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After a brief chat about weird coincidences devolves into a bittersweet nostalgia trip, we talk about just how entrenched flying disks have been in our psyches predating ufology. And that stream of consciousness dumps us into a much larger ocean of super natural discussion.

Tonight, we're talking evidence. What are the rules of evidence for paranormal events? And where is it?

Dr. Tyler Kokjohn joins The Jeff & The Jer to talk about memory, the brain, altered states, and "alien" telepathy.

We kick off this dynamic conversation with a question never asked: Is there a difference between shared high strangeness experiences and solo? From there, it gets wild! (originally aired: 2015) Spread the love. Share this podcast. Spread the wealth. Donate to www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

The Jeff & The Jer do a deep dive on peripheral phenomena and meaning in paranormal experiences. And that's just the beginning. Wait 'til we get the the Shroudman stuff. This is an honest and open conversation between experiencers that does not exist anywhere else. (originally aired: 2015) _________________ Help support Jeremy Vaeni with your hard-earned bucks. Please. He's going broke with house repairs. Help him repair here: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay --Thanks!

The boys are back! Well, sorta. The Jeff and The Jer briefly reunited to bring us Paratopia Oculus. What is Paratopia Oculus, you ask? Good question. It shall be answered right up front in this inaugural episode. Then, we catch up on their lives and their take on where ufology has been going since they broke up the band. (originally aired in 2015.)

It's Jeremy Vaeni. It's Jeff Ritzmann. It's paranormal researcher Nick Redfern. It's famed filmmaker Philippe Mora. It's the legendary roundtable discussion you never heard about searching the National Archives with two gents who have done it to great effect for different purposes ranging from MJ-12 to Hitler.

Paratopia Talk Story was an incredibly short-lived and glitchy Youtube video talk show. On this inaugural episode, The Jeff & The Jer welcome experiencer Deb Kauble to talk about how the paranormal has evolved in her life since the days of her possible "alien pregnancy." Are pregnancies themselves gateways to the paranormal? We shall find out!

The Jer channels his inner Mel Blanc to bring you a very special interpretation of the Citizen's Hearing on Disclosure, in this, the first-ever Paratopia radio play. (originally aired: 05.03.2013)

This is a crossover special between The Black Fridays podcast and Paratopia hosted by Jeremy Vaeni, Wes Owsley, and Stacy Lowery. Together, they interview NARCAP's Ted Roe and Dr. Richard Haines who were saying "UAP" long before it was cool. This is a discussion about their Project Sphere report on spherical UAP. But first, The Jer has a little something to say on The Trickster. (originally aired in 2010. Maybe have been a subscriber special.) You can still read the report here: https://www.narcap.org/project-sphere

This is the unreleased, never-before-heard midweek special that breaks down Jeff's reasons for the falling out between Paracast host and once good friend, Dave Biedny, and Jeff Ritzmann. We decided not to release it back in 2010 for a few reasons that are irrelevant now. Jeff and Dave have both passed away. Dave told his side on another show back then. This is not meant to stir up old controversy or bad feelings. I have none toward Dave, may he rest in peace. This is for the Paratopia completist who was confused as to why we couldn't all just get along, and it's one more chance to hear from Jeff. Unfortunately, not on the topics of the paranormal. 

The Jer talks to Emma Woods about a recent odd experience involving abduction-related and hallucinatory phenomena. Together, they discuss whether one's state of consciousness during an abduction differs if it's physical or nonphysical. If so, do phenomena surrounding an experience differ? All of this is couched in Oliver Sacks' book, Hallucinations. Then, The Jer gets into his meditative experience from just last night and discusses some new twists on Trickster and the abduction scenario. (originally aired: 03.01.2013)

The Jeff & The Jer run down a brief list of things gone wrong in ufology since Paratopia left the internets. Then, The Jeff looks back on his recent dive back into UFO photo analysis and the public response to it. Next, The Jer tosses out a new hypothesis about the meaning behind the devastating and frightening images and experiences in abductions. Finally, the hosts update us on the strangeness in their lives (Are dream weavers the new puckwudgie?), give a Project Core update, and The Jeff talks about his new radio show, Paranormal Waypoint. Oh, and then something about the unknown and the unconscious. Yep, from bolts to nuts on, this one's got it all! (originally aired: 12.10.2012)

