Podcasts about Epstein

Ghislaine Maxwell and her team contended that the only reason she moved was to avoid the press during the last year while she was on the lam. In this episode, we take a look at the transient life she was leading before her arrest.(Commercial at 9:01)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://nypost.com/2020/07/12/ghislaine-maxwell-moved-at-least-36-times-during-her-year-in-hiding/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Every time we turn around at this point, someone else has a tale to tell about Prince Andrew and his degenerate behavior. From palace maids to ex security guards, we have heard tales of his verbal abuse. In this episode, we once again hear from another person claiming that Andrew, is in fact, a nonce.(commercial at 7:24)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268467/Prince-Andrew-launched-torrent-foul-language-Queens-press-secretary-new-book-claims.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Deutsche Bank is a name well known to those of us who follow the Epstein case and once again this money laundering hot spot is popping up in the news. A judge in the United States has given the go ahead for a class action lawsuit against the bank that see's investors looking to recoup losses that they incurred while invested in the bank due to the banks refusal to stop doing business with some of the biggest dirt bags in the world.(commercial at 7:53)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.businessinsider.com/deutsche-bank-us-shareholders-lawsuit-over-russian-oligarchs-jeffrey-epstein-2022-6This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Geraldo Rivera threw a fit over Maxwell being denied bail even going so far as to say the judge bent to the 'mob.'Look back at his argument, it is as absurd today as it was then.(Commercial at 11:03)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://www.foxnews.com/media/geraldo-rivera-ghislaine-maxwell-denied-bailThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Today in Part 2 we'll talk about the Church of Scientology and the Occult characters: L. Ron Hubbard, Jack Parsons, Marjorie Cameron, Babalon Working, Aleister Crowley, Kubrick and Charles Manson! We'll look at how Scientology was part of the trial and the involvement of Mars Volta lead singer Cedric Bixler-Zavala, his wife Chrissie Carnell-Bixler, their accusations about Danny and Ashton Kutcher. This leads to the murder of Ashton's girlfriend Ashley Ellerin which sets us up for Part 3 when we'll deep dive into Kutcher, THORN, CIA, surveillance, Epstein, Clinton and more.DID YOU LISTEN TO PART 1 YET? In Part 1 we setup our multi-episode discussion about talk about some very strange Hollywood types mixed in with a very strange religion. We went through the cast of That '70s Show: Danny Masterson, Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis, Wilmer Vadlerrama, Lisa Robin Kelly and Topher Grace. We covered the Danny Masterson trials, timelines, statements, Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis' supporting statements of Danny and subsequent apology tour. LISTEN TO PART 1: That '70s Show Conspiracy Pt 1: Danny Masterson Trials, Sentencing, Ashton Kutcher & Mila Kunis Statements https://illuminatiwatcher.com/that-70s-show-conspiracy-pt-1-danny-masterson-trials-sentencing-ashton-kutcher-mila-kunis-statements/Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. Go to HelloFresh.com/50ospc and use code 50ospc for 50% off plus 15% off the next 2 months! 2. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $13. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. 4. *Want to advertise/sponsor our show? Email Isaac at IlluminatiWatcher@gmail.com (*business inquiries only please- I'm a one man operation)GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* APPLE PREMIUM: If you're on the Apple Podcasts app- just click the Premium button and you're in! *NO more ads *Early Access *EVERY BONUS EPISODE* PATREON: ad free, all the bonus shows, early access AND TWO OF MY BOOKS! (The Dark Path and Kubrick's Code); you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher (*Patreon is also NOW enabled to connect with Spotify! https://rb.gy/hcq13)* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/2941405More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/3. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: f4. FREE BOOK: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/5. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt6. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism7. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes. Audio clips used in Fair Use and taken from YouTube videos.*ALL Social Media, merch and other links:https://allmylinks.com/isaacwThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3200989/advertisement

Radaronline has been engaged in a legal dispute with the FBI for years now over secret FBI files on Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The government has contended that the files must stay secret because they might have to re-try Ghislaine Maxwell and if the files are released it will give her a head start on her defense.A Judge who is hearing the case has a different perspective though and has ruled that some of the documents must be turned over. (commercial at 7:02)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:Jeffrey Epstein Files May Be Blocked for 'Possible' Ghislaine Maxwell Retrial (knewz.com)source:'FBI seeks to block release of secret Jeffrey Epstein files' | US News | Metro Newssource:FBI Can't Shield All Epstein Records From FOIA Request - Law360This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Better late than never, eh? Finally, after years of waiting for Barclays to hold Jess Staley accountable, he has resigned. In the wake of that resignation it has been revealed that the emails sent back and forth between the two showed quite the close relationship.(commercial 13:45)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/former-barclays-ceo-reportedly-exchanged-1200-emails-with-jeffrey-epstein/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

The relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner will be examined in a new Hulu documentary titled Victoria's Secret: Angels and Demons. In this episode, we take a look at what to expect.(commercial at 13:46)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/mysterious-billionaire-behind-jeffrey-epstein-095140216.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Chris Hanson hosted a show called To Catch a Predator that was based around sting operations put in place to catch predators who thought it was a good idea to go after underage boys and girls. At one point, there was a plan to go after Epstein this way. So, how come it never happened? Let's dive in and find out!to contact me:bobbycapuccI@protonmail.comsource:https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/catch-predators-chris-hansen-attempted-23292530This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

In this look back episode...On this Episode we take another look at the new book Spider by Barry Levine that offers an inside look into the lives of Epstein and Maxwell.(Commercial at 19:04)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-spent-his-final-days-whining-about-bullyingThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

The world is in the grips of a globe wide pandemic, but the wheels of justice continue to turn.Ghislaine Maxwell and her lawyers found that out the hard way when they attempted to delay proceedings in the trial for a month due to the Covid-19 pandemic.This request was flatly rejected by Preska who said that pandemic or not, the trial continues.Join me as I break it down!(Commercial at 10:05)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.courthousenews.com/pandemic-wont-slow-fight-over-sealed-jeffrey-epstein-docs/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Every time we turn around at this point, someone else has a tale to tell about Prince Andrew and his degenerate behavior. From palace maids to ex security guards, we have heard tales of his verbal abuse. In this episode, we once again hear from another person claiming that Andrew, is in fact, a nonce.(commercial at 7:24)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11268467/Prince-Andrew-launched-torrent-foul-language-Queens-press-secretary-new-book-claims.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Prince Andrew was one of the biggest jewels in Jeffrey Epstein's menagerie of upper crust scoundrels and he never missed a chance to parlay that friendship into benefits for himself. On tonight's episode, we hear once again about Epstein and Maxwell and how they rode their royal pony all the way to legitimacy.(commercial at 13:13)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10683877/Prince-Andrew-gave-Ghislaine-Maxwell-veneer-respectability-elite-social-circles.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Prince Andrew will be wearing his civilian clothes to honor his mother at the various events being held for the late queen. It was announced that only working royals would wear their military uniforms for the celebration of the queens life that started taking place today.(commercial at 8:05)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-andrew-mourning-period-queen-b2165303.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

The producer who was responsible for securing the interview with Prince Andrew is now coming under fire from her former colleagues at BBC and from sources within the palace who have taken umbrage with the fact that she wrote a book and now plans on being involved in bringing that story from the pages to the big screen. Critics speaking as unnamed sources have reached out to the telegraph to tell their story. Let's dive in!(commercial at 10:45)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/07/23/bbc-anger-ex-producer-steals-glory-emily-maitliss-prince-andrew/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Ghislaine Maxwell is fighting a war on all legal fronts and in this episode, we take a trip back down to the United States Virgin Islands to talk about the probe that has ensnared her and brought her into the crosshairs of Denise George.(commercial at 7:46)to contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-13/ghislaine-maxwell-is-also-target-of-probe-in-u-s-virgin-islandsThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

In this look back episode...According to Ian Halperin, Jeffrey Epstein was a big fan of Montreal and loved to visit the city trolling for young girls in the 70s and continued to enjoy visiting the city in years after.What connections did he make? Were other girls abused?(Commercial at 10:30)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://montrealgazette.com/opinion/columnists/brownstein-writer-digs-up-dirt-linking-jeffrey-epstein-to-montrealThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Prince Andrew is once again feeling the heat from another alleged photograph. This time, it is in the possession of a photographer who worked on the interview for BBC news night and in this episode, we hear about this alleged photograph and how it might be included with the movie.(commercial at 7:58)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11020905/Newsnight-photographer-claims-picture-Prince-Andrew-rock-Monarchy.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

