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Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnPsychatog players — this one's for you.In this episode, Zac sits down with Adam, the Psychatog aficionado of the Premodern community, to break down exactly why this classic control-combo hybrid still competes at the highest levels of the format.This isn't just a deck tech — it's a philosophy session on how Psychatog actually works.We explore:• The true identity of Psychatog (not just control, not just combo)• Why free spells matter more than ever• How to survive turn-one Lackey, turn-two Survival, or StifleNought• What bounce spells really do in this list• Why Prohibit over Counterspell in this build• Why your graveyard isn't as fragile as players think• How to “stay alive → maintain parity → take over”• Early game heuristics, mulligans, and turn sequencing• How to make Duress feel like the strongest card in the deck• Short math vs. full math on Psychatog kills• Why graveyard hate almost NEVER beats Tog• The role of Cunning Wish and the surprise Shallow Grave line• The real weaknesses of the deck & how to patch themIf you're trying to learn Premodern Psychatog from the ground up — or refine your play at the highest level — this breakdown will level up your whole approach.⭐ Want the Full Matchup Guide? https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesWe cover: Survival, Goblins, StifleNought, Replenish, Parfait, Stasis, Tide, Elves, Landstill, Ponza, Oath, and more in the Patreon-only extended episode:JOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

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Zac and Phil go deep on Magic: The Gathering's growing obsession with outside IPs, asking the big question — when did “nods” become “crossovers”?In this episode, they explore how Magic evolved from subtle flavor callbacks (like Theros's Greek myth inspiration or Arabian Nights' literary roots) to full-on Universes Beyond product lines. The conversation spans design philosophy, flavor theory, and even a little literary criticism — all centered on why Magic feels different now.From Avatar: The Last Airbender to Spider-Man and beyond, the guys debate what makes some collaborations work and others feel… off. Is it art style? Setting? Narrative tone? Or is it that Magic used to suggest connections rather than define them?

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnIn this Premodern Sideboard Guide, Zac and Phil break down how to pilot Landstill through the toughest matchups in the format — from fast combo decks to grindy midrange battles.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnIn this week's episode of Eternal Durdles, Zac and Phil dive deep into the upcoming Legacy Banned & Restricted announcement — and ask the real question: What if Wizards of the Coast actually did something?

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil discuss their excitement for LobsterCon, a gaming event they look forward to each year. They share their experiences of pre-modern gaming, the vibrant community atmosphere, and the fun of playing games late into the night. The conversation also touches on personal celebrations, such as birthdays, and how these events intertwine with their gaming experiences.TakeawaysLobsterCon is a highly anticipated event for Zac.The experience of playing pre-modern games is akin to a vibrant community gathering.The atmosphere at gaming events is filled with excitement and camaraderie.Celebrating personal milestones like birthdays at gaming events adds to the joy.Late-night gaming sessions create memorable experiences.Food plays a significant role in the enjoyment of gaming events.The connection between friends is strengthened through shared gaming experiences.Events like LobsterCon foster a sense of belonging in the gaming community.The joy of gaming can sometimes lead to humorous situations.Balancing personal relationships with gaming passions can be challenging.TitlesThe Excitement of LobsterConGaming Vibes and CommunityChapters00:00 LobsterCon Registration Announcement00:07 LobsterCon Experience and Community01:00 Exploring Deck StrategiesJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and ForceofPhil discuss various unforced errors in the corporate decision making of Hasbro in regard to Magic: The Gathering, particularly focusing on the implications of the game's curation, the subjective nature of art direction, and the challenges of balancing competitive and casual play. They explore how player experience is affected by these design choices and the need for better format curation over power level curation. The discussion also touches on the impact of new players on the community and the potential for redefining product design to better suit different formats.TakeawaysThe reserve list may unintentionally limit the value of older cards.Unforced errors in game design can lead to player frustration.Art direction in Magic: The Gathering is highly subjective.Power creep is a significant issue that needs addressing.Player experience should be prioritized over merely increasing the player base.Many players are exploring other games due to dissatisfaction with Magic.There is a need for clearer delineation between products for different formats.The game has not adequately adapted to the rise of Commander as a format.Product creep is overwhelming for players and can lead to disengagement.Curating the player experience can revitalize interest in the game.Chapters00:00 Unpacking the Unforced Errors of Magic: The Gathering01:10 Unforced Errors in Game Design02:51 Format Curation vs. Power Level03:57 Art Direction and Player Experience05:01 Respecting Franchise Players06:52 Exploring Other Games09:15 Commander vs. 1v1 Design Challenges14:56 Product Creep and Player FrustrationJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and ForceofPhil discuss various unforced errors in the corporate decision making of Hasbro in regard to Magic: The Gathering, particularly focusing on the implications of the game's curation, the subjective nature of art direction, and the challenges of balancing competitive and casual play. They explore how player experience is affected by these design choices and the need for better format curation over power level curation. The discussion also touches on the impact of new players on the community and the potential for redefining product design to better suit different formats.TakeawaysThe reserve list may unintentionally limit the value of older cards.Unforced errors in game design can lead to player frustration.Art direction in Magic: The Gathering is highly subjective.Power creep is a significant issue that needs addressing.Player experience should be prioritized over merely increasing the player base.Many players are exploring other games due to dissatisfaction with Magic.There is a need for clearer delineation between products for different formats.The game has not adequately adapted to the rise of Commander as a format.Product creep is overwhelming for players and can lead to disengagement.Curating the player experience can revitalize interest in the game.Chapters00:00 Unpacking the Unforced Errors of Magic: The Gathering01:10 Unforced Errors in Game Design02:51 Format Curation vs. Power Level03:57 Art Direction and Player Experience05:01 Respecting Franchise Players06:52 Exploring Other Games09:15 Commander vs. 1v1 Design Challenges14:56 Product Creep and Player FrustrationJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Zac Clark and ForceofPhil dive into the exciting world of Value Vintage, discussing deck building strategies, innovative card choices, and the evolving landscape of the Vintage format. They explore various deck synergies, share insights on community engagement, and reflect on the thrill of discovering budget-friendly cards. The conversation highlights the importance of creativity in deck construction and the joy of participating in the Magic: The Gathering community.TakeawaysValue Vintage allows for creative deck building on a budget.Decks can be built for under $30, making it accessible.Screenshots are needed to prove deck prices for events.Infinite life strategies can be effective in gameplay.Community engagement enhances the experience of playing Vintage.Exploring the bulk bin can yield valuable cards.Innovative card choices can lead to unique strategies.The format encourages experimentation and creativity.Legacy decks can find new life in Value Vintage.The excitement of upcoming events drives community participation.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Value Vintage02:53 Deck Building Strategies05:34 Exploring Deck Synergies08:38 Innovative Card Choices11:25 The Future of Value Vintage16:28 Deck Building Dilemmas19:00 Exploring Vintage Value20:53 Nostalgia and Card Discovery24:43 Strategizing for Value Vintage26:32 Creative Brewing Ideas