In this part 1 of 2 epilogues to the greatest paranormal podcast in the history of several earths, The Jer is lost at sea without The Jeff. However, he is kept company by some friends with very peculiar night lives. (originally aired: 11.01.2012)

Jeff & Jer run from their past straight into the future with this, the final installment of the weekly podcast. But before they go, they leave you with a high strangeness theory that incorporates some of the concepts Jeff, Jer, and Tiokasin have brought to you over the last few weeks and through the years. This one could turn ufological, paranormal, and psychic research on their ears if researchers had the guts to listen. (originally aired: 06.14.2012)

This was a subscriber-only sequel to episode 114 back in the day. The day has changed. Let's all listen in now as The Jeff and The Jer takes your short questions and turn them into longwinded answers! (originally aired 05.04.2011. May the 4th be with us again!)

In this, the season finale, Tom Cheetham and Jeremy Vaeni have a very informal chitchat that brings us to the answer to a great and important question on everyone's mind: Can staring at a flea penis under a microscope cause paranormal experiences? Also, they announce that they will be taking their conversations to a new livestream format on Youtube, March 21st at 4pm EST! (The show is called Wise Ask. Feel free to comment and ask us anything in the Youtube chat!)

On this the final Paratopia Live, Jeff and Jer say goodbye and thanks to their audience and tell their latest high strangeness experiences. Features special call-in guests, including Deb Kauble! Want to say Thank You back? Please consider tossing a couple of bucks to The Jer at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay.

Jeff's final solo episode of Paratopia covers where we've been over the long journey of the program--which includes a special mystery guest to talk of the future. But Jeff also delivers a critical message about where communication regarding the '"alien" encounter goes in moving forward, how it cannot be stopped, why we have to take the mighty leap of faith, and speak of it as it truly is, and not be coerced by the machinations of the past or present day ufology. No-man's land never stays that way for long. We must all lay claim to the middle ground. (originally aired: 06.07.2012)

Tom Cheetham can't get Jeremy Vaeni's voice out of his head, an inner critic, telling him that what he's teaching about Henry Corbin and company is irrelevant because the spiritual trump card is the only card to play--and that is letting go of everything. Is his inner Vaeni right? What does outer Jeremy Vaeni have to say about it? Thus begins this week's continuing conversation.

Episode 103 ran long and The Jeff & The Jer had yet more to say. This is that more. Jer in 2025 says, "I'm finishing up a book on Kundalini due later this year and then writing one more 'alien abduction' book. What you're about to listen to will play a heavy role in that book. Watch out for it in 2026!" (originally released to subscribers in February 2011)

Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live! Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

The Jer says his goodbyes on this, the beginning of the countdown to the end of Paratopia, and has one fantastic all-encompassing interview with Tim Binnall about everything from ufology to Bigfoot to remote viewing to what drives the 2 main types of conspiracy theorists. But not before he exposes Croatian gazer Braco in the greatest story never told! (originally aired: 05.31.2012)

If I told you that this episode is about what becomes of people in general, and academics specifically, when they get absorbed in ufology and the paranormal, I wouldn't be lying. If I told you it is about the laws of physics actually being as flimsy as a deck of card, I'd still be telling the truth. And if I told you it's about whether or not to stop studying spiritual heirarchy because it isn't Truth? Still a fact. But more than any of that, this episode is just two guys talking.

Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live! Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

Mothman has nothing on what Jeff Ritzmann reveals in the first half of the show. In the second half, Jer and Tiokasin discuss how it's possible that coming from the heart might help us understand hauntings and related phenomena. (originally aired: 05.28.2012)

While Tom Cheetham digs himself out of his house after a snowstorm, Jeremy Vaeni flies solo, answering listener questions, lighting up the proper setting for awakening, showing why precise language matters when talking about death of self, and exposing the link between sorrow and desire.  Put on your active listening ears for this one and your might just stop you in your tracks for a real miracle to take your place!

