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This podcast is presented by PROSAFE Solutions. We talk about the new view of safety, human performance, leadership, and culture improvement. Pam and Mike will have ongoing conversations about these topics as well as interviews with other safety professionals on the journey of continuous improvement and learning.

Mike McCarroll & Pamela Fisher


    • Nov 22, 2021 LATEST EPISODE
    • infrequent NEW EPISODES
    • 28m AVG DURATION
    • 45 EPISODES


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    Latest episodes from Get REAL About Safety

    Construction Safety - "The Way it Was"

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 22, 2021 73:31


    The Alec Baldwin Shooting Incident-A Human Performance Case Study

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 8, 2021 48:47


    The Problems With Safety Training

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 3, 2021 38:54


    The Problem With JHAs

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 18, 2021 16:44


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    Memories Are Not Evidence

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 6, 2021 14:53


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    That's NOT Human Performance!

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 20, 2021 22:22


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    Assume The Worst

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 6, 2021 21:50


    You Can't Fix Stupid

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 23, 2021 18:54


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    You Don't Have a Safety Problem

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 19, 2021 17:23


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    Get REAL....The Top 4 Motivators for Employee Engagement

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 25, 2021 19:22


    Traditional "Crime & Punishment" models of safety tend to disengage workers. Mike discusses the largest and most statistically valid study ever conducted on employee engagement and motivation. Creating a safety culture based on the top 4 motivators will transform your organization.

    The Myth of Situational Awareness

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2021 21:21


    Attention is a finite resource. However, many traditional "accident investigations" tend to identify lack of situational awareness as a cause rather than a symptom of a deeper issue. Mike discusses how organizations need to move beyond judgmental statements to understanding how attention works.

    Management Accountability - The Engine That Drives Safety

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 6, 2021 51:34


    If there is any one area of safety management in which organizations struggle it is how to drive the safety performance of managers and supervisors. Mike discusses the difference between responsibility and accountability and some ways to develop a formalized accountability system.

    NFPA 70E-2021 and Human Performance

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 12, 2021 38:59


    One mistake can get you killed in electrical work. NFPA 70E - 2021 addresses Human Performance. Mike and Pam discuss how errors occur in electrical work and how following HP principles help to not only reduce the potential but save lives.

    Managing crane rigging through the eyes of systems-thinking

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 21, 2020 57:10


    Pam talks with Sam Socolow and Philip Greisen about the challenges of managing rigging, with the understanding that all riggers, no matter how experienced or qualified, will eventually make mistakes.

    Winter Is Coming

    Play Episode Listen Later Dec 1, 2020 63:40


    Pam talks to Lisa Capacik, Nicole Ivers and Hilarie Warren about the current status of COVID 19 in the workplace. We talk about the challenges of travel during the holidays, COVID fatigue and increasing issues with worker stress and anxiety.

    Safety Stand Downs Are Stupid

    Play Episode Listen Later Nov 17, 2020 12:32


    Pam talks about how some safety Stand Downs are pretty stupid. However, they can be a great way to bridge the communication gap between management and workers. Some suggestions for improving your process are discussed.

    Complacency Is A Cop-out

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 30, 2020 12:30


    Pam discusses the unfortunate default language, i.e. "complacency" and "failure to pay attention", often used post event. Use of these terms indicate a lack of understanding of human performance principles and does not offer value in event analysis.

    The Gorilla in the Room

    Play Episode Listen Later Oct 26, 2020 22:01


    Culpability is the gorilla in the room for most managers trying to understand Human Performance (or The New View of Safety). Mike will discuss a Human Performance approach to fair and balanced accountability.

    A Piece of Paper Never Saved a Life

    Play Episode Listen Later Sep 21, 2020 13:43


    Pam discusses our over reliance on paper for managing safety, especially after an event. Knee jerk reactions to creating procedures typically result in more complicated and unworkable procedures, particularly when done without worker involvement.

    Interview with David Lynn, President of Peak Safety Performance

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 17, 2020 46:13


    Mike conducts an interview with David Lynn, President of Peak Safety Performance in Greenville, SC. David's company provides safety performance improvement services including leadership development and human performance.

    The Deming Factor

    Play Episode Listen Later Aug 10, 2020 17:04


    Mike discusses the landmark contributions of W. Edwards Deming to quality improvement and how those principles mirror Human Performance or The New View of safety.

    The Robins and Morton Journey - Interview with Jeff Palombo

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 27, 2020 55:59


    Robins and Morton has experienced an amazing culture transformation over the past several years. Jeff Palombo, Vice President of Safety Operations discusses their journey from culture assessment to Human Performance.

    Science-Based Safety and COVID-19

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 20, 2020 9:29


    Pam discusses the clash between science and politics in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis in contrast to the 1918 pandemic.

    The Power of Vision

    Play Episode Listen Later Jul 13, 2020 26:43


    One of the most underestimated yet most important requirement for sustainable culture change is a powerful and compelling vision. Mike discusses how a great vision motivates the workforce to help achieve an organization's desired future state.