In this look back episode...On this Episode we take another look at the new book Spider by Barry Levine that offers an inside look into the lives of Epstein and Maxwell.(Commercial at 19:04)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-spent-his-final-days-whining-about-bullyingThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Welcome to the Adams Archive, where we slice through the noise to bring you the unvarnished truth. In today's rollercoaster of an episode, we tackle a CIA whistleblower's shocking claim that analysts were financially incentivized to bury evidence supporting COVID's lab origin. Then, we dig into the dark cloud hovering over Russell Brand as allegations and YouTube demonetization tarnish his reputation. We also unveil the controversial denouncement of Tim Ballard by none other than the Mormon Church. And if you think that's where it stops, stick around. We dive into Mexican doctors' extraordinary findings on alleged alien corpses and explore the lingering mysteries surrounding the disappearance of Malaysia Air 370. Don't be another cog in the misinformation machine—hit subscribe and leave a five-star review to help us expose the truth that mainstream media often chooses to ignore. Head over to austinadams.substack.com for exclusive content and updates. Buckle up; it's time to challenge the status quo!   All links: https://linktr.ee/theaustinjadams Substack: https://austinadams.substack.com ----more---- Full transcription    Adams Archive. Hello, you beautiful people and welcome to the Adams Archive. My name is Austin Adams and thank you so much for listening today. On today's episode, we are going to dive deep into some wild situations. The first one being that the CIA has whistleblower come out and said that the CIA was actually paying off It's analysts to bury the findings that COVID was a lab leak, literally giving. Their own analysts, financial incentives to switch their opinions on whether or not that was the case. So we read about that, then we will discuss Russell Brand, who is in the news for some not so good things. Some reports coming out and accusations regarding some sexual assault allegations and potentially even worse, he was actually had his YouTube channel suspended or D demonetized today. So we'll discuss. That as a result. And then going a little bit deeper into that, we're going to look at the Mormon Church actually denouncing Tim Ballard. Tim Ballard being the once founder of Operation Underground Railroad. Also the person who is depicted in the movie, the Sound of Freedom, which we've talked about at length here before. So we'll look at what these allegations are, why they denounced him, and. Tim Ballard had a response to this that he did a video on this guy with his PRs is pretty, pretty wild stuff. So we'll look at that. After that, we'll look at a Texas church talking about churches Texas church, which is experimenting with AI generated services using chat GPT for worship sermon and original songs. That is one of the most dystopian things that I've ever heard. So, we'll discuss that. Now, again, as always, the longer you stay with me, the deeper we get. So, after that, we'll discuss the findings of the Mexican doctors who concluded after their tests were done on the alleged non human alien Corpses. So we have their findings on that. So if you don't know, we haven't talked about this yet here because we had a little bit of a layoff over the last couple of weeks for several reasons. But what happened was Mexico had a congressional hearing where there was two alleged alien bodies, which were shown at the congressional hearing. And they look every bit of ET that you could imagine. So what ended up happening is these Mexican doctors actually did a, some tests on these bodies and we'll see, I haven't read this yet, so we'll see what they actually found. And then, last but not least, this is a story that has been surfacing. Pretty consistently somewhat recently regarding, if you recall, Malaysia Air, I believe it was Malaysia Air 370. That was a airplane which had gotten lost, you know, we go all the way back to 2000 and, let's see. This was filmed in 2014, yeah, lost in 2014, I believe. Now there's some really big deep dives that some people did into this situation. And they came up with some pretty wild stuff. And we'll discuss it all. But first, I need you to head over to the substack Austin Adams dot substack calm, go ahead and get signed up. If there's any news, if there's any podcast companions, articles that I write, all of it is there for free, head over there right now, Austin Adams dot substack calm, then I need you to hit that subscribe button. All right, hit that subscribe button. If it's your first time here, if it is not your first time here, Or if it is, go ahead and leave a five star review. Just helps me get up in the rankings. It's really one of the only ways that you can show your appreciation for my hard work here. So go ahead, leave a five star review, hit the subscribe button, head over to austinadams. substack. com. And let's jump into it. The Adams archive. All right. The very first thing that we're going to discuss today is going to be that the CIA had a whistleblower come out and say that the CIA was paying off its own analysts to bury the findings that COVID was a lab leak from Wuhan. China. So let's read this article. It comes from the New York Post and it says, the Central Intelligence Agency offered to pay off analysts in order to bury their findings. That Covid most likely was from a lab in Wuhan China. A new whistleblower testimony to Congress alleges, and this goes on to say that a senior. Level CIA officer told house committee leaders that his agency tried to pay off six analysts who found that SARS COVID 2 likely originated in a Wuhan lab. And if they changed their position and said that this, the virus jumped from animals to humans, according to a letter sent Tuesday to CIA director, William Burns. Select committee on the coronavirus pandemic chairman, Brad one strap and. Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Chairman Mike Turner requested all the documents, communications, and pay info from the CIA's COVID Discovery Team by September 26th. So they're actually going to be doing further investigation into this, thankfully, and that will be in just about a week's time. So we'll have to see what comes up from that. According to the whistleblower, at the end of its review, six of the seven members of the team believed the intelligence and science were sufficient to make a low confidence assessment that COVID 19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The house. Panel chairman wrote. That's crazy. Six out of the seven people on this specific team believed that the virus came from a lab leak, and the CIA wanted to hush every one of them, and they tried to do so by incentivizing them, allegedly, With money. So now they're pulling all of those financial hearings. Now we actually have the document from Congress which says. Which is comes from the Honorable William J. Burns says to select to Director Burns to the Select Committee of the Coronavirus pandemic and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence together. The committees have received new and concerning whistleblower testimony regarding the agency's investigation into the origins of COVID 19. A multi decade, senior level, current agency officer has come forward to provide information to the committees regarding the agency's analysis into the origins of COVID 19. According to the whistleblower, the agency assigned seven officers to a COVID discovery team. The team consisted of multidisciplinary and experienced officers with significant scientific expertise. According to the whistleblower, at the... End of its review, six of the seven members of the team believed that the intelligence and science were severe sufficient to make a low confidence assessment that COVID 19 originated from a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The seventh member of the team who also happened to be the most senior was the lone officer to believe that COVID 19 originated through zoonosis. The whistleblower further contends that to come to the eventual public contends that to come to the eventual public determination of uncertainty, the other six members were given a sufficient or significant monetary incentive to change their position. These allegations from a seemingly credible source requires the committees to conduct further oversight of how the CIA handled its internal investigations into the origins of COVID 19. To assist the committees, and again, this is What they actually wrote to Congress with their investigations. We request the following documents and information as soon as possible, but no later than September 26, 2023, all documents and communications regarding the establishment of all iterations of the COVID discovery teams. All documents and communications between or among the members of all iterations of the COVID discovery team regarding the origins of COVID 19 and all documents and communications between or among members of all iterations of the COVID discovery team and other employees or contractors of the agency regarding the origins of COVID 19all documents and communications between them or among members of all iterations. Including but not limited to the US Department of State, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the US Department of Health and Human Services to include the National Institutes of Health and the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the US Department of Energy regarding the origins of Covid 19. And lastly, all documents and communications regarding the pay history to include the awarding of any type of financial or performance-based incentive financial bonuses to members of all iterations of the C Ovid 19 discovery team. The select subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic is authorized to investigate the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, including but not limited to the federal government's funding of gain of function research and executive branch policies, deliberations, decisions, activities, and internal or external communications related to the COVID coronavirus pandemic. Whew, that's a mouthful. Further house rule. 11 Clause 2 and 1B grants committees of the House of Representatives with the authority to require by subpoena or otherwise the attendance and testimony of such witnesses in the production of such books, records, correspondence, memorandums, papers, and documents as it considers necessary should the required information not be produced in an expeditious or satisfactory manner. You should expect the committee or committees to use its additional tools and authorities to satisfy our legislative and oversight requirements. Thank you for your attention. And then signed by the chairman. Of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Mike Turner, and the Chairman of Select Subcommittee on Coronavirus Pandemic, Brad Wenstrup. Curious who this Brad Wenstrup is. Anyways. The Honorable Raul Ruiz Ranking Member. Alright, so there's your, there's your document on that. Alright so. This goes on to say that in a separate letter the House Committee leaders, and I'll go ahead and just pull this up on the screen for you guys so you can actually. Look with me here. There we go. All right. So this also goes on to say, In a separate letter, In a separate letter, the House committee leaders identified former CIA chief operating officer, Andrew McCready, Mac, Macridis, as having played a central role in the COVID investigation, and asked him to sit for a transcribed interview. At CIA, we are committed to the highest level of standards of analytic rigor, integrity, and objectivity. Of course you are, just not when it comes to assassinating Kennedys. We do not pay an analyst to reach specific conclusions. Of course we wouldn't do that. The post, in a statement, we take these allegations extremely serious and are looking into them. We will keep our congressional oversight committees appropriately informed. Hmm. Interesting, interesting to see if there's anything more from this article that we should be discussing now to the comment section, which is really what matters, which says that if they are actively covering up evidence that COVID came from gain of function research that was weaponizing a virus, then I wonder what other part they might have in all of this. It seems as if we would want to know the truth of origin if we truly want to prevent similar future. outbreaks. That's a good point, right? Why would you want to cover up the origins of this? Why would you not want to get to the bottom of what happened to prevent it from happening again in the future, unless you or somebody, you know, or somebody who's giving you money. Had any take or partook in any of it, right? Why, why, if you, if you don't have any skin in the game, if you're not somebody who's going to be held liable, if you're not concerned about anything coming back to you as an organization, or maybe as the person who ordered these things to happen, why would you be doing this? That's weird. Huh. The next person said, remember when it was the political left that challenged questions and were skeptical of the various three lettered agencies yet now the left is in unquestioning lockstep when with its former arch enemies, pretty remarkable change in the last. generation. It is pretty crazy to like you go back to the 70s, you go back to the 80s, you go back to the 90s, right? The Democratic Party, the left was primarily the hippies, not the the suit and tie wearing grandfathers that we used to think were Republicans back in the day, right? You always that's always how it was pictured for a very long time, right? That that Republicans were these stiff old white men, and The cool people, the, the artists, the this, the that, the, you know, the people who were free thinkers were the people who were on the left, right? Those were the liberals. Those were the the, the Democrats. And, and it seems like we have shifted pretty, pretty significantly to where the left just wants to be completely in line with anything and everything that daddy government says that they should be in line with. And the right questions literally everything, right? For how long were we saying that there's alien evidence, alien evidence, alien evidence? And all of a sudden, the government comes out with alien evidence, and all of a sudden, we're all questioning it, right? Just because the government actually told us that. There was no winning scenario there. But, now that that information's coming out, and it's coming from the mouth of the government, and not other institutions, which we actually trust, we're questioning that too. Because, Everything the government does has an agenda or else they wouldn't be doing it because the government is just about siphoning money from the pool of tax money that they extorted from its people, right? So once you realize that, you have to realize that there's an agenda behind everything, right? The only way for you to be successful in politics, the only way for you to get into the positions that you want to is, well, maybe a already have hundreds of billions of dollars in the bank and self fund yourself and not have to take money from lobbyists, but maybe there's only been. A handful of people like that in recent history and by handful, I mean, maybe two or three and by recent history, I mean, since 1776, but but it's, it's pretty wild to see that, you know, the left is just so in line with everything the government says, so in line with mask mandates, so in line with you know, what, what the CIA is doing with, with everything and anything that comes out from the government. They're just immediately fall in line with it, right? All of that. They are the propaganda Enforcers is the liberal far left, right and and we have to say far left Although I I tend to believe that the left is far more radical in this ideologies than the right is Even if you go to like the far right, right, the far right, being the proud boy type people the, the QAnon conspiracy theorists on, on all of the the deep channels of 4chan, right? It's like when, in order to get to that level, you're probably looking at when it, when it comes to the liberal left, right? We're talking about what, what are the extreme ideologies of the liberal left? The extreme ideologies of the liberal left is that, oh, Any single moment prior to birth, a child should be able to be killed within the womb, right? There's, there's no, there's no conversation more than until it's born, right? That's a pretty radical idea. And I would say, let's say 30 percent of Democrats agree with that idea. Okay, there's one. All right, the secondary idea being that, you know, let's let's say socialism, like true capital, not capitalism, but socialism, that, you know, everybody and anybody should have their fair share of everything, regardless of work ethic, right? Equality of outcome, right? And you might look at it, maybe not straight socialism, but equality of outcome, right? They want the top 1 percent of people to pay the top, you know, 75 percent of taxes, right? Okay, that seems like somewhat of a radical ideology. They don't want people to be able to have Guns that's a that's a pretty radical ideology. Let's just say again for argument's sake that that's 30 percent 30 percent of the radical left Believes that we shouldn't be able to own any weapons at all any weapons at all Well in 30 percent might be generous. It's probably closer like 35 40 and again, I'm just throwing shit out there, but 35% And then you go into what's another radical idea? Oh, well, maybe that your children at the age of two to three years old, four years old should be able to determine their gender, even though they were born with the chromosomes that they were born with. Okay, that's a pretty radical ideology that your child should be able to choose its own gender when it can't choose its own lunch. Because it would choose candy every day. And that's maybe closer to 60 percent of the, let's say, the radical left, or the left in general, believes that. Okay? We can probably even take that further and further and further, looking at the different ideologies. But let's say 30 60 percent of the far left ideologies Trickle into the majority almost of what the left believes right now. We, we can go to the other side of things and say, what are the radical ideologies of the radical? Right. Right. Okay. Trump's been in president for the last, or has been president during Biden's entire term, and we're just waiting on him to raise his hand and say, it was me the whole time, guys. And rip off his mask like it's Scooby-Doo You know, that's like the radical, radical, right. QAnon people. Right. And obviously, you know, QAnon's been, been has some, some merit to some of its belief systems when it comes to the the child sex trafficking rings and things like that. There's obvious merit to that. But, but when we're talking about the fact that there's going to be Trump's. In charge of the real military and he, and I think we haven't heard much whispers of that over the last year or so, but for about the first year or two for, for Joe Biden's presidency, there was a serious group of small group of extremist conservatives, extremist conservatives who were thinking that Trump was going to come back and take over and be like, ha, it was me, right? I'm still president. And, and, you know, that's, that's pretty radical, but I would say maybe Four, three, 3%, maybe less than 3% of of people right now. Another radical ideology on the right might be what? I can't, it's hard to even think of any. I dunno that you shouldn't have drag shows in front of children Like what is, what is the radical rights belief systems that the government shouldn't you know, we didn't even get the freedom of speech when it comes to the left, right? Censorship. The, the, the right might think that there should be No. No. No censorship of speech, right? That's not even radical. So it's just hard to see. It's hard to see what is the what? And I'm open to the conversation. So send me a message. Let me know what is the radical ideas of the right. And maybe maybe we can start to have the percentage conversations I just had with the left, but it's so much easier. Okay, let's just go with abortion. Right abortion. Let's say every single person believes that there should be no ability to have any abortion. And that let's call that a A radical ideology within the right. Let's just say that just for argument's sake. What percentage of people do you think That are conservatives that hold that belief that just zero abortions for any reason whatsoever, regardless of age, regardless of circumstance, regardless of medical situations, maybe, maybe 10%, maybe 5%, I would think like Uh, and primarily made up of people who are highly religious and for religious reasons, not just ideological reasons. So it's just a weird conversation, right? The far left is far more of the left than the far right being part of the right, right? The percentages of those people are just so much lower than what we see. So the craziness... That the entire left is pretty crazy in their ideology because you get thrown out of the group if you don't agree with all of it. Right? So, anyways, there's your tangent on that. Where were we? I don't think it matters. Last comment says there was no lab leak, virus developed in Georgia and released worldwide through various means with various intensities. Not natural, not an accident, U. S. military operation under the auspices of the deep state. Hmm. That's an interesting one. Now, if you go back, I did a whole episode on the what is it called? The water in the water. What was it? That guy, Peter