Thoughts Regarding

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy and Natalie revisit a topic from S1: manifesting. In this episode, they do a Q&A style to go through the basics of the concept, ways they've applied it, and recommended sources for personal exploration.

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie discusses her favorite short story / book - "Who moved my cheese?" by Spencer Johnson

On this week's epsiode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy and Natalie discuss The Four Tendencies, a psychological concept created by Gretchen Rubin. Take the quiz to learn your tendency and tune in to hear how Lizzy and Natalie use to their tendency to understand themselves and others. Obsessions: Simply Piano Soul (Pixar Movie) Coola - self tanning

On this week's episode, the first of 2021, Natalie and Lizzy discuss the importance of letting go of the past and moving on to the future, including tips to do so. Products and books linked below!: Novel: The Last Flight Dior Lip Glow in Berry Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast

On this episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy discuss their opinions on resolutions, process for determining theirs, and their specific 2021 resolutions. Listen in to help get inspired for the start of a new year! Obsessions: Homegoing by Yaa Gyasi Glow Serum Who Moved My Cheese?

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy and Natalie discuss the principle of essentialism: a systemic discipline for discerning what is absolutely essential, then eliminating everything that is not to make the highest possible contribution towards the things that actually matter. End 2020 on a strong note as you learn how to actively choose between what is essential and non-essential in your life. Current Obsessions: Lizzy - Aritizia Cropped Hoodie & Industry on HBO Natalie - Zara Coat & The Selfish Gene Book

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie talks about why her #1 worst habit, snoozing the alarm, is so bad for your sleep and overall health. Lizzy and Natalie discuss how snoozing the alarm affects your REM cycle and tips on getting yourself out of bed and not snoozing. Links below: YSL The Shock Volumizing Mascara Netflix: Dating Around Bullet Journal evermore Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy approach a different type of topic: the history of economic systems (Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism). Lizzy puts on her AP World History teacher voice and explains the origin, main goal, and benefits of each economic system. Current Obsessions: Lizzy: Trader Joe's Seasonal Candle Queen's Gambit Spotify Singles Natalie:

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding Podcast, Natalie discusses positive affirmations - what the mean, how to practice them, and the countless benefits from them. Lizzy shares her advice on getting started and practicing them daily! The Last Guest House HOT TOOLS Professional 24K Gold One Step Dryer Volumizer ACURE Ultra Hydrating Green Juice Cleanser Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff Tiktok @nattysimko

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy and Natalie discuss the harmful impacts of extended stress and how to combat this by completing the "stress cycle" in hoping of avoiding burnout. Obsessions: Little Leaf DC Perfect Bar New Girl Outfit DC

Did you know that the gender wage costs women still, on average about 80 cents to the dollar? That's $10,194 less for full time working women than men in a year, on average! On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding Podcast, Natalie and Lizzy discuss the Gender Wage Gap, including the basic statistics, what causes the gender gap, the history, and more. To learn more about check out the links below!: Pay Scale (Gender Wage Gap Statistics) Vox: What People Miss About the Gender Wage Gap" Current obsessions: Novel: The Girl on the Train Booty Kicker (At Home Barre Bar) Novel: The Guest List Vitamix Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff Tiktok @nattysimko

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy and Natalie discuss the true meaning of emotional intelligence and Lizzy shares her important takeaways from Marc Brackett's book, Permission to Feel. Lizzy and Natalie practice using the RULER method, an evidence-based practice to regulate emotions and increase emotional intelligence. Obsessions linked below: - Dyson Fan - Ratched (TV Show) - My Favorite Murder - Pumpkin Cold Brew (Starbucks) Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff TikTok @nattysimko

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy talk about the new social media giant (and all its political drama) TikTok! Natalie shares her Love-Hate relationship with the app and Lizzy shares why she does not have it on her phone at all! Current obsessions / mentions linked below: Film: Greta Lawn Chair This is Not a Fashion Story The Original Makeup Eraser Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff TikTok @nattysimko

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy talk through the WOOP method (Wish, Outcome, Obstacles, Plan) and apply it to their goals for the week. This strategy is used to close the gap between your goals and reality. Links mentioned below: The Pilates Class Aritizia The Social Dilemma Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff Tiktok @nattysimko

Did you know that “The Pink Tax” costs women, on average, $1,400 more per year for buying the exact same products (essential products!) as men? On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding Podcast, Natalie and Lizzy discuss the Pink Tax, specifically touching on an overview of the pink tax, the statistics behind it, some of the products affected by The Pink Tax, arguments for and against the tax, and how to avoid and fight it. To learn more about The Pink Tax, check out axthepinktax.com. Links mentioned below: Drunk Elephant T.L.C. Sukari Babyfacial Mask Think Like a Monk by Jay Shetty Dear Girls by Ali Wong Fenty Mademoiselle Plush Matte Lipstick Gender Based Pricing Study Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff Tiktok @nattysimko