Zac Clark and ForceofPhil dive into the exciting world of Value Vintage, discussing deck building strategies, innovative card choices, and the evolving landscape of the Vintage format. They explore various deck synergies, share insights on community engagement, and reflect on the thrill of discovering budget-friendly cards. The conversation highlights the importance of creativity in deck construction and the joy of participating in the Magic: The Gathering community.TakeawaysValue Vintage allows for creative deck building on a budget.Decks can be built for under $30, making it accessible.Screenshots are needed to prove deck prices for events.Infinite life strategies can be effective in gameplay.Community engagement enhances the experience of playing Vintage.Exploring the bulk bin can yield valuable cards.Innovative card choices can lead to unique strategies.The format encourages experimentation and creativity.Legacy decks can find new life in Value Vintage.The excitement of upcoming events drives community participation.Chapters00:00 Introduction to Value Vintage02:53 Deck Building Strategies05:34 Exploring Deck Synergies08:38 Innovative Card Choices11:25 The Future of Value Vintage16:28 Deck Building Dilemmas19:00 Exploring Vintage Value20:53 Nostalgia and Card Discovery24:43 Strategizing for Value Vintage26:32 Creative Brewing Ideas

Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of deck archetypes in Premodern, focusing on the dichotomy between synergy-based and combo-based strategies. They explore various decks, analyzing their win conditions and the importance of specific cards versus overall synergy. The discussion also touches on notable decks like Psychotog, Stasis, and Chance Control, debating their effectiveness and strategies. The conversation concludes with a call to action for community engagement through Patreon support.TakeawaysThere are two macro archetypes: deck synergy and card combo.Survival of the Fittest straddles the line between synergy and one-card strategy.Control decks aim to outlast opponents rather than rely on a single card.Psychotog can be seen as a control strategy rather than a one-card deck.Stasis has issues with finding the card consistently in gameplay.Black Vice may not be effective in many matchups.Chance Control combines elements of combo and control strategies.Decks like Goblins rely on synergy rather than a single win condition.Community engagement is vital for content creators.Players should consider their deck preferences and strategies.Chapters00:00 Macro Archetypes in Deck Building01:59 Analyzing Deck Strategies04:36 Control Decks and Their Goals09:23 Straddling the Line: Psychotog12:34 The Role of Parallax Tide16:53 Stasis and Its Challenges21:52 Exploring Green Stompy22:22 Chance Control: A Combo Control Deck

Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of deck archetypes in Premodern, focusing on the dichotomy between synergy-based and combo-based strategies. They explore various decks, analyzing their win conditions and the importance of specific cards versus overall synergy. The discussion also touches on notable decks like Psychotog, Stasis, and Chance Control, debating their effectiveness and strategies. The conversation concludes with a call to action for community engagement through Patreon support.TakeawaysThere are two macro archetypes: deck synergy and card combo.Survival of the Fittest straddles the line between synergy and one-card strategy.Control decks aim to outlast opponents rather than rely on a single card.Psychotog can be seen as a control strategy rather than a one-card deck.Stasis has issues with finding the card consistently in gameplay.Black Vice may not be effective in many matchups.Chance Control combines elements of combo and control strategies.Decks like Goblins rely on synergy rather than a single win condition.Community engagement is vital for content creators.Players should consider their deck preferences and strategies.Chapters00:00 Macro Archetypes in Deck Building01:59 Analyzing Deck Strategies04:36 Control Decks and Their Goals09:23 Straddling the Line: Psychotog12:34 The Role of Parallax Tide16:53 Stasis and Its Challenges21:52 Exploring Green Stompy22:22 Chance Control: A Combo Control Deck