or something did a documentary about how he believed that it was some form of snake venom that was being released to people through the water systems, right? That was a pretty, that was a crazy, crazy idea. But there's a whole documentary on it. Let's see if I can remember what it was called. Let's go. COVID, Snake, Venom, Water, Documentary. And I did a whole podcast breaking this down. So, you can go back and listen to that. Watch the water. Watch the water. That's what it was. Hmm. Yeah, I believe that was, and this guy is the guy who did it. That he interviewed. This, what's the guy's name? Here he is. Pretty sure the guy's like a chiropractor or some shit. But that's a pretty crazy one that the water, the drinking water was being poisoned with snake venom. That was a, that was a pretty wild one, but, but interesting. And I believe if you go back and actually listen to it, there was, there was some interesting arguments within that. But anyways, maybe that's what they were discussing within that comment there. But wrapping that topic up, the CIA was apparently and allegedly, according to this whistleblower, Paying people not to say that it was a lab leak. And again, you have to ask yourself why. All right? In other news, Russell Brand has been accused of sexual assault. And as a result, his YouTube channel has been immediately demonetized without any actual trial, any hearing. Right? And this is somebody's income. So... YouTube blocks Russell Brand from making money from videos on his channel over sexual assault and rape allegations. Right? Something, something that's embedded in our law is innocent until proven guilty. Right? The guy from That 70s Show that Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis was just basically sticking up for in a letter. Was convicted of rape by two women convicted, right? We can demonetize his YouTube. Not sure he would have access to it anyways. But do you just get to as a company? D demonetized the platform people kill their income for allegations. Now, are you playing judge and jury? And how does that play into when somebody goes to court for these things? Right? If you're if you're saying that you believe this person is guilty and also who's making these decisions at YouTube and that. Different companies like this. Anyways, let's go ahead and read this article, which says YouTube has suspended advertisements on Russell Brand's channel in light of a slew of sexual assault and rape allegations made against the comedian as clips of his former wife, Katy Perry, have resurfaced the platform suspensions for violating its policy will still allow brand to. Upload videos, of course it will, it just won't give him money, but he will not profit from advertising. Meanwhile, footage has re emerged of the moment Brand ended his relationship with US singer Perrie by text message in 2011 following their 14 month marriage. Presenter Vanessa Feltz has also shared deeply offensive footage of Brand. Asking to sleep with her and her daughters. When she appeared on his chat show in 2006 and the late comedian, Sean Locke disclosed the reason he hated brand and the clip from the panel show eight out of 10 cats in 2014, explaining he had a fear for his he had a fear his daughters would bring home a man like brand one day. I don't see how that has any merit. Brand has vehemently denied the very serious criminal allegations and said his relationships were absolutely always consensual. So let's see if we can get maybe some of these videos. No, they're just going to send us to a big page of random stuff. All right. So it goes on to say a timeline key points. YouTube suspends monetization. Big brother co creator describes brand allegations as. depressing and BBC confirms removal of brands, content, brand episodes removed from C4 website. No evidence to suggest channel four bosses knew of brands alleged assaults and review into the timeline at BBC led to by director of editorial complaints. This was three hours ago. It says that who cares? That's a silly one. It says the allegations against Russell Brand over the weekend have got people examining the age of consent. Rightly so, that a 30 year old man would embark on a sexual relationship with a schoolgirl feels instinctively wrong to many of us. The woman in question, Alice, who has said that she now feels she was groomed by Brand, though he also denied all of the allegations, has called for consent law to be reviewed in light of her experience. The law enabled it, she told reporters. For the times Saturday night, it shouldn't be legal for a 16 year old to have a relationship with a man in their thirties. Now, most of us are comfortable with the idea that a 16 year old can consent to have sex with another 16 year old, that two teenagers can have a sexual relationship, but we start to feel iffy when there's an adult in the sexual relationship with a minor, as the gap age gap increases, so does our discontent or disquiet. That's not mere hand wringing or moralizing, and it's not about. Trying to deny young people their sexuality, it's because we understand implicitly, even when we can't articulate it, that an imbalance of power can affect consent. Okay, agreed. 16 year olds and 30 year olds shouldn't be having sex. Let's see this clip. Can I have it off with either you or your daughters, the answer's no, and I'm, no. It's terribly awkward when you're a guest on somebody else's show, particularly in a theatre which is full of great fans of, of the presenter, Russell Brand, so they all loved him, they were cheering him and egging him on, and I was in this unbelievably awkward position where you don't quite know what to do. Are you meant to pretend you think it's funny and laugh along? Are you meant to stand up and walk out in high dutch and, and, and look as if you're a spoilsport and a party pooper? You know, what are you supposed to do? But I know I was deeply offended then as I remain deeply offended now. Now that woman looked about in her 40s and not very attractive at the time. And now that's not to take away the seriousness of this clip, but I don't see that there being any merit to that of people just trying to smear him. Now, now something that's come out as a revolt result of this, you know, and something that there seems to be a lot of attention on Russell Brand right now, right now, Russell Brand speaking out consistently, consistently, consistently against the deep state against George Soros against the world economic forum. So To me, it would be no surprise that there's things coming back. Now, from 20, 30, 20 years ago, 10, 15, 20 years ago, that obviously have not been litigated. There's no, nothing going through the court system. So again, I'm not saying that I don't think a 30 year old and a 16 year old should have a sexual relationship. That's creepy. It's weird. It's gross. I, I don't know if I, you know, we just had the one side of that, but he seems to say that he. didn't do any of that. Now telling a woman in her 40s during a talk show, let me have a go at you or your daughters and she's 40 and maybe your daughter's 2025 or something like, okay, it's still nothing there. You know, I would love to see, you know, and here's a, here's a good quote that came from Reddit. That's pretty popular right now. It says, All start caring whether or not Russell Brand had some questionable sex a decade or two ago when the media starts caring what Bill Gates or Prince Andrew was doing on Epstein Island. Or when it starts naming the customers Ghislaine Maxwell was convicted of supplying trafficked minors to. Right. There seems to be a lot of emphasis, right? I'll start caring about Russell brand. When you start to show that you actually care about the victims, right? That's what this is saying here. Not, not, let's not diminish if there was some allegations. Cause I haven't read enough into them to say they weren't true or they were true or whatever. Let's just say, sure. There's allegations here, but what we know 100 percent besides the fact that Russell brand had, what seems like a still. Something that has not been convicted against him. And he still hasn't even gone to court for this. That doesn't seem like there's any charges. But there has been somebody who was supplying and trafficking hundreds, if not thousands, of underage women to Prince Andrew, to Bill Clinton, to Hollywood executives, to Hollywood elites, to... Everybody in power, and everybody knew about it. Oh, and also, so did the news companies who silenced the articles to come out. Right? Everybody knew about this, but nobody said anything. And still... They're protecting the lists today, you're going to tell me you're going to tell me that they raided Epstein's Island and found nothing of merit that they're releasing to the public about who was a part of this, how they did it, about what we're doing as a result of that, you're going to tell me they raided an entire island that was used specifically for track picking and found nothing, not a Bit of evidence, not a single strand of evidence that led them to convict somebody who was on that island doing those things. Bill Gates, like I said, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton just person after person after person. And the list, you know, we've gone into that and the whole breakdown of the black list that came out or black book that came out from Epstein. So you can go back and listen to that to see who was all a part of it. But. It's pretty crazy. And, and so this article or this, this person posted and goes on to say that I'll care what about what one former US president is or isn't guilty of. When the media starts caring about what other former US presidents are or are not guilty of. And I'll care about a more powerful country invading a less powerful country when the media reports the conflict and its context in exactly the same tone. And with the degree, same degree of neutrality versus moral outrage as it uses when there's a more powerful country in question is the U S A. Until that day, the mainstream media and everyone who repeats its talking points on social media is not, but idle gossip and the sound of one hand clapping. Until the day I could not give less fucks about what mainstream media says any person did or didn't do, so... Well, that's not what it said. It says about who the mainstream media says any fucker fucked or didn't fuck. And so fuck the mainstream media. Let anyone... It fucks with tell them to fuck the fuck off. With its farce ial fuckery. Now, the top comment on this, and I don't disagree with this, is you are allowed to care about all of those things simultaneously. Right. I don't disagree with that. It definitely seems like you should, you know, If you care about people who are the victims, you should just care about them regardless, but it doesn't seem like it's obviously not the same level of situation here. Now, in light of these things coming up here, I'm actually going to skip. We'll maybe push off the Tim Ballard one to a different episode here, because we have a little bit more to go. And I have a little bit limited amount of time here. So the next one that we're going to move to is a Texas church experiments with. AI generated service and uses chat GPT for worship sermon and original songs to praise the Lord says the church said the experiment would be a one time event. And this comes from Fox news. Now, if this isn't the most dystopian thing you've ever heard of when it comes to religion, I don't know what it is. This is just So sci fi, weird, and cult y. It says, with artificial intelligence seemingly infiltrating every facet of our lives, one church decided to experiment with the technology for one of its services last week. The Violet Crown City Church, located in Austin, held an AI generated service on Sunday, describing the experiment as uncharted territory. Yeah, because you're starting a cult with... a robot at the head of it. This, and you're, you're, you're actually the, so here's a philosophical issue with this is that you're, you're taking the person who is, let's say the, the coding behind the AI and turning that into a deity, right? You're, you're giving it infinite amounts of power over people. When somebody gives their life to a God or a deity or a religion and says, I believe in you. I trust in you. I give you my life. I give you my faith. You know, faith is a faith is a. a tricky thing, right? Faith is, is now not always blind faith, but, but faith with with a little bit of suspicion is, is healthy, right? But faith, faith is a tricky thing. And if you give that faith to something who's, who's being, can be at any single point manipulated by man. Right? You're, you're giving religious potential. You're giving deity like power to something that is man itself, right? We cannot have man worshiping man. That's the problem that we saw with science during COVID science, right? It turned into a cult, right? There's no man who should be a deity and there's no artificial intelligence that should be a deity because what does that become other than the manifestation of the programming, right? Right? So this says. This Sunday, they said, we're entering somewhat uncharted territory by letting Chachibiti create the order of worship, prayers, sermon, liturgy, and even an original song from our 10 a. m. service, the church wrote on its official Facebook page. The purpose, the purpose is to invite us to consider the nature of truth and challenge our assumptions about what, what God can make sacred and inspired. The Church acknowledged such an experiment would be easy to write off, but encouraged its members to keep an open mind. Why not attend instead of an experience for yourself, the Church said, clarifying that this would be a one time experiment and not something we'll likely do again. Yeah, I hope not. The Church assanjed any worries that Skynet, a reference to the fictional AI, I'm not sure an AI can actually express the emotions of love and kindness and empathy, Chambers said. I think that we must practice love and express that. Not only feel it, but we must. Express it. Interesting. Now the comment on this was pretty sure God was not impressed with the vanity of that service. They wanted the creator of the entire universe to interact with a machine? It's like man saying, here, listen to this thing we created. God made man so he could interact and connect with man. Not so that man could make a machine and use it as his proxy. Yes. Agreed. Right, this is, if you think there is layers to reality, one of those layers being the higher, the higher reality, right, which is, let's call it heaven or we're, we're, we're God lives, right? And the layer that we're on being a lower dimension of reality, right? You cannot create, and you cannot, when, when somebody is creating a sermon, when somebody is writing a song, when somebody is deciding on what they do or do not want to talk about, If you believe in, in the faith of, of Christian, Christianity and religion, you believe that God is speaking through that person, right? God's not going to speak through an AI chatbot that was created by some Silicon Valley, woke, purple haired, ear ringed, Weirdo, right? Earrings like there's something wrong with earrings but it's all, you know, I, I pictured like 22 earrings on their head and gate big gauges. Right? But God's not going to speak through that person or at least through the coding that they wrote. I'm sorry. Right? So, so if you believe that that is of this reality that is of this realm and it's not going to be the real thing and all that opens up is a weird it. Alien based cult. Let's get into the good stuff. Alright, so the doctors, if you go back, the doctors in Mexico actually have come out and done testing on the alien bodies that were found in Peru. Now they claim that these were almost over a thousand years old when they were found and they were found in the ruins of I believe it wasn't wreckage, but they were just found and dug up by like archaeologists. So it says Mexican doctors have found no evidence of any assembly or manipulation of the skulls of the so called non human being remains that were presented to Mexico's Congress last week. Seemingly proven the remains were not human made. The scientists conducted a number of tests on the two specimens at the Neuer Clinic on Monday and live streamed the entire procedure. Wow, that's pretty cool. In the end, Jose Zels Benitez, the director of Health Sciences Research Institute and the secretary of the Mexican Navy offices, said the studies proved the alleged aliens belonged to a single skeleton and were not assembled with human objects. He also said his team found that one was alive, was intact, Was biological and was in gestation, pointing to large lumps inside the alleged E. T. 's abdomen, which suggested could be eggs. Whoa. I can affirm that these bodies have no relation to human beings, he previously claimed. The pair, which were allegedly unearthed in Cusco, Peru in 2017, have elongated heads with three fingers on each hand. Creepy. Super creepy. Especially when you look at the pictures of this MRI. Whoa, how are these pictures not out? That's crazy. Also, I do just want to say that nobody seems to give a fuck about the fact that they just showed alien corpses on live TV and then just did an autopsy on them with MRI machines and cat scans and came out with the results. I haven't seen a single person. I found this literally randomly on the New York Post. It says, but otherwise they appear humanoid in shape with two arms and two legs. Each my son. Said that they had strong light bones and no teeth, and had implants of ca, ca, ca, ca, cadmium and osmium, which is one of the scary, scariest elements on Earth. Also, one third of their d n A is unknown. He testified claiming that beings are not part of our terrestrial evolution. These specimens are not part of our evolutionary history on earth. They're not beings recovered from a U F O crash site. Instead, they were found in diatom. Minds and subc subsequently became fossilized, which is an algae. This is the first time it is presented in such a form. And I think there is a clear demonstration that we are dealing with non human specimens. They're not related to any other species in our world, but many have expressed skepticism about the discovery. For years, academics, archaeologists and scientists said that mummified remains, that UFO enthusiasts claim or aliens are generally just modified human bodies. And there's people looking at these pictures. There's picture after picture of these skulls. Oh my gosh. Could you imagine being in this room? How wild is that? The very first comment on this said, I am partly convinced they are not human and could be extraterrestrial. However, the DNA results will tell the tale. It should be easy to send a small sample of DNA to a reputable company. In fact, why not send one of the eggs as well? If it was alive at one time, that should be. The final proof of origin. Somebody else commented back to that person and said, is anyone going to believe anything coming from Mexico? Says they performed the same tests on Biden and got the same results. Oh, pretty crazy.  