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy and Natalie share their experiences with "Imposter Syndrome," the feeling that 70% of people deal with in their careers of doubting their accomplishments with the fear of being exposed as a "fraud." Listen in to learn more about why people experience this type of anxiety and some solutions and tips to overcome it. Current Obsessions: Super Goop Sunscreen Mini Backpack The Gifts of Imperfection by Brene Brown Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff Tiktok @nattysimko

In the season opening for Season 2 of Thoughts Regarding Podcast, Lizzy and Natalie sit down (virtually) to talk to NYC fashion blogger, content creator and influencer, Lex of Lexicon of Style about Body Positivity. Lex candidly and openly shares what Body Positivity means to her, how it has changed for her over her life and what makes her feel confident and comfortable in her body! Thank you Lex for your openness and being such an inspiration to all! All links mentioned below: Current Obsessions: Laura Mercier Mattifying Oil-Free Moisturizer Dr. Jart+ Skincare Book: We Want to Do More Than Survive West Elm Industrial Storage Coffee Table Eyebrow Styling Soap "Soap Brows" Follow Lex on Instagram @lexiconofsyle Follow Thoughts Regarding on social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff

In this week's skincare mini-series episode, Natalie talks to her best friend Hayley Gonzalez about their new obsessions with the brand “The Ordinary”. They discuss the newly found hype around the brand, the products they use, and recommendations for trying or starting out! All products referred are linked below: Current Obsessions: REN Bio Retinoid Anti-Wrinkle Oil Ole Henriksen Banana Bright Vitamin C Serum The Ordinary: The Ordinary Squalane Cleanser The Ordinary Pycnogenol 5% The Ordinary Mandelic Acid 10% The Ordinary Retinol .2% The Ordinary (Serum) Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% The Ordinary Caffeine Solution 5% + EGCG AHA 30% + BHA 2% Peeling Solution Multi-Peptide Serum for Hair Density 100% Organic Cold-Pressed Moroccan Argan Oil Follow Hayley on Instagram @hayleyrecommends Follow us social media!: Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff

In this week's skin care mini series episode, Natalie discusses the amazing, gold standard, product, retinol (or sometimes referred to as Retin-A). She discusses what a retinol is, the difference between Retinol and Retin-A, how to use it, the benefits and side effects. All products referred are linked below: The Ordinary (Serum) Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% Drunk Elephant Protini Polypeptide Cream Drunk Elephant A-Passioni Retinol Cream REN Bio Retinoid Anti-Wrinkle Oil ROC RETINOL CORREXION Deep Wrinkle Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, @nataliesimko and @lggaff Tiktok @nattysimko

In part two of a two-part special episode, Natalie and Lizzy have a conversation with Monica Davis, a close friend, and mentor, weighing in on the black lives matter movement, anti-racist work, racial identity development, and resources for support on this journey. Links to the educational resources below: Book: The Nickel Book: Why Are All the Black Kids Sitting Together in the Cafeteria? Book: The Underground Railroad Book: Waking Up White: And Finding Myself in the Story of Race Book: The Vanishing Half Book: Blindspot: Hidden Biases of Good People Podcast: Serial Season Three Podcast: Atlanta Monster Show: True Justice: Bryan Stevenson's Fight for Equality (HBO) Police: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver

In part one of a two part special episode, Natalie and Lizzy have a conversation with Monica Davis, a close friend and mentor, weighing in on the black lives matter movement, anti-racist work, racial identity development, and resources for support on this journey. John Oliver, Last Week Tonight on Racist Police Violence and Routes to Reform