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of the Mono Blue Dreadnought deck in Magic: The Gathering. They discuss its mechanics, strategies, and the importance of card interactions and tempo. The duo also analyzes various matchups, including Goblins and Burn, and explores the effectiveness of the pivot plan in different scenarios. The conversation highlights the significance of trample as a mechanic and the deck's adaptability in the current meta. In this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into advanced strategies for playing Dreadnought decks in various matchups. They discuss the importance of sideboarding, understanding opponent strategies, and the significance of key spells in determining the outcome of games. The conversation covers specific decks such as Replenish, Survival, Parallax Tide, Elves, Ponza, and Parfait, providing insights into how to navigate these matchups effectively. The discussion emphasizes the need for adaptability and strategic thinking in the ever-evolving landscape of Magic: The Gathering.Decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/ZV3KzKrm0Eq3WKTHIO2xmg

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of the Mono Blue Dreadnought deck in Magic: The Gathering. They discuss its mechanics, strategies, and the importance of card interactions and tempo. The duo also analyzes various matchups, including Goblins and Burn, and explores the effectiveness of the pivot plan in different scenarios. The conversation highlights the significance of trample as a mechanic and the deck's adaptability in the current meta. In this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into advanced strategies for playing Dreadnought decks in various matchups. They discuss the importance of sideboarding, understanding opponent strategies, and the significance of key spells in determining the outcome of games. The conversation covers specific decks such as Replenish, Survival, Parallax Tide, Elves, Ponza, and Parfait, providing insights into how to navigate these matchups effectively. The discussion emphasizes the need for adaptability and strategic thinking in the ever-evolving landscape of Magic: The Gathering.Decklist: https://moxfield.com/decks/ZV3KzKrm0Eq3WKTHIO2xmg