All right. And last but not least on today's episode, we're going to dive into the Malaysia air three 70 conspiracy. This was posted eight days ago on conspiracy Reddit by additional underscore add 3796. And I've dabbled in this a little bit. I haven't read the whole thing, but it's pretty crazy. So this says, Hello, this is Ashton from Twitter, and I have been writing about the MH370 videos for the past month. They are real, leaked, military videos. I don't want you to believe me, I want to convince you with the facts. This isn't all of the facts, just some of the most compelling. The videos... Oldest Archive is a satellite stereoscopic video from the Regenik Dianon with an archive upload date of May 19th, 2024. The description reads, Received March 12th, 2014. Source, protected. Alright, let's go ahead and see and make sure that he doesn't have any prior posts on this that give us a... T. L. D. R. A little bit on his post. So this was, well, he replies a lot. Let's go to his posts. We're looking at an overview. All right. So the one that we had looked at was from eight days ago. Let's just see if he has any the real story of MH three 70 all pertinent evidence and theories. That was 70 or seven days ago. Facts and theories to help the investigation. And okay. So this Reddit looks like started eight days ago or 10 days ago. And it says proof the Northern coordinates are correct and facts. Hey guys, this is Ashton from Twitter. I've noticed a lot of things have gotten destroyed here. Let's see if he gives us a quick synopsis here. And he does not. So let's jump first to the one that he says is all evidence and theories. Okay. So, so my J the general consensus. Well, not general consensus because I haven't done a census, but the idea here is that the original story was, was wrong, that this is a conspiracy and that it didn't just evaporate into thin air or fall into the ocean as everybody thinks. So this says Ashton Twitterson here, many people ask for a comprehensive list. Of the evidence of the M H 370 video. So I delivered most people's immediate reaction will be that the MH 370 videos are stupid or impossible, but they line up with all the facts to date. Don't believe me or trust me, verify the evidence. The U S government made a huge mistake recording this event. There's no excuse they can use to deny it. If you want to destroy all credibility and world governments here is. Your unique opportunity. Each piece of evidence can be verified either visually in the video from works of the community or my own investigation research. If it's not on the list, I either haven't verified it or don't find it to be credibly linked to the investigation. At this time, I'm limited in images that can be used or I would add more. I only put links and sources when it's a contentious point. When the time comes, all those who contributed will be giving credit. Quick disclaimer, they said This is not Q Anon. This is not to distract from Trump or Biden. This is not an alien invasion. This is not a hoax, misinformation, or disinformation. There are ufology elements, but that does not mean it is the explanation. This is the power of the community used to tell the story of the greatest conspiracy of all time. Is this the greatest conspiracy of all time? Note, I don't want to talk to any mainstream media. They'll never tell the truth. I'll talk to any alternative media or Tucker Carlson, Bill Maher, Joe Rogan. If these three can be convinced, I believe the world can be. Interesting. All right, so let's see if we can start with the theories, because I feel like he could have written this better to give us a brief synopsis first. But essentially. Oh, so that's what that video was. Okay, so this is showing that the Malaysia Air 370 was being circled by three unidentified objects in this crazy weird orbs all surrounding it and rotating. I did see this video. And then there's a zap, which is a cold event in the thermal because this was being picked up by thermal imaging. The zap accurately illuminates the clouds in the background and the foreground. All right. So. Let's go through this full. Let's go through this full deep dive. All right. So let's just go back to the top here because now it's starting to make a little bit more sense to me. There's a video that was circulating, which was showing and I'll pull it up here for you guys. So you can watch it if you're on YouTube with me here or on rumble or on the sub stack. This is the web archived video. Okay. Now, again, this comes from 2014 back when this airliner went missing. And here's a video. That they're saying is credible evidence of the Malaysia air showing, and here's my cursor showing there's the orb. There's three orbs that fly right around it in a crazy, crazy quick way that has no, wow. And they're, they're surrounding it like almost in a symmetrical triangle, rotating back and forth and in sync. Almost completely in sync and then rotating and turning back around and all surrounding this airliner, the same airliner that went missing suddenly back in 2014 and they go faster and faster and faster and faster, see if, and then disappears, what completely disappears. So we need to verify obviously the legitimacy of this video, but a lot of people seem to think it's legit. That was crazy. Okay. So one more time at the point where it disappears, the rotating, rotating, rotating, rotating, and it's gone big flash. And the airliner is just completely gone after being surrounded by these three orbs. Now there's a second video that comes from this, and we'll see what this shows us. That was the one that I saw, I believe. It says capture airliners and UFOs, UAV. And here's the thermal imagery. Alright, so here's the aircraft flying. Now why is a UAV this close to this airliner is a better question with thermal imaging. There's an orb, one orb, two orbs. Rotating, rotating, and leaving a thermal trail behind them, which is interesting. Oh, they're perfectly circling when you see the trail around them. Whoa, that's so weird. Super weird. And let's see if it shows it disappearing. Whoa, and it's Gone, dude, if this is real, and this if this is Malaysia air and the whole time I remember this, this was like, this was as big as the Titanic submarine situation. Like all those, you know, the three billionaires, this was an entire airliner just gone, gone. And I believe there was some high profile people on this airliner. But yeah, They we were looking for this for days and days and days went by and days went by and it should have been out of fuel and maybe they they landed here and maybe they didn't and maybe we just haven't their transponder went off whatever it was if this is the airliner and this is real this is one of the craziest conspiracies ever okay Now I'm in. Now I'm in. Alright. So, we got the background now. Filmed in 2014 with technology from 2014. Spy satellite videos, presumed from USA 229 is the earliest archived source. Received March 12, 2014. 3D stereoscopic video, technically a third video, which means we need two satellites in close proximity and on the same orbital trajectory. Satellite perspective changes eight times as do the coordinates, with coordinates visible in six of them showing us the location and direction of travel, south and east. A thermal layer of MQ 1C Grey Eagle posted by Rejiknion received, I don't know what the hell that's supposed to be a name or something received June 5th of 2014. And cameras on the equipment are made. For filming these events, it says this the thermal layer on a specialized electro infrared camera on the MQ one secret Eagle matches the mission purpose for this S I B R S and S I G I N T tracking boats and planes, electronic signals, monitoring intelligence and battlefield awareness, alternate sources and higher quality exists that point to none of these users being the original source. Maybe we can see if these are the same exact videos and higher resolution, but this is two minutes long. So I wonder maybe it's, it looks slowed down a little bit. That's probably why it's two minutes. I want to see it disappear like that. Slow motion. Gone. Whoa, that's wild. Okay it's a speculation. The original source may have come from a private forum or left on the dark web to be found. Videos show coordinates in them that change, but not when the mouse moves. Videos show satellite designations presumed to be N r o l 22 due to seeing 93 and thus ruling out threes. Not sure what that's supposed to mean. Satellite vis video explained by remote terminal access mouse drift. Explained by a JPEG wheel track ball that does not have the click activated screen capture of terminal running at some resolution. 30 frames per second. Citrix remote terminal running at default on 24 frames per second. Okay, very technical. So they're trying to figure out where did this video come from because you see on the screen a mouse going back and forth on top of it over top of the video. So I think that's what they're trying to do here. Remotely navigating around a very large resolution video playing at. Eight frames per second, or is that six? Six frames per second. Okay, so they're just trying to figure out where did this video come from? Plane is making a left hand turn and descending consistent with a circle formation consistent with capabilities of a 777 to 200. Plane's altitude is low based on how close they are to the cumulus cloud formations. Okay, true. There's a heat signature near the center bottom half of the plane. Yes, also true. There's an exhaust smoke coming from the plane, which is likely too low for contrails. Three orbs approach. The plane seemingly not affected by gravity. Yeah, that's that's what I said. It was just moving. It didn't seem to follow Newton's laws. Like it's just moving around in a way that our aircraft absolutely could not. Does the orbs have cold trails that are in front of the orb leading the orb? Yes. Saw that. Speculation. Orbs may be changing the pressure of the atmosphere or absorbing energy from it. Orbs entered a lock formation and begin a pattern and change patterns. Wow, they really broke down this pattern this way the way that they were rotating. Very interesting. And the two of them almost intersect and then change their formation and then go perfectly in sync. Perfectly in sync. It says the orb's pattern encircles the plane over time. The orbs may not be visible to the human eye. Both cameras are infrared. Huh, interesting. A zap occurs as the orbs bend and move towards the plane. The zap is a cold event in the thermal, and the zap accurately illuminates the clouds in the background and the foreground. Huh. So was this at night? The plane completely disappears after the zap, including the plane's visible trail. The MQ 1C is cropped out of the satellite video, just out of view. The user closes the window after the plane disappears, indicating this was not recorded in real time. It requires knowledge of classified military systems. Person who recorded or leaked these videos is likely in prison. How would a hoaxer know? They would never find a plane. Why this is M H three 70. Okay. Good question. How do we know that this is the plane, right? Is this says that it's the only missing seven 77. There was no debris field found official flight path. Has it running out of gas? Because there's nowhere else for it to go and the official search searched everywhere along the final ping art and along the flight path even the Nicobar Islands area, right? So the perfectly along this flight path perfectly around the time that it was flying and it's the exact aircraft type says the thermal matches the exact silhouette of a 777. Okay, yep, which is overlaid at the top of this image here. The color tone matches that of Malaysia Airlines. And satellite coordinates put it on the flight path of MH370 around... 640 Nicobar Islands, which is the smoking gun. Note, this is the suspected location of the turn into the South Indian Ocean. It has an imagery around that. It says NROL 22, released in 2006, is presumed to be a relay satellite due to its molnia. Orbit and clear view of the satellite that took the video, the smoking gun USA two 29 at the right location. Time apparent angle with a sister debris satellite capable of taking stereoscopic video at six 40 UTC. So it's just verifying that there was something in this location at that time that could have taken this video and says propose of. Signal intelligence and space based infrared systems is to track airplanes like this. Interesting, it shows a Lockheed Martin space based infrared system. And then it says the U. S. military had to have tracked MH370. We've proven they had the satellites in the area. US military confirmed the provided data to the intelligence community to help solve the mystery of MH370 and the freedom of information act about the DSP detection of the impact of 370 was ignored. Goes on to show the flight path. The pilot says good night. MH370 at 5 19 UTC at 17 21. 521 UTC MH370 disappears from all civilian radar due to both 8S, B and A cars being shut off. Captain Blelly suggests whoever was in command of the aircraft had intentionally achieved this by disconnecting all four electronic Electrical generators and APU. The radar says the plane makes impossible altitude changes from 5, 000 feet to 55, 000 feet. The radar loses the plane, but tracks an object they believed to be the plane as the satellite system resets three minutes and a log on request happens around 1724 plane changes directions. When the plane gets over Penang, the copilot cell phone pings, huh? The last Malaysian. Radar in between 1815 and 1822, 200 miles West by Northwest of Penang. Hmm. Very interesting. So it's showing basically the flight logs and the the pings of information that was being sent out from it. It says the witness interesting. So it's showing her blog post, Catherine T. It says the reported facts, their timing, and their identified geometrical relative position provided by Miss T are coherent, providing confidence in her reporting. So let's see this blog post while that's loading. She says, I thought it was coming to land. I felt it was traveling slowly. The aircraft was probably flying in L2 between 2000 and 100, 000 feet, held same tack for five minutes. The aircraft had considerably descended. from the first or from the first second of observation until the accidental change of tack. I saw that what looked like black smoke behind the orange glow, which resembled a contrail, but black, but I couldn't see any fire flames or anything like that. I just saw a plane glowing orange. Whoa. This comes from chat GPT, which has gases in the atmosphere, particularly oxygen. Nitrogen can glow orange under influence of electromagnetic effects, ionization, and other electron or energetic processes. The Aurors are a prime example of a phenomenon. Interesting. Says the glowing plane did not have any navigation lights. Alright, as it moved behind the boat, I could see the shape very clearly, which was a passenger plane. Here is the blog post. Which, quite lengthy. But maybe we'll have to send that out in the sub stack. Hmm. Interesting. So this woman says that she saw Malaysia Air right around the time that it disappeared. And wrote a blog post about it. It says other pertinent information. It says, my impression of the hall was that it was monocolor. I assume light matte gray. I doubted my sanity at the time. The plane circles around the boat counterclockwise from the Southeast. Hmm. The silence is sinister was the last tweet. It says other pertinent information to fake passengers using stolen passports that changed their appearance. What one possible passenger who bypassed security. And an SOS at 243 intercepted and reported only in Chinese news, which is a plane attempting emergency landing. Trump leaked a similar satellite photo in 2019 of USA 224, which launched in 2011, same year as USA 229. And then it says debunking the suicide myth. Everyone stands up for him, including officials and his wife. 18, 000 flight hours. Coworkers loved him. So it's talking about the pilot. No indication of suicide intent in the flight path. Had a huge custom simulator. Not standard model. Zahari's flight simulator had been used to pilot two data points in the southern Indian Ocean. Or to plot. And route found on the simulator closely matches MH 150 route to Jeddah with a diversion at the end of the South Pole. He was rostered to fly MH 150, impossible to disconnect all four electrical generators. Flying over his hometown is silly. It was an emergency and people would kick down the door before they would get knocked out. Depressurization is slow. In most emergency scenarios, the plane is not going to last until it runs out of fuel. Now it's going on to debunk the fact that the actual of the debris, no debris found by the official search or above or below water. It says the debris found years later was not consistent with barnacle growth. Only the Flay Perrin was matched with a non unique serial number. One person claims to have found 10 plus pieces, which was featured and contested on a Netflix documentary. Oh, excuse me. No one is allowed to inspect it. Okay. So it's trying to debunk it addressing debunks of the videos. Clouds do move just slowly. So it's just going over some of the things that people are saying about that. Hmm. Interesting. Plane disappears. So it says teleportation. Plane disappears from space time instantly. Intermediate black hole event. Which was it being cold? A witness sees a possible red shifted glow or orange glow Using a plane because it's in open space, huh? Teleportation may be to hide the plane Family's phones were proven ringing on Chinese TV for days Impossible if underwater or in another dimension, huh? Traveling forward in time doesn't break causality But traveling backward in time does See time Dilation says the science wormholes have been shown to be theoretically possible by at least three scientific papers They all show that exotic material is not necessary One paper argues a thin shell could be used to safely transport an object outside of space time Description of an intermediate black hole is consistent with the zap we see in the videos And one paper discusses needing to remove unwanted particles from the area The orbs may have been super conductive the orbs could be cleaning the area in Deucing the mouth of the wormhole and or acting as the barrier for passage. And there's a real patent for a magnetic vortex wormhole generator. What the fuck? No way. Let's pull that one up. Patents. google. com. A patent number is. U. S. 20030197093A1, and I will include this in the sub stack as well, because now we need a sub stack on this one. So this invention, which is called Magnetic Vortex Wormhole Generator. What? This invention relates to a magnetic vortex generator, which has the ability to generate negative mass and a negative spring constant, which, according to Einstein's general theory of relativity, is required in order to create a stable wormhole between R space and hyperspace. Whaaaaat? Very interesting, above my scientific pay grade. But I will definitely be reading through this another time. And maybe I'll highlight some stuff for you when I throw it in the sub stack. Here's the article that came from the last day of Malaysia airline passengers with stolen passports. Okay, interesting. Could these be the aliens? Alright let's wrap this up here. It says Diego Garcia, 1, 700 military and 1, 500 civilian personnel. Space Force has 86, 000 total servicemen and women. Okay. Sighting of a passenger plane 50 miles north of the base flying low in the early morning. I wish he would have put this together better. Pilot had Diego Garcia in his simulator. Not open to commercial aircraft. Enough space for a 7 77. So wait, what is this? Diego Garcia? Is this supposed to be like a a military base or something? What is Diego Garcia? Diego Garcia Base. It's gotta be a military base. Diego Garcia is a British atoll in the Indian Ocean. It is an island of the British Indian Ocean Territory, an overseas territory of the United States Kingdom or the United Kingdom. It is a militarized atoll just south of the equator in the central Indian Ocean and the largest of 60 small islands. Huh. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Because there was a theory that it landed there, I guess. Okay. Alright, moving on here. Not open to commercial aircraft, has enough space for a 777, has underground facilities with a black vault Freedom of Information Act showing it may be a CIA black site. Message from Philip Wood saying he had held captive with a picture of EXIF data, placing it at Diego Garcia. Tens of millions. To black construction for dredging and other activities. Lockheed Martin contract for upgrading power and water photos of Diego Garcia, Facebook that look like the crew seems like the new area 51 Strava heat map and the small boat Harbor outside of the yacht club seems very active. Do D reassessed privacy's policies for the troops after Strava revelations in 2018. Hmm. Theories and speculation. The reason to do this must be large enough to warrant the risk unlikely to be about money. Shadow war for control of this technology, 20 semiconductor scientists on board. Whoa. So saying that basically the reason that they would have done this was that there was 20 semiconductor scientists on board Malaysia air and they wanted to either remove them, kill them, whatever. Or transport them to this base. Says video suppressed to hide hyper advanced technology not known to the public. Interesting. Video suppressed to hide non human intelligence. Filming had intent. UAV is too slow to catch a 777 and US 229 is only in position for minutes. So the only reason it got filmed, they're saying, is because they wanted to see this, and then somebody leaked it. Primary narratives. Ones with the most evidence, and we're getting towards the end of this. Set the satellite computer to stick to IOR 30 minutes prior to takeoff to make the plane difficult to trace. Three fake passengers possibly in on the hijack. Pilots and crew may be in on it. Flight changed to the last minute. Same data of Diego. 1721 UTC event is electromagnetic jamming plane is flown to Penang as a waypoint and for flies directly towards the coordinates. U. S. military equipment is waiting to teleport the plane to Diego Garcia. Deals are made with the crew and passengers, countries of the passengers. Maldives sighting just north of Diego Garcia in the early morning, Philip Wood resists, where is he now, witness protection. Who is Philip Wood? Debris later thrown in the ocean. Crew lookalikes found on Facebook at Diego Garcia. Motive is control of the very technology we see in the video. And the last portion of this says, UFO emergency event. All right, it says 1721 event disconnects all four electrical generators and APU transponders similar to what an EMP or electromagnetic interference may do damage to the plane will cause it to ground quickly depressurization may be slow fire could have started lithium batteries could be a source of fuel or interest in the UFO angle copilot cell phone pings over Penang. Indicating calling for help. Next logical place to land is in the water. Other narratives, USO, UFO teleports the plane to another dimension or location. Ooh. And motive of the cover up is to hide non human intelligence and technology from the world. Whoa. Decoy plate theory. Second 777 used to spoof the pings and track trick in Marsat. This event was to gain control of patents for some nanochips related to the Rothschilds. What? This event was to gain control of patents for some nanochips related to the Rothschilds. Huh. UFO is saving the passengers from their own doom. UFO is attracted to the lithium batteries, or the governments are working with the NHI for shadowy purposes. Interesting. That is a crazy one. Crazy one. He says, submission statement, the MH370 videos are the largest verifiable conspiracy of all time. This has been a cover up by multiple nations and multiple individuals. This conspiracy has the potential to break the minds of many, as well as destroy confidence in world governments. And this came from the same individual who said, Thank you for contributing, supporting, and getting the message out. Wow. That's a... Crazy one, crazy one. That's one of my most favorite conspiracies that we've gone over. All right. Wonderful. I hope you got something out of that. Code to the Substack, austinadams. substack. com, subscribe, leave a five star review. That'

