Change

    Play Episode Listen Later May 27, 2025 37:48


    On the heels of his recent episode, A Theology of Change, Bishop Todd and longtime spiritual director, coach and friend Duane Grobman explore the complexities of leadership transitions—especially the difference between change and transition. Their conversation feels extra timely as C4SO prepares for the pivotal leadership transition from Bishop Todd to Bishop-Elect Jeff Bailey. Duane [...]

    A Theology of Change

    Play Episode Listen Later May 13, 2025 26:02


    In this conversation, Bishop Todd reflects on his personal journey leading toward retirement, as well as C4SO's collective experience as we prepare for new leadership (Welcome to Bishop-Elect Jeff Bailey!). Bishop Todd addresses the emotional and psychological processes involved in navigating change, the importance of servant leadership, and a biblical perspective on transitions. View episode [...]

    C4SO’s Values (Pt. 4) With Sarah Smith

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 29, 2025 42:23


    C4SO’s Values (Pt. 3): Formation & Sacrament

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2025 31:12


    Bishop Todd continues our four-part series on C4SO's founding values (Kingdom, Spirit, Formation, Mission and Sacrament). In this episode, he focuses on spiritual formation and sacrament, emphasizing the importance of spiritual transformation as a process that aligns individuals with the teachings of Jesus. In addition, he shares the key role of the liturgy in Anglican [...]

    C4SO’s Values (Pt. 3): Formation & Sacrament

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2025 31:12


    Bishop Todd continues our four-part series on C4SO's founding values (Kingdom, Spirit, Formation, Mission and Sacrament). In this episode, he focuses on spiritual formation and sacrament, emphasizing the importance of spiritual transformation as a process that aligns individuals with the teachings of Jesus. In addition, he shares the key role of the liturgy in Anglican [...]

    C4SO’s Values (Pt. 2) With Patrick Wildman

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2025 41:30


    Continuing our four-part series on C4SO's founding values (Kingdom, Spirit, Formation, Mission and Sacrament), longtime friends Bishop Todd and the Rev. Patrick Wildman, Rector of one of C4SO's first churches, explore Kingdom, Mission and Spirit. The two leaders discuss their personal journeys of discovering and living out these values, the influence of Dallas Willard on [...]

    C4SO’s Values (Pt. 2) With Patrick Wildman

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2025 41:30


    Continuing our four-part series on C4SO's founding values (Kingdom, Spirit, Formation, Mission and Sacrament), longtime friends Bishop Todd and the Rev. Patrick Wildman, Rector of one of C4SO's first churches, explore Kingdom, Mission and Spirit. The two leaders discuss their personal journeys of discovering and living out these values, the influence of Dallas Willard on [...]

    C4SO’s Values (Pt. 1): Kingdom, Spirit & Mission

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2025 26:37


    In the first of four episodes unpacking C4SO's values (Kingdom, Spirit, Formation, Mission, Sacrament), Bishop Todd explores the Kingdom of God, the role of the Holy Spirit, and the Church's mission in the world. He emphasizes that the Kingdom is not something we build but something we enter and receive, and that the Holy Spirit [...]

    C4SO’s Values (Pt. 1): Kingdom, Spirit & Mission

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 18, 2025 26:37


    In the first of four episodes unpacking C4SO's values (Kingdom, Spirit, Formation, Mission, Sacrament), Bishop Todd explores the Kingdom of God, the role of the Holy Spirit, and the Church's mission in the world. He emphasizes that the Kingdom is not something we build but something we enter and receive, and that the Holy Spirit [...]

    TJ Johnston on Life in the Kingdom

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2025 30:05


    Picking up where he left off on his Accidental Anglican episode, Bishop Todd sits down with longtime friend and former C4SO Assisting Bishop TJ Johnson to discuss their journey together through C4SO's early days. Bishop TJ, who is now the CEO of the Global Water Center, shares his life story and experiential knowledge of kingdom principles, missional [...]