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and Max Gilmore discuss the recent performances in Magic: The Gathering tournaments, focusing on the Vintage and Legacy formats. They explore the current state of these formats, the impact of specific cards like Luris and Reanimator, and the overall health of the game. The discussion also touches on strategies, deck choices, and the potential for future bans, providing insights into the evolving landscape of competitive Magic.TakeawaysMax Gilmore achieved notable success in both Vintage and Legacy formats.The Vintage format is currently considered the healthiest among constructed formats.Lurrus is a powerful card but comes with trade-offs in deck building.There are various flavors of Lurrus decks, each with unique strategies.Legacy is seeing a rise in Reanimator and other powerful decks.The health of the Legacy format is debated, with some cards being too dominant.Future bans could significantly impact the metagame in both formats.Players are encouraged to adapt their strategies based on the evolving meta.The conversation highlights the importance of testing and preparation for tournaments.Max emphasizes the need for balance in the formats to maintain player engagement.TitlesMastering Magic: Insights from the Eternal WeekendVintage vs. Legacy: A Competitive AnalysisSound bites"You're like one of the end bosses.""I don't know what's right to do.""I think that's a fair point."Chapters00:00 Introduction and Achievements02:33 Vintage Format Insights09:07 Legacy Reanimator Strategy13:04 Legacy Format Health Discussion22:45 Current State of Legacy and Future ProspectsJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and Max Gilmore discuss the recent performances in Magic: The Gathering tournaments, focusing on the Vintage and Legacy formats. They explore the current state of these formats, the impact of specific cards like Luris and Reanimator, and the overall health of the game. The discussion also touches on strategies, deck choices, and the potential for future bans, providing insights into the evolving landscape of competitive Magic.TakeawaysMax Gilmore achieved notable success in both Vintage and Legacy formats.The Vintage format is currently considered the healthiest among constructed formats.Lurrus is a powerful card but comes with trade-offs in deck building.There are various flavors of Lurrus decks, each with unique strategies.Legacy is seeing a rise in Reanimator and other powerful decks.The health of the Legacy format is debated, with some cards being too dominant.Future bans could significantly impact the metagame in both formats.Players are encouraged to adapt their strategies based on the evolving meta.The conversation highlights the importance of testing and preparation for tournaments.Max emphasizes the need for balance in the formats to maintain player engagement.TitlesMastering Magic: Insights from the Eternal WeekendVintage vs. Legacy: A Competitive AnalysisSound bites"You're like one of the end bosses.""I don't know what's right to do.""I think that's a fair point."Chapters00:00 Introduction and Achievements02:33 Vintage Format Insights09:07 Legacy Reanimator Strategy13:04 Legacy Format Health Discussion22:45 Current State of Legacy and Future ProspectsJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark interviews Jeremy Henry about his journey to become The North America Vintage Champion 2025. Jeremy shares his early love for the game, his strategies for various decks, and insights into the competitive scene. They discuss the evolution of Vintage decks, key matchups, and the importance of community and event organization. Jeremy reflects on his recent tournament win and the significance of the experience.TakeawaysJeremy's journey in Magic began at age 11 with a friend's older brother.Nostalgia plays a significant role in Jeremy's continued interest in Magic.Competitive formats like Legacy and Vintage have shaped Jeremy's play style.Deck strategies vary significantly between different matchups in tournaments.The importance of community and event organization is highlighted throughout the conversation.Winning the Vintage Championships was a significant achievement for Jeremy.Jeremy emphasizes the skill expression involved in playing different decks.The conversation touches on the evolution of Vintage decks over the years.Jeremy discusses the dynamics of playing against various Lurrus decks.The importance of having fun while playing Magic is a recurring theme. Chapters00:00 Jeremy Henry's Journey in Magic: The Gathering02:30 The Vintage Championships Experience05:17 Facing Off Against Top Competitors08:02 Matchup Dynamics and Strategies10:41 Meta Analysis and Deck Choices13:10 Personal Reflections and Tournament Experiences16:24 Deck Dynamics and Power Levels18:34 Matchup Strategies and Considerations20:46 Analyzing Opponent Decks23:35 Challenges Against Combo Decks26:09 Reflections on Tournament Experience28:22 Final Thoughts and Community AppreciationJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark interviews Jeremy Henry about his journey to become The North America Vintage Champion 2025. Jeremy shares his early love for the game, his strategies for various decks, and insights into the competitive scene. They discuss the evolution of Vintage decks, key matchups, and the importance of community and event organization. Jeremy reflects on his recent tournament win and the significance of the experience.TakeawaysJeremy's journey in Magic began at age 11 with a friend's older brother.Nostalgia plays a significant role in Jeremy's continued interest in Magic.Competitive formats like Legacy and Vintage have shaped Jeremy's play style.Deck strategies vary significantly between different matchups in tournaments.The importance of community and event organization is highlighted throughout the conversation.Winning the Vintage Championships was a significant achievement for Jeremy.Jeremy emphasizes the skill expression involved in playing different decks.The conversation touches on the evolution of Vintage decks over the years.Jeremy discusses the dynamics of playing against various Lurrus decks.The importance of having fun while playing Magic is a recurring theme. Chapters00:00 Jeremy Henry's Journey in Magic: The Gathering02:30 The Vintage Championships Experience05:17 Facing Off Against Top Competitors08:02 Matchup Dynamics and Strategies10:41 Meta Analysis and Deck Choices13:10 Personal Reflections and Tournament Experiences16:24 Deck Dynamics and Power Levels18:34 Matchup Strategies and Considerations20:46 Analyzing Opponent Decks23:35 Challenges Against Combo Decks26:09 Reflections on Tournament Experience28:22 Final Thoughts and Community AppreciationJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and Josh Fry discuss the Mono Blue Tide deck, exploring its strategies, key card interactions, and budget considerations. Joshua shares his impressive tournament record of 20-3, highlighting the deck's resilience and adaptability in various matchups. They delve into the importance of understanding the mana base, effective sideboarding, and the nuances of specific matchups like Stasis and Goblins. The discussion emphasizes the significance of card advantage and strategic play in the pre-modern format, providing valuable insights for players looking to master Mono Blue Tide. In this conversation, Zac Clark and Joshua discuss various strategies and sideboard plans for different matchups in Magic: The Gathering, focusing on the control deck archetype. They delve into specific cards, counterplay techniques, and the importance of adapting strategies based on the opponent's deck. The discussion covers key matchups such as Dreadnought, Replenish, Survival, Stasis, Landstill, Elves, Psychatog, and Reanimator, providing insights into effective gameplay and decision-making.