Chris Hanson hosted a show called To Catch a Predator that was based around sting operations put in place to catch predators who thought it was a good idea to go after underage boys and girls. At one point, there was a plan to go after Epstein this way. So, how come it never happened? Let's dive in and find out!to contact me:bobbycapuccI@protonmail.comsource:https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/catch-predators-chris-hansen-attempted-23292530This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

The relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner will be examined in a new Hulu documentary titled Victoria's Secret: Angels and Demons. In this episode, we take a look at what to expect.(commercial at 13:46)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/mysterious-billionaire-behind-jeffrey-epstein-095140216.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Better late than never, eh? Finally, after years of waiting for Barclays to hold Jess Staley accountable, he has resigned. In the wake of that resignation it has been revealed that the emails sent back and forth between the two showed quite the close relationship.(commercial 13:45)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://nypost.com/2021/11/12/former-barclays-ceo-reportedly-exchanged-1200-emails-with-jeffrey-epstein/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Radaronline has been engaged in a legal dispute with the FBI for years now over secret FBI files on Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The government has contended that the files must stay secret because they might have to re-try Ghislaine Maxwell and if the files are released it will give her a head start on her defense.A Judge who is hearing the case has a different perspective though and has ruled that some of the documents must be turned over. (commercial at 7:02)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:Jeffrey Epstein Files May Be Blocked for 'Possible' Ghislaine Maxwell Retrial (knewz.com)source:'FBI seeks to block release of secret Jeffrey Epstein files' | US News | Metro Newssource:FBI Can't Shield All Epstein Records From FOIA Request - Law360This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