In the third skin care mini series episode, Natalie and Lizzy discuss which skin care and beauty products they buy at the drugstore and which ones they splurge on! Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In this week's skin care mini series episode, Natalie sits down with her roommate, Ciara, who was previously a guest star in season one! Ciara and Natalie discuss their summer skin care routines as well as the new products they are trying. Ciara also discusses a new book she has read all about skin care “Glow From Within”. All products discussed are linked below! Book: Glow From Within Glossier Milky Jelly Cleanser Biologique Recherche Lotion p50 Toner Ole Hendriksen Banana Bright Eye Creme The Ordinary Niacinamide 10% + Zinc 1% Serum Glossier Priming Moisturizer Glossier Invisible Shield Sunscreen SPF 35 Drunk Elephant A-Passioni Retinol Cream Drunk Elephant B-Hyrda Intensive Hydration Serum Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In the second part of the two part finale of season one of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy both discuss their love and obsession with the book, and concept, “Grit”, by Angela Duckworth. In this second part, Lizzy discusses finding passion and purpose, as well as long term goals. Natalie discusses practice and perseverance. Stay tuned for season two of Thoughts Regarding Podcast this coming July! Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In the first part of the two part finale of season one of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy both discuss their love and obsession with the book, and concept, “Grit”, by Angela Duckworth. In this first part, Natalie describes what grit is, what it means to be “gritty” and how effort counts twice as much as talent or skill in the “work, effort and talent” equation. Lizzy discusses why having grit matters and how to grow your grit! Links below on our current obsessions and mentions throughout: Amazon Echo Winner of the Pulitzer Prize: The Nickel Boys Glam Glow Gravity Mud Firming Treatment Chloe Ting's 2 Week Ab Shred Challenge Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On the first episode of the skin care mini series, Natalie discusses her recent research into discovering what a serum actually is. She talks about what she has learned, including, what a serum is, what it is used for, when it should be used as well as recommendations for trying out serum for the first time, or trying a new one! Products discussed linked below: Sol de Janeiro: Brazilian Bum Bum Cream The Ordinary: Niacinamide 10% Zinc 1% Kiehl's: Midnight Recovery Concentrate Ole Hendriksen: Banana Bright Vitamin C Serum Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy addresses the history of screen time, why it is important to pay attention to, and provides tips for how to decrease it. Natalie provides information on Face Yoga, a technique that could be used to replace botox! Links below on our current obsessions and mentions throughout. Ole Henriksen's Banana Bright Eye Cream Normal People by Sally Rooney Talentless sweatshirt/sweatpants Album: LEON Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode, Lizzy talks about the seemingly intimidating topic, manifesting! She discusses how she first heard about it, where she continues to hear about it, how it can be used to reach your long term life goals and how picturing and describing your “best self” is a good place to start. Another good way to start manifesting is by doing a mood board! Natalie discusses what a mood board is and how you can do it virtually and physically. See the links below on our current obsessions and mentions throughout. The Ordinary AHA 30% + BHA 25% Peeling Solution Baked and Wired Supra Beach Body On Demand Novel: Normal People Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff Twitter @thoughtsregard, and Pinterest @ “thoughts regarding podcast”

This week's episode covers two super relevant topics for today's working world - habits and work life balance! Lizzy talks about the science behind habits, why they are important and why forming them the right way works, as well as discusses her favorite books on learning how to develop powerful and positive habits. Natalie talks about her on-going battle with work life balance and what she has found to help her the most! Links below on our current obsessions and mentions throughout. Book: Atomic Habits by James Clear Book: The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg Nailtiques Formula 2 Plus Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast, Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff Twitter @thoughtsregard, and Pinterest @ “thoughts regarding podcast”

In the latest mini epsiode, Lizzy talks with her brother, Drew, about his experience during COVID-19 social distancing. Listen to hear Drew's inspiring and realistic words about how he's making it through this time.

This week's episode covers both yoga and meditation. Natalie talks about her journey with yoga, how it has changed her life mentally and physically, and how her understanding of yoga has changed after reading a book last year on the origins and principles of yoga - Bringing Yoga to Life by Donna Farhi. Lizzy talks about mediation and how she has developed a love for it over the past half year and all of the health benefits it gives you! Links below on our current obsessions and mentions throughout the episode: Book by Donna Farhi: Bringing Yoga to Life Book by Erika L. Sánchez: I Am Not Your Perfect Mexican Daughter Monday Swimwear: Tulum Bottom in Paprika Monday Swimwear: Clovelly Top in Paprika Conscious Crop in Powervita by Athleta Corepower Yoga on Demand Check out @the_yoga_collective_ and @where_is_my_yoga on Instagram for more virtual yoga offerings with amazing instructors! Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy interview Washington, D.C., vlogger Amy Rauch! Amy reveals what it is like to be a YouTube blogger and work a 9-5 job. She shares her current obsessions, favorite coffee shops in D.C. and sheds light on her favorite and least favorite parts of being vlogger are. Thanks for joining us, Amy! Watch and subscribe to her channel on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/user/amydrauch Current Obsessions: Laura Mercier - Caviar Stick Eye Shadow Flamingo - Body Lotion Little Fires Everywhere (Novel) OLEHENRIKSEN - Cold Plunge Pore Mask Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard. Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy talks about the different stages of motivation (spoiler alert: motivation isn't constant!) and how we can use this to support ourselves during this trying time. Natalie gives a run down of her favorite board games and talks about how we can use them to keep ourselves entertained at home.