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and Josh Fry discuss the Mono Blue Tide deck, exploring its strategies, key card interactions, and budget considerations. Joshua shares his impressive tournament record of 20-3, highlighting the deck's resilience and adaptability in various matchups. They delve into the importance of understanding the mana base, effective sideboarding, and the nuances of specific matchups like Stasis and Goblins. The discussion emphasizes the significance of card advantage and strategic play in the pre-modern format, providing valuable insights for players looking to master Mono Blue Tide. In this conversation, Zac Clark and Joshua discuss various strategies and sideboard plans for different matchups in Magic: The Gathering, focusing on the control deck archetype. They delve into specific cards, counterplay techniques, and the importance of adapting strategies based on the opponent's deck. The discussion covers key matchups such as Dreadnought, Replenish, Survival, Stasis, Landstill, Elves, Psychatog, and Reanimator, providing insights into effective gameplay and decision-making.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil reflect on their experiences at Eternal Weekend, discussing the successes and challenges of the event. The conversation also highlights memorable encounters with fans and fellow players, as well as suggestions for future events, particularly regarding pre-modern formats.TakeawaysEternal Weekend was a unique experience for attendees.Single elimination events should be replaced with Swiss-style formats.Pre-modern events should be given more prominence in future tournaments.Event organization was generally smooth but could improve in timing.Community engagement is vital for the success of events.Memorable encounters with fans enhance the experience of attending events.Feedback from attendees is crucial for future improvements.The importance of early event information cannot be overstated.Collecting unique cards can be a fun side hobby for players.Chapters00:00 Reflections on North American Eternal Weekend02:48 Event Structure and Suggestions for Improvement05:27 The Case Against Prize Walls08:20 The Rise of Pre-Modern11:11 Event Organization and Timing14:09 Community Engagement and Personal Connections20:41 Eternal Weekend Reflections23:21 Community Engagement and Content Creation29:23 Player Interactions and Memorable Moments35:45 Game Strategies and Match Highlights41:04 Closing Thoughts and Future PlansJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhilJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil reflect on their experiences at Eternal Weekend, discussing the successes and challenges of the event. The conversation also highlights memorable encounters with fans and fellow players, as well as suggestions for future events, particularly regarding pre-modern formats.TakeawaysEternal Weekend was a unique experience for attendees.Single elimination events should be replaced with Swiss-style formats.Pre-modern events should be given more prominence in future tournaments.Event organization was generally smooth but could improve in timing.Community engagement is vital for the success of events.Memorable encounters with fans enhance the experience of attending events.Feedback from attendees is crucial for future improvements.The importance of early event information cannot be overstated.Collecting unique cards can be a fun side hobby for players.Chapters00:00 Reflections on North American Eternal Weekend02:48 Event Structure and Suggestions for Improvement05:27 The Case Against Prize Walls08:20 The Rise of Pre-Modern11:11 Event Organization and Timing14:09 Community Engagement and Personal Connections20:41 Eternal Weekend Reflections23:21 Community Engagement and Content Creation29:23 Player Interactions and Memorable Moments35:45 Game Strategies and Match Highlights41:04 Closing Thoughts and Future PlansJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhilJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the concept of 'Dark Night' moments in the Magic: The Gathering community, exploring personal experiences and reflections on their journeys through the game. They discuss the impact of competitive play, community dynamics, and the evolution of Magic, particularly in light of recent changes and the pandemic's effects on the game. The dialogue highlights the emotional and psychological aspects of being a player, including the challenges faced and the resilience required to continue engaging with the game they love.TakeawaysEvery Magic player experiences a 'Dark Night' moment.Taking breaks can rejuvenate one's passion for the game.Community support is crucial during tough times in gaming.The evolution of Magic has led to faster 'Dark Night' moments.Personal experiences shape how players interact with the game.The pandemic significantly impacted competitive play and community engagement.New formats like Pioneer offer fresh opportunities for players.The Pro Tour dream can feel unattainable for many players.Players often face identity crises within the game.The future of Magic may depend on community feedback and engagement.Chapters00:00 The Dark Night Concept in Magic02:33 Personal Dark Night Moments05:16 Zac's Magic Journey10:58 Phil's Magic Journey16:18 Community and Content Creation Challenges19:36 The Evolution of the Podcast Team20:50 Personal Dark Nights in Magic22:49 The Impact of the Pandemic on Gameplay25:31 Transitioning Through Formats: Modern to Pioneer28:21 The Decline of Competitive Play30:16 The Dark Night Moments of Change32:02 The Future of Magic: Universes Beyond and Community FeedbackJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the concept of 'Dark Night' moments in the Magic: The Gathering community, exploring personal experiences and reflections on their journeys through the game. They discuss the impact of competitive play, community dynamics, and the evolution of Magic, particularly in light of recent changes and the pandemic's effects on the game. The dialogue highlights the emotional and psychological aspects of being a player, including the challenges faced and the resilience required to continue engaging with the game they love.TakeawaysEvery Magic player experiences a 'Dark Night' moment.Taking breaks can rejuvenate one's passion for the game.Community support is crucial during tough times in gaming.The evolution of Magic has led to faster 'Dark Night' moments.Personal experiences shape how players interact with the game.The pandemic significantly impacted competitive play and community engagement.New formats like Pioneer offer fresh opportunities for players.The Pro Tour dream can feel unattainable for many players.Players often face identity crises within the game.The future of Magic may depend on community feedback and engagement.Chapters00:00 The Dark Night Concept in Magic02:33 Personal Dark Night Moments05:16 Zac's Magic Journey10:58 Phil's Magic Journey16:18 Community and Content Creation Challenges19:36 The Evolution of the Podcast Team20:50 Personal Dark Nights in Magic22:49 The Impact of the Pandemic on Gameplay25:31 Transitioning Through Formats: Modern to Pioneer28:21 The Decline of Competitive Play30:16 The Dark Night Moments of Change32:02 The Future of Magic: Universes Beyond and Community FeedbackJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac and Phil discuss their experiences on the Eve of Eternal Weekend 2025, sharing insights on their tournament performances, the evolving metagame, and the importance of community engagement in deck building. They reflect on personal strategies, the challenges of the current format, and the potential for future changes and bans that could revitalize the game.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac and Phil discuss their experiences on the Eve of Eternal Weekend 2025, sharing insights on their tournament performances, the evolving metagame, and the importance of community engagement in deck building. They reflect on personal strategies, the challenges of the current format, and the potential for future changes and bans that could revitalize the game.