    TJ Johnston on Life in the Kingdom

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 4, 2025 30:05


    Picking up where he left off on his Accidental Anglican episode, Bishop Todd sits down with longtime friend and former C4SO Assisting Bishop TJ Johnson to discuss their journey together through C4SO's early days. Bishop TJ, who is now the CEO of the Global Water Center, shares his life story and experiential knowledge of kingdom principles, missional [...]

    The Accidental Anglican

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 18, 2025 26:55


    Bishop Todd shares his journey from a culturally Christian upbringing to becoming an Anglican Bishop. He reflects on the influences that shaped his faith—including the Jesus Movement and key figures in Anglicanism—while advocating for a deep, formative engagement with Anglican practices. What You'll Learn in This Episode: • Intentionality in worship is crucial for spiritual transformation. • The missional heart [...]

    The Accidental Anglican

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 18, 2025 26:55


    Bishop Todd shares his journey from a culturally Christian upbringing to becoming an Anglican Bishop. He reflects on the influences that shaped his faith—including the Jesus Movement and key figures in Anglicanism—while advocating for a deep, formative engagement with Anglican practices. What You'll Learn in This Episode: • Intentionality in worship is crucial for spiritual transformation. • The missional heart [...]

    Sheila Wise Rowe on Trauma, Peace and Healing

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 4, 2025 29:23


    In this follow-up to recent episode "The Path to Deep Peace," Bishop Todd and Sheila Wise Rowe, MEd, co-author of Healing Leadership Trauma: Finding Emotional Health and Helping Others Flourish, explore the themes of trauma, peace and healing leadership. They discuss the impact of personal and systemic trauma on individuals and communities, the importance of [...]

    Sheila Wise Rowe on Trauma, Peace and Healing

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 4, 2025 29:23


    In this follow-up to recent episode "The Path to Deep Peace," Bishop Todd and Sheila Wise Rowe, MEd, co-author of Healing Leadership Trauma: Finding Emotional Health and Helping Others Flourish, explore the themes of trauma, peace and healing leadership. They discuss the impact of personal and systemic trauma on individuals and communities, the importance of [...]

    The Path to Deep Peace

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 21, 2025 25:39


    Welcome to the first episode of Bishop Todd's farewell season, affectionately called "Peace Out!" To get us started, Bishop Todd explores the biblical vision and meaning of peace—a virtue he has sought to cultivate in his own life and explored at length in his 2021 book, Deep Peace. Drawing from Psalm 23, the teachings of [...]

    The Path to Deep Peace

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 21, 2025 25:39


    Welcome to the first episode of Bishop Todd's farewell season, affectionately called "Peace Out!" To get us started, Bishop Todd explores the biblical vision and meaning of peace—a virtue he has sought to cultivate in his own life and explored at length in his 2021 book, Deep Peace. Drawing from Psalm 23, the teachings of [...]

    Sarah Shin and Shin Maeng on Advent

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2024 25:45


    This special holiday episode of the C4SO Podcast is hosted by the Rev. Vania Gomez of C4SO's Racial Diversity and Justice Team. Vania interviews Sarah Shin and Shin Maeng about their new children's book, The Deliverer Has Come: A Christmas Story, a racially inclusive Advent resource that situates the nativity story within the narrative arc of [...]

    Sarah Shin and Shin Maeng on Advent

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 3, 2024 25:45


    This special holiday episode of the C4SO Podcast is hosted by the Rev. Vania Gomez of C4SO's Racial Diversity and Justice Team. Vania interviews Sarah Shin and Shin Maeng about their new children's book, The Deliverer Has Come: A Christmas Story, a racially inclusive Advent resource that situates the nativity story within the narrative arc of [...]

    Thank You, Mickey!

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 26, 2024 22:03


    In our last episode of 2024, Bishop Todd and Mickey reflect on their two-year run as co-hosts of the C4SO Podcast. We are so grateful for Mickey's presence, especially for the warmth, energy, winsomeness, insight, perspective and just plain fun she brings to the podcast. In 2025, we will say farewell to Mickey as Bishop [...]