    Information is the Lifeblood of Your Safety Culture

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 29, 2020 44:55


    Pam talks to Nicole Ivers about the importance of reporting and some of the barriers to reporting.

    Stuck in the Nineties

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 22, 2020 26:30


    Inspired by Jeff Foxworthy's "You Might Be A Redneck", Mike discusses several ways you can tell if your safety process is behind the times.

    Understanding Performance Modes

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 15, 2020 22:41


    Understanding performance modes opens up a new view of how human error occurs and is critical to event analysis.

    Your Workers are Drunk

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 8, 2020 13:56


    This episode discusses how fatigue effects performance and human error.

    Interview with Philip Greisen - Certified John Maxwell Leadership Trainer

    Play Episode Listen Later Jun 1, 2020 55:12


    Mike interviews Philip Greisen, Certified John Maxwell Leadership Trainer. Leadership is crucial to the development of an effective safety culture. Philip discusses what true leadership is all about, how organizations can develop leadership among its managers and supervisors, and it's impact on sustaining the Human Performance operating philosophy.

    How Bias Clouds Our Understanding of Events

    Play Episode Listen Later May 18, 2020 24:53


    Mike McCarroll discusses nine biases and two brain illusions that tend to cloud our understanding during investigations of accidents, near-misses, or quality/production/customer service events. When facilitating Human Performance Learning Teams, it is critical to understand and manage bias to gain a full understanding and assure accuracy.

    Principles of Human Performance - An Overview

    Play Episode Listen Later May 15, 2020 24:43


    Mike McCarroll provides an overview of the six principles of Human Performance. He discusses how these principles frame the operating philosophy and help guide the organizational behavior necessary for success.

    Risk Perception In A COVID-19 World

    Play Episode Listen Later May 8, 2020 12:42


    Pam discusses risk perception during the current COVID-19 crisis. Also available on YouTube as a videocast.

    The New View

    Play Episode Listen Later May 1, 2020 26:02


    Mike and Pam discuss the New View of Human Performance and how it differs significantly from old view thinking. They discuss how HP is a game-changer in terms of organizational performance improvement.

    Part II COVID-19 Managing Construction Exposures

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 27, 2020 46:27


    Pam continues her discussion on managing COVID-19 exposures in construction. Special guests include Lisa Capacik, CHST, CSP with Brasfield & Gorrie and Nicole Ivers, CIH, CSP, CMIOSH with Batson-Cook.

    The Inevitable Drift - Special Covid-19 Edition

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 20, 2020 10:01


    Mike and Pam talk about organizational drift in light of the COVID-19 crisis.

    What Workers Say - Part 1

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 15, 2020 20:12


    Pam and Mike talk about the actual comments worker's make about safety during culture assessment focus group interviews.

    COVID-19 managing exposures in construction

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2020 53:15


    In this Special Edition episode, Pam talks with industry experts in construction safety and health about how to manage COVID-19 exposures while doing essential construction. This podcast is from a videocast by the same title, available on YouTube.

    Stop The Insanity About OSHA Recordable Rates

    Play Episode Listen Later Apr 1, 2020 29:24


    Mike discusses the problems of over-focusing lagging indicators, in particular the OSHA recordable rate.

    Special COVID-19 Episode (Resilience)

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 25, 2020 15:19


    Mike and Pam discuss the concept of resilience both on an organizational and personal level and the link to the current COVID-19 situation.

    Safety People Suck

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 15, 2020 16:00


    Pam expresses her frustrations regarding safety folks who do not represent our profession and do harm to perceptions of safety.

    Human Performance - What Is It?

    Play Episode Listen Later Mar 1, 2020 23:29


    In this episode Mike discusses the field of human performance, or the New View of safety.

    To Err Is Human

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 15, 2020 17:51


    Pam and Mike discuss the topic of human error. Error is one of the most misunderstood areas of safety and organizational performance. It is often viewed as a willful and punishable violation. It is not. Understanding error lies at the heart of the Human Performance movement that is changing the way safety is practiced.

    Employee Buy-In is BS

    Play Episode Listen Later Feb 1, 2020 11:47


    Pam talks about her frustrations with people blaming workers for not "buying into" safety when the real issue lies within the management system and failure of leadership.

    The Fallacy of Zero

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 15, 2020 16:27


    Mike McCarroll discusses how zero incident goals lead organizations down a path of failure. He discusses why zero cannot be an effective goal and how managers lose credibility in the eyes of workers when using it. This concept is fundamental to beginning the journey towards the new view of human performance.

    Get REAL About Safety Intro

    Play Episode Listen Later Jan 13, 2020 10:50


    This episode is an introduction to our new podcast "Get REAL About Safety". Pam and Mike discuss their backgrounds, experiences and the journey they have been on towards a new view of safety. The new view recognizes all humans make errors and that focusing on fixing people the worker is doomed to fail. Fix the system, not the worker.

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