In this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the complexities of card game design, particularly focusing on the implementation of point systems and their implications for game balance. They discuss the challenges faced by competitive formats like Legacy, the importance of proper curation, and the role of ban lists in maintaining player engagement. The dialogue highlights the need for game designers to take decisive action to improve formats and enhance player experience, while also reflecting on the community's relationship with the game and its evolving dynamics.

In this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the complexities of card game design, particularly focusing on the implementation of point systems and their implications for game balance. They discuss the challenges faced by competitive formats like Legacy, the importance of proper curation, and the role of ban lists in maintaining player engagement. The dialogue highlights the need for game designers to take decisive action to improve formats and enhance player experience, while also reflecting on the community's relationship with the game and its evolving dynamics.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnZac Clark and ForceofPhil discuss their excitement and strategies for the upcoming Eternal Weekend, emphasizing the importance of mindset, preparation, and the community aspect of Magic: The Gathering. They explore various deck strategies, the significance of emotional support cards, and reflect on the history of Magic while considering the current state of the game. The conversation highlights the balance between competitive play and enjoyment, as well as the evolving nature of deck building in Legacy and Pre-Modern formats.TakeawaysEternal Weekend brings excitement and anticipation.Having a no-drop mentality can enhance the experience.Records don't define a player's skill or worth.Preparation and practice are key to success.Emotional support cards can provide comfort during competition.Innovative deck ideas can surprise opponents.Testing is crucial for understanding the current meta.Magic's history influences current gameplay and strategies.Package decks are becoming more prevalent in Legacy.Community and camaraderie are essential aspects of the game.Sound bites"Eternal Weekend is upon us!""I want to make day two for sure!""I need a slabbed Miracle Worker!"Chapters00:00 Eternal Weekend Anticipation02:38 Mentality and Ethos for Competition05:37 Deck Strategies and Preparation08:26 The Importance of Mental Upkeep11:19 Exploring Unique Deck Choices14:09 Reflections on Legacy and Pre-Modern17:01 Expectations and Strategies for Eternal Weekend19:37 Community Engagement and Final ThoughtsJOIN US ON DISCORD: https://discord.gg/hrC7PxQZTEProudly supported by Three For One Trading: shop.threeforonetrading.comCardmillhttps://cardmill.com/EternalDurdlesMOXFIELDEternal Durdles Moxfield: https://www.moxfield.com/users/EternalDurdleshttps://www.moxfield.com/users/Durdlemagushttps://www.moxfield.com/users/ForceofPhil

SummaryIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil discuss their excitement and strategies for the upcoming Eternal Weekend, emphasizing the importance of mindset, preparation, and the community aspect of Magic: The Gathering. They explore various deck strategies, the significance of emotional support cards, and reflect on the history of Magic while considering the current state of the game. The conversation highlights the balance between competitive play and enjoyment, as well as the evolving nature of deck building in Legacy and Pre-Modern formats.TakeawaysEternal Weekend brings excitement and anticipation.Having a no-drop mentality can enhance the experience.Records don't define a player's skill or worth.Preparation and practice are key to success.Emotional support cards can provide comfort during competition.Innovative deck ideas can surprise opponents.Testing is crucial for understanding the current meta.Magic's history influences current gameplay and strategies.Package decks are becoming more prevalent in Legacy.Community and camaraderie are essential aspects of the game.Sound bites"Eternal Weekend is upon us!""I want to make day two for sure!""I need a slabbed Miracle Worker!"Chapters00:00 Eternal Weekend Anticipation02:38 Mentality and Ethos for Competition05:37 Deck Strategies and Preparation08:26 The Importance of Mental Upkeep11:19 Exploring Unique Deck Choices14:09 Reflections on Legacy and Pre-Modern17:01 Expectations and Strategies for Eternal Weekend19:37 Community Engagement and Final Thoughts

SummaryIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of the Stasis deck in pre-modern Magic: The Gathering. They discuss the mechanics of Stasis, card choices, and the importance of timing and counter magic in gameplay. The conversation also covers strategies for sideboarding and adapting to various matchups, as well as exploring alternative win conditions. The hosts emphasize the flexibility of the deck and the need for a deep understanding of its mechanics to maximize its potential. In this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of various Magic: The Gathering matchups, focusing on the Stasis deck and its interactions with other strategies. They discuss the importance of countering key cards, the nuances of specific matchups, and the strategic decisions that can lead to victory. The conversation highlights the significance of understanding the mechanics of Stasis, the role of specific cards in different matchups, and the overall approach to deck building in competitive play.

SummaryIn this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of the Stasis deck in pre-modern Magic: The Gathering. They discuss the mechanics of Stasis, card choices, and the importance of timing and counter magic in gameplay. The conversation also covers strategies for sideboarding and adapting to various matchups, as well as exploring alternative win conditions. The hosts emphasize the flexibility of the deck and the need for a deep understanding of its mechanics to maximize its potential. In this conversation, Zac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the intricacies of various Magic: The Gathering matchups, focusing on the Stasis deck and its interactions with other strategies. They discuss the importance of countering key cards, the nuances of specific matchups, and the strategic decisions that can lead to victory. The conversation highlights the significance of understanding the mechanics of Stasis, the role of specific cards in different matchups, and the overall approach to deck building in competitive play.