Two hours of Tiokasin Ghosthorse and Jeremy Vaeni in unfiltered, unedited, live conversation. Are you ready for this? Tiokasin Ghosthorse—a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota—is, amongst many actions, the host and producer of First Voices Radio and an international speaker on peace.  

Part 2 of the David Schwab interview about his life of high strangeness. If you thought Part 1 was amazing, you ain't heard nothin' yet. But first, The Jer has some new stories and insights to share with Paratopia. Many, in fact. (originally aired: 05.17.2012)

What is the transition from waking into heart and living back in brain-focused society? How does Jeremy know he's right, as opposed to the people he critiques? Why do religious mystics stick with their religion when they know better? Does the personal self exist in the "godself" experience?   This conversation between Tom Cheetham and Jeremy Vaeni gets into these topics and more. It's a lot, folks. It's a lot. You've been warned.

Why does extreme fear occur during abduction events? We'll get in to that about halfway through the episode. What else is this livestream from yesteryear about? A lot. Give a listen. _________________ Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live! Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

Experiencer David Schwab goes down the list of truly odd, extremely interesting, occurrences in his life. This interview is so extensive that it's broken into 2 parts. There are a lot of well-articulated high strangeness experiences here to sink your mind into. If we put it all into one show your brain might snap. So get ready for part 1 of 2! (originally aired: 05.10.2012) Help support Our Undoing Radio. Donate today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

We begin with a question from Tom Cheetham: What does Jeremy think nature cultures at large have gotten right? Then, we move to Jeremy's question for listeners who are confused by what he means when he says there is nothing they can do to promote the death of self and to just sit with it. Poor Tom gets clobbered over the head with Jeremy venting his annoyance at the audience, even though he knows such confusion is inevitable. This sounds worse than it was, because for some reason Jeremy's audio is hot again this week. 

Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live! Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

“Piglet Shameful” was an active member of the Paratopia message boards and has been a guest on the show as well. When last we heard from her, she had called into the live show with an extraordinary encounter. Then she fell silent. Where she went and why she's back now is due to a startling discovery she made and is willing to share with us. As you will hear, she is bravery defined.

This week's episode is like getting two shows in one. First, we take that hard right turn promised in last week's dialogue between Tom Cheetham and Jeremy Vaeni into... drones. Oh, yeah. Remember when those were a big mystery last month? What happened? And can we tie this nonsense to Carl Jung somehow? We shall see. Then, Jeremy flies solo, trying to be as precise as he can be in answering a listener's valid skepticism about him and his truth claims.

If we don't know what we are then can self-actualized beings actually speak with us at all? Or would it be like speaking to severely mentally ill people who believe they are sane? Here we go! Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live!   Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

Tiokasin Ghosthorse joins Paratopia. We mean JOINS Paratopia. The next learning curve for all of us begins here. ''Let's de-colonize the aliens'' is a phrase Tiokasin used. This conversation is bookended with one of Jeff's ''alien'' experiences and Jer's exploration of the Hawaiian perspective on the ''supernatural,'' both of which speak to the need to not only look at mysterious phenomena differently, but also to change the nature of the one who looks. (originally aired: 04.26.2012)

Why did Carl Jung choose everythingness over nothingness? Was he wrong to do it? In a conversation so hot even Jeremy's audio is... well... hot. Sorry about that--Jeremy Vaeni and Tom Cheetham use a key paragraph from Carl Jung's autobiography as the jumping off point to question whether Jung misunderstood emptiness and if that misunderstanding kept him from the ultimate realization he was seeking. And that's only the beginning! Want more Tom Cheetham? Visit: https://tomcheetham.substack.com/ Want more Jeremy Vaeni? Visit: https://www.ourundoing.com/

Steve, aka ''MandoSteve'' on the message board, joins us to talk about his bizarre encounter in the Appalachian Mountains that is a scene straight out of The Twilight Zone. We won't spoil it for you with more detail than that. This is a riveting story guaranteed to creep you out.  Then Jeff shares his adventures in Buddhist meditation. It's not creepy; however, it's almost equally strange. But first, we make the most half-assed announcement about a mysterious new direction for the show you could hope for! (originally aired: 04.19.2012) Want to say thanks for the shows? Donate at https://www.ko-fi.com/jayvay to keep this project going! 