In this look back episode...Accusers have come forward in the Epstein case and allege years of abuse at the hands of the notorious pedophile. The youngest of these new accusers? She was only 11. It is just another example of how this depraved animal was left unchecked for decades.(Commercial at 10:25)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-jeffrey-epstein-victims-including-11-year-old-girl-come-forward-in-lawsuitThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

In this look back episode we hear more about Jeffrey Epstein's "secret" girlfriend, Children's author, Shelley Anne Lewis. Her nickname? Chocolate Sauce. Let's see where she fits in.(Commercial at 9:35)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://nypost.com/2020/08/02/everything-you-need-to-know-about-jeffrey-epsteins-secret-girlfriend/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Prince Andrew and his legal team attempted to act as if they were dealing from a position of power many times throughout the inevitable payout that he ended up stuck with, yet one of the most brazen and ridiculous showings of this bravado was when his legal team threatened to not take part in the legal proceedings. If he thinks the 17 Million plus is bad, try not showing up to court. As we all know now, it was just more bs from the Prince of it.(commercial at 9:05)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://nypost.com/2021/09/13/prince-andrews-lawyers-to-miss-first-sexual-assault-hearing/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

She has returned to us! Oh, blessed day. Yes, it is with gratitude that we say goodbye to Elena Pegasus and hello to our very own mythical horse lady, freshly returned from her monthlong European summer sojurn. MUST BE NICE. And we look back on the Epstein story (still unconvinced that he had help killing himself), and talk about why Q nuts went buggy last year about a butterfly sanctuary. In the home stretch. See you in two weeks. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In an explosive article the Sun claims Epstein and Maxwell were running a Blackmail operation that involved trafficking young girls to the rich and powerful so that they could collect comprising information on them.Once they had the dirt..they had the man.Join me as we discuss this and more!!!(commercial at 6:57)You can contact me at:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/10414087/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-mossad-agents-politicians-sex-blackmail/amp/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

David Boies is a prominent American attorney known for his high-profile legal cases and involvement in various significant legal matters. Here is a summary of David Boies:Background: David Boies was born on March 11, 1941, in Sycamore, Illinois, USA. He earned his law degree from Yale Law School in 1966 and began his legal career as an associate at Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP.Legal Career: Boies gained national recognition for his exceptional legal skills and became a partner at Cravath. He later founded his own law firm, Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, which became renowned for handling complex and contentious legal cases.Notable Cases: Boies has been involved in several high-profile cases throughout his career, including:United States v. Microsoft: He represented the U.S. Department of Justice in the antitrust case against Microsoft in the late 1990s.Bush v. Gore: Boies represented Vice President Al Gore in the legal dispute over the 2000 U.S. presidential election results, arguing against George W. Bush's election as president.Hollingsworth v. Perry: Boies was part of the legal team challenging California's Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage. The case ultimately led to the legalization of same-sex marriage in California.Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co.: Boies represented Apple in the high-stakes patent infringement lawsuit against Samsung.Advocacy for Civil Rights: Boies has been a vocal advocate for civil rights, particularly in the areas of marriage equality and LGBTQ+ rights. His work on the Proposition 8 case and other related matters has made a significant impact on the legal landscape.Awards and Recognition: Boies has received numerous awards and honors for his legal career, including being named one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world in 2010.Books: He co-authored a book titled "Courting Justice: From New York Yankees v. Major League Baseball to Bush v. Gore, 1997-2000," which provides insights into his experiences in the legal field.We are now learning that David Boies charges over 2100 dollars an hour for his services and those services ended up costing the survivors close to 25 million dollars of the settlement. His cut was roughly 30%. (commercial at 7:13)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:David Boies reveals $2,110 billing rate in Deutsche Bank fee bid | ReutersThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Ghislaine Maxwell continues her crusade to expose the ills of her confinement. The only problem for her is, it's the same condition ALL prisoners find themselves in. What she wants isn't fair treatment, she wants and expects SPECIAL treatment. Unfortunately for her, that ship has sailed.(commercial at 12:14)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/ghislaine-maxwell-filed-more-than-100-complaints-over-jail-conditions/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

In this look back episode...Ghislaine Maxwell's case is being run by the public corruption unit instead of the violent crime's unit.The question is...why?(commercial at 11:18)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ghislaine-maxwells-case-being-handled-by-sdny-public-corruption-unit-could-spell-trouble-for-u-s-elites/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Ghislaine Maxwell has been set up with a job as a librarian at her new home in Florida. Her duties will include handing out legal forms as well as checking out books for other inmates. According to reports, this has made some of the other inmates upset with a source stating that they feel a job like that should be worked for. Let's dive in and see what's up!(commercial at 10:18)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/ghislaine-maxwell-does-shawshank-redemption-27879046This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

According to reports, Ghislaine Maxwell was still being invited to Jeff Bezos super high end retreats as late as 2018. As time goes on and more and more about Maxwell and her behavior is revealed, it's rather obvious that people like Bezos and Clinton and their relationship with one of the most notorious Human traffickers in history need a much deeper and longer look.(commercial at 8:30)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/01/jeffrey-epstein-friend-ghislaine-maxwell-was-guest-at-jeff-bezos-event.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

David Boies is a prominent American attorney known for his high-profile legal cases and involvement in various significant legal matters. Here is a summary of David Boies:Background: David Boies was born on March 11, 1941, in Sycamore, Illinois, USA. He earned his law degree from Yale Law School in 1966 and began his legal career as an associate at Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP.Legal Career: Boies gained national recognition for his exceptional legal skills and became a partner at Cravath. He later founded his own law firm, Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP, which became renowned for handling complex and contentious legal cases.Notable Cases: Boies has been involved in several high-profile cases throughout his career, including:United States v. Microsoft: He represented the U.S. Department of Justice in the antitrust case against Microsoft in the late 1990s.Bush v. Gore: Boies represented Vice President Al Gore in the legal dispute over the 2000 U.S. presidential election results, arguing against George W. Bush's election as president.Hollingsworth v. Perry: Boies was part of the legal team challenging California's Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage. The case ultimately led to the legalization of same-sex marriage in California.Apple Inc. v. Samsung Electronics Co.: Boies represented Apple in the high-stakes patent infringement lawsuit against Samsung.Advocacy for Civil Rights: Boies has been a vocal advocate for civil rights, particularly in the areas of marriage equality and LGBTQ+ rights. His work on the Proposition 8 case and other related matters has made a significant impact on the legal landscape.Awards and Recognition: Boies has received numerous awards and honors for his legal career, including being named one of Time magazine's 100 most influential people in the world in 2010.Books: He co-authored a book titled "Courting Justice: From New York Yankees v. Major League Baseball to Bush v. Gore, 1997-2000," which provides insights into his experiences in the legal field.We are now learning that David Boies charges over 2100 dollars an hour for his services and those services ended up costing the survivors close to 25 million dollars of the settlement. His cut was roughly 30%. (commercial at 7:13)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:David Boies reveals $2,110 billing rate in Deutsche Bank fee bid | ReutersThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

In this look back episode...Accusers have come forward in the Epstein case and allege years of abuse at the hands of the notorious pedophile. The youngest of these new accusers? She was only 11. It is just another example of how this depraved animal was left unchecked for decades.(Commercial at 10:25)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-jeffrey-epstein-victims-including-11-year-old-girl-come-forward-in-lawsuitThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

We take a journey back to 2015 in todays episode.In 2015 the world had moved on from Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes.So much so in fact the upper crust of society continued to associate with him.Today we take a look at what the picture showed us back then and we continue to ask the same question over and over...How did Epstein commit his crimes so brazenly out in the open??(commercial at 8:22)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/2015/02/06/sex-offender-who-mixes-princes-and-premiers-302877.html%3fampThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Alan Dershowitz is back at it in unhinged fashion in this interview and he wants you to know that Epstein wasn't a spy.(commercial at 11:53)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-was-not-spy-says-former-lawyer-alan-dershowitz-1526519This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

In what can only be called an absurdity, evidence that was collected during the first raid of Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse was left there when officers left the house and then that evidence conveniently got up and walked away. After an investigation it was concluded that Richard Kahn took the evidence from Epstein's townhouse but, it's all good because he returned it when asked.When confronted about this on the stand FBI agent Cathy Mcguire could not confirm if anything on the hard drives or any other documentation had been tampered with. So much for the chain of custody, eh?(commercial at 8:56)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsourcehttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/07/evidence-jeffrey-epsteins-safe-went-missing-fbi-raid-court-hears/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

According to Vicky Ward who has unreleased tapes of her conversations with Epstein, he told her that Ghislaine Maxwell was "Everything that he needed." In retrospect, he was right.(commercial at 10:23)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://nypost.com/2021/11/11/jeffrey-epstein-said-ghislaine-maxwell-is-the-best-at-what-i-need/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

On today's episode of the Occult Symbolism and Pop Culture with Isaac Weishaupt podcast we are working on a deep dive into the cast from That '70s Show! In Part 1 we're going to setup our multi-episode discussion about talk about some very strange Hollywood types mixed in with a very strange religion. Today we'll go through the cast of That '70s Show: Danny Masterson, Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunis, Wilmer Vadlerrama, Lisa Robin Kelly and Topher Grace. We'll focus in on the Danny Masterson trials, timelines, statements, Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis' supporting statements of Danny and subsequent apology tour, setting us up for Part 2 where we'll talk about the Church of Scientology and the Occult, then in Part 3 we'll deep dive into Ashton Kutcher, THORN, CIA, surveillance, Epstein, Clinton and more!Links:SHOW LOVE TO THE NEW SPONSOR! 1. Go to HelloFresh.com/50ospc and use code 50ospc for 50% off plus 15% off the next 2 months!Show sponsors- Get discounts while you support the show and do a little self improvement! 1. Go to HelloFresh.com/50ospc and use code 50ospc for 50% off plus 15% off the next 2 months! 2. ATTENTION CRYPTO NERDS!!! CopyMyCrypto.com/Isaac is where you can copy James McMahon's crypto holdings- listeners get access for just $13. BetterHelp: This episode is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try and get 10% off at betterhelp.com/illuminatiwatcher and get on your way to being your best self. 4. *Want to advertise/sponsor our show? Email Isaac at IlluminatiWatcher@gmail.com (*business inquiries only please- I'm a one man operation)GRIFTER ALLEY- get bonus content AND go commercial free + other perks:* APPLE PREMIUM: If you're on the Apple Podcasts app- just click the Premium button and you're in! *NO more ads *Early Access *EVERY BONUS EPISODE* PATREON: ad free, all the bonus shows, early access AND TWO OF MY BOOKS! (The Dark Path and Kubrick's Code); you can join the conversations with hundreds of other show supporters here: Patreon.com/IlluminatiWatcher (*Patreon is also NOW enabled to connect with Spotify! https://rb.gy/hcq13)* VIP: Due to the threat of censorship, I set up a Patreon-type system through MY OWN website! IIt's even setup the same: FREE ebooks, Kubrick's Code video! Sign up at: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/members-section/ * *****Want to check out the list of all 160+ bonus shows that are only available on Patreon and IlluminatiWatcher.com VIP Section?… I keep an index right here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/2941405More from Isaac- links and special offers:1. Check out another free podcast I make with my wife called the BREAKING SOCIAL NORMS podcast- it's all about the truther (me) lovingly debating conspiracies with a normie (my wife)! Go to BreakingSocialNorms.com You can get it free wherever you listen to podcasts (e.g. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/breaking-social-norms/id1557527024?uo=4). You can get the Uncensored and commercial-free option at Patreon.com/BreakingSocialNorms2. Index of EVERY episode of OSAPC Podcast going back to 2014! https://illuminatiwatcher.com/index-of-every-podcast-episode-of-occult-symbolism-and-pop-culture/3. Signed paperbacks, shirts, & other merch: f4. FREE BOOK: https://illuminatiwatcher.com/how-to-get-free-books/5. Isaac's books for Amazon and narrated for Audible: https://www.amazon.com/author/isaacweishaupt6. Subscribe to my NEW YouTube channel (*with most of the episodes in video form): https://www.youtube.com/@occultsymbolism7. *STATEMENT: This show is full of Isaac's useless opinions and presented for entertainment purposes. Audio clips used in Fair Use and taken from YouTube videos.*ALL Social Media, merch and other links:https://allmylinks.com/isaacwThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/3200989/advertisement

Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein allegedly met after her fathers death. Yet, there have always been reports claiming that Jeffrey Epstein and her father, Robert Maxwell were friends before Ghislaine and Epstein would find infamy together and that after her father died that Maxwell attempted to recreate her relationship with her father in some weird way with Epstein.(commercial at 8:18)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10707169/Ghislaine-Maxwell-shrunken-version-father-Roberts-death.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5003294/advertisement

Jefferey Epstein had an account with one of the top hair stylists in New York and he often brought groups of girls to the Salon to get their hair cut in a style that he chose.Today, we meet the man who owned that Salon.(commercial at 19:30)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-flaunted-girls-after-his-arrest-at-frederic-fekkais-hair-salon-for-the-starsThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

There is no doubt that people like Prince Andrew operate on a different playing field than the rest of us and that their power and influence go a long way to protect them from ever answering for their wrong doings. The Jeffrey Epstein Human Trafficking ring shines a line directly on this disparity and in this episode, we dive in.(Commercial at 12:08)To contact me:Bobbycapucci@protonmail.comSource:https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/09/04/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-royal-family-abuse-britain/This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

The Wall Street Journal has released a three part series detailing what a day in the life of Jeffrey Epstein was like, according to his calendar and to say that the names on the schedule are jaw dropping is an understatement.In this episode we dive back into the Wall Street Journal's piece on Epstein and continue the discussion about the so called elite that were breaking bread with him, even after he was a convicted sex offender.(commercial at 13:23)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:Jeffrey Epstein Documents, Part 2: Dinners with Lawrence Summers and Movie Screenings With Woody Allen (msn.com)This show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Prince Andrew has a lot of ridiculous ideas, but this one may take the cake. There are reports out that he might toy with the idea of writing a memoir in hopes that a tell all look behind the royal curtains would help him rehibilitate his image. In a long line of bad ideas, this one certainly ranks right up near the top.(commercial at 9:52)To contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1595174/royal-news-prince-Andrew-memoir-needs-moneyThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

In today's episode, we fire up the time machine and head back to 2011 where Prince Andrew was reportedly panicking about his relationship with Epstein and what it might mean for him and his position as Trade envoy. According to Ashkenazi at the time, Andrew was scared that he would love his gig. We also see how quick David Cameron and the English government was to jump to Prince Andrew's defense when the rumors began to swirl showing you just how far the enabling and protection for Prince Andrew went up the ladder.(commercial at 11:35)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1364248/Prince-Andrew-worried-Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-abuse-case-lose-envoy-role.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Prince Andrew was reportedly moved to tears after King Charles spiked his plans for a comeback. According to sources, Prince Andrew is besides himself and has no idea what to do with his time now that he has been shunned. Let's dive in!(commercial at 8:59)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11393805/Prince-Andrew-tearful-Charles-said-NEVER-return-Royal-duties.htmlThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Judge Rakoff has ruled that Jes Staley will get a chance to depose his accuser under oath before his case gets to trial. This comes after both sides went back and forth over the issue, with the accuser saying she was scared to reveal her identiy due to blowback. Judge Rakoff decided she will have to sit for the deposition, but with restrictions to keep her identity out of the public sphere.In our second article, we hear from Mrs. Main Character Syndrome herself, Victoria Hervey. Not only is she a Socialite, according to Mrs. Hervey she is also an undercover agent working on behalf of Ghislaine Maxwell Prince Andrew. Meanwhile, back in reality...(commercial at 9:15)to contact me:bobbycapucci@protonmail.comsource:EDEN CONFIDENTIAL: Lady Victoria Hervey claims 'there is hope' for disgraced socialite Ghislaine Maxwell | Daily Mail Onlinesource:Jes Staley Can Depose Assault Accuser in JPMorgan's Jeffrey Epstein Case - BloombergThis show is part of the Spreaker Prime Network, if you are interested in advertising on this podcast, contact us at https://www.spreaker.com/show/5080327/advertisement