Sahar's Links: https://linktr.ee/saharmirhadihttps://bsky.app/profile/saharmirhadi.bsky.socialThis week on Eternal Durdles, Zac Clark and returning guest Sahar Mirhadi take on the biggest question in Magic: the Gathering right now — do Universes Beyond crossovers actually belong in Magic?From Lord of the Rings and Warhammer (slam dunks) to The Walking Dead, Marvel, Sonic, and even Tomb Raider, we run down EVERY IP that's made its way into MTG and ask three key questions:* Is it *Magic*?* Does it *belong* in Magic?* Are we actually *fans* of it?Along the way we talk power creep (Orcish Bowmasters, The One Ring), reskins vs. unique cards, what competitive players can't opt out of, and why “let people like things” isn't always the whole story.If you've ever looked at a Universes Beyond spoiler and thought “this doesn't feel like Magic,” this is the episode for you.

Sahar's Links: https://linktr.ee/saharmirhadihttps://bsky.app/profile/saharmirhadi.bsky.socialThis week on Eternal Durdles, Zac Clark and returning guest Sahar Mirhadi take on the biggest question in Magic: the Gathering right now — do Universes Beyond crossovers actually belong in Magic?From Lord of the Rings and Warhammer (slam dunks) to The Walking Dead, Marvel, Sonic, and even Tomb Raider, we run down EVERY IP that's made its way into MTG and ask three key questions:* Is it *Magic*?* Does it *belong* in Magic?* Are we actually *fans* of it?Along the way we talk power creep (Orcish Bowmasters, The One Ring), reskins vs. unique cards, what competitive players can't opt out of, and why “let people like things” isn't always the whole story.If you've ever looked at a Universes Beyond spoiler and thought “this doesn't feel like Magic,” this is the episode for you.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnJoin Zac Clark and ForceofPhil as they dive into the intricacies of SWB's Parfait deck, a standout in the pre-modern Magic: The Gathering scene. Discover how this deck leverages Gush, Mox Diamond, and Oath of Druids to create a unique control strategy. Learn about the deck's evolution, its strengths against various matchups, and the clever card choices that make it a formidable contender. Whether you're a seasoned player or new to the format, this episode offers valuable insights into deck building and gameplay strategies. Don't forget to check out our affiliate link in the first comment for your card purchases!

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesTCGPLAYER AFFILIATE LINK:https://partner.tcgplayer.com/OexAAnJoin Zac Clark and ForceofPhil as they dive into the intricacies of SWB's Parfait deck, a standout in the pre-modern Magic: The Gathering scene. Discover how this deck leverages Gush, Mox Diamond, and Oath of Druids to create a unique control strategy. Learn about the deck's evolution, its strengths against various matchups, and the clever card choices that make it a formidable contender. Whether you're a seasoned player or new to the format, this episode offers valuable insights into deck building and gameplay strategies. Don't forget to check out our affiliate link in the first comment for your card purchases!

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Zac and Phil dive into the world of **budget-friendly Premodern decks** that can actually compete at the top tables. They break down why some expensive staples like **Mox Diamond, Gaea's Cradle, Survival of the Fittest, and Phyrexian Dreadnought** push decks out of budget range, then showcase powerful alternatives you can build for under $400.Decks discussed include:* **Stasis** – a $150 control lock deck that still punishes unprepared opponents.* **Toginator (UB Psychatog/Reanimator)** – resilient, customizable, and surprisingly cheap.* **Landstill** – a control staple with Mishra's Factories and Standstill value engines.* **Goblins** – explosive tribal aggression for under $200.* **Chance Control** – a spicy coin-flip combo deck with Frenetic Efreet and Chance Encounter.* **Burn** – fast, reliable, and always a metagame presence.* **Mono-Blue Tide** – a $250 powerhouse that's proven it can win big events.Along the way, they share insights on **card choices, metagame calls, sideboard tweaks, and personal stories**—including how one player literally *died at dinner and still top 8'd* with Mono-Blue Tide.Whether you're new to Premodern or looking for competitive decks that won't break the bank, this episode is packed with strategies, laughs, and a little bit of Eternal Durdles chaos.