    Thank You, Mickey!

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 26, 2024 22:03


    In our last episode of 2024, Bishop Todd and Mickey reflect on their two-year run as co-hosts of the C4SO Podcast. We are so grateful for Mickey's presence, especially for the warmth, energy, winsomeness, insight, perspective and just plain fun she brings to the podcast. In 2025, we will say farewell to Mickey as Bishop [...]

    Ger Jones on Practical Ministry

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2024 40:11


    In the final episode of our Practical Ministry series, the Very Rev. Ger Jones of Vintage Church L.A. joins Bishop Todd and Mickey to discuss the challenges of evangelism in a post-Christendom world, where many people view Christianity as harmful and are hesitant to engage in spiritual conversations. Ger emphasizes the importance of showing Jesus' [...]

    Ger Jones on Practical Ministry

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 12, 2024 40:11


    In the final episode of our Practical Ministry series, the Very Rev. Ger Jones of Vintage Church L.A. joins Bishop Todd and Mickey to discuss the challenges of evangelism in a post-Christendom world, where many people view Christianity as harmful and are hesitant to engage in spiritual conversations. Ger emphasizes the importance of showing Jesus' [...]

    Cher Hains & Addie Norman on Practical Ministry

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2024 42:23


    In the second installment of our "Practical Ministry" series, Bishop Todd welcomes two staff members from Trinity Atlanta, Cher Hains and Addie Norman, to discuss the challenges of recruiting and nurturing volunteers. The conversation emphasizes the importance of creating a culture of service that is inviting and supportive, rather than transactional. Cher and Addie also [...]

    Cher Hains & Addie Norman on Practical Ministry

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 5, 2024 42:23


    In the second installment of our "Practical Ministry" series, Bishop Todd welcomes two staff members from Trinity Atlanta, Cher Hains and Addie Norman, to discuss the challenges of recruiting and nurturing volunteers. The conversation emphasizes the importance of creating a culture of service that is inviting and supportive, rather than transactional. Cher and Addie also [...]

    Kim Polk on Practical Ministry

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2024 39:09


    Our new series “Practical Ministry” explores how to handle the day-to-day challenges of local church ministry. First up is Kim Polk, Executive Director of Christ Church in Austin, Texas, discussing what it means to manage church staff effectively, fruitfully and ethically. Kim shares the significance of vision and values in leadership, effective communication strategies, and [...]

    Kim Polk on Practical Ministry

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 29, 2024 39:09


    Our new series “Practical Ministry” explores how to handle the day-to-day challenges of local church ministry. First up is Kim Polk, Executive Director of Christ Church in Austin, Texas, discussing what it means to manage church staff effectively, fruitfully and ethically. Kim shares the significance of vision and values in leadership, effective communication strategies, and [...]

    Esau McCaulley on All Saints Naperville

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2024 17:01


    In this bonus episode of the C4SO Podcast, Bishop Todd asks longtime friend and Canon Theologian Esau McCaulley about his latest efforts in planting a multiethnic Anglican church in Naperville, IL, a suburb of Chicago. All Saints Naperville strives to be a biblically faithful, sacramental, multiethnic community serving Christ and his kingdom through sharing the [...]

    Esau McCaulley on All Saints Naperville

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 14, 2024 17:01


    In this bonus episode of the C4SO Podcast, Bishop Todd asks longtime friend and Canon Theologian Esau McCaulley about his latest efforts in planting a multiethnic Anglican church in Naperville, IL, a suburb of Chicago. All Saints Naperville strives to be a biblically faithful, sacramental, multiethnic community serving Christ and his kingdom through sharing the [...]

    David & Phaedra Taylor on Prayers for the Pilgrimage

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2024 40:13


    In this special bonus episode, Bishop Todd and Mickey interview David and Phaedra Taylor about their latest book Prayers for the Pilgrimage. The Taylors discuss the inspiration behind the book, their creative process, and the significance of collect prayers in their spiritual lives. The conversation also explores the integration of word and image in worship, [...]