Trigger Warning: We're talking about sibling sexual abuse in this episode. The links for sexual abuse hotlines are below. I've had so many guest interviews on SelfWork – really wonderful researchers and authors, therapists and thinkers. But there's something very special about someone coming forth to share their message when they've learned something the hard way – and they want to help others either through what they went through or to avoid it in the first place. Jane Epstein is this kind of person. She tells her story in this episode about how her life was dramatically impacted by her brother sexually abusing her. It took her years to put the pieces of the puzzle together, making connections between past and present that were difficult and painful to make – but also were freeing. Many of you who are listening may have experienced something similar – and have tried, as Jane did for many years – to sweep it under the rug. A stepsister or stepbrother, an older sibling – and you've blamed yourself. Or felt a shameful heaviness. Please know, you are far, far from alone. Advertiser's Links: We welcome back BiOptimizers and Magnesium Breakthrough as a returning sponsor to SelfWork and they have a new offer! Just click here! Make sure you use the code “selfwork10” to check out free product! Vital Links: Jane Epsteins TEDxBocaRaton Talk: Great sexual abuse website for sibling abuse: The 501-3-C non-profit 5WAVES.org - Jane's (and others) website for support International Sexual Abuse Hotline thru RAINN I want to thank Jane and all other survivors of abuse who've come forward. It takes tremendous courage. You can hear more about this and many other topics by listening to my podcast, The Selfwork Podcast.  Subscribe to my website and receive my weekly newsletter including a blog post and podcast! If you'd like to join my FaceBook closed group, then click here and answer the membership questions! Welcome! My book entitled Perfectly Hidden Depression is available here! Its message is specifically for those with a struggle with strong perfectionism which acts to mask underlying emotional pain. But the many self-help techniques described can be used by everyone who chooses to begin to address emotions long hidden away that are clouding and sabotaging your current life. And it's available in paperback, eBook or as an audiobook! And there's another way to send me a message! You can record by clicking below and ask your question or make a comment. You'll have 90 seconds to do so and that time goes quickly. By recording, you're giving SelfWork (and me) permission to use your voice on the podcast. I'll look forward to hearing from you! Episode Transcript: Speaker 1: Dr. Margaret This is SelfWork. And I'm Dr. Margaret Rutherford. At SelfWork, we'll discuss psychological and emotional issues common in today's world and what to do about them. I'm Dr. Margaret and SelfWork is a podcast dedicated to you taking just a few minutes today for your own selfwork. Welcome or welcome back to SelfWork. I'm Dr. Margaret Rutherford, and we have a wonderful guest for you today. I wanna make sure you hear however, that this episode does discuss sexual abuse, sibling sexual abuse. So please heed a trigger warning and we'll have sexual abuse hotline suggestions in the show notes. You know, I've had so many guest interviews here on Selfwork, really wonderful researchers and authors, therapists and thinkers. But there's something very special about someone coming forth to share their message when they've learned something the hard way, and they want to help others, either through what they went through or to avoid the experience in the first place. Jane Epstein is this kind of person. She tells her story in this episode about how her life was dramatically impacted by her brother sexually abusing her for a six year period of time. It took her years to put the pieces of the puzzle together, making connections between past and present that were difficult and painful to make, but also were very freeing. And I want to quickly say, many of you who are listening may have experienced something similar and have tried, as Jane did for many years, to sweep the memories under the rug. Maybe it was a stepsister or stepbrother, an older sibling, and you've blamed yourself or felt a shameful heaviness. So that's what we're talking about today on SelfWork. But before we continue, let's hear a brief message from Magnesium Breakthrough. You wanna give their product a try if you have too many sleepless nights, maybe from your own troubling memories. Magnesium Breakthrough Ad: I hope you truly enjoyed some time with family and friends this summer and got to take a break from the daily grind and enjoy your life. Perhaps you've indulged a bit on ice cream to beat the heat, or a margarita or two. 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Speaker 1: Dr. Margaret I should tell you before we begin, how I met Jane Epstein. She actually did a TEDx talk for Boca Ratone and I watched it and we had the same coach. That's sort of a neat bond for us to share, but we talk about our TEDx experience a little bit here too. So please listen to this episode. Please click the link to Jane's TEDx talk, which will be in the show notes, or go to my website, drmargaretrutherford.com, and you can find it there. Another website that Jane has told me about, which is really wonderful is www.siblingsexualtrauma.com. But just know you are far, far from alone. Speaker 1: Dr. Margaret I couldn't be happier to have you on SelfWork Jane, because I have listened to your TEDx many, many times. And we shared a coach, which was kind of fun. And so I, I looked at yours as to say, well, what would it be like to to work with Brian Miller? But I personally today wanna hear more about your story. About one of my questions as I looked at it is, how did you talk to your family about it? Or, or did you say, "No, it's my story to tell."  Just what and what made you, what brought you to TEDx in the first place? Speaker 2: Jane Epstein First of all, thank you for having me on your show. Of course, I, I have listened to a couple of your podcasts and I, I've listened to you and I've listened to your TEDx and you are very trauma informed, and you are very kind and compassionate and lots of wisdom. So I appreciate being on your puck. Thank you. First thing, what brought me to TEDx and how did I tell my family? Me, I don't remember the exact timeline, but I started Googling sibling sexual abuse and trauma, and I couldn't find anything on it. And I, I had this feeling that I wasn't the only one. I thought, I can't be the only person. 'cause I found two outdated articles that stated that it's a silent epidemic, right? I was, okay, well, if it's an epidemic, I'm clearly not the only six year old little girl. My my sibling who was 12 at the time, is not the only 12 year old child who, who an abused a sibling. So I just was called to start talking about it, and I reached out to my sibling. It was very awkward. And I expressed to him, I said, "I feel called to start talking about this and sharing my story because no one's talking about it. And it's a silent epidemic." And he said he understood and that he would support me in whatever way he can. Speaker 1: I get chill bumps when I hear that. Speaker 2: Yes. He, I'm, I have a very unique situation. I've been able to forgive him. I can call him and ask him questions. I'll say, I had this memory, is this true? And he's very careful to not give me more information. Mm-hmm. , because he knows I have enough to work with. I don't need any more triggers. I don't need any more memories. Mm-hmm. . And I also think that because of what happened between us, that he's hypervigilant and that he's got his eyes on other families, and that he sees that there could potentially be problems and sexual abuse occurring. And because sibling sexual abuse is so prevalent and not talked about, I think we are seeing things and not always able to put our finger on it. In Speaker 1: Your talk, you quote in your talk, you quote statistics like it's three to five times - It happens three to five times more than father daughter abuse, which is incredible. It starts earlier. It lasts for years often. So you're right. And it, it is something I, I remember I wrote a post on sex, uh, sibling sexual abuse. I got all kinds of comments. So yes, you're exactly right. Speaker 2: Yes. I listened to your podcast on the sibling sexual abuse, and it was very well done. Thank you. You're, you're very informed, . Thank you. So I started talking to my brother and I said, I need, we need to talk about this. We need to, we need to do this. Um, or I need to do this. And I had these great grand visions because there's so much work that needs to be done. Well, it's a marathon on its front . So I started pitching the media, it, my emails were either not opened or not responded to. One response was, "Well, we haven't ever talked about that, but if we do, we'll reach out". And I'm thinking, you're not gonna talk about it. So I come across a video with Brian Kenneth Miller, our joint TEDx coach. And he had gone through, what is a TEDx? What is a TEDx? Speaker 2: What is not a TEDx? Because I thought, "Well, I'll go on TEDx and I'll share my story and I'll raise the alarm bell." Well, TEDx is not sharing your story, but I thought, well, I'll book a call with him anyways. So I booked a call with him and he said, "A tough topic, but I think we could come up with something." So we started talking about it, and it is, it's a tough topic, it's a dark topic. And Brian was never told me this, but he was concerned, how am I gonna get on the TEDx stage? Mm-hmm. . So we started going down the path of how to support someone who's been through a traumatic event. And I was gonna slide sibling sexual abuse and trauma through the back door. Okay. Which would not have been a great talk because there's lots of how to support people who've gone through trauma. It would not have been Speaker 1: Not unique, Speaker 2: Impactful, not unique, not impactful. It might have gotten on stage, but not likely. So then I heard from TEDx Boca Raton, and I sat down with Eric and Eric said, look, you know, we like your idea, but we really wanna know more about the sibling sexual abuse and trauma. Can you talk just about that? And I said, yes, I can. And I pointed to all my research books and I started spouting off all these statistics. And he said, "Great, that's what we want you to talk about". And I said, excellent. And that's how it all started. And I didn't mean to be on the TEDx, it's just that's kind of where I landed. And I, you know, once I was approved and started practicing my TEDx talk, I started having all the anxieties of speaking in front of a large crowd, but practiced and practiced and practiced. And the day I got on that stage, I just, they basically, there's something magical about that red dot. Maybe it's true. I got on that red dot and all was okay. But I was shaking.. Speaker 1: Oh, I was perfectly calm. . Speaker 2: It's amazing what you can make, even though the camera, you know, the camera shows all, oh, it was done. Well, you did aYou did a really wonderful job. Speaker 1: And, and one of the things that I thought was so powerful about it, again, you've already mentioned it, was that your, your brother had, he had apologized, but then he had, you had written to him years later and he said, "Oh gosh, I didn't know this was still a thing for you." So I'm sure this solidified for him, again, the seriousness of the trauma, the impact that that had had on you, uh, and that it had, it had, uh, impacted your choices as an adult. And when you left home and it was, it was a elegant story. Well, it's, call it elegant is missing the point of that. It was very painfully uh, impactful. So, um, yeah, I mean, you made, you made some career choices that were obviously you trying to get back in control, but it didn't work. Speaker 2: Right. Right. And I'm not sure he understands the full impact. We've never sat down and, and talked about it. It's, it's like, it's a, it's a strained relationship. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: Um, but it, it's friendly enough in that I can reach out to him. I haven't reached out to him for a while, but I would can reach out to him and say, "I had this memory, is this a false memory? Is this true? Is this what happened?" And he is very careful the way he answers it, because he does, doesn't wanna trigger me and give me more memories. 'cause I have plenty to work with. Sure. He understands why I'm so public. He's not exactly thrilled about it. But, you know, I was in the People magazine and I had to run that by him. And, and the pictures, I ran the pictures by him. And that, it's hard. Uh, it's hard because it's putting him in a, in a, in a tough situation. But in my situation, in my story, my sibling is not a monster. My sibling is not a pedophile. My sibling caused a lot of harm, caused a lot of damage, caused a lot of trauma. And I, I have forgiven him. Um, and I'm not telling every survivor, you have to forgive to heal. That is not my, that's not my thing. It's just that's what worked for me. And it started by forgiving the little girl first, my little girl myself. And then I was able to forgive him. Speaker 1: Well, an aspect of this that I wanted to talk to you about a little bit more was you opened the talk by saying that you were in marital work with your husband, and your therapist turned to you and said, "I, I just don't get where all this anger is coming from. It doesn't seem to fit the situation." And, and then ask the very astute question of, "Is there something that might be, is triggered by what's going on with your husband? And that's what's, that's what we're seeing". And you, did you, did you connect the dots right then? Or did it take you a while? It took a while. It was your sexual abuse that was getting somehow, maybe you can talk about that a little bit. What was getting triggered with your husband? Speaker 2: Right. Many years before, before we were in counseling, something happened in the bedroom that, that triggered a memory. And that memory would not go away. Usually memories would come and go and I could put them away. And I thought it was just two kids being curious. That's not my problem. Speaker 1: Okay. Speaker 2: I thought because I'd lost, I lost my first husband to cancer and I got remarried to my, my husband. Now I try not to use current husband 'cause he doesn't like to be the current husband. . Speaker 1: Well, my husband calls Speaker 2: Himself Speaker 1: ) . We've been married 33 years, and he calls himself my current husband. So , Speaker 2: He's a good sport then. Yeah. . Yeah. So I had thought, I knew we had two small children. He had a stressful job. I had, I was still dealing with grief. And I thought, that's why I'm angry. That's why I am upset. That's why I was not depressed in my brain. I was not depressed because no, I had survived burying my first husband, and I survived that. So there's no way I could be depressed. Speaker 1: I have a, I have a book for you to read, . I know Speaker 2: You do. I am in that category. So we eventually went to marriage counseling and I went into the marriage counseling thinking, okay, he's gonna fix my husband, gonna fix him. Well, I had work to do too, fix too, when it comes to that. So we were in counseling for five years and we really had made a lot of progress. But I was still very, very angry. And I had asked myself, I had dug down and I thought, maybe it's something inside of me. I've tried to turn over every stone that maybe there's something inside of me that needs work. Mm-hmm. . So when the marriage counselor asked that question, I thought, well, there is this. My brother sexually abused me. There's that. And I approached it as, it can't be that because I participated. Right. So who am I to be messed up over that? Speaker 2: And the counselor, I kind of describe it as the deer in the headlights look. He's kinda like trying to sit still and kind of leaning in and trying to be very calm, realizing, okay, this is a big deal. No, what happened is a big deal. Right. And that it went on and off for six years. And that No, that was a big deal. And he said, "You're gonna need to tell Steve". And I said, huh. Steve's my husband. Mm-hmm. Current husband mm-hmm. . I said, oh, no, because then he'll be able to blame all our marriage problems on me. And he said, you need to be able to tell him to protect yourself in order and to, to be able to heal. So that's how that all started. And then I started a whole new healing process. Speaker 1: It's amazing. I've told a story on, on SelfWork about a woman. Um, and I already put a cautionary warning before we started. So great. Uh, a woman came in to see me who, um, it was the local community center. I literally had just gotten to Arkansas where I live now. And, and she said, you know, she told me about sexually abu abuse that her father had, um, had done to her. And then she, and there was this huge sense of relief. And then she came in the next week and she said, I've got something worse to tell you. So I sat back and said, all right. And she said, my dad made me do things to my brother . And she, she was a tough cowboy kind of woman. She had boots and, you know, she was farm girl. I mean, she was tough as nails. Speaker 1: And she teared up and, and we talked about it. And then she, she canceled her next appointment. And I called her and said, I'm, you've, you've shared so much with me, I'm a little concerned that you're not coming back in. Yeah. She said, well, okay, I'll come back in one more time. And she looked at me, Jane, and she said, I thought I would, I knew the look that would be on your face when I told you that I had done something to my brother. Because from her perspective, she had participated rather than being coerced herself. You know, it was, it was her doing something to her brother. And I said, you know, so, and she said, but the look on your face was not condemnation. It was, well, of course you did what your dad told you to do. Right. Um, and then there are other instances I I, uh, I mentioned before when we were just talking about a, a little girl who wore a red nightgown for her brother. Um, because she, she said, I enjoyed the attention. I knew something was wrong, but I, I didn't get any attention from anybody except from him. And so it was very complex and very complicated. But that whole idea of participation is so, um, is, is so confounding for any victim of sexual abuse, but especially with sibling sexual abuse, I think. Speaker 2: Yeah. And I, I wanna share with you that I've actually had some people who, when I, when I speak about the child who caused harm, there are situations where the child causes a lot more than harm. And I try and, and, and lower it a little bit so that parents hear me. Mm-hmm. , because if I scream your child, the pedophile or your child, the monster, your child, the perpetrator, they're not going to hear me. Right. 'cause if I talk about it in a more gentle as your child who caused harm, they're more likely to hear me. So that's why I approach it that way. But I understand that there are survivors out there where it was a lot more than harm. Yes, I understand that. Yes. But I have heard from people who have caused harm and they are suicidal. You're right. And so that's why we talk about this, because we don't want our children to be on any side of it. Speaker 2: Or I feel like if we raise awareness, if we educate our children, maybe we can lessen the numbers. You know, if we talk to our teenagers when they're 10, 12 and explore with them, say, Hey, you're experiencing a lot of changes. You've got a lot of questions. And I understand you may not be able to come to me as your parent, but you are at risk of harming another child, either a younger sibling or a cousin. And so we need to talk about this. What do you know when you have these feelings? And, and we need to talk about pornography. So that's why I I I am, it's an all encompassing, it's a whole family trauma. And, and I work very closely with the women of Five Wave, I dunno if you know anything about the Five Ways, but there's three parents and two survivors. Speaker 2: We've come together. And so the parents have shared their stories when they discover sibling sexual abuse and trauma in their homes and what the parents go through. Yes. What the survivor goes through, what the person who cause harm goes through. If we just talk about it and raise awareness and, and educate people and quit shoving it under the rug, maybe we can lift the numbers. Maybe we can get people help. Because you are a very, you're an informed therapist. You, you are very informed. A lot of therapists I've heard from survivors, they'll, they'll tell a survivor, well, you know, kids are curious. You are very informed. We need more of you . We really do. Speaker 1: Let me ask you something. Are there statistics? 'cause I'm not aware of them. If there are, and I'd love to know, um, about how many of the siblings be they girls or boys, we might point out it's not necessarily, um, and of course, or, or any gender identification. Um, absolutely. And how, what are the statistics on whether they have been abused themselves and then turn around and abused? Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we don't really have those statistics. We need more research. And the women of five Waves, we've actually had people, researchers are reaching out to us, asking us to share their surveys. So there is progress. Again, it's the marathon, not the sprint. So we are trying to gain more, more insight into that. And that's another thing is that I, I hear from survivors a lot. They reach out to me and they say, well, you know, my sibling did this to me, or my cousin did this to me, and then I did it to another child. And that there's shame on top of shame. Yes, indeed. And that happens a lot. Happens a lot. Mm-hmm. . But we don't have those statistics. Again, we need more research and we need more awareness and we need to be talking about it. And that, that's why I'm very loud. Speaker 1: What, what is the name of the organization that you Women of five. Speaker 2: (20:58) Okay. So it's called Five Waves Worldwide Awareness Speaker 1: (21:02) Wave. W A V E Ss. Correct. Speaker 2: (21:04) Worldwide Awareness, Voice, Education and Support. Okay. The way we came together, I've just been out there being very loud. And I am a moderator of a Facebook group for all types of survivors. And we kept having parents keep trying to join. And we're like, well, this is for survivors. So I went to find a parent support group, and through that I found a parent who had started a Facebook group for parents experiencing sibling sexual abuse and trauma in their homes. In their homes. So I reached out to her and I tried to join her group and she politely declined . And then I had a person reach out to me, Brandy Black, which is a pen name, to protect her family. Mm-hmm. . She said, look, it's been during Covid this happened in my home. I couldn't find any research, I couldn't find any resources on it. So I developed a website. Will you look at it? I promised my children to have a survivor look at it. And I said, whoa, this is amazing. Great. That's something I don't have to do. Was on my list. And I started looking at her website, Brandy Black. Speaker 1: (22:03) Oh, black. Okay. Speaker 2: (22:04) Black. I said, I can't get through this. I'm writing my TEDx. So I pulled in another survivor that I knew who was public, Maria Awa. And then I reached out to the woman who ran the Facebook group. And we all came together as 5WAVES. Oh, see. And the parents shared their stories. We shared their stories. So what we have through this organization, it's now 5 0 1 C three, is we are becoming thought leaders in this arena, or it's all out of a matter of, of, of caring. But we all have unique perspectives and we just wanna raise awareness. We want families to have support. We want families to have resources. We, you know, obviously one day we'd love to have this go away, but we aren't, you know, we aren't that optimistic. It, it's been going on forever. Speaker 1: Two cases come to mind that are the opposite. Um, both of them were difficult. One case, um, a case, one woman's story, um, was, uh, I was seeing the mother actually in therapy, and her daughter told her that her brother had sexually abused her. Um, the mother went to another state and confronted the, the brother. And he said, yes, he had, it took them probably it would took them years. I'm not sure how many, because the mother had to do her own work. The, the daughter, um, started working on herself. Um, 'cause she was definitely making choices that were very, um, tied to that,