Zac and Phil dive into the world of **budget-friendly Premodern decks** that can actually compete at the top tables. They break down why some expensive staples like **Mox Diamond, Gaea's Cradle, Survival of the Fittest, and Phyrexian Dreadnought** push decks out of budget range, then showcase powerful alternatives you can build for under $400.Decks discussed include:* **Stasis** – a $150 control lock deck that still punishes unprepared opponents.* **Toginator (UB Psychatog/Reanimator)** – resilient, customizable, and surprisingly cheap.* **Landstill** – a control staple with Mishra's Factories and Standstill value engines.* **Goblins** – explosive tribal aggression for under $200.* **Chance Control** – a spicy coin-flip combo deck with Frenetic Efreet and Chance Encounter.* **Burn** – fast, reliable, and always a metagame presence.* **Mono-Blue Tide** – a $250 powerhouse that's proven it can win big events.Along the way, they share insights on **card choices, metagame calls, sideboard tweaks, and personal stories**—including how one player literally *died at dinner and still top 8'd* with Mono-Blue Tide.Whether you're new to Premodern or looking for competitive decks that won't break the bank, this episode is packed with strategies, laughs, and a little bit of Eternal Durdles chaos.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesZac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the myths surrounding the Legacy format of Magic the Gathering. They discuss common misconceptions about the cost of entry, gameplay dynamics, and the perception of Legacy as a dying format. The hosts emphasize the welcoming nature of the Legacy community and the opportunities for new players to engage with the format. They also explore whether Legacy is a solved format and how it continues to evolve over time, highlighting the diversity of gameplay and the importance of community support.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesZac Clark and ForceofPhil delve into the myths surrounding the Legacy format of Magic the Gathering. They discuss common misconceptions about the cost of entry, gameplay dynamics, and the perception of Legacy as a dying format. The hosts emphasize the welcoming nature of the Legacy community and the opportunities for new players to engage with the format. They also explore whether Legacy is a solved format and how it continues to evolve over time, highlighting the diversity of gameplay and the importance of community support.

This week on Eternal Durdles, Zac and Force of Phil tackle the biggest misconceptions about Legacy Magic: the Gathering — the ones you always hear from players outside the format.Is Legacy just a coin-flip combo format? Is it too expensive to ever get into? Do the same decks dominate forever? We break down each myth, explain where the truth actually lies, and show why Legacy is one of the most fun, skill-testing formats Magic has to offer.Topics include:* Why “turn-1 kill” decks don't define the format* The real story behind Legacy's cost (and why it's not as bad as you think)* How the metagame shifts more than outsiders realize* Why Reanimator, Delver, and combo decks aren't the whole pictureIf you've ever heard “Legacy is unplayable” — or said it yourself — this episode is here to set the record straight.Featuring: Force of PhilHosted by: Zac Clark | Eternal Durdles

This week on Eternal Durdles, Zac and Force of Phil tackle the biggest misconceptions about Legacy Magic: the Gathering — the ones you always hear from players outside the format.Is Legacy just a coin-flip combo format? Is it too expensive to ever get into? Do the same decks dominate forever? We break down each myth, explain where the truth actually lies, and show why Legacy is one of the most fun, skill-testing formats Magic has to offer.Topics include:* Why “turn-1 kill” decks don't define the format* The real story behind Legacy's cost (and why it's not as bad as you think)* How the metagame shifts more than outsiders realize* Why Reanimator, Delver, and combo decks aren't the whole pictureIf you've ever heard “Legacy is unplayable” — or said it yourself — this episode is here to set the record straight.Featuring: Force of PhilHosted by: Zac Clark | Eternal Durdles

Sahar Mirhadi and ForceofPhil explore the fascinating intersection of wrestling and Magic: The Gathering, discussing community dynamics, the need for a Legacy panel, and the importance of data transparency in understanding ban list decisions. They delve into the evolution of the Legacy format, the role of reanimator decks, and the significance of player experience in shaping gameplay. The discussion also touches on corporate decision-making within Wizards of the Coast and the future of Legacy as a format. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of the Reanimator archetype in Legacy, discussing the implications of recent band lists and the role of data in shaping the format. They explore the challenges of maintaining a balanced environment while addressing community concerns and expectations for upcoming tournaments. The discussion highlights the need for clear communication from Wizards of the Coast regarding the direction of Legacy and the importance of community engagement in shaping the future of the format.

Sahar Mirhadi and ForceofPhil explore the fascinating intersection of wrestling and Magic: The Gathering, discussing community dynamics, the need for a Legacy panel, and the importance of data transparency in understanding ban list decisions. They delve into the evolution of the Legacy format, the role of reanimator decks, and the significance of player experience in shaping gameplay. The discussion also touches on corporate decision-making within Wizards of the Coast and the future of Legacy as a format. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of the Reanimator archetype in Legacy, discussing the implications of recent band lists and the role of data in shaping the format. They explore the challenges of maintaining a balanced environment while addressing community concerns and expectations for upcoming tournaments. The discussion highlights the need for clear communication from Wizards of the Coast regarding the direction of Legacy and the importance of community engagement in shaping the future of the format.

Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/EternalDurdlesZac and Phil discuss the current state of Force of Will in the Legacy format of Magic: The Gathering, arguing that it may be at its weakest point due to the prevalence of combo decks. They analyze the meta, exploring the dominance of combo strategies and the challenges faced by control and midrange decks. The discussion shifts to the need for better card design and alternative strategies to counter the current threats in the game, emphasizing the importance of proactive play and the limitations of traditional counterspells.

Zac and Phil discuss the current state of Force of Will in the Legacy format of Magic: The Gathering, arguing that it may be at its weakest point due to the prevalence of combo decks. They analyze the meta, exploring the dominance of combo strategies and the challenges faced by control and midrange decks. The discussion shifts to the need for better card design and alternative strategies to counter the current threats in the game, emphasizing the importance of proactive play and the limitations of traditional counterspells.