Wrapping up the 3-parter on Tom Cheetham's latest Iboga journey, we learn what he's been doing with it. Did it cause ontological shock? Does he even believe he encountered a real entity? Let's find out! When you're done here, visit Tom on the net: https://tomcheetham.substack.com/ And please do consider helping keep this little project going by donating to Jeremy here: https://www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

This episode we talk about superfluous UFO and ghost hunting shows, UFO hoaxes, the Discovery Channel asking Jeremy to audition for a new UFO show, and waaaaay more. Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live! Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

The man known as Hermitage on the Paratopia message board joins The Jeff & The Jer for another classic listener episode that raises some interesting new questions about how this strange intelligence interacts with experiencers who keep it on the periphery of their lives. We go down a written chronology of his family's and his experiences Joe-Gooch style, beginning with Hermitage's very first encounter as a child with... a toilet elf. (originally aired: 04.12.2012)

Here it is, folks. We've finally arrived at Tom Cheetham's big ol' life-changing Iboga experience. This one's juicy. Or meaty. Depending on your taste. Let's hear it. Let's begin to dissect it. And then let's save some for part 3!   And, hey! While we're doing things together, let's join Tom on his substack: https://tomcheetham.substack.com/ And then help Jeremy pay his bills: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay So much to do, so much to do!

Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live!   Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com/jayvay

With no guest scheduled for this week, The Jeff & The Jer take a look to see who's on Skype and ambush them. Turns out the lucky victims are Roejen & Lobo of Project Archivist, who kindly put their own show on hold to do Paratopia! Topics range from the zombie apocalypse to the Makers Movement to secret technology to hand guns to 2012 prophesy to... man, where doesn't this one go? Well, mostly it doesn't go into the paranormal and ufology. Mostly. But it is arguably our most entertaining episode. Australia footage discussed is found here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T2f4fEvKEM (originally aired: 03.29.2012)

Tom Cheetham has gone back to South America for more psychedelia and we will hear all about it... next episode. In this episode, we will set it up with a recap of all that has come before. If you've heard all that already, you may be tempted to skip this one. You could and be fine tuning in next week, but I urge you to give it a whirl as Tom reveal more, I believe vital, details to his previous experiences that we explore a bit. Done here? Sign up for Tom's substack. It's great stuff! https://tomcheetham.substack.com/

Because the Paratopia podcast just wasn't enough, Paratopia Live was born. Here Jeff Ritzmann, Jeremy Vaeni, and the official unofficial third host, Lee Townsend, talk about their high strangeness experiences and take calls live!   Help keep Our Undoing Radio going. Donate whatever small amount you can today at: www.ko-fi.com.jayvay

Nancy Birnes comes out swinging against the latest shady David Jacobs hypnosis tapes. Then she fields some tough questions from The Jer. Finally, she... takes over the show? Yes, that's right, Nancy Birnes confiscates the show and interviews The Jeff about his life as an experiencer. This is one heck of an interesting episode and it is an extended one. Our longest show yet, clocking in at just over 3 hours! (originally aired: 03.29.2012)

Picking up exactly where they left off last episode, Tom Cheetham and Jeremy Vaeni dive into: What would a utopia of enlightened people look like? What's important about contemplating time? Is there a role for the personal in experiencing Nothing being everything? What's the difference between a person and an archetype? The marriage of the cosmic and the intimate. Explaining dual aspect monism. Why do we refine false paths of enlightenment given that they are false? No one cares about your dream.

Ted Roe from NARCAP drops in on this week's Paratopia Live from long ago!