    David & Phaedra Taylor on Prayers for the Pilgrimage

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 1, 2024 40:13


    In this special bonus episode, Bishop Todd and Mickey interview David and Phaedra Taylor about their latest book Prayers for the Pilgrimage. The Taylors discuss the inspiration behind the book, their creative process, and the significance of collect prayers in their spiritual lives. The conversation also explores the integration of word and image in worship, [...]

    Call-In Show on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 20, 2024 30:24


    To wrap up our series on "Navigating Conflict," we decided to try something new: an episode modeled after an old-timey, call-in radio show. Bishop Todd and Mickey answer listener-submitted questions regarding conflict in a vestry, a personal relationship, a parish during a political cycle and more. The conversation references the great guests we had the [...]

    Call-In Show on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 20, 2024 30:24


    To wrap up our series on "Navigating Conflict," we decided to try something new: an episode modeled after an old-timey, call-in radio show. Bishop Todd and Mickey answer listener-submitted questions regarding conflict in a vestry, a personal relationship, a parish during a political cycle and more. The conversation references the great guests we had the [...]

    John Haralson & Drew Billups on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 13, 2024 40:08


    Continuing our "Navigating Conflict" series, Bishop Todd and Mickey have a very practical conversation with the Rev. John Haralson and Drew Billups of Grace Seattle, who recently brought their church out of the PCA into C4SO. John and Drew emphasize the importance of creating a culture that can handle change and maintaining unity throughout the [...]

    John Haralson & Drew Billups on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 13, 2024 40:08


    Continuing our "Navigating Conflict" series, Bishop Todd and Mickey have a very practical conversation with the Rev. John Haralson and Drew Billups of Grace Seattle, who recently brought their church out of the PCA into C4SO. John and Drew emphasize the importance of creating a culture that can handle change and maintaining unity throughout the [...]

    Kathy Khang & Matt Mikalatos on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 6, 2024 54:50


    Bishop Todd and Mickey welcome two award-winning authors—Kathy Khang and Matt Mikalatos—to the second episode in our "Navigating Conflict" series. In their recent book Loving Disagreement, Kathy and Matt bring unique insight into how the fruit of the Spirit informs our ability to engage in profound difference and conflict with love. As followers of Jesus [...]

    Kathy Khang & Matt Mikalatos on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 6, 2024 54:50


    Bishop Todd and Mickey welcome two award-winning authors—Kathy Khang and Matt Mikalatos—to the second episode in our "Navigating Conflict" series. In their recent book Loving Disagreement, Kathy and Matt bring unique insight into how the fruit of the Spirit informs our ability to engage in profound difference and conflict with love. As followers of Jesus [...]

    Jin Cho on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 30, 2024 51:16


    The C4SO Podcast is back with a brand-new series—"Navigating Conflict." Bishop Todd and Mickey welcome the Rev. Dr. Jin Cho, C4SO's Canon for Racial Diversity and Justice, to discuss the importance of having difficult but redemptive conversations about race within the Church, as well as the challenges that arise from avoiding these conversations. The episode [...]

    Jin Cho on Navigating Conflict

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 30, 2024 51:16


    The C4SO Podcast is back with a brand-new series—"Navigating Conflict." Bishop Todd and Mickey welcome the Rev. Dr. Jin Cho, C4SO's Canon for Racial Diversity and Justice, to discuss the importance of having difficult but redemptive conversations about race within the Church, as well as the challenges that arise from avoiding these conversations. The episode [...]

    Jon Odom on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2024 42:14


    In the final episode of our Pentecost series, Bishop Todd welcomes Jon Odom, C4SO's Regional Dean of the Midwest, to discuss the Person and work of the Holy Spirit. Jon shares how his early Pentecostal roots led him to Anglicanism; offers practical advice on staying open to the Spirit's leading in our daily lives; and [...]