On this week's mini epsiode we have one of our best friends that lives in DC with us - Mary Murphy. Mary Murphy is a NICU nurse in Virginia - she handles little babies! It's so empowering to hear the stories of healthcare workers during this time, and comforting to hear how much support and appreciation (very much deserved) that they are receiving. Liste to this episode to learn what it's like working in a hospital right now. THANK YOU AND ALL ESSENTIAL WORKERS FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO! We love you Nurse Murphy!! Make sure to check out her hand lettering and modern calligraphy company on Instagram! @thesimplescript Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy offer some inspiration and tips on how to handle these trying times with a positive mindset and organized schedule. Lizzy, specifically talks about the philosophy "stoicism" and how it can be used to develop mental strength and resilience. Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff Links to mentions in the episode below: The Daily Stoic The Stoic Challenge My Dark Vanessa Glossier Mascara

Episode 6 of the mini episode series on social distancing features Natalie's first best friend from college and her and Lizzy's roommate, Courtney Davis! Courtney has been an important part in Natalie and Lizzy's lives for so long, she now lives in LA and works in advertising within brand strategy at a media agency! She talks about how keeping active and journaling has been key to keeping a positive and motivating routine. Her current obsession is pretty ingenious too! Listen to make yourself feel better about all of the random snacks you have been eating during quarantine because we promise we are eating just as much and have done some desperate things to get more hehe. Book: Then She Was Gone Indoor Cycling Bike Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

Episode 5 of the mini episode series on social distancing features Lizzy and Natalie's friend, who currently lives in Santa Monica, California, Kate Sims! Kate provides her perspective on searching for a new job in the current economic conditions, her new rescue pup dog Dodger, and how she is using this time to self reflect and learn a new way to cope with times of adversity. She also shares fun ideas for hobbies that she has picked up over the past month. Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, the theme is love. Natalie explains the five love languages and Lizzy provides information and tips about dating apps. Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

Episode 4 of the mini episode series on social distancing features Lizzy and Natalie's old roommate, Chelsea Davis! Chelsea now lives in LA and has been killing it for the past three years in her music management position / career! She talks about how keeping a routine and starting out each day on a positive note has allowed her to see the silver lining in this weird time. Listen to the episode if you want to hear more about ways to listen to your favorite artists virtually (live DJ sets?!?) and if you need more convincing to start Westworld (Chez is the one friend we can count on to appreciate the best show ever) Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In the third episode of the social distancing mini series, Natalie video conferences in her best friend Kate Dixon! Natalie and Kate met in college on Semester at Sea and in this episode talk about how to see the silver lining and practice gratitude in difficult times. Kate shares how this time has been a reset for her and her advice for staying motivated and positive. Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie and Lizzy discuss two topics that could be particularly helpful in creating a routine in this time of social distancing: sleep and productivity. Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams SATED Sleep Questionnaire The Power of Habit 7 Habits of Highly Effective People Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In the second episode of the social distancing mini series, Natalie video conferences in her best friend who currently lives in California, Hayley Gonzalez! Natalie and Hayley met in college on Semester at Sea and in this episode talk stories from being abroad, as well as and tips and advice for social distancing. Hayley shares her recent travel experience and her best advice on staying focused when working from home! Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In the newest mini episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie, Lizzy, and the latest guest star, Natalie's sister, Shannon, talk about their initial experiences with social distancing. Listen in for advice about what to do with extended time at home and how to maintain a routine. Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

Natalie gives her overview of the first two seasons of her favorite show, Westworld, an HBO show based in the future. Season 3 just released this week, so check it out on HBO! Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy gives a history lesson about pandemics over time and Natalie provides her expertise on working from home. Washington Post Article on How to "Flatten the Curve" and stop the spread Glossier Balm Dotcom Rhodia Bullet Journal Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Lizzy and Natalie discuss the sunday scaries phenomenon while having the scaries. Ciara Delehanty, the very first guest star, discusses her skin care routine. A Long Petal of the Sea Into the Gloss *all products are shown on our instagram* Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding Podcast, Natalie and Lizzy cover topics about idenitities. First, they address the most popular personality test: Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI). Second, they discuss astrology and how it has been used throughout history. Fun fact: Natalie and Lizzy are both INFJ and Cancer! Myers-Briggs Type Indicator Test Our favorite Astrology app: co-star Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In this mini epsiode of the Thoughts Regarding Podcast, Lizzy and Natalie try to answer questions about each other. Get to know these podcasters and listen to the episode to hear how closely their answers match up! Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

In this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie talks to the history teacher, Lizzy, about her favorite historical figure, Albert Einstein, and several others. Lizzy takes on the lighthearted topic, which is her organizational secret weapon: bullet journaling. The Bullet Journal Method Book Bullet Journal Albert Einstein Documentary Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff

On this week's episode of Thoughts Regarding, Natalie explores one of her favorite topics: dreams. We get to hear about her premonitions and the psychology behind dreams in general. Lizzy takes on the more lighthearted topic and covers the awkwardness of cringeworthy moments and how to make them stop. Cringeworthy: A Theory of Awkwardness The Mind Explained (Netflix) - Dreams Follow us on social media! Instagram @thoughtsregardingpodcast & Twitter @thoughtsregard Natalie @nataliesimko and Lizzy @lggaff