    Jon Odom on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later May 21, 2024 42:14


    In the final episode of our Pentecost series, Bishop Todd welcomes Jon Odom, C4SO's Regional Dean of the Midwest, to discuss the Person and work of the Holy Spirit. Jon shares how his early Pentecostal roots led him to Anglicanism; offers practical advice on staying open to the Spirit's leading in our daily lives; and [...]

    Bishop Steve Wood on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2024 46:08


    What happens when two Bishops meet in a podcast studio? A great conversation! Bishop Todd welcomes his good friend Bishop Steve Wood of the Anglican Diocese of the Carolinas for the third installment in our Pentecost series. Biblical and theological applications abound within this practical discussion of the Holy Spirit, specifically what it means for [...]

    Bishop Steve Wood on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later May 14, 2024 46:08


    What happens when two Bishops meet in a podcast studio? A great conversation! Bishop Todd welcomes his good friend Bishop Steve Wood of the Anglican Diocese of the Carolinas for the third installment in our Pentecost series. Biblical and theological applications abound within this practical discussion of the Holy Spirit, specifically what it means for [...]

    Cherith Fee Nordling on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2024 56:44


    Bishop Todd and Mickey continue our Pentecost series by examining all things Holy Spirit with theologian Dr. Cherith Fee Nordling. Daughter of the notable pneumatological theologian Gordon Fee, Cherith reflects on her father's life and how he leaned into order, intelligibility and knowledge as a gift of love for the people of God. She traces [...]

    Cherith Fee Nordling on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later May 7, 2024 56:44


    Bishop Todd and Mickey continue our Pentecost series by examining all things Holy Spirit with theologian Dr. Cherith Fee Nordling. Daughter of the notable pneumatological theologian Gordon Fee, Cherith reflects on her father's life and how he leaned into order, intelligibility and knowledge as a gift of love for the people of God. She traces [...]

    Kris McDaniel on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2024 43:52


    Bishop Todd kicks off a new series on the upcoming season of Pentecost with C4SO Rector and former Vineyard pastor Kris McDaniel. Kris draws from his DMin research on the Spirit's animating power, along with his blend of charismatic roots and historic Anglican values, to explore how the work of the Spirit is increasingly vital [...]

    Kris McDaniel on Pentecost

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 30, 2024 43:52


    Bishop Todd kicks off a new series on the upcoming season of Pentecost with C4SO Rector and former Vineyard pastor Kris McDaniel. Kris draws from his DMin research on the Spirit's animating power, along with his blend of charismatic roots and historic Anglican values, to explore how the work of the Spirit is increasingly vital [...]

    Ted Harro on Ordinary Time

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2024 49:43


    Bishop Todd and Mickey wrap up our series on Ordinary Time with new friend and President of Renovaré Ted Harro. Ted challenges us toward a more expansive view of whole-life discipleship, both as individuals and as a community. The conversation also highlights the contributions of Dallas Willard and Richard Foster, offering resources for anyone drawn [...]

    Ted Harro on Ordinary Time

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 13, 2024 49:43


    Bishop Todd and Mickey wrap up our series on Ordinary Time with new friend and President of Renovaré Ted Harro. Ted challenges us toward a more expansive view of whole-life discipleship, both as individuals and as a community. The conversation also highlights the contributions of Dallas Willard and Richard Foster, offering resources for anyone drawn [...]

    Winn Collier on Ordinary Time

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 7, 2024 41:43


    As we continue our series on the liturgical season of Ordinary Time, Bishop Todd and Mickey welcome author and priest Winn Collier. This conversation is rich with applicable spiritual takeaways as they discuss how the way of America is not necessarily the way of the Kingdom of God. Winn also shares wisdom and reflections from [...]

    Winn Collier on Ordinary Time

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 7, 2024 41:43


    As we continue our series on the liturgical season of Ordinary Time, Bishop Todd and Mickey welcome author and priest Winn Collier. This conversation is rich with applicable spiritual takeaways as they discuss how the way of America is not necessarily the way of the Kingdom of God. Winn also shares wisdom and reflections from [...]

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